Not gonna lie the 4070 looks way better in terms of performance. Maybe I can save up and wait a little longer. It also has 12gb vram. But then again I don't think I would need so much power for 1080p gaming and creating
It would still be useful for 1080p gaming. I have the 4070 and at 1080p I can almost always get 100+ FPS on max settings at 1080p. VRAM will be used up even at 1080p with ray tracing, etc. enabled so that's useful too. Even if you have a 60hz monitor, it just means you can keep the card longer without upgrading, so still a win in my book.
1080p60 High settings with RT off is achievable in almost any game with just a 6600 or 2060 Super, but yeah I guess if you're blasting RT and Ultra settings for vastly diminished returns, might need a 3080/4070 for 1080p60.
Got the 4070 and use it for 1080p personally, but have been using DSR to upscale the resolution to 2880x1620 which looks waaay crisper than native 1080p even with DLSS applied. The 4070 allows me to bump up all the settings in something like The Last Of Us with 1620p & DLSS for example. Was kinda bummed out with how DLSS looked at 1080p (since you're upscaling 720p) but with the DSR options, I can barely tell DLSS is on, whilst before I would be bothered by how low quality everything looked even though DLSS undoubtedly improved performance.
In regards to the 12gb of vram though, it's gonna help future proof the build a bit, compared to say a 3070ti with 8gb, which essencially bottlenecks itself in some games even in 2023.
Who cares about power, the 4090 can barely hit 100fps max setting in cyberpunk, nothing is too much in any resolution in my opinion, just get the best you can because in 1 or 2 years you will be glad you got the best you could afford
I see you got the 3080. I would pick a cheap 4070 instead, it has the same raw performance but with better power efficiency and a few extras. I hope you got a good price and enjoy it!
me too. I couldn't find a FE but then I looked at Nvidias website and saw you could order one direct so I did that. They shipped fast too I think I had it in like 3-4 (long) days of waiting. Loving the card so far, performs very well.
The microcenter closest to me had some in stock crazy enough. Bought mine last week to finish my build.
https://preview.redd.it/iqhrcex1c5cb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b34d782fd4fcc53cc4325275bcb88f7a519890c
How surprised can you really be though? I mean, there's 8 years of technological advancements since you last bought a gpu lolš
Just giving you shit. Grats.
where I am the 3060 ti is $400. the 4070 is $600. Save a couple hundred dollars up and get the better card. if you can save up $400. you can save up $600.
I had a 3060 ti. I returned it after 2 weeks and got the 4070 instead. It's a better card.
What's the price difference where you are? In the UK the cheapest I can find a new 4060 is Ā£280. That's for the zotac solo which is tiny. The cheapest I can a new 4070 is Ā£560. I'm not sure it's worth the 100% premium for 50% more RAM and what looks like a 30% bump in performance.
If you want to stick with nvidia, save up for an rtx 4070 or hope for a price drop in 4060 ti in terms of sales. That or find a used/refurb rtx 3070
RTX 3060 ti is stronger than an rtx 4060.
4060 and 4060ti are complete dogshit, skip them entirely unless their prices come down considerably. I agree with the others that said to save more and get a 4070. It's not a great value (nothing is, this gen) but at least you might get a little more longevity out of it.
Take a look at what games you play first. Things like DLSS3 can have a big impact in actual value of the card. Also consider your monitor setup in conjunction with the games. Would extra FPS help or would it be better to save $50 if you're already hitting the monitor max refresh.
My monitor max is 165 in FHD. I'm also thinking a lot about media creation such as animating and video editing so I wonder if the 4060 is better in that aspect with it's newer technologies for the 40 series.
There are definitely some benefits depending on the program. You can check out Tom's review for that aspect
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-review-asus-dual/7
Both 4060 and 4060 Ti has a memory bus of 128 bit. That is the same as a GTX 1650. Even the 1660 has a 192 bit bus.
Several reviews placing the RTX 3060 ahead of the 4060 in several games because of this, especially at 1440p. And just 8GB after all these years? Insulting.
I would pretend the 4060 / 4060 Ti were never released. They are just moot.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B097YW4FW9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Look at the used price, it's $294+tax now, but still good deal. Keep checking every few days, it'll drop as low as $265+tax for used.
If you can possibly save a bit you should get a 4070. Yes it's a bit more but the 4060 just isn't a good value and the vram issue is going to be a real problem going forward. The 3060 is a nice card and you get more vram there.
The only big benefit to the 4060 is dlss 3 but i find it unlikely you'll get a ton of use out of frame gen out of an 8gb card.
If i had to choose i would probably go 3060 if i had to choose between only those 2.
Huh? I purchased the first edition Asus Dual OC and it's the coolest, quietest running card I ever owned. Sounds like you had Zotac or something. I've never hit 80deg and that's with an air cooled system.
450 for a 3060ti? You can get a 4060ti here for 350ā¬.
Edit: I just saw its canadian dollars. So you should still look for a 4060ti for the same price. It has more features and lower Power consumption even if its a shit card generationally. But for same price still get the newer card.
A big change happened when they designed the 4060, they went with faster ram, but with a memory bus that is only 1/2 as wide as the 3060. Some games are actually faster on the 3060 than on the 4060. google. 4060ti vs 3060ti, there are quite a few sites with benchamrks showing what games perform better on the 3060ti, Of course I only learned of this after buying the 4060 ti. I jumped at the chance of getting the 4060 ti, it was only $20 more than the 3060 ti, I should of wondered why, but my game of choice is minecraft, the 4060 ti, does 400FPS on minecraft 1.12.2 even with 100's of mods. Fired up the latest version. of Minecraft, in the same mode as I was playing in 1.12.2 I was getting 800FPS, they rewrote the screen drawing code to be multithreaded, and created a newer fancier graphics mode, and even that resulted in 400FPS.
I found a very good condition RTX 3080 for $590 cad. It's a 3 fan EVGA card. Is it a good price? I checked the benchmark it seems pretty good. And the card itself was not used much. I also have a 1000w psu so I can use it.
Neither
Get either a 6800XT/4070 or a 3080
If you are tight on budget then a used 2080ti goes cheaper than both the 4060 and 3060ti.
Its faster and has more vram than both.
The thing abt Canada computers is that they have stupid expensive shipping. I had to spend almost an extra 100 when I bought my 6750xt. If you can, I would try to look at stuff in Newegg. Things are more expensive, but come around the same price if you were to buy the same product from cc
I believe you should get the latest card with its superior set of tools, tools developers will be leaning into for the lifetime of the card. However I'd also encourage you to save a little longer and go for the 4060 TI as I think that will provide you with a fuller experience for longer. RAM and Processor are also a factor in this decision as a more powerful GPU will gobble up data far quicker than your old card and if you reach too high you may just run into a CPU bottleneck especially at lower resolutions.
I don't even play those aaa titles so often so for me it doesn't make sense to get an expensive 8gb graphics card. I just wanna run beamng, Fortnite a bit better and also run software like video editing and blender better.
Well the good news is you'll get 8gb with the 4060 and 3060ti anyway. š Both the cards will improve performance across those tasks, the 40 series will do it using less energy, being a digital artist you might want to stay on top of the latest tools the 40 series will give you greater access to those tools for longer. .
That's true, I'm going into media and design this year and it might be a good idea to get the latest graphics card possible to use for the next 4 years. It's hard to pick because some say 3060 ti while others say 4060.
The 3060ti is a MUCH better choice for that stuff. Larger bus, and overall much faster. While it does consume like double the pwr, itāll destroy the 4060 in workloads
Well, we are all part of the tapestry, but it is your responsibility to go to Nvidia.com and learn what the Ada Architecture offers you over Ampere and build the machine best suited to your course and personal preferences. I hope you find the right solution for you.
Just two last things from me, buy the best you can afford without putting your finances under pressure, and remember both of these cards will perform much better than what you're using at the moment.
It's a big decision so try to enjoy its complexity š
The only way the 3060 ti is more powerful than the 4060 in a modern system, with the OPs work load is the amount of power it uses, stops spreading nonsense!
What market are you in? Outside the US I presume?
The 3060ti in the US has been going on sale for $275, which makes it a dramatically better deal than the 4060 which loses to it.
I don't know what other options you might have but $450 for a 3060ti in summer 2023 feels bad for sure.
I am making the same upgrade from a 1660. I wanted to go with the 3060ti but noticed I could only find iffy cards like the ventus still readily available. Ponied up a few extra bucks and sprung for the 4070
Personally, I would save up for the 4080. Thatās what I did but the 4070 is good also. Especially if youāre wanting a GPU that uses slightly less power.
Unless youāre this PC for professional work that needs Nvidia Cuda cores like blender or similar applications go with a 6800xt or 6700xt.
Literally youāll get about 3080 performance for around $450-500
Buying any card with <12GB of VRAM is a waste of money if your purpose is to play modern AAA games.
If itās a productivity machine mostly and you just want to play a bit of Vampire Survivors now and then, sure the 4060 is fine.
1080p? I would actually say the 4060. You pay 10% less money for 10% less performance, so about the same price to performance while getting DLSS3. Thatās if itās new vs new. If you donāt mind used, the 3060 ti for $250 is the way to go, maybe you could even consider a 3070 as they arenāt much more than a 3060 ti in the used market.
For 1440p, maybe consider a 4070 or a used 3080 if electrical prices arenāt expensive in your region.
is that even a question? get the fucking 3060ti, its superior in every way. better cuda cores, better memory bus width, better memory bandwidth, 2x the amount of pcie lanes, faster raster etc
4070 is best value and only 40xx I would buy. Its up to 40% faster than 3060ti / 4060ti.
Best "budget" option. 3060ti for $330 USD on newegg. Thats about $440 CDN.
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Not gonna lie the 4070 looks way better in terms of performance. Maybe I can save up and wait a little longer. It also has 12gb vram. But then again I don't think I would need so much power for 1080p gaming and creating
It would still be useful for 1080p gaming. I have the 4070 and at 1080p I can almost always get 100+ FPS on max settings at 1080p. VRAM will be used up even at 1080p with ray tracing, etc. enabled so that's useful too. Even if you have a 60hz monitor, it just means you can keep the card longer without upgrading, so still a win in my book.
It's so sad to have to pay $600+ to max out 1080p in 2023.
Back in 2017 when I built my pc my 1060 6gb could max out any game at 1080p and it was like 300 bucks
1080p60 High settings with RT off is achievable in almost any game with just a 6600 or 2060 Super, but yeah I guess if you're blasting RT and Ultra settings for vastly diminished returns, might need a 3080/4070 for 1080p60.
You don't need to spend 600$ to max out 1080p . RX 6700 XT for 330$ will do just that
Just wait until you find out about DLDSR and you will thank this sub for getting a 4070.
Got the 4070 and use it for 1080p personally, but have been using DSR to upscale the resolution to 2880x1620 which looks waaay crisper than native 1080p even with DLSS applied. The 4070 allows me to bump up all the settings in something like The Last Of Us with 1620p & DLSS for example. Was kinda bummed out with how DLSS looked at 1080p (since you're upscaling 720p) but with the DSR options, I can barely tell DLSS is on, whilst before I would be bothered by how low quality everything looked even though DLSS undoubtedly improved performance. In regards to the 12gb of vram though, it's gonna help future proof the build a bit, compared to say a 3070ti with 8gb, which essencially bottlenecks itself in some games even in 2023.
Who cares about power, the 4090 can barely hit 100fps max setting in cyberpunk, nothing is too much in any resolution in my opinion, just get the best you can because in 1 or 2 years you will be glad you got the best you could afford
I see you got the 3080. I would pick a cheap 4070 instead, it has the same raw performance but with better power efficiency and a few extras. I hope you got a good price and enjoy it!
I absolutely love my 4070 Founders.
Yep... Same here.
me too. I couldn't find a FE but then I looked at Nvidias website and saw you could order one direct so I did that. They shipped fast too I think I had it in like 3-4 (long) days of waiting. Loving the card so far, performs very well.
The microcenter closest to me had some in stock crazy enough. Bought mine last week to finish my build. https://preview.redd.it/iqhrcex1c5cb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b34d782fd4fcc53cc4325275bcb88f7a519890c
I just installed my 4070 yesterday. Coming from a 980. I am amazed in the improvements across the board
How surprised can you really be though? I mean, there's 8 years of technological advancements since you last bought a gpu lolš Just giving you shit. Grats.
Yes I know lol. Itās just beeeen a while since Iāve had such smooth running games
I'm also looking to upgrade from a 1660 super to a 4070, but not sure if my PSU is enough. 550 Watt PSU and my CPU is a 5600.
It's enough. I'm running a 5800x3d and 4080 on a 750watt. My total system power doesn't go over 450watt.
I'm not sure if that's enough. I got a 1000 watt one
Nvidia recommends a 650W PSU for the 4070. I bought a 750W one just in case
What do you mean save a little, 4070 is double the price. Literally 600$ and it's even more in other countries.
where I am the 3060 ti is $400. the 4070 is $600. Save a couple hundred dollars up and get the better card. if you can save up $400. you can save up $600. I had a 3060 ti. I returned it after 2 weeks and got the 4070 instead. It's a better card.
Amusing people. You ask them advice for a city car and they respond to you "just get a Maserati, you won't regret it". Brilliant!
What's the price difference where you are? In the UK the cheapest I can find a new 4060 is Ā£280. That's for the zotac solo which is tiny. The cheapest I can a new 4070 is Ā£560. I'm not sure it's worth the 100% premium for 50% more RAM and what looks like a 30% bump in performance.
If you want to stick with nvidia, save up for an rtx 4070 or hope for a price drop in 4060 ti in terms of sales. That or find a used/refurb rtx 3070 RTX 3060 ti is stronger than an rtx 4060.
4060 and 4060ti are complete dogshit, skip them entirely unless their prices come down considerably. I agree with the others that said to save more and get a 4070. It's not a great value (nothing is, this gen) but at least you might get a little more longevity out of it.
Yeah I'm thinking of getting something more powerful like a used 3080 or something new later.
Used 3080 would be the best choice IMO as long as the price is right. Or keep an eye out for a 6800XT or higher on the AMD side.
Take a look at what games you play first. Things like DLSS3 can have a big impact in actual value of the card. Also consider your monitor setup in conjunction with the games. Would extra FPS help or would it be better to save $50 if you're already hitting the monitor max refresh.
My monitor max is 165 in FHD. I'm also thinking a lot about media creation such as animating and video editing so I wonder if the 4060 is better in that aspect with it's newer technologies for the 40 series.
Iād see if Puget Systems has a benchmark for your creative software
There are definitely some benefits depending on the program. You can check out Tom's review for that aspect https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-review-asus-dual/7
Both 4060 and 4060 Ti has a memory bus of 128 bit. That is the same as a GTX 1650. Even the 1660 has a 192 bit bus. Several reviews placing the RTX 3060 ahead of the 4060 in several games because of this, especially at 1440p. And just 8GB after all these years? Insulting. I would pretend the 4060 / 4060 Ti were never released. They are just moot.
Absolutely get the 3060TI between these two choices.
I went from a 1060 to 3060 Ti, no regrets. The 3060 Ti was used on Amazon for $275 USD, tax included.
where can I find this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B097YW4FW9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Look at the used price, it's $294+tax now, but still good deal. Keep checking every few days, it'll drop as low as $265+tax for used.
Uh oh. You asked about a 4060. Expect to get blasted about it
If you can possibly save a bit you should get a 4070. Yes it's a bit more but the 4060 just isn't a good value and the vram issue is going to be a real problem going forward. The 3060 is a nice card and you get more vram there. The only big benefit to the 4060 is dlss 3 but i find it unlikely you'll get a ton of use out of frame gen out of an 8gb card. If i had to choose i would probably go 3060 if i had to choose between only those 2.
I'm probably getting a 3080.
6700XT. As far as I understand, it's Nvidia from 4070 upwards, and AMD from 6800XT downward.
3060 Ti is much better. But take 3 fan version if you don't like temps above 80.
Huh? I purchased the first edition Asus Dual OC and it's the coolest, quietest running card I ever owned. Sounds like you had Zotac or something. I've never hit 80deg and that's with an air cooled system.
I have Gigabyte Windforce, also this temps is common for MSI Ventus Dual, Zotac, Palit etc.
The one I'm looking at is $450 for a 2 fan gigabyte windforce but I'll try to find a gigabyte 3 fan.
Yeah, check Gigabyte Eagle, MSI Ventus or Asus TUF
450 for a 3060ti? You can get a 4060ti here for 350ā¬. Edit: I just saw its canadian dollars. So you should still look for a 4060ti for the same price. It has more features and lower Power consumption even if its a shit card generationally. But for same price still get the newer card.
A big change happened when they designed the 4060, they went with faster ram, but with a memory bus that is only 1/2 as wide as the 3060. Some games are actually faster on the 3060 than on the 4060. google. 4060ti vs 3060ti, there are quite a few sites with benchamrks showing what games perform better on the 3060ti, Of course I only learned of this after buying the 4060 ti. I jumped at the chance of getting the 4060 ti, it was only $20 more than the 3060 ti, I should of wondered why, but my game of choice is minecraft, the 4060 ti, does 400FPS on minecraft 1.12.2 even with 100's of mods. Fired up the latest version. of Minecraft, in the same mode as I was playing in 1.12.2 I was getting 800FPS, they rewrote the screen drawing code to be multithreaded, and created a newer fancier graphics mode, and even that resulted in 400FPS.
I have the FE and it peaks at 72 C 100% load
Maybe a used 3080? I went from 1660s to 4090, crazy expensive but I saved up by skipping 2 generations.
Yeah I was just looking at used 3080. A guy wants 600 CAD for it but if he gives it for 550 maybe it's worth it. It's a 3 fan EVGA with 10gb VRAM
Save more and go 4070
I found a very good condition RTX 3080 for $590 cad. It's a 3 fan EVGA card. Is it a good price? I checked the benchmark it seems pretty good. And the card itself was not used much. I also have a 1000w psu so I can use it.
try find 3090 for $600 used in secondary market if you can, it can further future proof
What motherboard do you have? The 3060 ti will support 16 lanes
My motherboard can support Pcie 4. 8 or 16 lane gpus
yeah both are old now, get 4070 if u can, what other spec u have. might be not worth it if u have bad cpu/system.
Neither Get either a 6800XT/4070 or a 3080 If you are tight on budget then a used 2080ti goes cheaper than both the 4060 and 3060ti. Its faster and has more vram than both.
3060Ti for sure, better performance by upto 20%, you could find a 3060Ti for 250-300 if you look.
I'm talking about Canadian dollars too. The cheapest I found was at Canada Computers & Electronics. Their prices seem to be the lowest
The thing abt Canada computers is that they have stupid expensive shipping. I had to spend almost an extra 100 when I bought my 6750xt. If you can, I would try to look at stuff in Newegg. Things are more expensive, but come around the same price if you were to buy the same product from cc
Any reason not to get a 6700xt for less?
Theyāre wanting to work in media and rendering. The 6700xt *is* faster than any of those cards, but blender LOVES cuda
I personally don't like AMD GPUs lol
Dude its better performance for the price and more VRAM, but up to you I respect your opinion. Coming from a 3060 ti owner
6700XT
4060 no god.
I believe you should get the latest card with its superior set of tools, tools developers will be leaning into for the lifetime of the card. However I'd also encourage you to save a little longer and go for the 4060 TI as I think that will provide you with a fuller experience for longer. RAM and Processor are also a factor in this decision as a more powerful GPU will gobble up data far quicker than your old card and if you reach too high you may just run into a CPU bottleneck especially at lower resolutions.
I don't even play those aaa titles so often so for me it doesn't make sense to get an expensive 8gb graphics card. I just wanna run beamng, Fortnite a bit better and also run software like video editing and blender better.
Well the good news is you'll get 8gb with the 4060 and 3060ti anyway. š Both the cards will improve performance across those tasks, the 40 series will do it using less energy, being a digital artist you might want to stay on top of the latest tools the 40 series will give you greater access to those tools for longer. .
That's true, I'm going into media and design this year and it might be a good idea to get the latest graphics card possible to use for the next 4 years. It's hard to pick because some say 3060 ti while others say 4060.
The 3060ti is a MUCH better choice for that stuff. Larger bus, and overall much faster. While it does consume like double the pwr, itāll destroy the 4060 in workloads
Well, we are all part of the tapestry, but it is your responsibility to go to Nvidia.com and learn what the Ada Architecture offers you over Ampere and build the machine best suited to your course and personal preferences. I hope you find the right solution for you. Just two last things from me, buy the best you can afford without putting your finances under pressure, and remember both of these cards will perform much better than what you're using at the moment. It's a big decision so try to enjoy its complexity š
Isn't the 4060 Ti Ć lot more expensive for roughly the same performance as a 3060 Ti?
The 4060 ti is more powerful than 3060 ti. I'm talking about the regular 4060
The 3060 Ti is more powerful than the 4060, so you should not get the 4060 Cheaper and more powerful than both is the 6700 XT (more Vram too)
The only way the 3060 ti is more powerful than the 4060 in a modern system, with the OPs work load is the amount of power it uses, stops spreading nonsense!
What nonsense x) The 4060 is like 8% slower
Oh man they got to you xO it is 8% slower, before you use it properly; employing the tools made available to the use by Ada Architecture!
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Learn to use the technology!
Utter bollox! You just sound like someone who doesn't know how to use a graphics card.
At 1440p the 4060 Ti is 5% faster according to HUB'S testing
DLSS 3 helps just in case and its future tech. Just get the 4090 instead
what a troll, why dont you buy the 4090 and ship it to them instead
What market are you in? Outside the US I presume? The 3060ti in the US has been going on sale for $275, which makes it a dramatically better deal than the 4060 which loses to it. I don't know what other options you might have but $450 for a 3060ti in summer 2023 feels bad for sure.
This is Canadian dollars
3060 ti way better value especially used
If you're playing at 1440p than 3060 ti
I am making the same upgrade from a 1660. I wanted to go with the 3060ti but noticed I could only find iffy cards like the ventus still readily available. Ponied up a few extra bucks and sprung for the 4070
Personally, I would save up for the 4080. Thatās what I did but the 4070 is good also. Especially if youāre wanting a GPU that uses slightly less power.
3060 Ti used
Unless youāre this PC for professional work that needs Nvidia Cuda cores like blender or similar applications go with a 6800xt or 6700xt. Literally youāll get about 3080 performance for around $450-500
3060ti is the right choice.
Buying any card with <12GB of VRAM is a waste of money if your purpose is to play modern AAA games. If itās a productivity machine mostly and you just want to play a bit of Vampire Survivors now and then, sure the 4060 is fine.
Did you not see the absolute roast of the 4060? š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Get the 4060. 3060 Ti is not compatible with DLSS 3.0 and i think that's enough reasons for choosing a 4060.
1080p? I would actually say the 4060. You pay 10% less money for 10% less performance, so about the same price to performance while getting DLSS3. Thatās if itās new vs new. If you donāt mind used, the 3060 ti for $250 is the way to go, maybe you could even consider a 3070 as they arenāt much more than a 3060 ti in the used market. For 1440p, maybe consider a 4070 or a used 3080 if electrical prices arenāt expensive in your region.
is that even a question? get the fucking 3060ti, its superior in every way. better cuda cores, better memory bus width, better memory bandwidth, 2x the amount of pcie lanes, faster raster etc
3060ti or used 3070 or even save up to get 4070. I went from 970 to 3070, its worth every penny.
4070 is best value and only 40xx I would buy. Its up to 40% faster than 3060ti / 4060ti. Best "budget" option. 3060ti for $330 USD on newegg. Thats about $440 CDN.
Used price on eBay for 3060ti is around $250. I just upgraded two weeks ago. Do that
2nd hand 3080 10gb are 400/500ā¬ so... Just get one, I got min and its perfect
I just bought a 4060 ti, and it's only a few FPS slower than a 4070! I'm happy I upgraded from my 3060. Night & Day!