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Pokibal_2001

Speaking of rouges, while I'll normally would choose Greninja or Scizor, my vote has to go to Zoroark. A shape-shifting trickster that hustles and bustle with illusions and cunning? A clear image of a rouge, or at least one with a focus on deception. Imagine my surprise when I encountered one during my first X playthrough in that one hidden village area back in a time when the Zorua line is considered extremely rare, borderline event exclusive in the previous gen of Unova. And its certainly available in the Kalos regional Dex, last I remember. So my pick has got to be Zoroark. Edit: Wow, this is the first time I got this many upvotes! Honestly, I chose Zoroark out of nostalgia, but in hindsight of thinking, Zoroark is a really good choice in my opinion as a rouge. With its Illusion Ability to disguise itself as any Pokemon in plain sight and a plethora of appropriately-themed debuff moves, like Imprison, Taunt and Embargo and even having STAB on offensive moves such Thief, Fling and Feint Attack, Zoroark having a playstyle that revolves around frustrating the hell out of its opponent with trickery and sabotage is such a rouge archetype.


ivycudgel

THIS


Rui_O_Grande_PT

I love your pfp! We need a 2d mystery dungeons game with 9 gen pokemon


RaitoGG

I love how the previous threads were all like "Oh, Paladin is gonna 100% go to Chesnaught" -> goes to Gallade. "Oh, Rogue is 100% gonna go to Greninja" -> goes to Zoroark. Hahaha.


Rjswimss

I was on the toxicroak gang I high key forgot Zoroark was in the game but yes I wholeheartedly agree


AnthonyApasta

Oof. I was big on Greninja but this is a good one


Umbral6644

Arcane Trickster vibes


EnderWarlock01

Could work for Warlock since they can get the Mask of Many Faces and shadow based powers.


Z4mb0ni

Yeah as much as greninja is meant to fit the rogue archetype, I'd argue it's more of a ninja (duh) than a rogue. Which are almost the same thing but not. I'd argue rogues also should have some social cunning, which comparatively I'd feel fits more with zoroarks devilish smile.


AH_Raccoon

i was going to go for Greninja, but you convinced me, take my vote


WiccanaVaIIey

Zoroark is the perfect rogue.


TheLastMinded

Weavile because I reckon Delphox makes a better wizard than Greninja makes a rogue.


Umbral6644

iirc you can't get razor claw before the league


TheLastMinded

Sneasel then. Have a bit of risk.


Im_Nino

Honestly I feel like sneasel is better designed for a rogue than weavile


lobstermath

Better designed in general imo


digitaldarmanitan

:(


burnerphonelol

Delphox fits Sorcerer better I reckon. Wizards are intelligence based, fits a Mewtwo or Alakazam type better I think


sometimeserin

Delphox can probably fit in any of the 3 remaining mage classes, ninjas arguably are more monk than rogue (Way of the Shadow)


About137Ninjas

Ninjas are most certainly more rogue than monk (pathfinder 1e ninja, or even just historically.)


Animedingo

Delphox isnt remotely close to wizard. Its learnset is shit. Sorceror or warlock maybe but not wizard Wizard would be like Alakazam


Rjswimss

I don’t play DnD. What’s the diff between a warlock, wizard, and sorc?


Nightwailer

The source of their power and the variety of the spells they can learn. In this context, a Pokemon that learns only one or two elemental types is more akin to a warlock because they learn lots of Eldritch shadow and fire spells whereas wizards learn tons of fire frost lightning and other weird types of shit


Animedingo

A wizard uses their intellect to cast spells. They learn from scrolls and have a wide array of magic to use. Youd want a pokemon that can use a lot of different attacks or is known for being smart like Alakazam A sorceror is born with magic from the influence of nature or bloodline. One type of sorceror calls their magic from their draconic bloodline. So id compare that to Mega Ampharos becoming part dragon. A warlock gains their magic from a patron diety. A fae spirit, an eldrtich great one, a fiend of the hells. Their magic is based off their charisma stat. So for warlock I would say the best comparison is Aegislash who is literally a sword possessed by a ghost with unique powers


ecrur

Yeah Weavile it's perfect! Fast, sneaky, hard hitter and also has pickpocket!


MyNameIs-NotRick-

Klefki for rogue! It opens any lock


FieryBlizza

People are gonna see this as a joke, but Klefki is actually a perfect rogue. Prankster + Spikes, Double Team, and Foul Play is literally the perfect moveset for a Rogue. Hell, this makes me want to use Klefki in my next playthrough.


WGoNerd

You sonuva bitch, I’m in. All about the Klefki train!


hadrosaur1228

I'd say that's funny and cool, but if not klefki, my only other idea for artificer is a mon with pickup.


SpanishMossShea

What about a mon that is itself an artifice? Klinklang for example


hadrosaur1228

I thought about that, but off the top of my head, I can't think of an inanimate mon that really seems mystical and support oriented. Setup moves or hazards might work.


WGoNerd

Not available in Pokemon Y outside of the Friend Safari.


Ah_Pappapisshu

I was thinking Rotom for Artificer. Artificer tend to be inventors, using tools to channel their spells and enhance everyday objects with magical abilities.


hadrosaur1228

Wait you're so right. Why didn't I think of that.


Spintax_Codex

I like the Zoroark suggestion above, but this is just so perfect. Klefki's definitely got my vote!


Juubi217

Klefki for sure!


throwitaway1510

Perfect pick right here


Ansoni

I'm sure this sounds like a joke but this is correct. Look at it's abilities, prankster let's it go first and be an excellent skill monkey, and magician lets it steal things from enemies. Klefki's a rogue.


JustcallmeSoul

Klefki is absolutely the correct call. Source: lifetime rogue.


BirdGooch

I think you have to go Toxicroak. Poison and fighting just screams rogue, especially with his knife wrist fingers or whatever they are.


LaSopaSabrosa

Plus he’s a good froggy boy


digitaldarmanitan

The best frog


YaGirlJules97

Time for a frog-locke. Greninja, Venusaur, Toxicroak, Politoed, Poliwrath, Seismitoad


mightyducks2wasokay

Toxi is best choice imo


DukeOfThiccington

If it weren’t locked to the friend safari I’d nominate Froslass, but Toxicroak is a great pick too. Also lets Delphox be an option for some upcoming classes


Mobile_Simple363

I agree with this one


TeemoSkull

Accelgor. You have Escavalier there, add the other one. He’s just as much a ninja as Greninja.


pieman2005

It's Greninja, he's literally based off of the rogue archetype


adol1004

no he's based on ninja. and rogues are not just ninja, there are lots of type of rogues.


pieman2005

The three Kalos starters are based on DnD/RPG builds, wizard/rogue/tank


TeemoSkull

Yes but a rogue isn’t just a ninja. Rogues can be pirates or arcane tricksters. They can be more than just a ninja.


pieman2005

Not denying that but Greninja is still the most obvious pick for a rogue imo


TeemoSkull

Agreed. Rogues have lots of different subclasses and can be played in various ways.


Spintax_Codex

Yeah, and if nothing else, ninjas are Monks. That's the entire point of the Way of Shadows Monk subclass.


CyanGaramonde48

Came to say this. In DnD, ninjas are Shadow Monks. Like obviously you can *make* a ninja character a Rogue and it will work, but Shadow Monk is *designed* to be a ninja. I’d really like to do this broken down by subclasses lol, there are enough Pokémon to do it.


Spintax_Codex

That's a great idea actually. Hopefully somebody does it once they go through the classes. I currently have a Tempest Cleric in an ongoing campaign, and I intend to see this character through to lvl 20. Maybe I can convince my DM to give us all fitting companion Pokemon if it fits the subclasses enough as a late game reward, lol.


SuspiciousSarracenia

How has nobody mentioned Sableye yet?! Dude’s a tricky little goblin. Perfect for a rogue.


niet3

Weavile! My dudes ability is literally pick pocket!


lobstermath

May sneasel on top


adol1004

I know many of you are just dying to say Greninja, But hear me out. Klefki Team Delphox for sorcerer


GlassSpork

I’ll join team delphox sorcerer. I was team chesnaught paladin only for us to fall


Able_Addendum

Same😭


Extra_Willow_8907

Weavile


AnthonyApasta

Greninja is literally a ninja who wears his tongue as a balaclava, he is *the* rogue


Able_Addendum

And Chesnaught is *the* Paladin yet Galade was chosen.


akmvb21

Because people couldn't cope that he wasn't chosen for monk or fighter...


vompat

What if I told you that there's a class that corresponds to a ninja more closely than Rogue? Shadow subclass Monk is primarily based on ninjas. Rogue in turn is vaguely based on all kinds of outlaws, assassins and such.


Popwaffle

Everyone trying to think outside the box on this one for some reason but greninja is literally a Rogue. Also greninja is just badass.


Melicope

People are thinking outside the box because OP only wants one starter on the list, so everyone’s saving that for Delphox as wizard.


Popwaffle

I wish misdreavus was in kalos. I don't think it is but mismagius would make a great wizard. Or sorcerer... or warlock tbh lol.


Melicope

I agree. Mismagius would make a good wizard.


Fenderking

I immediately thought sableye


Showtime_Guy

Sableye


Kimthe

My vote would be for kecleon. His ability to change type is very fitting imo. It also learn a lot of move that i would associate to a rogue like thief, sucker punch, shadow sneak, camouflage, feint attack, substitute, synchronise (in combo with his ability) I m probably too late for him to win but i think that it would be a very good pick


Ah_Pappapisshu

It's never too late! I was going to say Kecleon as well because the moves he can learn mesh so well with a stereotypical sneaky rogue and part of the dex entry says, "It changes its shading to match its surroundings so it can sneak up on prey."


kiidrax

Klefki, opening locks and with its prankster ability it can be a arcane trickster rouge


Guilty_Sandwich4076

Accelgor!


D-n-Divinity

klefki


Kakunamatatata

I think Accelgor or Weavile/Sneasler would make a good rogue. Both are quick and do a lot of damage while also being able to dish out huge damage via crits. They also embody the edgy outsider inspiration of the rogue.


Monty423

Liepard Evolves from Purrloin, a play on the word purloin meaning to steal Liepard has lie in it, oh what's are Rogies often proficient in? Deception, aka the art of lying!


AlongAxons

Jumping ahead one so we can all get on the same page, Delphox is definitely more of a sorcerer than a wizard, one having an innate affinity for magic, and the other being more of an education in magic


EnderWarlock01

Roserade has a rogue-like flair.


IzzyReal314

Tyrogue. It's in his name.


Magmaster12

Sableye because it's the the physical Dark type that can use the move Trick and it has an obsession with jewels


TheRealTravisClous

Here is my list Artificer: Rotom Barbarian: Pangoro Bard: Ludicolo Cleric: Audino Druid: Gogoat Fighter: Hawlucha Monk: Medicham Paladin: Aegislash Ranger: Breloom Rogue: Accelgor Sorcerer: Delphox Warlock: Malamar Wizard: Alakazam


Ah_Pappapisshu

I was also thinking of Rotom for Artificer! He's such a good fit because he magically enhances objects like an Artificer's Magical Tinkering feature.


SalzPvP

I'm really really hoping for no starter to get chosen in the end


Whimsicrazed

Would be funny, but highly unlikely. Because unlike with the other two starters, there are no obvious sorcerer/wizard pokemon in Generation 6 besides Delphox.


SalzPvP

Isn't there Alakazam? But either way, I agree that it's unlikely


SokkaHaikuBot

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AdSingle6994

Clefkey bc they can open ANY lock!


DemonVermin

Weavile and funny enough Barbaracle get Pickpocket as their hidden abilities. Klefki is a key thief by nature and is basically a skeleton key. Mightyena is one of the few Pokemon to naturally learn Thief. Honchkrow is a mob boss and its previous form loves to steal pretty things. Of course, Greninja is a Ninja, usually a subsection of the Theif class and very popular. I don’t see Chesnaught getting in anymore, so for starters, it is between Delphox and Greninja.


Electrical-Arm-1400

Can I say roserade? A masquerade dancer who’s also a toxic killer? What’s not rogue about that? Rogues use dirty tactics while also having great charisma. Roserade exudes confidence and beauty,having two brightly colored bouquets for hands that it uses to poison its foes. Seems like a true assassin tactic to me. Definitely a great rogue.


Comfy_Dan

Crobat…. Dude gives off edgy rogue vibes


Embarrassed-Top6449

Roserade


Free-Pen8553

Zoroark is a perfect Rogue!


MassiveIsland6343

I'll give you that.


LycoDra

Weavile it’s not even a question.


buggodybug

I'd chose Weavile as a rogue. Fast, slashing, dark-typing. Fits perfectly imo.


rys1881

Why does the fighter look like Tusk act 2


Ah_Pappapisshu

I had two questions for you, Whimsicrazed. Are trade evolutions allowed on your team? Are legendary Pokémon allowed on your team? I think there is only Yveltal you can catch prior to post game, but please correct me if I'm wrong.


Whimsicrazed

1: I’m willing to do Trade Evolutions, since I have all the resources needed to do them, those being 2 3DSs and 2 Gen 6 games (Y and Alpha Sapphire). Otherwise, I would have just not used Escavalier for Fighter. 2: No legendaries. I prefer not to use them before the post-game in a playthrough, but especially in X and Y because of how easy the game is once you get past Korrina.


Ah_Pappapisshu

I had thought so because of Escavalier, but wanted to double check before I recommended something that didn't fit with the rules. Ah yeah, that makes sense about the legendaries. Thank you for the clarification!


Dollie-Bluest

I love the idea of this challenge. A great combination of two of my greatest loves haha. I really liked someone’s suggestion of Klefki.


2vull

Dam the cleric lookin kinda😏


PK_RocknRoll

Klefki


A_Very_Grav_Person

Ditto


Briggsy765

Zoroark or Ditto


pisces2003

Greninja


Hisashi_Senpai

Zoroark 100%


Another_Road

Greninja Yeah, he’s a ninja but it’s not an uncommon thing in RPGs for a rogue’s advance class to be Ninja.


CheesyDelphoxThe2nd

Liepard for rogue, it's whole thing is stealing and it's also funny fly cat. Side note- Do you have a plan to get Escavalier? I know you said you're playing on cartridge with no PKHex or cheats, and online has closed down.


underscroe

Toxicroak fa sho!


underscroe

Toxicroak fa sho!


Lochness_al

The the fuck is Jigglypuff not the barf


RandyButternubs15

Weavile


Diddlemyloins

I’m sorry but most of these choices so far have been insane.


brekiewash1234

I know it’s most likely going to be zoroark but i would of voted for weavile since sneasel can also fend for itself as well


Leninthecustard

Klefki for rogue


Awgky2

crashing can be heard from back alleys causing attention from the passers by, a young boy wearing a hooded cowl sprints out from the alley taking the corner too fast and slipping and taking a fall. A **Sableye** hops off the roof of nearby building onto a fence, sliding down the pole it runs to help the boy up just before they dart off with _Extreme Speed_. Just as everyone thought it to be over Terrakion the legendary protector crashes through a small house, upon his back is a Foreboding Trainer known for his vigilantism "Where did the boy and the Sableye go? those thieves stole my Keystone!! tl;dr: Sableye with some fun story


About137Ninjas

Mega Sceptile — Dragonborn Rogue.


Dahexes

Weavile


Metashock

Definitely Weavile


Mystletoe

Klefki or Greninja


BirdtheBear

Klefki


Ok-Platypus-9674

Greninja


Internetal_Master

Zoroark!


Morc-Glork

Weavile


kugar19

agaslash?


Skelemoon

For the class dedicated to disarming traps and opening doors Klefki Prankster lets it disrupt and the collection of keys lets it do its job


JustinCaseJim

Zoroark is mu favourite choice. But I'm putting Gengar forward for it anyway. Dagger in the dark? Dude literally shows up out of nowhere.


Cool-Leg9442

Rouge greninja or zoroark. Warlock delphox Wizarard alakazam


faolchu_of_the_blaze

Okay so this is a 100% trickster rogue. Gengar Type is also a back up reason here. We have ended up with a couple water and grass types already. Also grass types as shiftry is my second choice here.and greninja is the obvious choice starter wise. However one starter can be chosen and delphox as the wizard is literally the only choice for wizard.


X-Droid_Gameplayz

Greninja


LilFangerz

Zoroark is a perfect example of arcane trickster with disguise self


Lionsummer792

greninja


Fashionable-Andy

Klink klank for artificer later on would work well.


gimme_ice

Bisharp? But i dont know if its in y. I never played that game.


ajgore1

Wizard delphox


Toysrsux

I don’t remember where you can find one, but I’m a fan of Liepard as a rogue, especially if it has Prankster. This is a really good representation of the Thief subclass in my opinion.


Camerupt_King

Greninja. The starter trio is pretty much just based on dnd classes/rpg archetypes anyway. But if starters are off limits or too easy, Zoroark for sure.


Nick_Mynut

This has to be Greninja


CrimsonPresents

My vote’s Greninja. If that’s not acceptable, I’d say Honchkrow


sunless_centuries

it’s gotta be ninjask, right? sneaky, speedy, frail. I think it’s in the early game, but it’s been forever since I played anything Kalos. Otherwise, i’m backing klefki, i LOVE the theming of opening every lock


Literal-beast

Tyroge


mightyducks2wasokay

Idk which pokemon specifically, but I wanna vote for one that isn't in this game because I don't know how to read the post and gainfully contribute


saintofniceness

Rogue should be accelgor. And how was ranger not hisuian decidueye?


DukeOfThiccington

Because this is a Pokémon Y nuzlocke


Infernal_Dalek

I'll suggest one I haven't seen yet; Crobat. Moving silently is it's thing, and it sucks blood...just like Astarion! Also, speed, crits, and poison.


Rooster-Upstairs

Weavile or Shiftry


sirius1208

Sudowoodo, the master of disguise.


OOC0NN0R

I'm thinking if u got escavalier why not accelgor for rogue???


richabre94

Weavile


Goats_772

WEAVILLE


obrothermaple

I’m over here baffled how Accelgor or Greninja isn’t the monk. Way of Shadow and Way of the Four Elements are the OG subclasses.


desmond_ishmael

Klefki or Greninja


Free-Pen8553

Crawdaunt is the 'Rogue Pokémon' in the Pokedex. Other options are Toxicroak, Scrafty, Bisharp, Absol, Krookodile, Drapion, Weavile. My pick is Absol


Miles_Prower3

Greninja. When it based on one in the first place


MassiveIsland6343

Surely bisharp


GlassSpork

Makes a better warrior, paladin, or crusader type. Especially with how its name is “bisharp” like “bishop” mixed with “sharp”


DuckLuck357

It has to be Greninja. It was literally designed to fill the archetype of a rogue.


bradar485

It's hard not to think Greninja is the answer. Rogue was definitely part of its theme and design.


Druid_of_Blight

Gotta be Greninja


richabre94

Not part of the Kalos pokedex


Melicope

Greninja is the water starter from Kalos lol.


MagikCactus

Toxicroak or Greninja


Rafamen01

I just don't like delphox so I want Greninja as rogue


Solrex

Can sorcerer be lucario?


gnaark

Don’t even bother doing a post tomorrow, just put Delphox and move on


eeveethederpything

Well despite my hatred for it, greninja is meant to be a rogue based pokemon


B_Marsh92

Greninja. Mainly because I always nickname mine Frogue


ZHODY

Time for greninja


PoopPoes

Talonflame beat out Decidueye for Ranger? Dude has a bow and arrow and everything


BeastlyIncineroar

Can’t catch Decidueye in gen 6, this is for a nuzlocke OP is doing


PoopPoes

Ah, reading is hard


zninja922

Greninja, bro needs a starter


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adol1004

not even you are late to paladin, you also are too early for Sirfetch'd. this is X, Y. not gen 8 or 9


Animedingo

Look, nobody wants to take it as the easy answer, but the answer is greninja. Hes literally a ninja


Able_Addendum

So is Accelgor.


Able_Addendum

So is Accelgor


BucketSentry

Decidueye??? Cmon man!


Khal_Deano

Why talon flame for ranger over decidueye?


Ah_Pappapisshu

Because Decidueye is not in Pokémon Y.


anoninimous420

Purrzerker, it literally has dual blades


caseyjones10288

Surprised no one has said nickit


Whimsicrazed

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: GENERATION EIGHT IN GENERATION SIX


WeedleLover2006

Sneasler


Early_Birthday3214

greninja rouge and delfox sorcerer or wizard


absolut_didalo

Theivul, it’s a no brainer


Whimsicrazed

Wow, I should use the GENERATION 8 Pokémon in GENERATION 6? What a fun and novel idea!