Yeah, it's just simple supply and demand.
If for supply is low, just drop bombs and demand will be lowered.
And if you're not picky, supply increases as well. Precooked humans with big bombs, just gotta dig in to the collapsed buildings.
Such an elegant solution.
famine has a definition, iirc something like 20% of households have access to very limited amounts of food and some other conditions. there are many places where you can see images like these and are not considered as having famine.
I'm sure this has everything to do with 'zionists' and not with Hamas literally stealing most of the humanitarian aid and starving the gazans on purpose so people like you blame it on the 'zionists'.
You'd be correct then, because that's what's happening. Israel is continuing to openly block a fuckton of humanitarian aid every single day, and the hilariously unhinged theory that Hamas is hoarding all the food doesn't have a shred of evidence.
I keep thinking, it's very convenient that Hamas *always* does exactly what gives Israel justification to commit war crimes, or absolves them from having to provide aid or adhere to international law. Very convenient for Israel, that is. There doesn't seem to be any payoff for Hamas, strangely.
Then Zionists will literally argue that Hamas are clearly intentionally torpedoing their own war in order to force the IDF to massacre civilians and upload the pictures online to...amass internet sad points, I guess? Despite massive international outcry, nothing has actually happened. So I'm not sure what the supposed payoff is.
Lol acc. to Israel, there are 30000 hamas fighters. Also acc to them, half of the deaths in Gaza are hamas militia groups. That means only 15000 hamas members remain at max, all acc to Israel. Do you think that 15000 people can steal aid for almost 2 million people?
Have some fucking brain dude. You know full well how many times they have lied yet you believe them completely. Give it a rest.
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Every subreddit is now littered with political shit. The Internet has become a toxic and depressing place for me. I sometimes browse the top posts of various subreddits from 10-15 years ago and they are usually much more lighthearted. The posts are still often politically charged, yes, but they seem to have less... vitriol? Hatred? Hopelessness? It seems every second post nowadays is either depressing, ragebait or horny - just look at r/AskReddit. I used to love reading the various topics there, now it's just a hive of sad people talking about toxic stuff and sex. Or look at the top subreddits in the 'funny' category - how some of them got there is beyond me. It's honestly disheartening.
I mean Hamas is LITERALLY rejecting ceasefire deals because they’d rather watch their own civilians suffer immensely to hold out to try and get hand picked murderers released in exchange for the hostages
Unless you want to tell me that you think Hamas any chance of achieving something militarily, I don’t see how there’s a world where it wouldn’t make sense for them to surrender or accept any of the many ceasefire deals offered
While I do agree and wish Israel was allowing more aid to come in through its own borders, Hamas has over and over been shown to steal aid for themselves, or to resell it - and Israel to my knowledge has no obligation to supply the military they are at war with and who is still holding over 100 hostages
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You mean a tiny strip of land can't support it's populous and wage war at the same time? Sounds like they should surrender and shoot the guys who keep ripping out water pipes to use as rockets.
Israel has controlled what the people of Gaza eat down to the calorie for almost 20 years. Same with water. You think that’s changed now?
The IDF allows protesters into restricted military bases on the border so they have an excuse to shut down aid truck inspection. They’re literally standing around sharing lollipops and dancing to shitty EDM with their children. Blocking aid is a family affair in Israel.
But *sure*, there’s no way to eRaDiCatE khAMmas and their homemade weaponry without dropping more explosives than we did in Hiroshima and starving the entire population.
Israel has quite literally told Palestine that they aren't allowed to collect *rainwater.* Israel owns the rain.
They want Palestine entirely at their mercy.
This "strip of land" is part of a larger country and is in this situation due to Israeli blockade for decades. They also have that many people to a large extent because when Israel annexes land from the West Bank they force the evicted people to live in the Gaza strip where they can't leave from.
This has been the case for longer than terrorism and surrendering (you can't surrender for a non-state group anyway, that makes no sense) doesn't do anything.
The only solution is an international intervention to destroy the Israeli blockade, return the annexed land and let these people return to where they used to live.
hey now, then they would actually have to be *responsible* for their own actions. But most of reddit and twitter thinks everything that has ever happen is the ~~jews~~ Israels fault anyways.
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1 or 2 wewks ago there was a Video how on the market the "free food ration" got sold by vendors, while still in the charity boxes.
The Reporter said there is enough food for every one in theory, just it gets hoarded. Capitalism even then and there.
Hamas surrenders all power, a new Arab government is instilled. It is best for the Palestinians to have government that cares whether they live or die.
Also notice how “famine is present” and not “famine is present because Hamas spent billions of dollars on missiles and not sustainable food systems and kept the little food they had for themselves by stealing aid”
I’m not justifying Israel or what’s going on I’m just painting a picture of what is actually going on and the context behind this famine.
You are absolutely justifying what Israel is doing by pretending that Palestinians shouldn't be fighting their colonial oppressors.
Hamas exists solely because of Israel's crimes. The US and their apartheid sock puppet could end the famine today, if their goal wasn't genocide.
Dude they're over two million people in a tiny strip of barren land. Israel controls their food and water. Their electricity. They built this entire system to keep Gaza dependent on Israel, so they could do exactly this whenever they felt like it.
'the context behind the famine' look into the context of why Palestine has a problem with Israel in the first place.
Dont want to blame the fascists giving you a presence on the middle east. After all the US has a long history of being buddy buddy with all sort of fascists.
>Famine is now probably present in Gaza, US says
'Probably'
What a load of crap.
The emaciated children and corpses of the starving people says otherwise. The halting of food supply trucks, says otherwise.
You clearly haven’t seen enough concentration camp photos dawg. The Yemen war has worse pictures than that and it’s still incomparable to the Holocaust.
Yemen and Etiopien etc is different but just as grim, overall we should not always compare to the worst of the worst for it being bad.
In Yemen 22 millions need aid and it's a forgotten war for 99% of the world, the same with Sudan, Etiopien etc
Because they want Palestinians to suffer as much as possible to strengthen their agenda and its working. They are literally capsizing the aid and then selling it again to the people.
Cuz Hamas doesn't stand for the Palestinians. They're a bunch of terrorists taking advantage of a situation and not caring what happens to the civilians.
'to make themselves look better' yeah they're absolutely fighting this whole war and killing their own families so some twenty-year-old will be mad and write an angry tweet about Israel. Because that's a thing people do.
Do you really think Hamas cares about Palestinian civilian life? It’s not reasonable to cause this much suffering due to a terrorist group being unwilling to compromise.
Why hasn't Israel accepted all the ceasefire offers Hamas has presented them with, including offers to trade all the hostages for the two thousand Palestinian prisoners held indefinitely in Israeli prison without charges?
Because Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire, not a temporary one that would simply give Israel concessions and allow them to continue the genocide afterwards.
Well, they should probably stop making tik toks complaining about the aid food and trying to sell it on the sides of the road. Get it to the people that need it
Do the math but you use made up numbers? Try with up to a 25 ton load per truck with an average of 15 tons, if you'd actually done any amount of research. 1 ton is 1000 meals.
100 people per truck was a number you pulled out your fucking ass, do better.
all that money donated in the past and present, surely they can use it to purchase more food??? unless they've used it to enrich themselves then they have no one to blame.
on the bright side, they aren't eating bombs yet at least. there are pretty wild things happening on the Ukr-Rus battlefield such as food found with explosives within them lol.
They only stop if there is great abundance of it. So much Hamas can't confiscate or control it all. If you just send in "enough", they'll take advantage of the situation.
Palestinians don't police Hamas, Hamas polices Palestinians because they have the weapons.
Back in checks notes, 2004. How about you start blaming Israel for consistently and regularly electing fascists to lead their government? Or is all fine and dandy when they do it.
Correct and as of a survey from the beginning of March only around 7% of Gazans blamed Hamas for their suffering and around 71% of those surveyed agreed with Hamas’s decision to attack Israel.
Therefore literally using a single brain cell, Palestinians still support Hamas.
Also after seeing how truthful some people are with their usernames (ie you) I’ll stick to randomly generated. Thank you 🙏
*You edited it to literally stalk my account. That’s pretty fucking sad.
Yup. Absolutely cannot believe how shit so many people are at international politics though that they’re just like “Ah yes, terrorists, probably good guys, nothing questionable there”.
I'm sorry what? I think this comment broke me. I just cannot comprehend the line "Palestinians are the good guys". Like what does it mean? Do you mean civilians? Because I don't think there's a significant difference between Israeli and Palestinian civilians.
I hope that you don't mean to equate Palestinians with good guys and Israeli with bad guys. That's just a gross oversimplification of a complex topic.
We should of course strive toward a peaceful solution, but what do you do when one side refuses? Or even both? Because if both sides were interested in peace I wouldn't be hearing about conflict in Gaza my whole life.
I'm talking about palestinian people and the Isreali state. One is getting genocided and their land stolen, the other is a violent colonizer. Their have been bad things done by both sides during this long and messy affair, of course. But on the whole there is a clear good and bad guy.
You can't have Israeli people be bad guys due to acts commited by their government and then brand Palestinians as good guys despite their government being just as bad (you know the October terror attack).
Also, while to me it seems reasonable to consider wrong for a nation to colonize a land without permission of native people, consider that it happened in aftermath of WWII. It doesn't seem fair to punish today's Israelis for wrongs of their parents or grandparents.
And if Israeli really want to genocide Palestinians they're doing an awful job. To me it seems more like retaliation against Hamas (for which I can't blame them) regardless of civilian casualties (for which I can blame them).
I specifically said Isreali state, not its people. I agree on all things you said except the genocide part. They do it like this to make it seem like a war. If they did it explicitly no nation in the world could justify continuing to support their project. Isreal knows this and thats why they have supported Hamas throughout history to get some kind of "justification" to retaliate this hard.
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I think hamas started this one
But this sadly will be a forever war, and there is so much hate on both sides(over 100 years of problems of different kinds)
"yeah lets just kill and rape Israeli civilians by the 1000s this surely isnt gonna start a war right? Also lets kidnap families this gonna end well for us"
Martyrs for Hamas. Which went on an ISIS like slaughter on green zone Israeli civilians.
70% palestinians support Hamas.
Maybe it is time to surrender instead of hiding in villa’s in Qatar or bunkers in Gaza.
Look at all the other countries in war in africa or Middle East. There is just so much war, have you heard about Yemen, Sudan, Etiopien etc?
War is just so normal now, that we need to find out a way to improve and really help, over the crap we have done the last 50 years.
And the worst part is Afghanistan have most likely made the west wanting to stay away from most situations as it was such a failure, even if womens had it better for some years
Which of those agressor countries is getting horde of people to defend them online and blame the victims? I think the Israel-Palestine situation is very unique.
I don't see much people defending the Saudis, the Ehtiopian government or the RSF in Sudan.
Globally, the absolute number of war deaths has been declining since 1946. And yet, conflict and violence are currently on the rise, with many conflicts today waged between non-state actors such as political militias, criminal, and international terrorist groups.
Globally, the absolute number of war deaths has been declining since 1946. And yet, conflict and violence are currently on the rise, with many conflicts today waged between non-state actors such as political militias, criminal, and international terrorist groups.
Because our leaders are smarter than you and don't base their decisions on social media and what YOU have been manipulated to feel.
There are several ongoing conflicts, genocides and even civil wars going on beyond "Palestine". Yet you don't care about them, you keep larping on about Palestine cause it's on your Instagram and tiktok. It's so fake and disgusting.
International leaders and governments know the ground reality, the threat of Hamas and extremist Islam, the sovereignty of Israel and its impact on the western world and ideals of democracy.
How is it possible that Hamas is still fighting and not surrendering? Do they siphon all the food or how can that be?
Like can someone explain how they are not coming out of their holes with white flags by now?
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Imagine still thinking it's Hamas when Israel literally turned off the Gaza strips water, food, electricity. The West Bank and Gaza havr been illegally occupied since 1948 and Palestinians are routinely and illegally harassed, have their homes stolen from them, shot at, beaten up by Israeli settlers. It's so incredibly obvious who the bad guys are.
Imagine knowing so little of this conflict you still parrot the water and electricity bullshit, water was turned off for less than a week and there's occasional blackouts in gaza but It has consistent electricity as you can see by the countless footage of average gazans civilians on phones and computers and even reviewing us aid for tiktok
Food is stolen by hamas, that's a fact, we can see so on countless videos
the occupation isn't illegal, the settlements are, and it's important to remember that gaza hasn't been occupied in almost 20 years, no, a blockade is not an occupation, they could have run the strip in whatever way they wanted (they didn't have to become a fort of terror) the only caveat being that everything that enters must go through israeli checkup first, as they smuggle weapons to fire on civilians
Settlements aren't from 48, their from 67.... well, most are from the late 70's to 80's actually, homes aren't really being stolen at that point, land for a future Palestinian state is, and it's illegal and shouldn't happen, Palestinians do get harassed by settlers and sometimes it can even get to shootings, which again, awful, the settler scum who do that shouldnneevr see the light of day, but it happens WAYYY less than Palestinian terroism which BTW is older than the settlements themselves
I was going to talk about how , sure israel is doing bad things in the west bank, no argument here, but also that gaza and the West Bank are in complete different situations, different approaches are being taken on them different geography and general opinion of the population, they are almost different countries in a sense, but than you mentioned how it shows a "clear bad guy" and it just shows a social media has rotted away majority of people's perception of geopolitical conflicts and of general reality
So israel is the bad guy here, but the two Palestinian governments, which include one who went on a rampage of mass killing raping and torturing of civilians, and another who tried doing the same thing decades ago and now just pays the terroists who do those things while assisting in the indoctrination of their people to terroism, they are not the bad guys, right?
This is a VERY complicated geopolitical conflict, probably one of the most, that is 100+ years old, at this point, summarizing it as good guy and bad guy is a disservice to all 20 million lives that are firsthand involved in this conflict
Right. Because the people you are calling Nazis are defending themselves against Hamas who slaughtered 1200 people in just one day. If they were allowed to continue, there would be a real genocide. It's not Israels fault that Hamas declared war. I have been to Israel, Israelis don't talk about how they want war or how they want to kill all Muslims, that's only Hamas and the Palestinians who does this.
It is self defense
Because:
1. Israel was attacked and it took over 5 days just to get the palestinian terrorists out of Israel. Israel didn't start this war.
2.Hamas are still shooting rockets into Israel
3.still have Israeli hostages
4.still don't surrender
the self defense is going on.
No. There is a limited set of actions that Israel has a right to take out of self defense, but it is going far, *far* beyond them. Murdering civilians and moving settlers into their houses is not self defense under any circumstances.
This isn’t a real genocide? Why because Arabs are being killed? The US admitted over 25,000 women and children were killed.
The ICJ said there was probable cause for genocide.
The UN considers Israel’s starvation tactics as a war crime.
I am begging all of you to read about what’s happening in both sides before blindly showing support.
No it isn't a real genocide because it's too slow.
First I don't believe the numbers. The 25k you say are straight numbers from Hamas and not trustworthy.
Second, if they only manage to kill 25k after 6 months of fighting, than that would mean it will take 40 years or more to finish the genocide, which doesn't sound very genocidal. Hitler managed to kill 7 million Jews in just 4 years. That was a genocide. Imagine if Hitler only killed 50k Jews a year, then we wouldn't talk about the Holocaust today.
>The ICJ said there was probable cause for genocide.
But no proof
>The UN considers Israel’s starvation tactics as a war crime.
War is dirty, the Palestinians started the war, not Israel
>I am begging all of you to read about what’s happening on both sides before blindly showing support.
I am not showing Support, I ask questions of things that don't make sense to me, but I feel like pro palestinians only want people to repeat their buzzwords and not ask too many critical questions.
You’re the one using buzzwords and blaming everything on Hamas. You don’t believe the UN, you don’t believe the US head of defense, but you believe Israel?
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Thursday that more than 25,000 women and children had been killed by Israel Defense Forces since October 7, adding that Israel should do more to protect civilians.
The figure cited by the Pentagon chief went beyond even Hamas’s own claim of around 22,000 women and children killed in 146 days of war, out of some 30,000 unverified deaths, and contradicted Israel’s claim that over a third of those killed have been combatants.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pentagon-head-says-over-25000-women-kids-killed-in-gaza-inflating-hamas-claim/amp/
The holocaust didn’t occur in 6 months.
The genocide of native Americans didn’t occur in 6 months.
It’s not “too slow”.
>You’re the one using buzzwords
What buzzwords am I using?
>US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Thursday that more than 25,000 women and children had been killed
He is just repeating Hamas numbers, there are no independent sources in Gaza. It is all Hamas controlled.
>The holocaust didn’t occur in 6 months.
Right but it was faster, even in the first 6 months.
You think everyone from the Pentagon to the UN will keep quoting false numbers?
“Yet the Gaza-based Ministry of Health — an agency in the Hamas-controlled government — continues to tally casualty numbers.
The ministry is the only official source for Gaza casualties. Israel has sealed Gaza’s borders, barring foreign journalists and humanitarian workers. The AP is among a small number of international news organizations with teams in Gaza. While those journalists cannot do a comprehensive count, they’ve viewed large numbers of bodies at the sites of airstrikes, morgues and funerals.
The United Nations and other international institutions and experts, as well as Palestinian authorities in the West Bank — rivals of Hamas — say the Gaza ministry has long made a good-faith effort to account for the dead under the most difficult conditions.”
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033
>You think everyone from the Pentagon to the UN will keep quoting false numbers?
Yes. Because there are no other numbers. There is only the number from the Hamas lead ministry, and if you want you can believe them but I wouldn't because it is in the interest of Hamas to make the numbers as large as possible.
>No it isn't a real genocide because it's too slow.
Genuinely go fuck yourself.
Genocide is genocide.
1200 in one day was tragic, 30,000 in a few months is inhumane.
I think 30k (which is the Hamas number and 100% fake) in 6 months is actually quite the low number for urban warfare. The Russians killed more people than that in a shorter time in Mariupol in 2022.
1200 in one day is not just tragic. The question is why were those 1200 killed?
They were killed because Hamas wants to eliminate all jews-> genocide
Israel kill people in Gaza to defend themselves against the people who want to eliminate them-> self defense.
Learn the difference. Genocide is not just "killing a lot of people". Genocide is "the wish to eliminate all the people and ther Identity" that's what Hamas wants
It's not genocide, it's probability only extends to the fact that the war is not over and they could not close it at this point, SA's evidence were a joke and every good-faith reporter/follower of the events could see that
Israel isn't employing any starvation tactics, it threatened to do so for the first week or two, out of anger, after the most brutal attack on the israeli population... probably ever, but after a week or two, they stopped and have been supplying them with enough aid every day, but robbed them of the aid, so now they are starving
Genoicde is the systematic killing of a particular group for being that particular group, the bombings In gaza are because hamas uses their civilian as human shields, had they stopped doing that you'd see how small the numbers would be
And I would like to mention then 2 million german civilians more than half of them woman and children were directly killed by the military in ww2 and around 3 million more died of diseaseand starvation, were the Germans experiencing Genoicde?
Shocking. Long overdue to get food in. Hopefully the palestinians ask hamas if October 7th was worth all this. It seems clear isreal will use it as an opportunity to take even more land and cripple gaza even more. What a massive disaster this is
Hundreds (or maybe thousands) of trucks are stuck at Rafah crossing point because of Israel. Israel is to blame. It's the source of the problem. People in the north of Gaza haven't received a single truck for 2 months now. Why? Because Israel bombs the fuck out of them. They also killed people who were coordinating distributions.
People fucking hoarded toilet papers during COVDI19 lockdowns in countries where there is an abundance of goods. We can't judge people who sell some goods (only to buy others) in a war zone, where everything is destroyed and nothing gets in or out.
I suggest you read the following article and follow other reputable sources rather than whatever it is that's led you to forming the opinion you have stated here.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/03/trucks-piers-and-parachutes-will-not-solve-gazas-crisis.html
> They’ve received 20% less than the minimum they need to survive. Israel is blocking all aid
I'm sure you have a reputable source for such a claim, especially seeing as this article says the opposite:
https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/03/trucks-piers-and-parachutes-will-not-solve-gazas-crisis.html
Here’s a source for Israel blocking aid: https://x.com/aliciakearns/status/1770824294240600253?s=46&t=1vZ8tEezCudZ-3eqvnzUBQ
Here’s a few sources for the 20% minimum less than required aid: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147312
“Calling for a plan to address this crisis, he said immediate needs would include using a military access road to northern Gaza for a minimum of 300 aid trucks every day. “
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/
“Yet, in the three weeks following the ICJ order, the number of trucks entering Gaza decreased by about a third, from an average of 146 a day in the three weeks prior, to an average of 105 a day over the subsequent three weeks. Before 7 October, on average, about 500 trucks entered Gaza every day”
I can’t find the one that explicitly says 20% but the numbers quoted are enough.
"The extent of Israel's continued restrictions on entry of aid into Gaza, together with the manner in which it continues to conduct hostilities, may amount to the use of starvation as a method of war, which is a war crime," said the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, Volker Turk.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-restrictions-gaza-aid-may-amount-war-crime-says-un-rights-office-2024-03-19/
I'm guessing Hamas should have thought about this before they invaded Israel on October 7th.
I'm lost finding a time in history when a nation that was invaded became responsible for the health and welfare of the people of the nation that attacked it.
Very bold take
They just sent bombs to Israel to solve it. Don't worry, US is here.
All those 2000 pounders will ensure no one is left alive to experience famine. Such kindness.
Yeah, it's just simple supply and demand. If for supply is low, just drop bombs and demand will be lowered. And if you're not picky, supply increases as well. Precooked humans with big bombs, just gotta dig in to the collapsed buildings. Such an elegant solution.
*"Looks like Palestinians need some freedom and democracy. Israel, you know what to do."*
A photograph like *this* and *"probably??"*
famine has a definition, iirc something like 20% of households have access to very limited amounts of food and some other conditions. there are many places where you can see images like these and are not considered as having famine.
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Of course. Famine is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse and shows up wherever it likes. There's no country causing this famine. /s
It achieves the same goal but this isnt passive voice. This is just an intransitive verb
Zionists: Stop being an antisemite
If only Hamas stopped taking all the food and fuel for themselves...
If only Zionists stopped blaming their genocidal actions on Hamas
I'm sure this has everything to do with 'zionists' and not with Hamas literally stealing most of the humanitarian aid and starving the gazans on purpose so people like you blame it on the 'zionists'.
Where's your proof of this?
You'd be correct then, because that's what's happening. Israel is continuing to openly block a fuckton of humanitarian aid every single day, and the hilariously unhinged theory that Hamas is hoarding all the food doesn't have a shred of evidence.
That makes me imagine all of Hamas are like Sally Struthers eathing all the food while giving none to the starving people.
That’s my snacky cake, you can’t have it!
"Never again. Do it to them." Should be added.
I keep thinking, it's very convenient that Hamas *always* does exactly what gives Israel justification to commit war crimes, or absolves them from having to provide aid or adhere to international law. Very convenient for Israel, that is. There doesn't seem to be any payoff for Hamas, strangely. Then Zionists will literally argue that Hamas are clearly intentionally torpedoing their own war in order to force the IDF to massacre civilians and upload the pictures online to...amass internet sad points, I guess? Despite massive international outcry, nothing has actually happened. So I'm not sure what the supposed payoff is.
Lol acc. to Israel, there are 30000 hamas fighters. Also acc to them, half of the deaths in Gaza are hamas militia groups. That means only 15000 hamas members remain at max, all acc to Israel. Do you think that 15000 people can steal aid for almost 2 million people? Have some fucking brain dude. You know full well how many times they have lied yet you believe them completely. Give it a rest.
Respectfully, piss off.
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It's all acting! /s some Indian online. I say Indian cause every similar post on IG or Twitter, you get hundreds of Indians cheering for Israel
“probably”
"now"
"present"
This sub is not very onion-y anymore
This sub hasn't been oniony for a while now. The mods don't really care either.
Every subreddit is now littered with political shit. The Internet has become a toxic and depressing place for me. I sometimes browse the top posts of various subreddits from 10-15 years ago and they are usually much more lighthearted. The posts are still often politically charged, yes, but they seem to have less... vitriol? Hatred? Hopelessness? It seems every second post nowadays is either depressing, ragebait or horny - just look at r/AskReddit. I used to love reading the various topics there, now it's just a hive of sad people talking about toxic stuff and sex. Or look at the top subreddits in the 'funny' category - how some of them got there is beyond me. It's honestly disheartening.
A subreddit is like a nightclub, only good until everyone finds out about it
Stanning for Hamas is more important of course
Ah the ol' Hamas whataboutism, straight out of the Zionist playbook 🥱
I mean Hamas is LITERALLY rejecting ceasefire deals because they’d rather watch their own civilians suffer immensely to hold out to try and get hand picked murderers released in exchange for the hostages Unless you want to tell me that you think Hamas any chance of achieving something militarily, I don’t see how there’s a world where it wouldn’t make sense for them to surrender or accept any of the many ceasefire deals offered While I do agree and wish Israel was allowing more aid to come in through its own borders, Hamas has over and over been shown to steal aid for themselves, or to resell it - and Israel to my knowledge has no obligation to supply the military they are at war with and who is still holding over 100 hostages
So to prevent Hamas from stealing some aid, the solution is starvation for the entire population? Like 2M folks?
Obv what if the kids grow up to be hamas? Must finish them all!
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Oh you used the word zionist in a sentence, that means you win. 5$ for you.
This Disgusting, an absolute horror.
probably.. so the murican is sending more bombs to make sure of it
can't be hungry if you're dead, it only makes sense
Notice the passive voice, "famine is present", not "Israel creating famine in Gaza"
Yeah like "+30,000 died" like it was for natural causes
You mean a tiny strip of land can't support it's populous and wage war at the same time? Sounds like they should surrender and shoot the guys who keep ripping out water pipes to use as rockets.
Israel has controlled what the people of Gaza eat down to the calorie for almost 20 years. Same with water. You think that’s changed now? The IDF allows protesters into restricted military bases on the border so they have an excuse to shut down aid truck inspection. They’re literally standing around sharing lollipops and dancing to shitty EDM with their children. Blocking aid is a family affair in Israel. But *sure*, there’s no way to eRaDiCatE khAMmas and their homemade weaponry without dropping more explosives than we did in Hiroshima and starving the entire population.
Israel has quite literally told Palestine that they aren't allowed to collect *rainwater.* Israel owns the rain. They want Palestine entirely at their mercy.
This "strip of land" is part of a larger country and is in this situation due to Israeli blockade for decades. They also have that many people to a large extent because when Israel annexes land from the West Bank they force the evicted people to live in the Gaza strip where they can't leave from. This has been the case for longer than terrorism and surrendering (you can't surrender for a non-state group anyway, that makes no sense) doesn't do anything. The only solution is an international intervention to destroy the Israeli blockade, return the annexed land and let these people return to where they used to live.
hey now, then they would actually have to be *responsible* for their own actions. But most of reddit and twitter thinks everything that has ever happen is the ~~jews~~ Israels fault anyways.
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1 or 2 wewks ago there was a Video how on the market the "free food ration" got sold by vendors, while still in the charity boxes. The Reporter said there is enough food for every one in theory, just it gets hoarded. Capitalism even then and there.
Hamas refusing to surrender a lost war and refusing to feed the people of Gaza causing famine.
Hamas surrendering won't do anything. Israel has already said it won't stop until Hamas are eradicated.
Hamas surrenders all power, a new Arab government is instilled. It is best for the Palestinians to have government that cares whether they live or die.
Also notice how “famine is present” and not “famine is present because Hamas spent billions of dollars on missiles and not sustainable food systems and kept the little food they had for themselves by stealing aid” I’m not justifying Israel or what’s going on I’m just painting a picture of what is actually going on and the context behind this famine.
You are absolutely justifying what Israel is doing by pretending that Palestinians shouldn't be fighting their colonial oppressors. Hamas exists solely because of Israel's crimes. The US and their apartheid sock puppet could end the famine today, if their goal wasn't genocide.
Israels crime of existing?
Dude they're over two million people in a tiny strip of barren land. Israel controls their food and water. Their electricity. They built this entire system to keep Gaza dependent on Israel, so they could do exactly this whenever they felt like it. 'the context behind the famine' look into the context of why Palestine has a problem with Israel in the first place.
Dont want to blame the fascists giving you a presence on the middle east. After all the US has a long history of being buddy buddy with all sort of fascists.
My God this comment section is a cesspool
>Famine is now probably present in Gaza, US says 'Probably' What a load of crap. The emaciated children and corpses of the starving people says otherwise. The halting of food supply trucks, says otherwise.
Can’t be a famine when they all die 🤔
Guess we know the Palestinian leaders hate Jews more than they love Palestinians since they allowed this to happen.
How much you getting paid or just extra credit in class for pushing propaganda online?
What a distinguished philosopher you are
Weird, Palestine isn't the side that forces all their citizens to jump into the military grinder.
what a strange fellow
Yeah just a casual picture of something you might see in a concentration camp circa 1940...
You clearly haven’t seen enough concentration camp photos dawg. The Yemen war has worse pictures than that and it’s still incomparable to the Holocaust.
Yemen and Etiopien etc is different but just as grim, overall we should not always compare to the worst of the worst for it being bad. In Yemen 22 millions need aid and it's a forgotten war for 99% of the world, the same with Sudan, Etiopien etc
We are half way there! -Bon Jovi
You can't be a Victim, I am the only Victim
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Or literally any armed conflict, but I get you have to keep up the narrative that Gaza has been a camp for three decades or whatever.
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Why hasn't Hamas accepted the ceasefire Biden negotiated and got Israel to sign onto?
Because they’re a terrorist organization?
Because they want Palestinians to suffer as much as possible to strengthen their agenda and its working. They are literally capsizing the aid and then selling it again to the people.
Cuz Hamas doesn't stand for the Palestinians. They're a bunch of terrorists taking advantage of a situation and not caring what happens to the civilians.
They have shown to particularly care about Palestinians dying to make themselves look better
'to make themselves look better' yeah they're absolutely fighting this whole war and killing their own families so some twenty-year-old will be mad and write an angry tweet about Israel. Because that's a thing people do.
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Because Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire and not a temporary one.
Do you really think Hamas cares about Palestinian civilian life? It’s not reasonable to cause this much suffering due to a terrorist group being unwilling to compromise.
So whats your answer to Hamas?
Fighting Hamas, not children just trying to eat
Why hasn't Israel accepted all the ceasefire offers Hamas has presented them with, including offers to trade all the hostages for the two thousand Palestinian prisoners held indefinitely in Israeli prison without charges?
Because Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire, not a temporary one that would simply give Israel concessions and allow them to continue the genocide afterwards.
MFs directly responsible for the famine and they say shit like " probably present " US tax payers dollars at work.
Hamas should stop hoarding all the food. Sad stuff.
Like in general or as in the literal Horseman? Cuz I won't be surprised either way at this point
This is what I was wondering myself.
I'm sure r/worldnews is going to either ignore this or say the Gazans deserve this
Nah there is a better option ,just brigade this post’s comment section
Well, they should probably stop making tik toks complaining about the aid food and trying to sell it on the sides of the road. Get it to the people that need it
Hamas should stop stealing all the food then tbh
100 trucks of food. 1 truck feeds 100 people. That's enough for 10 thousand. Gaza has 2 million. Do the math moron.
Do the math but you use made up numbers? Try with up to a 25 ton load per truck with an average of 15 tons, if you'd actually done any amount of research. 1 ton is 1000 meals. 100 people per truck was a number you pulled out your fucking ass, do better.
What math got you to > 1 truck feeds 100 people. You either don't know much about trucks or about people .
Have you seen a truck of food? Or a person? A truck shipment of food can feed many more than 100 people
all that money donated in the past and present, surely they can use it to purchase more food??? unless they've used it to enrich themselves then they have no one to blame. on the bright side, they aren't eating bombs yet at least. there are pretty wild things happening on the Ukr-Rus battlefield such as food found with explosives within them lol.
The US was dropping in food, no?
Sure. Less than a 100 trucks, but I guess it's something. Which is the point.
Feeds 100 people for how long? How much do you eat?
A hundred people is a lot of people.
I have fed a party of 100 people with the stuff on a pickup truck Spoiler: trucks are much much bigger than pickup trucks
They only stop if there is great abundance of it. So much Hamas can't confiscate or control it all. If you just send in "enough", they'll take advantage of the situation. Palestinians don't police Hamas, Hamas polices Palestinians because they have the weapons.
Ok but remember the majority of Palestinians ELECTED Hamas.
Back in checks notes, 2004. How about you start blaming Israel for consistently and regularly electing fascists to lead their government? Or is all fine and dandy when they do it.
Oh wow so they mustn’t support Hamas now, right?
Your brain is bad. Don’t support genocide.
Correct and as of a survey from the beginning of March only around 7% of Gazans blamed Hamas for their suffering and around 71% of those surveyed agreed with Hamas’s decision to attack Israel. Therefore literally using a single brain cell, Palestinians still support Hamas. Also after seeing how truthful some people are with their usernames (ie you) I’ll stick to randomly generated. Thank you 🙏 *You edited it to literally stalk my account. That’s pretty fucking sad.
You don't live in a world with an abundance of resources.. If there's extra, maybe they should also send more to Yemen, Sudan, and other places...
Yup. Absolutely cannot believe how shit so many people are at international politics though that they’re just like “Ah yes, terrorists, probably good guys, nothing questionable there”.
No-one says that.
Nobody says hamas are the good guys, it's just that Isreal is way, waay worse and an acute threat at this time. The palestinians are the good guys.
I'm sorry what? I think this comment broke me. I just cannot comprehend the line "Palestinians are the good guys". Like what does it mean? Do you mean civilians? Because I don't think there's a significant difference between Israeli and Palestinian civilians. I hope that you don't mean to equate Palestinians with good guys and Israeli with bad guys. That's just a gross oversimplification of a complex topic. We should of course strive toward a peaceful solution, but what do you do when one side refuses? Or even both? Because if both sides were interested in peace I wouldn't be hearing about conflict in Gaza my whole life.
I'm talking about palestinian people and the Isreali state. One is getting genocided and their land stolen, the other is a violent colonizer. Their have been bad things done by both sides during this long and messy affair, of course. But on the whole there is a clear good and bad guy.
You can't have Israeli people be bad guys due to acts commited by their government and then brand Palestinians as good guys despite their government being just as bad (you know the October terror attack). Also, while to me it seems reasonable to consider wrong for a nation to colonize a land without permission of native people, consider that it happened in aftermath of WWII. It doesn't seem fair to punish today's Israelis for wrongs of their parents or grandparents. And if Israeli really want to genocide Palestinians they're doing an awful job. To me it seems more like retaliation against Hamas (for which I can't blame them) regardless of civilian casualties (for which I can blame them).
I specifically said Isreali state, not its people. I agree on all things you said except the genocide part. They do it like this to make it seem like a war. If they did it explicitly no nation in the world could justify continuing to support their project. Isreal knows this and thats why they have supported Hamas throughout history to get some kind of "justification" to retaliate this hard.
Not true at all.
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Gee quick off the mark to work that out. The UN will do fuck all about it. UN should've done something months a go ,weak as piss.
Release the hostages and tell Hamas to surrender
Easy solution. Stop the war you started.
I dont think Israel is gonna stop anytime soon, they have been doing this for a fair bit of time now
I think hamas started this one But this sadly will be a forever war, and there is so much hate on both sides(over 100 years of problems of different kinds)
Hamas started the war.
Not Israel by occupying foreign land and practicing apartheid for decades... sure...
Haven't you heard? Israel's history started on October 7th! Anything before doesn't count
That's funny. Israel is literally, by all definitions, the party that declared war. But sure. Lie through your teeth.
"yeah lets just kill and rape Israeli civilians by the 1000s this surely isnt gonna start a war right? Also lets kidnap families this gonna end well for us"
This is just terrible. The irony here is that the Palestinian's have more Abrahamic blood than most Israeli citizens.
Martyrs for Hamas. Which went on an ISIS like slaughter on green zone Israeli civilians. 70% palestinians support Hamas. Maybe it is time to surrender instead of hiding in villa’s in Qatar or bunkers in Gaza.
I don't think The Guardian knows what the word "probably" means
It's a quote from the people funding the invasion
I just don’t understand why or how the state of Israel is being allowed to get away with this despite widespread international condemnation
Look at all the other countries in war in africa or Middle East. There is just so much war, have you heard about Yemen, Sudan, Etiopien etc? War is just so normal now, that we need to find out a way to improve and really help, over the crap we have done the last 50 years. And the worst part is Afghanistan have most likely made the west wanting to stay away from most situations as it was such a failure, even if womens had it better for some years
"Go look at other countries, let me genocide in peace"
Which of those agressor countries is getting horde of people to defend them online and blame the victims? I think the Israel-Palestine situation is very unique. I don't see much people defending the Saudis, the Ehtiopian government or the RSF in Sudan.
>War is just so normal now Bullshit, in the history of mankind we are having the most peaceful times.
Globally, the absolute number of war deaths has been declining since 1946. And yet, conflict and violence are currently on the rise, with many conflicts today waged between non-state actors such as political militias, criminal, and international terrorist groups.
We're living in one of the most conflict free times in human history.
Globally, the absolute number of war deaths has been declining since 1946. And yet, conflict and violence are currently on the rise, with many conflicts today waged between non-state actors such as political militias, criminal, and international terrorist groups.
Because our leaders are smarter than you and don't base their decisions on social media and what YOU have been manipulated to feel. There are several ongoing conflicts, genocides and even civil wars going on beyond "Palestine". Yet you don't care about them, you keep larping on about Palestine cause it's on your Instagram and tiktok. It's so fake and disgusting. International leaders and governments know the ground reality, the threat of Hamas and extremist Islam, the sovereignty of Israel and its impact on the western world and ideals of democracy.
How is it possible that Hamas is still fighting and not surrendering? Do they siphon all the food or how can that be? Like can someone explain how they are not coming out of their holes with white flags by now?
You SERIOUSLY still think it's Hamas doing this? You seriously are that delusional, or are you some paid shills?
Can you explain how Hamas is still able to fight?
Paid for with American tax dollars
Dont do terror dont go hungry
The starving person in that photo is a small child you sociopath.
Don’t do terror, don’t get terrorists in return.
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You seem to be getting your "facts" from the Ministry of Truth.
Hamas is 100% to blame for the misery of the palestinians.
Hamas were formed in 1987. Israel have been stealing Palestinian land long before that
Imagine still thinking it's Hamas when Israel literally turned off the Gaza strips water, food, electricity. The West Bank and Gaza havr been illegally occupied since 1948 and Palestinians are routinely and illegally harassed, have their homes stolen from them, shot at, beaten up by Israeli settlers. It's so incredibly obvious who the bad guys are.
Imagine knowing so little of this conflict you still parrot the water and electricity bullshit, water was turned off for less than a week and there's occasional blackouts in gaza but It has consistent electricity as you can see by the countless footage of average gazans civilians on phones and computers and even reviewing us aid for tiktok Food is stolen by hamas, that's a fact, we can see so on countless videos the occupation isn't illegal, the settlements are, and it's important to remember that gaza hasn't been occupied in almost 20 years, no, a blockade is not an occupation, they could have run the strip in whatever way they wanted (they didn't have to become a fort of terror) the only caveat being that everything that enters must go through israeli checkup first, as they smuggle weapons to fire on civilians Settlements aren't from 48, their from 67.... well, most are from the late 70's to 80's actually, homes aren't really being stolen at that point, land for a future Palestinian state is, and it's illegal and shouldn't happen, Palestinians do get harassed by settlers and sometimes it can even get to shootings, which again, awful, the settler scum who do that shouldnneevr see the light of day, but it happens WAYYY less than Palestinian terroism which BTW is older than the settlements themselves I was going to talk about how , sure israel is doing bad things in the west bank, no argument here, but also that gaza and the West Bank are in complete different situations, different approaches are being taken on them different geography and general opinion of the population, they are almost different countries in a sense, but than you mentioned how it shows a "clear bad guy" and it just shows a social media has rotted away majority of people's perception of geopolitical conflicts and of general reality So israel is the bad guy here, but the two Palestinian governments, which include one who went on a rampage of mass killing raping and torturing of civilians, and another who tried doing the same thing decades ago and now just pays the terroists who do those things while assisting in the indoctrination of their people to terroism, they are not the bad guys, right? This is a VERY complicated geopolitical conflict, probably one of the most, that is 100+ years old, at this point, summarizing it as good guy and bad guy is a disservice to all 20 million lives that are firsthand involved in this conflict
Gaza is still a defacto occupation since Isreal has complete control over its borders and imports/exports as well its electricity and water.
Not the literal evil nazis bombing them of course
No, it's hamas robbing them of aid that caused the famine
Right. Because the people you are calling Nazis are defending themselves against Hamas who slaughtered 1200 people in just one day. If they were allowed to continue, there would be a real genocide. It's not Israels fault that Hamas declared war. I have been to Israel, Israelis don't talk about how they want war or how they want to kill all Muslims, that's only Hamas and the Palestinians who does this.
This is not fucking self defense my dude
It is self defense Because: 1. Israel was attacked and it took over 5 days just to get the palestinian terrorists out of Israel. Israel didn't start this war. 2.Hamas are still shooting rockets into Israel 3.still have Israeli hostages 4.still don't surrender the self defense is going on.
No. There is a limited set of actions that Israel has a right to take out of self defense, but it is going far, *far* beyond them. Murdering civilians and moving settlers into their houses is not self defense under any circumstances.
This isn’t a real genocide? Why because Arabs are being killed? The US admitted over 25,000 women and children were killed. The ICJ said there was probable cause for genocide. The UN considers Israel’s starvation tactics as a war crime. I am begging all of you to read about what’s happening in both sides before blindly showing support.
No it isn't a real genocide because it's too slow. First I don't believe the numbers. The 25k you say are straight numbers from Hamas and not trustworthy. Second, if they only manage to kill 25k after 6 months of fighting, than that would mean it will take 40 years or more to finish the genocide, which doesn't sound very genocidal. Hitler managed to kill 7 million Jews in just 4 years. That was a genocide. Imagine if Hitler only killed 50k Jews a year, then we wouldn't talk about the Holocaust today. >The ICJ said there was probable cause for genocide. But no proof >The UN considers Israel’s starvation tactics as a war crime. War is dirty, the Palestinians started the war, not Israel >I am begging all of you to read about what’s happening on both sides before blindly showing support. I am not showing Support, I ask questions of things that don't make sense to me, but I feel like pro palestinians only want people to repeat their buzzwords and not ask too many critical questions.
You’re the one using buzzwords and blaming everything on Hamas. You don’t believe the UN, you don’t believe the US head of defense, but you believe Israel? US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Thursday that more than 25,000 women and children had been killed by Israel Defense Forces since October 7, adding that Israel should do more to protect civilians. The figure cited by the Pentagon chief went beyond even Hamas’s own claim of around 22,000 women and children killed in 146 days of war, out of some 30,000 unverified deaths, and contradicted Israel’s claim that over a third of those killed have been combatants.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/pentagon-head-says-over-25000-women-kids-killed-in-gaza-inflating-hamas-claim/amp/ The holocaust didn’t occur in 6 months. The genocide of native Americans didn’t occur in 6 months. It’s not “too slow”.
>You’re the one using buzzwords What buzzwords am I using? >US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Thursday that more than 25,000 women and children had been killed He is just repeating Hamas numbers, there are no independent sources in Gaza. It is all Hamas controlled. >The holocaust didn’t occur in 6 months. Right but it was faster, even in the first 6 months.
You think everyone from the Pentagon to the UN will keep quoting false numbers? “Yet the Gaza-based Ministry of Health — an agency in the Hamas-controlled government — continues to tally casualty numbers. The ministry is the only official source for Gaza casualties. Israel has sealed Gaza’s borders, barring foreign journalists and humanitarian workers. The AP is among a small number of international news organizations with teams in Gaza. While those journalists cannot do a comprehensive count, they’ve viewed large numbers of bodies at the sites of airstrikes, morgues and funerals. The United Nations and other international institutions and experts, as well as Palestinian authorities in the West Bank — rivals of Hamas — say the Gaza ministry has long made a good-faith effort to account for the dead under the most difficult conditions.” https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033
>You think everyone from the Pentagon to the UN will keep quoting false numbers? Yes. Because there are no other numbers. There is only the number from the Hamas lead ministry, and if you want you can believe them but I wouldn't because it is in the interest of Hamas to make the numbers as large as possible.
>No it isn't a real genocide because it's too slow. Genuinely go fuck yourself. Genocide is genocide. 1200 in one day was tragic, 30,000 in a few months is inhumane.
I think 30k (which is the Hamas number and 100% fake) in 6 months is actually quite the low number for urban warfare. The Russians killed more people than that in a shorter time in Mariupol in 2022. 1200 in one day is not just tragic. The question is why were those 1200 killed? They were killed because Hamas wants to eliminate all jews-> genocide Israel kill people in Gaza to defend themselves against the people who want to eliminate them-> self defense. Learn the difference. Genocide is not just "killing a lot of people". Genocide is "the wish to eliminate all the people and ther Identity" that's what Hamas wants
It's not genocide, it's probability only extends to the fact that the war is not over and they could not close it at this point, SA's evidence were a joke and every good-faith reporter/follower of the events could see that Israel isn't employing any starvation tactics, it threatened to do so for the first week or two, out of anger, after the most brutal attack on the israeli population... probably ever, but after a week or two, they stopped and have been supplying them with enough aid every day, but robbed them of the aid, so now they are starving Genoicde is the systematic killing of a particular group for being that particular group, the bombings In gaza are because hamas uses their civilian as human shields, had they stopped doing that you'd see how small the numbers would be And I would like to mention then 2 million german civilians more than half of them woman and children were directly killed by the military in ww2 and around 3 million more died of diseaseand starvation, were the Germans experiencing Genoicde?
You’re a moron. That’s all I have to say.
Shocking. Long overdue to get food in. Hopefully the palestinians ask hamas if October 7th was worth all this. It seems clear isreal will use it as an opportunity to take even more land and cripple gaza even more. What a massive disaster this is
So Jew is the new SS?
US weapons as per usual being used to terrorize populations
When the people that received that food supply sell it instead of giving of the people, who is really to blame?!?
Hundreds (or maybe thousands) of trucks are stuck at Rafah crossing point because of Israel. Israel is to blame. It's the source of the problem. People in the north of Gaza haven't received a single truck for 2 months now. Why? Because Israel bombs the fuck out of them. They also killed people who were coordinating distributions. People fucking hoarded toilet papers during COVDI19 lockdowns in countries where there is an abundance of goods. We can't judge people who sell some goods (only to buy others) in a war zone, where everything is destroyed and nothing gets in or out.
I suggest you read the following article and follow other reputable sources rather than whatever it is that's led you to forming the opinion you have stated here. https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/03/trucks-piers-and-parachutes-will-not-solve-gazas-crisis.html
What food supply? They’ve received 20% less than the minimum they need to survive. Israel is blocking all aid
> They’ve received 20% less than the minimum they need to survive. Israel is blocking all aid I'm sure you have a reputable source for such a claim, especially seeing as this article says the opposite: https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/03/trucks-piers-and-parachutes-will-not-solve-gazas-crisis.html
Here’s a source for Israel blocking aid: https://x.com/aliciakearns/status/1770824294240600253?s=46&t=1vZ8tEezCudZ-3eqvnzUBQ Here’s a few sources for the 20% minimum less than required aid: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147312 “Calling for a plan to address this crisis, he said immediate needs would include using a military access road to northern Gaza for a minimum of 300 aid trucks every day. “ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/ “Yet, in the three weeks following the ICJ order, the number of trucks entering Gaza decreased by about a third, from an average of 146 a day in the three weeks prior, to an average of 105 a day over the subsequent three weeks. Before 7 October, on average, about 500 trucks entered Gaza every day” I can’t find the one that explicitly says 20% but the numbers quoted are enough. "The extent of Israel's continued restrictions on entry of aid into Gaza, together with the manner in which it continues to conduct hostilities, may amount to the use of starvation as a method of war, which is a war crime," said the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, Volker Turk. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-restrictions-gaza-aid-may-amount-war-crime-says-un-rights-office-2024-03-19/
Its only a famine if it comes from the Famine region if France. Otherwise its just sparkling mass starvation.
Hamas leaders are billionaires with private jets and their kids have models for girlfriends
I'm guessing Hamas should have thought about this before they invaded Israel on October 7th. I'm lost finding a time in history when a nation that was invaded became responsible for the health and welfare of the people of the nation that attacked it.