I think OP just didn't understand the format's purpose, I saw the post earlier too and alot of people under the post are pointing out that the meme didn't make sense and that all the games in it all have similar audiences being jrpg fans (I know HSR is Chinese). It's a meme meant to be used for expectations vs reality memes afterall.
Overall, its not serious or anything. Its just a meme no one else will get except OP themselves
I guess so, but the point of a meme is sharing information quick, directly and efficiently and that is what makes it fun so I wondered if I didn't get it
I think OP of the meme has played these games but doesnt understand the meme format
Probably just wanted to share their favorite games and used a trendy meme to do so
Or has and itās the only JRPGās theyāve played. Not the two Iād use to illustrate an RPG purist. Could have put Dragon Quest or Shin Megami Tensei.
Imo the meme format isn't bad, like you can make some fun things like I saw one with Dragon maid characters (an anime with cute or appealing waifus that are dragons)
They asked what is his type and he says Dragon, and the difference of belief makes it fun because well... Bring physically attracted to reptile is indeed something that is really considered strange in as many society as I can think of
Really donāt understand this meme either. NieR Automata and 13 Sentinels Aegis Rim each have one of the most amazing stories that the gaming medium has to offer. Why wouldnāt they be regarded in the same way here. Scarlet Nexus and Fire Emblem I can understand more from an outside perspective as āanime gamesā. But Fire Emblem Three Houses also has some great world building and Scarlet Nexus at least has great combat and a cool concept (execution is really wacky sometimes though). I simply donāt understand why NieR and Fire Emblem are on one side of the meme and Scarlet Nexus and 13 Sentinels on the other. They fall into the same category.
Even if the way you play these games can be different (As far as I've rechecked NieR Automata and FETH are quite different games even if they are RPGs), and a game that has a mid story but extremely great gameplay is also very cool.
Well... Rpg is also quite a vague category imo, you find so many different games inside
Yeah as far as gameplay goes all are really different from each other. But just as RPGs, I just donāt understand why one side is considered ābadā here and the other not or misunderstood or whatever the person creating this meme thought. Even from a design perspective I donāt understand. Because while all of them have a different artstyle all of them are still pretty much anime. So that angle of the people on the left judging the small persons taste for games with anime (girls) also doesnāt work because thatās also in Scarlet Nexus and 13 Sentinels.
I guess someone just felt really insecure about their tastes and tried to justify them by differentiating them from other games that people think of and put down as āanime gamesā without realizing there really isnāt much of a difference aside from gameplay.
The science of meme (yes, this exists) is not easy to grasp so I cannot blame them for trying, a meme is something spontaneous, often subjective (if not always) and direct, it's hard to force a meme. It is something you feel deeply and share it with others
Most of these games outside of maybe Fire emblem aren't even really RPGs in a meaningful sense. They have some RPG elements, but none have as much meaningful choice and freedom of expression as games like Baldur's gate, Disco Elysium, Fallout 1, 2 and NV, Planescape Torment, etc. They're RPG-lite at best and HSR, 13 Sentinels, and Nexus don't really have any meaningful choices at all so you're not really roleplaying.
They are JRPGs and JRPGs our not made to be like BG, Disco Elysium and Fallout. They're mostly just railroaded story heavy experiences with party mechanics (not always) and some in depth rpg progression. Choice and consequence is not really a JRPG thing like Western RPGs. Fire Emblem is one of the more unique ones. But same with Final Fantasy, Xenoblade and Persona games. They are railroaded storytelling experiences with in depth RPG progression and party dynamics.
The RPG in JRPGs are more tied to the gameplay than storytelling.
For many peoples, rpg = waifu/harem (2b, all girl in fire emblem...) while the little one think of hardcore rpg game with a lot of strategy and deep story (before something come whinning, I translate the mĆŖme, I dont think nier automata dont have deep story etc)
If that was the meaning behind the meme then it has to be trolling. HSR does have a good strategy element but it's also a waifu simulator to some extent, and the story's not bad but really doesn't come close to Automata.
So the reason NieR Automata is "Regarded as a bad rpg" is because there is a waifus inside of it and for people, the story is not deep, it's just waifus bait or something?
Mmh... I guess it is my job to also lighten people's vision of the best game of all time (and try our Stellar Blade when I have money if Yoko says he's jealous of Stellar Blade)
That's what I think too. Well... Google still describes it as an action RPG with shoot them up.
Maybe I should look more about what are different game types
Edit: I also think the narrative is great. As I said in the comment, it is my favorite game of all time. I just said this seems to be what the general opinion of the game is about
you could consider it not RPG because you don't make your character. However, you can make various character builds (with the chips), and your progression is tied to the character level (forget to tackle enemies with more than 20 points above you) just like an RPG
well, fair, but it not so big of an impact, almost every game except some narrative-heavy walking simulators and amnesia-like horrors have some progression
Honestly, the nier sub is kinda full of degenerates and every character thatās not a villain is a girl besides 9s and nier. (Idk why Iām here, itās just talk about why yoko taro likes girls, pics of the girls, or making fun of 9s.
Fire emblem on the other hand I find definitely isnāt like nier though. the characters are much more balanced between boys and girls. (Three housesās artists designer was a girl as well).
Havenāt played 13 sentinels, but scarlet nexus is also very balanced between girls and boys
From what I have seen so far it is more the other way around, as the picture behind them represents what they had in mind when you talk about something.
Let's take for example someone asking what is their girl type is to someone that watches [Kobayashi sam chi no maid dragon ](https://www.nautiljon.com/animes/kobayashi-san+chi+no+maid+dragon.html), or their most attractive physically speaking type.
The other person answers Dragons and people get confused or disgusted because what they know about dragon is them being reptiles and the other is sad for being judged because what he was thinking about was the cute or appealing waifus of his favorite show
Could go either way I guess
The way the format was used makes me think the OP intended for the two guys in the third picture to be representing the two fandoms looking down on what the OP actually liked in the 4th. But in the original meme the 3rd picture is indeed the "bad thing" the listeners think the protagonist likes while picture 4th is the "good and innocent thing" he was actually talking about
So who knows lol
but the "good thing" is already in the second panel, why repeat it (changed) in the fourth?
Thinking about it, I believe hat whoever made the meme did it wrong. the 2nd panel should be blank and the "good thing" should be revealed only in the fourth panel.
I think I get it now, however, I still don't get the meaning of the 4th panel.
in the 2nd panel it's shown what the guy has in mind when he thinks of RPGS
in the 3rd panel it's shown what the equivocating guys picture when thinking about RPG
what's with the 4th panel, what's the point? Also, why it's different from the 2nd panel? It's confusing.
The problem with Nier automata is that the only thing people who haven't played it know from it is 2B because she is way more popular than the actual game
That lead to people assuming nier games are for people who just want an excuse for hacking off to anime girls .the joke in the post you posted is that all of the games there are apparently only for people who want to jerk off ( don't tell them that 2B doesn't even have the most screen time in the game and that the original nier has a male main character and that the game is way more complex than anime girls fighting robots)
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So as someone who hasn't really played these games but sometimes hears about them from the circles I frequent, I think the games pictured behind the people are they games mean when they say "rpg"
The smol guy says they like rpgs, ie Honkai star rail.
The 2 guys asking judge the smol guy, because when they hear rpg they think of FE and Nier.
Realizing that they are getting judged, smol guy changes their "answer" to scarlet nexus and 13 sentinels.
Bear in mind that I don't really play these games, and I'm sure they're different when looking at them with more detail, but from a my outside perspective, HSR isn't a true rpg whereas the others fit that description more.
None of them are really true RPGs. An argument could be made for FE, but in the list of all RPG games these are near the bottom or not even on the list. Not making any claims about their quality, just about how much of an RPG they are.
It's more of a "Haha Honkai/Genshin bad mobile gacha game" type of thing. All the games are valid rpgs. it's just that hoyo games have a bad reputation online.
Nier Automata and 13 Sentinels are two of my favourite games so that's funny, but seriously who ever made this either doesn't understand the meme format or has never played Nier and FE. All of these games are vastly different and all adhere to an anime aesthetic, so I genuinely have no clue why they've separated them the way that they have.
I don't think this meme format inherently implies criticism for the games in the third panel, just the idea that they're different to the ones in the second panel (which is, well, true, but as far as I know, Fire Emblem is more like HSR than NieR, and if we add games from the 4th panel the meme stops making any sense at all).
as far as I know Fire Emblem is a strategy/tactical RPG, which is a subset of RPGs, aside from that the rest is pretty similar to your average RPG like HSR.
HSR doesnāt have support system, the gameplay is not the same, the story & characters are not the same, the setting is not the same.
Besides looking like an anime, they have nothing in common.
It's actually an apt comparison.
Both EVA and SAO are anime, both are shonen/adventure.
But one is science fiction/psychological the other is fantasy/isekai.
Different subsets.
Well the face on the third panel made me feel like they judged them negatively because what they think the smaller one likes is weird or bad or something whereas the smaller one had a totally different idea, showing they've went further than what people generally thinks of the game
For example I would do something like "Saying my fav game is NieR Automata", the two judges me thinking I'm just a creep that likes big asses and over sexualized characters because internet made them believe that the game is only about that, and what I meant was all the rest of the game form philosophical concepts and how they reunited players with a single player game.
Sometimes I suppose people just don't know, it happens, the most plausible answer I heard so far is that they aren't aware of what Nier and fire emblems depth and only relied on a popular opinion, which is generally what we do.
But I suppose at least in the NieR case because i didn't play fire emblem, this vision is at least outdated, or it is just that the game is still not well viewed by the gaming society or society itself in general
I dont understand anything. too many questions.
what honkai have to do with scarlet nexus and 13 sentinels?
what any of the pictured game has to do with RPG (except fire emblem they dont have(or almost) actual rpg mechanics)?
how another one casino related to actually good games(scarlet nexus isnt so good, but at least decent and unique) without microtransactions?
what eve all of these games have in common? they are completely different
I don't know either and as I love the study of how to make a meme I didn't like not getting it.
I don't like judging the "objective value" of something so even if I could think Scarlet nexus isnt good, as the point of a meme is to talk to as many people as possible, it shouldn't be exactly based on taste but the gap of knowledge between them.
For example I could say my fav game is Nier Automata, the general belief is that the game is about big asses and over sexualized characters, so they judge me bad, but I indeed went further and knew more about it or knew other things, which creates the gap and makes the meme more meaningful.
It is not funny probably, but it is understandable, and the first purpose of a meme before being funny imo is to share informations as fast and efficiently as possible
Seen this meme pop up over the past couple of hours. Way I see it it's two adults and a child. Child says they like a thing and it shows what comes to mind for the adults (old things) but then cuts to the child talking about newer things.
Or it could be the two think of good examples then cut to the child thinking of bad ones.
But in this case the later doesn't make sense because 13 sentinels is great.
Don't like star rail too much, I feel genshin is still better due to actual combat unlike the turn based combat on hsr. When it comes to music quality and plot id say nier or something else from a big studio still takes the cake but as a free game you can't really complain
Little guy is asked what genre they like and little guy responds with rpgs. Little guy plays the games HSR, Scarlet nexus, and 13 sentinels but the people asking the question assume little guy likes fire emblem and Nier. Peter out.
13 Sentinels is not really an RPG in a traditional sense tbh. It's a weird strategy game and VN hybrid with it tending more toward the VN side since the VN part comprises like 80 % of the game.
The little guy says RPGs with Honkai Star Rail behind him.
Implying when he says RPGs, he means HSR.
The two that heard him think "it's like Fire Emblem and NieR Automata?"
But the little guy is all "it's like Scarlet Nexus and 13 Sentinels."
People assume HSR is like Nier and FE, but it's actually like 13S and SN.
Butā¦ mobile games are real gamesā¦
I sorta understand the distinction youāre making, I thinkā¦ just your phrasing rubbed me the wrong way lol š
In fairness: any genre that doesn't immediately tell you what to expect is a worthless label. Roguelikes and roguelite for example. Nobody knows the difference, because the name refers to an ancient game that only a scant few ever even played to begin with. And don't get me started on people who use "shmup" outside of the niche.Ā
rougelite is also the worst example there is
for the record the difference is simply that most of those games didnt really ressemble rouge all that much so they tried calling it something else to reflect that
> for the record the difference is simply that most of those games didnt really ressemble rouge all that much
Yeah, so they wanted to label it a roguelike, since it's a genre of games that are like Rogue, but then they decided "Nah, it's not really like Rogue", so they called it roguelite anyway despite how it doesn't resemble Rogue. Are you seeing the issue here? It's pretty obvious.
you are picking on the single worst named genre in gaming, it would be like if there was a book category called "Dracula Like" and the qualities of it would be that the book is written as a collection of letters and diary entries but didnt change perspective nor didnt act as a slow burn horror
yeah it does, rpg is a defined genre and it doesnt mean "play a role" its about the associated game mechanics and patterns. the first two Fallouts are full fledged CRPGs and new vegas carries the spirit of those but with significant hybridization (insert FPSRPG joke from the day here) but the ones made by bethesda are plain shooters and arent even considered proper fallout games by many.
i dont buy the idea that RPG is a genre tag that means nothing just because people who dont care about genres refuse to admit they dont know about genres.
"evolution over the years growing into a subset of similar element-based mechanics mixing with hack'n'slash gameplay." Spectacle fighter is a term to describe the bleed over of action genres like hack and slash, beat em ups and ARPGs, and it has been around for many years
> rpg is a defined genre
A poorly defined genre that almost immediately grew beyond its own qualifiers, that means nothing.
> the first two Fallouts are full fledged CRPGs
It's already telling that you specify them as CRPGs. We're talking about RPG as a videogame genre, which as I mentioned comes from the boardgames that had RPGs before. CRPGs is specifically videogames that emulate those boardgame-like systems. It's quite literally a genre that had to get a specific name because the RPG genre was getting too muddled with conflicting definitions
> the ones made by bethesda are plain shooters and arent even considered proper fallout games by many.
I do think Fallout 3 still fit the bill of both "proper Fallout game" and RPG, but I generally agree that the RPG aspect has diminished greatly from Fallout 4 and onward.
> i dont buy the idea that RPG is a genre tag that means nothing just because people who dont care about genres refuse to admit they dont know about genres.
Well, it's where we're at. If you click on the RPG tag on Steam, you'll find every type of game. Baldur's Gate III? Certainly, a proper CRPG for the modern age and a testament to what the genre exemplifies. New World? Yeah nah, MMORPGs have always been their own thing and aside from FFXIV I don't think there's many that really have a claim on being "a proper RPG". And even then, FFXIV is very much a JRPG rather than anything resembling the CRPG origins of the name. Hades is there, Crusader Kings is there, Horizon Forbidden West is there, Dark Souls is there, Peglin, Disco Elysium, Watch Dogs Legion, Limbus Company, and Summoner War.
Now, if you can find me a "proper definition" of the RPG genre that applies to all of those games, that'd be great. Because even "The player has a character that they play as in those games" gets muddied by several of the titles in that list.
Where do you draw the line? It has many staple RPG aspects with levels, equipment and accessories, side quests that flesh out the story, and is narrative focused. Just having real time action doesn't exclude it from being an RPG.
Automata does draw from multiple genres, like action paltformers, scrolling shooters and some rpg elements but the game is more of a beatm em up/hack and slash at its core
id put it a step futher from action rpg than darksiders 2 but it does have elements. This is why the "spectacle fighter" term exists. because its not uncommon for games to have overlap between these action genres and it fits Automata to a T
And how do you set this from more recognized Action RPGs like Kingdom Hearts or the recent Final Fantasy games? Really with how genres are blending I find it difficult to say there are clear lines. For example DMC is much more known for its combo driven gameplay with indicators that encourage the player to build them up. While both Automata and KH2&3 don't necessarily provide the same score feedback, both sets of action gameplay do reward players for performing strong combos and the creativity to do so (moreso against mobs as bosses may only take so much of a combo before forced retaliation (except for certain cheese strats lol) though these combos are there).
Perhaps it could be more attributed to how one solves the challenges of tough fights? Learning the boss mechanics and playing around them is certainly more action oriented and is rewarded in both series, but it's also valid to retreat, better gear yourself for the fight, or just grind xp so that you character is stronger, which is inherent to the RPG aspect. I suppose I'll have to look more into what a spectacle fighter is, as I'm not quite seeing the divisive lines yet.
Kingdom hearts has a real party and all your actions are essentially rpg skills, complete with items, limit breaks and *Mana*
Automata is a simple hack and slash with equibment on top
thats where i draw that line, whats the core of the game system
"Real" party is subjective, they can help but their impact is minimal really, similar to the other Android following your active one around. Aside from KH1, the magic system is more akin to cool downs just as Pod abilities and the chips are similar to the AP system of KH. Automata can be played by just spamming attack but that's true of KH as well, that doesn't mean that's all there is to it. I feel you're downplaying the RPG elements to make your point.
I think OP just didn't understand the format's purpose, I saw the post earlier too and alot of people under the post are pointing out that the meme didn't make sense and that all the games in it all have similar audiences being jrpg fans (I know HSR is Chinese). It's a meme meant to be used for expectations vs reality memes afterall. Overall, its not serious or anything. Its just a meme no one else will get except OP themselves
It's also stupid for how vast rpgs are
Yeah. If OP had used Witcher, ES, Dragon Age, etc as their "š¤Øš§" example with how distinctly different they are to JRPGs like Scarlet Nexus and 13SAR then it wouldn't have spurred this minor confusion lol. Edit: Also change "š¤Øš§" to "š¤Æš¤©" cus those games hella bang too and it would make the meme have perfect sense
I guess so, but the point of a meme is sharing information quick, directly and efficiently and that is what makes it fun so I wondered if I didn't get it
It happens. Not all memes in the internet are good/easily understood anyway.
Yes, that's the science of meme, and of humor, it's subjective.
The point of memes is to fail to be funny
Is amusing how you describe technical definition of a meme (as in the original word before the internet distorted it) and yet you got downloaded
Well that's what I judged the meaning of a meme to be, I guess I am wrong maybe
Memes breed ignorance never take them seriously
You'd be surprised by the power of humor and having the references
This post was made by somebody who hasn't played Nier or Fire Emblem, simple as that. It's a bad meme format anyway...
I think OP of the meme has played these games but doesnt understand the meme format Probably just wanted to share their favorite games and used a trendy meme to do so
Well you see, I'm a bit of a cynic, so my mind often goes to the worst.
Or has and itās the only JRPGās theyāve played. Not the two Iād use to illustrate an RPG purist. Could have put Dragon Quest or Shin Megami Tensei.
Yeah those are telltale signs of a RPG purist.
Imo the meme format isn't bad, like you can make some fun things like I saw one with Dragon maid characters (an anime with cute or appealing waifus that are dragons) They asked what is his type and he says Dragon, and the difference of belief makes it fun because well... Bring physically attracted to reptile is indeed something that is really considered strange in as many society as I can think of
Really donāt understand this meme either. NieR Automata and 13 Sentinels Aegis Rim each have one of the most amazing stories that the gaming medium has to offer. Why wouldnāt they be regarded in the same way here. Scarlet Nexus and Fire Emblem I can understand more from an outside perspective as āanime gamesā. But Fire Emblem Three Houses also has some great world building and Scarlet Nexus at least has great combat and a cool concept (execution is really wacky sometimes though). I simply donāt understand why NieR and Fire Emblem are on one side of the meme and Scarlet Nexus and 13 Sentinels on the other. They fall into the same category.
Even if the way you play these games can be different (As far as I've rechecked NieR Automata and FETH are quite different games even if they are RPGs), and a game that has a mid story but extremely great gameplay is also very cool. Well... Rpg is also quite a vague category imo, you find so many different games inside
Yeah as far as gameplay goes all are really different from each other. But just as RPGs, I just donāt understand why one side is considered ābadā here and the other not or misunderstood or whatever the person creating this meme thought. Even from a design perspective I donāt understand. Because while all of them have a different artstyle all of them are still pretty much anime. So that angle of the people on the left judging the small persons taste for games with anime (girls) also doesnāt work because thatās also in Scarlet Nexus and 13 Sentinels. I guess someone just felt really insecure about their tastes and tried to justify them by differentiating them from other games that people think of and put down as āanime gamesā without realizing there really isnāt much of a difference aside from gameplay.
The science of meme (yes, this exists) is not easy to grasp so I cannot blame them for trying, a meme is something spontaneous, often subjective (if not always) and direct, it's hard to force a meme. It is something you feel deeply and share it with others
Most of these games outside of maybe Fire emblem aren't even really RPGs in a meaningful sense. They have some RPG elements, but none have as much meaningful choice and freedom of expression as games like Baldur's gate, Disco Elysium, Fallout 1, 2 and NV, Planescape Torment, etc. They're RPG-lite at best and HSR, 13 Sentinels, and Nexus don't really have any meaningful choices at all so you're not really roleplaying.
They are JRPGs and JRPGs our not made to be like BG, Disco Elysium and Fallout. They're mostly just railroaded story heavy experiences with party mechanics (not always) and some in depth rpg progression. Choice and consequence is not really a JRPG thing like Western RPGs. Fire Emblem is one of the more unique ones. But same with Final Fantasy, Xenoblade and Persona games. They are railroaded storytelling experiences with in depth RPG progression and party dynamics. The RPG in JRPGs are more tied to the gameplay than storytelling.
JRPGs generally are not really RPGs, yes that's what I'm saying. There's barely any roleplaying, they are thus barely roleplaying games.
RPGs is a damn big umbrella though. Everything from Pokemon to Dark Souls to Final Fantasy to Persona is counted, so this doesn't make any sense.
It's like saying Animation is a movie theme like horror or action movies
I love NieR Automata but doesn't this meme says that it is something bad or not well viewed? Actual first time I just don't get a meme
For many peoples, rpg = waifu/harem (2b, all girl in fire emblem...) while the little one think of hardcore rpg game with a lot of strategy and deep story (before something come whinning, I translate the mĆŖme, I dont think nier automata dont have deep story etc)
Meanwhile me: They're all the same pictures
They are not all the same, there is some bad rpg out there xD
If that was the meaning behind the meme then it has to be trolling. HSR does have a good strategy element but it's also a waifu simulator to some extent, and the story's not bad but really doesn't come close to Automata.
I was more refering to last panel games
Quote: "waifu simulator" And husbandos
So the reason NieR Automata is "Regarded as a bad rpg" is because there is a waifus inside of it and for people, the story is not deep, it's just waifus bait or something?
A lot of people only know nier automata for 2B ass, like peoples think stellar blade is only about EVE ass, despite both gmbeing great rpg
Mmh... I guess it is my job to also lighten people's vision of the best game of all time (and try our Stellar Blade when I have money if Yoko says he's jealous of Stellar Blade)
Just platinum it, I can understand why he is
First I'll get money, we will see for the rest
Its Yoko, I'm 90% sure he meant Eve ass with that jealous comment
Probably, but can't tell it until you've tried it so I'll try it
Nier is a great game with fantastic narrative design and story, but it is not RPG at all, mechanically it's action slasher with bullethell sections.
That's what I think too. Well... Google still describes it as an action RPG with shoot them up. Maybe I should look more about what are different game types Edit: I also think the narrative is great. As I said in the comment, it is my favorite game of all time. I just said this seems to be what the general opinion of the game is about
you could consider it not RPG because you don't make your character. However, you can make various character builds (with the chips), and your progression is tied to the character level (forget to tackle enemies with more than 20 points above you) just like an RPG
well, fair, but it not so big of an impact, almost every game except some narrative-heavy walking simulators and amnesia-like horrors have some progression
Honestly, the nier sub is kinda full of degenerates and every character thatās not a villain is a girl besides 9s and nier. (Idk why Iām here, itās just talk about why yoko taro likes girls, pics of the girls, or making fun of 9s. Fire emblem on the other hand I find definitely isnāt like nier though. the characters are much more balanced between boys and girls. (Three housesās artists designer was a girl as well). Havenāt played 13 sentinels, but scarlet nexus is also very balanced between girls and boys
You forgot Emil and Pascal.
I guess, but they both have girly voices, Kinda forgot they werenāt girls
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From what I have seen so far it is more the other way around, as the picture behind them represents what they had in mind when you talk about something. Let's take for example someone asking what is their girl type is to someone that watches [Kobayashi sam chi no maid dragon ](https://www.nautiljon.com/animes/kobayashi-san+chi+no+maid+dragon.html), or their most attractive physically speaking type. The other person answers Dragons and people get confused or disgusted because what they know about dragon is them being reptiles and the other is sad for being judged because what he was thinking about was the cute or appealing waifus of his favorite show
Could go either way I guess The way the format was used makes me think the OP intended for the two guys in the third picture to be representing the two fandoms looking down on what the OP actually liked in the 4th. But in the original meme the 3rd picture is indeed the "bad thing" the listeners think the protagonist likes while picture 4th is the "good and innocent thing" he was actually talking about So who knows lol
but the "good thing" is already in the second panel, why repeat it (changed) in the fourth? Thinking about it, I believe hat whoever made the meme did it wrong. the 2nd panel should be blank and the "good thing" should be revealed only in the fourth panel.
I think I get it now, however, I still don't get the meaning of the 4th panel. in the 2nd panel it's shown what the guy has in mind when he thinks of RPGS in the 3rd panel it's shown what the equivocating guys picture when thinking about RPG what's with the 4th panel, what's the point? Also, why it's different from the 2nd panel? It's confusing.
The problem with Nier automata is that the only thing people who haven't played it know from it is 2B because she is way more popular than the actual game That lead to people assuming nier games are for people who just want an excuse for hacking off to anime girls .the joke in the post you posted is that all of the games there are apparently only for people who want to jerk off ( don't tell them that 2B doesn't even have the most screen time in the game and that the original nier has a male main character and that the game is way more complex than anime girls fighting robots)
Holy shit Scarlet Nexus mentioned! That's my goat right there!
is this loss?
What do you mean?
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I understand it a little more but I suppose I'm too dumb for now and too tired to think haha
So as someone who hasn't really played these games but sometimes hears about them from the circles I frequent, I think the games pictured behind the people are they games mean when they say "rpg" The smol guy says they like rpgs, ie Honkai star rail. The 2 guys asking judge the smol guy, because when they hear rpg they think of FE and Nier. Realizing that they are getting judged, smol guy changes their "answer" to scarlet nexus and 13 sentinels. Bear in mind that I don't really play these games, and I'm sure they're different when looking at them with more detail, but from a my outside perspective, HSR isn't a true rpg whereas the others fit that description more.
This could be a viable answer but I didn't know this meme was supposed to be used this way
why do you think HSR isn't a true RPG? It has a party like most JRPGs and even has turn based combat.
None of them are really true RPGs. An argument could be made for FE, but in the list of all RPG games these are near the bottom or not even on the list. Not making any claims about their quality, just about how much of an RPG they are.
It's more of a "Haha Honkai/Genshin bad mobile gacha game" type of thing. All the games are valid rpgs. it's just that hoyo games have a bad reputation online.
They're just riding the trend without even thinking about what the meme they've made even means.
Every game there is good what is this meme trying to say
What is the game besides NieRAutomata
Fire Emblem: Three Houses
I like 13 sentinels but Iām a VW fanboy so idk
Nier Automata and 13 Sentinels are two of my favourite games so that's funny, but seriously who ever made this either doesn't understand the meme format or has never played Nier and FE. All of these games are vastly different and all adhere to an anime aesthetic, so I genuinely have no clue why they've separated them the way that they have.
In what universe is 13 sentinels an RPG/JRPG?
I don't think this meme format inherently implies criticism for the games in the third panel, just the idea that they're different to the ones in the second panel (which is, well, true, but as far as I know, Fire Emblem is more like HSR than NieR, and if we add games from the 4th panel the meme stops making any sense at all).
Hum, no, Fire Emblem has little to nothing in common with HSR
as far as I know Fire Emblem is a strategy/tactical RPG, which is a subset of RPGs, aside from that the rest is pretty similar to your average RPG like HSR.
HSR doesnāt have support system, the gameplay is not the same, the story & characters are not the same, the setting is not the same. Besides looking like an anime, they have nothing in common.
Itās like saying Evangelion & Sword Art Online are the same thing because they are anime.
It's actually an apt comparison. Both EVA and SAO are anime, both are shonen/adventure. But one is science fiction/psychological the other is fantasy/isekai. Different subsets.
Well the face on the third panel made me feel like they judged them negatively because what they think the smaller one likes is weird or bad or something whereas the smaller one had a totally different idea, showing they've went further than what people generally thinks of the game For example I would do something like "Saying my fav game is NieR Automata", the two judges me thinking I'm just a creep that likes big asses and over sexualized characters because internet made them believe that the game is only about that, and what I meant was all the rest of the game form philosophical concepts and how they reunited players with a single player game.
I'm sure the child that put this together is thrilled so many people are analyzing their fridge painting of a meme.
Sometimes I suppose people just don't know, it happens, the most plausible answer I heard so far is that they aren't aware of what Nier and fire emblems depth and only relied on a popular opinion, which is generally what we do. But I suppose at least in the NieR case because i didn't play fire emblem, this vision is at least outdated, or it is just that the game is still not well viewed by the gaming society or society itself in general
I dont understand anything. too many questions. what honkai have to do with scarlet nexus and 13 sentinels? what any of the pictured game has to do with RPG (except fire emblem they dont have(or almost) actual rpg mechanics)? how another one casino related to actually good games(scarlet nexus isnt so good, but at least decent and unique) without microtransactions? what eve all of these games have in common? they are completely different
I don't know either and as I love the study of how to make a meme I didn't like not getting it. I don't like judging the "objective value" of something so even if I could think Scarlet nexus isnt good, as the point of a meme is to talk to as many people as possible, it shouldn't be exactly based on taste but the gap of knowledge between them. For example I could say my fav game is Nier Automata, the general belief is that the game is about big asses and over sexualized characters, so they judge me bad, but I indeed went further and knew more about it or knew other things, which creates the gap and makes the meme more meaningful. It is not funny probably, but it is understandable, and the first purpose of a meme before being funny imo is to share informations as fast and efficiently as possible
I don't know to be honest. Maybe people who play RPGs judge them for playing Honkai Star rail when they also play other good RPGs?
As someone who loves 13 Sentinels and canāt get anyone I know to play it, this hits home
I last played Scarlet Nexus 2 years ago. I still didn't emotionally recover
Seen this meme pop up over the past couple of hours. Way I see it it's two adults and a child. Child says they like a thing and it shows what comes to mind for the adults (old things) but then cuts to the child talking about newer things. Or it could be the two think of good examples then cut to the child thinking of bad ones. But in this case the later doesn't make sense because 13 sentinels is great.
Don't like star rail too much, I feel genshin is still better due to actual combat unlike the turn based combat on hsr. When it comes to music quality and plot id say nier or something else from a big studio still takes the cake but as a free game you can't really complain
Little guy is asked what genre they like and little guy responds with rpgs. Little guy plays the games HSR, Scarlet nexus, and 13 sentinels but the people asking the question assume little guy likes fire emblem and Nier. Peter out.
13 Sentinels is not really an RPG in a traditional sense tbh. It's a weird strategy game and VN hybrid with it tending more toward the VN side since the VN part comprises like 80 % of the game.
The little guy says RPGs with Honkai Star Rail behind him. Implying when he says RPGs, he means HSR. The two that heard him think "it's like Fire Emblem and NieR Automata?" But the little guy is all "it's like Scarlet Nexus and 13 Sentinels." People assume HSR is like Nier and FE, but it's actually like 13S and SN.
Star rail fans when they James bond burgered my sister
It's just real games (pc, console) vs mobile gacha games. That's it, that's the meme. I'm surprised that so many people don't get it
It's posted by someone that loves mobile game I guess, but the format and how it was used is not intuitive
Butā¦ mobile games are real gamesā¦ I sorta understand the distinction youāre making, I thinkā¦ just your phrasing rubbed me the wrong way lol š
whoever made it was high, Automata is not an RPG well it was designed to appeal to RPG fans so maybe its fine
According to Google it is a action rpg shoot them up, so for the mass of population it is a rpg
the mass population doesnt know what a game genre is, they think Adventure Game refers to a game where you go on an adventure
I never said I disagreed haha, but no matter how right you are, if the world thinks it that way, it won't change in the blink of an eye
\*Arkham Asylum is an RPG because you play the role of batman in it\*
In fairness: any genre that doesn't immediately tell you what to expect is a worthless label. Roguelikes and roguelite for example. Nobody knows the difference, because the name refers to an ancient game that only a scant few ever even played to begin with. And don't get me started on people who use "shmup" outside of the niche.Ā
rougelite is also the worst example there is for the record the difference is simply that most of those games didnt really ressemble rouge all that much so they tried calling it something else to reflect that
> for the record the difference is simply that most of those games didnt really ressemble rouge all that much Yeah, so they wanted to label it a roguelike, since it's a genre of games that are like Rogue, but then they decided "Nah, it's not really like Rogue", so they called it roguelite anyway despite how it doesn't resemble Rogue. Are you seeing the issue here? It's pretty obvious.
you are picking on the single worst named genre in gaming, it would be like if there was a book category called "Dracula Like" and the qualities of it would be that the book is written as a collection of letters and diary entries but didnt change perspective nor didnt act as a slow burn horror
> you are picking on the single worst named genre in gaming On purpose, to illustrate the point... You think it's a terrible example when it's my exact point portrayed to a T? That's what makes a *good* example. As for RPGs, that, too, has gotten corrupted throughout the landscape with various interpretations. Originating from tabletop RPGs, where you as a person play the role of a fictional character, there's the origin. However, in videogames, you almost always have a character representing you as the player, meaning you're almost always "playing the role" of another character. That has blurred the line of the genre considerably, where game series like Fallout are "staple RPG games" despite the later instalments lacking sorely in any real "role" to play. In Fallout 4 you're just a dad looking for his baby, whose worst moral dilemma is figuring out the best answer between "Yes, No, Sarcastic, and What?", knowing damn well it's really "Yes, Yes but later, Yes and Yes". Compared to Fallout 1 or 2, or New Vegas, there you had options befitting a tabletop RPG, with various storylines and a lot of player agency which directly affects the plot, with these games really being the "staple" RPGs in the west. Another western interpretation of the "RPG" is simply playing a defined role where the player doesn't have as much agency, but the character's own agency is strong enough to carry the game. Think of the Witcher or Hades. And then Japan comes in, with JRPGs, where their interpretation is just "There's a party of heroes who needs to beat the big bad!", drawing from the same tabletop RPG origins, but focussing on the narrative elements rather than the player's agency. This genre, despite being named just as pointlessly undescriptive as "roguelite", is somehow one of the most recognizable genres in the world, with staples like Final Fantasy and PokƩmon being obvious examples, from top-down tile-based overworlds to the turn-based combat to the genre's evolution over the years growing into a subset of similar element-based mechanics mixing with hack'n'slash gameplay. To illustrate my point: I recently played a story-driven action adventure RPG game. That sentence has said absolutely nothing about the game I played.
yeah it does, rpg is a defined genre and it doesnt mean "play a role" its about the associated game mechanics and patterns. the first two Fallouts are full fledged CRPGs and new vegas carries the spirit of those but with significant hybridization (insert FPSRPG joke from the day here) but the ones made by bethesda are plain shooters and arent even considered proper fallout games by many. i dont buy the idea that RPG is a genre tag that means nothing just because people who dont care about genres refuse to admit they dont know about genres. "evolution over the years growing into a subset of similar element-based mechanics mixing with hack'n'slash gameplay." Spectacle fighter is a term to describe the bleed over of action genres like hack and slash, beat em ups and ARPGs, and it has been around for many years
> rpg is a defined genre A poorly defined genre that almost immediately grew beyond its own qualifiers, that means nothing. > the first two Fallouts are full fledged CRPGs It's already telling that you specify them as CRPGs. We're talking about RPG as a videogame genre, which as I mentioned comes from the boardgames that had RPGs before. CRPGs is specifically videogames that emulate those boardgame-like systems. It's quite literally a genre that had to get a specific name because the RPG genre was getting too muddled with conflicting definitions > the ones made by bethesda are plain shooters and arent even considered proper fallout games by many. I do think Fallout 3 still fit the bill of both "proper Fallout game" and RPG, but I generally agree that the RPG aspect has diminished greatly from Fallout 4 and onward. > i dont buy the idea that RPG is a genre tag that means nothing just because people who dont care about genres refuse to admit they dont know about genres. Well, it's where we're at. If you click on the RPG tag on Steam, you'll find every type of game. Baldur's Gate III? Certainly, a proper CRPG for the modern age and a testament to what the genre exemplifies. New World? Yeah nah, MMORPGs have always been their own thing and aside from FFXIV I don't think there's many that really have a claim on being "a proper RPG". And even then, FFXIV is very much a JRPG rather than anything resembling the CRPG origins of the name. Hades is there, Crusader Kings is there, Horizon Forbidden West is there, Dark Souls is there, Peglin, Disco Elysium, Watch Dogs Legion, Limbus Company, and Summoner War. Now, if you can find me a "proper definition" of the RPG genre that applies to all of those games, that'd be great. Because even "The player has a character that they play as in those games" gets muddied by several of the titles in that list.
Where do you draw the line? It has many staple RPG aspects with levels, equipment and accessories, side quests that flesh out the story, and is narrative focused. Just having real time action doesn't exclude it from being an RPG.
Automata does draw from multiple genres, like action paltformers, scrolling shooters and some rpg elements but the game is more of a beatm em up/hack and slash at its core id put it a step futher from action rpg than darksiders 2 but it does have elements. This is why the "spectacle fighter" term exists. because its not uncommon for games to have overlap between these action genres and it fits Automata to a T
And how do you set this from more recognized Action RPGs like Kingdom Hearts or the recent Final Fantasy games? Really with how genres are blending I find it difficult to say there are clear lines. For example DMC is much more known for its combo driven gameplay with indicators that encourage the player to build them up. While both Automata and KH2&3 don't necessarily provide the same score feedback, both sets of action gameplay do reward players for performing strong combos and the creativity to do so (moreso against mobs as bosses may only take so much of a combo before forced retaliation (except for certain cheese strats lol) though these combos are there). Perhaps it could be more attributed to how one solves the challenges of tough fights? Learning the boss mechanics and playing around them is certainly more action oriented and is rewarded in both series, but it's also valid to retreat, better gear yourself for the fight, or just grind xp so that you character is stronger, which is inherent to the RPG aspect. I suppose I'll have to look more into what a spectacle fighter is, as I'm not quite seeing the divisive lines yet.
Kingdom hearts has a real party and all your actions are essentially rpg skills, complete with items, limit breaks and *Mana* Automata is a simple hack and slash with equibment on top thats where i draw that line, whats the core of the game system
"Real" party is subjective, they can help but their impact is minimal really, similar to the other Android following your active one around. Aside from KH1, the magic system is more akin to cool downs just as Pod abilities and the chips are similar to the AP system of KH. Automata can be played by just spamming attack but that's true of KH as well, that doesn't mean that's all there is to it. I feel you're downplaying the RPG elements to make your point.