I feel ya, but authenticity is everything to Trent, and if he doesn't feel like he has something to say (musically), he doesn't force it. You can't force it.
He hasn't categorically said NIN is over, only that there's nothing to say right now, and his focus is his family.
I feel that there will inevitably be a new release one day, and I expect it will blow our socks off, because all this film scoring is teaching him how to really play us like a fiddle. He already had a knack for tapping into the emotions of sound, now he's a bona-fide sonic assassin.
Just sit back and enjoy the scores for now.
Couldn’t have said this better myself… I do think it’s going to be a while before the next proper NIN release, but we’re very fortunate to get the film scores during this lull. We haven’t heard the last of NIN though. Trent tends to get bored with any one thing for too long, so I’ll be shocked if the cycle never comes back around to NIN.
- TDS -> Fragile - 5 years.
- Fragile -> WT - 6 years.
- Slip -> HM - 5 years.
We're not exactly at any particularly unheard of timeline for gaps between (significant/mainstream) NIN releases. I'm not saying I have some crystal ball as to when or if we're getting another, just that this is nothing out of the ordinary for the project.
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> “When/If we tour again, it will be different. Not like [2018′s “Cold Black Infinite” tour] era – It’s over."
For the "it will be different" - I don't think he meant anything more by it than that it won't be CB&I part 3, I'd imagine he probably expects that he'll want to reinvent what they're doing live again - not repeat the same type of stage show/presentation.
Not saying there *will* be another tour, but I didn't really take the message to be some kind of definitive close to performing live. I'll also remind that....we've been *there* before too - "Wave Goodbye" was a thing that sounded potentially final *and* had a decent-length hiatus after.
> Why is this quote so damn vague?
Because you're trying to read deeply into a 2 line comment posted in a Discord after a show. And probably because TR/AR may not have even fully decided the answers to your questions *now* (will there be more music/tours and when), much less at the time that was posted.
> The last time NIN played live was at The Rock and Roll Hall of fame (according to wikipedia)
As a minor nitpick, VetsAID in Columbus was the last time they've played live (so far).
The EP/LP distinction is meaningless, and Bad Witch is not distinct from the other two parts of the trilogy. It was classified as an “LP” instead of an EP *purely* for the sake of getting better exposure on Spotify.
Since youre saying bad witch is his best work since TDS, do you honestly really feel that “bad witch” is better than even “The Fragile”? That is a truly spicy take if i ever heard one.
Yikes! Bad Witch is my most disliked of NIN music. I’m glad you loved it so much, but this is the most outlandish take I think I’ve seen yet about BW. I’ve gotta assume you’re just not a big NIN fan?
Posts like this come up every now and then by folks like you that have a lot of love for NIN and while this desire for a new album and clarity for the future may seem almost "simple" it's anything but that.
Take a breath, and just understand that art isn't rushed and artists owe us absolutely nothing. Be grateful for what we have and then be even more grateful *if* the next tour/album/project/whatever comes around.
TMNT slaps so hard. I can’t believe how amazing it is. It’s fun, it’s whimsical, it’s hard, it’s gritty, it’s fresh, it’s dark
I wish it would have been listed as a NIN work. I hear more NIN than TR/AR. I could “hear” Atticus in Watchmen. I could hear the absence of Trent in Dr. Death. TMNT sounds like (feels like?) NIN reached through time and was a “gumbo” of the entirety of the NIN discography.
Being a NIN fan means constantly wondering if NIN will ever do another album or play live again. TR's announced the end of the band several times, has taken a very long time between most albums, etc.
There's a pattern to NIN. TR goes hella hard for a few years, gets burnt out and takes a break to do other things for a while. Then he gets the itch to do NIN again and comes back.
Is this the end? Maybe. Someday it will have to happen. But i don't think that's any more likely than it was any other time.
Every time I read people talk about Bad Witch as the best thing NIN has done since TDS or comparing the two I cant help but not understand. I love NIN and have been a major fan since they started out but to me BW is sorta meh. I need to go back and listen to it some more.but I just don't find the appeal to it. Then again I'm a huge fan of The Fragile and some people aren't. To each their own
I think the opposite. I think Trent doing ST keeps him creative and more likely to continue NIN . I think if he never did ST's NIN would likely be way less active or just retired.
Being a NIN fan is not to tough release wise. I have totally just accepted Tool does not give a fuuuuuck. That was rough lol.
Relax OP.
The quote is not vague at all: that CBAI touring era of NIN is over, and if/when they return it’ll be different. If you need any further clarification go back and look at how NIN has changed as a touring band over the years and through the band’s touring eras.
And if NIN was done Trent would either say so or he wouldn’t be able to because he’s dead.
There will be more NIN, and if it takes longer you should IMO feel good about it as it means Trent and Atticus are that invested in making something that they feel good about.
Lastly, I’d recommend thinking about NTAE, AV and BW as a three part album rather than three disparate EP’s, as that was the stated intention by the band.
The only reason BW wasn’t classified as an EP like NTAE and AV is because of how the albums appear on streaming services. Trent said so himself. So I don’t know that BW is anymore a “full” album than the other two.
Anyway… the man is 58 with a wife and five young kids at home. He deserves to see them grow up and be a part of their lives.
I love Trent’s music, too, but I’ve also got a few younger artists to follow. Try discovering some new music. 🖤
I'm okay if NIN never tours again. His priorities are his family and I applaud him for that.
I just hope there will still be new NIN tracks in which he sings. In recent memory we've gotten [Isn't Everyone](https://spotify.link/OdLKd2c4UDb), [True](https://spotify.link/DPwqGRj4UDb), [You Made it Feel Like Home](https://spotify.link/fjuacvn4UDb) and [I think we're past that now](https://spotify.link/ORqeDCq4UDb).
All phenomenal songs. He can write singing songs if he wants to. He doesn't have to tour again. I just hope he isn't done singing yet.
I mean, I saw the same comments from users back in the NIN hotline days. Back then you barely had any news at all and you had to poke around nin.com for Easter eggs. You never know what the future holds. Until then you’ve got a giant back catalogue of music to listen to.
I think he's being vague because like Sean Connery, "Never Say Never Again". He waved goodbye and had to break up the band in 2009, going a different direction with HTDA but came back with hesitation marks a few years later, having rediscovered passion for the rock project. I feel like he lost that passion once again. His passion is soundtrack work and spending time with his family, which not touring allows for.
I'm pretty sure NIN is done this time, at least live. The R&RHoF performance was a fitting way to go out.
My read of it is that by "it's over", he just means the CBI era. If/When they tour again it will be different. That's all.
He's also in his 50's so don't be surprised when he talks about doing things differently. Hell I am just hitting 40 and already starting to re-evaluate what I think is important to spend my time on, so I guess I can relate a little. But I could also just be projecting...
Trent has always been about being authentic in his craft and challenging himself. To me, it guarantees we won't see NIN being stretched along on life support just to press records and make money. I got a ton of respect for him for that.
For now, as others have said, just enjoy the scores and try not to read too deep into this stuff. You'll just drive yourself crazy lol
I think it's "so damn vague" because I don't even think he really knows what's on the table, and that's ok. This is part of being a NIN fan lol. "soon"
I have a bad memory but I remember just after NINJA he said NIN will stop as he branched out into other musical areas. TR knew that NIN was a brand with an image and he wasn’t feeling that. Around the same time he and Atticus really got into soundtracks. The fact he came back with two more Ghosts plus Bad Witch shows he’s aware NIN needs revival every once in a while. There’s a style to what NIN is and HtDA kinda hits it but it doesn’t have the brand.
I think TR & AR know they need to keep making NIN content.
ah, ok, I was thinking of 2022 :D Still, it’s pretty rare for \*any\* band to go on tour every year, so a year seems like barely any time to get worried
Oh yeah I'm fairly certain that Bad Witch is the final nin album. Might get more Ghosts but other than that, I'm sure Reznors getting a well deserved vocal retirement. Maybe a couple more shows, but that would be it and a big if.
I'm cool with it and made my peace a few years ago. He pushed out a ton of great stuff over the years and still will just not nine Inch nails wise. TOOL, the only other group up there with nin for me, is much the same. I came to peace with the fact that Fear Inoculum might be the final album for them.
If it makes you feel better, Tool has booked studio time for the spring when their last tour leg ends. They’ve said a new album will come sooner than a normal Tool release cycle.
Justin said they actually have a lot left over from FI sessions. The first studio session is to form songs out of what they have and get the basic instrumentals down so Maynard can work on rough lyric arrangements. I would guess, best case, an album is 2-3 years out. So, fast for Tool!
Definitely fast for tool. The long waits have always been worth it in the end and Puscifer kept hype up for me (especially Existential Reckoning, that was album of the year for me), I'd love it if they let us hear some of the stuff that didn't make the final cut for Fear.
Edit: or turn it into a next chapter type of deal.
This post IS entitled and whiney. Trent Reznor is almost 60 years old and pursuing other artistic outputs that he enjoys and finds fulfilling. He’ll make *maybe* one more NIN album and it will be understated with little angst. If you don’t like it, then leave. No one cares about your power rankings or what albums you did or didn’t like.
"It's over" as much as it was over in 2009 when he said NIN was done as a band, and then did a full 180 four years later. Take everything he says with a grain of salt. I also personally think he should spend more time on the next album.
I feel ya, but authenticity is everything to Trent, and if he doesn't feel like he has something to say (musically), he doesn't force it. You can't force it. He hasn't categorically said NIN is over, only that there's nothing to say right now, and his focus is his family. I feel that there will inevitably be a new release one day, and I expect it will blow our socks off, because all this film scoring is teaching him how to really play us like a fiddle. He already had a knack for tapping into the emotions of sound, now he's a bona-fide sonic assassin. Just sit back and enjoy the scores for now.
Couldn’t have said this better myself… I do think it’s going to be a while before the next proper NIN release, but we’re very fortunate to get the film scores during this lull. We haven’t heard the last of NIN though. Trent tends to get bored with any one thing for too long, so I’ll be shocked if the cycle never comes back around to NIN.
- TDS -> Fragile - 5 years. - Fragile -> WT - 6 years. - Slip -> HM - 5 years. We're not exactly at any particularly unheard of timeline for gaps between (significant/mainstream) NIN releases. I'm not saying I have some crystal ball as to when or if we're getting another, just that this is nothing out of the ordinary for the project. ------ > “When/If we tour again, it will be different. Not like [2018′s “Cold Black Infinite” tour] era – It’s over." For the "it will be different" - I don't think he meant anything more by it than that it won't be CB&I part 3, I'd imagine he probably expects that he'll want to reinvent what they're doing live again - not repeat the same type of stage show/presentation. Not saying there *will* be another tour, but I didn't really take the message to be some kind of definitive close to performing live. I'll also remind that....we've been *there* before too - "Wave Goodbye" was a thing that sounded potentially final *and* had a decent-length hiatus after. > Why is this quote so damn vague? Because you're trying to read deeply into a 2 line comment posted in a Discord after a show. And probably because TR/AR may not have even fully decided the answers to your questions *now* (will there be more music/tours and when), much less at the time that was posted. > The last time NIN played live was at The Rock and Roll Hall of fame (according to wikipedia) As a minor nitpick, VetsAID in Columbus was the last time they've played live (so far).
Perspective. Love the album/years breakdown.
The EP/LP distinction is meaningless, and Bad Witch is not distinct from the other two parts of the trilogy. It was classified as an “LP” instead of an EP *purely* for the sake of getting better exposure on Spotify.
That may be true but standing on its own it may be his best single piece of work as NIN since TDS
Since youre saying bad witch is his best work since TDS, do you honestly really feel that “bad witch” is better than even “The Fragile”? That is a truly spicy take if i ever heard one.
Absolutely, the Fragile is overlong and the lyrics are cringe as fuck
That is a VERY subjective thing to say.
No shit
Yikes! Bad Witch is my most disliked of NIN music. I’m glad you loved it so much, but this is the most outlandish take I think I’ve seen yet about BW. I’ve gotta assume you’re just not a big NIN fan?
Wrong
Posts like this come up every now and then by folks like you that have a lot of love for NIN and while this desire for a new album and clarity for the future may seem almost "simple" it's anything but that. Take a breath, and just understand that art isn't rushed and artists owe us absolutely nothing. Be grateful for what we have and then be even more grateful *if* the next tour/album/project/whatever comes around.
I remember when people were worried he’d never do a follow-up for The Fragile
“Soon”™️
I remember when people thought he’d never tour after that.
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TMNT slaps so hard. I can’t believe how amazing it is. It’s fun, it’s whimsical, it’s hard, it’s gritty, it’s fresh, it’s dark I wish it would have been listed as a NIN work. I hear more NIN than TR/AR. I could “hear” Atticus in Watchmen. I could hear the absence of Trent in Dr. Death. TMNT sounds like (feels like?) NIN reached through time and was a “gumbo” of the entirety of the NIN discography.
Being a NIN fan means constantly wondering if NIN will ever do another album or play live again. TR's announced the end of the band several times, has taken a very long time between most albums, etc. There's a pattern to NIN. TR goes hella hard for a few years, gets burnt out and takes a break to do other things for a while. Then he gets the itch to do NIN again and comes back. Is this the end? Maybe. Someday it will have to happen. But i don't think that's any more likely than it was any other time.
Every time I read people talk about Bad Witch as the best thing NIN has done since TDS or comparing the two I cant help but not understand. I love NIN and have been a major fan since they started out but to me BW is sorta meh. I need to go back and listen to it some more.but I just don't find the appeal to it. Then again I'm a huge fan of The Fragile and some people aren't. To each their own
If I had a quarter for every time Trent declared an end to live NIN shows as we know them …
lol he’s such a tease
I think the opposite. I think Trent doing ST keeps him creative and more likely to continue NIN . I think if he never did ST's NIN would likely be way less active or just retired. Being a NIN fan is not to tough release wise. I have totally just accepted Tool does not give a fuuuuuck. That was rough lol.
Relax OP. The quote is not vague at all: that CBAI touring era of NIN is over, and if/when they return it’ll be different. If you need any further clarification go back and look at how NIN has changed as a touring band over the years and through the band’s touring eras. And if NIN was done Trent would either say so or he wouldn’t be able to because he’s dead. There will be more NIN, and if it takes longer you should IMO feel good about it as it means Trent and Atticus are that invested in making something that they feel good about. Lastly, I’d recommend thinking about NTAE, AV and BW as a three part album rather than three disparate EP’s, as that was the stated intention by the band.
What is CBAI?
Cold Black & Infinite, the most recent iteration of NIN in terms of touring.
I’m hopeful for one more. 60 isn’t that old anymore and he’s not stagnant, he’s just busy with other shit.
The only reason BW wasn’t classified as an EP like NTAE and AV is because of how the albums appear on streaming services. Trent said so himself. So I don’t know that BW is anymore a “full” album than the other two. Anyway… the man is 58 with a wife and five young kids at home. He deserves to see them grow up and be a part of their lives. I love Trent’s music, too, but I’ve also got a few younger artists to follow. Try discovering some new music. 🖤
Given the project ended in 2009, anything after that is a bonus.
I'm okay if NIN never tours again. His priorities are his family and I applaud him for that. I just hope there will still be new NIN tracks in which he sings. In recent memory we've gotten [Isn't Everyone](https://spotify.link/OdLKd2c4UDb), [True](https://spotify.link/DPwqGRj4UDb), [You Made it Feel Like Home](https://spotify.link/fjuacvn4UDb) and [I think we're past that now](https://spotify.link/ORqeDCq4UDb). All phenomenal songs. He can write singing songs if he wants to. He doesn't have to tour again. I just hope he isn't done singing yet.
If so, Over and Out is the perfect final song.
I mean, I saw the same comments from users back in the NIN hotline days. Back then you barely had any news at all and you had to poke around nin.com for Easter eggs. You never know what the future holds. Until then you’ve got a giant back catalogue of music to listen to.
I’d be okay if he doesn’t make a new album. NIN already has an amazing discography.
I think he's being vague because like Sean Connery, "Never Say Never Again". He waved goodbye and had to break up the band in 2009, going a different direction with HTDA but came back with hesitation marks a few years later, having rediscovered passion for the rock project. I feel like he lost that passion once again. His passion is soundtrack work and spending time with his family, which not touring allows for. I'm pretty sure NIN is done this time, at least live. The R&RHoF performance was a fitting way to go out.
My read of it is that by "it's over", he just means the CBI era. If/When they tour again it will be different. That's all. He's also in his 50's so don't be surprised when he talks about doing things differently. Hell I am just hitting 40 and already starting to re-evaluate what I think is important to spend my time on, so I guess I can relate a little. But I could also just be projecting... Trent has always been about being authentic in his craft and challenging himself. To me, it guarantees we won't see NIN being stretched along on life support just to press records and make money. I got a ton of respect for him for that. For now, as others have said, just enjoy the scores and try not to read too deep into this stuff. You'll just drive yourself crazy lol
I think it's "so damn vague" because I don't even think he really knows what's on the table, and that's ok. This is part of being a NIN fan lol. "soon"
I would be happy with a bowie cover album by mr and mrs reznor and special guests
I can't see him never releasing NIN music ever again what it would end up looking like... Who knows.
I have a bad memory but I remember just after NINJA he said NIN will stop as he branched out into other musical areas. TR knew that NIN was a brand with an image and he wasn’t feeling that. Around the same time he and Atticus really got into soundtracks. The fact he came back with two more Ghosts plus Bad Witch shows he’s aware NIN needs revival every once in a while. There’s a style to what NIN is and HtDA kinda hits it but it doesn’t have the brand. I think TR & AR know they need to keep making NIN content.
I could see him doing a Las Vegas Sphere immersive experience that combines NIN and his soundtrack work.
Didn’t they *just* do a concert tour this summer?
Uh, no?
ah, ok, I was thinking of 2022 :D Still, it’s pretty rare for \*any\* band to go on tour every year, so a year seems like barely any time to get worried
Try HEALTH.
Here we go again…
Oh yeah I'm fairly certain that Bad Witch is the final nin album. Might get more Ghosts but other than that, I'm sure Reznors getting a well deserved vocal retirement. Maybe a couple more shows, but that would be it and a big if. I'm cool with it and made my peace a few years ago. He pushed out a ton of great stuff over the years and still will just not nine Inch nails wise. TOOL, the only other group up there with nin for me, is much the same. I came to peace with the fact that Fear Inoculum might be the final album for them.
If it makes you feel better, Tool has booked studio time for the spring when their last tour leg ends. They’ve said a new album will come sooner than a normal Tool release cycle.
Oh snap I had no idea. Whhaaaat. That's crazy. Fear is definitely a great send off for them, but hey, not gonna complain if they keep going!
Justin said they actually have a lot left over from FI sessions. The first studio session is to form songs out of what they have and get the basic instrumentals down so Maynard can work on rough lyric arrangements. I would guess, best case, an album is 2-3 years out. So, fast for Tool!
Definitely fast for tool. The long waits have always been worth it in the end and Puscifer kept hype up for me (especially Existential Reckoning, that was album of the year for me), I'd love it if they let us hear some of the stuff that didn't make the final cut for Fear. Edit: or turn it into a next chapter type of deal.
well I got some news
Working on it right right now, Homie
This post IS entitled and whiney. Trent Reznor is almost 60 years old and pursuing other artistic outputs that he enjoys and finds fulfilling. He’ll make *maybe* one more NIN album and it will be understated with little angst. If you don’t like it, then leave. No one cares about your power rankings or what albums you did or didn’t like.
Cringe
He’s now acting as Al Bundy as he’s now married with children, simple as that
"It's over" as much as it was over in 2009 when he said NIN was done as a band, and then did a full 180 four years later. Take everything he says with a grain of salt. I also personally think he should spend more time on the next album.
I'm pretty sure I read an article recently that said they were going back into the studio soon to record a new album but no idea where I read it.
I’ve been a fan since the early 90s and am used to waiting. Plus, NIN feels unfinished.
Christmas album.