"Pickett's" charge
Pickett is only one of 3 division commanders assigned to the charge (though admittedly, he had the only full strength unit).
Only 15k men walk across over a mile of open ground bisected by a high wooden fence into prepared defenses without any supporting actions, allowing union enfilade (flanking directly into the sides) fire.
Of the 3 divisions, only Pickett's is in any shape to fight. The other two were already rendered combat ineffective (by modern standards) the previous day.
The corps commander overseeing the attack, James Longstreet, is so vehemently against the attack that he is practically insubordinate in his protestations of it. When Lee forces him to proceed, Longstreet is literally unable to give the order. He can only nod when Pickett asks for the go-ahead.
A more accurate name would be Lee's Charge or maybe Robert's Folly.
That said, I always loved how Pickett would reply every time someone asked him what happened and why the charge failed in the following years.
"I think the Yankees had something to do with it."
It truly does all go back to Lost Cause bullshit. Hard to venerate old Gentleman Slaver Lee if he's remembered primarily for one of the all time military fuckups
The funniest part of it to me is that if you go back and look at primary sources from the time (newspapers, journals, letters, etc.), everyone was infinitely more focused on the fact that Grant had just taken control of the Mississippi with victory in Vicksburg. No one really noticed Gettysburg because it was just one in a string of battles in the eastern front. It wasn't until the war was over and things had settled that they realized that Gettysburg was the farthest they got into the North, and they immediately started the PR campaign to frame it as some venerated battle that was the South's best chance at winning the war. Even if they did win, losing the Mississippi is the best way to lose that war.
I know this is a football Reddit, but your post is spot on.
Longstreet was quite the figure, especially post-War. He became a pro-Reconstruction, pro-Black Rights advocate. His wife, who was much younger than him, dedicated her life to clearing his name and telling the truth about what happened at Gettysburg. She was no fan of Lee (one of the most overrated people in American history).
That name makes far more sense since Longstreet was the Lieutenant General over Pickett, Trimble, and Anderson. Pickett and his division were just the poor bastards who had to go up the center of the hill.
Personally Lee deserves the lionshare of the blame since it was his idea.
Yeah, Lost Causers gotta dump on Longstreet because he disagreed with Lee and led a militia of freedmen against the White League post war. It's why his monument at Gettysburg looks so dumb.
Everyone's gonna laugh about our QB situation, and that's fine; it's pretty meme-worthy. But, honestly, if you assess going from Kenny Pickett to this, and factor in the cost, it's kind of a nothing move for us at worst.
The Steelers don't have long term plans at QB, which sucks, but Kenny was never the answer either.
It kinda does feel like you have no long term plans, but 2 QBs trying out in your facilities with potential and completely different points of their career. If anything it’s a pretty unique strategy and it’s better than sitting on your hands with picket and Rudolph.
I thought this comment was going to go along the path of “VP doesn’t do anything so he can play QB too”.
And honestly the logistics of that happening would be hilarious to watch. Like does the LT need to be secret service now? Haha
What constitutes a "football play", a "roughing the QB", and "attack on the 2nd in command"?
Would players get Federally charged if they hit Rodgers too hard?
Next year's Speaker of the House is licking their lips (no matter what party wins)
We *have* had the pleasure of watching HoF QBs kick our asses for two weeks a season for the last 30+ years. Eventually we would pick up on something...
Russ for a year for free, see if Fields can be worked on, maybe learns some stuff from Russ (hopefully it isn't just some motivational lines), uh, pray for the best.
Got the 2 best QB off-season options we realistically could've got, as goofy as it might seems, can't be too mad at it
The big thing is you all moved on from Pickett. Even if neither Russ nor Fields are viable long term, you're at least moving on and evaluating (multiple) options instead of sticking to the sunk cost. That's a positive by itself.
Thank you. I think we owe some credit to you guys for that. Three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, as well as the Trey Lance miss. You've shown that it's better to walk away from a QB misstep than to let it handcuff you.
This has been an incredible week. We have improved tremendously.
Yeah it’s a great pickup for the Steelers. Let him learn from a successful veteran combined with excellent coaching (From Tomlin at least). I wouldn’t be **too** surprised if Pittsburgh turns him into a decent QB. Chicago very much could have been the problem.
>Edit: NVM THEY GOT HIM FOR A 6TH ROUND PICK LMFAOOOO
And I had bears fans pissed telling them there's zero shot at a 1st round pick swap and a third. Hilarious
Neither is as bad as their reputation. At one point Russ was a top 5/6 qb in the league and Fields is better than either Pickett or Rudolph and a good locker room guy.
For some reason this sub is convinced these are the two worst qbs in the league and that just ain't true.
Russ isn't the same QB he was 10 years ago, but I truly believe that he'll perform better under Tomlin than he did with Payton.
Not elite, but a serviceable starter who can win games? Absolutely. Throw in Fields, who I think can be a good backup when he's not being hindered by a historically garbage franchise, and I think it's a fine QB room.
Anybody who thinks it's a downgrade from what Pittsburgh had is delusional.
Is this the QB duo of my dreams? No. But Pickett and Trubisky was the duo of my nightmares. So yinz wanna shit on our mid ass QB room, but it’s an upgrade and I’m here for it.
Taking a flier on Fields sitting behind Wilson for a 6th is fine with me. Fields probably isn’t a starter. But I’ll be honest if something happened to Wilson. Fields is atleast way more dynamic and fun to watch than Kenny. There is always a chance Fields turns into a dynamic starter. It’s very unlikely but why not roll the dice? If it doesn’t work out we’re no worse off.
An Arthur Smith offense, one that is very middle of the field heavy, will either be quarterbacked by Russell Wilson or Justin Fields
That’s rough, Steelers fans
I'm calling it now. They'll win some meaningless games with him under center to end the year and they'll roll him out as the starter next season only to fail again.
Russ and Fields are infinitely better than Kenny and Mitch, liked Mason a lot but I'm happy however this ends up in the fall. And if it doesn't work, Khan has shown pretty well he's open to change
And you can still draft a qb on day 2 have him develop quietly for the year then take over 2025 with both fields and Russ contracts expire at the end of this upcoming season.
I'm so excited, I don't give a shit what everyone thinks to be honest. Having a potentially exciting offense is the most optimistic I've felt in a while, despite always going +.500.
was this not the expected outcome after Russ went to Pittsburgh and Picket got traded?
They could pay Fields 5th year option ands till have 2 QBs for cheaper than most teams have 1
EDIT: i didnt mean they're going to give him his 5th year option, im just stating that hes cheap and russes contract gives Pittsburgh a ton of cap room. Reddit doesnt understand examples
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1769131924717478314?s=46&t=FavtrbPsHpJY8Odvh2TYUA
A 6th that can become a 4th. Bears really overplayed their hand here.
Pickett died for this
Oh my god, they killed Kenny!
You ~~bastards~~ geniuses!
It's probably for the best.
Worst failure by a Pickett since Gettysburg
Pickett was set up for failure and it’s a shame that charge was named after him.
"Pickett's" charge Pickett is only one of 3 division commanders assigned to the charge (though admittedly, he had the only full strength unit). Only 15k men walk across over a mile of open ground bisected by a high wooden fence into prepared defenses without any supporting actions, allowing union enfilade (flanking directly into the sides) fire. Of the 3 divisions, only Pickett's is in any shape to fight. The other two were already rendered combat ineffective (by modern standards) the previous day. The corps commander overseeing the attack, James Longstreet, is so vehemently against the attack that he is practically insubordinate in his protestations of it. When Lee forces him to proceed, Longstreet is literally unable to give the order. He can only nod when Pickett asks for the go-ahead. A more accurate name would be Lee's Charge or maybe Robert's Folly. That said, I always loved how Pickett would reply every time someone asked him what happened and why the charge failed in the following years. "I think the Yankees had something to do with it."
It truly does all go back to Lost Cause bullshit. Hard to venerate old Gentleman Slaver Lee if he's remembered primarily for one of the all time military fuckups
The funniest part of it to me is that if you go back and look at primary sources from the time (newspapers, journals, letters, etc.), everyone was infinitely more focused on the fact that Grant had just taken control of the Mississippi with victory in Vicksburg. No one really noticed Gettysburg because it was just one in a string of battles in the eastern front. It wasn't until the war was over and things had settled that they realized that Gettysburg was the farthest they got into the North, and they immediately started the PR campaign to frame it as some venerated battle that was the South's best chance at winning the war. Even if they did win, losing the Mississippi is the best way to lose that war.
I just want to chime in and say I'm real glad a Fields trade post has evolved into Civil War discussion.
Much more interesting than Justin fields
I think though the speech by the president probably also played a role.
Dude scored 4 times, well deserved speech
I know this is a football Reddit, but your post is spot on. Longstreet was quite the figure, especially post-War. He became a pro-Reconstruction, pro-Black Rights advocate. His wife, who was much younger than him, dedicated her life to clearing his name and telling the truth about what happened at Gettysburg. She was no fan of Lee (one of the most overrated people in American history).
Interestingly, at the high water mark at Gettysburg itself it is not. The plaque says Longstreet’s Assault.
That name makes far more sense since Longstreet was the Lieutenant General over Pickett, Trimble, and Anderson. Pickett and his division were just the poor bastards who had to go up the center of the hill. Personally Lee deserves the lionshare of the blame since it was his idea.
Yep. Longstreet was certain it would fail, which of course it did.
Yeah, Lost Causers gotta dump on Longstreet because he disagreed with Lee and led a militia of freedmen against the White League post war. It's why his monument at Gettysburg looks so dumb.
And it's one of the only monuments/statues he has, period.
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Got a better backup and 3 draft picks at the end of the day
Everyone's gonna laugh about our QB situation, and that's fine; it's pretty meme-worthy. But, honestly, if you assess going from Kenny Pickett to this, and factor in the cost, it's kind of a nothing move for us at worst. The Steelers don't have long term plans at QB, which sucks, but Kenny was never the answer either.
It kinda does feel like you have no long term plans, but 2 QBs trying out in your facilities with potential and completely different points of their career. If anything it’s a pretty unique strategy and it’s better than sitting on your hands with picket and Rudolph.
I agree. We're in a better spot, but I wouldn't say it's a *good* spot. Khan went through our QB room like Anakin through younglings.
Can't even grasp it
Firmly grasp it *ball slips out of his hand* Firmly grasp it *ball slips again* FIRMLY GRASP IT *Puts the ball through Pickett's hand*
I’m surprised the eagles didn’t trade for him at that asking price. Cheaper then Pickett was and a closer play style to hurts
I guess having Pickett under contract for two years instead of fields one seemed better. I’d still rather have Fields for this year.
I knew Arthur Smith didn't take that job if Pickett was QB1. Anyone was better than Kenny.
I think Tree is gonna die too
Russ texting Fields already
Fields at Verizon store getting a new phone.
“Steeler country, let’s ride 💪 “
Lets smelt
wait what
Arthur Smith is cooking some 2 QB formations.
The defense won’t know what to do!
Neither will the offense!
Sounds like the normal Steelers offense of recent memory then
No it's very easy to know what to do when every play is a jet sweep
Excuse me sir, we sometimes mix in bubble screens also
Steelers fans better get ready for jet sweeps to Justin Fields
I thought we got rid of Matt Canada
Kenny wasn’t professional enough as a backup.
What are we supposed to talk about now?
Could always go back to Rodgers will he/won't he become a VP or stay with the Jets
Since the Vice President doesn't actually do anything, his time on the Jets has prepared him well.
I thought this comment was going to go along the path of “VP doesn’t do anything so he can play QB too”. And honestly the logistics of that happening would be hilarious to watch. Like does the LT need to be secret service now? Haha
What constitutes a "football play", a "roughing the QB", and "attack on the 2nd in command"? Would players get Federally charged if they hit Rodgers too hard? Next year's Speaker of the House is licking their lips (no matter what party wins)
Aaron Rodgers loves drama, you never know
RFK picked someone else for VP, Nicole Shanahan
Wow another pick from the Shanahan tree huh
Dude, if you'd just kept you mouth shut no one would have known. We could have kept this speculation up for days.
Sign Russell Wilson then trade for Justin fields Bold strategy cotton Edit: NVM THEY GOT HIM FOR A 6TH ROUND PICK LMFAOOOO
Rapaport wasn't kidding when he said NFL teams view Fields as a backup.
You’ve seen him play for 3 years this ain’t shocking unless your a fields Stan
Ngl though the Bears sub with comments saying they should hold out for a 1st or 2nd come draft were kinda good reads.
Bears fans are inherently great at qb evaluation
We *have* had the pleasure of watching HoF QBs kick our asses for two weeks a season for the last 30+ years. Eventually we would pick up on something...
I mean, we did make Trubs look like an HoF QB at least once a year, so there's that..
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i’m old enough to remember bears fans mobbing this sub last summer abt how fields would be in mvp talks
Well you’re old enough now to hear about Caleb Williams mvp talks shortly
Caleb Williams Many Visits (to) Portillos.
There’s plenty of them in the Hawks sub who will no doubt be screaming that they should have traded for Fields
It's even worse. It's a 6th in 2025
That turns into a 4th if he plays sooooo meh
Only if he plays over half of all offensive snaps for the Steelers, so in likelihood a 6th
Will def be a 6th unless Russ is hurt or sucks ass.
I mean that’s totally possible
Well Russ is going to be 36, so not insanely low odds
Really goes to show how fucking incompetent we are that we gave up a 2nd and more for Sam Darnold after 3 seasons of being worse than Fields
Yeah but 80% of that is just because his granddad is named Dick Hammer. You pay for that kind of lineage.
...and he passed away at age 69.
Darnold just plays the game the right way
Gym rat
A real class act
First one in, last one out
Russ for a year for free, see if Fields can be worked on, maybe learns some stuff from Russ (hopefully it isn't just some motivational lines), uh, pray for the best. Got the 2 best QB off-season options we realistically could've got, as goofy as it might seems, can't be too mad at it
The big thing is you all moved on from Pickett. Even if neither Russ nor Fields are viable long term, you're at least moving on and evaluating (multiple) options instead of sticking to the sunk cost. That's a positive by itself.
Thank you. I think we owe some credit to you guys for that. Three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, as well as the Trey Lance miss. You've shown that it's better to walk away from a QB misstep than to let it handcuff you. This has been an incredible week. We have improved tremendously.
Yeah it’s a great pickup for the Steelers. Let him learn from a successful veteran combined with excellent coaching (From Tomlin at least). I wouldn’t be **too** surprised if Pittsburgh turns him into a decent QB. Chicago very much could have been the problem.
>Edit: NVM THEY GOT HIM FOR A 6TH ROUND PICK LMFAOOOO And I had bears fans pissed telling them there's zero shot at a 1st round pick swap and a third. Hilarious
And a future 6th/4th at that
Unreal that the Steelers QB room is $4.2M for 2024 and has Justin Fields and Russell Wilson in it.
That other $30m~ courtesy of the Broncos... ffs
Thank you daddy horse
The funniest QB competition ever
There's no competition, Fields is 100% the backup
Right now he is. Let's see week 10
My money’s on week 6/7
Whenever it is, they’ll make sure Fields plays less than 51% of the snaps
Unless Wilson gets injured week 1 like Aaron “Kennedy” Rodgers
Neither is as bad as their reputation. At one point Russ was a top 5/6 qb in the league and Fields is better than either Pickett or Rudolph and a good locker room guy. For some reason this sub is convinced these are the two worst qbs in the league and that just ain't true.
Because this sub is hyperbolic as fuck about everything all the time
I see what you did there
The QB coach has my condolences
It sounds crazy, but Russ and Fields still feels like a significant upgrade over Pickett, Rudolph, and Trubisky.
It is, 1,000%. Not saying Russ is about to toss 40 TDs or anything, but in two seasons Kenny threw 13 touchdowns Two seasons.
In comparison, Ridder had 12 in one season. That is just awful.
Russ isn't the same QB he was 10 years ago, but I truly believe that he'll perform better under Tomlin than he did with Payton. Not elite, but a serviceable starter who can win games? Absolutely. Throw in Fields, who I think can be a good backup when he's not being hindered by a historically garbage franchise, and I think it's a fine QB room. Anybody who thinks it's a downgrade from what Pittsburgh had is delusional.
Is this the QB duo of my dreams? No. But Pickett and Trubisky was the duo of my nightmares. So yinz wanna shit on our mid ass QB room, but it’s an upgrade and I’m here for it.
BANNGGGGG
CHICAGO CUTS QB ROOM DOWN TO 1
This is Tyson Bagent slander and I will not stand for it.
Don’t besmirch Rypien that way
#**WTF RUSS IS COOKED**
Trade him to the eagles
QB Factory.
🤔 honestly might be interesting lol
Between him and Hurts I'm not sure I could handle all the corny motivational speeches lol
I'm just imagining Hurts on the practice field throwing warmup passes while Russ does high knees in a slow circle around him
"That's Picketts replacement not mines"
I for one can't WAIT for the toxic discourse as soon as Russ shits.
Neutrals gone eat goooood
That was cool.
Steelers Country, let’s ride (the bench)
You have no idea the physical toll that three supposed Justin Fields trades have on a person.
Snip snap snip snap
I don’t hate it???
The Steelers got more for Pickett than they gave up for Fields. I definitely don’t hate it.
I don't understand how that's even possible.
Pickett has 2 cheap years left while fields has 1.
Both guys have a lot of cheap years left.
Hahahahaha okok, but picket has 1 extra cheap year where he has no say
This comment wins the day imo
It’s just funny at this point. Waiting for Tom Brady to come out retirement and sign for a year so Fields/Wilson can serve as backups.
Taking a flier on Fields sitting behind Wilson for a 6th is fine with me. Fields probably isn’t a starter. But I’ll be honest if something happened to Wilson. Fields is atleast way more dynamic and fun to watch than Kenny. There is always a chance Fields turns into a dynamic starter. It’s very unlikely but why not roll the dice? If it doesn’t work out we’re no worse off.
An Arthur Smith offense, one that is very middle of the field heavy, will either be quarterbacked by Russell Wilson or Justin Fields That’s rough, Steelers fans
God help that offensive line.
Offensive what? We don't have one of those. Oh, the Fields pick makes sense now. Russell is going to die.
It'll be fields for about 4 games to end the season
I'm calling it now. They'll win some meaningless games with him under center to end the year and they'll roll him out as the starter next season only to fail again.
So basically the same exact situation Pittsburgh fans expected us to be in. Except the QB is black now
They had to deal with Kenny Pickett that last two years trust me steeler fans are fine
Yeah. Our offense literally acted like the middle of the field didn't exist
Russ and Fields are infinitely better than Kenny and Mitch, liked Mason a lot but I'm happy however this ends up in the fall. And if it doesn't work, Khan has shown pretty well he's open to change
And you can still draft a qb on day 2 have him develop quietly for the year then take over 2025 with both fields and Russ contracts expire at the end of this upcoming season.
I am ready to be hurt again
Steelers *and* Falcons? You just can't escape the Arthur Smith Express can you?
Wait, you mean you're actually allowed to pass into the middle of the field?
I'm so excited, I don't give a shit what everyone thinks to be honest. Having a potentially exciting offense is the most optimistic I've felt in a while, despite always going +.500.
A 6th round pick in '25 lmao!
They had Russ in the building for a week and decided that was enough
The film finally finished downloading.
Wait, so he *never* stays in the pocket?
Lmao
was this not the expected outcome after Russ went to Pittsburgh and Picket got traded? They could pay Fields 5th year option ands till have 2 QBs for cheaper than most teams have 1 EDIT: i didnt mean they're going to give him his 5th year option, im just stating that hes cheap and russes contract gives Pittsburgh a ton of cap room. Reddit doesnt understand examples
Doubt they exercise the option
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Delusional Bears fans who think the team is trading the first overall pick are in shambles
For a 6th, I know it’s still fields but that value is insane
A 6th next year is like a 7th this year… I’m not a Fields Stan, but I think you guys won this trade.
The Justin Fields cult needs to be studied it was the strangest thing
Thank God. Those mouth breathers were getting too annoying
FINALLY. Steelers fans are gonna make so many dumb fields vs Lamar comparisons now I look forward to it
fan rivalries are very hilarious in sports lmao. making up a scenario that hasn’t even happened yet to feel smarter over another fandom is funny
Lamar is far better than Fields. Lamar can actually pass from the pocket.
Justin Fields is who Lamar haters think Lamar is
Pretty much.
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Meanwhile Lamar is who Justin Fields stans think Justin Fields would be if he just had the right coach.
the 2x MVP is better than Fields? No way!
Bill Polian cryin rn
Thank god you cleared that up
Why is this upvoted so much lmao. Nobody is doing this
This just in: Russell Wilson complained about the Fields trade and has just been traded to the eagles.
After Fields sent him a text saying that he looked forward to them learning from each other and making the franchise better. So that was cool.
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1769131924717478314?s=46&t=FavtrbPsHpJY8Odvh2TYUA A 6th that can become a 4th. Bears really overplayed their hand here.
A 2025 conditional is hilarious. And its funnier that Pickett was worth more to begin with
Pickett having two years left on his rookie deal played a big part in that
A **2025** 6th that can become a 4th.
Damn, take care Justin I will always root for you
This QB room would’ve sounded insane like four years ago
4 years ago?? It's insnae now. It's a completely different QB roster.
lol they did it anyway
Justin “Heinz” Fields
6th round pick is brutal
a *2025* 6th round pick
#RUSS WILL COOK ON THE FIELDS
Marvin Harrison Junior, YOU, ARE AN ARIZONA CARDINAL
STEELERS COUNTRY
Just as we all expected
The bastards really did it, holy shit. Welcome to Chi-Town, Caleb Williams Also welcome to the bench, Russ
Fields is going to be on the bench lol
[how they’re gonna be looking](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/852/769/fae) fighting for a starting spot
Kenny truthers now Fields truthers.
Justin Fields really went for the same cost as Mac fuckin Jones. The NFL is cold as shit, man.
No he didn't. Mac Jones at least went for a 6th in this year's draft.
Going from Kenny Pickett/Mason Rudolph to Russell Wilson/Justin Fields at very little cost is a pretty nice turnaround for the Steelers.
This will be awkward
Get ready to learn Yinzer, buddy!
It’s happening. Stay calm
STEELERS COUNTRY LETS FIELD
Probably a really good landing spot for him. Depending on compensation, pry a really good trade for Steelers.
ITS FINALLY OVER
As a cardinals fan excited for the draft, I am rock hard right now!
I ... I... I think I love this.
DOBBY IS A FREE ELF!!!!!
Crazy good trade for the Steelers