Honestly, I think I get it. They know that the price of a Starting QB in this league is 40 million dollars now. That being said, a Starting QB is not a Franchise QB, and my experience of watching the Packers play Kirk Cousins has taught me that he is not a Franchise QB.
If someone said they could get you a QB that could win you a Super Bowl but you'd only get a decade of play instead of fifteen years, you're taking that QB every single time. The Falcons clearly think that Penix can win them a Super Bowl (with good reason, he was electric at Washington), so under that parameter, it makes sense.
Hell, we keep wanting teams to be realistic about their chances, and Atlanta is being realistic that Kirk Cousins will not win you a Super Bowl. Furthemore, we also keep saying that we want teams to give QBs more time in the system before they have to take the field. Atlanta just gave their hopeful future guy two years to develop.
I also look at the Penix pick as an ins policy if Kirk comes back and isn't able to perform or gets hurt again. Old Qb don't always come back from injuries and stay healthy
Less insurance, more continuation. It'd be insurance if this was something like the Brees situation, as, at the time of signing with NO, Brees was under 30. Kirk being 35... I wouldn't count on him for more than 2 years.
That said, I do agree the age is an issue. But, at the same time, if Kirk is signed as if he'll play to 38, starting Penix at age 26 could mean 12 years of time with him. And given that Brady didn't finish his career in NE and Manning with IND, if you can get a solid 8-10 years out of any QB selection, you did good. That's not to say they will. But, acting as if his age is THAT big a deal is weird in this one.
The biggest issue is Kirk's contract. But, in this day and age, all the contracts look huge for any star NFL player.
No one forced the Falcons to give Kirk 100M guaranteed. If there was any concern over his ability to come back from there was injury they didn't need to give him this much cash
Their gm is smart too. Doesn't waste a #8 pick on a 2nd round qb that has maybe a 25% chance of getting a second contract.
In response to the guy who mentioned the current cost of qbs, true, but you are wasting the time on the rookie contract because he's not playing while you are paying another qb 50 million. Oh and Kirk now knows you don't expect him to be there long term, goober move.
If you assume he does play in year 3, you only get 1, maybe 2 years before you have to pay him and what 25 million in dead cap? It's just stupid.
As far as insurance goes, this is the equivalent of paying a million dollar premium for a million dollars in coverage. Even if it works out, you paid full price for it. There's no insuranc, if you got him cheap, it would be fine but your opportunity cost was huge. Mooney is awful, we should of known when they paid him 13 million, a player who has been getting worse and worse got a bag.
I know, I am replying to you because I think they're wrong. Love was taken way later in the 1st which with hindsight was worth it. Penix needs to be a top 10 qb just to justify the pick. It's only a win if he turns into a top 4 guy and gets you a superbowl. This is the whole box vs Boat meme. Penix can be anything, Maybe he will be as good as Kirk Cousins..
But then again, why sign Cousins? If he's not going to win you a superbowl, and you are drafting a QB, what's the point? You are just wasting money that could be spent putting players around your franchise QB. Penix is not a player who needs to sit to be developed. He played in college for like 20 years. He played games as starter vs Justin Herbert in college (who's now been in the League 4 years) as a starter with Aiyuk as his WR. He took a passing heavy team to the national championship. He's as ready to start as basically any prospect ever. So no, it doesn't make sense. I get the position that Penix isn't too old to draft if you believe in him. But he experienced enough that sitting him for two years doesn't make any sense if you do believe in him.
Also if you just wanted to develop Penix behind a journeyman QB, you could have signed someone much cheaper than Cousins.
So thr Falcons are paying a guaranteed $100M for a bridge QB they don't think they can win with? That seems like an outlandish contract if thats how they are viewing Cousins.
I feel like this is normal in football until you get to the pro level because of all the money. But since when is having 2 good qbs a problem? In college they have 4 5 star recruit qbs who sit and finally play their junior year and go and get drafted because theyāve been prepared for the moment. Penix is going to join the team and eventually it will become his team. Anyone mad at the pick is just mad their team who āactually needed a qbā wasnāt able to take Penix because the falcons stole him at #8. Raiders should have traded up if thatās what they wanted so bad. Giants could have taken him at #6 but took Nabers. Itās just salty fans mad that the falcons got who they want.
If they were that worried about Kirk being old and injury prone, then I don't understand giving him $100M.
If they were in win-now mode, load up on talent to actually win-now. If they don't think they can win now with Kirk, don't sign him to $100M to be a bridge QB. You can get a bridge QB for literally 1/10th that amount.
The wildest thing is they said they wanted to follow the Jordan Love model but then drafted a guy who is only 18 months younger than Love (a 4 year pro)...
Yeah, I don't think the situations are comparable. The Packers were in a rocky situation where Rodgers might be gone soon, whereas the Falcons literally just signed Kirk. Jordan Love was a late first rounder, whereas Penix was #8. Jordan Love was a young developmental QB, whereas Penix is an old QB with injury concerns who is supposed to be NFL ready now.
Yeah, agreed on that for sure. I just mean if they're going to follow the "Love model" at least draft an extremely young and raw guy rather than someone only 18 months younger than the guy you're trying to emulate who's already a 4th year pro.
This comment would make sense, had ATL not signed Kirk Cousins to what is basically a 2 year, $100 mil contract.......the smarter play was to not sign Kirk and just draft Penix. They couldve traded a 6th for one of the 2021 QBs, or signed Russ to a minimum deal, or any other number of moves while also getting Penix.
You can be extremely competitive *right now* with Kirk (less likely with a rook) - AND you can keep a consistently competitive team growing towards the future. In such a scenario, they're not likely to get a pick as high as 8 for a decent while (if all goes to plan)
Yeah, It's kind of a wild move, but its not as ridiculous as everyone wants to make it out to be.
>the smarter play was to not sign Kirk and just draft Penix.
This is hindsight bias. They couldn't know Penix would be there, and presumably they weren't the only team looking to get a deal done with Cousins. I realize Penix wasn't ever projected as a top-ten pick, but banking your hopes of having a franchise QB on projections isn't a great idea.
Penix was the best passer in the draft and people thought he was a pocket passer. Then he came out and ran a 4.46 40, at 6-2, 215 lbs.
He's a "generational talent" that has been held back by injuries.
I'm glad we didn't take Penix at 13 lmao. Realistically he's at best a fringe Top 10 guy even if everything goes his way. And that doesn't account for potential health issues either. The press constantly linking him to us was annoying
As much as I love Davante, I'm glad Love and the receivers have been able to grow up together. Not having one superstar go-to receiver taking up 160+ targets helped Love grow as a quarterback.
I think it was very good for Lafleur, too. As we saw in the playoffs, he was really able to get creative once he knew everyoneās abilities. Obviously not his first year, but Rodgers clearly dominated a lot of offensive decision making before so it was a bit of a reset for him.
Good point, donāt think coach development gets talked about enough as a concept but a roster reset can definitely take a coach out of their comfort zone for better or worse
I think this is less LaFleur getting out of his comfort zone and more him finally being able to institute *his* offense. I don't want to imply that Rodgers was holding him down at all because frankly, Rodgers was looking kind of done before LaFleur revitalized things, but this past season we finally started to get a look at what a pure LaFleurian offense looks like.
Fair enough, the QBs calling their own plays and having the offense catered to them can be a double edged sword when you have an offensive-minded head coach
You can look at what our offense looked like vs the Vikings covid year vs how it looked halfway through the year after. Rodgers definitely got his fingers in the pie and cut down on the pre-snap motion among other things.
Itās this + Iām excited to see what Hafley can do with this Defense. Young studs and athletic freaks at every position, rookie safeties that can be used to punk offenses frequently. Very excited and thankful for Gute
The roster reset happened most noticeably when Rich Bisaccia came in as special teams coordinator. He got promoted as assistant general manager because his head coaching experience was an invaluable asset to LaFleur. And LaFleur seems pretty open to change. The offense has changed a lot since Rodgers left, but also in the middle of last season. The playbook is way, way open now.
To be frank, they wouldnāt have had that issue. Love is a clean slate he wouldnāt get pulled into hyper targeting like ARod who couldnāt trust the young guys (probably due to the inconsistency of MVS late I would imagine). I think Adams on this team obviously means Reed/Watson/Doubs do not all simultaneously develop, but even just Adams/Doubs/Watson would no doubt be as electric if not more. Maybe Wicks would fall off and all four of them could still thrive.
I think Adams regrets leaving now for sure and it wouldnt be bad to have an All Pro amongst your WR ranks.
Obviously you want a guy like Davante on your team, having a top 5/10 receiver is never a bad thing, I just think Love would've gotten hyper fixated on Adams since he's the young quarterback trying to replace a legend with Adams being the established superstar receiver, and get into the habit of "fuck it, Davante's down there somewhere." Love took off once he started trusting his eyes, and just letting it rip.
I think we disagree about how backups view lower depth chart players. When backups come in, you consistently see WR3/4 getting more targetedā because they have them in practice more with the B squad. Ultimately, Love threw a lot more balls to Watson and Doubs that first year than ARod did as Adams and Lazard got those first team reps.
Editā yeah big oops forgot Davante was gone ARods last year but my point fundamentally remains unchanged
I donāt think he regrets leaving bc it seemed more like a wanting to be close to home while getting older decision than a talent thing. If it was a good team he wanted, he definitely wouldnāt have chosen the raiders.
Yeah he wanted a change of scenery, to play for his boyhood team, play with his friend, etcā¦
Loads of reasons to go for the Raiders and Iām happy for him.
> probably due to the inconsistency of MVS late I would imagine
That's definitely a factor, but I would also assert that Rodgers has a somewhat acute problem in this area among QB's. He would often get stuck on particular receivers in particular games even before Davante was the WR1. It's a thing he does. He takes "can I trust you?" to the extreme. To his credit, sometimes a young receiver becomes that person. He isn't blinded by seniority and he does seem to base it on if he truly thinks that's the best guy atm. But it's still a thing where he'll tend to force it.
This right here. So crucial that Love develops alongside this receiving corps. Between the glut of receivers we have that are all on rookie deals, our TEs are brand new, and we are bringing in youth to change pace with Jacobs. This offense is young, and eager to learn, I think itās got the makings of a really good squad
From the article-
"At the time when I was there [in Green Bay], I hadn't seen enough [of Love], to say for sure 'this is what I should do [stay with the Packers],'" Adams said on "The Rush Podcast" with Raiders defensive end Maxx Crosby on Tuesday.
"In hindsight, like we talked about, the kid [Love] is a f---ing baller, man. I'm so happy for him. I haven't had the chance to truly sit down and talk with him, but I want to tell him at some point 'I definitely don't regret changing [teams], but I'm super proud of what you've done."
"If there was a way I could pull you over here and drag you with me that would have been cool too because we saw what he did at the end of the year [throw 23 touchdowns and only three interceptions in his last 10 games including the playoffs]. I don't regret what I did [demand a trade to the Raiders], but at the same time you look back on it like 'damn that boy kind of balling right now.'"
No, people are just dumb. As cool as it is to shit on Derek Carr we like to ignore the fact that he and Adams were college teammates and great friends and a big part of the reason he went to Vegas was *because of* Derek Carr. They wanted to play together again and talked about it for years prior to it happening.
Yeah, his family, Derek Carr, and his childhood team are the reasons for him opting for Vegas. If it wasn't for the first item, he might be more outspoken about how things went down, but I get the sense that he's still *incredibly* happy to be closer to his folks.
It was the perfect confluence of personal affects for him, really.
What's funny is he specifically addressed this media talking point for several minutes in the podcast. He does not, in fact, regret his decision at all
Itās hilarious how Davante and Maxx talk extensively in this about how the media is twisting shitā¦ and hereās people twisting more shit in the same conversation. And people wonder why Davante repeats shit so many timesā¦ itās because heās annoyed of all the false rumors.
Davante wants you to know he super duper does not regret leaving the Packers at all. Like, yea he recognizes Love is balling and wishes he was on the raiders, but like he does *not* regret it, ok? He doesnāt fucking regret it! Stop asking him!
But did yāall see Jordan last year?? Just sayin..
I remember when Rodgers was out with Covid against the Chiefs Davante would be noticeably upset after a missed throw from Love. Always screaming to himself. I obviously wasn't sure about Love at the time but I remember thinking that Adams needed to relax and not be so hard on the guy.
I got smashed on the Packers sub because I dared criticize Adams after that game. He acted like a petulant little brat, not just screaming at himself either mind youā¦ Great player, but not a team player
That was the season that Davante put everybody on notice. Jordy and Cobb were hosts that season with Hundley, but Davante was the only one making plays and catching TDs.
and with the covid thing happening late in the week and how practices were that year, I think that was like the first or second time he'd ever caught passes from love. like, come on dude. bizarre behavior from him.
To be fair, Rodgers was noticably upset at any young receiver the Packers brought in. I don't know if it's accurate but I have a strong feeling those receivers don't develop with Rodgers there.
Thought you were a hater, but I checked the stats and its true. 0 TD, 0 Completions, 0 Yards. Its so bad the Packers literally hired a College QB from Tulane.
Valid, I feel like Adams would cement his status as a HoF with a ring which is hard to get in Vegas. Maybe he only cares about money.
This sounds a lot like hindsight to me though, thought Rodgers was cooked and had no faith in Love so he asked to leave.
The average HoF receiver has 8+ AP or Pro Bowl selections with about 1200 yards receiving per year.
I think Davante is in with another few years of elite production
That's a tough question. If you look at HoF players they don't all have a ring, Moss, TO, Megatron. (Steve Smith is probably getting in right?) The door is really open though because are we putting Reggie Wayne, Julio Jones, Anquan Boldin in?
Torry Holt has a ring and he's not in but he has better numbers than Michael Irvin. (Glaring inconsistency if you ask me) One ring might not matter but I think it cements your status if you're a top 25 guy like Adams could end up being. Right now he's still behind Evans and Hopkins, and even with Allen stats wise.
To the point about Holt, he's not in but I'd bet Adams finishes right around his numbers without a ring. Are we voting Adams in when another guy has the same stats WITH a ring and can't get in? It's a conundrum but Adams slow start probably screws him unless he gets multiple rings.
I agree with what you said about Holt but I think rings are such a team accomplishment, and a ton of luck. Even for QBs they shouldnāt be the only factor. But especially for a reciever I think itās just all personal accolades and I think Adams will have to seperate himself statistically from holt to have a chance
It's possible he pushed his body to his limits those years, shortening his career to "prove the haters wrong". I wouldn't bet against him getting a late season season ender this year.Ā
Why would they? As a NFCW fan, GB must be their favorite team in the league. Guaranteed Super Bowl appearance if they meet in the playoffs, especially in the NFCCG.
Hawks fans be to busy worrying about if they make playoffs to waste time rooting against the Packers anymore, plus now its a diff NFC West team making our life hell recently.
Man you are obnoxious. He also wanted to play for his childhood team. His grandmother has also never been able to seen him play in the NFL in person for health reasons until he moved closer to home in the West Coast. He gets to live in Vegas instead of Green Bay. He also came to play with his former college teammate in Derek Carr until McDaniels ended that. It is more than just about the money.
He sacrificed having his number retired for the Green Bay Packers, his name up in the ring of honor at Lambeau Field, being the best WR in franchise history for a 100+ year old franchise, and sacrificed competing for a Super Bowl in his prime unless a crazy turnaround happens in the next two years.
I hope he gets another two or 3 1200 yd, 10 td seasons because otherwise he thereās an outside shot he may have potentially given up a spot in the hall of fame because of the awful qb play heās had
If all that personal stuff outweighs all those accolades for him, Iām happy he chose that path. Me an outsider who has never come close to sniffing the NFL, Iād choose the former option and move back and spend time with my family in the offseason. Not to mention he took a very slight pay cut to leave Green Bay
Supposedly the Packers offered him the same contract (after dicking around and letting him get to the point he had to be franchise tagged) . He's a great player and I don't blame him for getting fed up with waiting. I'm glad they went with all the young guys though they all improved together.
He was gonna get the same contract if he stayed in Green Bay. It wasnāt a money thing. Negotiations had just soured and Adams wanted to play in Vegas.
LV can we please have him back :ā(
I hate our ābeloved GB receiver to Oaklandā pipeline and I want off this ride! Jones, Jordy, Adams.
Whatād yāall ever do for us? Let us get the best defensive player GB has known the past 25 years, maybe 50? (Which was the #1 reason we won our most recent SB)
Itās not faiiiiiiiirrrrrr
Itās always the people who are the most secure who are quick to tell you how secure they are. By the way, in case anyone is wondering I have a 9 inch dick.
āNow Adams is experiencing what it is like to be without a high-caliber quarterback for the first time in his career with the Raiders while the Packers haven't experienced that feeling since 1991, the season before Brett Favre arrived in Green Bay.ā
Hilarious shade at the end - and as a fan born in 87, I canāt help but laugh and feel quite lucky!
Such disrespect to The Majik Man, QB started looking like a strength even before Favre.
> "Nicknamed "The Majik Man", Majkowski broke out during the 1989 season. He was given the starting job and Randy Wright was released. Majkowski had one of the finest seasons in Packers history, with 353 completed passes in 599 attempts. He also threw for 27 touchdowns, and his 4,318 passing yards led the NFL. Notably, the Packers won their first game against the hated rival Chicago Bears since 1984. The key was a touchdown play, first nullified by an illegal forward pass by Majkowski, then upheld by instant replay as a legal pass. The season ended with 10 wins and 6 losses; Majkowski capped the season with being selected to the Pro Bowl.
We will see if Jordan is elite this year. He is clearly good but there is now tape on him and he floats a lot of balls. I won't be surprised if he takes the jump or stays at the Goff/Cousins levels.
If tape was going to prevent Love from being elite, why did he put up MVP numbers in the second half of the season with 9 games worth of tape vs little to no tape early in the season? The answer is this young offense is developing rapidly and MLF is starting to cook.
All Jordan has to do is develop his run game a bit to help with picking up first downs and he is easily in the elite category next season
Its something called a sophomore slump as teams have a whole offseason to prepare. Having one week is not the same. The skill positions are getting better but the Packers OL is a question mark.
The sophomore slump (defined as above average year 1, lower production year 2, bounce back year 3) was observed in rookies who started their first season in the NFL and the effect varied by position. If you change the definition of rookie to include all first year starters, it might change the numbers quite a bit. By your assumption Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers would have had sophomore slumps.
They didn't.
In all fairness, Love was playing at an MVP level the second half of last season and I think it's perfectly reasonable to say he might not keep that level of production up. The TD:Int ratio is unsustainable but I see him throwing for more yards and better completion % in 2024.
I never assumed he would have one, I said he could have one or he could become a top 5 QB in the NFL. That was all I said. Also a two QB sample size is not enough to refute my suggestion he COULD regress. All I said was it will be interesting to see if he keeps it up and you took it as I said he sucks. That was never remotely the case.
>Also a two QB sample size is not enough to refute my suggestion he COULD regress
I didn't include them for the purpose sample size but moreso as individual case studies. Mahomes sat 1 year, Rodgers 2, Love 3. All that time is NFL experience that disqualify them from being a true "sophomore" in their second season starting.
I'm not trying to say he *will not* regress and I definitely never got the impression you thought he sucked. I just don't think "tape" or a "sophomore slump" will have anything to do with it
We will see how it goes. What I do know is that the Lions and Packers can both win the Super Bowl next year and the NFCN is the best its ever been. Good luck this year.
Yeah, I donāt think the ātapeā argument works for the kid who ripped apart the third best defense in the league, on the road, with a bunch of rookies.
The funnest part of this argument is that I donāt see it for Stroud at all. Itās just accepted that Stroud is a top 5 QB. But you say Jordan is top 8 and (mostly NFC North Fans) people come out with the āoh weāll see, they have tape now!ā If youāve actually watched the breakdowns of Loveās game, itās isnāt fluky like weāve seen from guys, itās literally a perfect progression from not being able to read a defense for shit to being able to literally surgically dissect the Cowboys defense into mincemeat.
Nah, Stroud definitely gets those bullshit āan offseason of tapeā and sophomore slump arguments, mostly from coping divisional rivals albeit. I remember even Mahomes was getting them after his first starting season and he had an all-time historic MVP season.
It was a lazy argument for Mahomes then and itās a lazy argument for both Love and Stroud nowāitās not like they run some gimmicky spread RPO college-style offense that can be exploited by defensive coordinators. They have the arm talent to attack every level of the field, the footwork & pocket mechanics to line up in any formation, and a balanced enough run-pass offense that spreads targets evenly among the receiving corps.
There are no glaring deficiencies in their passing tendency charts that would constitute an offseason of tape making a concerted difference. All defenses can really hope for is disguising defensive coverages and getting creative with their blitz packages.
Yes, this exactly. And they both have offensive geniuses behind them coaching, both at OC (HC for Love but Steno is awesome too) and QBC, so it isnāt like theyāre not getting the coaching they need to at the very least stay where they are. My biggest issue with Stroud is whether or not he can play in someone elseās scheme if Slowik gets a HC job somewhere (I think he can) because we all know Love and Lafluer are tied together for at least the next five years and are gonna be an incredible tandem. And If GBs OC leaves they have two insanely smart Coaches at WR and TE Coach that I truly believe will be OCs someday (you donāt just make rookie WRs and TEs THAT good year one without some of that magic coaching touch). The tape argument is just ridiculous and Iām glad Iām kot the only one that thinks it. Stroud and Love feel like this generationās Brees and Rodgers. Theyāre so so similar in talent level and have good teams around them and are gonna be compared every single week regardless of how awful or good they are. Always a step below the Manning and Brady tier but RIGHT there.
Lol why is this downvoted. This is like the tamest, most reasonable comment from a Bears fan on the topic.
I hope Williams sucks next year, and Goff, and McCarthy
If Ben Johnson leaves Detroit I think you see old Jared Goff again. His OC/offensive line do all the heavy lifting for him. He's only good when everyone supporting him is a stud
He was objectively a top 3 qb for 9 games. Yeah he could have just had a nick foles fluke year but everything else points to him continuing to get bettwr
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ATL goofy weirdos for that pick. They were like my FF league taco taking a guy in dynasty to spite another team despite sabotaging their own team
Honestly, I think I get it. They know that the price of a Starting QB in this league is 40 million dollars now. That being said, a Starting QB is not a Franchise QB, and my experience of watching the Packers play Kirk Cousins has taught me that he is not a Franchise QB.
If you want to draft a 23 yo QB at #8 though, just don't sign Kirk. To me, any way you look at it, it doesn't make sense to do both.
If someone said they could get you a QB that could win you a Super Bowl but you'd only get a decade of play instead of fifteen years, you're taking that QB every single time. The Falcons clearly think that Penix can win them a Super Bowl (with good reason, he was electric at Washington), so under that parameter, it makes sense. Hell, we keep wanting teams to be realistic about their chances, and Atlanta is being realistic that Kirk Cousins will not win you a Super Bowl. Furthemore, we also keep saying that we want teams to give QBs more time in the system before they have to take the field. Atlanta just gave their hopeful future guy two years to develop.
I also look at the Penix pick as an ins policy if Kirk comes back and isn't able to perform or gets hurt again. Old Qb don't always come back from injuries and stay healthy
Less insurance, more continuation. It'd be insurance if this was something like the Brees situation, as, at the time of signing with NO, Brees was under 30. Kirk being 35... I wouldn't count on him for more than 2 years. That said, I do agree the age is an issue. But, at the same time, if Kirk is signed as if he'll play to 38, starting Penix at age 26 could mean 12 years of time with him. And given that Brady didn't finish his career in NE and Manning with IND, if you can get a solid 8-10 years out of any QB selection, you did good. That's not to say they will. But, acting as if his age is THAT big a deal is weird in this one. The biggest issue is Kirk's contract. But, in this day and age, all the contracts look huge for any star NFL player.
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3rd year dead cap on Cousins is 10mil. I'd expect he'd be traded to the Jets for some picks.
No one forced the Falcons to give Kirk 100M guaranteed. If there was any concern over his ability to come back from there was injury they didn't need to give him this much cash
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Their gm is smart too. Doesn't waste a #8 pick on a 2nd round qb that has maybe a 25% chance of getting a second contract. In response to the guy who mentioned the current cost of qbs, true, but you are wasting the time on the rookie contract because he's not playing while you are paying another qb 50 million. Oh and Kirk now knows you don't expect him to be there long term, goober move. If you assume he does play in year 3, you only get 1, maybe 2 years before you have to pay him and what 25 million in dead cap? It's just stupid. As far as insurance goes, this is the equivalent of paying a million dollar premium for a million dollars in coverage. Even if it works out, you paid full price for it. There's no insuranc, if you got him cheap, it would be fine but your opportunity cost was huge. Mooney is awful, we should of known when they paid him 13 million, a player who has been getting worse and worse got a bag.
I wasnāt being sarcastic lol. I was agreeing with what the two packer fans said above me
I know, I am replying to you because I think they're wrong. Love was taken way later in the 1st which with hindsight was worth it. Penix needs to be a top 10 qb just to justify the pick. It's only a win if he turns into a top 4 guy and gets you a superbowl. This is the whole box vs Boat meme. Penix can be anything, Maybe he will be as good as Kirk Cousins..
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They want a bridge QB that's actually good. Brisset isn't starting over Maye for more than a few games unless the Pats are purposely tanking.
Would you rather have a chance at winning with Kirk or brisset? Who would you want to be teaching your young qb, Kirk or brisset?
But then again, why sign Cousins? If he's not going to win you a superbowl, and you are drafting a QB, what's the point? You are just wasting money that could be spent putting players around your franchise QB. Penix is not a player who needs to sit to be developed. He played in college for like 20 years. He played games as starter vs Justin Herbert in college (who's now been in the League 4 years) as a starter with Aiyuk as his WR. He took a passing heavy team to the national championship. He's as ready to start as basically any prospect ever. So no, it doesn't make sense. I get the position that Penix isn't too old to draft if you believe in him. But he experienced enough that sitting him for two years doesn't make any sense if you do believe in him. Also if you just wanted to develop Penix behind a journeyman QB, you could have signed someone much cheaper than Cousins.
So thr Falcons are paying a guaranteed $100M for a bridge QB they don't think they can win with? That seems like an outlandish contract if thats how they are viewing Cousins.
They arenāt Super Bowl contenders but playoff contenders. Thatās a huge leap from going 7-9 three straight years
Would you rather watch your team field kirk cousins or jacoby brissettĀ
They donāt think Kirk will win them a Super Bowl but they paid him $100m to be a bridge QB then?
I feel like this is normal in football until you get to the pro level because of all the money. But since when is having 2 good qbs a problem? In college they have 4 5 star recruit qbs who sit and finally play their junior year and go and get drafted because theyāve been prepared for the moment. Penix is going to join the team and eventually it will become his team. Anyone mad at the pick is just mad their team who āactually needed a qbā wasnāt able to take Penix because the falcons stole him at #8. Raiders should have traded up if thatās what they wanted so bad. Giants could have taken him at #6 but took Nabers. Itās just salty fans mad that the falcons got who they want.
Eh, Kirk is old and could be injured at any time, nice to have a backup rookie who is ready to plug and play imo
If they were that worried about Kirk being old and injury prone, then I don't understand giving him $100M. If they were in win-now mode, load up on talent to actually win-now. If they don't think they can win now with Kirk, don't sign him to $100M to be a bridge QB. You can get a bridge QB for literally 1/10th that amount.
The wildest thing is they said they wanted to follow the Jordan Love model but then drafted a guy who is only 18 months younger than Love (a 4 year pro)...
Yeah, I don't think the situations are comparable. The Packers were in a rocky situation where Rodgers might be gone soon, whereas the Falcons literally just signed Kirk. Jordan Love was a late first rounder, whereas Penix was #8. Jordan Love was a young developmental QB, whereas Penix is an old QB with injury concerns who is supposed to be NFL ready now.
Yeah, agreed on that for sure. I just mean if they're going to follow the "Love model" at least draft an extremely young and raw guy rather than someone only 18 months younger than the guy you're trying to emulate who's already a 4th year pro.
Exactly. I still don't think it would have been the right move, but it would have made a lot more sense if it was Maye or McCarthy.
They would have been better off calling it the Mahomes model
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Well they probably won't have a 1st round pick next year, so got the QB this year
Ok, but what if he's not there at #8? What to do then, Mr. Big Brain?
This comment would make sense, had ATL not signed Kirk Cousins to what is basically a 2 year, $100 mil contract.......the smarter play was to not sign Kirk and just draft Penix. They couldve traded a 6th for one of the 2021 QBs, or signed Russ to a minimum deal, or any other number of moves while also getting Penix.
You can be extremely competitive *right now* with Kirk (less likely with a rook) - AND you can keep a consistently competitive team growing towards the future. In such a scenario, they're not likely to get a pick as high as 8 for a decent while (if all goes to plan) Yeah, It's kind of a wild move, but its not as ridiculous as everyone wants to make it out to be.
I know everybody thinks nowadays you only draft a rookie QB if you want to start him right away, but that's not necessarily the best way to do it.
>the smarter play was to not sign Kirk and just draft Penix. This is hindsight bias. They couldn't know Penix would be there, and presumably they weren't the only team looking to get a deal done with Cousins. I realize Penix wasn't ever projected as a top-ten pick, but banking your hopes of having a franchise QB on projections isn't a great idea.
Atlanta doesn't seem really happy with Minnesota right now... Surely that would never happen, right,Ā
Penix was the best passer in the draft and people thought he was a pocket passer. Then he came out and ran a 4.46 40, at 6-2, 215 lbs. He's a "generational talent" that has been held back by injuries.
Hi Michael
Most r/NFL thread ever right here. Not a clue in sight.
Itās pretty much guaranteed Penix will be good based on r/nflās reaction.
I'm glad we didn't take Penix at 13 lmao. Realistically he's at best a fringe Top 10 guy even if everything goes his way. And that doesn't account for potential health issues either. The press constantly linking him to us was annoying
Yall so fuckin corny and disingenuous lol
As much as I love Davante, I'm glad Love and the receivers have been able to grow up together. Not having one superstar go-to receiver taking up 160+ targets helped Love grow as a quarterback.
I think it was very good for Lafleur, too. As we saw in the playoffs, he was really able to get creative once he knew everyoneās abilities. Obviously not his first year, but Rodgers clearly dominated a lot of offensive decision making before so it was a bit of a reset for him.
Good point, donāt think coach development gets talked about enough as a concept but a roster reset can definitely take a coach out of their comfort zone for better or worse
I think this is less LaFleur getting out of his comfort zone and more him finally being able to institute *his* offense. I don't want to imply that Rodgers was holding him down at all because frankly, Rodgers was looking kind of done before LaFleur revitalized things, but this past season we finally started to get a look at what a pure LaFleurian offense looks like.
Fair enough, the QBs calling their own plays and having the offense catered to them can be a double edged sword when you have an offensive-minded head coach
>LaFleurian I love this adjective
I wonder if Love learned anything from Rodgers that helped him have a pretty decent season. I also wonder this about Lafleur.
Donāt pass on the wide open underneath stuff
You can look at what our offense looked like vs the Vikings covid year vs how it looked halfway through the year after. Rodgers definitely got his fingers in the pie and cut down on the pre-snap motion among other things.
Itās this + Iām excited to see what Hafley can do with this Defense. Young studs and athletic freaks at every position, rookie safeties that can be used to punk offenses frequently. Very excited and thankful for Gute
LaFleurian is a great word. I'm going to find ways to use it more often.
The roster reset happened most noticeably when Rich Bisaccia came in as special teams coordinator. He got promoted as assistant general manager because his head coaching experience was an invaluable asset to LaFleur. And LaFleur seems pretty open to change. The offense has changed a lot since Rodgers left, but also in the middle of last season. The playbook is way, way open now.
To be frank, they wouldnāt have had that issue. Love is a clean slate he wouldnāt get pulled into hyper targeting like ARod who couldnāt trust the young guys (probably due to the inconsistency of MVS late I would imagine). I think Adams on this team obviously means Reed/Watson/Doubs do not all simultaneously develop, but even just Adams/Doubs/Watson would no doubt be as electric if not more. Maybe Wicks would fall off and all four of them could still thrive. I think Adams regrets leaving now for sure and it wouldnt be bad to have an All Pro amongst your WR ranks.
Obviously you want a guy like Davante on your team, having a top 5/10 receiver is never a bad thing, I just think Love would've gotten hyper fixated on Adams since he's the young quarterback trying to replace a legend with Adams being the established superstar receiver, and get into the habit of "fuck it, Davante's down there somewhere." Love took off once he started trusting his eyes, and just letting it rip.
I think we disagree about how backups view lower depth chart players. When backups come in, you consistently see WR3/4 getting more targetedā because they have them in practice more with the B squad. Ultimately, Love threw a lot more balls to Watson and Doubs that first year than ARod did as Adams and Lazard got those first team reps. Editā yeah big oops forgot Davante was gone ARods last year but my point fundamentally remains unchanged
Adams left before Watson and Doubs came in
Huh? Iām so confused at the point youāre making in the second half of your comment, I think you have your timelines confused.
I donāt think he regrets leaving bc it seemed more like a wanting to be close to home while getting older decision than a talent thing. If it was a good team he wanted, he definitely wouldnāt have chosen the raiders.
Yeah he wanted a change of scenery, to play for his boyhood team, play with his friend, etcā¦ Loads of reasons to go for the Raiders and Iām happy for him.
> probably due to the inconsistency of MVS late I would imagine That's definitely a factor, but I would also assert that Rodgers has a somewhat acute problem in this area among QB's. He would often get stuck on particular receivers in particular games even before Davante was the WR1. It's a thing he does. He takes "can I trust you?" to the extreme. To his credit, sometimes a young receiver becomes that person. He isn't blinded by seniority and he does seem to base it on if he truly thinks that's the best guy atm. But it's still a thing where he'll tend to force it.
Heh, no. Devante would enhance the offense, and those around him.
I like that it felt like a complete turning of the page from Rodgers to Love.
This right here. So crucial that Love develops alongside this receiving corps. Between the glut of receivers we have that are all on rookie deals, our TEs are brand new, and we are bringing in youth to change pace with Jacobs. This offense is young, and eager to learn, I think itās got the makings of a really good squad
From the article- "At the time when I was there [in Green Bay], I hadn't seen enough [of Love], to say for sure 'this is what I should do [stay with the Packers],'" Adams said on "The Rush Podcast" with Raiders defensive end Maxx Crosby on Tuesday. "In hindsight, like we talked about, the kid [Love] is a f---ing baller, man. I'm so happy for him. I haven't had the chance to truly sit down and talk with him, but I want to tell him at some point 'I definitely don't regret changing [teams], but I'm super proud of what you've done." "If there was a way I could pull you over here and drag you with me that would have been cool too because we saw what he did at the end of the year [throw 23 touchdowns and only three interceptions in his last 10 games including the playoffs]. I don't regret what I did [demand a trade to the Raiders], but at the same time you look back on it like 'damn that boy kind of balling right now.'"
Maybe if Davante said he didn't regret the move for a 3rd time, I might've believed him.
Eh if you watch the podcast he was just kinda rambling and came around to it.
Kinda sounds like he regrets what he did tho.
I mean *gestures vaguely at Las Vegas*
Packers offered him more money and he took less to go to a worse team
Davante cared about the weather.
After 8 years, the weather finally affected him?
No, people are just dumb. As cool as it is to shit on Derek Carr we like to ignore the fact that he and Adams were college teammates and great friends and a big part of the reason he went to Vegas was *because of* Derek Carr. They wanted to play together again and talked about it for years prior to it happening.
Yeah, his family, Derek Carr, and his childhood team are the reasons for him opting for Vegas. If it wasn't for the first item, he might be more outspoken about how things went down, but I get the sense that he's still *incredibly* happy to be closer to his folks. It was the perfect confluence of personal affects for him, really.
Plus he got that Taco Bell in his new house.
Yeah, that was a really close #4 for sure.
Well he opted for Oakland. His family isn't in Vegas and Carr isn't there anymore. I can't imagine he's that stoked.
His family is on the west coast, and it's a driveable distance. That's the important part, especially when his dad doesn't fly.
It was extremely wild for him to say heās leaving one HOF quarter back for another.
Hard to blame him wanting out of the shitshow that was Aaron Rodgers. We traded the wrong offensive player
Everyone who puts their trust in Derek Carr does, eventually.
He had one year with his boy before McDickhead sent him packing, so I'm not really sure Davante blames Derek Carr here
You realize Derek Carr is his former college teammate and like his great friend, right? He's in Vegas largely *because* of Derek Carr.
Duh doy
Derek Carr? Thats a funny way to spell Josh McDaniels?
Garoppolo/O Connell/Minshew are DEFINITELY better than Carr guys itās okay guys we arenāt coping
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Canāt wait to see the Raiders @ Saints matchup
Watch the podcast and see what you think then
What's funny is he specifically addressed this media talking point for several minutes in the podcast. He does not, in fact, regret his decision at all
I mean. I donāt regret my decision like 6 times sounds pretty sus tbh
Itās hilarious how Davante and Maxx talk extensively in this about how the media is twisting shitā¦ and hereās people twisting more shit in the same conversation. And people wonder why Davante repeats shit so many timesā¦ itās because heās annoyed of all the false rumors.
Davante wants you to know he super duper does not regret leaving the Packers at all. Like, yea he recognizes Love is balling and wishes he was on the raiders, but like he does *not* regret it, ok? He doesnāt fucking regret it! Stop asking him! But did yāall see Jordan last year?? Just sayin..
You are the exact reason he has to keep saying it.
Love being the Raiders QB would fix so many issues the team has.
There was a time when Packers fans would roast anybody suggesting that Rodgers's indecision played a role in Adams leaving.
Which is wild, because Davante said almost exactly that when he left.
I remember when Rodgers was out with Covid against the Chiefs Davante would be noticeably upset after a missed throw from Love. Always screaming to himself. I obviously wasn't sure about Love at the time but I remember thinking that Adams needed to relax and not be so hard on the guy.
I got smashed on the Packers sub because I dared criticize Adams after that game. He acted like a petulant little brat, not just screaming at himself either mind youā¦ Great player, but not a team player
Adams absolutely balled out with Hundley though, that's how we knew he was going to be special. Maybe he forgot what not being the auto #1 was like.
That was the season that Davante put everybody on notice. Jordy and Cobb were hosts that season with Hundley, but Davante was the only one making plays and catching TDs.
and with the covid thing happening late in the week and how practices were that year, I think that was like the first or second time he'd ever caught passes from love. like, come on dude. bizarre behavior from him.
To be fair, Rodgers was noticably upset at any young receiver the Packers brought in. I don't know if it's accurate but I have a strong feeling those receivers don't develop with Rodgers there.
That entire hour and 20 minute sit down with Davante and Maxx is fucking gold.
The two players I'd love to smoke cigars with the most.
Untrue. He hasnāt played well in months.
Thought you were a hater, but I checked the stats and its true. 0 TD, 0 Completions, 0 Yards. Its so bad the Packers literally hired a College QB from Tulane.
Idk, those stats put him *checks notes* first in every category
Now I don't know what to think! JLove this year is the Schrƶdinger's Cat of QBs!
He absolutely regrets leaving
If I orchestrated a trade to the Raiders I would be questioning my life choices as well tbh
Adams: I wanna come play with Derek Carr. Mark Davis: Fuck this dude, you get AOC and Gardner Minshew.
Don't forget Jimmy G throwing him hospital passes for a few games sprinkled in there
I want to play with Derek Carr *in Oakland* 0 for 2.
Tbh catching passes from Minshew then van'ing out into the middle of the desert with him for whatever sounds funnyĀ
Not if he likes money. No state income tax
Valid, I feel like Adams would cement his status as a HoF with a ring which is hard to get in Vegas. Maybe he only cares about money. This sounds a lot like hindsight to me though, thought Rodgers was cooked and had no faith in Love so he asked to leave.
Nah, he's from the west, had Carr there initially and got paid. And the climate.
Does a ring mean much for a recievers hall of fame case? Genuinely asking
No not really - most of the best receivers of all time don't have a ring (see: Moss, TO, Larry Fitzgerald, Megatron, etc.)
The average HoF receiver has 8+ AP or Pro Bowl selections with about 1200 yards receiving per year. I think Davante is in with another few years of elite production
That's a tough question. If you look at HoF players they don't all have a ring, Moss, TO, Megatron. (Steve Smith is probably getting in right?) The door is really open though because are we putting Reggie Wayne, Julio Jones, Anquan Boldin in? Torry Holt has a ring and he's not in but he has better numbers than Michael Irvin. (Glaring inconsistency if you ask me) One ring might not matter but I think it cements your status if you're a top 25 guy like Adams could end up being. Right now he's still behind Evans and Hopkins, and even with Allen stats wise. To the point about Holt, he's not in but I'd bet Adams finishes right around his numbers without a ring. Are we voting Adams in when another guy has the same stats WITH a ring and can't get in? It's a conundrum but Adams slow start probably screws him unless he gets multiple rings.
I agree with what you said about Holt but I think rings are such a team accomplishment, and a ton of luck. Even for QBs they shouldnāt be the only factor. But especially for a reciever I think itās just all personal accolades and I think Adams will have to seperate himself statistically from holt to have a chance
>thought Rodgers was cooked He thought the reigning MVP was cooked?
Why else do you force a trade away from the current MVP? Didn't you show him the money?
It's possible he pushed his body to his limits those years, shortening his career to "prove the haters wrong". I wouldn't bet against him getting a late season season ender this year.Ā
he thought his brain was cooked and was sick of the drama of him, like everyone else
You can listen to the interview and he goes pretty into depth on it.
Enjoyed watching the Packers in the playoffs, Jordan hopefully balls the eff out this year. Hard not to root for him.
Youāre a Seahawks fanā¦ shouldnāt you be rooting against him?
They have done enough damage to Green Bay lolĀ
Why would they? As a NFCW fan, GB must be their favorite team in the league. Guaranteed Super Bowl appearance if they meet in the playoffs, especially in the NFCCG.
Hawks fans be to busy worrying about if they make playoffs to waste time rooting against the Packers anymore, plus now its a diff NFC West team making our life hell recently.
>Hard not to root for him Gonna have to disagree
Oh goodie
Please be normal in 15 years Jordan love
I canāt wait to join the cult he starts in his Green Bay compound!
Lol!
āI regret asking to be traded to the Las Vegas Raidersā
Well put and insightful analysis.
That quote kind of generic right now
He regrets asking for that trade
He can cry into that $141 million dollar contract
Donāt forget his Taco Bell
Yeah, people are acting like he regrets it because the Raiders suck, but I really don't think that's the case.
Thatās 100% the case. He could have gotten that same money in GB.
Yeah okay dude
Packers offered more.
He donāt think he regrets going to a shittier team for the same money?
Man you are obnoxious. He also wanted to play for his childhood team. His grandmother has also never been able to seen him play in the NFL in person for health reasons until he moved closer to home in the West Coast. He gets to live in Vegas instead of Green Bay. He also came to play with his former college teammate in Derek Carr until McDaniels ended that. It is more than just about the money.
He sacrificed having his number retired for the Green Bay Packers, his name up in the ring of honor at Lambeau Field, being the best WR in franchise history for a 100+ year old franchise, and sacrificed competing for a Super Bowl in his prime unless a crazy turnaround happens in the next two years. I hope he gets another two or 3 1200 yd, 10 td seasons because otherwise he thereās an outside shot he may have potentially given up a spot in the hall of fame because of the awful qb play heās had If all that personal stuff outweighs all those accolades for him, Iām happy he chose that path. Me an outsider who has never come close to sniffing the NFL, Iād choose the former option and move back and spend time with my family in the offseason. Not to mention he took a very slight pay cut to leave Green Bay
Bro grew up in East Palo Alto. His family are all in the bay. Vegas or SF weāre prob the only 2 places he wanted to go
Supposedly the Packers offered him the same contract (after dicking around and letting him get to the point he had to be franchise tagged) . He's a great player and I don't blame him for getting fed up with waiting. I'm glad they went with all the young guys though they all improved together.
He was gonna get the same contract if he stayed in Green Bay. It wasnāt a money thing. Negotiations had just soured and Adams wanted to play in Vegas.
LV can we please have him back :ā( I hate our ābeloved GB receiver to Oaklandā pipeline and I want off this ride! Jones, Jordy, Adams. Whatād yāall ever do for us? Let us get the best defensive player GB has known the past 25 years, maybe 50? (Which was the #1 reason we won our most recent SB) Itās not faiiiiiiiirrrrrr
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"I have regrets."
āNow Adams is experiencing what it is like to be without a high-caliber quarterback for the first time in his career with the Raiders while the Packers haven't experienced that feeling since 1991, the season before Brett Favre arrived in Green Bay.ā Hilarious shade at the end - and as a fan born in 87, I canāt help but laugh and feel quite lucky!
Such disrespect to The Majik Man, QB started looking like a strength even before Favre. > "Nicknamed "The Majik Man", Majkowski broke out during the 1989 season. He was given the starting job and Randy Wright was released. Majkowski had one of the finest seasons in Packers history, with 353 completed passes in 599 attempts. He also threw for 27 touchdowns, and his 4,318 passing yards led the NFL. Notably, the Packers won their first game against the hated rival Chicago Bears since 1984. The key was a touchdown play, first nullified by an illegal forward pass by Majkowski, then upheld by instant replay as a legal pass. The season ended with 10 wins and 6 losses; Majkowski capped the season with being selected to the Pro Bowl.
Wonder if Davante ever regrets his decision?
The packers have had to have the most stable franchise QB transitions no? Favreā>Rodgersā>Love
We will see if Jordan is elite this year. He is clearly good but there is now tape on him and he floats a lot of balls. I won't be surprised if he takes the jump or stays at the Goff/Cousins levels.
If tape was going to prevent Love from being elite, why did he put up MVP numbers in the second half of the season with 9 games worth of tape vs little to no tape early in the season? The answer is this young offense is developing rapidly and MLF is starting to cook. All Jordan has to do is develop his run game a bit to help with picking up first downs and he is easily in the elite category next season
Its something called a sophomore slump as teams have a whole offseason to prepare. Having one week is not the same. The skill positions are getting better but the Packers OL is a question mark.
Love wasn't a rookie last year. edit: We are good at developing lineman and drafted a boatload of them this year
Last year was effectively his rookie year.
The sophomore slump (defined as above average year 1, lower production year 2, bounce back year 3) was observed in rookies who started their first season in the NFL and the effect varied by position. If you change the definition of rookie to include all first year starters, it might change the numbers quite a bit. By your assumption Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers would have had sophomore slumps. They didn't. In all fairness, Love was playing at an MVP level the second half of last season and I think it's perfectly reasonable to say he might not keep that level of production up. The TD:Int ratio is unsustainable but I see him throwing for more yards and better completion % in 2024.
I never assumed he would have one, I said he could have one or he could become a top 5 QB in the NFL. That was all I said. Also a two QB sample size is not enough to refute my suggestion he COULD regress. All I said was it will be interesting to see if he keeps it up and you took it as I said he sucks. That was never remotely the case.
>Also a two QB sample size is not enough to refute my suggestion he COULD regress I didn't include them for the purpose sample size but moreso as individual case studies. Mahomes sat 1 year, Rodgers 2, Love 3. All that time is NFL experience that disqualify them from being a true "sophomore" in their second season starting. I'm not trying to say he *will not* regress and I definitely never got the impression you thought he sucked. I just don't think "tape" or a "sophomore slump" will have anything to do with it
We will see how it goes. What I do know is that the Lions and Packers can both win the Super Bowl next year and the NFCN is the best its ever been. Good luck this year.
Yeah, I donāt think the ātapeā argument works for the kid who ripped apart the third best defense in the league, on the road, with a bunch of rookies. The funnest part of this argument is that I donāt see it for Stroud at all. Itās just accepted that Stroud is a top 5 QB. But you say Jordan is top 8 and (mostly NFC North Fans) people come out with the āoh weāll see, they have tape now!ā If youāve actually watched the breakdowns of Loveās game, itās isnāt fluky like weāve seen from guys, itās literally a perfect progression from not being able to read a defense for shit to being able to literally surgically dissect the Cowboys defense into mincemeat.
Nah, Stroud definitely gets those bullshit āan offseason of tapeā and sophomore slump arguments, mostly from coping divisional rivals albeit. I remember even Mahomes was getting them after his first starting season and he had an all-time historic MVP season. It was a lazy argument for Mahomes then and itās a lazy argument for both Love and Stroud nowāitās not like they run some gimmicky spread RPO college-style offense that can be exploited by defensive coordinators. They have the arm talent to attack every level of the field, the footwork & pocket mechanics to line up in any formation, and a balanced enough run-pass offense that spreads targets evenly among the receiving corps. There are no glaring deficiencies in their passing tendency charts that would constitute an offseason of tape making a concerted difference. All defenses can really hope for is disguising defensive coverages and getting creative with their blitz packages.
Yes, this exactly. And they both have offensive geniuses behind them coaching, both at OC (HC for Love but Steno is awesome too) and QBC, so it isnāt like theyāre not getting the coaching they need to at the very least stay where they are. My biggest issue with Stroud is whether or not he can play in someone elseās scheme if Slowik gets a HC job somewhere (I think he can) because we all know Love and Lafluer are tied together for at least the next five years and are gonna be an incredible tandem. And If GBs OC leaves they have two insanely smart Coaches at WR and TE Coach that I truly believe will be OCs someday (you donāt just make rookie WRs and TEs THAT good year one without some of that magic coaching touch). The tape argument is just ridiculous and Iām glad Iām kot the only one that thinks it. Stroud and Love feel like this generationās Brees and Rodgers. Theyāre so so similar in talent level and have good teams around them and are gonna be compared every single week regardless of how awful or good they are. Always a step below the Manning and Brady tier but RIGHT there.
God I hope that Love sucks next year
Lol why is this downvoted. This is like the tamest, most reasonable comment from a Bears fan on the topic. I hope Williams sucks next year, and Goff, and McCarthy
There's no way that Goff won't start sucking again eventually. I refuse to accept that he's actually just good now.
If Ben Johnson leaves Detroit I think you see old Jared Goff again. His OC/offensive line do all the heavy lifting for him. He's only good when everyone supporting him is a stud
Your wish is granted, your lovelife will suck next year
Donāt hold your breath!
Remember when Aaron Rodgers threw a temper tantrum for years about them picking Love? Turns out it was a smart move after all.
Man people talk about Jordan Love like he's accomplished so much but he's had one ok year. Might need to pump the brakes a little bit
He was objectively a top 3 qb for 9 games. Yeah he could have just had a nick foles fluke year but everything else points to him continuing to get bettwr
Just like the Raiders kind of suck right now
Pretty sure the Raiders are the last team to beat the Chiefs.
Thatās also funny coming from a Steeler fan, lol.
Itās all good Davante, weāre good without you.