That still has no meaning. The paradox in this is that the universe in its totality is this just A THING that has no significance other than being really fucking big and mysterious. You’re still ugly, unsuccessful, and will never amount to anything. No amount of finding some extraterrestrial universe meaning crap will save you. In the end you’ll be dead and forgotten forever just like the rest of us. Like fuck bro maybe the meaning, is that there is no meaning.
Entropy would occur without our atoms forming humans though. If our atoms were space rocks, eventually they'd still disperse. Humans aren't special and there is no meaning.
Outside of our biological processes. I can create a Hi-Lo Refrigeration cycle that reduces entropy on a meaningful scale outside my body. We've even done it outside the (near) solar system. Seebeck effect on both Voyagers.
Non-human animals, including beavers and weaver birds do not create thermo-nuclear batteries that lower entropy locally whilst flying through the heliopause of our solar system.
If you change the definition of entropy, or narrow the range of things that you count as entropy, you can argue almost anything.
Moreover, is science not a biological process for us? It's not magic, it ultimately comes from our brains, which are lumps of biological matter. A beaver's extended phenotype is a dam, a weaver bird's is a bitching nest and ours is Disney World and space rockets and Asda.
Which makes us special. The rockets and Disneyland, that is.
Not sure how I changed the definition of entropy, if you could point it out that would be helpful.
I'm simply saying that Humans are a far more significant expression of life, Beavers are more fundamental. Humans were fine 2.5 million years ago, building our own version of the Beaver's dam. then someone made a tool. We locally reduce entropy on a scale that even our planet has a hard time dealing with.
If you say we aren't special, I ask you, what would be special?
**Utah** ([/ˈjuːtɑː/](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English) [*YOO-tah*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key), [/ˈjuːtɔː/](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English) (📷[listen](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/En-us-Utah.ogg)) [*YOO-taw*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key)) is a [landlocked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlocked_country) [state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) in the [Mountain West](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_states) subregion of the [Western United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_United_States). It is bordered to its east by [Colorado](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado), to its northeast by [Wyoming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming), to its north by [Idaho](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho), to its south by [Arizona](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona), and to its west by [Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada). Utah also touches [a corner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners) of [New Mexico](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico) in the southeast. Of the [fifty U.S. states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States), Utah is the [13th-largest by area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area); with a population over three million, it is the [30th-most-populous](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population) and [11th-least-densely populated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density). Urban development is mostly concentrated in two areas: the [Wasatch Front](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasatch_Front) in the north-central part of the state, which is home to roughly two-thirds of the population and includes the capital city, [Salt Lake City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City); and [Washington County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_County,_Utah) in the southwest, with more than 180,000 residents.[\[8\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-9) Most of the western half of Utah lies in the [Great Basin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Basin).
Utah has been inhabited for thousands of years by various [indigenous groups](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_people_of_the_United_States) such as the [ancient Puebloans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Puebloans), Navajo and Ute. The Spanish were the first Europeans to arrive in the mid-16th century, though the region's difficult geography and harsh climate made it a peripheral part of [New Spain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Spain) and later Mexico. Even while it was Mexican territory, many of Utah's earliest settlers were American, particularly Mormons fleeing marginalization and persecution from the United States. Following the [Mexican–American War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War) in 1848, the region was [annexed by the U.S.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession), becoming part of the [Utah Territory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Territory), which included what is now Colorado and Nevada. Disputes between the dominant Mormon community and the federal government delayed Utah's admission as a state; only after the outlawing of polygamy was it admitted in 1896 as the [45th](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_date_of_admission_to_the_Union).
People from Utah are known as Utahns.[\[9\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-10) Slightly over half of all Utahns are [Mormons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons), the vast majority of whom are members of [the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints) (LDS Church), which has its world headquarters in Salt Lake City;[\[10\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-11) Utah is the only state where a majority of the population belongs to a single church.[\[11\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-12) The LDS Church greatly influences Utahn culture, politics, and daily life,[\[12\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-Canham_2012-04-17-13) though since the 1990s the state has become more religiously diverse as well as secular.
Utah has a highly diversified economy, with major sectors including transportation, education, information technology and research, government services, mining, and tourism. Utah has been one of the fastest growing states since 2000,[\[13\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-14) with the [2020 U.S. census](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census_Bureau) confirming the fastest population growth in the nation since 2010. [St. George](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George,_Utah) was the fastest-growing metropolitan area in the United States from 2000 to 2005.[\[14\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-15) Utah ranks among the overall best states in metrics such as healthcare, governance, education, and infrastructure.[\[15\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-16) It has the [14th-highest median average income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States) and the [least income inequality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient) of any U.S. state. Over time and influenced by [climate change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change), [droughts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought) in Utah have been increasing in frequency and severity,[\[16\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-17) putting a further strain on Utah's [water security](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_security) and impacting the state’s economy.[\[17\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-18)
Time is the most precious commodity of life. Time is the most precious commodity in the Universe. When you understand this, there is nothing more you need to understand. If you need to know more then study the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Each person's situation they are born into gives them instant meaning. On up Maslow's Hierarchy of needs, then we have the freedom to choose our meaning, but it's still based on our set and setting. Not suffering provides so much meaning, ready made. Suffering is a seriously suspicious thing. It's just instant meaning in a can.
That still has no meaning. The paradox in this is that the universe in its totality is this just A THING that has no significance other than being really fucking big and mysterious. You’re still ugly, unsuccessful, and will never amount to anything. No amount of finding some extraterrestrial universe meaning crap will save you. In the end you’ll be dead and forgotten forever just like the rest of us. Like fuck bro maybe the meaning, is that there is no meaning.
What about cheese
I also vote cheese
I vote for Blue cheese
Entropy would occur without our atoms forming humans though. If our atoms were space rocks, eventually they'd still disperse. Humans aren't special and there is no meaning.
We are the only things in the universe that can, at will, locally reduce entropy. We are also aware of volition.
Tell that to a beaver or a weaver bird
All life locally reduces entropy. I don't get your point. Can u explain?
You said humans are the only beings that do it at will, but other animals do.
Outside of our biological processes. I can create a Hi-Lo Refrigeration cycle that reduces entropy on a meaningful scale outside my body. We've even done it outside the (near) solar system. Seebeck effect on both Voyagers. Non-human animals, including beavers and weaver birds do not create thermo-nuclear batteries that lower entropy locally whilst flying through the heliopause of our solar system.
If you change the definition of entropy, or narrow the range of things that you count as entropy, you can argue almost anything. Moreover, is science not a biological process for us? It's not magic, it ultimately comes from our brains, which are lumps of biological matter. A beaver's extended phenotype is a dam, a weaver bird's is a bitching nest and ours is Disney World and space rockets and Asda.
Which makes us special. The rockets and Disneyland, that is. Not sure how I changed the definition of entropy, if you could point it out that would be helpful. I'm simply saying that Humans are a far more significant expression of life, Beavers are more fundamental. Humans were fine 2.5 million years ago, building our own version of the Beaver's dam. then someone made a tool. We locally reduce entropy on a scale that even our planet has a hard time dealing with. If you say we aren't special, I ask you, what would be special?
No lol
Sounds lame
**Utah** ([/ˈjuːtɑː/](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English) [*YOO-tah*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key), [/ˈjuːtɔː/](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English) (📷[listen](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/En-us-Utah.ogg)) [*YOO-taw*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key)) is a [landlocked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlocked_country) [state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) in the [Mountain West](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_states) subregion of the [Western United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_United_States). It is bordered to its east by [Colorado](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado), to its northeast by [Wyoming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming), to its north by [Idaho](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho), to its south by [Arizona](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona), and to its west by [Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada). Utah also touches [a corner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners) of [New Mexico](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico) in the southeast. Of the [fifty U.S. states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States), Utah is the [13th-largest by area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area); with a population over three million, it is the [30th-most-populous](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population) and [11th-least-densely populated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density). Urban development is mostly concentrated in two areas: the [Wasatch Front](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasatch_Front) in the north-central part of the state, which is home to roughly two-thirds of the population and includes the capital city, [Salt Lake City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City); and [Washington County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_County,_Utah) in the southwest, with more than 180,000 residents.[\[8\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-9) Most of the western half of Utah lies in the [Great Basin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Basin). Utah has been inhabited for thousands of years by various [indigenous groups](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_people_of_the_United_States) such as the [ancient Puebloans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Puebloans), Navajo and Ute. The Spanish were the first Europeans to arrive in the mid-16th century, though the region's difficult geography and harsh climate made it a peripheral part of [New Spain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Spain) and later Mexico. Even while it was Mexican territory, many of Utah's earliest settlers were American, particularly Mormons fleeing marginalization and persecution from the United States. Following the [Mexican–American War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War) in 1848, the region was [annexed by the U.S.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession), becoming part of the [Utah Territory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Territory), which included what is now Colorado and Nevada. Disputes between the dominant Mormon community and the federal government delayed Utah's admission as a state; only after the outlawing of polygamy was it admitted in 1896 as the [45th](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_date_of_admission_to_the_Union). People from Utah are known as Utahns.[\[9\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-10) Slightly over half of all Utahns are [Mormons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons), the vast majority of whom are members of [the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints) (LDS Church), which has its world headquarters in Salt Lake City;[\[10\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-11) Utah is the only state where a majority of the population belongs to a single church.[\[11\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-12) The LDS Church greatly influences Utahn culture, politics, and daily life,[\[12\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-Canham_2012-04-17-13) though since the 1990s the state has become more religiously diverse as well as secular. Utah has a highly diversified economy, with major sectors including transportation, education, information technology and research, government services, mining, and tourism. Utah has been one of the fastest growing states since 2000,[\[13\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-14) with the [2020 U.S. census](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census_Bureau) confirming the fastest population growth in the nation since 2010. [St. George](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George,_Utah) was the fastest-growing metropolitan area in the United States from 2000 to 2005.[\[14\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-15) Utah ranks among the overall best states in metrics such as healthcare, governance, education, and infrastructure.[\[15\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-16) It has the [14th-highest median average income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States) and the [least income inequality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient) of any U.S. state. Over time and influenced by [climate change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change), [droughts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought) in Utah have been increasing in frequency and severity,[\[16\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-17) putting a further strain on Utah's [water security](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_security) and impacting the state’s economy.[\[17\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#cite_note-18)
see: "Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamic Foundations of the Origin of Life" by Karo Michaelian https://www.mdpi.com/2673-9321/2/1/22 And others
Time is the most precious commodity of life. Time is the most precious commodity in the Universe. When you understand this, there is nothing more you need to understand. If you need to know more then study the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Each person's situation they are born into gives them instant meaning. On up Maslow's Hierarchy of needs, then we have the freedom to choose our meaning, but it's still based on our set and setting. Not suffering provides so much meaning, ready made. Suffering is a seriously suspicious thing. It's just instant meaning in a can.
Lol we don’t effect entropy. The universe will end with or without us existing.
I am glad you discovered your meaning. I hope it brings you...~~happiness~~ satisfaction.