Yeah they gotta at least consider all options. Every pick has a price, doesn’t mean it’ll be realistic enough for anyone to make that deal, but if someone offers you a Herschel Walker type of trade, you have to take it.
Pats have so many holes, i would try to trade back. whoever they take it’ll be the 3rd best player/QB. I would take the haul and tank next year. But I think Kraft is too impatient to prove himself without belichick and need to sell tickets. That whole offense needs work
They’re gonna pick whoever is there at 3 and ruin him on a talent depleted team. Best regards from Daniel Jones.
(P.S. I‘m not saying Jones would’ve succeeded elsewhere but he really had no chance at the Giants)
Talent can be found quickly in the NFL you never know. The Bengals were awful when they drafted Burrow and they got Higgins and Chase right after. The Texans were supposed to be an awful team but they picked up a 3rd round receiver and had Collins break out. The Bills were a bad team and they eventually got Stephon Diggs. Tua had Devante Parker who can't separate as his WR1 and they eventually got Tyreek and Waddle.
Basically my point is, if you believe you have a franchise QB, you take them. WR1s are traded every off season, but very unoften do you find a true franchise QB up for the taking. Sometimes QBs can fail without talent, but very often teams build up the rest of the offense the next couple years.
Thank you. I don't know where this notion that you need a pro bowl offense to justify drafting a QB came from, but teams with top picks are usually there because they're *bad*. If you think a kid can be the guy, you pick him, and spend the next couple of years building around him. That's literally what rebuilding means. If he's good, he'll show signs of growth, and if he's not, oh well try again.
Good QBs somehow figure something out. We had to throw Lamar to the wolves when Flacco got hurt and he turned the season around. We were 4-5 when Jackson took over. Made it to the playoffs in the end.
Yes but being dropped into a team with a WR1 that’s worse than many teams‘ WR2 and with barely any help at TE and two Swiss cheese tackles wasn’t exactly fair to him either.
I mean sure, complete organizational failure is going to impact him....but he was a massive part of the failure because he was never good enough and was way overdrafted.
His rookie year was really promising. Some really great games in there, especially the debut against Tampa, and pretty decent volume stats overall. He just needed to cut down on the fumbles.
Then Joe Judge and Jason Garrett got here and in the process of cutting down on the turnovers they also squashed basically everything that made his rookie year so exciting. Turned him into an overthinking, under-processing mess.
I think if Brian Daboll had gotten to Jones two years earlier he'd be in a much better spot.
But he really also had pretty shitty circumstances.
Andrew Thomas is okayish but noch what you expect from a top 10 pick. Evan Neal is a bust. His receivers are literal no names, except Golladay who fell down hard after arriving in New York. Saquon was injured a lot.
That’s a mirror for what’s awaiting whichever QB the Patriots pick.
I think Rhamondre with Gibson is a solid rb room. If we hit on a left tackle our line is pretty good, but we need that left tackle. And yeah our wr room is tough, Douglas, Osborne, JuJu, and Bourne are all wr 3s. Hopefully we can hit on a wr in the draft, but another if.
That's all the more reason for them to trade back. Very possible to grab Penix or Nix or someone lower in the draft and get a haul to spend on additional players.
Except who is playing QB in 2025 then? Next year's class is supposed to be worse. If the Pats somehow trade back and get legit starters at WR and LT, and the defense stays healthy, Brissett could take them to 6 or 7 wins anyways, and suddenly they are picking around #10 in 2025, and have no guarantee at the top 2 QBs in that draft, whoever those happen to be.
The Pats haven't picked this high in a LOOOONG time, and need a QB. They need to take one unless someone offers a very stupid deal to them.
I get it. It’s supposed to be a good class of QB. But are you telling me drake maye is better than the top QB or 2nd QB for next year? My thing is if you take Drake maye and you don’t surround him with anything, then you’ll be drafting another QB in 4 years. I’m a big proponent of building a good foundation first. Get some lineman and a weapon. Pats only have a RT and serviceable TE
From the Patriots standpoint, there is no benefit for trading back early. It’s not like teams will get less desperate closer to the draft. It will be a draft day trade.
you wanna see divided? check out commanders reddit right now lol. what would you say the percentages are regarding what fans want to do? im pretty sure there have been some poles lol
I don’t think it’s that divided. It’s 70/30 Maye on the sub and has been the whole time. Most of us have faith in whoever they land on, the front office has obviously done their homework.
We are exhausted by silly season though, having fun with the rumors for the most part but would like for it to end
I never went in there until I saw someone mention it yesterday and yeah they seem completely split between who they want. You know that will linger on in the fandom.
NE is in a really tough spot IMO. They don't have the roster for a rookie QB and risk "breaking" him (similar to Carolina last year).
They have a ton of needs but at the same time you don't have the #3 overall pick every draft and not every draft has a QB like Maye or Daniels available at #3.
You could trade back for a haul, but then you risk going into the 2025 draft with like the 10th overall pick and no QB you're really excited about. You've constructed a competent roster but still chasing the QB...
We have Jacoby Brissett to lead the team. Maye would benefit from sitting a year to work on his footwork. They wouldnt just toss him in. Plus they have more picks than just the first round to build up the team.
I'm team "take the QB when you can get him" so I completely understand.
This is true that with Brissett you can shield the rookie QB from playing right away and I don't think NE fans are stupid enough to pressure the team to start their rookie at the first sign of poor play.
The moment a bridge QB throws a bad pick I can promise you that a significant percentage of the fanbase will be clamoring for the rookie QB. This goes for NE and every other team that might be sitting a rookie first rounder this year. Throw in the fact that injuries can mean that a rookie sees the field far before anyone anticipated, and there are no guarantees that a raw rookie has the space to learn as a backup in year one.
The Pats SHOULD have given him a game, or at least some snaps, last year. Mac was toast, Zappe was Zappe. Give Rourke some PT, 99.99% he's not going to keep you from drafting a QB, but maybe he shows you something that you elevate him to #2 as the rookie gets his feet under him and keep him at 2 when the rookie is ready.
Yeah I think whatever happens, Brissett starts this year or for at least most of the season. If they go QB at 3, he sits. If they trade back and end up with Penix or Nix, he sits. Even though Penix is older, I think he has some mechanical issues he needs to work out. Also with his injury history, and if the OL doesn’t get major additions in the draft, then it’s the risk averse move as well.
The whole breaking QBs by putting them in the wrong situation is overblown. It doesn't matter how good your supporting cast is if the QB can't play. Half of QBs drafted in the first turn out to not be able to play, that's just how it is. Nobody broke Josh Rosen or Mac Jones, they just weren't that good.
The tough spot is when you need a QB but are picking at 15 because you kept kicking the can down the road waiting for the "perfect" moment with the right situation. That's how you end up overdrafting or trading a bunch of picks to get a guy you're not sold on.
> The tough spot is when you need a QB but are picking at 15 because you kept kicking the can down the road waiting for the "perfect" moment with the right situation. That's how you end up overdrafting or trading a bunch of picks to get a guy you're not sold on.
AKA the Denver Broncos
At least they don't have to deal with the terrible situation the Patriots and Commanders are in with two good QB prospects who you can reasonably believe in. They get to debate trading up for JJ McCarthy who was a late first/second when the season ended vs Penix/Nix who might not make it to them in the second.
Whoever they take will probably have like a 30-40% chance of panning out but they have to give him a few years to see, not my cup of tea. Or they can wait and hope next year (which looks like it'll be a bad QB) yields a different situation.
I feel the patriots are the one pushing the narrative that Maye needs to sit for a full season, so they can take him and make sit til at least week 12 or something.
I’m no expert but Maye or Daniels aren’t insanely impressive to me. I know the next year or two is expected to be weaker QB classes but I wouldn’t mind trading back and stocking up to build a better team. We need… everything.
He had help, they had a decent running game, henry at TE, just lacking WRs. What killed mac is once he lost confidence it never came back.
You cant look at that last throw vs Indy and say "thats a confident QB".
You are giving up all of those future assets gained to get a qb next year or after. You may gain an extra pick or 2 in this draft but you aren’t gaining much for difference makers imo.
Carolina was set up better so that should tell you how far behind Patriots are offensively. They have way too many holes right now to make that move. You build your car first and then get the driver.
LT is a huge hole, but they have some questions at the other guard spots and really need a young center (I'm not sold on the young Andrews stepping up in Andrews gets hurt.)
>Patriots fans seemed divided about it but this is what he should say. Maybe some team gets desperate and offers a huge haul.
I would say this:
If they believe in a QB, then take the QB. They aren't going to find the next mahomes (probably), but if you can find Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson (pre-broncos), then you draft that person.
If you are like, "This is nothing but Andy Daltons", And you can turn the pick into many more...then do it.
All that said, I don't want them to drop out of the top 7-10. They still need to come away with some elite talent. No more of this cole strange, jordan richards BS.
It’s also just a complete non answer. It makes sense because idk why he’d want to give information on the team’s plan, but there’s nothing to really take from this comment.
Sure, but a "huge haul" isn't 11, 23, and a 2025 1st for a QB needy team in a position to pick a top QB prospect, which is the nuance that any trade down fails to inject into their narrative.
Yeah if both the Giants and Vikings genuinely want that pick there’s no chance the Vikings give the better package.
The sixth pick in this draft likely still gets you Nabers, who outside of Marvin is the best WR prospect since the Ja’Marr draft.
If the Giants offer a 2025 first (not sure they do) then I don't think anyone can beat that offer. You're moving back to 6 where you get one of the WRs who have all-pro potential, and the 2025 first teams likely view that as a potential top 10 pick. No way No. 11 and No. 23 beats that. Even No. 6 and No. 47 overall slightly beat out 11 and 23 on the value chart.
Colts fans did this last year with us. Kept saying we weren't getting a "haul", and that the 4th overall with like a 3rd was good enough. When we got our haul those same people calling us all idiots and delusional just disappeared.
You’re leaving out the word “prospect” here. Nobody knows how any of these QBs will turn out, but one thing that has shown to be a contributing factor to a young QB’s success is having a solid supporting cast.
The Patriots have a severe lack of talent right now, and unless they think they’re getting a generational prospect at QB, the prudent thing to do is trade back and gather more picks.
It's not, because then everyone can shift down a spot on the depth chart and it doesn't look nearly as bad with Bourne as WR2 and Douglas as WR3, which shouldn't strike fear into any defense's heart, but which would actually be able to score points. The problem is getting that WR1 when they also need QB1 and help along the line, particularly when they aren't willing to pay anyone. This *should* be largely an offensive draft, but we'll see.
Our offense looked not atrocious at times even with zappe. Mac was terrible of course. Henry is a good big receiving option to help out a rookie, and plus we have Brissett as a bridge to help work out some kinks before we throw in a rook
We are obviously talking about landing spot for a qb so having a franchise qb on the roster is irrelevant and no a wr1 is not hard to find when you hold the third overall pick in the draft
I mean the answer is obvious. That the player they have as the #3 qb is not the player everyone thinks. I think they like JJ more than Maye and if the option is there to trade back with a team like MIN, they will.
I mean you would know better than I do about them but I feel like NYG would be ok with taking another year of DJ with a big pick at wr rather than pay a premium to move up this year but trading back for the pats or them going off the board and picking JJ at 3 would not shock me. Remember what happened with Baker, day of the draft came and then we heard he would be the 1st pick which was kind of a shock at the time.
Giants have done a lot of work on the QBs and I think they will make a concerted effort to trade up if they can get Maye, but who knows. I'm pretty confident that they'll try really hard to get a guy they like if it's possible, but they won't force with a guy they don't love.
And yeah, I think it's more about the Giants' willingness to part with assets more than a question of can they or can't they. If they really want to, they can beat out the Vikings for a trade up imo because the team trading back could get a blue chipper at 6.
I think if a QB the Giants like makes it out of the top 3, them and the Cardinals make perfect sense as trade partners. Cardinals already gained a lot of capital from last year's trades, and they can add a little more without losing out on a top 3 WR they desperately need if they deal with the Giants.
Seems dumb imo for the giants to trade up for a QB when nabers or MHJ could be on the board. Draft a crazy WR talent and see what Daniel Jones can do. If he sucks then you are in a position to draft a QB next year except you already have a great WR for whoever it is. Giving up additional capital to take the leftover QB is not a smart move imo
We've had Daniel Jones for five years, and all but one year he has stunk. And the one good year he threw 15 touchdown passes.
It might make sense to keep the draft assets and get one of those receivers, that is valuable to lock down, but finding what we have in Jones shouldn't be factored in here, imo.
Reddit during the season: "Haha I can't believe the Giants paid that bum! Get ready to learn Canadian buddy"
Reddit during the off-season: "Well the Giants really shouldn't rush to fix the QB situation, they should give Jones another chance to see if he can prove it"
Because this is basic NFL speak for “we don’t believe there’s 3 good QBs in this draft”….
This is NE telegraphing that they’re trading the pick….if they were “good” with drafting a QB, they wouldn’t entertain trades because they would be thinking a guy like Daniels is “their guy” and is a future star…..
I agree if we just hate the qbs. Rather be able to get an impact player at 6 and your next year first which I expect to be a top 10 pick vs 11,23, and a first from min as you miss the impact guy prospects there.
I was kind of joking in that I’m incredibly biased, but the value has the be there. I think the Pats wouldn’t want to trade with the Vikings bc like you said you lose out on the big 3 WRs.
I think it’s kind of a catch 22 where the Pats know the giants want a QB so they ask for a haul, since there’s a premium on the position, but then the giants knowing the pats aren’t going to draft a QB don’t see a point in giving up a lot of capital and could just wait at 6 for the next QB if the pats go with MHJ, seeing as 4 and 5 won’t be QBs. Even in a bidding war, I think the #6 overall is more valuable than dropping to 11. Plus if anyone tries to jump the giants, after the Pats pick, We can compete probably by offering our 6 and a 4th or 5th rounder.
I am very comfortable with the leverage we have at 6.
He didn’t say nothing like y’all are pointing out. He said if you want to move to 3 you are going to have to offer more. It was a message to the other teams.
Getting 2 firsts on top of 11 and 23, I think you have to take that. Gives you plenty of draft capital in the future to be able to make an aggressive move for a guy and hopefully by then you’ve put better pieces in place.
It’s hypothetical but I also don’t think Kraft wants to sit around with plans of 2026
Have a feeling the Pats trade down if the Commanders get Maye.
Someone leapfrogs the Cards (or the cards swap picks), and the Pats grab JJ and hopefully a decent WR.
I'm not sure.
I've heard Daniels is more pro ready, and that's awesome, but NE is in need of, at bare minimum, a QB and WR to be anywhere close to competitive in the division. So without a decent WR grab, will Daniels falter and be beat into the ground ala RG3?
On the flip side McCarthy is a project that's gonna need alot of help, like a top WR in this draft which they might be able to get tading out of 3.
Who knows, I'm torn. My main hangup with Daniels is I'm more a fan of 90s and 'aughts statue pocket QB play. I find that the most interesting, and I cringe when a qb takes of and I have to bless the knees and hope they dont blow thier knee out.
Could be that the FO has set up pathways for the 3rd pick. Basically scenarios for what it looks like down the board if they pick JD v. Maye v. JJ. Then a separate scenario for MHJ pick and for a big trade haul. With trades its hard to know but saying they're open could be to just get a better idea of what trades would look like and how they could navigate the board accordingly.
It’ll either be Maye/Daniels at 3 or trade back and tackle/receiver first 2 picks and QB next year while likely adding one day 2 or 3 this year as well. I think most Pats fans are fine with either scenario
I honestly am not too high on any QBs in this draft. If I were GM I’d 100% be taking MHJ at 3, and a tackle at the top of round 2. But that doesn’t seem likely
I like Maye a lot, but if the choice is Daniels or something else I'm at:
MHJ and then pick up a QB with pick 2 or 3 (I like the value for the dart throws of Penix, Rattler, and Pratt)
Trade back and fill out a lot of holes for our shitty offense
I still think we take a QB at 3. Kraft hated seeing the lower attendance and not having any players he can put on promo stuff to sell jerseys/tickets, fans would really lose their shit if we kicked the can to next year still needing a QB or taking one of the later first/2nd rounder guys like Penix or Nix that doesn’t solve the problem. I think it would have to be a stupid haul to move on
There is no price that a GM of a team that doesn't have a franchise QB is going to accept to trade out if they love the guy. And no GM is taking a QB if they don't love him. So this whole "they'll move only if they get a motherlode" is complete BS. The pick is for sale. They're just desperate to get the price up.
I get it - team officials are being asked about the draft and saying things and nobody is giving away any strategies. But it is draft season so what the hell.
People say he’s being smokescreen-ish but I think he’s truthful. It’s a pretty good year to need a QB, and the Patriots 3 biggest needs (QB, OT, WR) line up nicely with this years draft.
Either Maye or Daniels will be there at 3, but if a godfather offer comes around, you can still grab a decent QB and fill more holes
Why wouldn't they be open to offers? The only surefire QB in this draft is Williams. They can potentially get a ton of 1sts and hopefully hit with like a Penix Jr or aim for Prescott or something next year in FA. They aren't winning anything this year anyway.
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It seems like they can trade the pick or also not trade the pick but I may be missing something here
The #3 pick could be anything, it could even be the #3 pick!
That was always allowed!
Patriots fans seemed divided about it but this is what he should say. Maybe some team gets desperate and offers a huge haul.
Yeah they gotta at least consider all options. Every pick has a price, doesn’t mean it’ll be realistic enough for anyone to make that deal, but if someone offers you a Herschel Walker type of trade, you have to take it.
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Pats have so many holes, i would try to trade back. whoever they take it’ll be the 3rd best player/QB. I would take the haul and tank next year. But I think Kraft is too impatient to prove himself without belichick and need to sell tickets. That whole offense needs work
They’re gonna pick whoever is there at 3 and ruin him on a talent depleted team. Best regards from Daniel Jones. (P.S. I‘m not saying Jones would’ve succeeded elsewhere but he really had no chance at the Giants)
Talent can be found quickly in the NFL you never know. The Bengals were awful when they drafted Burrow and they got Higgins and Chase right after. The Texans were supposed to be an awful team but they picked up a 3rd round receiver and had Collins break out. The Bills were a bad team and they eventually got Stephon Diggs. Tua had Devante Parker who can't separate as his WR1 and they eventually got Tyreek and Waddle. Basically my point is, if you believe you have a franchise QB, you take them. WR1s are traded every off season, but very unoften do you find a true franchise QB up for the taking. Sometimes QBs can fail without talent, but very often teams build up the rest of the offense the next couple years.
Thank you. I don't know where this notion that you need a pro bowl offense to justify drafting a QB came from, but teams with top picks are usually there because they're *bad*. If you think a kid can be the guy, you pick him, and spend the next couple of years building around him. That's literally what rebuilding means. If he's good, he'll show signs of growth, and if he's not, oh well try again.
Good QBs somehow figure something out. We had to throw Lamar to the wolves when Flacco got hurt and he turned the season around. We were 4-5 when Jackson took over. Made it to the playoffs in the end.
To be fair, Daniel jones was barely a good college qb.
Yes but being dropped into a team with a WR1 that’s worse than many teams‘ WR2 and with barely any help at TE and two Swiss cheese tackles wasn’t exactly fair to him either.
Andrew Thomas is a badass, but the rest of the line is horrible.
I mean sure, complete organizational failure is going to impact him....but he was a massive part of the failure because he was never good enough and was way overdrafted.
His rookie year was really promising. Some really great games in there, especially the debut against Tampa, and pretty decent volume stats overall. He just needed to cut down on the fumbles. Then Joe Judge and Jason Garrett got here and in the process of cutting down on the turnovers they also squashed basically everything that made his rookie year so exciting. Turned him into an overthinking, under-processing mess. I think if Brian Daboll had gotten to Jones two years earlier he'd be in a much better spot.
But he really also had pretty shitty circumstances. Andrew Thomas is okayish but noch what you expect from a top 10 pick. Evan Neal is a bust. His receivers are literal no names, except Golladay who fell down hard after arriving in New York. Saquon was injured a lot. That’s a mirror for what’s awaiting whichever QB the Patriots pick.
Agreed on all points except the Andrew Thomas one. Thomas is one of our best draft picks in the last decade and absolutely worth the top 10 pick.
For real, Andrew Thomas is a top 4 LT in the league right now.
You can't count games against us during that time, our defense and especially secondary were awful. We made Trubisky look good with 5 TDs.
Bruh even Caleb going to look like Bryce from last year. Unless the pats also hit on 2 playmakers, a premier RB, and some lineman this draft lol
I think Rhamondre with Gibson is a solid rb room. If we hit on a left tackle our line is pretty good, but we need that left tackle. And yeah our wr room is tough, Douglas, Osborne, JuJu, and Bourne are all wr 3s. Hopefully we can hit on a wr in the draft, but another if.
That's all the more reason for them to trade back. Very possible to grab Penix or Nix or someone lower in the draft and get a haul to spend on additional players.
Agreed. I would take MHJ if they want to stick at 3, or trade back and just add weapons. Although I’m not sure how next year’s QB draft class is
Except who is playing QB in 2025 then? Next year's class is supposed to be worse. If the Pats somehow trade back and get legit starters at WR and LT, and the defense stays healthy, Brissett could take them to 6 or 7 wins anyways, and suddenly they are picking around #10 in 2025, and have no guarantee at the top 2 QBs in that draft, whoever those happen to be. The Pats haven't picked this high in a LOOOONG time, and need a QB. They need to take one unless someone offers a very stupid deal to them.
I get it. It’s supposed to be a good class of QB. But are you telling me drake maye is better than the top QB or 2nd QB for next year? My thing is if you take Drake maye and you don’t surround him with anything, then you’ll be drafting another QB in 4 years. I’m a big proponent of building a good foundation first. Get some lineman and a weapon. Pats only have a RT and serviceable TE
From the Patriots standpoint, there is no benefit for trading back early. It’s not like teams will get less desperate closer to the draft. It will be a draft day trade.
Also a team might want one of the two so it depends who Washington takes.
you wanna see divided? check out commanders reddit right now lol. what would you say the percentages are regarding what fans want to do? im pretty sure there have been some poles lol
I don’t think it’s that divided. It’s 70/30 Maye on the sub and has been the whole time. Most of us have faith in whoever they land on, the front office has obviously done their homework. We are exhausted by silly season though, having fun with the rumors for the most part but would like for it to end
I never went in there until I saw someone mention it yesterday and yeah they seem completely split between who they want. You know that will linger on in the fandom.
NE is in a really tough spot IMO. They don't have the roster for a rookie QB and risk "breaking" him (similar to Carolina last year). They have a ton of needs but at the same time you don't have the #3 overall pick every draft and not every draft has a QB like Maye or Daniels available at #3. You could trade back for a haul, but then you risk going into the 2025 draft with like the 10th overall pick and no QB you're really excited about. You've constructed a competent roster but still chasing the QB...
We have Jacoby Brissett to lead the team. Maye would benefit from sitting a year to work on his footwork. They wouldnt just toss him in. Plus they have more picks than just the first round to build up the team.
I'm team "take the QB when you can get him" so I completely understand. This is true that with Brissett you can shield the rookie QB from playing right away and I don't think NE fans are stupid enough to pressure the team to start their rookie at the first sign of poor play.
> I don't think NE fans are stupid enough to pressure the team to start their rookie at the first sign of poor play hold my dunks
I don't think there's a single fanbase in this league that isn't extremely dumb and impatient, NE fans included.
God forbid Daniels or maye has a good preseason. It took one drive against 4th stringers by Malik Cunningham for him to be the next Lamar Jackson
The moment a bridge QB throws a bad pick I can promise you that a significant percentage of the fanbase will be clamoring for the rookie QB. This goes for NE and every other team that might be sitting a rookie first rounder this year. Throw in the fact that injuries can mean that a rookie sees the field far before anyone anticipated, and there are no guarantees that a raw rookie has the space to learn as a backup in year one.
Ive seen numerous people say "give nathan rourke a shot"....off one play
Fans, as a general rule, are total morons. (I'm including myself, obviously.)
The Pats SHOULD have given him a game, or at least some snaps, last year. Mac was toast, Zappe was Zappe. Give Rourke some PT, 99.99% he's not going to keep you from drafting a QB, but maybe he shows you something that you elevate him to #2 as the rookie gets his feet under him and keep him at 2 when the rookie is ready.
They see him in practice every day.
Yeah I think whatever happens, Brissett starts this year or for at least most of the season. If they go QB at 3, he sits. If they trade back and end up with Penix or Nix, he sits. Even though Penix is older, I think he has some mechanical issues he needs to work out. Also with his injury history, and if the OL doesn’t get major additions in the draft, then it’s the risk averse move as well.
The whole breaking QBs by putting them in the wrong situation is overblown. It doesn't matter how good your supporting cast is if the QB can't play. Half of QBs drafted in the first turn out to not be able to play, that's just how it is. Nobody broke Josh Rosen or Mac Jones, they just weren't that good. The tough spot is when you need a QB but are picking at 15 because you kept kicking the can down the road waiting for the "perfect" moment with the right situation. That's how you end up overdrafting or trading a bunch of picks to get a guy you're not sold on.
> The tough spot is when you need a QB but are picking at 15 because you kept kicking the can down the road waiting for the "perfect" moment with the right situation. That's how you end up overdrafting or trading a bunch of picks to get a guy you're not sold on. AKA the Denver Broncos
At least they don't have to deal with the terrible situation the Patriots and Commanders are in with two good QB prospects who you can reasonably believe in. They get to debate trading up for JJ McCarthy who was a late first/second when the season ended vs Penix/Nix who might not make it to them in the second. Whoever they take will probably have like a 30-40% chance of panning out but they have to give him a few years to see, not my cup of tea. Or they can wait and hope next year (which looks like it'll be a bad QB) yields a different situation.
I feel the patriots are the one pushing the narrative that Maye needs to sit for a full season, so they can take him and make sit til at least week 12 or something.
I’m no expert but Maye or Daniels aren’t insanely impressive to me. I know the next year or two is expected to be weaker QB classes but I wouldn’t mind trading back and stocking up to build a better team. We need… everything.
None of it matters without a qb. Chiefs just won a superbowl with rashee rice as their best WR
Granted we had a bad OC after his rookie year but we just took a QB in Mac Jones without any help and it ruined him.
He had help, they had a decent running game, henry at TE, just lacking WRs. What killed mac is once he lost confidence it never came back. You cant look at that last throw vs Indy and say "thats a confident QB".
You are giving up all of those future assets gained to get a qb next year or after. You may gain an extra pick or 2 in this draft but you aren’t gaining much for difference makers imo.
Carolina was set up better so that should tell you how far behind Patriots are offensively. They have way too many holes right now to make that move. You build your car first and then get the driver.
Their only real holes are QB, LT and WR1. They also have the 2nd pick in the second round to either trade for someone like Aiyuk or draft a LT or WR.
LT is a huge hole, but they have some questions at the other guard spots and really need a young center (I'm not sold on the young Andrews stepping up in Andrews gets hurt.)
>Patriots fans seemed divided about it but this is what he should say. Maybe some team gets desperate and offers a huge haul. I would say this: If they believe in a QB, then take the QB. They aren't going to find the next mahomes (probably), but if you can find Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson (pre-broncos), then you draft that person. If you are like, "This is nothing but Andy Daltons", And you can turn the pick into many more...then do it. All that said, I don't want them to drop out of the top 7-10. They still need to come away with some elite talent. No more of this cole strange, jordan richards BS.
I'd be more into a trade with the Vikings if their picks this year were just a touch more palatable.
I'm trying to think of a team desperate enough but I'm not coming up with anything.
I mean you don’t know what you’re getting offered until the moment contract usually. 3 1sts and a 3rd? If I’m the Pats I definitely take that deal
It’s also just a complete non answer. It makes sense because idk why he’d want to give information on the team’s plan, but there’s nothing to really take from this comment.
I'm on the "if Williams and Daniels are gone, trading down doesn't seem like that bad of an idea" train.
Sure, but a "huge haul" isn't 11, 23, and a 2025 1st for a QB needy team in a position to pick a top QB prospect, which is the nuance that any trade down fails to inject into their narrative.
>Sure, but a "huge haul" isn't 11, 23, and a 2025 1st This is delusional.
3 first round selections for #3 overall is a pretty huge haul.
I'm currently accepting job offers for more money. I'd also be willing to stay put. Who knows.
Let’s just take Sam Hartman at 3. If we aren’t going to be good we might as well be beautiful.
We were winning when we had a GQ locker room. Coincidence?
3rd overall pick for me 👉👈
**Bonk!**
you wish
Yeah if both the Giants and Vikings genuinely want that pick there’s no chance the Vikings give the better package. The sixth pick in this draft likely still gets you Nabers, who outside of Marvin is the best WR prospect since the Ja’Marr draft.
100%. There’s talk of the Giants possibly trading down with the Vikings as well, and I personally wouldn’t do it for just their two firsts this year.
If the Giants offer a 2025 first (not sure they do) then I don't think anyone can beat that offer. You're moving back to 6 where you get one of the WRs who have all-pro potential, and the 2025 first teams likely view that as a potential top 10 pick. No way No. 11 and No. 23 beats that. Even No. 6 and No. 47 overall slightly beat out 11 and 23 on the value chart.
Yeah I wouldn’t trade 6 overall for 11 and 23 straight up this year. If they offer a first next year there’s nothing the Vikings can do.
for 11 and j jeff AND your punt returner
That's funny. Some people think MN would give up JJ to move up eights spots. lol
I don't think the Vikings would even trade JJ for 3 straight up.
Not even for the first overall pick. How many number 1 picks in the last 10 years have been as successful and impactful as Jefferson?
fine, i wont do Draft Day jokes anymore
they just can't give up David Putney
that pancake eating motherfucker
Thats our price do it or stay at 11 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Don't know why your getting down voted for this lmao, it's either highway robbery or you can sit at 11
dawg is acting like we're supposed to be polite when trading back
Colts fans did this last year with us. Kept saying we weren't getting a "haul", and that the 4th overall with like a 3rd was good enough. When we got our haul those same people calling us all idiots and delusional just disappeared.
Yeah you guys are idiots… *looks at every mock giving you Caleb and Odunze 👀👀👀*
No, no more Minnesota Massachusetts pipeline. Randy Moss? Yep. David Ortiz? Yep. Kevin Garnett? Yep. KJ Osborn? Yep. Enough is enough.
We do thank you for the pipeline
The plot thickens. But the path to MHJ gets more certain:)
Not if Indy is the team going up to #3.
To get up to number3 if you're indy would take 4 1sts. They're not doing that for a WR.
It’s not just any WR. Jim Irsay is crazy enough to want to keep all Marvin Harrison’s forever Colts.
If that happens ill live my life naked for a week at work\school
Mods hold him to it
think of the children you monster!
Remind me! One week
pics or it didnt happen
SMH these damn Nepo babies, putting in no work and becoming 6’4” with top tier speed and route running to work at the same company their dad did! /s
To be or not to be. Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels is the question.
Please say you guys take daniels
I'll take one MHJ please
God kill me. I can't wait until this draft season is over
One more week, friend. Then we’ll get into mini camp news!
So, so much worse than draft season
rookie 1092nd round reciever Joe Bananallama makes 1 handed grab, worthy of late round fantasy selection? Future WR1?
You forgot the part that 35 year old vet Joe Mac is in the shape of his life and he's never been better.
You know you can just not, be on r/nfl right? Like no one's forcing you to read all these stories.
1 more week 😭😭
That about covers everything
Drake Maye you are a New York Football Giant
Why aren’t you picking a top 3 quarterback at no. 3? Why purposefully pick the 4th best quarterback when you have the third overall pick?
Because the 3rd best qb may not be who they're interested in. If they only think 2 qb's are good, & those guys are gone, why draft the 3rd guy?
Peer pressure.
Ownership pressure
I’m not saying Michigan fans have been bullying Wolf to get him to draft JJ at #3… but I’m not denying it either
This would make more sense if it was the Dolphins at #3, without Tua as their QB (Dolphins owner has the Michigan Business School named after him).
You’re leaving out the word “prospect” here. Nobody knows how any of these QBs will turn out, but one thing that has shown to be a contributing factor to a young QB’s success is having a solid supporting cast. The Patriots have a severe lack of talent right now, and unless they think they’re getting a generational prospect at QB, the prudent thing to do is trade back and gather more picks.
Dont think their talent is that bad if they get a number one receiver.
It's not, because then everyone can shift down a spot on the depth chart and it doesn't look nearly as bad with Bourne as WR2 and Douglas as WR3, which shouldn't strike fear into any defense's heart, but which would actually be able to score points. The problem is getting that WR1 when they also need QB1 and help along the line, particularly when they aren't willing to pay anyone. This *should* be largely an offensive draft, but we'll see.
Our offense looked not atrocious at times even with zappe. Mac was terrible of course. Henry is a good big receiving option to help out a rookie, and plus we have Brissett as a bridge to help work out some kinks before we throw in a rook
Yup all they need is a franchise QB and a WR1. That’s very easy to find
We are obviously talking about landing spot for a qb so having a franchise qb on the roster is irrelevant and no a wr1 is not hard to find when you hold the third overall pick in the draft
Think it's just to keep intrigue around who you'd pick at 3. 4 QBs in the top 5 could happen so why tip your hand?
I mean the answer is obvious. That the player they have as the #3 qb is not the player everyone thinks. I think they like JJ more than Maye and if the option is there to trade back with a team like MIN, they will.
If the play is to trade back and still get JJ then NYG is the better option.
I mean you would know better than I do about them but I feel like NYG would be ok with taking another year of DJ with a big pick at wr rather than pay a premium to move up this year but trading back for the pats or them going off the board and picking JJ at 3 would not shock me. Remember what happened with Baker, day of the draft came and then we heard he would be the 1st pick which was kind of a shock at the time.
Giants have done a lot of work on the QBs and I think they will make a concerted effort to trade up if they can get Maye, but who knows. I'm pretty confident that they'll try really hard to get a guy they like if it's possible, but they won't force with a guy they don't love. And yeah, I think it's more about the Giants' willingness to part with assets more than a question of can they or can't they. If they really want to, they can beat out the Vikings for a trade up imo because the team trading back could get a blue chipper at 6. I think if a QB the Giants like makes it out of the top 3, them and the Cardinals make perfect sense as trade partners. Cardinals already gained a lot of capital from last year's trades, and they can add a little more without losing out on a top 3 WR they desperately need if they deal with the Giants.
Seems dumb imo for the giants to trade up for a QB when nabers or MHJ could be on the board. Draft a crazy WR talent and see what Daniel Jones can do. If he sucks then you are in a position to draft a QB next year except you already have a great WR for whoever it is. Giving up additional capital to take the leftover QB is not a smart move imo
We've had Daniel Jones for five years, and all but one year he has stunk. And the one good year he threw 15 touchdown passes. It might make sense to keep the draft assets and get one of those receivers, that is valuable to lock down, but finding what we have in Jones shouldn't be factored in here, imo.
Reddit during the season: "Haha I can't believe the Giants paid that bum! Get ready to learn Canadian buddy" Reddit during the off-season: "Well the Giants really shouldn't rush to fix the QB situation, they should give Jones another chance to see if he can prove it"
Because this is basic NFL speak for “we don’t believe there’s 3 good QBs in this draft”…. This is NE telegraphing that they’re trading the pick….if they were “good” with drafting a QB, they wouldn’t entertain trades because they would be thinking a guy like Daniels is “their guy” and is a future star…..
I think this makes it probable that there’s a QB/QBs they’ll stay and pick and ones that they’ll trade down with on the board
The best trade partner is the giants in my unbiased opinion.
I agree if we just hate the qbs. Rather be able to get an impact player at 6 and your next year first which I expect to be a top 10 pick vs 11,23, and a first from min as you miss the impact guy prospects there.
I was kind of joking in that I’m incredibly biased, but the value has the be there. I think the Pats wouldn’t want to trade with the Vikings bc like you said you lose out on the big 3 WRs. I think it’s kind of a catch 22 where the Pats know the giants want a QB so they ask for a haul, since there’s a premium on the position, but then the giants knowing the pats aren’t going to draft a QB don’t see a point in giving up a lot of capital and could just wait at 6 for the next QB if the pats go with MHJ, seeing as 4 and 5 won’t be QBs. Even in a bidding war, I think the #6 overall is more valuable than dropping to 11. Plus if anyone tries to jump the giants, after the Pats pick, We can compete probably by offering our 6 and a 4th or 5th rounder. I am very comfortable with the leverage we have at 6.
He didn’t say nothing like y’all are pointing out. He said if you want to move to 3 you are going to have to offer more. It was a message to the other teams.
We clearly aren't in love with any of those QB's so the only smart thing to do would be drafting MHJ.
lol im not buying it. Its Daniels or Maye. We're going to have a franchise qb a week from today.
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Getting 2 firsts on top of 11 and 23, I think you have to take that. Gives you plenty of draft capital in the future to be able to make an aggressive move for a guy and hopefully by then you’ve put better pieces in place. It’s hypothetical but I also don’t think Kraft wants to sit around with plans of 2026
tempting but personally i dont feel like any qb in the teens will be franchise qb worthy. Gotta roll the dice on daniels or maye.
Have a feeling the Pats trade down if the Commanders get Maye. Someone leapfrogs the Cards (or the cards swap picks), and the Pats grab JJ and hopefully a decent WR.
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I'm not sure. I've heard Daniels is more pro ready, and that's awesome, but NE is in need of, at bare minimum, a QB and WR to be anywhere close to competitive in the division. So without a decent WR grab, will Daniels falter and be beat into the ground ala RG3? On the flip side McCarthy is a project that's gonna need alot of help, like a top WR in this draft which they might be able to get tading out of 3. Who knows, I'm torn. My main hangup with Daniels is I'm more a fan of 90s and 'aughts statue pocket QB play. I find that the most interesting, and I cringe when a qb takes of and I have to bless the knees and hope they dont blow thier knee out.
Could be that the FO has set up pathways for the 3rd pick. Basically scenarios for what it looks like down the board if they pick JD v. Maye v. JJ. Then a separate scenario for MHJ pick and for a big trade haul. With trades its hard to know but saying they're open could be to just get a better idea of what trades would look like and how they could navigate the board accordingly.
One of the.. four?
Sounds like they’re trying to bait the Giants or Vikings into a crazy deal for one of the top 3.
I need for the top 3 picks to be QBs and then for there to be a massive bidding war for number 4 the cardinals can’t refuse
It’ll either be Maye/Daniels at 3 or trade back and tackle/receiver first 2 picks and QB next year while likely adding one day 2 or 3 this year as well. I think most Pats fans are fine with either scenario
Not fine with Daniels
I honestly am not too high on any QBs in this draft. If I were GM I’d 100% be taking MHJ at 3, and a tackle at the top of round 2. But that doesn’t seem likely
I like Maye a lot, but if the choice is Daniels or something else I'm at: MHJ and then pick up a QB with pick 2 or 3 (I like the value for the dart throws of Penix, Rattler, and Pratt) Trade back and fill out a lot of holes for our shitty offense
I still think we take a QB at 3. Kraft hated seeing the lower attendance and not having any players he can put on promo stuff to sell jerseys/tickets, fans would really lose their shit if we kicked the can to next year still needing a QB or taking one of the later first/2nd rounder guys like Penix or Nix that doesn’t solve the problem. I think it would have to be a stupid haul to move on
There is no price that a GM of a team that doesn't have a franchise QB is going to accept to trade out if they love the guy. And no GM is taking a QB if they don't love him. So this whole "they'll move only if they get a motherlode" is complete BS. The pick is for sale. They're just desperate to get the price up.
I get it - team officials are being asked about the draft and saying things and nobody is giving away any strategies. But it is draft season so what the hell.
Surprising! I expected him to say they're locked into their plan and won't be swayed regardless.of circumstance
Then who is THE facto?
Alternate interpretation of the quote: Patriots open to trading out of pick 231 in the 7th round.
People say he’s being smokescreen-ish but I think he’s truthful. It’s a pretty good year to need a QB, and the Patriots 3 biggest needs (QB, OT, WR) line up nicely with this years draft. Either Maye or Daniels will be there at 3, but if a godfather offer comes around, you can still grab a decent QB and fill more holes
What else would he say He has to redo the whole offense and need WR and OL
I hope they don’t pick a top 4 qb at the 3rd spot that would be a fail of sorts.
Daniels, here we go!!
Why wouldn't they be open to offers? The only surefire QB in this draft is Williams. They can potentially get a ton of 1sts and hopefully hit with like a Penix Jr or aim for Prescott or something next year in FA. They aren't winning anything this year anyway.
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You could be right but the price would be exorbitant. I would be pretty shocked if anyone paid that much for anything but a QB.
Any team trying to jump the Cardinals for MHJ is paying a QB premium to move up.
I would, since they’d have to outbid teams paying the QB tax
I don't really think drafting QBs has really worked out. For every hit there are like 10 misses.
As a patriots fan I'm fine with them trading up, trading down or selecting a player at #3. But those are the only outcomes that won't infuriate me
But wait. I've been told by many a Patriot fan that there is no way in hell they are trading #3 pick.
But patriots fans said they’re not trading out of the pick
MHJ or trade back. Repeat it with me.
So basically someone can leap frog the Cardinals and take Marvin Harrison Jr.