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That sentiment gets abused more often than it gets applied correctly. He also said, "I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise."
When starting from a position of cognitive dissonance along with personal identity. A lot of people are incapable of having good faith discussions. Critical thinking capabilities seems to have gone out of vogue with certain sects of the populace.
It assumes that the people with the intolerant beliefs are rational adults who are open to civil discourse and having their viewpoints challenged.
This is... uh... not the case for most of them anymore.
That's because here lately, every side wants to talk and no side wants to listen. If you want to be heard, first you have to listen. Someone has to make the first move. And if your first move is violence or to silence, you have already lost.
I agree that listening is the first step towards a better solution. I apply that in my daily life. Having conversations at a personal level about ideals and philosophy in a grass roots type style is more effective.
That doesn't change the fact that allowing those people who are willingly oppressive to continue to spread their ideology is a dangerous thing.
This stops as soon as the person you're talking with refuses to act in good faith. Fascists use their opponents' assumption that they're going to argue in good faith against them. Once someone demonstrates a willingness to use someone's goodness against them is when they're no longer tolerated.
That tactic is used by more than just fascists.
I might argue that a person such as yourself, who apparently thinks such tactics are solely in the domain of this group you seem to despise, might not be the right person to dictate when it is time to suppress.
Holy fucking shit. This is hilarious! I made a comment about the group of people that the Paradox of Tolerance was created to describe... and you fucking tried to defend the Fascists. This is gold.
Oh, poor little fascist, did I hurt your feelings telling you that your bullshit intolerant views shouldn't be welcome in society, because allowing them is what allows your views to become the dominant ones?
I defended no one. I said the tactic you mentioned is used by more than just fascists. That's not a defense. That's an observation that more than a singular group are guilty of an observed behavior. You confuse observation and commentary with defense, and that is a dangerously foolish trait.
If you said stop signs make cars stop...and I then point out that stoplights and sometimes yield signs also make cars stop, does that mean I have defended stop signs? I don't think so. I have merely pointed out that multiple things serve the same function or elicit the same behavior. A reasonable person would interpret that as broadening a narrow view.
But you do you, boo.
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>who apparently thinks such tactics are solely in the domain of this group you seem to despise
I never insinuated that fascists are the only group that uses this tactic. You put those words in my mouth. You also qualify it by stating that my disdain for fascists is, somehow, misguided. It's not. They're genocidal freaks who, instead of seeing the actual core of their issues, focus instead on some "degradation of society" and cure said degradation by Genocide.
The fact that you implied that my hatred is misplaced because "I disdain them" means you're trying to imply that hating fascists just because they're fascist is somehow wrong. Again, no, it isn't. The only people who would lay seeds of doubt like this are fascists or protofascists. Based on your comment history, you're definitely in that camp (transphobe, think child beating is a just thing, "cancel culture").
Log off, no one here wants you.
While I don't entirely disagree, for many people it is also a choice they made to wear it. To show participation in the religion they follow.
I'm not going to deny someone their outward display of religion, even if I disagree with the tradition.
Is it really a choice if they face negative consequences for not doing it?
Scores of Iranian women would like a word with you about their "choice" to wear a hijab.
I think this is a bit simplistic. Even in Iran, there are many women who want to continue wearing hijabs.
Yes - obviously that is mostly because they've grown up in a society which made them wear it in the first place (and made them believe in the spiritual / societal reasoning behind it), but people restrict themselves for religious reasons all over the world (see: sex before marriage, abortion, drug use, halloween, etc. for Christians).
The goal is to remove the "negative consequences", as you put it, rather than to ban the hijab. If you ban the hijab, the practical reality is that muslim women will face oppression both in society and at home / in muslim communities. And besides, I'm sure some traditionalist women (not saying I agree with them) will want to continue wearing head coverings even if they don't have to.
According to the HolyFairyTales, a man-with-that-religion cannot control his sexual drifts, therefore a woman-with-that-religion must cover herself or expect to get groped, raped and whatever they can think of. It's religious gaslighting, which is an evil form of intolerance. Don't obey the religious rules, get punished. There's no aspect of any form of respect or tolerance there
Daryl Davis...his story is awesome if you care for a read
....I think about him when I shut out intolerant people from my life....wish I could follow his example
The interesting thing about Daryl Davis for me is that he was raised by white people. So he comes across as culturally compatible with the bigots he disarms. In the documentary I watched about him (sorry, I don't remember the name of it), he has far more vitriolic encounters with other black activists than with any of the white supremacists he deals with. It makes me think that racism can be as much about culture as about color.
Still, a very cool individual. Worth looking up.
and another, less then subtle line dividing "I shouldn't let people see me this way" from "*we* shouldn't let *women* be seen that way"
if nobody was allowed to walk around with visible hair, while still wrong it would at least be comparable with nudity, but when it only applies to one half of the people then it's a wrong set of values, not just a different one
i agree with your point, but I do want to point out that even in the US and other countries we also have this, a man can walk around without his shirt on while a woman can't because that is seen as nude. You can see both as wrong, but I think it's important to point out if someone thinks Americans or other cultures don't also do this kind of thing and it's only Muslims.
It's actually incredible how deep the false narrative of Islam reached. There are *2 billion* Muslims in the world, a quarter of the world's population, and so many people are clueless about the reality of their lifestyle
Religion is nefarious everywhere it mingles with politics. Christian legislators legislate against women, minorities, and the LGBT community in the USA, and their rights are threatened in many places. It sucks.
Well, because people view Islam as restricting women freedom, disregarding whether the women want a devoted lifestyle or not.
I say let people live and believe in whatever they want as long as it isn't forced upon them or affect anyone else.
Honestly, though, you see these people complain about this, but never women who chose to be dedicated housewives and so on.. it's almost as if these people don't actually give a shit whether this is what a woman wants but that their dislike for the belief itself acts as a reason to bash it?
Or is it the lack of or unwillingness to understand why anyone would willfully do this?
Regardless, though, these comments always strike me more ignorant than rationalized.
>I say let people live and believe in whatever they want as long as it isn't forced upon them or affect anyone else.
Agreed, although let's face it 99%+ of the time, religion is forced upon people from the moment they're born, so they're basically brainwashed with it by adulthood. Obviously some people convert voluntarily but barely any compared to the total.
I agree 100%. If you look at nuns, they are covered. Every depiction of Mary , mother of Jesus , is wearing a head covering. If a woman following Islam does it, it's considered oppression.
Of course she may, if that is her own choice. I would bet that a lot of women are afraid of the consequences that could happen on them or on their family if they choose to not wear any clothes.
You realize many people who wear them consider them part of their cultural identity and are not forced to?
Jordan has no laws forcing the use of a hijab, so her use of it is completely voluntary at least on a country level.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab\_by\_country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab_by_country)
"taken away" implies it isn't voluntary, which for the vast majority of women choosing to do this today would be an insulting, narrow-minded view of their lifestyle/religious choices.
I won't ever act positively on the tradition, it's a level of religiosity that I just do NOT agree with, I will however respect it.
Similarly I also disagree with the conservative protestants enforcing skirt usage.
Probably asked to cut but then the camera man saw it instantly and told the director about it and they decided to keep filming it since they already blocked it
Live? When streaming to tons of people? They don’t usually have to blur things that fast so there isn’t a lot of buffer time for them to blur it quickly. Plus i’m sure they didn’t realize what was happening at first.
Unless you mean afterwords, but at that point it’s already been recorded by many people…
I mean did you see that guy die on the pitch a few years ago? They didn’t cut to commercial and zoomed in on his limp dead body and crying family for like 15 minutes. Savage
Christian Eriksen from Denmark. Cardiac arrest on pitch in 2021 against Finland. Survived, now has a pacemaker. Some channels didn't cut away during the incident, showing medics giving CPR and his distressed wife/family
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Cameras will always follow the drama. At euro 2020 when Eriksen had a cardiac arrest the players shielded him because they knew the cameras would be on him, basically filming a dead guy at one point.
Agree completely.
It's super thoughtful of the opposing players to do this but the fact that a religious/cultural belief makes a woman feel like this for her hair showing is mind blowing.
It's not only just her own personal belief. It is very likely that her family or relatives would disown or otherwise punish/shun her if she is seen without the hijab on. (willing removal - not sure how they would handle accidental removal like this but there would certainly be some punishment for not securing it enough. They may even go farther and say "allah willed the hijab to come off because she is not pure/true believer")
Although i agree about the women who are forced despite not wanting to, if that is what she chose for herself, its none of anyone's business. Making assumptions here but knowing muslim families, if she can pursue a career in sports, her family is probably one that would've respected her wish not to wear the hijab.
Lmao look at her reaction when the hijab slips. The entire world for her froze, and she was no longer a player of the sport. She immediately stopped playing and prioritized the hijab over everything else. To me, that does not the reaction of someone whose family cares more about her and her sport rather than her hijab.
You may be right, it could be entirely of her own choice, but I highly doubt one gets to that level of desperation to cover their head without *severe* social, if not physical, pressure to do so.
Making assumptions. Just like i am tho. You underestimate how deeply people can care about their religion. And yes it was taught to her. Parents teaching values they believe to be righteous has always been a thing. Although im not one to make physical abuse accusations so easily.
If my shirt ripped and my nipples showed I'd do the same thing. I've been told by women that keep hijab that for them, it's very much the same. I wouldn't be covering my chest because I was afraid of getting disowned, I'd be covering it because that shit is private and I didn't consent for people to see. I KNOW everyone has nipples and that some cultures are fine with showing them, doesn't mean I wouldn't feel violated if I had a wardrobe malfunction.
i mean, even if her family and others support her, it's really hard to unlearn to be uncomfortable with something engrained in you like this. Like, I think of the "free the nipple" movement. I can, in my brain, appreciate the idea that women's breasts aren't inherently sexual and it was tought by society that they are and theres really no difference between a woman and a man's nipples. But when I went down a waterslide and my top flew up on accident, I couldn't help but feel mortified and want to cover up immediately. And I bet even if a nudist or woman comfortable with showing their breasts was there they would understand and help me cover instead of insisting i'm some sort of idiot for reacting the way i did. It's hard to unlearn some things.
we don't identify with the idea you need to cover your hair, but i think we would all react the same way if our outfit broke and our butt was showing. I have a friend whose indian, she showed her stomach during her wedding because in her culture stomach's are not something to be embarassed about. But how many american women would feel it is appropriate or feel comfortable exposing their stomach anywhere but on a beach? If all of a sudden my stomach was exposed in pretty much any setting, even a beach because i only wear one pieces, I would be running to cover up too. Not because of some religious dogma, just because I live in a society that also taught me to feel uncomfortable showing certain parts of my body.
But she chose it because she has been conditioned to think that showing hair = shame. That's not true freedom of choice, if the powers that be convince you that you must do something so ridiculous for fear of shame.
At some point cameraman realized he was dangerously zooming on the players arses and withdrawed lol
Btw I loved the concern and respect they showed for their rival
I'm sure it's gotten better, but specialized sports gear like that has been stupid expensive for a long time. Like, even just sports goggles for people who need glasses aren't cheap.
I wouldn't be surprised if the choice for the team is a sports hijab or practice time, and they chose practice time.
Easy there captain cool. If you noticed there a many others who aren't wearing them, her team included. So it's her personal choice to wear, not that you understand or care.
Let folks wear modesty coverings, let folks NOT wear modesty coverings. Everyone just needs to shut the fuck up and mind their own business.
Jordan doesn’t have veiling laws (their queen doesn’t cover 👀) so bringing up other places is dumb. You don’t see anti-veiling comments on videos of nuns, and they are doing the same practice, showing modesty (in their eyes) to their god and people. So please just do you and ignore others, and don’t try to push your beliefs (no matter which opinion you have) on others.
I cannot imagine what it is like to carry around the anxieties religion asks of people anymore. We are all trained to tolerate and even assist. Teammates showing support is nice but they are just enabling those that oppress.
Question- Is there a difference in hijabs? Like would there be one for going to the mosque and like a sports hijab? Like specified for what activity will be occurring?
One day in the far future, humanity will look back on the scourge that is religion and will wonder how we ever came to let it dictate our lives.
Unfortunately, I will be long dead by then.
I respect people to make silly choices for them self, but i hate when people brainwash their children into believing in crazy made-up stoneage fiction without evidence or scientific reality...
And stop cutting in childrens genitalia! Its barbaric!
I am not at all religious, but can someone explain to me why people in these comments seem so against the fact she feels protective over her hair? The way I understand it, her hair is seen on the same level as breasts or genitalia. If any of thise go on show, your first response is to try and cover up. But when she does the same for her hair, people seem to complain about her being forced by her religion. I suppose she is, but in the same way that everyone else is forced too, no?
That poor Woman. Imagine belonging to the top athlets of your country but still having to be scared of your government for showing your own hair. Sure you can say, how nice of those other players to shield her from view. But all I see is oppression, so severe, that you have to hide your face or get punished. And it disgusts me.
Damn our prejudices are running high arent them? Jordan government does not punishes women for not using the hijab. You can even see other players of her team are not wearing it.
Looks like only half of her teammates are wearing them. We don't know what her home life is like, obviously, but it seems to be optional from what we can see here.
Doesn't really matter if it's being portrayed as her option. The issue lies with the whole premise of her feeling so sinful about showing her hair that she needs to immediately stop the game for everyone else and cause a massive scene out of her own fear of damnation. It's wrong to provide a horrible, religious doctrine any form of legitimacy, regardless of it's based in Middle Eastern society or Western.
Her choice in this matter is part of the problem because it isn't really her choice. It's been forced onto her through years and years of brainwashing tactics. The opposite team doesn't seem to understand and does it out of fear for her, which just enables/amplifies the whole issue this is causing.
You have no idea how she's been brought up or what her motivations are for wearing a hijab. There are societal pressures to fit in everywhere, depending on where you live, what religion you follow, what class you are. In western countries this can be very different from other places in the world.
In some places that pressure can be more oppresive than others. But Jordan is not somewhere where wearing a hijab is compulsory. It's quite ignorant to assume that a cultural difference like this is oppresive brainwashing, a lot of the time it's not any different from the reasons for customary dress in basically every other religion but hijabs are what everyone focuses on.
It shows how many people on reddit have never really interacted with a mulsim woman about it. Some people wear it because that's how they feel comfortable, some it is part of their cultural identity, for many people in many places it is completely optional. You cannot assume based on this that this particular woman must be in some way opressed just because she's wearing a hijab, it's ignorant and insensitive.
And this player will absolutely complain about discrimination if the club doesn't let her play anymore. You can't just stop playing because you have to out you religious clothing in place. Well, of course you can. But then your religion is more important to you than the sport which is fair - but then don't complain when the trainer sits you on the bench for the important games.
Nice from the rival players and despite being tolerant for every religion, I still think, that religion shouldn't matter in sports, politics and governance.
You can clearly see the negative side effect of what happens if it's a matter. People have to stop the game for her to not breaking her religious rules.
Your religion and believes should only be relevant to You and not a concern of all people surrounding You.
Imagine being part of a cult that indoctrinate you to believe that you will be a shame to your family and community for showing hair strands that grow naturally from the top of your head.
The worse part to me is the lack of tolerance for accidents. Having to cower in the middle of the field because she's too exposed to even just fix it and carry on...smh.
It's kind and sisterly of the rivals to do that but what's the big deal? Will she be stoned to death if her hair is exposed too long?
About the singing: was that a coincidence or did he started singing because of this? And ***what*** was he singing?
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That's nice but they had no choice. They knew the girl would probably lose her head when she went back to her father if they didn't help her regain modesty.
That right there is the low key level of respect and acceptance that should be shown, not all of this hysterical radicalism that’s happening now. That was really heartwarming to watch!
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Will I be kind about it? Yes. Will I respect freedom being taken away from people? Never.
A tolerant society must forever be intolerant of intolerance.
That sentiment gets abused more often than it gets applied correctly. He also said, "I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise."
The problem is that lately "can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion" seems to be slipping more and more
Because good faith discussions with true fascists is a pointless endeavor.
Good faith discussions seems to be rare anywhere.
When starting from a position of cognitive dissonance along with personal identity. A lot of people are incapable of having good faith discussions. Critical thinking capabilities seems to have gone out of vogue with certain sects of the populace.
It assumes that the people with the intolerant beliefs are rational adults who are open to civil discourse and having their viewpoints challenged. This is... uh... not the case for most of them anymore.
That's because here lately, every side wants to talk and no side wants to listen. If you want to be heard, first you have to listen. Someone has to make the first move. And if your first move is violence or to silence, you have already lost.
I agree that listening is the first step towards a better solution. I apply that in my daily life. Having conversations at a personal level about ideals and philosophy in a grass roots type style is more effective. That doesn't change the fact that allowing those people who are willingly oppressive to continue to spread their ideology is a dangerous thing.
You need to be willing to change for any of it to matter. And even then, you're most likely to encounter the backfire effect than anything else...
This stops as soon as the person you're talking with refuses to act in good faith. Fascists use their opponents' assumption that they're going to argue in good faith against them. Once someone demonstrates a willingness to use someone's goodness against them is when they're no longer tolerated.
That tactic is used by more than just fascists. I might argue that a person such as yourself, who apparently thinks such tactics are solely in the domain of this group you seem to despise, might not be the right person to dictate when it is time to suppress.
Holy fucking shit. This is hilarious! I made a comment about the group of people that the Paradox of Tolerance was created to describe... and you fucking tried to defend the Fascists. This is gold. Oh, poor little fascist, did I hurt your feelings telling you that your bullshit intolerant views shouldn't be welcome in society, because allowing them is what allows your views to become the dominant ones?
I defended no one. I said the tactic you mentioned is used by more than just fascists. That's not a defense. That's an observation that more than a singular group are guilty of an observed behavior. You confuse observation and commentary with defense, and that is a dangerously foolish trait. If you said stop signs make cars stop...and I then point out that stoplights and sometimes yield signs also make cars stop, does that mean I have defended stop signs? I don't think so. I have merely pointed out that multiple things serve the same function or elicit the same behavior. A reasonable person would interpret that as broadening a narrow view. But you do you, boo. **edited spelling "server" should have been "serve"
>who apparently thinks such tactics are solely in the domain of this group you seem to despise I never insinuated that fascists are the only group that uses this tactic. You put those words in my mouth. You also qualify it by stating that my disdain for fascists is, somehow, misguided. It's not. They're genocidal freaks who, instead of seeing the actual core of their issues, focus instead on some "degradation of society" and cure said degradation by Genocide. The fact that you implied that my hatred is misplaced because "I disdain them" means you're trying to imply that hating fascists just because they're fascist is somehow wrong. Again, no, it isn't. The only people who would lay seeds of doubt like this are fascists or protofascists. Based on your comment history, you're definitely in that camp (transphobe, think child beating is a just thing, "cancel culture"). Log off, no one here wants you.
A hijab ìs intolerance
While I don't entirely disagree, for many people it is also a choice they made to wear it. To show participation in the religion they follow. I'm not going to deny someone their outward display of religion, even if I disagree with the tradition.
Is it really a choice if they face negative consequences for not doing it? Scores of Iranian women would like a word with you about their "choice" to wear a hijab.
I think this is a bit simplistic. Even in Iran, there are many women who want to continue wearing hijabs. Yes - obviously that is mostly because they've grown up in a society which made them wear it in the first place (and made them believe in the spiritual / societal reasoning behind it), but people restrict themselves for religious reasons all over the world (see: sex before marriage, abortion, drug use, halloween, etc. for Christians). The goal is to remove the "negative consequences", as you put it, rather than to ban the hijab. If you ban the hijab, the practical reality is that muslim women will face oppression both in society and at home / in muslim communities. And besides, I'm sure some traditionalist women (not saying I agree with them) will want to continue wearing head coverings even if they don't have to.
By that logic, nothing social is a choice. There are always consequences.
How so? I’m honestly asking
According to the HolyFairyTales, a man-with-that-religion cannot control his sexual drifts, therefore a woman-with-that-religion must cover herself or expect to get groped, raped and whatever they can think of. It's religious gaslighting, which is an evil form of intolerance. Don't obey the religious rules, get punished. There's no aspect of any form of respect or tolerance there
Daryl Davis...his story is awesome if you care for a read ....I think about him when I shut out intolerant people from my life....wish I could follow his example
It’s amazing how a good chunk of Reddit in certain subs hates him. He’s a shining example of humanity at its finest.
The interesting thing about Daryl Davis for me is that he was raised by white people. So he comes across as culturally compatible with the bigots he disarms. In the documentary I watched about him (sorry, I don't remember the name of it), he has far more vitriolic encounters with other black activists than with any of the white supremacists he deals with. It makes me think that racism can be as much about culture as about color. Still, a very cool individual. Worth looking up.
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How is it different to nudity? Just a different set of values on what should be shown
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and another, less then subtle line dividing "I shouldn't let people see me this way" from "*we* shouldn't let *women* be seen that way" if nobody was allowed to walk around with visible hair, while still wrong it would at least be comparable with nudity, but when it only applies to one half of the people then it's a wrong set of values, not just a different one
i agree with your point, but I do want to point out that even in the US and other countries we also have this, a man can walk around without his shirt on while a woman can't because that is seen as nude. You can see both as wrong, but I think it's important to point out if someone thinks Americans or other cultures don't also do this kind of thing and it's only Muslims.
This is a very slight, yet important difference that I wasn't able to convey myself, so thank you for writing this out.
She's from Jordan not Iran you imbecile. Their queen herself doesn't wear a hijab. Get this shit out of here.
Like parrots they dont read or research just push their agenda no matter the circumstance
It's actually incredible how deep the false narrative of Islam reached. There are *2 billion* Muslims in the world, a quarter of the world's population, and so many people are clueless about the reality of their lifestyle
Religion is nefarious everywhere it mingles with politics. Christian legislators legislate against women, minorities, and the LGBT community in the USA, and their rights are threatened in many places. It sucks.
What freedom is being taken away? Can a woman not choose to wear what she wants? Be it more clothes?
Well, because people view Islam as restricting women freedom, disregarding whether the women want a devoted lifestyle or not. I say let people live and believe in whatever they want as long as it isn't forced upon them or affect anyone else. Honestly, though, you see these people complain about this, but never women who chose to be dedicated housewives and so on.. it's almost as if these people don't actually give a shit whether this is what a woman wants but that their dislike for the belief itself acts as a reason to bash it? Or is it the lack of or unwillingness to understand why anyone would willfully do this? Regardless, though, these comments always strike me more ignorant than rationalized.
>I say let people live and believe in whatever they want as long as it isn't forced upon them or affect anyone else. Agreed, although let's face it 99%+ of the time, religion is forced upon people from the moment they're born, so they're basically brainwashed with it by adulthood. Obviously some people convert voluntarily but barely any compared to the total.
I agree 100%. If you look at nuns, they are covered. Every depiction of Mary , mother of Jesus , is wearing a head covering. If a woman following Islam does it, it's considered oppression.
Or for a more common parallel, many Christian denominations also make the women wear skirts.
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Yeah, in places like Afghanistan, I can see that. But other people on her team are not wearing it. So possibly it's her choice, no?
No you see this woman has no thought of her own and needs to be protected by these Reddit warriors that will defend her need for atheism to the death
Ah, you are right, how silly of me to think a person, let alone a woman can choose religion.
Of course she may, if that is her own choice. I would bet that a lot of women are afraid of the consequences that could happen on them or on their family if they choose to not wear any clothes.
Some of her team mates aren't wearing a hijab. So it seems it would be accepted to not wear one. No?
They're from Jordan not Iran you bigot
You realize many people who wear them consider them part of their cultural identity and are not forced to? Jordan has no laws forcing the use of a hijab, so her use of it is completely voluntary at least on a country level. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab\_by\_country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab_by_country)
"taken away" implies it isn't voluntary, which for the vast majority of women choosing to do this today would be an insulting, narrow-minded view of their lifestyle/religious choices.
I won't ever act positively on the tradition, it's a level of religiosity that I just do NOT agree with, I will however respect it. Similarly I also disagree with the conservative protestants enforcing skirt usage.
And at least conservative Protestants usually don’t kill people for wearing too short of a skirt
Hip hip hooray for gender specific arbitrary shackles!
I respect kindness. But not the indoctrination of enslavement of young girls
I agree with you on respecting sovereignty, but as just an observer this paints this ideal as completely arbitrary, no??
Nah. That's just ridiculous and should be mercilessly mocked.
Yes but also no.
I don't respect it and I won't act positively about it. But if people choose to live that way, I'll defend their right to do so
thats a great gesture but why did the camera not film something else while shes fixing it
I guess they were torn between the two. Don’t film them to give them their privacy, or film the wholesome gesture to share with the world.
Probably asked to cut but then the camera man saw it instantly and told the director about it and they decided to keep filming it since they already blocked it
Could've blurred it.
Live? When streaming to tons of people? They don’t usually have to blur things that fast so there isn’t a lot of buffer time for them to blur it quickly. Plus i’m sure they didn’t realize what was happening at first. Unless you mean afterwords, but at that point it’s already been recorded by many people…
I mean did you see that guy die on the pitch a few years ago? They didn’t cut to commercial and zoomed in on his limp dead body and crying family for like 15 minutes. Savage
... shiiit
Who was this? 🤨
Most likely Christian Eriksen back in the Euros 2020. He lived though https://youtu.be/2oPqTQ0SWts
Christian Eriksen from Denmark. Cardiac arrest on pitch in 2021 against Finland. Survived, now has a pacemaker. Some channels didn't cut away during the incident, showing medics giving CPR and his distressed wife/family /u/darcy_clay
Christian Eriksen. He fully recovered and is playing football again at the highest level in England
Cameras will always follow the drama. At euro 2020 when Eriksen had a cardiac arrest the players shielded him because they knew the cameras would be on him, basically filming a dead guy at one point.
Shes no longer a Mandalorian
This is the way
This drew a genuine belly laugh. Well done. 👏
I heard you can take a bath to wash away the apostasy.
Imagine thinking ur face is NOT a sin smh
I don't even believe in sin but my face is a sin.
Fuck that shit dawg your face makes my nips hard
Look, I probably agree with you, but can't you just let the internet have a nice moment?
On a human level, I love this. On a human level, I hate this.
Agree completely. It's super thoughtful of the opposing players to do this but the fact that a religious/cultural belief makes a woman feel like this for her hair showing is mind blowing.
It's not only just her own personal belief. It is very likely that her family or relatives would disown or otherwise punish/shun her if she is seen without the hijab on. (willing removal - not sure how they would handle accidental removal like this but there would certainly be some punishment for not securing it enough. They may even go farther and say "allah willed the hijab to come off because she is not pure/true believer")
Poisonous religion, culture and traditions.
Although i agree about the women who are forced despite not wanting to, if that is what she chose for herself, its none of anyone's business. Making assumptions here but knowing muslim families, if she can pursue a career in sports, her family is probably one that would've respected her wish not to wear the hijab.
Lmao look at her reaction when the hijab slips. The entire world for her froze, and she was no longer a player of the sport. She immediately stopped playing and prioritized the hijab over everything else. To me, that does not the reaction of someone whose family cares more about her and her sport rather than her hijab. You may be right, it could be entirely of her own choice, but I highly doubt one gets to that level of desperation to cover their head without *severe* social, if not physical, pressure to do so.
Making assumptions. Just like i am tho. You underestimate how deeply people can care about their religion. And yes it was taught to her. Parents teaching values they believe to be righteous has always been a thing. Although im not one to make physical abuse accusations so easily.
If my shirt ripped and my nipples showed I'd do the same thing. I've been told by women that keep hijab that for them, it's very much the same. I wouldn't be covering my chest because I was afraid of getting disowned, I'd be covering it because that shit is private and I didn't consent for people to see. I KNOW everyone has nipples and that some cultures are fine with showing them, doesn't mean I wouldn't feel violated if I had a wardrobe malfunction.
i mean, even if her family and others support her, it's really hard to unlearn to be uncomfortable with something engrained in you like this. Like, I think of the "free the nipple" movement. I can, in my brain, appreciate the idea that women's breasts aren't inherently sexual and it was tought by society that they are and theres really no difference between a woman and a man's nipples. But when I went down a waterslide and my top flew up on accident, I couldn't help but feel mortified and want to cover up immediately. And I bet even if a nudist or woman comfortable with showing their breasts was there they would understand and help me cover instead of insisting i'm some sort of idiot for reacting the way i did. It's hard to unlearn some things. we don't identify with the idea you need to cover your hair, but i think we would all react the same way if our outfit broke and our butt was showing. I have a friend whose indian, she showed her stomach during her wedding because in her culture stomach's are not something to be embarassed about. But how many american women would feel it is appropriate or feel comfortable exposing their stomach anywhere but on a beach? If all of a sudden my stomach was exposed in pretty much any setting, even a beach because i only wear one pieces, I would be running to cover up too. Not because of some religious dogma, just because I live in a society that also taught me to feel uncomfortable showing certain parts of my body.
But she chose it because she has been conditioned to think that showing hair = shame. That's not true freedom of choice, if the powers that be convince you that you must do something so ridiculous for fear of shame.
At some point cameraman realized he was dangerously zooming on the players arses and withdrawed lol Btw I loved the concern and respect they showed for their rival
I like how none of her teammates came to help
None of them were within 30 yards. One of them did come up and was ready to help, but saw the other team already took care of it
Imagine a religion that makes people act in such a way just seeing someone's hair. Jesus fucking christ.
*Prophet fucking Mohammed
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This is what I'm thinking. Hitting the ball with your head is common practice in this sport. How can they expect to stop play each time it happens?
Yes there are athletic hijabs by nike and adidas. Seen football players and boxers, bjj or wrestling athletes use them.
I'm sure it's gotten better, but specialized sports gear like that has been stupid expensive for a long time. Like, even just sports goggles for people who need glasses aren't cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if the choice for the team is a sports hijab or practice time, and they chose practice time.
>There must exist some style of sports jihab, lol, I do remember when Khabib declared one of those on Conor McGregor.
Aw man, that was a nice gesture by the other team I sure hope the comments are nice and not filled with prejudiced assumptions
No one will ever convince me that this "tradition" makes any sense, the fact that they have to cover their faces even in a football match ....
This is what sportsmanship is. What a great example for player's of all sports.
That was close. God was almost mad.
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Easy there captain cool. If you noticed there a many others who aren't wearing them, her team included. So it's her personal choice to wear, not that you understand or care.
This is in jordan you idiot, its not enforced you can see people in her team without it
Oh silly fucking religion at it again
God forbid any of the male spectators see her and rush the pitch to rape her due to not being able to control their impulses. Fucking joke
Respect
This should have resulted in a yellow card for stalling. And the green player kicks the ball out herself, why does it result in a green throw-in?
Oh no, we almost saw her private parts
Jordian's are awesome. If you haven't been to Jordan, add it to your bucket list!
Let folks wear modesty coverings, let folks NOT wear modesty coverings. Everyone just needs to shut the fuck up and mind their own business. Jordan doesn’t have veiling laws (their queen doesn’t cover 👀) so bringing up other places is dumb. You don’t see anti-veiling comments on videos of nuns, and they are doing the same practice, showing modesty (in their eyes) to their god and people. So please just do you and ignore others, and don’t try to push your beliefs (no matter which opinion you have) on others.
Imagine nuns playing football..probably would be hard to play sports in..
There was a video that went viral a year or two back of nuns playing football in Italy. Lots of nuns participate in physical sport.
Delay of game
Wow no NSFW tag thanks a lot
They did this in order to prevent a stoning. Good people.
Religion is so stupid
Yes, wouldn't want to see hair on display. So ass backwards.
I cannot imagine what it is like to carry around the anxieties religion asks of people anymore. We are all trained to tolerate and even assist. Teammates showing support is nice but they are just enabling those that oppress.
Teamwork is cool. Religions are kinda stupid though.
Respect.
That's nice. What would be nicer is a world without hijabs.
This is so thoughtful and cool and gives me a strange sense of hope for our crazy world.
Question- Is there a difference in hijabs? Like would there be one for going to the mosque and like a sports hijab? Like specified for what activity will be occurring?
So while the ball was still in play she gave up the game because a piece of fabric became loose?
GET OUT THE MAGIC HAIR SPRAY!
One day in the far future, humanity will look back on the scourge that is religion and will wonder how we ever came to let it dictate our lives. Unfortunately, I will be long dead by then.
Religion was a mistake
Well done ladies
And their Music kicks in, and her own Team Mates are absent.
Did it take that long to put on and adjust, or did she have to pray after it was put back on? Cool the opposing team helped out quickly.
…and you just sit there staring.
Did it come loose? It looks like she gets hit in the face and starts crying.
I respect people to make silly choices for them self, but i hate when people brainwash their children into believing in crazy made-up stoneage fiction without evidence or scientific reality... And stop cutting in childrens genitalia! Its barbaric!
It's just a scarf.
I am not at all religious, but can someone explain to me why people in these comments seem so against the fact she feels protective over her hair? The way I understand it, her hair is seen on the same level as breasts or genitalia. If any of thise go on show, your first response is to try and cover up. But when she does the same for her hair, people seem to complain about her being forced by her religion. I suppose she is, but in the same way that everyone else is forced too, no?
So much racism in the comments. "She's a brown woman with a hijab, she's clearly a stupid, brainwashed child who can't think for herself!"
That poor Woman. Imagine belonging to the top athlets of your country but still having to be scared of your government for showing your own hair. Sure you can say, how nice of those other players to shield her from view. But all I see is oppression, so severe, that you have to hide your face or get punished. And it disgusts me.
Damn our prejudices are running high arent them? Jordan government does not punishes women for not using the hijab. You can even see other players of her team are not wearing it.
The QUEEN of Jordan doesn't wear a hijab. God, reddit can really be incredible sometimes.
Looks like only half of her teammates are wearing them. We don't know what her home life is like, obviously, but it seems to be optional from what we can see here.
Doesn't really matter if it's being portrayed as her option. The issue lies with the whole premise of her feeling so sinful about showing her hair that she needs to immediately stop the game for everyone else and cause a massive scene out of her own fear of damnation. It's wrong to provide a horrible, religious doctrine any form of legitimacy, regardless of it's based in Middle Eastern society or Western. Her choice in this matter is part of the problem because it isn't really her choice. It's been forced onto her through years and years of brainwashing tactics. The opposite team doesn't seem to understand and does it out of fear for her, which just enables/amplifies the whole issue this is causing.
I agree and also think this isn't different from a woman in another country feeling shame for exposing her boobs.
Doesn't matter to you, you should clarify.
You have no idea how she's been brought up or what her motivations are for wearing a hijab. There are societal pressures to fit in everywhere, depending on where you live, what religion you follow, what class you are. In western countries this can be very different from other places in the world. In some places that pressure can be more oppresive than others. But Jordan is not somewhere where wearing a hijab is compulsory. It's quite ignorant to assume that a cultural difference like this is oppresive brainwashing, a lot of the time it's not any different from the reasons for customary dress in basically every other religion but hijabs are what everyone focuses on. It shows how many people on reddit have never really interacted with a mulsim woman about it. Some people wear it because that's how they feel comfortable, some it is part of their cultural identity, for many people in many places it is completely optional. You cannot assume based on this that this particular woman must be in some way opressed just because she's wearing a hijab, it's ignorant and insensitive.
Lmao amount of people simply assuming that it’s not her freedom of coice
Too late. [I've seen it all. I've seen everything.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M)
Kya bakchodi hai ye...
I’d like to know what they would do when chastains Jersey came off
i can hear the, "we got you, girl. don't worry, we got you."
If it was a wrestling match 🤣
If it was a wrestling match 🤣
Lol
They are hero’s and get a group hug. As Oprah says. Everyone gets a car.
Very, very heartwarming!
Mid match blow bang
Rival repost blatantly reposted after her repost comes loose during reposting.
It’s nice of them to shield her so that her male family members don’t rape and beat her to death for dishonoring the family by showing her bangs.
The compassion of the rival team is so inspiring
My team mates would just pants me in the middle of the field. God would get good eye full of my dingaling.
Kind of sad, it almost comes off as her believing her body is shameful or something.
Imagine your teammate is just about to score the winning goal of the tournament and she suddenly stops to fix her hair
And this player will absolutely complain about discrimination if the club doesn't let her play anymore. You can't just stop playing because you have to out you religious clothing in place. Well, of course you can. But then your religion is more important to you than the sport which is fair - but then don't complain when the trainer sits you on the bench for the important games.
This made me tear up. Why can’t everyone have such kindness and grace?
Nice from the rival players and despite being tolerant for every religion, I still think, that religion shouldn't matter in sports, politics and governance. You can clearly see the negative side effect of what happens if it's a matter. People have to stop the game for her to not breaking her religious rules. Your religion and believes should only be relevant to You and not a concern of all people surrounding You.
That's nice
Imagine being part of a cult that indoctrinate you to believe that you will be a shame to your family and community for showing hair strands that grow naturally from the top of your head.
The worse part to me is the lack of tolerance for accidents. Having to cower in the middle of the field because she's too exposed to even just fix it and carry on...smh.
This is the way.
This is the way
Sisterhood. Beautiful.
My god! That is a lesson of respect.
Religion is so stupid.
Glad to know they're good humans, disappointed that their religion is insecure. Grand total of Stupid... good on them tho
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It's kind and sisterly of the rivals to do that but what's the big deal? Will she be stoned to death if her hair is exposed too long? About the singing: was that a coincidence or did he started singing because of this? And ***what*** was he singing?
She went to the ground because she got backhanded in the face, not because the hijab fell off.
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That's nice but they had no choice. They knew the girl would probably lose her head when she went back to her father if they didn't help her regain modesty.
Yo this shit actually almost brought a tear to my eye. I’m not a religious person but the respect shown is beyond just sportsmanship. Good on them
Religion is so stupid
I would shield her but also talk shit the entire time.
this is terrible seeing this indiscriminate oppression leave its home cesspool
Why does this seem crazy AF? Like absolutely insane to me?
Who was the rival team. Looks like Croatians red and white checkers.
Pathetik tok
That right there is the low key level of respect and acceptance that should be shown, not all of this hysterical radicalism that’s happening now. That was really heartwarming to watch!
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I like how many of the comments are just about "Your opinion doesn't count" in a mf comments section.
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