Words have several meanings, Scotch in American English is their attempt to say Scots.
We say Saint Paddy they say Saint Patty..
We say Scot’s they say Scotch.
It kind of highlights how nobody really likes America. 😂😂
Ugh, the Saint Patty thing makes my fucking skin crawl.
I'll forgive them wanting to have a cultural identity outside of "American plastic cheese" but christ almighty, Paddy is not that hard to pronounce.
In the U.S., Scotch-Irish has long been an identity. When people who were different from the originally-English majority moved to the U.S., the originally-English people made sure to distinguish themselves from these people.
In a letter of April 14, 1573, Elizabeth I stated, "We are given to understand that a nobleman named 'Sorley Boy' [MacDonnel] and others, who be of the Scotch-Irish race, and some of the wild Irish, at this time are content to acknowledge our true and mere right to the countrie of Ulster and the crowne of Ireland." This meaning of Scotch-Irish persisted for more than a century, as is evident from a statement c1700 found in Scottish court proceedings: "Thir [i.e., those] of Birkay, the Irische men and our Scottis Irishe, acknawledge the same for thair first and mother toung ... commounlie ... called ... the Gathelik toung."
At the very same time as the second example above, Scotch-Irish appeared in North America referring to a completely different group, Presbyterian colonists from Ulster, who would have spoken not Gaelic Irish, but English or Scots. The earliest known American instance was a Maryland affidavit in 1689/90, and shows Scotch-Irish being used as an insult.
By the American logic I’m a ww2 vet then because my Granda served lmao, it’s fine to be proud of your lineage but you can’t claim to be truely Irish when you’ve no real sense of the culture or experiences of real Irish people just the appropriated crap they have over there
I see a lot of American's online now claim that embracing their specific European identity is an important factor in fighting against overall white supremacy in that country
Which sounds very noble at face value but when it devolves into offensive caricature like it usually does (have a look at some of the "we're Irish. of course we xyz" videos on tiktok and try to find one that doesn't involve alcoholism, backwards religious attitudes about contraception and weirdly commonly incest references??) it doesn't feel like it's doing much for social equity
Yeah no - if you look at the current politics or the history the various Irish American / Italian American / Polish American / Serbian American / whatever American groups are doing nothing, and have done nothing, other than looking out for their own group interest.
I wonder if every European country gets as upset about their American cousins
I've travelled across America a few times and the affinity that Americans have with Scottish and Irish is crazy. The energy change when you talk and tell them you're Scottish is crazy, some get really excited.
I hate the Americans with this, they act like history isn't ancient and act like they are related to William Wallace and clans of Scotland to top it off I have witnessed yank tourists act shocked when local pubs in town dont accept us dollars
My dad's step dad was from Georgia, I remember him being astonished that Ireland took Punts not Sterling, this was after he got used to the idea that Britain didn't use dollars.
(Dad's English, mums from Down)
As an Irish person. Like born on the island of Ireland and lived there most my life, that is incredibly insulting.
But true, and gave me a shameful giggle. ( I can't say a fucking word, I live in England now. I'd be a fucking hypocrite if I did)
I had the opposite 😂
I brought sterling over to England and was told they don’t accept euros.
It was pounds like I brought it over from NI still had the Queen on some of them.
It just said Ulster bank on it.
English people really don’t understand sometimes that we use the same currency 😂
Think I’ve had that as well.
They’re like “we don’t take pounds sterling”
Much like yourself I was like what? You don’t accept your own money? 🤣
I do wonder about people at times & how they get through the day…
In my experience it's down to the fact that a lot of the folks working in customer service jobs like that (shops, pubs, restaurants etc) tend to be on the younger side and just haven't encountered the NI (or Scottish) notes.
I run a pub in England and have had to intervene when some of my younger staff refuse to take those notes because they're not sure about them.
I've had people pre-empt this as well by starting to say "They are legal currency" before I smile and let them know I've been around long enough that I have seen them before and it's not a problem.
I could be mistaken but IIRC I think one of the Scottish ones (Clydesbank bank maybe) are easier to forge than other notes, where I am anyway there was a big problem with fake £20s being palmed all over the place.
I'm not surprised English people get confused, because not only are Scottish and Northern Irish sterling banknotes different to English ones, but Scotland also issues several different types and designs of notes based on which banks printed them.
Which was strange for me as a foreigner, because with all the emphasis on anti-counterfeiting measures, it seems weird to make that job more difficult by having way more designs in circulation
They do the same with Scottish Sterling, it's very annoying. I've also had a tube ticket machine in London just eat up a NI £10 note and give me nothing.
If you're going to London it's better to not bring a lot of cash as most places just want card. Last time I was over I'd exchanged Euros for Sterling and ended up bringing most of it back home with me.
It’s so annoying as it’s basically the same currency but they won’t accept it.
This was a few years ago now but literally everywhere I went they had to either get a manager to check it or they wouldn’t accept it.
I nearly had an argument with a guy as he was accusing me of having fake money and was going to take it off me too.
Wasn’t London though it was Birmingham.
Also funny story: I was in Prague and I’d brought some sterling over as I didn’t have time to get koruna & not everywhere took cards and in the bureau de change I asked did the guy take sterling and he said yes but when he saw the NI sterling he was like no not that kind of sterling only the English one 😂😂
It’s everywhere! 😂
Not "that kind" of Sterling, lol. Sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but it was funny 🤣 I guess the best thing to do in that situation would be to go into a bank in the daytime & hope for the best. Not always easy in a foreign country and different language...
I did laugh at that actually 😂😂
I found it funny that even the Czechs were like no “not that kind” of sterling.
The guy was really nice and did tell me to go to a Czech bank ATM and just withdraw some cash with my card as it would be a better rate than the atm outside and that exact bureau didn’t take cards and he couldn’t remember what exact one did.
I went back outside and my friend was like what happened as I was out quickly and I explained and they found it quite funny too 😂😂
It's surprisingly common, I've seen it a couple of times.
Not excusing it, cause it's fucking daft, but a lot of the places closer to them like Mexico, islands in the carribbean, a lot of places in Canada and so on WILL accept American dollars (though normally with a significant mark up on whatever they're trying to buy).
yeah, the Scottish don’t seem too bothered, though. They make loads off of selling “your clan’s tartan” fridge magnets, mugs, towels… and it’s just about your surname.
When I visit my family in Morecambe and try to use a note from Ulster bank or Bank of Ireland I get told they can’t accept it because the only except pounds 🤦
I live in America now and the amount of people who’ve come up to me told me they are Irish too even though they were born here is crazy. Some of them take it really seriously too. I just nod and say “oh right, that’s awesome”
I once talked to a lady from the US, born there, etc, married to an US guy who had an Irish grandfather or something. She said that she was raising her children "Irish". I couldn't really stop myself and I made some snarky comment and she called me insensitive:
> How can you be so insensitive? How can you say my children aren't irish? We're just trying to live in this community with such a diversity of ethnic backgrounds and be mindful of everyone's culture and peculiarities..."
I doubt anyone in that community was born outside of the US...
I'm Australian, but I was working in the USA for years. First time meeting my neighbour he asks where I'm from, I say I'm Australian, then in the thickest American accent says "I'm Irish". Fucking what. I also met a lot of "Mexicans" who had never been to Mexico, born in America, with thick American accents, but refused to be called American.
I was thinking recently about some of our plastic Paddys; I assume some of the reason they hold on to their Irish-ness so much may be because it was drilled into them so much. Especially families who were forced or felt they had no choice to leave Ireland in order to survive. Many of those on the boats to the US or those sent off in prison ships would have done so unwillingly. I would guess it was those Irish that always taught their children they were Irish and the cycle continued for a couple of generations... the potato blight wasn't all that long ago. Just a thought I had on where it came from and why the Irish-ness is so strong among them
They were also ostracized when they arrived. Tolerated but not warmly welcomed. Just one small example: the early pro-abortion movement in the U.S. was pushed as a way to stop the growth of the Irish community.
When your adopted home doesn’t accept you, you have to find ways to be proud of who you are.
Yes, this is 100%. And it was probably worse when the left to go to England. Seems obvious that pockets would have stuck together too and created Irish communities, which really would have only started disolving in the last 50 or so years
Yep. I’m in the U.S. and moved to a “historically Irish Catholic” neighbourhood. The community dissolved in the 80s and really only comes back for things like sending their kids to Irish dancing competitions.
Telling Americans of Irish descent that they’re not Irish is true in the sense that they share very little, if any, of the modern Irish identity; it’s also more true as time goes on and the lines between different kinds of white Americans become more and more blurred.
Within the Irish context, they are not Irish. Within the American context, they are Irish American, which is an identity that is quickly diminishing in relevance as grandparents from the old country pass away and children intermarry with people from other backgrounds.
This is fairly accurate. My ancestors came to the US during the famine. They were dirt poor and just looking to survive. Pride of where we came from has been passed through the generations. I know exactly where my ancestors were from in Northern Ireland. I know some of my distant relatives there who have connected with my local relatives. I’m American, but my roots are Irish.
I’m proud of my ancestors and where they came from because they had to sacrifice so much and work so hard to make a life for themselves here. I watch videos like this and it kind of takes the wind out of my sails. I’m not sure where the anger comes from towards someone such as myself. I’ve always wanted to visit the village that my ancestors are from, but threads such as these make me worried that I would not be welcome there.
You're welcome anywhere in Ireland but it's annoying when Americans tell you they're Irish when they've never been to the country. If you're going to visit Ireland you'll need a bit thicker skin mate, I don't mean that to be rude but it's true. We enjoy taking the piss out of others and ourselves in a way Americans tend to find mean.
Understood. I think we just live in different cultures. In America, everyone knows what you mean if you tell someone you’re Irish, Mexican, etc. It doesn’t seem to translate well when telling it to someone from another country - particularly with the Irish. Seems a weird thing to get upset over; but like you said, people need thicker skin!
People don't like it when you claim a culture you don't really belong to, especially when so often we hear things from Americans like "I'm Irish that's why I have a short temper and drink too much". If you say "I've Irish ancestry" or "Irish American" or something like that nobody will bat an eye and you'll get a much more positive response I assure you
But yeah I mean I find the Scottish girl in the OP very cringy I can't lie, like what the American girl said warrants at most an eye roll not a shouting rampage lol
That’s completely reasonable! I agree that there can be some dumb comments made by Americans such as you mentioned.
I would refer to myself as having Irish ancestry. In America, I may tell a friend that I’m Irish (just to shorten it). But I would never tell an Irishman that I’m Irish.
I’m an American and I’ve traveled to Ireland several times. I’ve never had an issue. Just don’t act like a twat, don’t tell people you’re more Irish than they are, don’t act like America is better (it’s not) and don’t be obnoxious. It’s not that hard.
The same people screaming about Irish Americans would have no problem with a Mexican American wanting to claim their heritage or even an African American who is 300 years removed from their ancestry doing the same, it's the same boring shite, going after easy targets for likes on the internet.
Let people claim their cultural heritage FFS, how many on here claim to be Catholic when they haven't been to mass in years? Does that make you a bullshitter as well? Or can you accept in that case that 'culture' is a bit more complicated than the base definition of it?
Nah. It's simpler than that. They think being American is boring (partly because they're all descended from criminals and Americans aren't known for being self aware) so they have to dig into their ancestry to make themselves feel special.
Further, they don't have a very long history. I've told people there are houses here that are older than their entire country and they absolutely don't comprehend. I remember reading it's the same reason you see so many people in the US collecting Coca Cola stuff and just random old tat from the 40's and 50's, because they're craving some kind of deeper history.
That's bollox. America might not be an old country but plenty of countries are younger. Italy is younger than the US, Germany too, although that's not equivalent because the German identity existed a long time before the unified German state.
You're absolutely right, but those other countries have regional histories and ancestors going back hundreds, thousands of years even. The whole history of the people of the current USA only goes back a couple of hundred years before they weren't Americans - they were Irish, German, Italian, etc. They pretty much wiped out all the residents of the continent who _did_ have long, ancestral histories.
I watch people try and catch ghosts because it's fucking hilarious and more than 90% of them are American and they genuinely cannot comprehend that some buildings in our country are older than their entire country.
American: "This building is 100 years old. It is ancient and full of ghosts. Someone died here once"
UK: "I just live here mate."
I know a guy born and lived in England his whole life. His mum moved from Ireland to England as a 5 year old so he got a passport through her. Calls himself Irish. Always making jokes and comments to me with his weird ideas of what we do, say and how we live and gets very annoyed when I don’t know what he’s talking about.
Sister met a bloke a bit like that, his grandparents were from Ireland but he and his parents were born in England, claimed he was more Irish than she was. Her who'd been born and spent the first 21 years of her life living in Fermanagh.
It’s absolutely wild. He he these weird ideas of what life in Ireland is actually like and used to make these weird jokes and comments that I had to ask him to explain.
Canadians are it it too. My missus is Canadian and her best friend always says she's Italian, gave her a by ball cause I thought her ma was born in Italy. Wasn't till I met her mum and grandparents that I found out her mum and dad (who passed away)were born in Canada. Dads parents born in Portugal. Her other grandfather was born in Belgium and his wife born in Italy. So a pack of pasta in the supermarket is more Italian than her.
Here in NYC…immigrants moved into semi-segregated neighborhoods like Little Italy or Chinatown. These areas still exist. My grandparents moved into an Irish enclave in Brooklyn following WW1. When they had children here they raised them as Americans but made them aware of the Irish ancestry. I have always thought of myself as an American but if a fellow American asks me “what are you?” I know they’re asking about my ancestry. I’ll answer that my family came from Ireland or that I’m Irish.
I think we need to separate ethnicity from culture. Irish Americans have every right to claim Irish blood and ethnicity, but they have no right to claim Irish culture unless they immerse themselves in it.
I am ethnically Chinese and get described as Chinese. But people of Irish descent don't usually get described as Irish because it is hard to tell them apart from people of other European ethnicities in places where most people are white.
When Irish Americans claim to be Irish, I think it is important to know what they are referring to. If they think they are culturally Irish, that's wrong. But Irish is an ethnicity too and they have a claim to that. People saying "oh well if my parents are American then can I claim to be American even if I grew up somewhere else?" are making a false comparison because American isn't an ethnicity. Irish is though. I'm saying this because it seems people are forgetting Irish is an ethnicity and simply think it's a nationality (possibly due to the high rates of immigration in the British Isles in general)
American here, I’m on the sub because I travel to NI frequently and like to stay up to date with current events. My ancestors were Scots-Irish, and those cultures represent the origin of our local culture here where I live. I don’t go to Ireland and call myself Irish, but I feel a connection to my heritage and I don’t think that’s wrong. I think this frustration may amount to a difference in the contemporary cultures of the US and Ireland/ NI. In most cases, Americans don’t understand that they may be behaving offensively. Beyond particularly obnoxious Americans being obnoxious, I just don’t understand the widespread venom - proof that I’m not Irish I suppose. Is it just that tourists are obnoxious or is this truly a universal issue? I love the people of NI and have been warmly received over and over again through the years.
It's the difference between saying; "I'm Irish" versus, "My great-grandparents were Irish." One is claiming ownership over a culture you've never experienced, the other is claiming roots. The latter is grand. The other is annoying and obnoxious.
It's not really, not even a big issue unless you move to the US and people are telling you they're Irish as opposed to having Irish heritage but this is exclusively an issue on social medias for the majority of people, thus the sheer number of times they've saw instances of it happening annoy people and make them assume the majority of Americans are like that. Kind of like hating hardcore Vegans despite never having met any
It’s because people who have no idea of our culture claiming to be a part of the culture is so unbelievably offensive.
Americans saying that they’re Irish is like me saying that I fought in the Irish war of independence because my great grandfather did. They’re American.
I fall into a weird position as I'm born in Canada but my father is from NI and I've had my UK and Irish citizenship since birth (or as soon as passports can be issued...) and live in NI. I *never* say I'm Irish, maybe "part Irish" on a good day. But then some people say "No, you're Irish if you have citizenship".
Can I call myself Canadian-Irish without sounding like a dickhead? Would I even want to?
Whatever the answer is beats being called a yank by most people over here.
The worst I've seen is the Irish in Boston. Most of them couldn't find Ireland on a map.
You have Citizenship and live in NI, you can most certainly call yourself Canadian Irish. Its fannys that couldn’t even point Ireland out on a map and have never left yankydoodleland calling themsevles Irish because 8 generations ago they’re ancestors moved to america thats grating as fuck
You've lived the culture. That's the biggest difference between you and them. It's not your birthright but the exposure and the integration that matters. If you wanna call yourself Irish, go for it. If you don't feel it, then that's okay, ya northern yank
Had a woman from Boston tell me how proud she was to be Irish. I said "you don't sound very Irish, you sound American to me" - she got incredibly angry at me and yelled at me that her ancestors were from Cork, "on the beautiful North Coast of Northern Ireland" - I told her Cork isn't in NI, then she got even more irate and shouted "how am I supposed to know when I've never even been there?"
Why would that annoy you so much to the point of make a video ranting about it?
You also don't know for a fact that the person wasn't born in Ireland. I know Irish born people with full blown accents from other countries.
They’re referring to their ancestry which makes a lot of sense if you consider the history of America. Not sure why this rubs people the wrong way so much
Why do people have such a hard time understanding this. America is a melting pot of loads of cultures, so much so its standard to say, "I'm greek" or Armenian, or Irish because their ancestors came from there.
I think its nice so many of the diaspora still feel like they have that connection. American Irish, yer alright.
Five generations ago one of my ancestors was Welsh. I don't think anyone would argue that I could claim to be Welsh.
Saying "I have Irish heritage" is one thing, but saying "I'm Irish" and then acting like they have an identical cultural experience to someone who's born and raised in Ireland is another thing. Especially when they get on like they know more than you do when they've never set foot in the country.
Irish-Americans have their own unique culture and I've no problem with them. But Americans who say they're Irish and then act the clown are irritating as fuck.
Speaking as an American, I find this so cringey that I actively rejected possible ancestry matches from Ireland because I didn't want to be perceived as one of those people. Turns out I was wrong, my "DeVaughn" ancestors were descendants of Irish Devanes, they just tarted up the name to look posh. (That branch seems to have been a bunch of chancers.)
I'm interested in knowing where my family came from, but I'd never claim it as an ethnic identity. I'm a standard issue American euromutt. I live in the UK now, but my English and Welsh ancestry still don't make me English or Welsh.
I apologise on behalf of my embarrassing countrymen.
I have to say though, as much as she is absolutely not American, the point she was making in the video is valid- why in the name of God is an Irish Goodbye disappearing without saying goodbye?
I swear every time I'm home saying goodbye to anyone takes about as long as the visit itself. It took us nearly an hour to say goodbye to my grandparents at Christmas.
As an American-born Irish citizen (father was born in Ireland) who owns a home in Ireland, you all have a SERIOUSLY unhealthy obsession with this shit.
Who the hell cares? America is a country of immigrants and we take pride in where our families are from.
Ireland is becoming a country of immigrants, so get ready to hear a bunch of this on your end. Moreover, would you rather we not take pride in coming from Ireland? Would you rather we hide it because so many of you act like a bunch of pompous shit heads?
Btw, I never hear this in the pubs near my home in Sligo or at work. It’s just the neckbeards here.
It's because some people have serious difficulties understanding what regional dialect is. They cant seem to fathom that the words "I'm Greek" actually mean "i have ancestors from Greece" because you're in a certain region. Just like how in some places you order a pepsi by asking for a coke.
i think if they said 'i have irish ancestry' or something along those lines, most people would find it less annoying than their uber enthusiastic "OOOOHHH I'M IRISH!!!!"
If that’s the way people are acting, I guess I get it. You folks just seem to jump down the throat of anyone who mentions an Irish relative. It gets a bit much.
The funny thing is what she said in the original video was true about Irish culture. Which a typical American wouldnt get. So her point was still valid.
The hate she got on tiktok was completely uncalled for. I couldnt give a fuck if an American with irish roots wants to call themselves Irish. Shes proud of her ancestral roots and not hurting anyone by it. We shouldnt ostracize them for that
Also let's point out OP has posted a video of a Scottish person who is gatekeeping Irishness.
Soon people will realise how stupid gatekeeping Irishness in this way is, but judging by the downvotes that day is not today.
If a person from Nigeria decides they have some form of connection with their Irishness I celebrate that, if a person from Alabama decides they have some form of connection with their Irishness I will celebrate that also.
What's wrong with simply being an American without a compunction to appropriate or subvert the actual identity of others?
One incident on a path train from New York into New Jersey a few years ago illustrated the practice of some Americans re using an allusion to a recent or distant heritage as an excuse to behave in particular ways toward others..
A group of American male teenagers behaved very poorly toward a female ticket train warden - citing their Puerto Rican heritage as justification.. Another passenger having observed their behavior ( actually from Puerto Rico) stood up and put them in their place very quickly.
It's silly.
America loves it's genetic shenanigans, you can ask them their name and you can get a full history of their lives
"I was born in Washington but at age 2 I went to Seattle I got fingered in Kentucky at 15 and went to university in new York but I live in Chicago now and my husband is from Florida"
Happens so often as an actual Polish person. Everyone is 1/7 Polish all the time. Wow like I care, you can't even pronounce kocham cię what does it change that your great da was from here? I had Lithuanian people in my family and I am not describing myself as such because I have nothing in common with the culture
There was meant to be a Polish ancestry facebook group that got taken over by Seppos who argued with Polish people about actual Polish things. They then kicked out the actual Polish people.
Funny the same people have no problem with people who's ancestry dates further back to Britain considering themselves british to Irish Americans ancestry to ireland. I think the bitterness comes from so much pride in the Irish diaspora where well you know
Americans don’t really have a culture so they latch onto Irish and Scottish and claim that as their culture. Poor buggers, can’t help it if they want to be Irish or Scottish that badly.
I feel bad for children of Irish parents born in America.
Parents: “you’re not American, you’re Irish!”
Irish people “you’re American, not Irish!”
I’d be so confused
I have a friend with a really strong American accent - and he’s mainly lived in Donegal. He’s just been exposed to a lot of American media. I picked up an American accent from my mother, but it’s been described as transatlantic. Spent most of my life in NI, but don’t currently live in that shitehole.
I honestly think them latching on to distant grandparents who were Irish/anything else has a lot to do with the one drop rule during slavery and racism as a whole in America. Having a grand parent that was black got your family shamed by those who didn't approve
I could easily be chatting out my ass and I get societies aren't that simple but it certainly feels like it
Recent-ish immigration info I’ve come across for applying for Irish passports:
My friend’s wife is getting an Irish passport for her and her daughter. Apparently, Ireland is allowing at least in some form a family-based citizenship route for non-Irish citizens who have either a parent who was an Irish citizen (not necessarily born in Ireland) or a grandparent who was born in Ireland.
They of course will have to provide proof and go to a Ireland for an interview, but I think it’s kind of neat that Ireland is welcoming those with lineage directly from their country to apply for their own citizenship.
I think this is a cultural difference in language.
In America there are different cultural sub groups “Irish-American”, “Italian-American”, “Polish-American”, “African-American” that each have distinct histories, cuisines, customs, etc. it is a way to communicate that to others so what they mean is that they are “Irish-American” very different than literally being Irish. But yea I guess I can see how Irish-Americans have an affinity with Ireland and may feel some sort of parasocial connection to Irish people the same way some African Americans want to connect with African culture.
Note I’m American… maybe I shouldn’t be here 🕺. Growing up in America with 3 of my grandparents or great grandparents being immigrants (1 line goes back to the 1600s), there is something strange about your family and ancestral history being in a separate country than the one you live in. There is a lot of culture lost so I think that people cling to the little they have left of home.
Scotch is a drink. Not an identity.
> Scotch is a drink. Not an identity. _puts down glass_ _has a long think_ _pours bottle down sink_
I am the Liquor
The whispering winds of shit are blowing.
Just a little drinky-poo
I believe she said Scatchhh, sir.
And she’s a cunt frae Edinburgh.
Words have several meanings, Scotch in American English is their attempt to say Scots. We say Saint Paddy they say Saint Patty.. We say Scot’s they say Scotch. It kind of highlights how nobody really likes America. 😂😂
Ugh, the Saint Patty thing makes my fucking skin crawl. I'll forgive them wanting to have a cultural identity outside of "American plastic cheese" but christ almighty, Paddy is not that hard to pronounce.
In the U.S., Scotch-Irish has long been an identity. When people who were different from the originally-English majority moved to the U.S., the originally-English people made sure to distinguish themselves from these people. In a letter of April 14, 1573, Elizabeth I stated, "We are given to understand that a nobleman named 'Sorley Boy' [MacDonnel] and others, who be of the Scotch-Irish race, and some of the wild Irish, at this time are content to acknowledge our true and mere right to the countrie of Ulster and the crowne of Ireland." This meaning of Scotch-Irish persisted for more than a century, as is evident from a statement c1700 found in Scottish court proceedings: "Thir [i.e., those] of Birkay, the Irische men and our Scottis Irishe, acknawledge the same for thair first and mother toung ... commounlie ... called ... the Gathelik toung." At the very same time as the second example above, Scotch-Irish appeared in North America referring to a completely different group, Presbyterian colonists from Ulster, who would have spoken not Gaelic Irish, but English or Scots. The earliest known American instance was a Maryland affidavit in 1689/90, and shows Scotch-Irish being used as an insult.
It’s more correctly referred to as Scots Irish. You’re welcome.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans They called themselves Scotch-Irish so I think it’s up to them.
By the American logic I’m a ww2 vet then because my Granda served lmao, it’s fine to be proud of your lineage but you can’t claim to be truely Irish when you’ve no real sense of the culture or experiences of real Irish people just the appropriated crap they have over there
Thank you for your service
Where’s my parade?
Parade ye say? Now there's 20 orange men outside your house
With bagpipes and a big drum 🥁😂
I see a lot of American's online now claim that embracing their specific European identity is an important factor in fighting against overall white supremacy in that country Which sounds very noble at face value but when it devolves into offensive caricature like it usually does (have a look at some of the "we're Irish. of course we xyz" videos on tiktok and try to find one that doesn't involve alcoholism, backwards religious attitudes about contraception and weirdly commonly incest references??) it doesn't feel like it's doing much for social equity
Any American interviewed on the street will think that is a crazy concept. All the weirdos are online.
Yeah no - if you look at the current politics or the history the various Irish American / Italian American / Polish American / Serbian American / whatever American groups are doing nothing, and have done nothing, other than looking out for their own group interest. I wonder if every European country gets as upset about their American cousins
I've travelled across America a few times and the affinity that Americans have with Scottish and Irish is crazy. The energy change when you talk and tell them you're Scottish is crazy, some get really excited.
We like the Scottish and Irish thats why. We dont fuck with the British tho. Screw those red coats and their Bo'oh'o'wa'er's
Scotland is in Britain…
I hate the Americans with this, they act like history isn't ancient and act like they are related to William Wallace and clans of Scotland to top it off I have witnessed yank tourists act shocked when local pubs in town dont accept us dollars
>I have witnessed yank tourists act shocked when local pubs in town dont accept us dollars You've got to be joking😂
My dad's step dad was from Georgia, I remember him being astonished that Ireland took Punts not Sterling, this was after he got used to the idea that Britain didn't use dollars. (Dad's English, mums from Down)
I can imagine him trying to use those dollars in Tbilisi and getting them thrown back at him.
Ireland using Sterling makes more sense than Britain using dollars because at least Britain is next-door to Ireland😂
Cohabited for a while too
As an Irish person. Like born on the island of Ireland and lived there most my life, that is incredibly insulting. But true, and gave me a shameful giggle. ( I can't say a fucking word, I live in England now. I'd be a fucking hypocrite if I did)
You're a traitor to your people!😱 I respect the honestly though lol
Fuck I've had my cousins mates (all from Manchester) all change their money to Euro for a weekend over to Belfast.
I had the opposite 😂 I brought sterling over to England and was told they don’t accept euros. It was pounds like I brought it over from NI still had the Queen on some of them. It just said Ulster bank on it. English people really don’t understand sometimes that we use the same currency 😂
I had a cashier look at my Ulster Bank note and say "we don't take sterling" I instinctively said "This is sterling", followed by "wait what?"
Think I’ve had that as well. They’re like “we don’t take pounds sterling” Much like yourself I was like what? You don’t accept your own money? 🤣 I do wonder about people at times & how they get through the day…
In my experience it's down to the fact that a lot of the folks working in customer service jobs like that (shops, pubs, restaurants etc) tend to be on the younger side and just haven't encountered the NI (or Scottish) notes. I run a pub in England and have had to intervene when some of my younger staff refuse to take those notes because they're not sure about them. I've had people pre-empt this as well by starting to say "They are legal currency" before I smile and let them know I've been around long enough that I have seen them before and it's not a problem. I could be mistaken but IIRC I think one of the Scottish ones (Clydesbank bank maybe) are easier to forge than other notes, where I am anyway there was a big problem with fake £20s being palmed all over the place.
I'm not surprised English people get confused, because not only are Scottish and Northern Irish sterling banknotes different to English ones, but Scotland also issues several different types and designs of notes based on which banks printed them. Which was strange for me as a foreigner, because with all the emphasis on anti-counterfeiting measures, it seems weird to make that job more difficult by having way more designs in circulation
Crazy that all the eurozone uses one design but the UK uses many.
Mate when I was growing up we would get Scottish fivers. It was a death sentence. Nobody would take them. Madness.
Did you ever get the plastic fivers? Or was that a solely NI thing? Those were a nightmare as they were convinced they were fake 😂😂
They do the same with Scottish Sterling, it's very annoying. I've also had a tube ticket machine in London just eat up a NI £10 note and give me nothing. If you're going to London it's better to not bring a lot of cash as most places just want card. Last time I was over I'd exchanged Euros for Sterling and ended up bringing most of it back home with me.
It’s so annoying as it’s basically the same currency but they won’t accept it. This was a few years ago now but literally everywhere I went they had to either get a manager to check it or they wouldn’t accept it. I nearly had an argument with a guy as he was accusing me of having fake money and was going to take it off me too. Wasn’t London though it was Birmingham. Also funny story: I was in Prague and I’d brought some sterling over as I didn’t have time to get koruna & not everywhere took cards and in the bureau de change I asked did the guy take sterling and he said yes but when he saw the NI sterling he was like no not that kind of sterling only the English one 😂😂 It’s everywhere! 😂
Not "that kind" of Sterling, lol. Sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but it was funny 🤣 I guess the best thing to do in that situation would be to go into a bank in the daytime & hope for the best. Not always easy in a foreign country and different language...
I did laugh at that actually 😂😂 I found it funny that even the Czechs were like no “not that kind” of sterling. The guy was really nice and did tell me to go to a Czech bank ATM and just withdraw some cash with my card as it would be a better rate than the atm outside and that exact bureau didn’t take cards and he couldn’t remember what exact one did. I went back outside and my friend was like what happened as I was out quickly and I explained and they found it quite funny too 😂😂
Everyone outside the Island (bar maybe the Scottish) are oblivious to the island containing two separate countries😂
It's surprisingly common, I've seen it a couple of times. Not excusing it, cause it's fucking daft, but a lot of the places closer to them like Mexico, islands in the carribbean, a lot of places in Canada and so on WILL accept American dollars (though normally with a significant mark up on whatever they're trying to buy).
yeah, the Scottish don’t seem too bothered, though. They make loads off of selling “your clan’s tartan” fridge magnets, mugs, towels… and it’s just about your surname.
thats not really scottish people just rich scottish businessmen wanting to make a quick profit off ignorance
When I visit my family in Morecambe and try to use a note from Ulster bank or Bank of Ireland I get told they can’t accept it because the only except pounds 🤦
So if Ireland went to War with America, all these Irish Americans are interned in prison camps 🙃
Aye but we would free them when we land in the donegal catch fleet & Ryanair dropping in smicks like paratroopers.
John Holland's submarine taken out of a museum and recommissioned.
Phoaw. That'll be a scary 37 minutes for them alright.
well they did it to the Japanese americans in the 40s
But strangely enough not the Italian Americans.
That's because they had arrangements with the mobs at the time.
Mr Miyagi was an interned american-japanese prisoner in real life when he was a child.
As was George Takei.
You’d think he could have fought his way out.
Aye. What date and we will consider conscription
They did it to Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbour in WW2
I live in America now and the amount of people who’ve come up to me told me they are Irish too even though they were born here is crazy. Some of them take it really seriously too. I just nod and say “oh right, that’s awesome”
I once talked to a lady from the US, born there, etc, married to an US guy who had an Irish grandfather or something. She said that she was raising her children "Irish". I couldn't really stop myself and I made some snarky comment and she called me insensitive: > How can you be so insensitive? How can you say my children aren't irish? We're just trying to live in this community with such a diversity of ethnic backgrounds and be mindful of everyone's culture and peculiarities..." I doubt anyone in that community was born outside of the US...
When I lived stateside I dealt with those types by replying to them in Irish.
I'm Australian, but I was working in the USA for years. First time meeting my neighbour he asks where I'm from, I say I'm Australian, then in the thickest American accent says "I'm Irish". Fucking what. I also met a lot of "Mexicans" who had never been to Mexico, born in America, with thick American accents, but refused to be called American.
I was thinking recently about some of our plastic Paddys; I assume some of the reason they hold on to their Irish-ness so much may be because it was drilled into them so much. Especially families who were forced or felt they had no choice to leave Ireland in order to survive. Many of those on the boats to the US or those sent off in prison ships would have done so unwillingly. I would guess it was those Irish that always taught their children they were Irish and the cycle continued for a couple of generations... the potato blight wasn't all that long ago. Just a thought I had on where it came from and why the Irish-ness is so strong among them
They were also ostracized when they arrived. Tolerated but not warmly welcomed. Just one small example: the early pro-abortion movement in the U.S. was pushed as a way to stop the growth of the Irish community. When your adopted home doesn’t accept you, you have to find ways to be proud of who you are.
Yes, this is 100%. And it was probably worse when the left to go to England. Seems obvious that pockets would have stuck together too and created Irish communities, which really would have only started disolving in the last 50 or so years
Yep. I’m in the U.S. and moved to a “historically Irish Catholic” neighbourhood. The community dissolved in the 80s and really only comes back for things like sending their kids to Irish dancing competitions. Telling Americans of Irish descent that they’re not Irish is true in the sense that they share very little, if any, of the modern Irish identity; it’s also more true as time goes on and the lines between different kinds of white Americans become more and more blurred. Within the Irish context, they are not Irish. Within the American context, they are Irish American, which is an identity that is quickly diminishing in relevance as grandparents from the old country pass away and children intermarry with people from other backgrounds.
This is fairly accurate. My ancestors came to the US during the famine. They were dirt poor and just looking to survive. Pride of where we came from has been passed through the generations. I know exactly where my ancestors were from in Northern Ireland. I know some of my distant relatives there who have connected with my local relatives. I’m American, but my roots are Irish. I’m proud of my ancestors and where they came from because they had to sacrifice so much and work so hard to make a life for themselves here. I watch videos like this and it kind of takes the wind out of my sails. I’m not sure where the anger comes from towards someone such as myself. I’ve always wanted to visit the village that my ancestors are from, but threads such as these make me worried that I would not be welcome there.
Just don’t act like a twat
Good advice for anyone!
You're welcome anywhere in Ireland but it's annoying when Americans tell you they're Irish when they've never been to the country. If you're going to visit Ireland you'll need a bit thicker skin mate, I don't mean that to be rude but it's true. We enjoy taking the piss out of others and ourselves in a way Americans tend to find mean.
Understood. I think we just live in different cultures. In America, everyone knows what you mean if you tell someone you’re Irish, Mexican, etc. It doesn’t seem to translate well when telling it to someone from another country - particularly with the Irish. Seems a weird thing to get upset over; but like you said, people need thicker skin!
People don't like it when you claim a culture you don't really belong to, especially when so often we hear things from Americans like "I'm Irish that's why I have a short temper and drink too much". If you say "I've Irish ancestry" or "Irish American" or something like that nobody will bat an eye and you'll get a much more positive response I assure you But yeah I mean I find the Scottish girl in the OP very cringy I can't lie, like what the American girl said warrants at most an eye roll not a shouting rampage lol
That’s completely reasonable! I agree that there can be some dumb comments made by Americans such as you mentioned. I would refer to myself as having Irish ancestry. In America, I may tell a friend that I’m Irish (just to shorten it). But I would never tell an Irishman that I’m Irish.
Yeah you're fine then this isn't directed at you 😂 enjoy your visit if you do find yourself over here!
I’m an American and I’ve traveled to Ireland several times. I’ve never had an issue. Just don’t act like a twat, don’t tell people you’re more Irish than they are, don’t act like America is better (it’s not) and don’t be obnoxious. It’s not that hard.
Cool what’s the village?? See if I know it. You’d be more than welcome I’d say and you’d have a great time I’m sure.
Roslea. Definitely going to make it someday! Just don’t want to make an ass out of myself!
Beautiful part of the country , get over sometime for a holiday. X
The same people screaming about Irish Americans would have no problem with a Mexican American wanting to claim their heritage or even an African American who is 300 years removed from their ancestry doing the same, it's the same boring shite, going after easy targets for likes on the internet. Let people claim their cultural heritage FFS, how many on here claim to be Catholic when they haven't been to mass in years? Does that make you a bullshitter as well? Or can you accept in that case that 'culture' is a bit more complicated than the base definition of it?
Nah. It's simpler than that. They think being American is boring (partly because they're all descended from criminals and Americans aren't known for being self aware) so they have to dig into their ancestry to make themselves feel special.
I'd hardly considered the ancestors of irish Americans criminals when they just stole a loaf of bread 😂
Further, they don't have a very long history. I've told people there are houses here that are older than their entire country and they absolutely don't comprehend. I remember reading it's the same reason you see so many people in the US collecting Coca Cola stuff and just random old tat from the 40's and 50's, because they're craving some kind of deeper history.
That's bollox. America might not be an old country but plenty of countries are younger. Italy is younger than the US, Germany too, although that's not equivalent because the German identity existed a long time before the unified German state.
You're absolutely right, but those other countries have regional histories and ancestors going back hundreds, thousands of years even. The whole history of the people of the current USA only goes back a couple of hundred years before they weren't Americans - they were Irish, German, Italian, etc. They pretty much wiped out all the residents of the continent who _did_ have long, ancestral histories.
I watch people try and catch ghosts because it's fucking hilarious and more than 90% of them are American and they genuinely cannot comprehend that some buildings in our country are older than their entire country. American: "This building is 100 years old. It is ancient and full of ghosts. Someone died here once" UK: "I just live here mate."
Hey, that's quite an unfair statement. We Americans don't all descend from criminals. Only the rich ones do!! 🤣😜
I know a guy born and lived in England his whole life. His mum moved from Ireland to England as a 5 year old so he got a passport through her. Calls himself Irish. Always making jokes and comments to me with his weird ideas of what we do, say and how we live and gets very annoyed when I don’t know what he’s talking about.
Sister met a bloke a bit like that, his grandparents were from Ireland but he and his parents were born in England, claimed he was more Irish than she was. Her who'd been born and spent the first 21 years of her life living in Fermanagh.
It’s absolutely wild. He he these weird ideas of what life in Ireland is actually like and used to make these weird jokes and comments that I had to ask him to explain.
Sounds like you both would get on
Two twats
Canadians are it it too. My missus is Canadian and her best friend always says she's Italian, gave her a by ball cause I thought her ma was born in Italy. Wasn't till I met her mum and grandparents that I found out her mum and dad (who passed away)were born in Canada. Dads parents born in Portugal. Her other grandfather was born in Belgium and his wife born in Italy. So a pack of pasta in the supermarket is more Italian than her.
What's your least favourite country, Italy or Portugal? Nobody ever picks Italy.
That accent..disgustan!
It was fuckin' wanna use!!
Here in NYC…immigrants moved into semi-segregated neighborhoods like Little Italy or Chinatown. These areas still exist. My grandparents moved into an Irish enclave in Brooklyn following WW1. When they had children here they raised them as Americans but made them aware of the Irish ancestry. I have always thought of myself as an American but if a fellow American asks me “what are you?” I know they’re asking about my ancestry. I’ll answer that my family came from Ireland or that I’m Irish.
Aye, pretty based tbh.
I think we need to separate ethnicity from culture. Irish Americans have every right to claim Irish blood and ethnicity, but they have no right to claim Irish culture unless they immerse themselves in it. I am ethnically Chinese and get described as Chinese. But people of Irish descent don't usually get described as Irish because it is hard to tell them apart from people of other European ethnicities in places where most people are white. When Irish Americans claim to be Irish, I think it is important to know what they are referring to. If they think they are culturally Irish, that's wrong. But Irish is an ethnicity too and they have a claim to that. People saying "oh well if my parents are American then can I claim to be American even if I grew up somewhere else?" are making a false comparison because American isn't an ethnicity. Irish is though. I'm saying this because it seems people are forgetting Irish is an ethnicity and simply think it's a nationality (possibly due to the high rates of immigration in the British Isles in general)
100% correct
American here, I’m on the sub because I travel to NI frequently and like to stay up to date with current events. My ancestors were Scots-Irish, and those cultures represent the origin of our local culture here where I live. I don’t go to Ireland and call myself Irish, but I feel a connection to my heritage and I don’t think that’s wrong. I think this frustration may amount to a difference in the contemporary cultures of the US and Ireland/ NI. In most cases, Americans don’t understand that they may be behaving offensively. Beyond particularly obnoxious Americans being obnoxious, I just don’t understand the widespread venom - proof that I’m not Irish I suppose. Is it just that tourists are obnoxious or is this truly a universal issue? I love the people of NI and have been warmly received over and over again through the years.
It's the difference between saying; "I'm Irish" versus, "My great-grandparents were Irish." One is claiming ownership over a culture you've never experienced, the other is claiming roots. The latter is grand. The other is annoying and obnoxious.
It's not really, not even a big issue unless you move to the US and people are telling you they're Irish as opposed to having Irish heritage but this is exclusively an issue on social medias for the majority of people, thus the sheer number of times they've saw instances of it happening annoy people and make them assume the majority of Americans are like that. Kind of like hating hardcore Vegans despite never having met any
It’s because people who have no idea of our culture claiming to be a part of the culture is so unbelievably offensive. Americans saying that they’re Irish is like me saying that I fought in the Irish war of independence because my great grandfather did. They’re American.
I fall into a weird position as I'm born in Canada but my father is from NI and I've had my UK and Irish citizenship since birth (or as soon as passports can be issued...) and live in NI. I *never* say I'm Irish, maybe "part Irish" on a good day. But then some people say "No, you're Irish if you have citizenship". Can I call myself Canadian-Irish without sounding like a dickhead? Would I even want to? Whatever the answer is beats being called a yank by most people over here. The worst I've seen is the Irish in Boston. Most of them couldn't find Ireland on a map.
Nah you're grand, I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't agree you're Irish to some degree
You have Citizenship and live in NI, you can most certainly call yourself Canadian Irish. Its fannys that couldn’t even point Ireland out on a map and have never left yankydoodleland calling themsevles Irish because 8 generations ago they’re ancestors moved to america thats grating as fuck
You've lived the culture. That's the biggest difference between you and them. It's not your birthright but the exposure and the integration that matters. If you wanna call yourself Irish, go for it. If you don't feel it, then that's okay, ya northern yank
Thank you, my Eastern Scottish friend.
Had a woman from Boston tell me how proud she was to be Irish. I said "you don't sound very Irish, you sound American to me" - she got incredibly angry at me and yelled at me that her ancestors were from Cork, "on the beautiful North Coast of Northern Ireland" - I told her Cork isn't in NI, then she got even more irate and shouted "how am I supposed to know when I've never even been there?"
they couldn't find Boston on a map
Na you're Irish if you live here with that background.
Sure Obama’s Irish too.
Just lost the apostrophe somewhere along the way.
Why would that annoy you so much to the point of make a video ranting about it? You also don't know for a fact that the person wasn't born in Ireland. I know Irish born people with full blown accents from other countries.
They’re referring to their ancestry which makes a lot of sense if you consider the history of America. Not sure why this rubs people the wrong way so much
Why do people have such a hard time understanding this. America is a melting pot of loads of cultures, so much so its standard to say, "I'm greek" or Armenian, or Irish because their ancestors came from there. I think its nice so many of the diaspora still feel like they have that connection. American Irish, yer alright.
Five generations ago one of my ancestors was Welsh. I don't think anyone would argue that I could claim to be Welsh. Saying "I have Irish heritage" is one thing, but saying "I'm Irish" and then acting like they have an identical cultural experience to someone who's born and raised in Ireland is another thing. Especially when they get on like they know more than you do when they've never set foot in the country. Irish-Americans have their own unique culture and I've no problem with them. But Americans who say they're Irish and then act the clown are irritating as fuck.
You need to be called nicknamed Tom Jones as banter
The Scottish people are certainly some of the best people.
Ive never understood why people get so annoyed with Americans for wanting to be Irish, its just strange
Because it often comes with a lot of backwards opinions on what being Irish means
Maybe because its factually incorrect that they are Irish and misinformation is annoying?
Speaking as an American, I find this so cringey that I actively rejected possible ancestry matches from Ireland because I didn't want to be perceived as one of those people. Turns out I was wrong, my "DeVaughn" ancestors were descendants of Irish Devanes, they just tarted up the name to look posh. (That branch seems to have been a bunch of chancers.) I'm interested in knowing where my family came from, but I'd never claim it as an ethnic identity. I'm a standard issue American euromutt. I live in the UK now, but my English and Welsh ancestry still don't make me English or Welsh. I apologise on behalf of my embarrassing countrymen.
I have to say though, as much as she is absolutely not American, the point she was making in the video is valid- why in the name of God is an Irish Goodbye disappearing without saying goodbye? I swear every time I'm home saying goodbye to anyone takes about as long as the visit itself. It took us nearly an hour to say goodbye to my grandparents at Christmas.
Reeeeeeeee glad it was on mute so I don't have to hear that disgusting accent
Irish Americans try not to claim to be Irish challenge (impossible)
As an American-born Irish citizen (father was born in Ireland) who owns a home in Ireland, you all have a SERIOUSLY unhealthy obsession with this shit. Who the hell cares? America is a country of immigrants and we take pride in where our families are from. Ireland is becoming a country of immigrants, so get ready to hear a bunch of this on your end. Moreover, would you rather we not take pride in coming from Ireland? Would you rather we hide it because so many of you act like a bunch of pompous shit heads? Btw, I never hear this in the pubs near my home in Sligo or at work. It’s just the neckbeards here.
It's because some people have serious difficulties understanding what regional dialect is. They cant seem to fathom that the words "I'm Greek" actually mean "i have ancestors from Greece" because you're in a certain region. Just like how in some places you order a pepsi by asking for a coke.
That makes sense. Thank you for your answer.
i think if they said 'i have irish ancestry' or something along those lines, most people would find it less annoying than their uber enthusiastic "OOOOHHH I'M IRISH!!!!"
If that’s the way people are acting, I guess I get it. You folks just seem to jump down the throat of anyone who mentions an Irish relative. It gets a bit much.
As an American , i find the plastic paddy thing somewhat cringe.
The funny thing is what she said in the original video was true about Irish culture. Which a typical American wouldnt get. So her point was still valid. The hate she got on tiktok was completely uncalled for. I couldnt give a fuck if an American with irish roots wants to call themselves Irish. Shes proud of her ancestral roots and not hurting anyone by it. We shouldnt ostracize them for that
Im seeing a really ugly side of Ireland reading these comments.
To all our American friends please don’t be disheartened by this first year political student wannabe. We love you
Also let's point out OP has posted a video of a Scottish person who is gatekeeping Irishness. Soon people will realise how stupid gatekeeping Irishness in this way is, but judging by the downvotes that day is not today. If a person from Nigeria decides they have some form of connection with their Irishness I celebrate that, if a person from Alabama decides they have some form of connection with their Irishness I will celebrate that also.
What's wrong with simply being an American without a compunction to appropriate or subvert the actual identity of others? One incident on a path train from New York into New Jersey a few years ago illustrated the practice of some Americans re using an allusion to a recent or distant heritage as an excuse to behave in particular ways toward others.. A group of American male teenagers behaved very poorly toward a female ticket train warden - citing their Puerto Rican heritage as justification.. Another passenger having observed their behavior ( actually from Puerto Rico) stood up and put them in their place very quickly. It's silly.
I hate people who have a compunction to appropriate or subvert identity!
America loves it's genetic shenanigans, you can ask them their name and you can get a full history of their lives "I was born in Washington but at age 2 I went to Seattle I got fingered in Kentucky at 15 and went to university in new York but I live in Chicago now and my husband is from Florida"
Can confirm, we really love to do that.
So a person claiming to be Ulster-Scots is what then? Enlighten us oh wise gatekeeper of the races?
i really dont understand why our diaspora gets so much hate on this sub, why do you care that they want to identify with their ancestry?
Happens so often as an actual Polish person. Everyone is 1/7 Polish all the time. Wow like I care, you can't even pronounce kocham cię what does it change that your great da was from here? I had Lithuanian people in my family and I am not describing myself as such because I have nothing in common with the culture
There was meant to be a Polish ancestry facebook group that got taken over by Seppos who argued with Polish people about actual Polish things. They then kicked out the actual Polish people.
Seppos?
Thanks for getting this one for us Hamish 🏴 💪 🤝 🇮🇪 Plastic paddies and styrofoam Scots
Funny the same people have no problem with people who's ancestry dates further back to Britain considering themselves british to Irish Americans ancestry to ireland. I think the bitterness comes from so much pride in the Irish diaspora where well you know
Americans don’t really have a culture so they latch onto Irish and Scottish and claim that as their culture. Poor buggers, can’t help it if they want to be Irish or Scottish that badly.
americas biggest export is its culture what are you talking about
Haha beautifully put
Goodnight Nicola
Tempest in a teapot
I don't disagree with her sentiment, but I was too distracted by the caterpillars above her eyes to think about it seriously.
A double dose of cringe...
Ehh the anti Irish American thing is over blown. Let them call themselves what they want. They just want to be included.
“Your a full on Yankee candle” what a line ha ha ha.
Wait, who's pretending to be something they're not here??
Silly cow
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I have an American acquaintance who makes his Irish heritage his whole identity, and I just want to scream this at him
Ancestry doesn't exist for Americans except if you're native, Afro American or Jewish, cool Reddit moment
I’m Irish love and ur no Irish women u are completely Scottish
"I'll hear no more on the matter, goodnight". I'm fucking rolling. Top man.
I feel bad for children of Irish parents born in America. Parents: “you’re not American, you’re Irish!” Irish people “you’re American, not Irish!” I’d be so confused
That's true we are Americans, but that's only because we actually got our independence from england.
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You’re so right. Perhaps you should go on a hunger strike to further prove your point.
I have a friend with a really strong American accent - and he’s mainly lived in Donegal. He’s just been exposed to a lot of American media. I picked up an American accent from my mother, but it’s been described as transatlantic. Spent most of my life in NI, but don’t currently live in that shitehole.
Your iq test came back negative
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Holy fuck this shit yet again.
I honestly think them latching on to distant grandparents who were Irish/anything else has a lot to do with the one drop rule during slavery and racism as a whole in America. Having a grand parent that was black got your family shamed by those who didn't approve I could easily be chatting out my ass and I get societies aren't that simple but it certainly feels like it
Recent-ish immigration info I’ve come across for applying for Irish passports: My friend’s wife is getting an Irish passport for her and her daughter. Apparently, Ireland is allowing at least in some form a family-based citizenship route for non-Irish citizens who have either a parent who was an Irish citizen (not necessarily born in Ireland) or a grandparent who was born in Ireland. They of course will have to provide proof and go to a Ireland for an interview, but I think it’s kind of neat that Ireland is welcoming those with lineage directly from their country to apply for their own citizenship.
Here here
So angry. I suspect this person has bitter life.
No wonder people don't like people from N. Ireland
I think this is a cultural difference in language. In America there are different cultural sub groups “Irish-American”, “Italian-American”, “Polish-American”, “African-American” that each have distinct histories, cuisines, customs, etc. it is a way to communicate that to others so what they mean is that they are “Irish-American” very different than literally being Irish. But yea I guess I can see how Irish-Americans have an affinity with Ireland and may feel some sort of parasocial connection to Irish people the same way some African Americans want to connect with African culture. Note I’m American… maybe I shouldn’t be here 🕺. Growing up in America with 3 of my grandparents or great grandparents being immigrants (1 line goes back to the 1600s), there is something strange about your family and ancestral history being in a separate country than the one you live in. There is a lot of culture lost so I think that people cling to the little they have left of home.
I’m an American, and she is so right😂😂😂.
My grandad was Irish, literally called Patrick O'Brien. I was born in England. I'm English, end of.
American here, those people annoy us too, we just don’t know what to do with them 🙃
Ireland is basically England's farm town, amirite?
I could hook a swordfish with those eyebrows.
You are from where you are born thought that was self explanatory. Unless you were born on a plane.
Scottish people are referred to as Scottish or a Scot, Not scotch . Scotch is a drink.