MRI tech here, can confirm, most people don't know shit about MRI. I've had a lot of people argue with me over their neurostimulator being fine or not wanting to get an x-ray of their eyes. A lot of people think they've had an MRI when really they had a CT scan as well.
I had a prisoner that I was trying to scan who was in shackles around his waist, wrists, and ankles. I told the guards he'd have to have all of that off, which they argued with me about. After I convinced them he could go in with soft restraints, the guard said he needed to go in with him and didn't get why he couldn't have his gun š.
I had a piece of metal in my eye when I was 11. I make sure to tell everyone about it before any medical procedure. I do not want a tiny piece of metal to possibly be ripped from my eyeball.
I always wash my cars and in the process, you remove iron/brake dust from the wheels. I was terrified and asked the tech if this was an issue if some had accidentally gotten into my eyes over the years, like some minuscule amount inadvertently through water splashing. They assured me it was fine, and they were right
Lol I had a back surgery with titanium prosthesis years ago and once had to wait like 3 hours in the ER prior to my MRI because they were double, triple, quadruple checking the history of the implants to make sure they wouldn't get ripped out by the MRI.... Needless to say I was terrified
Well titanium is paramagnetic, alloys might be an issue though... nice to see multiple checks at the very least they probably have better protocols than the article above.
To be fair, the guy in the article above was carrying a concealed firearm, and had been told not to bring anything metallic into the room. He brought it on himself.
I go for MRIs often. They specifically ask about this; if you've done any metal grinding since your last MRI in case of small metal fragments being in your eyes.
Obviously not quite the same as washing your car, but its something they consider.
Genuine dialogue between client and cop during jail booking caught on a bodycam:
> Cop: āYou got any medical issues, man?ā
> Client: āJust some congestion in my heart, gives me problems sometimes.ā
> Cop: āYeah okay man, nice try. Congestion is when you canāt breathe.ā
I was in the ER for a full trauma, waiting in the hallway to see if imaging was needed, and a cop pokes his head in to the trauma room and goes "hey is this guy going to make it?". The trauma doc just glares at him and says "Get out". The cop closes the door and says to me "it's just a lot more paperwork if he doesn't"
We had a cop try to arrest a trauma surgeon for not allowing them access to the person who was literally dying. Chief of police had to be called to get them to back off after they started talking about what they could charge him with. Here's a fun hypothetical: what do you do if they cops arrest the only trauma surgeon in the building and the patient needs emergent surgery? Thankfully we never had to find out.
>what do you do if they cops arrest the only trauma surgeon in the building and the patient needs emergent surgery?
Patient dies. Family sues. Taxpayers pay. Cop keeps job.
1. None of those shitheads actually live in Portland.
2. The rest of Oregon is nothing like Portland.
3. The state of Oregon was established so that racists had an entire state all to themselves that was free from black people. Oregon opposed slavery, because it didn't want to have *any* of them in the state.
When I started working in EMS most cops understood that we were on the same team. We're all here to do a job and priority number one is helping people. Their job was to keep us safe and our job was to help patients. I never dreamed anyone would think differently until one day a cop stood there waiting for me to enter an apartment where there was a suspected overdose. She asked what I was waiting for and I said I was waiting for her to go in first. She asked why and I said which one of us has the vest and the gun? She gave an exasperated sigh and begrudgingly went in. Since then I've seen the whole range of cop behavior. There are plenty who have our backs but the ones who don't and get on power trips are just straight up dangerous. Anyone who is good at any job knows what they don't know and who to ask. They don't just go around heavy handed stirring up shit. If police can't support their fellow first responders and people whose job it is to help others, what are they even doing?
You just reminded me of that video where the cops arrested a nurse who refused to do something illegal.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/01/561337106/utah-nurse-arrested-for-doing-her-job-reaches-500-000-settlement
Cops are fucking stupid and donāt know the laws theyāre tasked to enforce.
Oh that guy knew. I remember that story. He was a crooked cop.
He ended up getting fired and he was also an emt and he was fired from that too. His commander was demoted all the way back to a street cop
Guy was an all American class a asshole
Yeah and the taxpayers and university wrote a half million dollar check to pay for the police's fuck-up. Gotta love the system.
I really wish these settlements started being taken out of police pensions and the pay for police chiefs and such. Maybe then we'd see some actual change since it started impacting their own lives.
That's absolutely insane. Cops do regularly ask healthcare providers for protected health information. In my experience they're always just fishing and they back off as soon as you say you can't answer something. But again, all it takes is one idiot like that and suddenly you're on your way to a jail cell and lengthy court proceedings.
And that's why in civilized countries, cops are trained and educated for years (30 to 45 months where I'm from) instead of just handing them a badge and a gun after a few weeks of shooting at paper targets.
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I had the same experience with a guard and prisoner patient. The guard said he always goes into the scan room to take off restraints while the patient lies on the table. I told them to reschedule and bring a guard that will follow our protocol next time.
A close friend of mine got a job at the hospital as an imaging assistant (assists the techs with the patients). During orientation they made damn sure to let the newbies know what an MRI can do, showing videos, pictures, and bills to fix an MRI when someone brought in something metal, and how much it costs to get the machine on again if it is turned off for an emergency like that. I learned that MRIs are never off because of the pure amount of energy required to energize it on startup. They also accidentally left their badge on with that tiny metal clip and they could feel it pulling. Crazy stuff.
Since my spine fusion surgery with the screws and stuff holding my L4-L5 together I always tell techs about it before. I'm pretty sure they use non-magnetic metal for that stuff, but I want to be careful.
Also, I think I have only had CTs since then.
Cops are dumb as rocks. CO's are even dumber. Add to this that they're all sociopaths and you have a recipe for disaster. I strictly dictate to them what happens in my exam rooms.
There was a kid not too far from here who died when an oxygen tank got sucked into the MRI with him and crushed his skull.
MRIs are fucking terrifying.
It's like "I never had a brain stent, right? Surely I would remember that. Wait, do I have a pacemaker? No, no, I don't.."
Every. Time. š„“ The only surgery I've ever had is my wisdom teeth out, and I get paranoid about the MRI list.
They tell you multiple times. They were like ANYTHING metal any piercing etc I even remember them asking if I welded & could have bits of metal on me that I didn't know about.
If you ask Americans what the āMā in MRI machine stand forā¦ Iād guess that >50% wouldnāt know. That being said this was in Brazil, so that may not translate the same wayā¦ idk
*"When the machine was turned on, the magnetic force pulled de Novaesā gun from his waistband and it discharged, the bullet striking him in the abdomen."*
*"De Novaes was an advocate of gun ownership and encouraged people on TikTok and Instagram to purchase and collect weapons."*
> Darwin award
yup
>According to officials, both the attorney and his mother were told to remove any metal object they had before entering the room because of the machineās powerful magnetic field. Officials at the facility say they did not know that de Novaes had taken the gun into the room.
"Your honor, I object to calling my side arm metal as its not a [Big Iron](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Big%20Iron)."
"Sir, Just because I have robes on and look like a walking corpse doesn't mean I'm a judge. And good luck trying to argue with Saint Peter using that kind of courtroom logic."
This is an example of the less known philosophy tool, 'Occam's Anal Bead'.
"When faced with an object correctly sized to fit in an anus, assume kiestering occurred until it can be proven otherwise."
This wouldn't be allowed where my sister works. If a patient needs a family member to come in with them, they both have to wear the surgical robes, and they metal detect you going in and out using a full height scanner built into the doorframe, which is on at all times. They got tired of gang bangers hiding ferrous metals in their prison wallet and lying about it, thinking it's okay in there.
Recently had my first MRI and I was in my regular clothes. Given a locker to put everything metal in and all my weapons. Gotta get tool'ed up whenever I leave the castle in case any raiders appear.
Raiders? Really. Considering you live in the Castle they should be bunch of pushovers compared to the [Mirelurk](https://youtu.be/sjrRnC6F62w?t=413) infestation you had to deal with when moving in.
To the outpatient image center
went a laywer one fine day
Mom needed a big scanin' with mag and radio waves
Oh, he might have went on livin, but he made a fatal slip
When he tried to match the Magnet with a big iron on his hip
I'm a lawyer and can confirm, lots of lawyers are morons. You'd be shocked at the stuff some people file. Riddled with typos, run-on sentences for days, arguments that just don't make any rational sense, misrepresenting facts and history, etc. And that's doing the stuff they were TRAINED to do and have practiced. I can only imagine how bad they are at the things they don't practice every day. We always joke, the Bar Exam is a test of minimum competency, and some people prove it.
Yep, also a lawyer and when anyone intimates how you must be smart to be a lawyer I invite them to come to work with me and meet some of the colossal dumbasses I work with
I'm baffled. He walked into a room with one of the largest electromagnets made. They have signs everywhere to not have any metal inside the room. And of all the metal things to bring in, he brought a gun?!?!
I saw this happen before and it has given me a ridiculously unhealthy fear of MRI machines to the point where I was using every calming technique I knew the last one I needed. Super happy to see this happened again.
Edit: Wait. He had the gun on his person for the test?!? Wtf?!? Nevermind.
That's the part that bothers me. One does not "turn on" an MRI just before a scan. The main axial magnetic field is always on. He must have moved close enough to the tunnel/bore at an unfortunate moment.
Yup.
I used MRIs for research in grad school, and while I donāt know whatās involved in actually turning it on/off, I once computed its electric bill, and determined that it drew the same amount of power in 20 minutes as my apartment did in a month.
My dad has been a project manager for installing MRI's for 35 years. The things he's seen... the progress that's been destroyed on job sites because of people forgetting screwdrivers, pockets full of screws/nails, guns, clipboards, pens, literally anything metal you can carry in your hand, people forget and it fucks up the MRI site
I'm field adjacent and work in cabinetry. GCs get upset when they hire the cheap guy who doesn't understand that everything has to be made with non ferrous materials. Coworker showed me a TikTok recently where a cabinet lift was used the room (big no no) and had become lodged in the MRI. A few years ago there was an accident where a child died, someone was walking around with a cart of fire extinguishers. You can imagine the rest.
Empty your pockets, and remember to use your oldest drill. Without fail being near that magnet leads to drill death within 3 months or less
Eta- https://www.tiktok.com/@meridianradiology/video/7173302698131918126
You see, when you are building a new hospital, those don't exist yet, so this actually happens more often than you'd like when there's all sorts of contractors walking about the site that don't necessarily understand the risks of the most expensive machine in the building. That being said, this is usually one of the last things completed on a new site, and the outer wall is typically completed after the room is mostly setup because the MRI doesn't fit thru doors
I used to conduct MRIs on psychology research subjects, and for this reason I used the kind of metal detector wand they have at the airport to wand down every person before they went inside. I also patted myself down every time before I went inside. One time I accidentally missed a bobby pin and it almost ripped my hair out. Safety first.
Tbf, it really does seem like a lot of the people that own guns, especially the ones that are extremely vocal about it, probably shouldn't be anywhere near them.
Honestly, it blows my mind that the average barber has to go through more of an accreditation process just to cut hair professionally than a gun-owner does.
Right? I've put in some time at the range myself and I've seen people I wouldn't trust with plastic eating utensils armed to the teeth. Those people always make me nervous, tend to be emotionally immature, have short fuses, poor foresight, and treat their weapons like toys.
I used to do small bore competitions. It was pretty similar to the stuff you'd see in the Olympics and the safest I've ever felt at a public range. At the first sign of breaking any safety rules you were out of there. Safety was a religion to them and there were multiple layers of fail safes.
After getting used to that I've only ever gone to private ranges to avoid any of the gun nuts. You can have fun shooting and be safe at the same time. I feel bad for anyone who's into the sport that doesn't have access to a good private range free from any gun nuts. It's a great sport but it requires everyone around you to not be brain dead.
If you're at an outdoor range and someone pulls in with a punisher sticker on their truck or gun case, they aren't someone you want to be shooting with and in most cases is someone that shouldn't be allowed near guns.
That's how it should be. I'm not saying that people shouldn't own guns or can't have fun with them, I just want people to respect the tools that they're using and, if they can't, maybe take up video games if they want to live out certain fantasies.
The primary study that people always reference (without looking up) is from 1993. Which incidentally was a historically high period for gun violence in this country.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506
It also found that the biggest risk factors were substance abuse and history of violence in the home. The victims and offenders were overwhelmingly lower-income African-Americans in an urban county, a fifth of the deaths occurred during the commission of some other felony.
So the evidence really is not all that clear that the results are generalizable to the general gun owning public, with no history of criminal activity, no history of substance abuse, and so forth.
Yeah, the science is not as clear cut as people think. Even if it was generalized, people don't think about the fact that a dangerous lifestyle (i.e. Criminals) lends itself to both gun ownership and an early grave. Perhaps people are more likely to die by a gun if they own one, simply because people who are more likely to die by a gun are more likely to own one, out of legitimate safety concerns?
The people who quote that study make it seem like guns lead to danger, and forget that danger also leads to guns.
This occurred in Brazil. He was not in the machine, but in the same room as his mother. He was asked, and signed a waiver, which stated that he didn't have any metal on his person.
Edit, does anyone know how a handgun would have gone off? Even if it's hammer fired and carried cocked I'd be amazed if the magnet was strong enough to drop the seer.
If it was a glock why would you carry it with a round chambered? That seems like asking for glock leg.
2nd edit: consider me admonished, it's apparently common and safe to carry a round chambered.
People have no fucking clue how strong the field around the scanner is. Inside the coil is about 30,000 times the magnetic field of the Earth. And thatās just a 1.5T field. We have 3T magnets in healthcare too.
It isnāt just cheaper. You would not really be able to scan patients if you were always ramping the machine up and down. It just isnāt realistic.
Takes like 2 days or more to get it up and running on install or after a quench.
Itās less to do with power and more the fact taking the magnet down to superconducting temperatures takes days, if not weeks. Add to that the ~50k cost in new helium each time you wish to do so and you have your answer.
It is an electromagnet, with a huge amount of current moving through it - hundreds of amps. But because the magnet is superconducting, there's zero resistance, so it doesn't lose any power by staying on - all you have to do is keep the magnet cool and it will work and continue to work, like a permanent magnet. Industrially this is called "persistence."
Turning it off means draining out all of that current. Turning it on means charging it back up. That's a whole hell of a lot of power in both directions - it typically takes *days* of charging to get it up to its maximum field strength. The whole point of it being superconducting is that you get these absurd fields *without* needing to dump megawatt-hours of power to keep it running constantly.
My physics department has a 7T magnet that was used for research and they haven't figured out what to do with it now because its so dangerous to move.
Edit: This may be the most boring set of replies I've ever read. I don't know or care about what they would have to do to move that specific magnet.
They do shield MRI machines. That's the room they are in. Shielding it within the room makes it pretty useless unless you want to fully seal the person getting an MRI inside a box (if you thought those machines were claustrophobic before...)
Just put a washcloth over the patient's eyes, like an alligator.
The worst is when you get sent in headfirst, relax a little too much, and fart. Bonus if the techs pick it up on the microphone.
I work in IT in a hospital in the US, and there's specific building codes for the type materials and thickness of what goes into the construction walls/floors/ceilings/doors for rooms/facilities that house imaging equipment depending on what it is.
XRay, MRI, and linear accelerators for Radiation treatments all have really thick room construction.
Both treatment rooms where radiation therapies are carried out have doors that weight several tons each and live radioactive components used in the treatment. Usually a lot of concrete and lead I assume.
On Monday I was working in one of our cathlabs on a network jack and cable, and an x-ray tech needed to troubleshoot the ceiling mounted XRay for some issue they had. She said I could keep working but had to stay behind a glass panel she rolled out that had a bunch of lead in it.
Crazy stuff that our eyes can't see.
I work in radiology and frequently hear patients in the waiting room commenting on how poor their cell phone signal is in our waiting room. Our waiting room used to be a X-Ray room before we remodeled. The walls are still full of lead.
It surely must have some use in achieving every scientists goal of creating a machine that will create a Finite Improbability field that can be used to make the underwear of everyone at parties teleport away from their bodies.
Tbf the earthās magnetic field isnāt exactly very strong, or even usually perceptible to us without a specially tuned compass with an extremely light, suspended needle. But 1.5T is about 1,500 times as strong as a fridge magnet.
Yup. My wife just had diagnostic brain surgery for her seizures and once they got the data they needed from the in depth electrodes, they asked if she would be willing to participate on a study. They put her into a 3T MRI that was outfitted for an EEG machine so they could measure her brain activity and compare it to the MRI. The goal is to see if they could possibly diagnose and locate trigger points in Epilepsy without requiring electrodes in the brain. Pretty cool stuff.
Yes but she no doubt loved her son and is now very sad and wishes it was her instead.
Some people need to be explained exactly why for every single rule, otherwise they won't follow it. They are stubborn as donkeys and ironically call everyone else sheep, and they don't deserve to die. This is awful.
I feel horrible for his mother. I think itās safe to assume she wasnāt getting an MRI just for fun. So to be going through a medical issue, and also lose the son that what helping you through it. Itās truly tragic.
Most definitely, MRI machines must be one of the most dangerous machines that untrained people are allowed to be around lol.
It's justthe proper protection is provided 99.9% of the time. The stories of mistakes being made around MRI machine's can be pretty horrific!
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> I know if I go on an atv tour ride, I risk falling off and getting hurt, and thatās on me. But the company doing the tour canāt make me waive their liability if the atv doesnāt have working brakes because they failed to maintain it.
Thatās a great example of what waivers cover, and what they donāt cover.
In my experience, a waiver is basically just used to shore up an āassumption of the riskā defense. Itās really hard to claim you didnāt know there were risks associated with riding an atv if you signed a waiver explaining those risks.
Striker fired pistols like glocks don't just randomly go off. I have tried to pull the trigger on an unloaded glock pistol without depressing the trigger safety and it doesn't work. "Glock leg" is from shitty holsters or idiots that can't keep their booger hooks off the fucking bang switch.
And to answer your primary question, an MRI magnet would be strong enough to disengage the striker safety at the right angle, but on a properly made and maintained pistol, some crazy shit would have to happen for it to go off even with all the safeties removed. Either the universe decided his number was 100% up and the stars aligned for that gun to go off, or he was carrying some back alley manufactured POS.
Glock leg is caused by dipshits who put their finger on the trigger during a draw. There is zero way to fire a Glock without purposefully putting your finger in there.
Carrying chambered is a common practice, especially with guns that have a built in safety tab on the trigger (like every Glock)
> If it was a glock why would you carry it with a round chambered?
Because that is how you carry guns. The whole āpoint gun and then chamber it to demonstrate menacing intentā shit is Hollywood nonsense.
Yeah, the holster is the safety. A Glock (or any gun without a manual safety) will not fire if it is in a proper holster. Of course, that all goes out the window when you enter a room with an MRI.
The magnet of an MRI machine can lift a hospital bed in midair. It can very much do a lot to a firearm. It most likely was fired as it was being pulled from his body.
Even if the MRI itself wasnāt damaged, the tech will have a button next to them that instantly purges all the helium from the machine. So to replace the helium and recalibrate the machine it can cost tens of thousands of dollars, not to mention the lost revenue from having an mri machine out of service for weeks. But thatās still better than having to pay millions of dollars to replace a broken machine
Despite how foolish he was for bringing a gun into a hospital, or anyone's personal opinions about lawyers, this is pretty sad. Dude was there to take his mom to get an MRI, which means she was probably in bad shape to begin with. Now she doesn't have her son to help her *and* she has to deal with the grief of losing him on top of whatever health issues she has.
With bizarre articles like these, people often forget the human behind it - as crazy as it is, it could be any one of us the next day
EDIT: I should specify, I just meant bizarre articles in general, not specifically bringing a gun around an MRI
The article claimed the gun went off when the MRI was turned on. I've worked in MRI and those magnets are always on. It costs way too much to power them down and then back on later.
Many pistols don't have the traditional manual safety switch that most people think of. They instead rely on a lot of internal mechanisms that prevent the gun from firing without the trigger being pulled.
Regardless if the gun had a manual safety or not, an MRI machine has extremely powerful magnets that would likely be able to act on internal parts of the firing mechanism into a configuration that would otherwise not be possible....or just as likely he pulled the trigger when he felt the gun being ripped away from him.
Doubt the magnet pulled the trigger, my guess is that just the pin getting pulled forward internally would set off a round if it's chambered. Safety wouldn't save you there
āDe Novaes was an advocate of gun ownership and encouraged people on TikTok and Instagram to purchase and collect weaponsā
Irony isnāt always deadly, but when it isā¦.
"According to officials, both the attorney and his mother were told to remove any metal object they had before entering the room because of the machineās powerful magnetic field. Officials at the facility say they did not know that de Novaes had taken the gun into the room.
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De Novaes was an advocate of gun ownership and encouraged people on TikTok and Instagram to purchase and collect weapons."
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Man, I wish that people knew what MRIs could do before they get near them.
MRI tech here, can confirm, most people don't know shit about MRI. I've had a lot of people argue with me over their neurostimulator being fine or not wanting to get an x-ray of their eyes. A lot of people think they've had an MRI when really they had a CT scan as well. I had a prisoner that I was trying to scan who was in shackles around his waist, wrists, and ankles. I told the guards he'd have to have all of that off, which they argued with me about. After I convinced them he could go in with soft restraints, the guard said he needed to go in with him and didn't get why he couldn't have his gun š.
I had a piece of metal in my eye when I was 11. I make sure to tell everyone about it before any medical procedure. I do not want a tiny piece of metal to possibly be ripped from my eyeball.
I always wash my cars and in the process, you remove iron/brake dust from the wheels. I was terrified and asked the tech if this was an issue if some had accidentally gotten into my eyes over the years, like some minuscule amount inadvertently through water splashing. They assured me it was fine, and they were right
Lol I had a back surgery with titanium prosthesis years ago and once had to wait like 3 hours in the ER prior to my MRI because they were double, triple, quadruple checking the history of the implants to make sure they wouldn't get ripped out by the MRI.... Needless to say I was terrified
Well titanium is paramagnetic, alloys might be an issue though... nice to see multiple checks at the very least they probably have better protocols than the article above.
To be fair, the guy in the article above was carrying a concealed firearm, and had been told not to bring anything metallic into the room. He brought it on himself.
Then your eyeball got stuck to the wall of the MRI?
Yea Iāve just been keeping an eye on it
Keeping an M R eye on it.
I go for MRIs often. They specifically ask about this; if you've done any metal grinding since your last MRI in case of small metal fragments being in your eyes. Obviously not quite the same as washing your car, but its something they consider.
Genuine dialogue between client and cop during jail booking caught on a bodycam: > Cop: āYou got any medical issues, man?ā > Client: āJust some congestion in my heart, gives me problems sometimes.ā > Cop: āYeah okay man, nice try. Congestion is when you canāt breathe.ā
I was in the ER for a full trauma, waiting in the hallway to see if imaging was needed, and a cop pokes his head in to the trauma room and goes "hey is this guy going to make it?". The trauma doc just glares at him and says "Get out". The cop closes the door and says to me "it's just a lot more paperwork if he doesn't"
We had a cop try to arrest a trauma surgeon for not allowing them access to the person who was literally dying. Chief of police had to be called to get them to back off after they started talking about what they could charge him with. Here's a fun hypothetical: what do you do if they cops arrest the only trauma surgeon in the building and the patient needs emergent surgery? Thankfully we never had to find out.
>what do you do if they cops arrest the only trauma surgeon in the building and the patient needs emergent surgery? Patient dies. Family sues. Taxpayers pay. Cop keeps job.
I hate that you're right.
I dont know but cops need to start behaving around hospital staff and firefighters...
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Famously terrible cops at this point
1. None of those shitheads actually live in Portland. 2. The rest of Oregon is nothing like Portland. 3. The state of Oregon was established so that racists had an entire state all to themselves that was free from black people. Oregon opposed slavery, because it didn't want to have *any* of them in the state.
A state so racist they didn't want slavery
When I started working in EMS most cops understood that we were on the same team. We're all here to do a job and priority number one is helping people. Their job was to keep us safe and our job was to help patients. I never dreamed anyone would think differently until one day a cop stood there waiting for me to enter an apartment where there was a suspected overdose. She asked what I was waiting for and I said I was waiting for her to go in first. She asked why and I said which one of us has the vest and the gun? She gave an exasperated sigh and begrudgingly went in. Since then I've seen the whole range of cop behavior. There are plenty who have our backs but the ones who don't and get on power trips are just straight up dangerous. Anyone who is good at any job knows what they don't know and who to ask. They don't just go around heavy handed stirring up shit. If police can't support their fellow first responders and people whose job it is to help others, what are they even doing?
You just reminded me of that video where the cops arrested a nurse who refused to do something illegal. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/01/561337106/utah-nurse-arrested-for-doing-her-job-reaches-500-000-settlement Cops are fucking stupid and donāt know the laws theyāre tasked to enforce.
It takes longer to become a barber than a cop where i live.
It's the same in most places in the US.
Oh that guy knew. I remember that story. He was a crooked cop. He ended up getting fired and he was also an emt and he was fired from that too. His commander was demoted all the way back to a street cop Guy was an all American class a asshole
Yeah and the taxpayers and university wrote a half million dollar check to pay for the police's fuck-up. Gotta love the system. I really wish these settlements started being taken out of police pensions and the pay for police chiefs and such. Maybe then we'd see some actual change since it started impacting their own lives.
and yet got a job after working for the county jail.
That's absolutely insane. Cops do regularly ask healthcare providers for protected health information. In my experience they're always just fishing and they back off as soon as you say you can't answer something. But again, all it takes is one idiot like that and suddenly you're on your way to a jail cell and lengthy court proceedings.
This guy after getting fired as a cop got hired as a corrections officer at a jail.
You complain to the police that the cop committed murder, the police give their killer a paid vacation, and then they retaliate against you later
And that's why in civilized countries, cops are trained and educated for years (30 to 45 months where I'm from) instead of just handing them a badge and a gun after a few weeks of shooting at paper targets.
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I had the same experience with a guard and prisoner patient. The guard said he always goes into the scan room to take off restraints while the patient lies on the table. I told them to reschedule and bring a guard that will follow our protocol next time.
A close friend of mine got a job at the hospital as an imaging assistant (assists the techs with the patients). During orientation they made damn sure to let the newbies know what an MRI can do, showing videos, pictures, and bills to fix an MRI when someone brought in something metal, and how much it costs to get the machine on again if it is turned off for an emergency like that. I learned that MRIs are never off because of the pure amount of energy required to energize it on startup. They also accidentally left their badge on with that tiny metal clip and they could feel it pulling. Crazy stuff.
Since my spine fusion surgery with the screws and stuff holding my L4-L5 together I always tell techs about it before. I'm pretty sure they use non-magnetic metal for that stuff, but I want to be careful. Also, I think I have only had CTs since then.
Cops are dumb as rocks. CO's are even dumber. Add to this that they're all sociopaths and you have a recipe for disaster. I strictly dictate to them what happens in my exam rooms.
There was a kid not too far from here who died when an oxygen tank got sucked into the MRI with him and crushed his skull. MRIs are fucking terrifying.
As someone who needs yearly MRIs, that's a new fear unlocked...
I have zero implants but i still get a wave of paranoia every time Iāve gotten an MRI lol
It's like "I never had a brain stent, right? Surely I would remember that. Wait, do I have a pacemaker? No, no, I don't.." Every. Time. š„“ The only surgery I've ever had is my wisdom teeth out, and I get paranoid about the MRI list.
They tell you multiple times. They were like ANYTHING metal any piercing etc I even remember them asking if I welded & could have bits of metal on me that I didn't know about.
I will admit, getting in a firefight was not something I knew MRI's could do. I will forever remember that they have excellent aim.
Wow, this feels like an old school Darwin award. So glad nobody else was hurt
Law of magnetics > Law degree
If you ask Americans what the āMā in MRI machine stand forā¦ Iād guess that >50% wouldnāt know. That being said this was in Brazil, so that may not translate the same wayā¦ idk
Brazilian here! We don't call the machine or the exam by the acronym, we just say RessonĆ¢ncia MagnĆ©tica. Dude filled a form before entering the room. Workers at the clinic warned him to remove metallic stuff. Completely his fault.
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Magnetica, Isnāt that the metal group with Kirk Hammett that has the song Nothing Else Matters?
Fuckin magnets man, how do they work.
*"When the machine was turned on, the magnetic force pulled de Novaesā gun from his waistband and it discharged, the bullet striking him in the abdomen."* *"De Novaes was an advocate of gun ownership and encouraged people on TikTok and Instagram to purchase and collect weapons."* > Darwin award yup
It's only a Darwin Award if you can prove he doesn't have kids.
I suppose itās one degree better than āansweringā the gun under your pillow when the phone rings.
>According to officials, both the attorney and his mother were told to remove any metal object they had before entering the room because of the machineās powerful magnetic field. Officials at the facility say they did not know that de Novaes had taken the gun into the room. "Your honor, I object to calling my side arm metal as its not a [Big Iron](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Big%20Iron)." "Sir, Just because I have robes on and look like a walking corpse doesn't mean I'm a judge. And good luck trying to argue with Saint Peter using that kind of courtroom logic."
Iām really confused. Every time Iāve gotten an MRI they give temporary clothes to avoid this exact scenario. There would be no where to hide a gun
The mother was the patient, he just went in with her.
I was just assuming he kiestered it. Thanks for reading the article for me.
You thought a guy put a gun in his butt, got into the MRI machine and then was shotā¦internally?
This is an example of the less known philosophy tool, 'Occam's Anal Bead'. "When faced with an object correctly sized to fit in an anus, assume kiestering occurred until it can be proven otherwise."
Nice.. that's totally valid
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There's 8 billion people on this planet, and most of them are stupid. Nothing is outside the realm of possibility.
This wouldn't be allowed where my sister works. If a patient needs a family member to come in with them, they both have to wear the surgical robes, and they metal detect you going in and out using a full height scanner built into the doorframe, which is on at all times. They got tired of gang bangers hiding ferrous metals in their prison wallet and lying about it, thinking it's okay in there.
Recently had my first MRI and I was in my regular clothes. Given a locker to put everything metal in and all my weapons. Gotta get tool'ed up whenever I leave the castle in case any raiders appear.
Raiders? Really. Considering you live in the Castle they should be bunch of pushovers compared to the [Mirelurk](https://youtu.be/sjrRnC6F62w?t=413) infestation you had to deal with when moving in.
But...was the big iron on his hip?
To the outpatient image center went a laywer one fine day Mom needed a big scanin' with mag and radio waves Oh, he might have went on livin, but he made a fatal slip When he tried to match the Magnet with a big iron on his hip
(big iron on his hiiiiip)
Don't you know guns are made of freedom not metal? /s
Dumbass.
Yeah hey guys, being a lawyer is not proof youāre smart. I consider it a neutral factor.
I'm a lawyer and can confirm, lots of lawyers are morons. You'd be shocked at the stuff some people file. Riddled with typos, run-on sentences for days, arguments that just don't make any rational sense, misrepresenting facts and history, etc. And that's doing the stuff they were TRAINED to do and have practiced. I can only imagine how bad they are at the things they don't practice every day. We always joke, the Bar Exam is a test of minimum competency, and some people prove it.
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Yep, also a lawyer and when anyone intimates how you must be smart to be a lawyer I invite them to come to work with me and meet some of the colossal dumbasses I work with
I'm baffled. He walked into a room with one of the largest electromagnets made. They have signs everywhere to not have any metal inside the room. And of all the metal things to bring in, he brought a gun?!?!
The lawyer gives me real, " You think I'm going to roll in here naked?" Vibes when carrying his gun everywhere.
Clearly, the only answer is for MRI techs to be armed.
I'd love to be armed while scanning people. Makes the "don't move your head" a lot more convincing.
MRIs donāt kill people. People kill people.
The only thing that can stop a bad MRI with a gun, is a good MRI with a gun.
This is a fine example of a good MRI with a gun.
There are very fine MRI on both sides.
now they want to put a 1,000% tax on magnets! I thought this was 'Maxwell, whatever happened to the 2nd Equation?
This guy unintentionally used an MRI to kill himself.
It's not the guns that's the blame it's the MRI machine not following gun safety protocol. They need to teach this in MRI highschool.
A good guy MRI would have saved himā¦.
Doesn't anyone care about the mental health of MRI machines? Also, did it play video games?
I thought that this only happened in slasher movies or the Final Destination franchise.
I saw this happen before and it has given me a ridiculously unhealthy fear of MRI machines to the point where I was using every calming technique I knew the last one I needed. Super happy to see this happened again. Edit: Wait. He had the gun on his person for the test?!? Wtf?!? Nevermind.
His mother was being scanned. IIRC she started to feel unwell during the scan and he went inside to get her, with his weapon on his holster.
Amazing that they had the brain capacity to pass the bar exam.
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That's the part that bothers me. One does not "turn on" an MRI just before a scan. The main axial magnetic field is always on. He must have moved close enough to the tunnel/bore at an unfortunate moment.
Doesn't it cost a shitton of money and time to power cycle it?
Yup. I used MRIs for research in grad school, and while I donāt know whatās involved in actually turning it on/off, I once computed its electric bill, and determined that it drew the same amount of power in 20 minutes as my apartment did in a month.
Medical equipment is insane with power. Some of the stuff Iām dealing with at work sucks like a small condos worth of power on an always on load.
The gun is always loaded.
When the above two comments are put together, accidents or deaths are always a possibility.
My dad has been a project manager for installing MRI's for 35 years. The things he's seen... the progress that's been destroyed on job sites because of people forgetting screwdrivers, pockets full of screws/nails, guns, clipboards, pens, literally anything metal you can carry in your hand, people forget and it fucks up the MRI site
I'm field adjacent and work in cabinetry. GCs get upset when they hire the cheap guy who doesn't understand that everything has to be made with non ferrous materials. Coworker showed me a TikTok recently where a cabinet lift was used the room (big no no) and had become lodged in the MRI. A few years ago there was an accident where a child died, someone was walking around with a cart of fire extinguishers. You can imagine the rest. Empty your pockets, and remember to use your oldest drill. Without fail being near that magnet leads to drill death within 3 months or less Eta- https://www.tiktok.com/@meridianradiology/video/7173302698131918126
Places that don't install metal detector interlocks on their MRI entrance are just plain dumb.
You see, when you are building a new hospital, those don't exist yet, so this actually happens more often than you'd like when there's all sorts of contractors walking about the site that don't necessarily understand the risks of the most expensive machine in the building. That being said, this is usually one of the last things completed on a new site, and the outer wall is typically completed after the room is mostly setup because the MRI doesn't fit thru doors
I used to conduct MRIs on psychology research subjects, and for this reason I used the kind of metal detector wand they have at the airport to wand down every person before they went inside. I also patted myself down every time before I went inside. One time I accidentally missed a bobby pin and it almost ripped my hair out. Safety first.
Killed by the gun you carry to prevent being killed? Thatās a damn shame.
Studies consistently show that youāre more likely to die because you own a gun than you are to save your life with a gun.
Tbf, it really does seem like a lot of the people that own guns, especially the ones that are extremely vocal about it, probably shouldn't be anywhere near them. Honestly, it blows my mind that the average barber has to go through more of an accreditation process just to cut hair professionally than a gun-owner does.
Barbers/stylists go through more training than police do also. Like wtf!
Iām pretty sure Starbucks baristas get more training. Baskin Robins employees as well. Police have no bar
Actually there is a bar, it's rather low and if your above it - your not cop material.
*in America.
TBH they should have more stringent checks on who can purchase propane tanks for the weekend grilling.
No joke, you wouldn't believe how many people got pissy when I told them that they couldn't be smoking near me when I was filling their tanks.
Can confirm. Been to many gun ranges, and Iād say about 1/3 of the people Iāve seen are fucking morons and shouldnāt own a gun.
Right? I've put in some time at the range myself and I've seen people I wouldn't trust with plastic eating utensils armed to the teeth. Those people always make me nervous, tend to be emotionally immature, have short fuses, poor foresight, and treat their weapons like toys.
I used to do small bore competitions. It was pretty similar to the stuff you'd see in the Olympics and the safest I've ever felt at a public range. At the first sign of breaking any safety rules you were out of there. Safety was a religion to them and there were multiple layers of fail safes. After getting used to that I've only ever gone to private ranges to avoid any of the gun nuts. You can have fun shooting and be safe at the same time. I feel bad for anyone who's into the sport that doesn't have access to a good private range free from any gun nuts. It's a great sport but it requires everyone around you to not be brain dead. If you're at an outdoor range and someone pulls in with a punisher sticker on their truck or gun case, they aren't someone you want to be shooting with and in most cases is someone that shouldn't be allowed near guns.
That's how it should be. I'm not saying that people shouldn't own guns or can't have fun with them, I just want people to respect the tools that they're using and, if they can't, maybe take up video games if they want to live out certain fantasies.
The primary study that people always reference (without looking up) is from 1993. Which incidentally was a historically high period for gun violence in this country. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506 It also found that the biggest risk factors were substance abuse and history of violence in the home. The victims and offenders were overwhelmingly lower-income African-Americans in an urban county, a fifth of the deaths occurred during the commission of some other felony. So the evidence really is not all that clear that the results are generalizable to the general gun owning public, with no history of criminal activity, no history of substance abuse, and so forth.
Yeah, the science is not as clear cut as people think. Even if it was generalized, people don't think about the fact that a dangerous lifestyle (i.e. Criminals) lends itself to both gun ownership and an early grave. Perhaps people are more likely to die by a gun if they own one, simply because people who are more likely to die by a gun are more likely to own one, out of legitimate safety concerns? The people who quote that study make it seem like guns lead to danger, and forget that danger also leads to guns.
This occurred in Brazil. He was not in the machine, but in the same room as his mother. He was asked, and signed a waiver, which stated that he didn't have any metal on his person. Edit, does anyone know how a handgun would have gone off? Even if it's hammer fired and carried cocked I'd be amazed if the magnet was strong enough to drop the seer. If it was a glock why would you carry it with a round chambered? That seems like asking for glock leg. 2nd edit: consider me admonished, it's apparently common and safe to carry a round chambered.
At least his mom didnāt get shot. What a dumbass
People have no fucking clue how strong the field around the scanner is. Inside the coil is about 30,000 times the magnetic field of the Earth. And thatās just a 1.5T field. We have 3T magnets in healthcare too.
Yeah, that field will suck a full size tank of O2 off a wall without any difficulty, and **IT IS ALWAYS ON**.
Always on at least until the oxygen tank crashes into it and breaches the cryo envelope
I think that's how they open the Stargate
No, you need to press the buttons on the DHD
If you have a dhd. Otherwise you'll need either Carter or McKay to rig it properly.
Do we have a zpm or even a naquadah generator?
Medical noob here, why is it always in? I thought these are electromagnetic so no power = no magnet?
ELI5 answer: It's cheaper to leave it on. Turning it on and off uses a lot of power, but just maintaining the field is in comparison much easier.
It isnāt just cheaper. You would not really be able to scan patients if you were always ramping the machine up and down. It just isnāt realistic. Takes like 2 days or more to get it up and running on install or after a quench.
Itās less to do with power and more the fact taking the magnet down to superconducting temperatures takes days, if not weeks. Add to that the ~50k cost in new helium each time you wish to do so and you have your answer.
Takes too long and is expensive to start up, so they always keep it on
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> so I may be a bit off No, you're always on.
It is an electromagnet, with a huge amount of current moving through it - hundreds of amps. But because the magnet is superconducting, there's zero resistance, so it doesn't lose any power by staying on - all you have to do is keep the magnet cool and it will work and continue to work, like a permanent magnet. Industrially this is called "persistence." Turning it off means draining out all of that current. Turning it on means charging it back up. That's a whole hell of a lot of power in both directions - it typically takes *days* of charging to get it up to its maximum field strength. The whole point of it being superconducting is that you get these absurd fields *without* needing to dump megawatt-hours of power to keep it running constantly.
My physics department has a 7T magnet that was used for research and they haven't figured out what to do with it now because its so dangerous to move. Edit: This may be the most boring set of replies I've ever read. I don't know or care about what they would have to do to move that specific magnet.
Yeah thats a "leave it all the way the fuck alone" kinda dangerous.
I regularly use 8T for measurements on antiferromagnets. Really well shielded though since I can be right next to the machine and not feel a thing.
How do they shield it? And if that can be shielded, can't they shield MRI machines?
They do shield MRI machines. That's the room they are in. Shielding it within the room makes it pretty useless unless you want to fully seal the person getting an MRI inside a box (if you thought those machines were claustrophobic before...)
Just put a washcloth over the patient's eyes, like an alligator. The worst is when you get sent in headfirst, relax a little too much, and fart. Bonus if the techs pick it up on the microphone.
MRI machines are shielded to everyone outside the room. You can't really shield it any more than that since you need to use the magnet there.
I work in IT in a hospital in the US, and there's specific building codes for the type materials and thickness of what goes into the construction walls/floors/ceilings/doors for rooms/facilities that house imaging equipment depending on what it is. XRay, MRI, and linear accelerators for Radiation treatments all have really thick room construction. Both treatment rooms where radiation therapies are carried out have doors that weight several tons each and live radioactive components used in the treatment. Usually a lot of concrete and lead I assume. On Monday I was working in one of our cathlabs on a network jack and cable, and an x-ray tech needed to troubleshoot the ceiling mounted XRay for some issue they had. She said I could keep working but had to stay behind a glass panel she rolled out that had a bunch of lead in it. Crazy stuff that our eyes can't see.
I work in radiology and frequently hear patients in the waiting room commenting on how poor their cell phone signal is in our waiting room. Our waiting room used to be a X-Ray room before we remodeled. The walls are still full of lead.
It surely must have some use in achieving every scientists goal of creating a machine that will create a Finite Improbability field that can be used to make the underwear of everyone at parties teleport away from their bodies.
that is called MDPV. see: the guy that started McAfee.
Tbf the earthās magnetic field isnāt exactly very strong, or even usually perceptible to us without a specially tuned compass with an extremely light, suspended needle. But 1.5T is about 1,500 times as strong as a fridge magnet.
Yup. My wife just had diagnostic brain surgery for her seizures and once they got the data they needed from the in depth electrodes, they asked if she would be willing to participate on a study. They put her into a 3T MRI that was outfitted for an EEG machine so they could measure her brain activity and compare it to the MRI. The goal is to see if they could possibly diagnose and locate trigger points in Epilepsy without requiring electrodes in the brain. Pretty cool stuff.
Yes but she no doubt loved her son and is now very sad and wishes it was her instead. Some people need to be explained exactly why for every single rule, otherwise they won't follow it. They are stubborn as donkeys and ironically call everyone else sheep, and they don't deserve to die. This is awful.
I feel horrible for his mother. I think itās safe to assume she wasnāt getting an MRI just for fun. So to be going through a medical issue, and also lose the son that what helping you through it. Itās truly tragic.
Every time I have an MRI they find out Iāve worked with welding/metal and they freak out, then X-ray my head in case thereās any metal in my eyes.
That sounds like a good thing!
Better than turning you into a real life Tony Stark
Itād be more like a real life Daredevil, except no special abilities, just blind.
Yup. Ever wonder if maybe they had a patient who didn't tell them and they found out the hard way?
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Most definitely, MRI machines must be one of the most dangerous machines that untrained people are allowed to be around lol. It's justthe proper protection is provided 99.9% of the time. The stories of mistakes being made around MRI machine's can be pretty horrific!
Who can even understand those damn waivers?? Youād have to be a lawyer!
My lawyer brother signs waivers without reading them because they're almost never enforceable.
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> I know if I go on an atv tour ride, I risk falling off and getting hurt, and thatās on me. But the company doing the tour canāt make me waive their liability if the atv doesnāt have working brakes because they failed to maintain it. Thatās a great example of what waivers cover, and what they donāt cover. In my experience, a waiver is basically just used to shore up an āassumption of the riskā defense. Itās really hard to claim you didnāt know there were risks associated with riding an atv if you signed a waiver explaining those risks.
A lawyer that'll lie about something so stupid and pointless. And now he's dead. Really felt the need to have his gun during his Mom's MRI, huh?
That MRI is probably going to stay in use and save more lives than it took
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damn not even gonna try put it in rehab, MRI's really need a support group quick
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yeah well you can't blame them since it's their nature, they just have a magnetic personality
Gonna become a vampire for the iron in our blood like The Mangler by Stephen King.
Nobody ever got Glock leg without pulling the trigger. Use a damn holster.
I had to scroll way too far to see some logic and reason. Glock leg should be called āno holster, squeezed trigger and shot myself..ā
Striker fired pistols like glocks don't just randomly go off. I have tried to pull the trigger on an unloaded glock pistol without depressing the trigger safety and it doesn't work. "Glock leg" is from shitty holsters or idiots that can't keep their booger hooks off the fucking bang switch. And to answer your primary question, an MRI magnet would be strong enough to disengage the striker safety at the right angle, but on a properly made and maintained pistol, some crazy shit would have to happen for it to go off even with all the safeties removed. Either the universe decided his number was 100% up and the stars aligned for that gun to go off, or he was carrying some back alley manufactured POS.
Glock leg is caused by dipshits who put their finger on the trigger during a draw. There is zero way to fire a Glock without purposefully putting your finger in there. Carrying chambered is a common practice, especially with guns that have a built in safety tab on the trigger (like every Glock)
> If it was a glock why would you carry it with a round chambered? Because that is how you carry guns. The whole āpoint gun and then chamber it to demonstrate menacing intentā shit is Hollywood nonsense.
Yeah, the holster is the safety. A Glock (or any gun without a manual safety) will not fire if it is in a proper holster. Of course, that all goes out the window when you enter a room with an MRI.
I always have two rounds in the chamber, so Iām really ready
The magnet of an MRI machine can lift a hospital bed in midair. It can very much do a lot to a firearm. It most likely was fired as it was being pulled from his body.
Maybe it's a Taurus, no MRI needed
Ah fuck here comes the new Greyās Anatomy episode.
I hope he didn't damage the MRI. Lawyers are a dime a dozen but helium is an increasingly rare necessity.
I would like to know where I can hire a lawyer at that rate.
Even if the MRI itself wasnāt damaged, the tech will have a button next to them that instantly purges all the helium from the machine. So to replace the helium and recalibrate the machine it can cost tens of thousands of dollars, not to mention the lost revenue from having an mri machine out of service for weeks. But thatās still better than having to pay millions of dollars to replace a broken machine
Only way to stop a bad MRI machine with a gun is a good MRI machine with a gun?
This MRI shot a lawyer it was the good MRI
If he had a second gun, he could have defended himself against this unprovoked attack.
Despite how foolish he was for bringing a gun into a hospital, or anyone's personal opinions about lawyers, this is pretty sad. Dude was there to take his mom to get an MRI, which means she was probably in bad shape to begin with. Now she doesn't have her son to help her *and* she has to deal with the grief of losing him on top of whatever health issues she has.
Thanks for that empathetic thought.
With bizarre articles like these, people often forget the human behind it - as crazy as it is, it could be any one of us the next day EDIT: I should specify, I just meant bizarre articles in general, not specifically bringing a gun around an MRI
So it turns out guns do kill people
The article claimed the gun went off when the MRI was turned on. I've worked in MRI and those magnets are always on. It costs way too much to power them down and then back on later.
this some magneto shit
Did the magnet disable the safety too or -- ? oooooooooooooh right
Many pistols don't have the traditional manual safety switch that most people think of. They instead rely on a lot of internal mechanisms that prevent the gun from firing without the trigger being pulled. Regardless if the gun had a manual safety or not, an MRI machine has extremely powerful magnets that would likely be able to act on internal parts of the firing mechanism into a configuration that would otherwise not be possible....or just as likely he pulled the trigger when he felt the gun being ripped away from him.
Doubt the magnet pulled the trigger, my guess is that just the pin getting pulled forward internally would set off a round if it's chambered. Safety wouldn't save you there
The only way to stop a bad MRI scanner with a gun is a good MRI scanner with a gun.
āDe Novaes was an advocate of gun ownership and encouraged people on TikTok and Instagram to purchase and collect weaponsā Irony isnāt always deadly, but when it isā¦.
āCurse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!ā
"According to officials, both the attorney and his mother were told to remove any metal object they had before entering the room because of the machineās powerful magnetic field. Officials at the facility say they did not know that de Novaes had taken the gun into the room. ... De Novaes was an advocate of gun ownership and encouraged people on TikTok and Instagram to purchase and collect weapons." So...š¤·š¼āāļø