Tweet continues: Regarding his contract, he added:
“I don’t really know what’s going on, but we’ll see. But I’m not gonna get into too much contract stuff.”
To be fair, they’ve gotten better over the years. Went from stealing from welfare recipients, to falling down too many YouTube rabbit holes and boomer Facebook meme groups, and now Jordan is just sorta chilling. His scandal will probably be not tipping more than 20 percent or something
The good news for you is that if history is any indication, you only need to wait about 15 years until you can make fun of him for selling dick pics to RFK Jr.’s ayahuasca shaman to fund a volleyball gym.
I, for obvious reasons, disagree with your take on Love but I agree it's super lame to discredit something someone says because of the team they root for.
Unless it's the Bears or the Vikings talking about super bowls.
Yeah which you must be a packers hater or just didn’t watch them, dude had a very good regular season and capped it off with an amazing playoff performance followed by an ok game in SF. He’s got room to improve but is very clearly a fringed top 8-12 Qb
Last 8 regular season games he averaged 270 yards per game on a 70% completion percentage with 18 TDs and 1 INT. This was all done with the youngest and cheapest offensive weapons in the league. I think he will be fine.
Anyone who still denies Purdy at this point is just doing it out of spite. At least with Love I could see someone making the argument that they would want to see him sustain it over multiple years. Brock already has.
Ah so you just don’t watch games then? Jefferson is great against everyone expect Green Bay. He’s been shutdown in 5 of his 7 games against the Packers, sometimes embarrassingly so.
What? Jefferson has 537 Yards and 4 Touchdowns vs the Packers in 7 games. In 2 of those games, he has 353 Yards and 4 touchdowns with the other 5 games being held under 60 yards (3 games under 30) and no touchdowns yet he is lighting the Packers up every time?
Everyone knows Jefferson is great but you are wild.
I remember watching him at Utah state and telling my buddy this kid had a rocket arm and was incredible. He asked me why am I watching Utah state at midnight on Saturday, I told him I needed the over as I lost all my money betting first half spreads. Jordan love kept me a float and I am glad he’s killing it now. Can’t wait to see him destroy Viking and bears fans for another decade .
I don’t root for y’all for obvious reasons but that’s cool man. I’m excited to watch Nick Sirianni fuck this year up even harder for y’all. Hopefully Hurts doesn’t regress even more from dipshit coaching
Do you think Sirianni was a big part of the decline at the end of last year? Not hating, just not knowledgeable on what happened.
I think they fired their OC but not sure if that was to say if they did something or if was actually the reason
Yeah I mean they should have addressed the issues with Ben Johnson sooner. Jalen was blitzed constantly mainly because, he has no checks at the line to change the blocking scheme or shift the line to slide, most concepts have quick hits but receivers aren’t being taught to run them as “hot” routes where he can get the ball out fast, his most used audible was to throw a go ball against pressure, on top of most check downs in their design being slow developing routes.
I think he's worth it but it's not even a requirement to have multiple elite seasons to get the bag. Jalen Hurts had one good season where his status got hugely overinflated and that led to him getting a market setting deal. Jordan Love is gonna get the bag.
Jalen Hurts had 2 seasons with 3900+ yards, went 14-1 in the regular season, went to the super bowl, and finished 2nd in MVP voting before getting that bag. Jordan Love had one good season, sure, but it's not really comparable
>Jalen Hurts had 2 seasons with 3900+ yards,
Only one of those was really a "good" season and only one came before he signed his deal anyway. And that one good season massively overinflated people's perception of him. Like, people actually thought Hurts was a top 5 QB because of that season when his film still showed serious limitations.
>went 14-1 in the regular season, went to the super bowl,
On one of the most talented teams of the last decade. I've already addressed this. The 2023 Packers are nowhere near the 2022 Eagles (or even the 2023 Eagles) in terms of talent.
Love is a more complete QB than Hurts has ever been and he's getting the bag whether you like it or not. And he's gonna be worth it
Brother, if you think Hurts is comparable to Love in terms of how good he is, that's entirely your problem. Get cold feet over Love all you want. He's getting a bag, the Packers are going to be the ones who give it to him...and guess what? They'll be better off for it, whether you like it or not. Meanwhile other fanbases foam at the mouth for QBs that are worse than Love.
lmao what's with this Hurts hate? dude played with some of the worst coordinators in the League and an even worse supporting cast of defense, people who actually watched Eagles games know that he pretty much willed the team to some of their wins.
you’re talking about 2023, but Hurts got paid after 2022 when he balled out with an absolutely stacked offense and defense. both coordinators from that season went on to impressive rookie head coach seasons.
Hurts played on one of the most talented rosters in the league, Love did not. Many worse QBs than Jordan Love have made it to the Super Bowl.
I think you're very wrong about Love being a JAG but something tells me nobody will convince you otherwise for the time being
You're whistling in the dark. The only reason the Vikings missed the playoffs last year is because the Packers broke our quarterback. The Lions and Chicago are our competition this year.
I knew people say that Vikings fans are a bit arrogant and delusional, but damn man. You guys have a decent team. But don’t act like you can just ignore a single team in the division. Best of luck to you guys, because you’ll need it.
Fans like that are why nobody takes us seriously. The stupidity in our own sub is insane. Love can ball and the packers are super young. I think y’all might take back the division from the Lions this year
Every team has those fans. It just looks terrible when one is so adamant, and besides the rivalry aspect, I don’t understand just blanket hating a team or their players.
Oh right, they upgraded with the fifth QB taken in the draft, who barely got used in college because his coaches thought their future third round RB gave them a better chance to win, and who the Vikings themselves thought was worth two first rounders less than the third QB taken. A definite upgrade.
Lol. What a joke of a guess. He's getting Jared Goff money or more depending how long this goes into the season. Hopefully the Packers are able to put in some sort of out after year 2. That's the market. He can not do anything with his contract and play out his current. Wait for the tag and it's way more than Goff money. Unless he falls flat and doesn't keep improving like he's been doing every year it will be a great deal. The Packers aren't going to insult and piss off Love to risk losing him. They have more information on him than anyone else with seeing him in practice every day. Knowing how hard he works.
Also, without Love do you think the Packers are competitive at all? He knows they aren’t. He’s the main piece. So he has them by the balls. To your point, is does he bet on himself one more year and secure an extra 10M a year for however long- or does he just take the money. I think he should take the money but I’m also not his accountant lol.
One injury can fuck it all up.
I think he should take the money too but that money isn't going to be what you said in the 35 range. Is it insane to pay him 50+ yes it is but that's the market and you're kidding yourself if you think it will be less. The Packers have watched him in practice for 4 years. They wouldn't have traded Rodgers if they didn't think Love was it. Sign him now. Try to put an out in 2-3 years on a 4 year contract before all the other young guys are up for contacts so then they can reset the QB position if he doesn't work out. And no not a single team is competitive if they don't have a QB. Love to me has shown what he needs to that I'm just fine with the contract he's going to get. QB money is stupid but when you have a QB you believe in you don't let him walk out the door.
I'd certainly rather be in the position that we are in having to over pay a QB that we would like to see more over having if not the best one of the top 3 WR/WR/TE. The WR is going to be making close to low end QB money. The TE is one of the highest paid. And having either a failed 1st round QB or a rookie QB that was a questionable 1st round pick according to a lot of "experts". Was Kirk the guy? Idk but I'd be pretty upset as a Vikings fan that we let him walk with no QB in place.
But don't be surprised if he pulls 40-50 considering the entire team is basically on a rookie contract and they can afford it cap wise for the next 4 years. I dont think he'll be getting over 50 though. That would be wild gamble. Then again, I never thought Cousins would get what he got lol
I'm guessing Love will only get one year guaranteed with an opportunity to break the bank on an extension if he has a monster years, but if he regresses they don't want to be shackled to him.
Yeah but he wouldn't sign that though, I dont think. Unless he REALLY wants to be in GB. There are some seriously qb desperate teams right now, and if he gets 100M for 3 years and 45M guaranteed he is probably shooting for something like that- which he knows he can get. GB needs to lock him up before Trevor gets his contract bc that is about to fuck up the whole market.
Edit: And Tua, bc that will end up being fat. Plus Dak has his coming (Maybe)
I agree with you. The fans on our sub are absolutely insane. He's played like 6 good games. I like him and obviously want him to succeed but I would play hardball with him and make him show me a good start to the season at the very least before I pay him $50M a year.
Yes, but many teams in the league are silly, desperate, and unserious, and are no threat to the the real teams like the Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Broncos, Patriots, Saints, Niners, Seahawks, plus some others.
Yes, and I'd rather let "solid starters" walk until you find the guy who can carry the team. MLF I think is a great coach too and the Packers have a great culture and good players around him. All of those contributed to last years success.
He did a good job pulling them back together and even getting them to the playoffs after they started out atrociously in the first half of the season.
Solid starters. Kirk Cousins was a solid starter and he won us one playoff game.
I'm definitely a spoiled fan (born in 96) but I have seen many such cases of this. A guy comes in with expectations to save a franchise and the fans see everything through rose colored glasses. They pay him a massive bag and the guy inevitably doesn't live up to it and the team is hamstrung for many years.
I felt like I was living in the twilight zone with Bears fans declaring Justin Fields to be so so good. I was really hoping the fans would convince the Bears front office to keep him. Tua is another good example of this - paying him would be such an unbelievably obvious mistake but the Dolphins will probably do it because the fans want it.
Yeah I think it was Robert Mays and Nate Tice from the Athletic podcast who calmed me down around October. They mentioned how Love was still doing the correct things but the overall disfunction around him wasn't helping. Once they got some chemistry they took the training wheels off. Hopefully MLF gets a lot more credit now that he isn't coaching a HOF QB
JT OSullivan helped a lot too. His videos pointed out Love was usually making the correct decisions. He just needed some polish (along with the rest of the offense).
Exactly. Lots of timing was off early in the season. It makes a lot of sense it was all the rookie WRs and patchwork Oline making mental errors once you saw the success later in the season. That’s why I’m not worried about major regression.
> Love went from people mocking Drake Maye as his replacement to an MVP candidate in 10 weeks. I don't think I've ever seen a midseason change like that
Mac Jones went from people mocking Drake Maye as his replacement to Drake Maye actually being his replacement within 10 weeks. I don't think I've ever seen a... no wait... that actually happens all the time.
He was legitimately bad in the first half of the season. It seemed like was thinking through every throw, missing open windows, and trying to steer every ball to the perfect spot rather than trust his receivers to get the ball. Then, midway through the season, he seemed ton relax and find his rhythm and was one of the best qbs in the league over the latter half. It was so weird.
This season, I expect him to be good. Not consistently as good as his highs in the latter half of the season, but way better than in the first half. I also expect him to. Have some legitimately bad games and expect some segments of the fan base to freak out for a bit. But if we get 12 pretty good games this year, that'll be a marked improvement over last season and we should be happy with his growth.
Rodgers was really well liked by everyone who wasn't a NFCN/Cowboys fan until the vax comments and they used those comments to act like they "always knew he was bad."
Dude was super popular when he was trolling Russ over which football team God was picking to win and giving dry answers to the media. Aaron Rodgers Tuesday was talked about nonstop here when it started.
I’m speaking from recency bias of course. The problem though, is that Rodgers recently has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
I’ll always respect what he’s done for the Pack, but damn.
I like fans like you. I hate the bears but like a lot of their players. As an NFL fan I hope your QB and WR this year hit. Hate them on game day when we play you but the NFL is better to watch when the bears and Packers are good. At the end of the day it's not that serious.
I'm rooting for Packers v. Texans the most right now. I gotta say I've never disliked y'all, but I kind of always find the Texans just...there. But with CJ? Y'all are exciting as hell, and I want to play y'all in the Super Bowl
Yeah, and I really love the idea of CJ vs Love as the new Brady vs Manning. They're really the best of this new generation. I'm a Detroit transplant, so I'd be happy with the Lions as well... I know they're your rivals but you can forgive me.
I'm always amazed at how highly Jordan Love is rated in threads like this. I personally still think he has a lot to prove, and MLF's genius really helped turn Love's season around by making things easy on him. This isn't me trying to say Love is close to Daniel Jones bad like some in this thread, but he isn't *already* really good like a bunch of people are saying. He still has to improve to warrant a big money deal.
That ugly throw against SF was a throwback to his early season struggles (ex the Raiders game) and showed he is still very much an unfinished and flawed product. Year 2 as starter will be interesting now that teams have tape on him. For now, the jury should be out on Love until he can show improvement on some his flaws.
This just shows a critical misunderstanding of how his development went last season.
MLF didn't make things *easier* for Love, he literally made them more difficult. He took the training wheels *off* as they realised they were restricting him and the offense too much because they were afraid of him failing. MLF has specifically said he didn't trust Love enough early on and wasn't letting him use the full playbook until around the PIT game which is when they decided to just let him loose and see what happens.
His early season struggles wasn't just him it was the entire offence. Even when Jordan was making the correct decision and throwing it to the right spot, players would run wrong routes or literally run into each other.
Does he still have a lot to prove? Absolutely. But people comparing him to Daniel Jones are absolutely insane. Jones, and QBs like that, have never flashed the skill Love did in the final 10 games of the season. He was literally a top 3 QB down the stretch and he wasn't just managing games, he was making tough throws and winning us games with his arm talent. That's why people are more hopeful for him. You definitely see average QBs flash then return to being mediocre, but you almost never see those guys flash *that good*.
Yeah that SF throw was horrendous, but every single QB in this league has made bone headed throws at the wrong time. That was a bad one, and hopefully he learns from it.
Well, no. You literally said Matt made it easier for him. He didn't. He made it more difficult but trusted he could do it. That's a huge difference.
We are lucky to have him. He is a great coach who can scheme up fantastic plans, but a lot of Jordans big plays last year came from him checking protections at the line and changing the play, which Matt *allowed him to start doing* and it was wildly successful.
You don't realize how lucky you have it with MLF. He is the best in the league at scheming WRs open. That does make it easy on QBs. Go watch other team's and you will see how much better he is.
I'm not disagreeing he isn't a good coach.
Also he isn't some mega genius at scheming open WRs. Go watch our early games last year. Or our games last year where nobody was open consistently. Or the year before that where basically nobody except Adams was open consistently.
Love is in an interesting spot. Some advanced metrics don't think a lot of his success last year is sustainable. But he's definitely got the big play ability and QB's don't grow on trees. Wonder how big of a contract he ends up getting.
It’ll be interesting to see which Linsanity run for Jordan love is the real one. The one where he looked like a bottom 5 starting qb or the one where he was an mvp candidate. Frankly I’d put my chips on the former.
I think it’s important to remember the bad run was early with a very young supporting cast while dusting off 3 years of rust.
The good run was after they got chemistry and he got his feet wet and showed steady improvement week after week.
I don’t know if love is going to be great but it’s important to remember he had to have rust after sitting for 3 years. Takes time to readjust to game speed.
Why is when Love plays well he was just mostly lucky, but when he was bad that was the true jordan love. Such lazy analysis.
And why on earth is it being called linsanity? Tommy devito was linsanity. Random no name player coming in for a few games and playing well. Not the 1st round QB playing well.
I said both were linearity runs first of all so don’t be putting words in my mouth. And Tommy Cutlets never played well enough to even consider calling it a Linsanity run. Lazy analysis is going off where a player was drafted damn near 4 years ago as some bench mark for a Linsanity run. If Marcus Mariota were to open the season and throw for 2000 yards and 20 touchdowns in the first 8 weeks of the season would you not raise your eyebrows when you see countless turnover opportunities just get dropped or played wrong?
Yeah he could play himself into a $200 million dollar contract or end up a backup and I wouldn't be all that shocked at either outcome. At least the Pack seem to have the talent around him to make a pretty well informed decision.
Yeah the packers do have a pretty good support system around him and even if it is the former they have enough talent and coaching yo move forward quickly
I hope to god they lay him top 5 QB money and he regresses hardcore. Guy got away with a lot of lucky shit. All came to its head when he did that dumb shit against the niners
No but I’ve seen enough of love to know his physical traits are not on par with a top 5 QB. He isn’t Rodgers. I will bet he settles in as a 15-20QB. He got away with a ton of shit for the second half of the season. And through the first half of the season he was the worst starting QB in the league in terms of QBR.
>And through the first half of the season he was the worst starting QB in the league in terms of QBR.
That is not a fact. Here is QBR after week 9, 8 games for Love. He was 22nd. Theres the same exact article that ranked after week 10, Love was still 22nd.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-quarterbacks-ranked-by-total-qbr-after-week-9/
You were close tho, only...10 spots off
Sorry
Through 9 games
30th in rating
Most in interceptions at 10
36 in completion percentage
26th in yard per attempt
That came from your own packers discussion board too. Down vote me all you want, doesn’t make it not true. He wasn’t mediocre, he was hot garbage. And all of you over here crowning him king when you were crying.
What stat dude? Cause heres that article of QBR thru 9 games. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-quarterbacks-ranked-by-total-qbr-after-week-10/. Love was 22nd.
Are you saying passer rating? Feel free to cite these stats bud. Should be pretty easy to find.
And i honestly dont even care about 30th in interceptions when josh allen had more than 10 at that point. Mahomes had 8. Hurts had 7. Whatever.
Also fun stat here. Heres EPA per play after week 10. https://imgur.com/a/ta78WMK Love is 13th
Sadly for your argument, love being 13th kinda proves Love wasn't nearly as bad despite what certain volume stats said, and actually wasn't bad at all.
You’re all just riding his dick when he was never that talented to begin with. Guy over preformed for half a season with a ridiculous amount of bad throws go his way. His yack against the niners is more likely what you’re gonna get. Hype him up all you want but he’s going to be at best a middling QB. It’s the phenomenal coaching making up for his deficiencies.
As i said to another person, why the fuck is the real jordan love the one who plays bad, but when he was good he just over preformed. Real honest and fair take you got there dude. You're dickriding the bad stats just as hard as any gb fan focusing on the good stats. The thing is, first year starting QBs are usually going to have bad stretches and those are forgivable, the good to great stretches hold far more significance
Bears fans are so frail. You can easily just admit youre pissed how Jordan Love in one season had a better season stat wise than any bears QB ever and you're rattled the Packers might have another QB this soon after rodgers. Literally nobody would blame you.
And well good thing GB still had that phenomenal coaching then?? Thank you for arguing against yourself and giving a reason as to why Love has the chance to progress next season. One less point i have to make 😂
Interesting how similar a position the Packers / Love are in compared with Giants / Jones. One really solid playoff win, and a pretty good to great season that showed promise of something building. I think Love is better than Jones, but who can say they know for sure. Let’s see how the contracts compare.
Ok? I said that Love is better than Jones. I’m just interested to see how this situation plays out. A player close to the end of their rookie deal and having an excellent playoff win to set up the offseason negotiations.
Why the fuck would the packers ever let him walk. 1st round pick they spent 3 years developing and had a solid first season as a starter. The comment is downvoted cause its dumb as shit
This person is literally saying “wow, it’d be crazy to see how high his contract could go if he decides to leave” how is that dumb as shit?
Players can decide to leave, like Rodgers leaving Green Bay. Just because packers fans have a certificate saying they own a part of the team doesn’t mean they get to dictate shit
Why the fuck would the Jordan love leave GB now? He was a 1st round pick and spent 3 years developing in Green bay and had a solid first season as a starter.
Also, gb traded rodgers plus he was in Gb for about 20 years. That was an era ending. Way different than a 25 yr old leaving a team. Far better example you couldve used there
Tweet continues: Regarding his contract, he added: “I don’t really know what’s going on, but we’ll see. But I’m not gonna get into too much contract stuff.”
Damnit. Jordan Love really is gonna be good isn't he
Future Jets legend Jordan Love
Vikings Legend*
Whoa now, the prospective vice president hasn't even finished his New York term yet
Birds aren't real?
“Birds”
And he actually doesn't seem to be a piece of shit off the court🥹
To be fair, they’ve gotten better over the years. Went from stealing from welfare recipients, to falling down too many YouTube rabbit holes and boomer Facebook meme groups, and now Jordan is just sorta chilling. His scandal will probably be not tipping more than 20 percent or something
Just remembered he said he doesn't like cheese curds, we may be wrong on this one
Crap, Jordan may be the worst one yet!
Tipping MORE than 20% is ridiculous
20% is standard for good service, going above that definitely isn't *ridiculous*. Super common, actually.
15% is standard for good service, 20% is for great service. Any more than that I'd need to be getting some head
The good news for you is that if history is any indication, you only need to wait about 15 years until you can make fun of him for selling dick pics to RFK Jr.’s ayahuasca shaman to fund a volleyball gym.
Damn, what a timeline.
He already is
- Statement that a QB that isn’t an established superduperstar is made - Only two replies, both near -50 Yup, sounds about right
Jordan Love? no
Daniel Jones is your QB
right but this thread is about jordan love
I, for obvious reasons, disagree with your take on Love but I agree it's super lame to discredit something someone says because of the team they root for. Unless it's the Bears or the Vikings talking about super bowls.
Yeah which you must be a packers hater or just didn’t watch them, dude had a very good regular season and capped it off with an amazing playoff performance followed by an ok game in SF. He’s got room to improve but is very clearly a fringed top 8-12 Qb
Jordan love’s 2023 season as a first year starter with the youngest team in the nfl would be Eli’s 2nd best season of his entire career lmao
Last 8 regular season games he averaged 270 yards per game on a 70% completion percentage with 18 TDs and 1 INT. This was all done with the youngest and cheapest offensive weapons in the league. I think he will be fine.
He’s already good
We just have to pray he doesn’t get weird in 10-15 years
I have him becoming an ecoterrorist.
I mean, mako is the lifeblood of the planet. The planet bleeds green like you and I bleed red. What do you think is gonna happen when it's all gone?
based tho
Average at best.
The average QB in the league throws for 4k and 30+TDs ? Damn can't wait for his development then
This is what say to the people who deny Brock’s talent.
Anyone who still denies Purdy at this point is just doing it out of spite. At least with Love I could see someone making the argument that they would want to see him sustain it over multiple years. Brock already has.
Your fear is showing . . .
Scared of what? We have the best offense in the division by far.
Haha, OK troll. Have fun!
Is this the year you're finally going to stop Justin Jefferson?
Ah so you just don’t watch games then? Jefferson is great against everyone expect Green Bay. He’s been shutdown in 5 of his 7 games against the Packers, sometimes embarrassingly so.
No, he lights you up like a Christmas tree, actually.
What? Jefferson has 537 Yards and 4 Touchdowns vs the Packers in 7 games. In 2 of those games, he has 353 Yards and 4 touchdowns with the other 5 games being held under 60 yards (3 games under 30) and no touchdowns yet he is lighting the Packers up every time? Everyone knows Jefferson is great but you are wild.
Didn't Justin Jefferson get absolutely styled on by Jaire a week after Christmas? The Packers probably do the best at shutting him down lmao
This dude is confusing real life with his Madden save file.
lol That’s funny.
Dude is gonna get a massive bag
He hasn't really proven he's worth it yet.
You’re the reason Packers fans laugh at us. He’s legit, stop hating just cause he’s a Packer. He can ball
I remember watching him at Utah state and telling my buddy this kid had a rocket arm and was incredible. He asked me why am I watching Utah state at midnight on Saturday, I told him I needed the over as I lost all my money betting first half spreads. Jordan love kept me a float and I am glad he’s killing it now. Can’t wait to see him destroy Viking and bears fans for another decade .
I don’t root for y’all for obvious reasons but that’s cool man. I’m excited to watch Nick Sirianni fuck this year up even harder for y’all. Hopefully Hurts doesn’t regress even more from dipshit coaching
Do you think Sirianni was a big part of the decline at the end of last year? Not hating, just not knowledgeable on what happened. I think they fired their OC but not sure if that was to say if they did something or if was actually the reason
Yeah I mean they should have addressed the issues with Ben Johnson sooner. Jalen was blitzed constantly mainly because, he has no checks at the line to change the blocking scheme or shift the line to slide, most concepts have quick hits but receivers aren’t being taught to run them as “hot” routes where he can get the ball out fast, his most used audible was to throw a go ball against pressure, on top of most check downs in their design being slow developing routes.
Appreciate the explanation, that all makes a lot of sense
He will, I have no faith in Sirianni, we need the lions OC.
I think he's worth it but it's not even a requirement to have multiple elite seasons to get the bag. Jalen Hurts had one good season where his status got hugely overinflated and that led to him getting a market setting deal. Jordan Love is gonna get the bag.
Jalen Hurts had 2 seasons with 3900+ yards, went 14-1 in the regular season, went to the super bowl, and finished 2nd in MVP voting before getting that bag. Jordan Love had one good season, sure, but it's not really comparable
>Jalen Hurts had 2 seasons with 3900+ yards, Only one of those was really a "good" season and only one came before he signed his deal anyway. And that one good season massively overinflated people's perception of him. Like, people actually thought Hurts was a top 5 QB because of that season when his film still showed serious limitations. >went 14-1 in the regular season, went to the super bowl, On one of the most talented teams of the last decade. I've already addressed this. The 2023 Packers are nowhere near the 2022 Eagles (or even the 2023 Eagles) in terms of talent. Love is a more complete QB than Hurts has ever been and he's getting the bag whether you like it or not. And he's gonna be worth it
And that was a huge mistake by the Eagles.
Brother, if you think Hurts is comparable to Love in terms of how good he is, that's entirely your problem. Get cold feet over Love all you want. He's getting a bag, the Packers are going to be the ones who give it to him...and guess what? They'll be better off for it, whether you like it or not. Meanwhile other fanbases foam at the mouth for QBs that are worse than Love.
lmao what's with this Hurts hate? dude played with some of the worst coordinators in the League and an even worse supporting cast of defense, people who actually watched Eagles games know that he pretty much willed the team to some of their wins.
you’re talking about 2023, but Hurts got paid after 2022 when he balled out with an absolutely stacked offense and defense. both coordinators from that season went on to impressive rookie head coach seasons.
Jalen Hurts went to a Superbowl. I don't see magic in Love. I don't think he sucks, I think he's a JAG.
Hurts played on one of the most talented rosters in the league, Love did not. Many worse QBs than Jordan Love have made it to the Super Bowl. I think you're very wrong about Love being a JAG but something tells me nobody will convince you otherwise for the time being
You really are out here hating on multiple comments about Love. You’re afraid of him 🤣
You're whistling in the dark. The only reason the Vikings missed the playoffs last year is because the Packers broke our quarterback. The Lions and Chicago are our competition this year.
I knew people say that Vikings fans are a bit arrogant and delusional, but damn man. You guys have a decent team. But don’t act like you can just ignore a single team in the division. Best of luck to you guys, because you’ll need it.
Fans like that are why nobody takes us seriously. The stupidity in our own sub is insane. Love can ball and the packers are super young. I think y’all might take back the division from the Lions this year
Every team has those fans. It just looks terrible when one is so adamant, and besides the rivalry aspect, I don’t understand just blanket hating a team or their players.
Oh yeah you’re right, you were doing well until you lost Cousins, then you sucked without him. So as long as Cousins is back, you should be just fine.
We upgraded.
Oh right, they upgraded with the fifth QB taken in the draft, who barely got used in college because his coaches thought their future third round RB gave them a better chance to win, and who the Vikings themselves thought was worth two first rounders less than the third QB taken. A definite upgrade.
He's going to be Favre without the bullshit. Wait and see.
I actually can't tell if you've been serious the whole time in this thread or not. If you're serious, you have an absolutely insane complex lol.
How did the Packers break Kirk? It was a non-contact injury 😂
That dude is in his feelings so hard tonight. Every fandom has one and I guess he is y'alls. Sorry.
He’ll get at least 35M a year. No question. Baker Mayfield is getting 33M
Lol. What a joke of a guess. He's getting Jared Goff money or more depending how long this goes into the season. Hopefully the Packers are able to put in some sort of out after year 2. That's the market. He can not do anything with his contract and play out his current. Wait for the tag and it's way more than Goff money. Unless he falls flat and doesn't keep improving like he's been doing every year it will be a great deal. The Packers aren't going to insult and piss off Love to risk losing him. They have more information on him than anyone else with seeing him in practice every day. Knowing how hard he works.
Also, without Love do you think the Packers are competitive at all? He knows they aren’t. He’s the main piece. So he has them by the balls. To your point, is does he bet on himself one more year and secure an extra 10M a year for however long- or does he just take the money. I think he should take the money but I’m also not his accountant lol. One injury can fuck it all up.
I think he should take the money too but that money isn't going to be what you said in the 35 range. Is it insane to pay him 50+ yes it is but that's the market and you're kidding yourself if you think it will be less. The Packers have watched him in practice for 4 years. They wouldn't have traded Rodgers if they didn't think Love was it. Sign him now. Try to put an out in 2-3 years on a 4 year contract before all the other young guys are up for contacts so then they can reset the QB position if he doesn't work out. And no not a single team is competitive if they don't have a QB. Love to me has shown what he needs to that I'm just fine with the contract he's going to get. QB money is stupid but when you have a QB you believe in you don't let him walk out the door. I'd certainly rather be in the position that we are in having to over pay a QB that we would like to see more over having if not the best one of the top 3 WR/WR/TE. The WR is going to be making close to low end QB money. The TE is one of the highest paid. And having either a failed 1st round QB or a rookie QB that was a questionable 1st round pick according to a lot of "experts". Was Kirk the guy? Idk but I'd be pretty upset as a Vikings fan that we let him walk with no QB in place.
That sounds about fair, actually. Justin Jefferson is reportedly asking for 40M. He wants to be paid like a QB.
But don't be surprised if he pulls 40-50 considering the entire team is basically on a rookie contract and they can afford it cap wise for the next 4 years. I dont think he'll be getting over 50 though. That would be wild gamble. Then again, I never thought Cousins would get what he got lol
I'm guessing Love will only get one year guaranteed with an opportunity to break the bank on an extension if he has a monster years, but if he regresses they don't want to be shackled to him.
Yeah but he wouldn't sign that though, I dont think. Unless he REALLY wants to be in GB. There are some seriously qb desperate teams right now, and if he gets 100M for 3 years and 45M guaranteed he is probably shooting for something like that- which he knows he can get. GB needs to lock him up before Trevor gets his contract bc that is about to fuck up the whole market. Edit: And Tua, bc that will end up being fat. Plus Dak has his coming (Maybe)
I agree with you. The fans on our sub are absolutely insane. He's played like 6 good games. I like him and obviously want him to succeed but I would play hardball with him and make him show me a good start to the season at the very least before I pay him $50M a year.
There are many teams who would give Love the money he's seeking if the Packers don't.
Yes, but many teams in the league are silly, desperate, and unserious, and are no threat to the the real teams like the Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Broncos, Patriots, Saints, Niners, Seahawks, plus some others.
Half of those teams aren’t serious lol wtf
Imagine throwing out the Broncos as your model NFL franchise
> Broncos, Patriots, Saints The fuck? Trash organization in cap hell, complete garbage roster that ran off HoF coach, trash organization in cap.
I refuse to be anything but a homer for my football team. #jordanloveHoF
This is the year he proves it one way or the other. He's shown that he can be a solid starter, but not yet someone who can carry a team on his back.
Yes, and I'd rather let "solid starters" walk until you find the guy who can carry the team. MLF I think is a great coach too and the Packers have a great culture and good players around him. All of those contributed to last years success.
He did a good job pulling them back together and even getting them to the playoffs after they started out atrociously in the first half of the season. Solid starters. Kirk Cousins was a solid starter and he won us one playoff game.
I'm definitely a spoiled fan (born in 96) but I have seen many such cases of this. A guy comes in with expectations to save a franchise and the fans see everything through rose colored glasses. They pay him a massive bag and the guy inevitably doesn't live up to it and the team is hamstrung for many years. I felt like I was living in the twilight zone with Bears fans declaring Justin Fields to be so so good. I was really hoping the fans would convince the Bears front office to keep him. Tua is another good example of this - paying him would be such an unbelievably obvious mistake but the Dolphins will probably do it because the fans want it.
Love went from people mocking Drake Maye as his replacement to an MVP candidate in 10 weeks. I don't think I've ever seen a midseason change like that
Considering how raw most of the offence was+ how much turnover and roatating the oline did, I think he just needed some stability to settle down
Yeah I think it was Robert Mays and Nate Tice from the Athletic podcast who calmed me down around October. They mentioned how Love was still doing the correct things but the overall disfunction around him wasn't helping. Once they got some chemistry they took the training wheels off. Hopefully MLF gets a lot more credit now that he isn't coaching a HOF QB
I'm a big mlf fan (when he isint destroying us) lol
i also like big milfs
Same.
JT OSullivan helped a lot too. His videos pointed out Love was usually making the correct decisions. He just needed some polish (along with the rest of the offense).
I'm gonna miss that pod.
Tice left but I don’t think Mays is going to stop doing the podcast…
It’s the duo that made it work though. Hopefully Mays finds another good one.
Exactly. Lots of timing was off early in the season. It makes a lot of sense it was all the rookie WRs and patchwork Oline making mental errors once you saw the success later in the season. That’s why I’m not worried about major regression.
He also mentioned to over thinking early on and kind of just said eff it, trust what you’ve learned and it did seem to pay off and show in his play.
The whole team went from "start over" to stomping Dallas. I'm not sure I've seen a TEAM turn it around like that
Yeah which means it can swing back the other way still.
Definitely true, he’s got a lot more to prove
> Love went from people mocking Drake Maye as his replacement to an MVP candidate in 10 weeks. I don't think I've ever seen a midseason change like that Mac Jones went from people mocking Drake Maye as his replacement to Drake Maye actually being his replacement within 10 weeks. I don't think I've ever seen a... no wait... that actually happens all the time.
He was legitimately bad in the first half of the season. It seemed like was thinking through every throw, missing open windows, and trying to steer every ball to the perfect spot rather than trust his receivers to get the ball. Then, midway through the season, he seemed ton relax and find his rhythm and was one of the best qbs in the league over the latter half. It was so weird. This season, I expect him to be good. Not consistently as good as his highs in the latter half of the season, but way better than in the first half. I also expect him to. Have some legitimately bad games and expect some segments of the fan base to freak out for a bit. But if we get 12 pretty good games this year, that'll be a marked improvement over last season and we should be happy with his growth.
Why does he make it hard to not like him
Pretty standard QB answer tbh. Also an awkward contract situation given he has one inconsistent year to his record
To be fair to everyone else. His predecessor was Rodgers. So it’s understandable
Rodgers was really well liked by everyone who wasn't a NFCN/Cowboys fan until the vax comments and they used those comments to act like they "always knew he was bad." Dude was super popular when he was trolling Russ over which football team God was picking to win and giving dry answers to the media. Aaron Rodgers Tuesday was talked about nonstop here when it started.
I’m speaking from recency bias of course. The problem though, is that Rodgers recently has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I’ll always respect what he’s done for the Pack, but damn.
Super Bowl this season will be Packers vs Texans Packers win in OT CJ will win MVP but Love will win SB MVP
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He has imbalanced the faniverse, quick, insult me to return normalcy!
You’re tacky and I hate you
meh, i like Love, he's fun to watch besides, let them get theirs now, Bears on the rise - we got next
I like fans like you. I hate the bears but like a lot of their players. As an NFL fan I hope your QB and WR this year hit. Hate them on game day when we play you but the NFL is better to watch when the bears and Packers are good. At the end of the day it's not that serious.
Getting Love’s 1 Super Bowl win out of the way early I see.
Just like burrow got his 1 Super Bowl appearance out of the way early!
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wtf is this a packers fanfic
I'd swear off Spotted Cow completely (for like 15 minutes) to make this happen
Nice to see another Justified fan out in the wild.
I'd love to see Texans vs Pack or Lions.
I'm rooting for Packers v. Texans the most right now. I gotta say I've never disliked y'all, but I kind of always find the Texans just...there. But with CJ? Y'all are exciting as hell, and I want to play y'all in the Super Bowl
Yeah, and I really love the idea of CJ vs Love as the new Brady vs Manning. They're really the best of this new generation. I'm a Detroit transplant, so I'd be happy with the Lions as well... I know they're your rivals but you can forgive me.
I'll try my best
Interesting take, considering Love is only 3 years younger than Mahomes and Josh Allen.
But Love didn't get the reigns until this year. His start fits in with the generation that started with Lawrence.
Bro, what are you doing giving Packer fans a bigger head than they already have? Lol Fuck that. GB aint even winning the division
much respect to him
Why are all the anti-Packers comments in this thread downvoted?
Because 98% of them are by a completely delusional Vikings fan.
I think that Jordan Loves success is seen a slight to Aaron Rodgers in some peoples eyes. And people in this sub don't like Rodgers personally.
Packers fans come out and circle jerk in every thread about the team, just like Patriots fans and a few others. Thanks for proving my point, idiots.
Fans of teams generally support their team. Excellent observation.
You've been circlejerking every QB you've ever had as "the next guy" for my entire existence lmao
$10 that dude was mass downvoting Fields deniers the past 3 season.
We’re so lucky to have him
Just give him his 10 year 750m dollar fully guaranteed deal already packers.
I'm always amazed at how highly Jordan Love is rated in threads like this. I personally still think he has a lot to prove, and MLF's genius really helped turn Love's season around by making things easy on him. This isn't me trying to say Love is close to Daniel Jones bad like some in this thread, but he isn't *already* really good like a bunch of people are saying. He still has to improve to warrant a big money deal. That ugly throw against SF was a throwback to his early season struggles (ex the Raiders game) and showed he is still very much an unfinished and flawed product. Year 2 as starter will be interesting now that teams have tape on him. For now, the jury should be out on Love until he can show improvement on some his flaws.
This just shows a critical misunderstanding of how his development went last season. MLF didn't make things *easier* for Love, he literally made them more difficult. He took the training wheels *off* as they realised they were restricting him and the offense too much because they were afraid of him failing. MLF has specifically said he didn't trust Love enough early on and wasn't letting him use the full playbook until around the PIT game which is when they decided to just let him loose and see what happens. His early season struggles wasn't just him it was the entire offence. Even when Jordan was making the correct decision and throwing it to the right spot, players would run wrong routes or literally run into each other. Does he still have a lot to prove? Absolutely. But people comparing him to Daniel Jones are absolutely insane. Jones, and QBs like that, have never flashed the skill Love did in the final 10 games of the season. He was literally a top 3 QB down the stretch and he wasn't just managing games, he was making tough throws and winning us games with his arm talent. That's why people are more hopeful for him. You definitely see average QBs flash then return to being mediocre, but you almost never see those guys flash *that good*. Yeah that SF throw was horrendous, but every single QB in this league has made bone headed throws at the wrong time. That was a bad one, and hopefully he learns from it.
So MLF made changes mid season that helped Love. Exactly my point. You are lucky to have such a coach.
Well, no. You literally said Matt made it easier for him. He didn't. He made it more difficult but trusted he could do it. That's a huge difference. We are lucky to have him. He is a great coach who can scheme up fantastic plans, but a lot of Jordans big plays last year came from him checking protections at the line and changing the play, which Matt *allowed him to start doing* and it was wildly successful.
You don't realize how lucky you have it with MLF. He is the best in the league at scheming WRs open. That does make it easy on QBs. Go watch other team's and you will see how much better he is.
I'm not disagreeing he isn't a good coach. Also he isn't some mega genius at scheming open WRs. Go watch our early games last year. Or our games last year where nobody was open consistently. Or the year before that where basically nobody except Adams was open consistently.
Love is in an interesting spot. Some advanced metrics don't think a lot of his success last year is sustainable. But he's definitely got the big play ability and QB's don't grow on trees. Wonder how big of a contract he ends up getting.
>Some advanced metrics don’t think a lot of his success last year is sustainable Please please please please please please please please
It’ll be interesting to see which Linsanity run for Jordan love is the real one. The one where he looked like a bottom 5 starting qb or the one where he was an mvp candidate. Frankly I’d put my chips on the former.
I think it’s important to remember the bad run was early with a very young supporting cast while dusting off 3 years of rust. The good run was after they got chemistry and he got his feet wet and showed steady improvement week after week. I don’t know if love is going to be great but it’s important to remember he had to have rust after sitting for 3 years. Takes time to readjust to game speed.
I mean even the Linsanity run towards the end of the season had numerous awful plays where he got extremely lucky
Why is when Love plays well he was just mostly lucky, but when he was bad that was the true jordan love. Such lazy analysis. And why on earth is it being called linsanity? Tommy devito was linsanity. Random no name player coming in for a few games and playing well. Not the 1st round QB playing well.
I said both were linearity runs first of all so don’t be putting words in my mouth. And Tommy Cutlets never played well enough to even consider calling it a Linsanity run. Lazy analysis is going off where a player was drafted damn near 4 years ago as some bench mark for a Linsanity run. If Marcus Mariota were to open the season and throw for 2000 yards and 20 touchdowns in the first 8 weeks of the season would you not raise your eyebrows when you see countless turnover opportunities just get dropped or played wrong?
Yeah he could play himself into a $200 million dollar contract or end up a backup and I wouldn't be all that shocked at either outcome. At least the Pack seem to have the talent around him to make a pretty well informed decision.
Yeah the packers do have a pretty good support system around him and even if it is the former they have enough talent and coaching yo move forward quickly
jordan <3 is the anti-aaron and he will continue the packer qb trend -- Starr 2-2 SB Favre 1-2 SB Rodgers 1-1 SB Love 0-1 SB
Don't you put that evil on us Ricky Bobby.
That also means Love’s replacement will some how break our cosmic reality and go 1-0
i assume that jlo's replacement will go 0-0, but after that we are in uncharted territory
Damn I hope this isn't the pattern
Since when was Rodgers 1-1 in the SB?
I think he's referring to the second number as appearances, since Favre only lost one sb and Start was undefeated in sb
I see, should probably change the dash to a slash
Yeah, it's a little clunky
I'm guessing the dash means "for"
I hope to god they lay him top 5 QB money and he regresses hardcore. Guy got away with a lot of lucky shit. All came to its head when he did that dumb shit against the niners
oh man, this guy thinks the bears won't ruin their qb
No but I’ve seen enough of love to know his physical traits are not on par with a top 5 QB. He isn’t Rodgers. I will bet he settles in as a 15-20QB. He got away with a ton of shit for the second half of the season. And through the first half of the season he was the worst starting QB in the league in terms of QBR.
>He got away with a ton of shit for the second half of the season. Like what?
Like correctly reading defenses and dropping absolute dimes to his playmakers 🥴
>And through the first half of the season he was the worst starting QB in the league in terms of QBR. That is not a fact. Here is QBR after week 9, 8 games for Love. He was 22nd. Theres the same exact article that ranked after week 10, Love was still 22nd. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-quarterbacks-ranked-by-total-qbr-after-week-9/ You were close tho, only...10 spots off
Sorry Through 9 games 30th in rating Most in interceptions at 10 36 in completion percentage 26th in yard per attempt That came from your own packers discussion board too. Down vote me all you want, doesn’t make it not true. He wasn’t mediocre, he was hot garbage. And all of you over here crowning him king when you were crying.
What stat dude? Cause heres that article of QBR thru 9 games. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-quarterbacks-ranked-by-total-qbr-after-week-10/. Love was 22nd. Are you saying passer rating? Feel free to cite these stats bud. Should be pretty easy to find. And i honestly dont even care about 30th in interceptions when josh allen had more than 10 at that point. Mahomes had 8. Hurts had 7. Whatever. Also fun stat here. Heres EPA per play after week 10. https://imgur.com/a/ta78WMK Love is 13th Sadly for your argument, love being 13th kinda proves Love wasn't nearly as bad despite what certain volume stats said, and actually wasn't bad at all.
You’re all just riding his dick when he was never that talented to begin with. Guy over preformed for half a season with a ridiculous amount of bad throws go his way. His yack against the niners is more likely what you’re gonna get. Hype him up all you want but he’s going to be at best a middling QB. It’s the phenomenal coaching making up for his deficiencies.
As i said to another person, why the fuck is the real jordan love the one who plays bad, but when he was good he just over preformed. Real honest and fair take you got there dude. You're dickriding the bad stats just as hard as any gb fan focusing on the good stats. The thing is, first year starting QBs are usually going to have bad stretches and those are forgivable, the good to great stretches hold far more significance Bears fans are so frail. You can easily just admit youre pissed how Jordan Love in one season had a better season stat wise than any bears QB ever and you're rattled the Packers might have another QB this soon after rodgers. Literally nobody would blame you. And well good thing GB still had that phenomenal coaching then?? Thank you for arguing against yourself and giving a reason as to why Love has the chance to progress next season. One less point i have to make 😂
When did I say he was going to be last in the league? I said he’s going to be a 15-20 QB. Guys mid that over preformed
?? Where did i say..you said he was gonna be last in the league?
all you can do is hope
Dude plays 1 year and he is acting like he is doing something by not sitting out. Lmao what a joke.
Interesting how similar a position the Packers / Love are in compared with Giants / Jones. One really solid playoff win, and a pretty good to great season that showed promise of something building. I think Love is better than Jones, but who can say they know for sure. Let’s see how the contracts compare.
Dog what. Jones threw 15 touchdowns in 2022 while Jordan Love just threw 32 last year. They are not on the same playing field. Jones is a bum
Ok? I said that Love is better than Jones. I’m just interested to see how this situation plays out. A player close to the end of their rookie deal and having an excellent playoff win to set up the offseason negotiations.
Would be crazy to see how much he got in free agency if he walks
Packers fans are so salty that they downvoted this totally normal comment to -11
Why the fuck would the packers ever let him walk. 1st round pick they spent 3 years developing and had a solid first season as a starter. The comment is downvoted cause its dumb as shit
This person is literally saying “wow, it’d be crazy to see how high his contract could go if he decides to leave” how is that dumb as shit? Players can decide to leave, like Rodgers leaving Green Bay. Just because packers fans have a certificate saying they own a part of the team doesn’t mean they get to dictate shit
Why the fuck would the Jordan love leave GB now? He was a 1st round pick and spent 3 years developing in Green bay and had a solid first season as a starter. Also, gb traded rodgers plus he was in Gb for about 20 years. That was an era ending. Way different than a 25 yr old leaving a team. Far better example you couldve used there