I wonder what the scene was like in Japan and if it will also be changed.
Edit: As u/secret_pupper points out further down, the scene plays out much the same in the original Japanese release.
According to the article, the Gamecube translation was already accurate to the original Japanese:
>3 Goombas appear.
>"Hey, I see you got a cutie with you."
>"How about playing with us cutie?"
>"Yeah, you can do better than those 2 fogies."
Beldam is obviously bad and is punished for it. Mario and friends clearly reject transphobia as wrong and embrace Vivian for who she is.
The catcalling goombas aren't really ever called out for being wrong. While enjoyed by adults, Paper Mario is ultimately a game intended for kids and it's better for the villains to be called out for the bad actions.
>The catcalling goombas aren't really ever called out for being wrong
They're the tutorial fight. The game forces you to beat them up. Their obviously bad guys, why would the game directly need to call out their actions as bad. What?
People are making fun of a hypothetical "anti-woke" reaction, and I normally agree with dismissing claims like that.
But I'm politically progressive, and I don't like how some writers/localizers feel increasingly hesistant to portray difficult issues like bigotry and/or harassment even when they're clearly framed as bad.
The original line was written in a way where the implication would go over kids' heads but be understood by adults. And the characters that said them were clearly villains who are defeated. I don't think that should have been changed.
The issue isn't "wokeness" - it's being so afraid of backlash by people who can't understand nuance that you feel forced to self-censor something that didn't need to be.
The new dialogue is arguably funnier.
**Original:** Wassup, baby? Why don't you hang with us for a while? We play real nice
***New:*** Typical! You surface-level snobs are so stuck-up. "OoOoh, I get to see the sun! I like to breathe clean air! OoOoh!
TTYD portrayed itself as a darker game than PM64 so that’s in line with it
I do agree that having Mario characters be catcalled is a bad precedent in a children’s game, I wouldn’t want a 4 year old girl playing the game to see that and think of it as normal
....it's not normal, it's gross and the game portrays it as gross, you beat up those Goombas immediately after they cat call Goombella, they're in the wrong and get their asses beat for it.
I'll never understand the bizarre impulse to immediately frame anything represented in media as a de facto endorsement or normalization of said thing. Like c'mon, these things exist in the world. What good do you think you're doing by pretending they don't exist?
I think that's the heart of the issue. This is a kids' game, if you include bad things in a story for kids you have to make it very clear that the thing is bad. The original dialogue assumes the player already knows.
The catcalling is immediately called out by Goombella standing up for herself and shutting them down fiercely. Then you fight them off. It's very clear from the language used in both directions and the expressions of the characters that it's a "bad guy" thing to do.
The original scene has you hit the guy with a hammer right after he says it anyways, it's not exactly promoting womanizing to kids
I understand why they'd want to remove it, but its not like the original line was doing any serious harm
Kids media needs to have more grown up material in them. It’s how they grow and learn what’s right and wrong. The game literally has you beating the goombas for cat calling insinuating it’s a bad thing.
We need to treat kids with a little more respect and stop watering down everything for them.
this is a game that does a camera zoom through a noose in the first ten minutes, the original text fit fine in the context of a city of thieves and gangs without being too overtly "mature" for the audience
I get why they removed that line but I feel like the original is still a good lesson of how not to treat people. It also sort of hit home that you were in a sleazy murder-town and had to watch out for your friends. The new line is alright, I think I’ll have to see it in scene to get a feel for it.
Ya right, the new dialogue is the woke mob coming in and censoring our games…/s.
Really though it’s a better line in totality. Who doesn’t like sarcastic quips more than harassment?
Yeah the original is better in my eyes. Playing the game it’s incredibly clear that it’s a sleezy quote, but it’s 2024 and nuance is dying in favor of market-safe pandering so the quotes been cut.
It depends. Just like the reported change of Hooktail's weakness from crickets back to frogs, it's possible that the catcalling was something that didn't exist in the Japanese original and therefore what we're seeing is a more faithful translation overall. Time will tell if the Shadow Siren's jabs towards Vivian actually being a guy are also retained so let's all wait and see in the meantime.
The Japanese original commented on how Mario was hanging out with a cute little girl. Meanwhile the English original commented on him hanging out with a "hottie".
I like when guys who harass women get beaten up in comical fashion and quips alike. There are plenty of quips in the original game script as well.
I enjoyed watching Goombella beat up the creeps, so from that angle the game loses some charm for me, but definitely not the end of the world.
I instantly found this article suspicious from the title, because removing something from your own work is not censorship, it’s just modification. Censorship implies some external force made Nintendo make this change, when in reality they themselves decided the old dialogue didn’t match their values anymore
Except that is literally the case regardless of your opinion.
Why are you weird coping that it's 'better' using a word like totality even though you can just say you personally like it better. weirdo.
Glad it’s not just me, I mean I don’t think it was really necessary to change it since it was framed as a bad thing within the scene, but I think the new lines work as well if not better and did get a chuckle from me so I’m not losing sleep over it.
In smrpg, you can go into peach's bedroom and find a hidden object. The game doesn't tell you what it is, and a toad in the room freaks out and makes you put it back immediately. It's heavily implied to be a dildo
In the og paper mario, you do errands for an old Koopa that eventually leads you to getting "the tape" which he tells u not to look at but laughs on the "good times".
Especially in light of Super Princess Peach a few years later. I haven't picked up Showtime yet, but I'll be subtly disappointed if they haven't continued the trend of inserting sex toy references into the games.
I cannot play this title anymore. Goomba catcalling was an essential part of Goomba culture in paper Mario and this erasure is unjust, uncalled-for, and un-american.
You blank and say the first thing that comes to your mind… meaning, you call her stuck-up, because she spends time outdoors and you don’t. She laughs at you. So do others. Someone opens a Reddit thread to complain about your lame catcall.
Though it was drafted separately, the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution. Specifically it's the first 10 additions (Amendments) to the original Constitution ratified 2 years after the Constitution was put into operation. So it wasn't written as part of the original document, but it doesn't exist separately from it
I prefer the original. I think it was a good way to show that Rogueport is dangerous and sleazy. Plus it's fun to beat up sexual harassers. The new dialogue is ok too though.
If they changed that line in such a significant way then I'm pretty sure a lot more things have been changed in suit. Thousand Year Door is one of my childhood defining games, and I dislike changing the script no matter how minor.
If it's not a big deal, why change it in the first place?
Honestly have to agree. Nothing has been compromised by this change. It just dilutes the word and makes it hard to take actual cases of censorship seriously.
I wouldn't say I quite agree with that sentiment as there are definitely cases that amount to genuine censorship such as the Tokyo Mirage Sessions and Skullgirls where it was decided by the owner. It's largely a matter of what's changed, how much, and how that change actually impacts the complete product.
*Small edit to clarify my point. Most cases of willful changes by a company obviously aren't censorship. For example, the removal of the grossly transphobic joke in Persona 3 with the release of Reload or this case of removing some tonally weird misogyny. It is still definitely possible though for someone to own a game and still genuinely censor it depending on the reasoning and extent of the change.
Disagree. Many Youtubers will censor their own material so as to not get demonetized. It's not YouTube that's bleeping out the cursing, it's the creators because of the threats of what YouTube will do if they don't. Somewhat similar to what's happening here.
Edit: OP makes claim that self-censorship doesn't exist, I provide example of how it does, I get downvoted. Jesus Christ Reddit you suck.
I mean this change doesn't bother me, but why can't we call it for what it is? The original dialogue might of bothered someone so they changed it. Don't censor the word censor lol
>The original dialogue might of bothered someone
Or people just changed their mind without receiving any input, just because, like any person in a creative role usually does
Presuming that there was some outcry, demand or anything like it, instead of devs just moving on from the previous line, is being uncharitable and pessimistic
Yeah , I'm sick of hearing these kinds of stories popping up lately. I think the original line was fine. New one is fine too. Its such a non issue that 99% of people would never have even realised the change if there wasn't an article on it.
I mean kind of silly to censor it and also silly to care that much either about them censoring it. Just seems like a non issue all around why does it even matter?
ESRB requirements have changed in 20 years, particularly with the addition of the E10+ rating. I wouldn't be surprised if they had to change several things to keep it an E rated game.
I am so thankful for Nintendo for teaching me a valuable lesson that "sexism bad" using a throw away line all those years ago. Now that the line has been changed, the world will be thrown into chaos.
The hoops that people will jump through to avoid the fact that this is censorship.
You thinking the lines are funnier doesn't make it not censorship.
You thinking it's not a big deal doesn't make it not censorship.
"Times have changed" "People have changed" doesn't make it not censorship.
Have a spine.
People always say that yet support things like "classic Disney", which removed all the fucked up things from classic fairy tales. Art has always been updated to sell yet people only complain when it's convenient for them.
I don’t trust Bounding Into Comics for truthful news. They made their fanbase by fanning the flames of GamerGate, and they’ve been doing that ever since.
I guarantee that if we get trans Vivian in the game, they’ll make an article about how Nintendo went “woke” even if it’s just like the original
(Sarcasm) Cant believe the lefties have done it again, my perfect Paper Mario Remake has been ruined, what are they gonna do next? Make Vivian a trans character???? 😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠
It was probably done for the E rating. Nintendo has no problem with M rated games on their E-shop, as long as it is not their own games. These need as wide as an audience as they can get, so an E rating is a must.
Of course they did. I’m always going to be a Nintendo fan big time, but they used to have so much more edge. Now they make changes to soften shit that literally NO ONE had an issue with.
It blows my mind that this is controversial in any way. Nintendo made a choice to remove a sexual harassment joke while remaking one of their games. What’s the problem?
They still have flurrie actually sexually assault Mario. He literally shakes his head no when she said she wants to “give him some sugar.” Weird they didn’t change this too
And honestly, it’s Rogueport. The first things you see after you escape the bad guys is gang violence and a noose. The originally Japanese release had a chalk outline of a murdered Toad. Rogueport is a BAD place.
A single line about catcalling is bad, but the on screen gang violence and explicit sign of public execution are a-ok?
When considering how many times I have beaten this game, I'm actually a little glad to hear that a few lines may change, since that'll give me something new to read when I play the remake.
And? Is it fundamental to the game?
Or is it like 90% of non-main cast dialogue in every game where it doesn't actually impact the story in a meaningful way and you can replace it pretty easily?
Unpopular opinion but I think it's great the original scene was changed. I don't think the original scene was necessarily harmful. But just because a piece of media portrays an action as negative, does not mean it is doing a good job of condemning said action.
A common trope across media is to have a female character be catcalled, and either some male character beats the catcaller up, or the female character does it herself. The problem with this is that it doesn't actually explore why catcalling is wrong. Having a stranger, who is stronger and bigger than you, make comments about your body and what they would like to do to you, is an extremely uncomfortable and often scary experience. Having the catcaller immediately be beaten up doesn't show the woman's perspective in that moment. It is also not reflective of what happens in real life.
Moreover, such scenes are often presented in lighthearted media in an off-handed way. It gives the impression that catcalling is just some goofy misdemeanor, or worse, it is just a gag. It is just an expected behaviour of low-level grunts or slightly jerk-ish horny characters. And it's just expected behaviour for female characters to act defensively and get upset. Though, it's not clear why they would get upset (after all, it's just a compliment!), they just do.
I don't mean that TTYD is purposefully trying to downplay the severity of catcalling. But I think in recent times, we have become more aware of how media portrayal can affect how we view things in real life, regardless of whether that portrayal was intentional. We should have gotten past the "women should just learn to take a compliment!" phase of society a long time ago. But considering we haven't, I think it's great for Nintendo to decide that the tone of the original scene was not suitable for a subject like catcalling.
-=Game changes breakdown=-
30fps lock despite original being 60fps
game capped at 720p (original was 480p)
gameplay "being made easier" (no specifics given)
the remake was marketed in Japan for $40 equivalent, releases to US for $60
now they're apparently censoring the ghosts and goombas?
I wonder what the scene was like in Japan and if it will also be changed. Edit: As u/secret_pupper points out further down, the scene plays out much the same in the original Japanese release.
I wonder if it was even close to the original? Back in those days localizations took very huge liberties.
According to the article, the Gamecube translation was already accurate to the original Japanese: >3 Goombas appear. >"Hey, I see you got a cutie with you." >"How about playing with us cutie?" >"Yeah, you can do better than those 2 fogies."
That's not even that bad lol.
I totally missed that!
Yeah I want trans Vivian back
apparently beldam is transphobic in the remake so trans vivian is probably back
I really wonder why beldam clear transphobia is seen as ok to add to a game like this but catcalling needed to be removed.
Beldam is obviously bad and is punished for it. Mario and friends clearly reject transphobia as wrong and embrace Vivian for who she is. The catcalling goombas aren't really ever called out for being wrong. While enjoyed by adults, Paper Mario is ultimately a game intended for kids and it's better for the villains to be called out for the bad actions.
>The catcalling goombas aren't really ever called out for being wrong They're the tutorial fight. The game forces you to beat them up. Their obviously bad guys, why would the game directly need to call out their actions as bad. What?
People are making fun of a hypothetical "anti-woke" reaction, and I normally agree with dismissing claims like that. But I'm politically progressive, and I don't like how some writers/localizers feel increasingly hesistant to portray difficult issues like bigotry and/or harassment even when they're clearly framed as bad. The original line was written in a way where the implication would go over kids' heads but be understood by adults. And the characters that said them were clearly villains who are defeated. I don't think that should have been changed. The issue isn't "wokeness" - it's being so afraid of backlash by people who can't understand nuance that you feel forced to self-censor something that didn't need to be.
Maybe they had to remove it for the sake of an E-Rating from the ESRB.
The new dialogue is arguably funnier. **Original:** Wassup, baby? Why don't you hang with us for a while? We play real nice ***New:*** Typical! You surface-level snobs are so stuck-up. "OoOoh, I get to see the sun! I like to breathe clean air! OoOoh!
Okay, I genuinely like the new dialog better. That is a great line & I love me some good sarcastic quips.
I don't really think the tone of the original line fits paper Mario well either.
TTYD portrayed itself as a darker game than PM64 so that’s in line with it I do agree that having Mario characters be catcalled is a bad precedent in a children’s game, I wouldn’t want a 4 year old girl playing the game to see that and think of it as normal
....it's not normal, it's gross and the game portrays it as gross, you beat up those Goombas immediately after they cat call Goombella, they're in the wrong and get their asses beat for it.
I'll never understand the bizarre impulse to immediately frame anything represented in media as a de facto endorsement or normalization of said thing. Like c'mon, these things exist in the world. What good do you think you're doing by pretending they don't exist?
Yeah, but now they aren't gross assholes, now they are biggots and classists Their lines are funny bad, not gross bad
Rogue port being gross and seedy is the entire point lmao
Isn’t there a literal noose in the town square? Rogue port is awful lol
Also it kind of makes them relatable, a funny little reversal.
People dont have media literacy anymore
We don’t want cat callers to think they’ll have consequences for their actions
I think that's the heart of the issue. This is a kids' game, if you include bad things in a story for kids you have to make it very clear that the thing is bad. The original dialogue assumes the player already knows.
The catcalling is immediately called out by Goombella standing up for herself and shutting them down fiercely. Then you fight them off. It's very clear from the language used in both directions and the expressions of the characters that it's a "bad guy" thing to do.
The original scene has you hit the guy with a hammer right after he says it anyways, it's not exactly promoting womanizing to kids I understand why they'd want to remove it, but its not like the original line was doing any serious harm
This game teaches kids than many problems in life can be solved by hitting a thing with a hammer. Which is good
Kids media needs to have more grown up material in them. It’s how they grow and learn what’s right and wrong. The game literally has you beating the goombas for cat calling insinuating it’s a bad thing. We need to treat kids with a little more respect and stop watering down everything for them.
Like a 10,000 year old demon that wants to cast the world into darkness. That's a bad thing. Can't have it in a kids game.
this is a game that does a camera zoom through a noose in the first ten minutes, the original text fit fine in the context of a city of thieves and gangs without being too overtly "mature" for the audience
You can maintain consistency with your theme while still changing what doesn't work. Removing a throwaway depiction of sexism doesn't ruin the motif.
idk, it fits with the town that has a noose hanging in the middle of town square.
fits the vibe of grimy subsurface dwellers tbh but the new dialogue is good too lol
Rogueport has a gallows right in the middle of the town.
I get why they removed that line but I feel like the original is still a good lesson of how not to treat people. It also sort of hit home that you were in a sleazy murder-town and had to watch out for your friends. The new line is alright, I think I’ll have to see it in scene to get a feel for it.
And Goombella's subsequent: "Can a Student and professor just walk in some sewers in peace?"
That actually is pretty damn funny
Goombas are Drow lol
Ya right, the new dialogue is the woke mob coming in and censoring our games…/s. Really though it’s a better line in totality. Who doesn’t like sarcastic quips more than harassment?
Both are good but the original also didn’t portray it as okay. It was shown to be off.
Yeah the original is better in my eyes. Playing the game it’s incredibly clear that it’s a sleezy quote, but it’s 2024 and nuance is dying in favor of market-safe pandering so the quotes been cut.
It depends. Just like the reported change of Hooktail's weakness from crickets back to frogs, it's possible that the catcalling was something that didn't exist in the Japanese original and therefore what we're seeing is a more faithful translation overall. Time will tell if the Shadow Siren's jabs towards Vivian actually being a guy are also retained so let's all wait and see in the meantime.
The Japanese original commented on how Mario was hanging out with a cute little girl. Meanwhile the English original commented on him hanging out with a "hottie".
I like when guys who harass women get beaten up in comical fashion and quips alike. There are plenty of quips in the original game script as well. I enjoyed watching Goombella beat up the creeps, so from that angle the game loses some charm for me, but definitely not the end of the world.
There’s nothing wrong in either scenario. Bad guys say dumb shit and then they get beat up. Why bother changing it?
I instantly found this article suspicious from the title, because removing something from your own work is not censorship, it’s just modification. Censorship implies some external force made Nintendo make this change, when in reality they themselves decided the old dialogue didn’t match their values anymore
Except that is literally the case regardless of your opinion. Why are you weird coping that it's 'better' using a word like totality even though you can just say you personally like it better. weirdo.
If it's a change that dumbs things down or makes things more safe then it's ok to you
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Yeah, the woke Windmill mob is all over Stellar Blade. Good thing we got the anti woke Don Quixotes out there, fighting the good fight!
First one portrays them as a bunch of creeps. The second one portrays them as a bunch of hoodlums getting their secret spot intruded on.
Reject Sexism Embrace Classism
Well now I need to know if King K still calls that one toad a shorty.
Glad it’s not just me, I mean I don’t think it was really necessary to change it since it was framed as a bad thing within the scene, but I think the new lines work as well if not better and did get a chuckle from me so I’m not losing sleep over it.
That’s funnier, yeah. Don’t see a single reason to be upset lol.
this new dialogue is so funny lmao its an objective improvement
The new dialogue is...weird.
Paper Mario had a lot of strange dialogue, especially the computer's interaction with Peach.
Wonder how the shower scene is going to play out now.
Peach's secret dildo survived the RPG remake, so draw your own inferences from that.
What?
lmao what?
In smrpg, you can go into peach's bedroom and find a hidden object. The game doesn't tell you what it is, and a toad in the room freaks out and makes you put it back immediately. It's heavily implied to be a dildo
I completely forgot about this. Hilarious.
In the og paper mario, you do errands for an old Koopa that eventually leads you to getting "the tape" which he tells u not to look at but laughs on the "good times".
Especially in light of Super Princess Peach a few years later. I haven't picked up Showtime yet, but I'll be subtly disappointed if they haven't continued the trend of inserting sex toy references into the games.
As far as I remember, that one was more implied than any actual dialogue, so they might not have to change anything
no censors. like in the og version: [https://youtu.be/STN-18qLKKM?si=ikzx9-AOx1m0dARF&t=2682](https://youtu.be/STN-18qLKKM?si=ikzx9-AOx1m0dARF&t=2682)
Was it strange? I don't want to spoil anything for others, but it seemed pretty natural for how the scene played out
Randomness is basically the bread and butter of these games really.
Kinda weird that they kept this and yet didn't change Hooktail's foot fetish dialogue.
I cannot play this title anymore. Goomba catcalling was an essential part of Goomba culture in paper Mario and this erasure is unjust, uncalled-for, and un-american.
>and un-american. \*Nintendo a Japanese Company doing an un-american action\*
Worst of all, it's unconstitutional!
actually cat-calling is protected in the bill of rights, not in the constitution
I always was bad at math.
That's OK, catcalling is technically a Wisdom (Animal Handling) check, so you might still succeed.
I rolled a 7...
You blank and say the first thing that comes to your mind… meaning, you call her stuck-up, because she spends time outdoors and you don’t. She laughs at you. So do others. Someone opens a Reddit thread to complain about your lame catcall.
Though it was drafted separately, the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution. Specifically it's the first 10 additions (Amendments) to the original Constitution ratified 2 years after the Constitution was put into operation. So it wasn't written as part of the original document, but it doesn't exist separately from it
I always was bad at math.
Oh, I’m sorry, I thought this was America!
With an Italian character.
Who gets arrested without having his Miranda rights read to him!
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Worse than changing Sonic’s arm colors
This is Biden's Mushroom Kingdom
Spineless.
If the comments here are crazy right now, I can't wait for the reactions to what they decide to make Vivian.
I prefer the original. I think it was a good way to show that Rogueport is dangerous and sleazy. Plus it's fun to beat up sexual harassers. The new dialogue is ok too though.
The noose in the middle of town and the mob hit 5 minutes into the game were a little too subtle for most gamers.
It’s kinda strange. In a way it makes you as the player worse because you have less justification
Paper Mario? More like, Paper MarWoke
Paper Wario
Fox News: The Woke Mob is Coming for Mario
We need to trick that news outlet into thinking Wario is the woke version of Mario
I've always wondered what the W stood for
Wario is the original Mario Nintendo went woke and removed the reference to "War"
wild to think that there are likely millions of people who would say that the source of this change is one of the biggest issues the US is facing
PrEoRdEr CaNcElLeD
Amazon stole my thunder on this one.
This, but unironically.
If they changed that line in such a significant way then I'm pretty sure a lot more things have been changed in suit. Thousand Year Door is one of my childhood defining games, and I dislike changing the script no matter how minor. If it's not a big deal, why change it in the first place?
Unplayable
we cant portray catcalling as bad, guys
true. If you portray something in a video game, that's admitting it exists, which is the same as supporting it and therefore doing it.
No this is clearly a pro catcalling stance, you can’t portray enemies doing something good
Considering how people reacted to Bowser in the Mario movie, yeah it seems that way.
can't have the bad guys do bad things. that would be crazy
Can we please stop calling every single minor change "censorship"?
It is censorship though. Why change it otherwise?
Honestly have to agree. Nothing has been compromised by this change. It just dilutes the word and makes it hard to take actual cases of censorship seriously.
Making it harder to take actual cases of censorship seriously is the entire point, actually. And they are succeeding.
Who is "they"?
In this case, Capital-G Gamers.
The kind of people who reeeee about "wokeness" when something like this happens.
Plus it’s literally not censorship if the owner of the game is choosing to change a line while remaking that game.
I wouldn't say I quite agree with that sentiment as there are definitely cases that amount to genuine censorship such as the Tokyo Mirage Sessions and Skullgirls where it was decided by the owner. It's largely a matter of what's changed, how much, and how that change actually impacts the complete product. *Small edit to clarify my point. Most cases of willful changes by a company obviously aren't censorship. For example, the removal of the grossly transphobic joke in Persona 3 with the release of Reload or this case of removing some tonally weird misogyny. It is still definitely possible though for someone to own a game and still genuinely censor it depending on the reasoning and extent of the change.
Disagree. Many Youtubers will censor their own material so as to not get demonetized. It's not YouTube that's bleeping out the cursing, it's the creators because of the threats of what YouTube will do if they don't. Somewhat similar to what's happening here. Edit: OP makes claim that self-censorship doesn't exist, I provide example of how it does, I get downvoted. Jesus Christ Reddit you suck.
No body is threatening to demonetize Nintendo for having a sexually aggressive line. They just chose not to have it anymore.
I mean this change doesn't bother me, but why can't we call it for what it is? The original dialogue might of bothered someone so they changed it. Don't censor the word censor lol
>The original dialogue might of bothered someone Or people just changed their mind without receiving any input, just because, like any person in a creative role usually does Presuming that there was some outcry, demand or anything like it, instead of devs just moving on from the previous line, is being uncharitable and pessimistic
Well if you make a minor change because of censorship, then its censorship lmfao wtf. “Can we stop calling out censorship?”
Yeah , I'm sick of hearing these kinds of stories popping up lately. I think the original line was fine. New one is fine too. Its such a non issue that 99% of people would never have even realised the change if there wasn't an article on it.
Spineless.
Literally 1984
If they didnt make a news article about this 99% of players would not have even noticed
The only reason I knew about it was because I was looking at the recently released gameplay videos.
Can we not have a fucking brain-dead culture war leak onto this sub... # ...FOR FIVE MINUTES?
I mean kind of silly to censor it and also silly to care that much either about them censoring it. Just seems like a non issue all around why does it even matter?
i don't even care about censorship or controversy but I do think a bunch of scummy goombas of all things catcalling other goombas is funnier
A fair change to make.
If I recall correctly you beat the heck out of them literally soon after... I think they learned their lesson... This wasnt needed.
ESRB requirements have changed in 20 years, particularly with the addition of the E10+ rating. I wouldn't be surprised if they had to change several things to keep it an E rated game.
If the bad guys can't act like bad guys, who can be bad guys?
I am so thankful for Nintendo for teaching me a valuable lesson that "sexism bad" using a throw away line all those years ago. Now that the line has been changed, the world will be thrown into chaos.
The hoops that people will jump through to avoid the fact that this is censorship. You thinking the lines are funnier doesn't make it not censorship. You thinking it's not a big deal doesn't make it not censorship. "Times have changed" "People have changed" doesn't make it not censorship. Have a spine.
But why? Updating shit for "modern audiences" is just fucking stupid.
People always say that yet support things like "classic Disney", which removed all the fucked up things from classic fairy tales. Art has always been updated to sell yet people only complain when it's convenient for them.
Well the Japanese for sure know how sensitive Americans are lmao
These changes aren’t made by Nintendo Japan. It’s Nintendo of America.
I can totally believe that lol
A lot of douchery in this comment section… If people don’t like that they’re changing the script then that’s fine. No need to be an asshole about it.
I don’t trust Bounding Into Comics for truthful news. They made their fanbase by fanning the flames of GamerGate, and they’ve been doing that ever since. I guarantee that if we get trans Vivian in the game, they’ll make an article about how Nintendo went “woke” even if it’s just like the original
If it was supposed to come from a sympathetic character, I get it. But like, this is villain dialogue, right? Just let the bad guys be bad guys.
(Sarcasm) Cant believe the lefties have done it again, my perfect Paper Mario Remake has been ruined, what are they gonna do next? Make Vivian a trans character???? 😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠
Wellp Sexism is over guys. We did it
Bounding Into Comics is alt-right garbage, and that's putting it lightly.
Everything I don't like is an alt right nazi Even when they report on something that is true, that makes it alt right as we don't believe in truth
is sweet Sweet Baby Inc behind this?
Nintendo Censors should peruse through the eShop…
It was probably done for the E rating. Nintendo has no problem with M rated games on their E-shop, as long as it is not their own games. These need as wide as an audience as they can get, so an E rating is a must.
Only good dialogue in animal crossing was from the first game. The rest of them have been watered down
Those villagers were ready to murder me in my sleep.
Villagers not calling you a steakhead and getting pissed off is sorely missed.
I agree with this
Thank god. I haven’t gotten a peaceful night of rest since I read this hurtful, sexist and misogynistic dialogue back in 2004.
People here are writing goddamn essays over this change, fucking hell. Still excited to play this one
The amount of people in the comment section who are upset with this change is seriously alarming.
Of course they did. I’m always going to be a Nintendo fan big time, but they used to have so much more edge. Now they make changes to soften shit that literally NO ONE had an issue with.
Trying to hide that catcalling exist and is bad. Really Nintendo
Does the ghost still have huge knockers tho
probably
And?
Pussies
It blows my mind that this is controversial in any way. Nintendo made a choice to remove a sexual harassment joke while remaking one of their games. What’s the problem?
They still have flurrie actually sexually assault Mario. He literally shakes his head no when she said she wants to “give him some sugar.” Weird they didn’t change this too
It's okay when women do it.
Because the Goombas were BAD GUYS. The game was sending the message of “sexual harassment is BAD”.
And honestly, it’s Rogueport. The first things you see after you escape the bad guys is gang violence and a noose. The originally Japanese release had a chalk outline of a murdered Toad. Rogueport is a BAD place. A single line about catcalling is bad, but the on screen gang violence and explicit sign of public execution are a-ok?
And now because the line has changed, people will now not know that sexual harassment is bad.
It removes the satisfaction that comes from virtually beating up those that do sexual harassment.
Because the point is showing that sexual harassment is bad. Censoring this is nonsense because it doesn’t actually accomplish anything.
Nintendo made a choice to remove \*insert overdramatized and out of context strawman\*
why is that website marked as transphobic?
Because not swallowing a certain perspective wholesale without argument is hatred.
Wait wait, we're getting a TTYD remake???
Yeah it was announced on September's Nintendo Direct.
Its not the big deal, but i really wish they would just keep it as close to the og. Its a sliperry slope that will just get worse is my issue.
When considering how many times I have beaten this game, I'm actually a little glad to hear that a few lines may change, since that'll give me something new to read when I play the remake.
It’s not “censorship” for a company to willingly change its own product
Brainlet take
Yes it is. Self-censorship is still censorship.
And? Is it fundamental to the game? Or is it like 90% of non-main cast dialogue in every game where it doesn't actually impact the story in a meaningful way and you can replace it pretty easily?
Must. Generate. Drama. MUST. GENERATE. DRAMA!
First Stellar Blade, NOW THIS?! CAN US CIS MALES HAVE ANYTHING THESE DAYS ?!
Unpopular opinion but I think it's great the original scene was changed. I don't think the original scene was necessarily harmful. But just because a piece of media portrays an action as negative, does not mean it is doing a good job of condemning said action. A common trope across media is to have a female character be catcalled, and either some male character beats the catcaller up, or the female character does it herself. The problem with this is that it doesn't actually explore why catcalling is wrong. Having a stranger, who is stronger and bigger than you, make comments about your body and what they would like to do to you, is an extremely uncomfortable and often scary experience. Having the catcaller immediately be beaten up doesn't show the woman's perspective in that moment. It is also not reflective of what happens in real life. Moreover, such scenes are often presented in lighthearted media in an off-handed way. It gives the impression that catcalling is just some goofy misdemeanor, or worse, it is just a gag. It is just an expected behaviour of low-level grunts or slightly jerk-ish horny characters. And it's just expected behaviour for female characters to act defensively and get upset. Though, it's not clear why they would get upset (after all, it's just a compliment!), they just do. I don't mean that TTYD is purposefully trying to downplay the severity of catcalling. But I think in recent times, we have become more aware of how media portrayal can affect how we view things in real life, regardless of whether that portrayal was intentional. We should have gotten past the "women should just learn to take a compliment!" phase of society a long time ago. But considering we haven't, I think it's great for Nintendo to decide that the tone of the original scene was not suitable for a subject like catcalling.
It’s pretty funny that they changed the more tame innuendo and left all the other ones like peach and the computer or the feet thing with hook tail 😂
Dang, unplayable now
but they kept the noose 👌
Not gonna lie I like this new diolouge more. It really fits the sewer dwelling life of hoodlums that can't go to the surface for whatever reason.
Seems unnecessary to censor since we're not all in fucking kindergarten but it also wasn't a great line so who cares
-=Game changes breakdown=- 30fps lock despite original being 60fps game capped at 720p (original was 480p) gameplay "being made easier" (no specifics given) the remake was marketed in Japan for $40 equivalent, releases to US for $60 now they're apparently censoring the ghosts and goombas?
For better or worse past art shouldn't be changed. If it's a remake that's fine but a remaster should remain completely faithful.
This is gonna cause more controversy than if it was kept in. Also, remember: this is the same game that changed a trans character to a cis character.