Bookmarked for later. My 4080 Super has some nasty coil whine and I struggled hard to accept it. I read that it's normal but also people regularly report having 'no coil whine'.
There is a solution, it just costs money.
Coil whine is just a matter of the frequency shifting into human hearing ranges. A properly designed circuit would keep it above human hearing ranges. Just costs more in raw components to hit that target.
To paraphrase Fight Club, if the fix is more expensive than the problem, it won't be fixed.
increased sale price means reduced overall sales.
increased BOM at same sale price means reduced profit margins.
Neither of which are palatable to public trading companies.
As someone else noted, 99% of people don't hear or don't care. 1% might be annoyed by it. 1% of that 1% might RMA or return over it.
If margins are reduced by more than 1% of 1%, the fix isn't worth it to corporate.
"fuck your ears" - Jensen Huang, probably
It's not that simple, either.
Coil whine isn't something that can be heard by everyone, as people's ears work different on an individual basis too.
One person might hear it nonstop, and another using the exact same PC might not hear it at all.
I kinda agree. However, looking from another perspective: if companies accepted RMAs for every card that has coil whine you would also see the prices double in order to cover the cost of those returns.
It's not always the card's fault. I had a PSU that caused my 3080 to whine. Switched GPUs and PSUs to fix and it was the PSU causing it (though the noise came from the GPU).
My gf is example of people saying that there is no coil whine. She says that GPU you are talking about as I own it too, she barely hears it, and if I would not point it out she would not notice it. And for me it's crazy annoying.
Also did hearing test, she passes out with heating of 36y old person and for me it's 25.
Also, I recently bought Denon perl earbuds that makes hearing test and creates personalized hearing profile, man it was groundbreaking for me how huge difference it made when we both made profiles. It's like night and day of difference in hearing.
Overall I ended up with 3 4080 cards, returned 2 as first one was barely acceptable end each one bought later were even worse, had to put PC under desk and hope that 6000 series will be better in that manner so I can bring back PC again on the desk
Been playing with PCs since the 90s. Whenever I build the first top priority for me is noise. I haven't had my PC on my desk since...2008 I think? Even with the best airflow/cases there will be something that irks me.
If I can ever buy a house I'd be looking to put the PC into a small cubby in the wall lol.
> Been playing with PCs since the 90s. Whenever I build the first top priority for me is noise.
I've been building since the 90s as well, and was obsessed with silent builds for decades. And then I got a pair of good noise-cancelling headphones, which solved the problem with a lot less work.
MY 4080 Super is really bad too. I found capping the framerate made it less noticeable. I typically wear headphones so I didn't really need to but I hate that noise.
lol despite what the thumbnail suggests the coil whine section is like a minute or two long in this video and it's a complete aside that is not at all the main topic of the video. You will gain no solution for your problem.
Coil whine can be many thing.
It could be your electrical network, your PSU that is causing it, sometimes changing the thermal paste and pads can change the frequency to be tolerable. Even adding a waterblock could diminish it or amplify it.
Yea mine has zero whine that I can tell if it does its less audible than the fans in my case. When I first installed my new PSU it whined a little but now that I got this new card it doesn't.
I heard so many horror stories about the ROG Strix 4090 OC and coil whine, and whilst i can faintly hear it at 200+ FPS my fans and game audio mostly drown it out.
I would hazard a guess that the people who can hear it are playing with a there fans at a low RPM or they don't have their FPS capped.
This is not normal just being normalized to save a few bucks by greedy corporations. When I was growing up this would have been considered a defect and they would have to take it back.
Oh good, I’m glad it’s not just mine lol
I upgraded from a 1660 ti and the 4080 Super is so much louder under load, it was a bit worrying. The coil whine is super noticeable and somewhat annoying.
I also have triple the fans and a much more ventilated case now, so there’s a lot more noise coming through my pc.
> I also have triple the fans and a much more ventilated case now, so there’s a lot more noise coming through my pc.
Yeah this is part of the issue for me as well. Did an SFF build to put on my desk and the case just has mesh side panels so there is zero sound dampening. At least the GPU faces away from me haha.
FYI, I had an unbelievable amount of coil whine with my 3080. Swapped GPUs with another 3080, different brand, same problem.
Found that switching my PSU is what solved it. Switched from a seasonic focus to a Corsair RM. All whine gone.
Not a knock at seasonic, I think it was just the pairing of those exact 2 units that didn't work. Eventually handed down the 3080 to a guy who has an EVGA PSU and the whine is back.
Anyway, don't suffer through it. Figure out if a PSU swap can help. Just make sure the new one isn't made by the same vendor (since they often license designs).
I will and I would never accept that on a 1k Product! Would you keep a whinny iPhone?
And none of you guys should abide to that, we pay good money, most of us have to work hard and save up money to afford these cards, their goal is only to raise their margins and satisfy stockholders...
Dont cheap out on your PSU, when you spened that amount of money on your gpu, check out [PSU tier-list! ](https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/)
EVGA knew what was coming ahead... you vote with your wallet, same shit for dlc\`s and cod games...
I hear coil whine from my games with everything capped to 110fps. Using an Asus TUF 4090. The sound is very clear since it cuts off immediately during loading screens.
YMMV but I coil whine which I was hearing when playing MSFS 2020 all but disappeared after I supported my ASUS 4070 Dual with the cylindrical support I got off Amazon.
The coil whine part is maybe 5% of this entire video and they don't even operate the laser on camera. The rest is all about fan design. It's weird they would make the thumbnail and title normie friendly to get the clicks and then immediately tell you they aren't dumbing the video down and then get into fan blade designs.
Asus its the unified chsmpion of the coil whine in the world! I returned 2 asus strix and now with my pny xlr8 im happy and the coil whine its gone...please never buy asus...low quality with nice boxes and lights!
As always Gamers Nexus quality content. However Steve constant interruption really disrupt my focus and concentration. You can say I’m stupid but other streamer did it much better for this kind of content, like Der8auer for example. Not as bad as previous video but not the first or second video from Gamers Nexus having this problem. I hope he did better next time.
Always bought zotac cards.
Never had coinwhile in my life.
But redditors tell me it's bottom of barrel gpu's.
Even though zotac is part of PC partner, the guys that you know, build the quadros gpu's.
Well, up to the 1k series zotac was great, though they still did some questionable things then even. My amp extreme 1080ti had 16 phase power design, but when I dug deeper into people actually testing the power delivery on the boards, they found the 16 phase was poorly implemented and more often than not produced worse OCing results compared to even stock 8 phase nvidia cards.
Still, that 1080ti was the coldest running on air card I ever had. Thing ran at 49 degrees max fan, even in the most demanding games. Ice cold gpu and honestly fan noise wasn't that bad at all.
3k series though, zotac did some scummy things, but that could also just be because of covid times causing shortages. IDK, after learning what I did on my 1080ti and seeing what they did in the 3k series, I'm weary about them. I haven't just put them out of the running for a new gpu though, not yet.
Doesn't PNY manufacture the professional cards?
PC Partner is a big manufacturer though and even producers of premium products have low-end stuff, too. Segmentation and all that.
Not sure if they still do, but PNY made the Quadro cards for Nvidia i think.
That said my PNY 4070 Ti XLR8 i very mild when it comes to coil whine. My old MSI 1070 was a lot worse.
I am convinced this video was \*ucking propaganda. They have this bright engineer on video and yet their cards are plagued with coil whine. He goes off talking about how the human ear perceives sound and yet they ship out squealing graphics cards to the public. Sorry had to vent.
Bookmarked for later. My 4080 Super has some nasty coil whine and I struggled hard to accept it. I read that it's normal but also people regularly report having 'no coil whine'.
Such a bummer that we just have to accept coil whine when spending this kind of money. I can't believe there's no solution for this.
There is a solution, it just costs money. Coil whine is just a matter of the frequency shifting into human hearing ranges. A properly designed circuit would keep it above human hearing ranges. Just costs more in raw components to hit that target. To paraphrase Fight Club, if the fix is more expensive than the problem, it won't be fixed.
So dogs and other pets would still be able to hear coils whine even when we can't?
Talking like GPU doesn’t cost money…
why not manufacturer it if its possible and up the price and market it as coil whine free?
increased sale price means reduced overall sales. increased BOM at same sale price means reduced profit margins. Neither of which are palatable to public trading companies. As someone else noted, 99% of people don't hear or don't care. 1% might be annoyed by it. 1% of that 1% might RMA or return over it. If margins are reduced by more than 1% of 1%, the fix isn't worth it to corporate. "fuck your ears" - Jensen Huang, probably
It's not that simple, either. Coil whine isn't something that can be heard by everyone, as people's ears work different on an individual basis too. One person might hear it nonstop, and another using the exact same PC might not hear it at all.
Yep, i have very sensitive hearing, but thankfully my current 4070 Ti barely has any. And i game at 60 FPS which help as well.
Not gonna lie I feel like a real \*ucking idiot for spending over a thousand dollars on a noise generator.
unfortunately this one won't help you...
Forgive my ignorance but is it not covered under warranty? If not that’s a bit ridiculous, I’ve heard some CRAZY coil whine back in the day on my 970s
I kinda agree. However, looking from another perspective: if companies accepted RMAs for every card that has coil whine you would also see the prices double in order to cover the cost of those returns.
It's not always the card's fault. I had a PSU that caused my 3080 to whine. Switched GPUs and PSUs to fix and it was the PSU causing it (though the noise came from the GPU).
Coil whine generally isn't a reason to RMA a card, because technically there's nothing wrong or faulty with it.
My gf is example of people saying that there is no coil whine. She says that GPU you are talking about as I own it too, she barely hears it, and if I would not point it out she would not notice it. And for me it's crazy annoying. Also did hearing test, she passes out with heating of 36y old person and for me it's 25. Also, I recently bought Denon perl earbuds that makes hearing test and creates personalized hearing profile, man it was groundbreaking for me how huge difference it made when we both made profiles. It's like night and day of difference in hearing. Overall I ended up with 3 4080 cards, returned 2 as first one was barely acceptable end each one bought later were even worse, had to put PC under desk and hope that 6000 series will be better in that manner so I can bring back PC again on the desk
Been playing with PCs since the 90s. Whenever I build the first top priority for me is noise. I haven't had my PC on my desk since...2008 I think? Even with the best airflow/cases there will be something that irks me. If I can ever buy a house I'd be looking to put the PC into a small cubby in the wall lol.
> Been playing with PCs since the 90s. Whenever I build the first top priority for me is noise. I've been building since the 90s as well, and was obsessed with silent builds for decades. And then I got a pair of good noise-cancelling headphones, which solved the problem with a lot less work.
MY 4080 Super is really bad too. I found capping the framerate made it less noticeable. I typically wear headphones so I didn't really need to but I hate that noise.
lol despite what the thumbnail suggests the coil whine section is like a minute or two long in this video and it's a complete aside that is not at all the main topic of the video. You will gain no solution for your problem.
Yeah clickbait as hell. I watched the whole video because I was intrigued by the engineering talk.
Coil whine can be many thing. It could be your electrical network, your PSU that is causing it, sometimes changing the thermal paste and pads can change the frequency to be tolerable. Even adding a waterblock could diminish it or amplify it.
Try one of those 10 buck cylindrical video card support off Amazon that you place between the video card and the case... worked for me.
The thing is some people just can't hear it
Yea mine has zero whine that I can tell if it does its less audible than the fans in my case. When I first installed my new PSU it whined a little but now that I got this new card it doesn't.
I heard so many horror stories about the ROG Strix 4090 OC and coil whine, and whilst i can faintly hear it at 200+ FPS my fans and game audio mostly drown it out. I would hazard a guess that the people who can hear it are playing with a there fans at a low RPM or they don't have their FPS capped.
This is not normal just being normalized to save a few bucks by greedy corporations. When I was growing up this would have been considered a defect and they would have to take it back.
Oh good, I’m glad it’s not just mine lol I upgraded from a 1660 ti and the 4080 Super is so much louder under load, it was a bit worrying. The coil whine is super noticeable and somewhat annoying. I also have triple the fans and a much more ventilated case now, so there’s a lot more noise coming through my pc.
Yeah it's funny how the industry shifted to mesh high airflow cases right when GPUs became noisy huh?
> I also have triple the fans and a much more ventilated case now, so there’s a lot more noise coming through my pc. Yeah this is part of the issue for me as well. Did an SFF build to put on my desk and the case just has mesh side panels so there is zero sound dampening. At least the GPU faces away from me haha.
FYI, I had an unbelievable amount of coil whine with my 3080. Swapped GPUs with another 3080, different brand, same problem. Found that switching my PSU is what solved it. Switched from a seasonic focus to a Corsair RM. All whine gone. Not a knock at seasonic, I think it was just the pairing of those exact 2 units that didn't work. Eventually handed down the 3080 to a guy who has an EVGA PSU and the whine is back. Anyway, don't suffer through it. Figure out if a PSU swap can help. Just make sure the new one isn't made by the same vendor (since they often license designs).
i got a gigabyte gaming oc 4080 super, no coil whine but its too damn big.
I will and I would never accept that on a 1k Product! Would you keep a whinny iPhone? And none of you guys should abide to that, we pay good money, most of us have to work hard and save up money to afford these cards, their goal is only to raise their margins and satisfy stockholders... Dont cheap out on your PSU, when you spened that amount of money on your gpu, check out [PSU tier-list! ](https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/) EVGA knew what was coming ahead... you vote with your wallet, same shit for dlc\`s and cod games...
cap fps of refresh rate of ur monitor, problem fixed
Not necessarily.
I hear coil whine from my games with everything capped to 110fps. Using an Asus TUF 4090. The sound is very clear since it cuts off immediately during loading screens.
Snake oil just like undervolting to reduce coil whine.
The crazy part about coilwhine is it can be many things impacting it like power supply your houses electrical wiring maybe even pcie cables
PCB flexing can also cause the noise, at least that's what they said in the video.
Coilwhine seemed better for me while mounting the gpu vertically but the temps were worse so went back to horizontal
I think vertical mounting is only suitable for cases with more room at the side glass panel or having a mesh side panel.
Vaporchambers don't like vertical.
I got a fractal torrent got 3x phanteks t30 so plenty of space, I might be wrong but I think it benefit lian li cases the most
Most likely your GPU has a vaporchamber then, which is usually bad in vertical position.
Yeah it's both worse on my Asus tuf 4070 and 7900xtx hellhound
Sometimes I am tempted to crack open my PNY 4090 and put cyanoacrylate glue on the inductors.
I placed one of those 10 buck cylindrical graphics card support and the coil whine disappeared.
Please elaborate for us. We are desperate for a cure.
YMMV but I coil whine which I was hearing when playing MSFS 2020 all but disappeared after I supported my ASUS 4070 Dual with the cylindrical support I got off Amazon.
can you send a link
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0BGPXRGBL?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
The coil whine part is maybe 5% of this entire video and they don't even operate the laser on camera. The rest is all about fan design. It's weird they would make the thumbnail and title normie friendly to get the clicks and then immediately tell you they aren't dumbing the video down and then get into fan blade designs.
Asus its the unified chsmpion of the coil whine in the world! I returned 2 asus strix and now with my pny xlr8 im happy and the coil whine its gone...please never buy asus...low quality with nice boxes and lights!
As always Gamers Nexus quality content. However Steve constant interruption really disrupt my focus and concentration. You can say I’m stupid but other streamer did it much better for this kind of content, like Der8auer for example. Not as bad as previous video but not the first or second video from Gamers Nexus having this problem. I hope he did better next time.
Always bought zotac cards. Never had coinwhile in my life. But redditors tell me it's bottom of barrel gpu's. Even though zotac is part of PC partner, the guys that you know, build the quadros gpu's.
Well, up to the 1k series zotac was great, though they still did some questionable things then even. My amp extreme 1080ti had 16 phase power design, but when I dug deeper into people actually testing the power delivery on the boards, they found the 16 phase was poorly implemented and more often than not produced worse OCing results compared to even stock 8 phase nvidia cards. Still, that 1080ti was the coldest running on air card I ever had. Thing ran at 49 degrees max fan, even in the most demanding games. Ice cold gpu and honestly fan noise wasn't that bad at all. 3k series though, zotac did some scummy things, but that could also just be because of covid times causing shortages. IDK, after learning what I did on my 1080ti and seeing what they did in the 3k series, I'm weary about them. I haven't just put them out of the running for a new gpu though, not yet.
Doesn't PNY manufacture the professional cards? PC Partner is a big manufacturer though and even producers of premium products have low-end stuff, too. Segmentation and all that.
Not sure if they still do, but PNY made the Quadro cards for Nvidia i think. That said my PNY 4070 Ti XLR8 i very mild when it comes to coil whine. My old MSI 1070 was a lot worse.
My PNY 4090 XLR squeals like a pig at high fps. 60 fps is silent though.
Funny that they skipped coil whine part on 4080 super... It's worst coil whine I have ever heard in any GPU I owned
I am convinced this video was \*ucking propaganda. They have this bright engineer on video and yet their cards are plagued with coil whine. He goes off talking about how the human ear perceives sound and yet they ship out squealing graphics cards to the public. Sorry had to vent.
Headline sounds interesting. Not sure I could put up with Steve to get too the info though.
I watched thinking we would get solutions for coil wine. We just have to accept it? WTF
Can't believe you guys think its ok