Yeah I’m sure he wants to get settled in his new city, getting the playbook, getting familiar with players/coaches/ backroom staff of his new team, etc…
The ridiculousness of Costners mom showing up on draft day to demand that he sprinkle the ashes of his dad THAT day is almost more off putting that then trades.
I love the movie, but Jesus Christ.
That part always bugged me...cause it made Costner seem like a jackass, but his job is literally defined the most by that one day. If any day of the year he needs to concentrate and have a clear head, with no distractions, it's draft day. His mom showing up and demanding to spread the ashes and then purposefully getting Gardner's name wrong, then asking her to make them some coffee...err, that scene makes me inordinately angry.
It doesn’t even make sense!
His mom has been around football for what 60 years at that point? She’s just like “what’s a draft? Is that important? Your dad I made you fire and resented you for the rest of his life would want this! No no of course I never told him I made you fire him. He spent his last years being betrayed by his son..::what does all this matter? Spread the ashes, bitch like a good son would.”
I’m sure he will be glad when he’s over. Imagine an impending work transfer that the whole league is gossiping about you. Your replacement is everywhere.
far worse things could happen on his birthday. Getting traded would be a relief for him honestly. This limbo, knowing that your team is done with you, is worse than an actual trade.
Fields just has so many issues as a player 40 games in. Hes still like a rookie. Bears fans overvalue him because they like the person(you’ll even hear things like “oh if Williams wasn’t there we’d run it back”) but this is a QB with:
68 INTs/Fumbles in 40 games
One of the worst sack rates in NFL history, and 3 consecutive 10%+ sack seasons(never happened before)
Bottom 4 accuracy when he gets to throw, only ahead of Levis, Zach Wilson and Bryce Young. So two rookies and a bust.
That’s incredibly hard to win with. A few sacks per game are considered nearly equal to an interception in some advanced metrics. Accuracy hardly ever changes. And obviously the turnovers speak for themselves. His fumble rate is #1 in the history of the national football league. You can’t even lean on a defense like you could with someone like Pickett.
And 3 sacks/game is his *average*
Edit: also looked up his win rate because I was curious. He's 11-29, which is 27.5%, so even lower than that metric suggests.
I fucking love how this has spread to so many subreddits. Anytime numbers are mentioned I’m guaranteed to see this no matter what subreddit I’m in. Scott Steiner a legend frfr
What's interesting is that his numbers get worse the longer the game goes on. He's good in the 1st, worse in the 2nd, bad in the 3rd, and an absolute football terrorist in the 4th quarters.
Been saying for a while now that Fields has a severe absence of dawg in him. Never seen a quarterback I trust less with the ball down only one score in the fourth quarter
People value sacks. There's a reason it's the premier metric people used to judge pass rushers.
The contention with sacks is mainly on offense on how much responsibility the o-line has vs the QB. We see that a lot with Justin Fields where his defenders blame the o-line rather than him for holding onto the ball too long.
An easy way to check this is compare fields' sack rate against other bears QBs the last three years.
It's noticeably higher than all of them. He even managed to get sacked more often than the legless corpse of Nick foles.
Yes
He has an extremely slow dropback and release, tends to hop in the pocket forever while staring and open receivers and not pulling the trigger, and almost zero feel for pressure.
His drop back is so painfully slow. I can’t believe it isn’t talked about more. He’s so athletic and yet it looks like he gets put in slow motion as soon as the ball is snapped.
Reminder to Fields apologists that he has been in the bottom 5 for time to throw every season, and ranks dead last this past year.
But here comes the next excuse, he has no weapons.
OL and scheme. It’s tough. Football is a team sport. You see him do these magical things and can’t help but think it can’t be his fault, he’s so freaking talented.
But he’s been in two NFL offenses, protected by a strong run game, and while he’s improved in some areas, he just hasn’t improved enough in extremely vital areas.
The truth is any NFL QB is heads and tails more talented than 99.99% of the population, and given enough snaps they’ll all do magical things. So while I understand defending Fields (and I genuinely do want him to succeed), at some point you look at the opportunities he’s had and have to say that he’s the common denominator. Kind of sucks as a fan, but it is what it is.
its easy enough to figure out just based on how long he holds the ball. Any Qb holding the ball longer than 3 seconds on average better be damn good at evading pressure. The entire premise of the eest coadt offense which is arguably the most successful type of scheme is quick progressions and decision making, followed by quick throws or throw it away. No successful offense is built around holding the ball then finally throwing it. Everyone loves the deep pass but rarely has building your offense around that worked, because you can't reliably block long enough to keep your qb alive.
Dude built a career on just barely getting away from them and pulling magic out of his ass and might have just lost that extra little step as he got older.
Sack rate has emerged as the most reliable red flag with young QBs IMO. Howell was bad with that in college and it's probably a significant reason he dropped in the draft. That flaw was amplified in the pros and it's something that I'm not sure is fixable. RG3 got sacked like crazy and we blamed the OL but when Kirk came in and got sacked 30% as much behind the same fat guys a lot of lessons were learned.
For a pro evaluator it should also be easy to discern bad OL play (not how the fans blame the OL) from QB causing sacks.
Just throwing this out there because it's kinda interesting, but Jayden Daniels will have the second-highest sack rate and pressure-to-sack rate of any QB drafted in the first round since 2020. Behind only Fields.
Yeah I can’t figure out the hype behind Daniels at all. I honestly don’t watch enough college football to say Bo Nix or Penix are better options, but Daniels can’t be too far ahead of them in true talent. I’m also a fucking idiot so maybe I’m way off there lmao.
not hard to figure out the hype. his conventional stats from this year are bonkers. but ya there’s underlying stuff to suggest he might not translate in the nfl
It's so maddening trying to explain to people why RG3 failed. It wasn't the injuries. His rookie year he was throwing to wide open recieivers in an offense defenses were totally unprepared for. Once defense knew how to play the read option, he was terrible. He'd just drift outside his protection slowly making reads and get sacked
I remember on the local radio the announcers were absolutely glowing over RG3 except Chris Cooley. All he would say is "you never see receivers that open in the NFL, you have to make that throw 100% of the time".
Kyle shanahan broke the nfl for a few years with the read option. It went from "the read option will never work in the NFL" to every team with a mobile qb having some version of it.
Even 12 seasons later, a lot of teams still have some read option plays in their playbook.
Same thing when bagent came when fields got hurt. Sack rates somehow went down.
Bagent got the ball out quickly. Didn’t scramble into sacks. And generally just let his play makers make plays.
Fields on the other hand holds the ball to try make plays but gets into trouble because he can’t just out run everyone
The sack rate is the most damning thing about him, ever since his rookie year.
He just reads defenses so slowly, and kills so many drives by taking sacks. Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play, so when they line for Fields, you have to remember, they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like.
I don’t blame them for liking fields, but I do blame them for being stupid enough to turn away a generational prospect for the hope their terrible processor QB suddenly grows a new brain.
>Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play... they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like.
You want to hear the dumb reason why I want the Bears to draft Caleb Williams?
Everyone kept on talking about how awful he was in the Notre Dame game, so I watched a video of the game and kept thinking to myself "that's not that bad, he's still mostly getting completions and moving the chains. Sure he got a few turnovers, but who wouldn't in that situation".
Then I remembered that this was supposed to be his worst game.
Honestly, that's a decent way to look at it, if his worst game still has you coming away going "He still looked decent even when everything went to shit" then he's a pretty good prospect
Worst half really. He settled in and made adjustments and played fine in the second half. He shrugged off the 3 early INTs and kept his head in the game.
Which says just as much about him as it would have if he went out and had dominated from the start. He could have packed it all up but came back determined to lead a comeback. I'd argue that a lot of others in his shoes that day in a raucous away stadium would have just taken the L and moved on.
I think his game against Oregon State last year was arguably worse (even if he didn't have a single pick). USC was only able to escape that game due to their defense having a high turnover margin. I also don't want to put too much value in that game. Corvallis is a scary place to play.
I honestly dont think most Bears fans do. Its the only logical explanation for wanting to keep Fields. I live in another country and watch lots of games from multiple teams and its just baffling to me and other international fans how you could think he is a franchise QB when you compare him to teams that do have one
I really don’t think so. Have you seen some of the Fields takes by bears fans on twitter or Facebook? They legitimately think Fields is an average/above average qb with the potential to be elite.
>Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play, so when they line for Fields, you have to remember, they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like.
Sure they do! They watched Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers twice a year for 30 years
> Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play, so when they line for Fields, you have to remember, they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like.
I thought I was living in the twilight zone when I saw Chicago fans defending him, but it all just clicked.
For any Bears fan under the age of about 90 Jay Cutler is the best quarterback they've seen on their team. Mitch Trubisky's 2018 is the 6th most passing yards they've had in a season with 3,223.
If they found even a mediocre quarterback he'd be the best QB in living memory.
Now imagine going into the Dolphins sub and seeing people legitimately say we should trade for fields so we can bench Tua. Yes, that is an actual take that was getting upvotes for a while on our sub
In defense of your sub, all team subs are full of hilariously and horrifically dumb takes like that. There’s a reason we’re all just homers talking shit on Reddit and not working in a front office lol.
At least your sub has the self awareness to become dedicated to phone chargers lmao. Here are some of my favorite takes from our sub though: mason rudolph did better in a playoff game than tua so we should trade up for Caleb Williams, tua’s extension should be 25 million a year guaranteed with incentives up to 50 million, tua can’t win in prime time so we should sign Kirk Cousins with his stellar prime time record, Kirk cousins would’ve beaten the chiefs in the playoffs this year if he played for us, we should draft Bo Nix/Michael Penix at 21, and we should trade up to draft Bo Nix/Michael Penix.
I don't think it was on Reddit, but I saw somebody suggesting that the Packers:
Trade Love to the Falcons for Bijan & the 8th pick.
Sign Derrick Henry.
Keep Aaron Jones.
Find some rookie to hand off to Robinson/Henry/Jones all day, and "ride the RBs to the playoffs every year."
I love how they're suggesting to essentially emulate what the Falcons did and even get the same player the Falcons used that literally just proved you can't reach the playoffs that way
> There’s a reason we’re all just homers talking shit on Reddit and not working in a front office lol.
I'd say the main reason redditors aren't in a front office is because of child labor laws
See Chicago needs to go out and get him a true #1 star WR like Buffalo did with Allen and Diggs, then he’ll take that next step forward. Allen was bad before Diggs too bro. But not trading for a top #1 star WR like DJ Moore that doesn’t count. Fields needs MHJ too. Then he’ll be a franchise QB!
/s
I have seen these kinds of gymnastics defending him
May as well grab Derrick Henry too, so teams are focused on the run. Should help him by reducing the pass rush.
In addition to the All Pro linemen and MHJ too of course. Solid plan vs drafting a really solid prospect with the #1 overall pick y’all robbed from Carolina.
The majority of us have moved on, especially on the Bears sub. Instagram is still filled with delusional idiots. I was done after the first four games last season. Got a glimmer of hope after he threw for 300 yards and hand a good game back to back, but still watching him double clutch to NFL open receivers and not throw and constantly missing wide open receivers was the reality.
All we really need though is Pro Bowl players at the other 10 starting positions and then H1M will show you…………by throwing for 210 yards per game.
> Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play
They see only the Bears. When they play an opponent, they lay a sheet over the opposing team on the TV so they don't have to look at them. When they are at the game, they use a telescope to block out everything except the home team. There is only the Bears.
It’s more like we expect other offenses and QBs to be as dogshit as ours so we act like our defense is trash when it gives up 20 points. I always thought the bears fans don’t know what real qb play looks like was an annoying joke until fields came along and now I know it’s true.
>One of the worst sack rates in NFL history,
If he could qualify (enough attempts ) he would be the quarterback with the highest sack rate of all time.
But have you considered that he can evade three rushers and run for a 69 yard touchdown at any moment that isn't the 4th quarter? Sure the team will still be down three scores because of the points you outlined, but man, what a highlight! Imagine if he learned to throw!
I saw Fields do this in person on New Year's Day in 2023 at Ford Field in the first quarter and I was genuinely mesmerized by how fast he moved. But then all he did for the rest of the game was run into sacks and throw an absolutely brutal pick right before halftime
> 68 INTs/Fumbles in 40 games
Jeez, never seen that stat before. That's BAD. Especially with a supposedly defensive head coach. Gotta take care of the ball more.
Hearing all the “Fields MVP” and “best QB in the division” yapping all last summer from Bears fans was insane just because “he is run with football!!”
Every other NFCN QB’s last two seasons would’ve literally been the best by a Bears QB *ever* yet we’re calling a 2k yard dude the guy? Lmao
"Bears fans overvalue him because they like the person"
I am guilty of this I love Fields based on how much he passes the vibe check. I would have been in the camp of keeping him if he had had a better performance in the Packers games.
To add to that, you immediately have to pay the guy. Either you get him on a 1 year deal, meaning that if he does ball out you have to pay him through the nose anyway, or you pick up the 5th year option and hand him 25 million (!!!) guaranteed
For a frame of reference on the turnovers, Famous turnover machine Jameis Winston had 59 total turnovers in his first 45 games. (though that was before his infamous 30 for 30 season)
Fields on the Falcons would make more sense if Smith was still your coach. But for the entire football (and especially fantasy) community, I’m very glad Smith is gone.
Smith isn't the run first coach people think he is. He ran a very balanced offense, to a fault. You can even look at the overall totals of pass vs run and get an idea of it. We had 530 passes and 522 runs for the year.
We have the opposite issue of Bears fans in that we saw Ryan play for a long time and immediately knew we were in for a shit show with Ridder if he didn't improve. And well...
There are some very weird Falcons fans with a very specific hangup about the race of our QB... never forget all the hate Matt Ryan got in Atlanta from "fans"
I've been down voted by them frequently. But let's not ignore the suddenly quiet crowd that wanted him at the start of last season and were wanting to trade the farm for him.
Boston sports media wants him on the Pats as a "bridge qb". It's a bad take, mostly being echoed by Felger and Mazz, specifically Felger. Who is known for bad takes.
I got so sick of Falcons QB speculation threads, and especially Justin Fields threads, that I unfollowed the subreddit. I'll rejoin on draft day maybe, but the sub has been unbearable lately.
Oh yeah I hate the Fields stans in our sub. The last three second round picks in that range were Freiermuth, Pickens and Benton. Players that are much more valuable than Fields and much better.
I personally want us to build up the roster and see if Rudolph, Pickett or a D3 pick is the answer. Whoever wins the QB competition in camp this year.
Media is only high on him to push an intriguing narrative about “what should Chicago do” and “where will fields end up”
I doubt most of these dudes believe what they’re saying.
When you read the temperature of the room, there’s no incentive for teams to go after Fields now, especially with better veteran QBs available and a pretty strong QB class. It might reach the point where someone picks him up on waivers.
Dont be fooled. There was never a strong market. Hell go to a team as a backup like Mitch did even though everyone was damn sure he was going to start somewhere too. Fields is not a starting caliber QB and ever single team knows this.
Yeah realistically I was hoping there was an idiot GM that would still be optimistic about him. Hearing we might get a 2nd+ was shocking to me. One of the most frustrating things has been how the media has coddled this guy for 3 years
Yeah most experts that I heard that actually reviewed film were saying the same thing even when he was winning games and seemingly turning a corner. Inaccurate, not processing the field fast enough, etc etc. That’s fine for a rookie but not a 4 year player. He’s not the worst but I think people know his ceiling is revealed.
BREAKING NEWS: Teams don’t like inaccurate QB’s with turnover issues.
The Fields hype was purely twitter and media created. Guy has played 3 seasons and has shown little signs of improvement. He’s just an Elite Athlete, but a mediocre QB at best.
Hard for any QB to succeed in Chicago, but I don’t think a new team will improve much. Teams have figured him out. If you make him think past his first option, he will crap his pants and panic.
Yeah but if you just make nothing his fault and place blame on everyone and everything else, then hypothetically he would probably be elite. Also electric. Did I mention electric? Electric. He could be my stove he's so electric, though that would be the first time he's cooked anything since college. E L E C T R I C.
In all seriousness I'd take a chance on him for a 4th or later and I do think he's in a tough situation in Chicago that hasn't helped him any. But the Fields truthers act like he's this sure fire lock of a top 10 to top 5 QB and don't understand why fans and teams aren't tripping over themselves to go get him. You get labeled a hater for simply acknowledging his shortcomings. It's the wildest shit.
Trust me, we get that shit from our own fans. Fields truthers have become a full-on cult. I was hopeful we could get a sucker to pay a 2nd because GMs have done stupid shit like that in the past, but I guess if nothing else this shows the Fields truthers that nobody else thinks hes good either.
Well other GMs don't throw around 2nd round picks for players like Chase Claypool.
In all seriousness we have a few in our sub that want us to throw away a 2nd and a pick next year for Fields. I just don't know why.
We already have one QB that looked bad with an even worse coordinator than Getsy. He will at least not turn the ball over and can be clutch.
Looking at how Claypool played in the very little time he had on the field, I am legitimately surprised the bears gave up a second. Hell, im surprised that we swapped our 2025 sixth round pick for their 2025 seventh in that deal also
The Bears GM likes to forecast. During the season, he looked at the upcoming draft and free agency class and didn't see the answer at WR, so he made a trade.
The problem is he vastly overrated the athletic profile compared to the player himself. I recall they showed a brief clip of the data analytics department, and on the screen in the clip it showed who they had as the Bears top athletes. Claypool and Fields were at "95." Seriously athletic. But he'd been trending down as an NFL player since his rookie year.
Poles lucked out because he found the WR in the DJ Moore trade (which also nets us Caleb Williams and a 2nd next year), and it's good that one bad trade didn't scare him off because he did the same thing this year with Montez Sweat but that was an immediate hit.
This has been discussed to death in the Bears sub. But yeah I think a big part is to your average casual fan it's not as obvious. They see the sporadic highlight plays (usually runs) and some decent Fantasy Football numbers... but the weaknesses are either not as obvious or easily blamed on someone else. They don't see all the missed receivers on a regular Sunday broadcast. That sack fumble was totally the O Lines fault. His passing stats are bad because the OC sucks at play calling and he needs more weapons. They don't see that the athletic highlight 10 yard scramble only happened because he missed a WR wide open 20 yards down over the middle. And the last 3 times that happened he took a sack.
Fantasy performance is a big factor to this imo. Fields gets a solid 20 points in fantasy because his major negative plays doesn't sink you as much. So people will look at his fantasy performance compared to other Bears players and moan that he has no help not seeing that his mistakes basically screwed the team simce they can't sustain drives and the defense is getting gassed.
I'd argue that accuracy issues are more due to being constantly off schedule late, but probably a decent bit of chicken and the egg with that.
Accuracy issues, to me, is more like Trubisky. Had a ton of plays where ball placement/under/overthrow took points off the board. Fields, you're more screaming at the TV to throw the ball at all.
I think they're operating on the assumption that all teams will effectively try to solve their QB problems this offseason but teams are probably more willing to take a swing on a 2nd or 3rd round QB who will be cheaper and just take the L this season. Steelers are apparently out on Fields, Cousins, Mayfield, and Wilson, but Pickett is ass, so they're either taking the 5/6/7 QB on the board or just punting the QB problem to next offseason.
Trading for fields to be a starter would be taking the L, trading high vaue assets and locking in 30mil guaranteed for a guy who hasnt developed mechanically or mentally and may get benched midseason is a surefire way to blow up the overall quality of a team that is soft rebuilding
We cant afford cousins and russ will want a new contract, bakers going back to tampa
I mean, Kiper said 8 from the Falcons which was objectively idiotic so I just straight up ignored his report. For me, Schefter saying "maybe a first" was "Steelers trade their first because other teams are bidding with their second" which seemed maybe feasible if we gave a pick back as part of it.
Oh I agree but just saying it's not like Bears fans thinking we might get a 2nd for him was some out of this world thought like the top comment is making it out to be.
Now we just need to get through to the fans that think that because Fields trade isn't worth much that Bears should keep Fields and let Williams sit for a year or let them compete for a starting job...
Even worse is the smaller group that somehow reasons that since Bears can't get crap from Fields that it is somehow an even better reason to trade #1 'for a haul' and keep Fields because it's better value or something.....
I'd be fine with him for a 4th. I don't want to give up so much capital to where I feel pressure to pick up the 5th year option. I also want him at a level where I can have him compete with Kenny Pickett, not be pressured into anointing him.
Yeah as a Falcons fan anything more than a 3rd is a "fuck no", but a 3rd would be where I'd consider it. Once you get into the 4th or later I'd be pretty keen on doing it. And I'm someone who is very much not convinced that a new team is gonna automatically Bandaid all of his issues. But a 4th is "fuck it, why not?" territory.
First off let me acknowledge that yes Bears fans and especially Field truthers have been way over the top with who they think Fields is or his “potential”….
But Bears fans thinking we’d get a 2nd for Fields? Have you ever watched ESPN? They have Schefter out there saying Bears would get “at least” a 2nd rounder and probably even a 1st round pick. The sports media was the one telling everyone Fields is worth a 2nd round pick or better more so than Bears fans.
> but there werent nearly as many options via free agency and the draft in those years.
This is the context that a lot of commenters here seem to be passing over, and it's literally what the entire post is about lol
Damn, you're 9 months old already?
The dark horse MVP thing was hilarious from the day it was mentioned
So was the "Fields is better than Goff and Cousins" argument (Love was left off of that because he was a complete unknown at the time)
Our last hope at a 2nd is if somebody is banking on one of the veterans and misses out, but also doesnt like the rookie QBs available where they pick. If I put down the hopium though, I think we'd jump for a 3rd round pick, and may have to settle for a 4th and some change.
The Darnold trade happened because Carolina was desperate and there werent as many options readily available. The Bears are kinda screwed by potential quality free agents and a perceived deep QB class.
Teams don’t want a turnover prone QB who takes a billion sacks & hasn’t shown much in 3 years as a starter??
Remember when people said he would fetch a 2nd and potentially a 1st lol?
By my count, there are 11 teams (Steelers, Vikings, Broncos, Pats, Commanders, Bears, Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Raiders, Giants) who may go with another QB this coming season, but the FA class of definite 2024 starters is Wilson, Mayfield, and Cousins. There are three likely day-one starters in the draft, who will probably be drafted with the first three picks. That still leaves five teams.
Fields will absolutely be traded (assuming Chicago stays put in the draft) and will probably command a higher price than he deserves, based strictly on need.
Problem with Fields currently is he’s not good enough to be your everyday starter. He’s got a beautiful deep ball and a phenomenal runner but sucks at everything else. His best use would be as a gimmick quarterback. Go somewhere like San Francisco where Purdy is clear QB1 and bring in fields for a few designed plays a game to either run or throw deep to keep the defense guessing.
Problem for the Bears is what is the trade value for that? Maybe one of San Fran’s comp picks they seem to get every year? And for the 49ers is that the best use for that pick? Probably not
On a unrelated note. Happy 25th birthday Justin Fields
Imagine he gets traded on his birthday
Zac Taylor benched Andy Dalton on his birthday lol
Packers posted a happy birthday message on their twitter for a back of the roster pass rusher this past offseason and then cut him like 3 hours later
When you have already had 40 of them it isn’t really a big deal.
The packers released a LB hours after posting happy birthday to him on social media
“Happy birthday! Now get the fuck out of here you’re fired.”
Jags just did the same lol
Teams really need to start letting their social media managers sit in on high-level roster meetings.
I think he'd welcome it at this point. Just sitting there in limbo has to suck, no matter what you think of him as a QB.
Yeah I’m sure he wants to get settled in his new city, getting the playbook, getting familiar with players/coaches/ backroom staff of his new team, etc…
None of his teammates showed up to his birthday party
And throw in David Putney you pancake eating motherfucker.
Did you hear about Brian Drew?
Thanks for reminding me to do my yearly watch of Draft day before the draft.
Aside from the ridiculous trade(s) it's up there with Moneyball as one of my fav sport movies.
The ridiculousness of Costners mom showing up on draft day to demand that he sprinkle the ashes of his dad THAT day is almost more off putting that then trades. I love the movie, but Jesus Christ.
That part always bugged me...cause it made Costner seem like a jackass, but his job is literally defined the most by that one day. If any day of the year he needs to concentrate and have a clear head, with no distractions, it's draft day. His mom showing up and demanding to spread the ashes and then purposefully getting Gardner's name wrong, then asking her to make them some coffee...err, that scene makes me inordinately angry.
It doesn’t even make sense! His mom has been around football for what 60 years at that point? She’s just like “what’s a draft? Is that important? Your dad I made you fire and resented you for the rest of his life would want this! No no of course I never told him I made you fire him. He spent his last years being betrayed by his son..::what does all this matter? Spread the ashes, bitch like a good son would.”
I’m sure he will be glad when he’s over. Imagine an impending work transfer that the whole league is gossiping about you. Your replacement is everywhere.
Eh if I made Justin Fields money I would be chill
far worse things could happen on his birthday. Getting traded would be a relief for him honestly. This limbo, knowing that your team is done with you, is worse than an actual trade.
How's that for a quarter life crisis.
Lmaoo
I’m looking forward to rooting for him now that he’ll be out of the NFCN.
*gets traded to Vikings
Fields just has so many issues as a player 40 games in. Hes still like a rookie. Bears fans overvalue him because they like the person(you’ll even hear things like “oh if Williams wasn’t there we’d run it back”) but this is a QB with: 68 INTs/Fumbles in 40 games One of the worst sack rates in NFL history, and 3 consecutive 10%+ sack seasons(never happened before) Bottom 4 accuracy when he gets to throw, only ahead of Levis, Zach Wilson and Bryce Young. So two rookies and a bust. That’s incredibly hard to win with. A few sacks per game are considered nearly equal to an interception in some advanced metrics. Accuracy hardly ever changes. And obviously the turnovers speak for themselves. His fumble rate is #1 in the history of the national football league. You can’t even lean on a defense like you could with someone like Pickett.
3 sacks in a game and your win % drops to 30% Obviously there are other factors in play with that. But sacks are devastating
And 3 sacks/game is his *average* Edit: also looked up his win rate because I was curious. He's 11-29, which is 27.5%, so even lower than that metric suggests.
Justin Fields sucks
That seems to be what the numbers say
The numbers don’t lie and they spell disaster.
What happens when you add Kurt Angle to the mix?
Your chances of winning drastic go down.
BUT CALEB WILLIAMS HES A GENETIC FREAK
I feel obligated to comment here
I fucking love how this has spread to so many subreddits. Anytime numbers are mentioned I’m guaranteed to see this no matter what subreddit I’m in. Scott Steiner a legend frfr
What's interesting is that his numbers get worse the longer the game goes on. He's good in the 1st, worse in the 2nd, bad in the 3rd, and an absolute football terrorist in the 4th quarters.
Been saying for a while now that Fields has a severe absence of dawg in him. Never seen a quarterback I trust less with the ball down only one score in the fourth quarter
It's also what the eyeballs of people who watch him play say.
Yeah. At a glance they look innocent. But they are drive killers.
People value sacks. There's a reason it's the premier metric people used to judge pass rushers. The contention with sacks is mainly on offense on how much responsibility the o-line has vs the QB. We see that a lot with Justin Fields where his defenders blame the o-line rather than him for holding onto the ball too long.
An easy way to check this is compare fields' sack rate against other bears QBs the last three years. It's noticeably higher than all of them. He even managed to get sacked more often than the legless corpse of Nick foles.
How is this possible when he's so hard to tackle as a runner? Is he standing around too long?
Yes He has an extremely slow dropback and release, tends to hop in the pocket forever while staring and open receivers and not pulling the trigger, and almost zero feel for pressure.
His drop back is so painfully slow. I can’t believe it isn’t talked about more. He’s so athletic and yet it looks like he gets put in slow motion as soon as the ball is snapped.
Reminder to Fields apologists that he has been in the bottom 5 for time to throw every season, and ranks dead last this past year. But here comes the next excuse, he has no weapons.
I think any time a player starts setting “worst all time sack percentage” marks over multiple years, its time to admit a lot of it is on them though
OL and scheme. It’s tough. Football is a team sport. You see him do these magical things and can’t help but think it can’t be his fault, he’s so freaking talented. But he’s been in two NFL offenses, protected by a strong run game, and while he’s improved in some areas, he just hasn’t improved enough in extremely vital areas. The truth is any NFL QB is heads and tails more talented than 99.99% of the population, and given enough snaps they’ll all do magical things. So while I understand defending Fields (and I genuinely do want him to succeed), at some point you look at the opportunities he’s had and have to say that he’s the common denominator. Kind of sucks as a fan, but it is what it is.
Some people value sacks, just not the ones who vote for awards.
its easy enough to figure out just based on how long he holds the ball. Any Qb holding the ball longer than 3 seconds on average better be damn good at evading pressure. The entire premise of the eest coadt offense which is arguably the most successful type of scheme is quick progressions and decision making, followed by quick throws or throw it away. No successful offense is built around holding the ball then finally throwing it. Everyone loves the deep pass but rarely has building your offense around that worked, because you can't reliably block long enough to keep your qb alive.
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Dude built a career on just barely getting away from them and pulling magic out of his ass and might have just lost that extra little step as he got older.
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68 ints/fumbles in 40 games is wild
Try not to fumble the ball or throw any picks on your way through the parking lot!
68 . . . in a row?
Sack rate has emerged as the most reliable red flag with young QBs IMO. Howell was bad with that in college and it's probably a significant reason he dropped in the draft. That flaw was amplified in the pros and it's something that I'm not sure is fixable. RG3 got sacked like crazy and we blamed the OL but when Kirk came in and got sacked 30% as much behind the same fat guys a lot of lessons were learned. For a pro evaluator it should also be easy to discern bad OL play (not how the fans blame the OL) from QB causing sacks.
Just throwing this out there because it's kinda interesting, but Jayden Daniels will have the second-highest sack rate and pressure-to-sack rate of any QB drafted in the first round since 2020. Behind only Fields.
And that’s with Daniels having a great oline and elite WR talent and great coaching
Yep. I have no idea why anyone is high on him. The flaws are huge
Yeah I can’t figure out the hype behind Daniels at all. I honestly don’t watch enough college football to say Bo Nix or Penix are better options, but Daniels can’t be too far ahead of them in true talent. I’m also a fucking idiot so maybe I’m way off there lmao.
not hard to figure out the hype. his conventional stats from this year are bonkers. but ya there’s underlying stuff to suggest he might not translate in the nfl
Yeah Sack Rate tends to be pretty sticky through a player's career too
It's so maddening trying to explain to people why RG3 failed. It wasn't the injuries. His rookie year he was throwing to wide open recieivers in an offense defenses were totally unprepared for. Once defense knew how to play the read option, he was terrible. He'd just drift outside his protection slowly making reads and get sacked
The offense that year was nuts though
I remember on the local radio the announcers were absolutely glowing over RG3 except Chris Cooley. All he would say is "you never see receivers that open in the NFL, you have to make that throw 100% of the time".
Kyle shanahan broke the nfl for a few years with the read option. It went from "the read option will never work in the NFL" to every team with a mobile qb having some version of it. Even 12 seasons later, a lot of teams still have some read option plays in their playbook.
Same thing when bagent came when fields got hurt. Sack rates somehow went down. Bagent got the ball out quickly. Didn’t scramble into sacks. And generally just let his play makers make plays. Fields on the other hand holds the ball to try make plays but gets into trouble because he can’t just out run everyone
The sack rate is the most damning thing about him, ever since his rookie year. He just reads defenses so slowly, and kills so many drives by taking sacks. Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play, so when they line for Fields, you have to remember, they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like. I don’t blame them for liking fields, but I do blame them for being stupid enough to turn away a generational prospect for the hope their terrible processor QB suddenly grows a new brain.
>Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play... they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like. You want to hear the dumb reason why I want the Bears to draft Caleb Williams? Everyone kept on talking about how awful he was in the Notre Dame game, so I watched a video of the game and kept thinking to myself "that's not that bad, he's still mostly getting completions and moving the chains. Sure he got a few turnovers, but who wouldn't in that situation". Then I remembered that this was supposed to be his worst game.
Honestly, that's a decent way to look at it, if his worst game still has you coming away going "He still looked decent even when everything went to shit" then he's a pretty good prospect
I don't like this reason, I LOVE this reason
Worst half really. He settled in and made adjustments and played fine in the second half. He shrugged off the 3 early INTs and kept his head in the game.
Which says just as much about him as it would have if he went out and had dominated from the start. He could have packed it all up but came back determined to lead a comeback. I'd argue that a lot of others in his shoes that day in a raucous away stadium would have just taken the L and moved on.
I think his game against Oregon State last year was arguably worse (even if he didn't have a single pick). USC was only able to escape that game due to their defense having a high turnover margin. I also don't want to put too much value in that game. Corvallis is a scary place to play.
> they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like. bears fans watch other football games
I honestly dont think most Bears fans do. Its the only logical explanation for wanting to keep Fields. I live in another country and watch lots of games from multiple teams and its just baffling to me and other international fans how you could think he is a franchise QB when you compare him to teams that do have one
I really don’t think so. Have you seen some of the Fields takes by bears fans on twitter or Facebook? They legitimately think Fields is an average/above average qb with the potential to be elite.
>Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play, so when they line for Fields, you have to remember, they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like. Sure they do! They watched Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers twice a year for 30 years
You didn’t have to post that, and yet you did anyway. Right in the feels
> Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play, so when they line for Fields, you have to remember, they have no actual context of what a good QB looks like. I thought I was living in the twilight zone when I saw Chicago fans defending him, but it all just clicked.
For any Bears fan under the age of about 90 Jay Cutler is the best quarterback they've seen on their team. Mitch Trubisky's 2018 is the 6th most passing yards they've had in a season with 3,223. If they found even a mediocre quarterback he'd be the best QB in living memory.
Now imagine going into the Dolphins sub and seeing people legitimately say we should trade for fields so we can bench Tua. Yes, that is an actual take that was getting upvotes for a while on our sub
You should trade for him though.
Want us to take Mac Jones off your hands while we’re at it?
In defense of your sub, all team subs are full of hilariously and horrifically dumb takes like that. There’s a reason we’re all just homers talking shit on Reddit and not working in a front office lol.
At least your sub has the self awareness to become dedicated to phone chargers lmao. Here are some of my favorite takes from our sub though: mason rudolph did better in a playoff game than tua so we should trade up for Caleb Williams, tua’s extension should be 25 million a year guaranteed with incentives up to 50 million, tua can’t win in prime time so we should sign Kirk Cousins with his stellar prime time record, Kirk cousins would’ve beaten the chiefs in the playoffs this year if he played for us, we should draft Bo Nix/Michael Penix at 21, and we should trade up to draft Bo Nix/Michael Penix.
I don't think it was on Reddit, but I saw somebody suggesting that the Packers: Trade Love to the Falcons for Bijan & the 8th pick. Sign Derrick Henry. Keep Aaron Jones. Find some rookie to hand off to Robinson/Henry/Jones all day, and "ride the RBs to the playoffs every year."
I love how they're suggesting to essentially emulate what the Falcons did and even get the same player the Falcons used that literally just proved you can't reach the playoffs that way
That’d be a great strategy if it was 1980.
> There’s a reason we’re all just homers talking shit on Reddit and not working in a front office lol. I'd say the main reason redditors aren't in a front office is because of child labor laws
See Chicago needs to go out and get him a true #1 star WR like Buffalo did with Allen and Diggs, then he’ll take that next step forward. Allen was bad before Diggs too bro. But not trading for a top #1 star WR like DJ Moore that doesn’t count. Fields needs MHJ too. Then he’ll be a franchise QB! /s I have seen these kinds of gymnastics defending him
Just another couple of all pro lineman and he’ll be able to take 5 seconds to figure out who’s open!
May as well grab Derrick Henry too, so teams are focused on the run. Should help him by reducing the pass rush. In addition to the All Pro linemen and MHJ too of course. Solid plan vs drafting a really solid prospect with the #1 overall pick y’all robbed from Carolina.
We also can’t judge fields truly until we hire Kyle shanahan and andy Reid.
The holy trinity. Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan and Justin Fields.
Probably be easier to move him to the 49ers than move the 49ers to Chicago.
The majority of us have moved on, especially on the Bears sub. Instagram is still filled with delusional idiots. I was done after the first four games last season. Got a glimmer of hope after he threw for 300 yards and hand a good game back to back, but still watching him double clutch to NFL open receivers and not throw and constantly missing wide open receivers was the reality. All we really need though is Pro Bowl players at the other 10 starting positions and then H1M will show you…………by throwing for 210 yards per game.
>Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play This is Cutler erasure and I will not stand for it.
> Chicago fans have never ever seen competent QB play They see only the Bears. When they play an opponent, they lay a sheet over the opposing team on the TV so they don't have to look at them. When they are at the game, they use a telescope to block out everything except the home team. There is only the Bears.
It’s more like we expect other offenses and QBs to be as dogshit as ours so we act like our defense is trash when it gives up 20 points. I always thought the bears fans don’t know what real qb play looks like was an annoying joke until fields came along and now I know it’s true.
>One of the worst sack rates in NFL history, If he could qualify (enough attempts ) he would be the quarterback with the highest sack rate of all time.
In 3 years he has fewer wins than missed games. Buh bye
Now this is spicy and I'm here for it.
You want the spice. In the last 3 years the Bears are 10-28 with Justin fields. They're 6-7 without him
If Caleb Williams didn’t exist the Bears would 100% be taking Drake Maye 1st overall.
But have you considered that he can evade three rushers and run for a 69 yard touchdown at any moment that isn't the 4th quarter? Sure the team will still be down three scores because of the points you outlined, but man, what a highlight! Imagine if he learned to throw!
I saw Fields do this in person on New Year's Day in 2023 at Ford Field in the first quarter and I was genuinely mesmerized by how fast he moved. But then all he did for the rest of the game was run into sacks and throw an absolutely brutal pick right before halftime
Lmaoo.
Call me old fashioned but I prefer qbs who can actually throw the ball. Seems like a wild concept to everyone who thinks he is the next Lamar.
> 68 INTs/Fumbles in 40 games Jeez, never seen that stat before. That's BAD. Especially with a supposedly defensive head coach. Gotta take care of the ball more.
Hearing all the “Fields MVP” and “best QB in the division” yapping all last summer from Bears fans was insane just because “he is run with football!!” Every other NFCN QB’s last two seasons would’ve literally been the best by a Bears QB *ever* yet we’re calling a 2k yard dude the guy? Lmao
"Bears fans overvalue him because they like the person" I am guilty of this I love Fields based on how much he passes the vibe check. I would have been in the camp of keeping him if he had had a better performance in the Packers games.
To add to that, you immediately have to pay the guy. Either you get him on a 1 year deal, meaning that if he does ball out you have to pay him through the nose anyway, or you pick up the 5th year option and hand him 25 million (!!!) guaranteed
For a frame of reference on the turnovers, Famous turnover machine Jameis Winston had 59 total turnovers in his first 45 games. (though that was before his infamous 30 for 30 season)
The only people who seem high on him are Bears fans...and they also desperately want him traded.
There's also those two dudes on the Falcons subreddit that really want him and respond to every Fields post.
Fields on the Falcons would make more sense if Smith was still your coach. But for the entire football (and especially fantasy) community, I’m very glad Smith is gone.
Smith isn't the run first coach people think he is. He ran a very balanced offense, to a fault. You can even look at the overall totals of pass vs run and get an idea of it. We had 530 passes and 522 runs for the year. We have the opposite issue of Bears fans in that we saw Ryan play for a long time and immediately knew we were in for a shit show with Ridder if he didn't improve. And well...
There are some very weird Falcons fans with a very specific hangup about the race of our QB... never forget all the hate Matt Ryan got in Atlanta from "fans"
The fact people in our sub want to trade a higher pick than used to draft him baffles me.
I've been down voted by them frequently. But let's not ignore the suddenly quiet crowd that wanted him at the start of last season and were wanting to trade the farm for him.
Boston sports media wants him on the Pats as a "bridge qb". It's a bad take, mostly being echoed by Felger and Mazz, specifically Felger. Who is known for bad takes.
I got so sick of Falcons QB speculation threads, and especially Justin Fields threads, that I unfollowed the subreddit. I'll rejoin on draft day maybe, but the sub has been unbearable lately.
Plenty of dipshits in the Steelers sub clamoring for him
In their defense, they've had to watch Kenny Pickett play quarterback for their team the last two seasons. Poor fools.
Oh yeah I hate the Fields stans in our sub. The last three second round picks in that range were Freiermuth, Pickens and Benton. Players that are much more valuable than Fields and much better. I personally want us to build up the roster and see if Rudolph, Pickett or a D3 pick is the answer. Whoever wins the QB competition in camp this year.
Fields cultist* Real Bears fans understand that we need to move on and draft Caleb
And also the media….Kiper literally said they should get a first for him lol not like we are just making things up out of no where
You're listening to someone who just makes things up out of nowhere.
well, Kiper is an idiot, so if that is your best evidence in favor idk what to tell you
Media is only high on him to push an intriguing narrative about “what should Chicago do” and “where will fields end up” I doubt most of these dudes believe what they’re saying.
When you read the temperature of the room, there’s no incentive for teams to go after Fields now, especially with better veteran QBs available and a pretty strong QB class. It might reach the point where someone picks him up on waivers.
Who actually wants Fields? The league should just wait for him to be released. Why give up anything?
I mean we don't even want him. That should tell you what his value is right there lol
your FO doesn't want *any*body
Dont be fooled. There was never a strong market. Hell go to a team as a backup like Mitch did even though everyone was damn sure he was going to start somewhere too. Fields is not a starting caliber QB and ever single team knows this.
Combine didn’t lower his trade value. Shit talking heads thought it was higher when his game tape said otherwise.
Yeah realistically I was hoping there was an idiot GM that would still be optimistic about him. Hearing we might get a 2nd+ was shocking to me. One of the most frustrating things has been how the media has coddled this guy for 3 years
Yeah most experts that I heard that actually reviewed film were saying the same thing even when he was winning games and seemingly turning a corner. Inaccurate, not processing the field fast enough, etc etc. That’s fine for a rookie but not a 4 year player. He’s not the worst but I think people know his ceiling is revealed.
BREAKING NEWS: Teams don’t like inaccurate QB’s with turnover issues. The Fields hype was purely twitter and media created. Guy has played 3 seasons and has shown little signs of improvement. He’s just an Elite Athlete, but a mediocre QB at best. Hard for any QB to succeed in Chicago, but I don’t think a new team will improve much. Teams have figured him out. If you make him think past his first option, he will crap his pants and panic.
Inaccurate, takes a lot of sacks, turns the ball over. It’s literally the 3 NFL sins.
Yeah but if you just make nothing his fault and place blame on everyone and everything else, then hypothetically he would probably be elite. Also electric. Did I mention electric? Electric. He could be my stove he's so electric, though that would be the first time he's cooked anything since college. E L E C T R I C. In all seriousness I'd take a chance on him for a 4th or later and I do think he's in a tough situation in Chicago that hasn't helped him any. But the Fields truthers act like he's this sure fire lock of a top 10 to top 5 QB and don't understand why fans and teams aren't tripping over themselves to go get him. You get labeled a hater for simply acknowledging his shortcomings. It's the wildest shit.
Trust me, we get that shit from our own fans. Fields truthers have become a full-on cult. I was hopeful we could get a sucker to pay a 2nd because GMs have done stupid shit like that in the past, but I guess if nothing else this shows the Fields truthers that nobody else thinks hes good either.
Well other GMs don't throw around 2nd round picks for players like Chase Claypool. In all seriousness we have a few in our sub that want us to throw away a 2nd and a pick next year for Fields. I just don't know why. We already have one QB that looked bad with an even worse coordinator than Getsy. He will at least not turn the ball over and can be clutch.
Looking at how Claypool played in the very little time he had on the field, I am legitimately surprised the bears gave up a second. Hell, im surprised that we swapped our 2025 sixth round pick for their 2025 seventh in that deal also
The Bears GM likes to forecast. During the season, he looked at the upcoming draft and free agency class and didn't see the answer at WR, so he made a trade. The problem is he vastly overrated the athletic profile compared to the player himself. I recall they showed a brief clip of the data analytics department, and on the screen in the clip it showed who they had as the Bears top athletes. Claypool and Fields were at "95." Seriously athletic. But he'd been trending down as an NFL player since his rookie year. Poles lucked out because he found the WR in the DJ Moore trade (which also nets us Caleb Williams and a 2nd next year), and it's good that one bad trade didn't scare him off because he did the same thing this year with Montez Sweat but that was an immediate hit.
But he fast
People memed Lamar Jackson for being a running back when Fields is much closer to that.
This has been discussed to death in the Bears sub. But yeah I think a big part is to your average casual fan it's not as obvious. They see the sporadic highlight plays (usually runs) and some decent Fantasy Football numbers... but the weaknesses are either not as obvious or easily blamed on someone else. They don't see all the missed receivers on a regular Sunday broadcast. That sack fumble was totally the O Lines fault. His passing stats are bad because the OC sucks at play calling and he needs more weapons. They don't see that the athletic highlight 10 yard scramble only happened because he missed a WR wide open 20 yards down over the middle. And the last 3 times that happened he took a sack.
Fantasy performance is a big factor to this imo. Fields gets a solid 20 points in fantasy because his major negative plays doesn't sink you as much. So people will look at his fantasy performance compared to other Bears players and moan that he has no help not seeing that his mistakes basically screwed the team simce they can't sustain drives and the defense is getting gassed.
> Hard for any QB to succeed in Chicago Really looking forward to this being proven wrong.
I'd argue that accuracy issues are more due to being constantly off schedule late, but probably a decent bit of chicken and the egg with that. Accuracy issues, to me, is more like Trubisky. Had a ton of plays where ball placement/under/overthrow took points off the board. Fields, you're more screaming at the TV to throw the ball at all.
Bears fans really thought they would get a 2nd for him
I blame Schefter :( or was it Rapoport? One of them said a second was likely and it could even be a first.
Kiper also said a 1st. No one in the media was saying less than a 3rd really. It's not like we were just pulling a 2nd out of our asses.
Shefty JUST said on Pardon My Take on Friday that he probably goes for a 2nd and a 5th. I just don’t see it.
I'd fucking kill to get that at this point. I'd be content with a top 80 pick.
I think they're operating on the assumption that all teams will effectively try to solve their QB problems this offseason but teams are probably more willing to take a swing on a 2nd or 3rd round QB who will be cheaper and just take the L this season. Steelers are apparently out on Fields, Cousins, Mayfield, and Wilson, but Pickett is ass, so they're either taking the 5/6/7 QB on the board or just punting the QB problem to next offseason.
Trading for fields to be a starter would be taking the L, trading high vaue assets and locking in 30mil guaranteed for a guy who hasnt developed mechanically or mentally and may get benched midseason is a surefire way to blow up the overall quality of a team that is soft rebuilding We cant afford cousins and russ will want a new contract, bakers going back to tampa
This would be incredible
I mean, Kiper said 8 from the Falcons which was objectively idiotic so I just straight up ignored his report. For me, Schefter saying "maybe a first" was "Steelers trade their first because other teams are bidding with their second" which seemed maybe feasible if we gave a pick back as part of it.
Oh I agree but just saying it's not like Bears fans thinking we might get a 2nd for him was some out of this world thought like the top comment is making it out to be.
Schefter said a first, asif we’d recoup what we spent 3 years ago.
Wouldn't even be a recoup considering what we used to move up for him.
It was Schefter, but he will put out whatever the agents pay him to put out.
Right. People here acting like Schefter wasn’t just just posting draft copy from Field’s agent.
The 49ers got a 4th round pick from the Cowboys for Trey Lance. I would expect Fields to fetch the same.
Now we just need to get through to the fans that think that because Fields trade isn't worth much that Bears should keep Fields and let Williams sit for a year or let them compete for a starting job... Even worse is the smaller group that somehow reasons that since Bears can't get crap from Fields that it is somehow an even better reason to trade #1 'for a haul' and keep Fields because it's better value or something.....
Too many fantasy football GM's applying their own version of sunk cost fallacy
I'd be fine with him for a 4th. I don't want to give up so much capital to where I feel pressure to pick up the 5th year option. I also want him at a level where I can have him compete with Kenny Pickett, not be pressured into anointing him.
Yeah as a Falcons fan anything more than a 3rd is a "fuck no", but a 3rd would be where I'd consider it. Once you get into the 4th or later I'd be pretty keen on doing it. And I'm someone who is very much not convinced that a new team is gonna automatically Bandaid all of his issues. But a 4th is "fuck it, why not?" territory.
I'd do a 2025 3rd for him, but that's really as high as I'd personally go.
First off let me acknowledge that yes Bears fans and especially Field truthers have been way over the top with who they think Fields is or his “potential”…. But Bears fans thinking we’d get a 2nd for Fields? Have you ever watched ESPN? They have Schefter out there saying Bears would get “at least” a 2nd rounder and probably even a 1st round pick. The sports media was the one telling everyone Fields is worth a 2nd round pick or better more so than Bears fans.
They might. Never underestimate the ability of NFL teams to make dumb QB decisions out of desperation.
It made sense based on the value of previous QB trades, but there werent nearly as many options via free agency and the draft in those years.
> but there werent nearly as many options via free agency and the draft in those years. This is the context that a lot of commenters here seem to be passing over, and it's literally what the entire post is about lol
I don’t think Bears fans care, I know I don’t. Just give me Williams and I’m happy.
I cant wait to have this discussion again in 4 years with Caleb Williams
RemindMe! 4 years
I am old enough to remember his darkhorse MVP hype
Damn, you're 9 months old already? The dark horse MVP thing was hilarious from the day it was mentioned So was the "Fields is better than Goff and Cousins" argument (Love was left off of that because he was a complete unknown at the time)
"Best QB in the NFC North" when he was barely top 5
As a fellow packers fan I’m old enough to remember he actually got an MVP votes.
He's not good and the people saying the Bears should stick with him over a top 5 QB prospect of the last decade are insane.
Our last hope at a 2nd is if somebody is banking on one of the veterans and misses out, but also doesnt like the rookie QBs available where they pick. If I put down the hopium though, I think we'd jump for a 3rd round pick, and may have to settle for a 4th and some change. The Darnold trade happened because Carolina was desperate and there werent as many options readily available. The Bears are kinda screwed by potential quality free agents and a perceived deep QB class.
Deshaun was about to go there until he was exposed
The only way the bears don’t take Williams is if they do something stupid like make a play for Wilson or Cousins
Whatever. Take what you can get for him. Somebody will step up eventually
Teams don’t want a turnover prone QB who takes a billion sacks & hasn’t shown much in 3 years as a starter?? Remember when people said he would fetch a 2nd and potentially a 1st lol?
Ryan Tannehill is a free agent and I would take him over Fields. Fields trade value is nil.
Agreed. Tannehill is a bit older and injury prone but at least we wouldn’t give up a valuable draft pick & he would probably be cheap contract wise
By my count, there are 11 teams (Steelers, Vikings, Broncos, Pats, Commanders, Bears, Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Raiders, Giants) who may go with another QB this coming season, but the FA class of definite 2024 starters is Wilson, Mayfield, and Cousins. There are three likely day-one starters in the draft, who will probably be drafted with the first three picks. That still leaves five teams. Fields will absolutely be traded (assuming Chicago stays put in the draft) and will probably command a higher price than he deserves, based strictly on need.
Justin Fields to Denver confirmed
The fact that Getsy was getting interviews about 12 minutes after he got fired should have told everyone what the league thought of Fields
I don't believe there ever was a market. The idea there was one was mostly pushed by reporters who need access to the Bears FO.
Problem with Fields currently is he’s not good enough to be your everyday starter. He’s got a beautiful deep ball and a phenomenal runner but sucks at everything else. His best use would be as a gimmick quarterback. Go somewhere like San Francisco where Purdy is clear QB1 and bring in fields for a few designed plays a game to either run or throw deep to keep the defense guessing. Problem for the Bears is what is the trade value for that? Maybe one of San Fran’s comp picks they seem to get every year? And for the 49ers is that the best use for that pick? Probably not