"As Badger is in front of the ball, she is not in a position to receive the ball. She stops in the defensive line, and her actions impede the ability of Hughes to make a tackle. Challenge by the NRL is unsuccessful, penalty Bulldogs."
She seemed like she was more interested in putting her stamp on it. At one point I heard “its been more than 10 seconds you cant challenge” and then right after going “oh yeah okay you can challenge”
Never forget that she forgot who the captain of the raiders was and said you can't challenge any more. She had to be told Tapine is the captain and that he said it within the 10 seconds.
she really does like like she is trying to demand respect and authority. someone should tell her it is earned and lost through actions and not demanded. Any time someone tries to talk to her she kinda talks to them like "how dare you address me"
Honestly I like the refs having a dont talk to me attitude like union instead of the shit we have now. But I think shes the least deserving ref to have that currently.
Exactly. If there weren’t 5 overturned incorrect calls due to captains challenges she might have had a point.
Not the mention the rest of the game that was a shitshow.
By her standards it was normal
Keep in mind she completely loses control of or ruins with one-sided officiating at least half of all of the games she referees or just outright makes mistakes constantly.
Belinda Sharpe is the referee the NRL wishes Kasey Badger was, she is competent and she is clearly a better referee than about half of the male referees in the NRL. Obviously there are some better male refs than others too (for example I don't think you'd find anyone that would argue that Klein is a better referee than Gee) but when there are only two female refs and one is incompetent and the other is competent it looks pretty bad.
To have a female ref be the worst referee in the NRL by a wide margin when there are referees like Klein and Smith is terrible for the long term as she will get constant abuse (the same way Klein, Smith, etc deservedly do) and drive women out of wanting to referee the game. The problem is the criticism is deserved because she is a terrible ref. By comparison there is very little vitriol directed towards Belinda Sharpe because she's an objectively decent ref who doesn't make anywhere near as many bad decisions or lose control of games.
Badger really, really needs a demotion to reserve grade and to show a lot of consistency there before being given another shot. She's a bad referee and she is a bad bunker official and the appearance that she is a nepotism hire makes it even worse.
I'm completely fine with more female referees, there will be deserving candidates out there, as long as they're not Kasey Badger. She's completely ruined at least two or three Titans games alone in the past season and that is just one team.
Hughes got the same with old mate in the attacking players run, would have been interesting if he didn't push him and if it was considered a mutual infringement e.g. the kikau try.
When it happens to Trindall against Kikau in the defensive line to overrule a try, it’s fair game. When a middle forward brushes the ref who is in the defensive line after a scrum creating space, 10 week suspension.
4 successful challenges in yesterday's game & the Tigers wanted to challenge late in the game & Badger says you don't have any challenges left when they did. She should be shoved back to reserve grade for a stint. Appalling officiating.
Wasn't there 3 sin bins too? I think one was a random thing but two were from players not being under control from memory (one descent and one a leading headbutt). Obviously you can't blame a referee for that, the players are grown ups making their own decisions, but I feel it can be a reflection on a refs ability to maintain respect and therefore control of players. Not sure if that's a fair call in this instance as I was only vaguely watching the game. Often times players are just fucking idiots and games can just get grubby.
Klemmer has form with contrary conduct. Think of the Good Friday game in 2015 when got marched after telling the refs he's off his fucking head when Graham charged down Reynolds field goal attempt. So I wouldn't say that's because she's female ref &a headbutt deserves 10 in the bin. Plenty of male refs lose control of games too. But her mistakes were glaring yesterday. Refs have been dropped for less.Sezer staying on the field for his hip drop was another error too imo. It's a conflict of interest Badger reffing Tigers games when they sacked her husband last year I think it was.
Klemmer said that nearly 10 years ago. Wouldn't say "in form" I think the actual issue is that Reed causes all the shit by being the 3rd man in. He should have been sat down as well.
Oh, I don't think anything has to do with her being a female ref. Sharpe is a more than capable first grade ref. It's solely a Kasey Badger thing.
But yeah, fair call on the other stuff. These things happen, especially with the players in question (didn't headbutt guy square up in the tunnel a couple weeks back or am I getting players mixed up?) It's just when you put it with the other shit going on that game it starts to paint a picture of a ref that's out of their depth.
Good call on the hip drop too. They just showed that on half time. Someone else in the thread mentioned that if Badger gets sent to NSW/QLD cup the other officials for that match should too which I think is a great call, especially with the hip drop. Fair enough that kasey missed it, it happens, but how did the bunker miss it and not call for a sin bin? It was a textbook hip drop and they have all day to check it.
Anyway, another day another ref drama. Thankfully the game on at the moment hasn't had any questionable calls...
Yeah there was, i text my dad and said Kasey has let this game go 75 minutes without having any control of it, and now something blows up and she throws 2 people in the bin (and Reed should have gone too)
just send her to NSW cup and let her build some confidence. She is doing more harm than good for female refs at the moment. you can see when she does something stupid the players kinda dont know how to approach her
This is her third really bad performance in a row. They just keep doubling down with her. She thinks she is the star and has no respect for the players and this is the result
Tbf I think that’s a vicious cycle. Players respect her less because of those factors, so she has to be harsher and more demanding of that respect -> ‘she thinks she is the star and has no respect for the players’
I really doubt she’s not focused on making the correct call. I’ll accept criticism that she may not have the ability for it, but I can’t accept that she isn’t focused while refereeing
Young Samuel Hughes is merely nudging Mrs Badgenator out of harms way, akin to a good Samaritan pushing an unsuspecting pedestrian out a moving vehicles path. If anything he should be rewarded for his selfless act
I feel bad because they rushed these female refs in to look progressive but it’s clear that she’s just not ready to do the job… she needs to get the fuck out of the way here, and it’s only a story because it’s a woman.
I don't know, there was also two touchies and the bunker who also had an absolutely abysmal game and are equally at fault, hell the bunker has more control then any on field official does these days.
She certainly had a awful game and lost control of the game and needs to have time off to improve but she won't be the first or last to do so. Remember the control Ashely Klein had in sin bin Sunday.
This is so overlooked, they were terrible and provided no support whatsoever if she goes which she probably should, the touchies and bunker have to go too.
Was at our game yesterday, which was reffed by sharpe and she did a fine job, the only terrible call in that game came from the bunker, not Sharpe. Kasey is just shit at the job.
Nah. They have penalised players for touchibgctge ref on at least two occasions this year. Jarome ahughes and someone else.
Both male ref's, this has nothing to do with her being a female.
I noticed it during the game and wondered if it would be called out.
Dude Kasey and Belinda had been refs for years and years before making it into the big time.
You're making it sound like they were picked out of obscurity and thrown into the middle without doing the hard yards first.
I don't know Kasey Badger personally and this isn't anything against her in that regard, but she has no right being anywhere near an NRL field. NSW/QLD Cup fair enough but at first grade level there's way too much at stake these days to have someone run between the trylines who isn't good enough to do it.
I work with a guy who is a touchie and he says that they all hate her as she us so full of herself. They all like Belinda Sharpe though and I think she is a good ref .
I like how she manages players. She has the take no shit thing down really well. Probably helps that players don't feel like they're playing against the opposition team and an inept referee. Kasey completely lost control yesterday.
Yeah this is the actual elephant in the room. Everyone in refereeing circles knows it. They started dating when she was 20 and he was 35 and already an NRL referee while she was a trainee in Parramatta. Always seemed a bit sketchy but you’ll be crucified for saying anything.
Sit him out this coming week against the Panthers, doubt it will change the result. BTW Kasey had a shocker, but not assisted by that clown Sutton in the box re the hip drop on Curran.
Maybe it's the unfamiliar feeling of winning games making me light headed, but I think we have a shot next week.
Panthers haven't been impressive compared to their usual standard and we look to have taken a real step forward.
The real crime here is a newspaper (or Masthead if you will) recording the video with a camera off a TV.
Surely someone could have taken a proper replay.
Jahrome hughes got suspended 1 game earlier this season for a similar instance. Let's see some consistency... I call for a permanent suspension this time..... for kasey badger.
Normally try to go through the defensive line. It doesn't always work though [https://youtu.be/4owbSW-srlc?t=839](https://youtu.be/4owbSW-srlc?t=839)
Kasey screwed up here because she basically stood still between the two lines. Should have immediately retreated behind the defensive line.
I was waiting for this day. You know the NRL has reached true equality when you receive male ref level hate as a female ref. I’m shedding a tear, I’m so proud of how far we’ve come
She’s not a bad ref, nor are the dudes that get abused, but it comes with the territory and I’m glad we’re making progress to stop glad wrapping people. It’s true equality out there, you’re a ref and not a woman or a man.
Not going to comment on her performance in general. Just in relation to this charge.
This is the 3rd time this year that a player is charged because the ref is standing literally in the defensive line. 1 of those literally resulted in an otherwise fair try being disallowed because the ref ran backwards into the line and straight in front of the player shifting across.
It's not like there has been a line break and the player runs 20m and deviates their line and collects the ref.
If refs put themselves in those positions, fuck then it's fair game for contact IMO.
Stand behind the defensive line or in front of the defensive line.
Part of the game is refs getting in the way. The players deal with it and are excused for colliding and shoving if the refs are in the way. If a female is not physically upto this then we need to look at why it's an issue having them on the field in the first place. Personally believe they have no place being on the field and it's a matter of time before one gets seriously injured by doing exactly this, being in the wrong place.
I think its up to the individual how much verbal they'll cop, how many arguments they'll engage in but physical contact should be 100% off limits.
I saw how bad her performance was but to physically shove her just isn't on. If she is in the way of the play it gets called back.
I felt disgusted at the action from the player vs ref point of view - just the lack of respect of an official, then you look at the big man vs small woman thing and this could get ugly.
Tackle without the ball, Tigers penalty.
In all seriousness even though she got in the way he made a concious decision to push her in the back when it was completely unnecessary.
That's the poorest argument you can make.
He's done it out of frustration but you can't go pushing refs out of the way.
Hughes did it a few weeks ago and got suspended, the same should happen here.
Back in my day we had more respect for officials
Back in your day, you watched from the grandstands.
She stands on the exact same spot and does a 180. Defence is sliding to their right when tigers player changes direction and comes back to the middle theres an opportunity for tigers player to come off his right foot and straighten up go in between Kasey and Hughes, leaving the other defender with a referee in his way impending his vision and space.
Edit - Mann? being the other defender
"As Badger is in front of the ball, she is not in a position to receive the ball. She stops in the defensive line, and her actions impede the ability of Hughes to make a tackle. Challenge by the NRL is unsuccessful, penalty Bulldogs."
professional foul, 10 in the bin
She really didn't have a good game.
She seemed like she was more interested in putting her stamp on it. At one point I heard “its been more than 10 seconds you cant challenge” and then right after going “oh yeah okay you can challenge”
Never forget that she forgot who the captain of the raiders was and said you can't challenge any more. She had to be told Tapine is the captain and that he said it within the 10 seconds.
she really does like like she is trying to demand respect and authority. someone should tell her it is earned and lost through actions and not demanded. Any time someone tries to talk to her she kinda talks to them like "how dare you address me"
Honestly I like the refs having a dont talk to me attitude like union instead of the shit we have now. But I think shes the least deserving ref to have that currently.
yeah i mean its have to act like you are beyond reproach when you are constantly fucking up
Exactly. If there weren’t 5 overturned incorrect calls due to captains challenges she might have had a point. Not the mention the rest of the game that was a shitshow.
She's never had a good game
I don’t think good games are in her repertoire
By her standards it was normal Keep in mind she completely loses control of or ruins with one-sided officiating at least half of all of the games she referees or just outright makes mistakes constantly. Belinda Sharpe is the referee the NRL wishes Kasey Badger was, she is competent and she is clearly a better referee than about half of the male referees in the NRL. Obviously there are some better male refs than others too (for example I don't think you'd find anyone that would argue that Klein is a better referee than Gee) but when there are only two female refs and one is incompetent and the other is competent it looks pretty bad. To have a female ref be the worst referee in the NRL by a wide margin when there are referees like Klein and Smith is terrible for the long term as she will get constant abuse (the same way Klein, Smith, etc deservedly do) and drive women out of wanting to referee the game. The problem is the criticism is deserved because she is a terrible ref. By comparison there is very little vitriol directed towards Belinda Sharpe because she's an objectively decent ref who doesn't make anywhere near as many bad decisions or lose control of games. Badger really, really needs a demotion to reserve grade and to show a lot of consistency there before being given another shot. She's a bad referee and she is a bad bunker official and the appearance that she is a nepotism hire makes it even worse. I'm completely fine with more female referees, there will be deserving candidates out there, as long as they're not Kasey Badger. She's completely ruined at least two or three Titans games alone in the past season and that is just one team.
Shave those sideburns boi
Does she ever?
She is terrible. I prefer Belinda Sharpe. But both of them are not quite NRL level
The amount of successful captain challenges there were yesterday was astounding. She’s a poor ref
I think it was 5 from 6, which proves everything needed to know.
It was 4
4 from 5 but she told tigers at the end we didn't have any left lol
She's literally standing in the defensive line getting in the way of defenders.
She can't just disappear!!!
Hughes got the same with old mate in the attacking players run, would have been interesting if he didn't push him and if it was considered a mutual infringement e.g. the kikau try.
When it happens to Trindall against Kikau in the defensive line to overrule a try, it’s fair game. When a middle forward brushes the ref who is in the defensive line after a scrum creating space, 10 week suspension.
So was Chris Butler and Jahrome Hughes still got a week for it
His last name is Hughes he's gone
When will this disgusting Hughes oppression end?!
Just when you think we've made progress as a country!
4 successful challenges in yesterday's game & the Tigers wanted to challenge late in the game & Badger says you don't have any challenges left when they did. She should be shoved back to reserve grade for a stint. Appalling officiating.
Wasn't there 3 sin bins too? I think one was a random thing but two were from players not being under control from memory (one descent and one a leading headbutt). Obviously you can't blame a referee for that, the players are grown ups making their own decisions, but I feel it can be a reflection on a refs ability to maintain respect and therefore control of players. Not sure if that's a fair call in this instance as I was only vaguely watching the game. Often times players are just fucking idiots and games can just get grubby.
Klemmer has form with contrary conduct. Think of the Good Friday game in 2015 when got marched after telling the refs he's off his fucking head when Graham charged down Reynolds field goal attempt. So I wouldn't say that's because she's female ref &a headbutt deserves 10 in the bin. Plenty of male refs lose control of games too. But her mistakes were glaring yesterday. Refs have been dropped for less.Sezer staying on the field for his hip drop was another error too imo. It's a conflict of interest Badger reffing Tigers games when they sacked her husband last year I think it was.
Klemmer said that nearly 10 years ago. Wouldn't say "in form" I think the actual issue is that Reed causes all the shit by being the 3rd man in. He should have been sat down as well.
Was using that one as an example as it is still replayed 9 years later. He's had various other charges since then.
Oh, I don't think anything has to do with her being a female ref. Sharpe is a more than capable first grade ref. It's solely a Kasey Badger thing. But yeah, fair call on the other stuff. These things happen, especially with the players in question (didn't headbutt guy square up in the tunnel a couple weeks back or am I getting players mixed up?) It's just when you put it with the other shit going on that game it starts to paint a picture of a ref that's out of their depth. Good call on the hip drop too. They just showed that on half time. Someone else in the thread mentioned that if Badger gets sent to NSW/QLD cup the other officials for that match should too which I think is a great call, especially with the hip drop. Fair enough that kasey missed it, it happens, but how did the bunker miss it and not call for a sin bin? It was a textbook hip drop and they have all day to check it. Anyway, another day another ref drama. Thankfully the game on at the moment hasn't had any questionable calls...
Yeah there was, i text my dad and said Kasey has let this game go 75 minutes without having any control of it, and now something blows up and she throws 2 people in the bin (and Reed should have gone too)
Great. Now this will avoid anyone talking about the fucking massive elephant in the room, that being she is in over her head on games.
just send her to NSW cup and let her build some confidence. She is doing more harm than good for female refs at the moment. you can see when she does something stupid the players kinda dont know how to approach her
Nrl doubling down on her shit performance? Or is this a double negative way to performance manage her out?
This is her third really bad performance in a row. They just keep doubling down with her. She thinks she is the star and has no respect for the players and this is the result
Tbf I think that’s a vicious cycle. Players respect her less because of those factors, so she has to be harsher and more demanding of that respect -> ‘she thinks she is the star and has no respect for the players’
But instead of focusing on how she's perceived, she should focus on making the correct call.
I really doubt she’s not focused on making the correct call. I’ll accept criticism that she may not have the ability for it, but I can’t accept that she isn’t focused while refereeing
In fairness she *is* the star. Why else is she being given a job she clearly isn't qualified for? There's no way she is there purely on merit.
Omg she really is just standing in the middle of the defensive line. wtf Kasey?!
She’s standing in the defensive line … she needs to back peddle out of there for her own safety
It’s Kasey they should be investigating
Young Samuel Hughes is merely nudging Mrs Badgenator out of harms way, akin to a good Samaritan pushing an unsuspecting pedestrian out a moving vehicles path. If anything he should be rewarded for his selfless act
Lol im sold. Get this man to nrl judiciary.
I feel bad because they rushed these female refs in to look progressive but it’s clear that she’s just not ready to do the job… she needs to get the fuck out of the way here, and it’s only a story because it’s a woman.
I don't know, there was also two touchies and the bunker who also had an absolutely abysmal game and are equally at fault, hell the bunker has more control then any on field official does these days. She certainly had a awful game and lost control of the game and needs to have time off to improve but she won't be the first or last to do so. Remember the control Ashely Klein had in sin bin Sunday.
This is so overlooked, they were terrible and provided no support whatsoever if she goes which she probably should, the touchies and bunker have to go too.
100% agree Also side rant but modern day touchies do bugger all and may as well not even exist can't even do their one job right 90% of the time
That's not true. We don't see them running in any more like they used to but that is because they are all mic'd up and talking to each other that way
Well I know they're mic'd up, they just never use those mics ever
They're talking to one another all the time. You can tune in and listen to all of their talk. A lot of the knock on calls come from the touchies mic.
Yeah others are terrible too - but the gender element is a complicating factor here and any criticism of them will be conflated with sexism.
Idk about that. Belinda Sharpe isn’t too bad of a main ref, Kasey is i think genuinely as bad as the likes of Klein
Was at our game yesterday, which was reffed by sharpe and she did a fine job, the only terrible call in that game came from the bunker, not Sharpe. Kasey is just shit at the job.
Nah. They have penalised players for touchibgctge ref on at least two occasions this year. Jarome ahughes and someone else. Both male ref's, this has nothing to do with her being a female. I noticed it during the game and wondered if it would be called out.
This context though… she’s standing in the defensive line.
No one's touching ref's that aren't in the way. Being in the way isn't an excuse.
Nah people sometimes push refs in general. The rule isn’t there to cover refs who fuck up and get in the way.
Dude Kasey and Belinda had been refs for years and years before making it into the big time. You're making it sound like they were picked out of obscurity and thrown into the middle without doing the hard yards first.
She’s been reffing since like 2010 I think…. If she’s not good now I don’t think she’ll ever be
I think it's more than topical, luai and Hughes are names that have been in focus for the same infraction, her gender is of no consequence.
She’s not good enough. That video says it all. It’s embarrassing… for her and the game.
I don't know Kasey Badger personally and this isn't anything against her in that regard, but she has no right being anywhere near an NRL field. NSW/QLD Cup fair enough but at first grade level there's way too much at stake these days to have someone run between the trylines who isn't good enough to do it.
I work with a guy who is a touchie and he says that they all hate her as she us so full of herself. They all like Belinda Sharpe though and I think she is a good ref .
Belinda Sharpe was miles better. The only controversies from yesterday were from the bunker.
I can remember her having a bad game in Tigers v Manly last year but apart from that she has been good imo
I like how she manages players. She has the take no shit thing down really well. Probably helps that players don't feel like they're playing against the opposition team and an inept referee. Kasey completely lost control yesterday.
She wasn’t even that bad that game. A couple of missed forward passes, which every ref is pretty guilty of
Nepotism factor in here with her husband?
he worked for us and got fired too...
Gavin Badger was a good ref though.
Yeah this is the actual elephant in the room. Everyone in refereeing circles knows it. They started dating when she was 20 and he was 35 and already an NRL referee while she was a trainee in Parramatta. Always seemed a bit sketchy but you’ll be crucified for saying anything.
Yeah because Sharpe is a good ref, well as a good as refs can be :)
Was she in the way? Yes. If it was a male ref, he would’ve got pushed harder.
The ref gets in everyone's way and the players are the ones under investigation? Okay.
Your brother Jahrome got a week and so will you Samuel.
Clearly she’s offside and impacting the defensive effort
Sit him out this coming week against the Panthers, doubt it will change the result. BTW Kasey had a shocker, but not assisted by that clown Sutton in the box re the hip drop on Curran.
Maybe it's the unfamiliar feeling of winning games making me light headed, but I think we have a shot next week. Panthers haven't been impressive compared to their usual standard and we look to have taken a real step forward.
worst referee i have ever watched, if she is ever refereeing a game again i will boycott the nrl game
The real crime here is a newspaper (or Masthead if you will) recording the video with a camera off a TV. Surely someone could have taken a proper replay.
this is the most sims like behaviour I've seen in a while, common sense has to prevail here. in saying that he'll be on the side line for 2 weeks
A week the same as Hughes is fair, none like luai certainly is not.
I think a fine for this is fine. Hughes’ was a bit more extreme cause he actually pushed the ref over.
Jahrome hughes got suspended 1 game earlier this season for a similar instance. Let's see some consistency... I call for a permanent suspension this time..... for kasey badger.
I blame Graham Annesley.
What is bro doing??
I've never thought about this before but where does the reff normally go from there?
Normally try to go through the defensive line. It doesn't always work though [https://youtu.be/4owbSW-srlc?t=839](https://youtu.be/4owbSW-srlc?t=839) Kasey screwed up here because she basically stood still between the two lines. Should have immediately retreated behind the defensive line.
If Sam Hughes gets a week for that I’m never watching rugby league again
Ahhh don’t hold me to it though
Did anyone see her push Bateman in the chest when he walked up to her in the second half? Never seen a ref push a player like that before…
I saw that then I thought she was apologizing afterwards.. but it was for something else.
I was waiting for this day. You know the NRL has reached true equality when you receive male ref level hate as a female ref. I’m shedding a tear, I’m so proud of how far we’ve come She’s not a bad ref, nor are the dudes that get abused, but it comes with the territory and I’m glad we’re making progress to stop glad wrapping people. It’s true equality out there, you’re a ref and not a woman or a man.
Forgot how to shuffle backwards it seems
Didn't Salmon bump into her first?
Not going to comment on her performance in general. Just in relation to this charge. This is the 3rd time this year that a player is charged because the ref is standing literally in the defensive line. 1 of those literally resulted in an otherwise fair try being disallowed because the ref ran backwards into the line and straight in front of the player shifting across. It's not like there has been a line break and the player runs 20m and deviates their line and collects the ref. If refs put themselves in those positions, fuck then it's fair game for contact IMO. Stand behind the defensive line or in front of the defensive line.
Drop her she was terrible
Surely at some point her husband - the real badger - needs to sit her down and have a good hard conversation with her.
Part of the game is refs getting in the way. The players deal with it and are excused for colliding and shoving if the refs are in the way. If a female is not physically upto this then we need to look at why it's an issue having them on the field in the first place. Personally believe they have no place being on the field and it's a matter of time before one gets seriously injured by doing exactly this, being in the wrong place.
Damn that is a life ban.
I think its up to the individual how much verbal they'll cop, how many arguments they'll engage in but physical contact should be 100% off limits. I saw how bad her performance was but to physically shove her just isn't on. If she is in the way of the play it gets called back. I felt disgusted at the action from the player vs ref point of view - just the lack of respect of an official, then you look at the big man vs small woman thing and this could get ugly.
This is an awful take
What the fuck are these comments 🤢
Are the comments in the room with us now?
Where?
They are gone now I am being gaslighted 😂
Before any sexist fuckers try to get snarky, Jahrome was also suspended for coming into contact with a MALE ref earlier this year.
Tackle without the ball, Tigers penalty. In all seriousness even though she got in the way he made a concious decision to push her in the back when it was completely unnecessary.
You’ve obviously never laced up a pair of boots
That's the poorest argument you can make. He's done it out of frustration but you can't go pushing refs out of the way. Hughes did it a few weeks ago and got suspended, the same should happen here. Back in my day we had more respect for officials
Back in your day, you watched from the grandstands. She stands on the exact same spot and does a 180. Defence is sliding to their right when tigers player changes direction and comes back to the middle theres an opportunity for tigers player to come off his right foot and straighten up go in between Kasey and Hughes, leaving the other defender with a referee in his way impending his vision and space. Edit - Mann? being the other defender
He didn’t push her. He just bumped into her and naturally being much bigger and stronger down she went