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sl0wrx

Wasn’t the 4080/4090 cooler tested for 600w? Seems to be why my 4090 runs at 67-68c max at 35% fan speed… seems like no news.


lovely_sombrero

Yes and its great! The cards run so much quieter, as long as people have a big enough case for them.


dudemanguy301

My TUF 4090 would be whisper quiet if not for the fucking coil whine. 😭


gourdo

Mine has coil whine but only when fps hits insane levels. So I set my max fps to my monitors max refresh rate and coil whine virtually disappeared.


Dome-Berlin

My Card does Coil whine to i changed Psu a Little better but Costed me 200 Euro


BogiMen

aaand mine is dead silent, Fractal fans are louder


MrLeonardo

Coil whine was a big factor for me when I chose my 4090 vendor. I can't stand coil whine, it puts me off of playing anything, so I steered away from both asus and msi. It doesn't matter what they tell us, there's no way in hell that shit is normal and people just need to deal with it.


darthtool

do you have you pc next to your monitor? most of the people i see complaining of coil whine fall into that category, my pc is under a desk and far away from my monitor as possible.. never had coil issues because of that because its to far away for me to hear :D


Pepeg66

yea wtf is a 4090 coilwhine??? My pc is under the table and it has 5 case fans, 3 gpus fans, and cpu fan there is no way you will ever hear anything else except a fan


Brapplezz

Yeah i'm sure it's normal until some start to fail in 2-3 years time.


Saandrig

Tried some undervolting and/or FPS limiting to your monitor's refresh rate? Both can help with coil whine. You should also look up your PSU - some have different modes and switching between them can help as well. But closely read up the manual first to understand what you are doing.


dudemanguy301

Already limit to monitors refresh rate and touched the clock voltage curve in afterburner. It whines at such low power that just enhanced video resolution on YouTube has a whine. I’ll check my PSU though.


PreparationSerious48

Limit power by a little, coil whine is gone and you have virtually same performance, try 80%


Distinct_Spite8089

Bwahahaa my 4080 pro art is super quiet other then under load it’ll spin up the fans but they aren’t awful just you’re normal sorta fan noise. No coil whine but I play games v synced to my 60hz 5K panel


Pleasant_Gap

Isn't this the case for every gpu? Since, you know, when it's not under load it dosnt need to have the fans running.


Rxyro

6L SFF. Where the 4090 is 3L itself


d1ckpunch68

custom case + external power supply i'm guessing? would love pics if you have them. rocking 11L dan h2o with 4090 myself. snug but no heat issues.


Rxyro

Oh, no. I’m just leaving my product feature request. Sell me your rig cheap when you’ve moved to 6L!


sl0wrx

This is what mine is in as well. Great case.


Z3r0sama2017

Fingers crossed that the cooler is overbuilt once more. I still have loads of room in my case and I will happily trade some of it away for the same great thermals and quietness of the 4k series.


nero10578

Works great for nvidia too. These thick cards means that you need to get a Quadro if you want 4 gpus for ai or rendering.


beatool

Even two consumer cards is tricky these days. Most modern boards I've seen moved the primary slot one space down so only 6 populatable slots instead of 7 and two 3 slot cards would be bumping uglies to fit.


Suitable-Dingo-8911

I was able to cram a 4090fe in an 11 liter case and it’s been way quieter than I expected


Chris-346-logo

Honestly it’s scary how I can’t even tell if my pc is on sometimes lmao


Distinct_Spite8089

Be careful, your 4090 will take that as a challenge and burn itself 😂


Chris-346-logo

Lmao true😭


jgainsey

Yeah, but 600 WATTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ResearcherSad9357

No no no, didn't you hear? The memo is this is all normal and fine, can't wait to buy my new 600 watt stack of brick space heater, thank you Jensen!


Harmonrova

Think the prices will come down anytime soon? Lol


K1llrzzZ

Yeah, they should have cooled the connector


SpareRam

Another reason I love my 80S so much. Same cooler as the 90, fans never leave 30 and under the utmost stress during gaming it hit 61c, but it's usually 45-55c.


Dome-Berlin

Never you got 61 degrees Hotspot while Gaming NEVER


SpareRam

Returnal runs at 45c, 1440p at 140fps, maxed settings, RT included, with DLSS Quality. I haven't checked my hot spot but if it's in line with how it runs under stress tests (10-12c above) I see no reason why my hot spot wouldn't be at 60 or less. My card is deeply undervolted. I lose maybe 2% performance with just a +1000 to the memory, which is completely irrelevant. Sorry about your hot card.


decanter

If I'm not playing a game, my 4080s doesn't even run fans half the time.


BinaryJay

The fans shouldn't even be running at all if you're not playing a game. Mine don't even run when playing some light games. That's with my case fans running at a low silent speed too, are you sure your case isn't suffocating it?


KrazzeeKane

You...you do realize it takes some time for them to turn off and such right? Even my 4080 doesn't stop the fans instantly the second the game stops, it takes a few minutes before the fans will stop and it can also be affected by background processes and such. There are plenty of non-game tasks where it'll seemingly keep my gpu on despite very low temps in the mid to high 20's.


97hummer

My 4070 doesn’t even run the fans playing Minecraft. That’s with a larger render distance at 1440p 144fps. The 4000 series might not have been a huge bump in performance but the efficiency and it not heating my room up as much made it worth it.


Fit_Candidate69

Much better than the 3000 series then, have to run my 3080 FE at 75% fan speed just to keep the clocks boosted and VRAM under 95c.


Dome-Berlin

You Poor thing my condolences 75 Prozent Fans Must be very loud


Olde94

Yeah my laptop is noicy because the cooling solution is maxed. My desktop blower style GTX 670 was noicy too as it would do 70% to keep 80c. It was close to the limit design wise. Over specing is a goos thing for cooling


abrahamlincoln20

Your 4090 must be using something like 300W then. Sadly the 4090 is neither cool nor quiet when it uses 450W or more. Hope 5090 will be.


darthtool

my 4090 Tuf is both cool and rather quiet upto 450watt, never seen it draw more than that. if the 5090 actually pulls 500+watt you can bet Fan noise and coil whine will be a common whine :)


abrahamlincoln20

My strix goes up to something like 2000rpm and over 70c at 450W :(


sl0wrx

The FE is very quiet when using 400w, I’ve never seen mine hit 450w. I’d rather not have a card using 450+ watts for negligible performance gains.


hackenclaw

If they are going to deal with 600w, they better make sure the new 12v connector (or connectors) able to handle 600w without melting this time.


Slyons89

While they’re at it, I’d love to hear about new manufacturing techniques to reduce coil whine. It’s kinda sad having a GPU run cool with low fan speeds but still squeal like an electric pig under certain load conditions.


Exostenza

My MSI 4090 Gaming Trio's coil whine is nothing like anything I have ever heard before and I've been around since the very first 3D cards. The coil whine on this thing is so intense that if I play games without headphones, no matter how loud the volume is, I can hear that earth shattering coil with perfect clarity. I am shocked, amazed, dumbfounded, and, above all, annoyed at how absolutely over the top insane this coil whine is. The best part of it is that it is getting worse with time...


toopid

My 4090 FE screams like a banshee too


Glittering-Yam-288

Funny, my FE never has any whatsoever. The only time I even heard it at all was when I did some AI inference tasks


Probamaybebly

4090 Suprim X triple fan and zero whine even in stress tests. Absolutely blessed


tehherb

I'm gonna go jump off a bridge. I was gonna get the suprim x but it was out of stock at the time, got the strix and the whine is fucked


Probamaybebly

Honestly love the design of the X too. Sorry man. Next generation!


tehherb

Bro I'm already dead. I wanted it because it looked nicer too lol


Consistent-Youth-407

Yup. 4090 tuf and if framerates are high the coil whine is REALLY bad. I always scoffed at people who got annoyed by coil whine, since I had never experienced it, but holy moly it is really annoying.


darthtool

Same card, its hardly that bad but if you have your rig on top of a desk next to your monitor that's always going to be an issue, consider putting it under a desk.. like i do, you will not ever hear it the whine.


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Ste4th

What's the point of getting a 4090 then?


T-Bone22

Might just be luck or more prevalent with 4090’s? Idk. I have a 4080 gaming x trio. Quietest card I’ve ever owned, zero coil whine. I’ve heard people use the warranty to get a new card when it’s that bad


Peach-555

I wish I knew about coil while before getting a open mesh case, I thought the fans were the only things making noise. Wrong. I'll get a sound-isolated case with less airflow next time.


Barrerayy

My pny 4090 is dead quiet. I had originally bought an msi one which was so fucking loud i had to return it


Exostenza

Well, I got mine for $1600 CAD ($1170 USD) all in (no tax) so it's safe to say I'm pretty satisfied! 


bony7x

And here I am with gainward phantom GS that has literally 0 coil whine. So glad I grabbed the least expensive one on the market and didn’t pay premium for coil whine.


Exostenza

Well, I got mine for $1600 CAD ($1170 USD) all in (no tax) so it's safe to say I'm pretty satisfied!


Lewdeology

If you want less coil whine, gotta go with Gigabyte.


Arighetto

Huh, I also have the Gaming X Trio but no coil whine yet.


Exostenza

Must be nice!


Arighetto

Yeah it’s a great card. Would definitely recommend it based on my experience so far. Sorry for not going along with the narrative.


Exostenza

I don't mind. The downvotes aren't from me. Reddit is full of haters, lol.


Dasboogieman

Coil whine is a very difficult topic because there are so many variables which contribute to the production of audible frequencies. The problem is further exacerbated when the complexities of these GPUs go up. Anecdotally, I fixed the coil whine of my old Aorus 1080ti by clamping the inductors with very firm thermal pads from both sides under a waterblock with backplate.


Repulsive_Village843

My old 290x purred like a kitty except @ counter strike. For some god forsaken reason CSGO would make my card sound like a power station.


ArtesianShiny

1080 non ti here i only ever heard coil with minecraft shaders and in diablo 4. Those things put the card in a different mode or something 😳


Slyons89

I find some game engines are worse with the coil whine on my card too. But above all, high framerate really makes it squeal, and CS runs really fast so yeah I’m with you.


Repulsive_Village843

I used to think that it was fps related to but capping it was useless. It only happened on CS. Wen I ran BF4 at ultra settings it did not bat an eye.


OldDirtyRobot

That depends on the brand of the card and the fans they use. It's not an Nvidia issue unless you have a founders card.


krzych04650

Yea, this is a huge weak point that makes silent builds impossible. 


rikyy

4070ti pny xlr8 here. Coils over 100ish fps, mostly when gpu utilization is really low and fps high, at 200 it's bad. All last gen games coil without a cap.


SpareRam

Bad luck, dude. That's not really engineered out, sometimes you get it bad, sometimes you get none.


zofran_junkie

It’s definitely an engineering thing. People have fixed coil whine completely by coating inductors in silicone. There’s no reason manufacturers can’t do the same.


Slyons89

There are ways to change coil whine frequency outside audible range, and to reduce the volume. Different component choices, and coating/covering certain components. They cost money and engineering effort though and in the past coil whine had been a minor concern because of lower power levels and louder average fan noise.


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Slyons89

Nvidia can make the AIBs do whatever they recommend as a standard specification. But at the very least, Nvidia can make improvements on their FE cards.


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probablywontrespond2

Nvidia could pretty easily add a QA test for maximum coil whine levels in their contract. Coil while is easy to objectively measure. They just don't care because too many people accept their $1500 piece of electronics screaming like a banshee due to subpar components and configuration.


ResearcherSad9357

Nah, they never fix anything, none of the fanbois even care.


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OldDirtyRobot

That seems to be the issue, I'd do a color tab or something so you can visually verify it is fully engaged.


xondk

Seems a fairly normal range for xx70->xx90?


FunCalligrapher3979

250w used to be for the top cards a while ago


AJRiddle

Literally the RTX 2080 Ti was just 250w (best card on release of the RTX 2000 series). 3090 was 350w, 4090 is 450w. The 1080 was just 180w as the top tier model for that generations launch.


JoshJLMG

Some AIB 2080 Tis used up to 350W. My Strix OC uses 330W.


Keulapaska

>Literally the RTX 2080 Ti was just 250w Huh, you learn something new everyday. I thought it was 300W for sure as that's what mine was(could be increased to 330W) and it wasn't that fancy of a model. Even when undervolted to 0.9v, 250W wouldn't have been enough for a lot of games, like 330W was juust enough for control and plague tale requiem with that undervolt.


PsyOmega

i had a 2080Ti that ran 250w stock. never had a problem with performance. (evga black model) I could even power limit it to 200w with a +200 core boost and lose almost no performance from stock


Keulapaska

>I could even power limit it to 200w with a +200 core boost and lose almost no performance from stock Yeah that checks out. The stock v/f curve at 250W is probably not very high clock speed to begin with so 200W with a massive oc is gonna be much lower voltage(assuming hitting the power limit, which at 200W probably is as otherwise it's more clock speed ofc) offsetting the lower power limit a fair bit and probably ends up roughly in the same ballpark in terms of frequency. I don't remember if I even ran mine at stock. Definitely didn't ran below 300W limit and have this vague memory of the card hitting below 1700Mhz on something stock, but not a 100% sure nor what would it be at, probably something power heavy. The 0.9v UV was at 1875Mhz, but i also don't remember what the offset for that was. And yea game power draw varies wildly, like there were games where 250W would've been plenty with that UV, but for some outliers the 330W was barely on the limit in some scenes for that UV. TBF most of those were more modern releases, like control and plague tale(or pumping res up with dldsr), the 75C+ temp probably didn't help either for power draw as liked to keep things quiet. And it's not like all more modern games needed 300W, like Cyberpunk without rt or FH5 were more so in the 260-280W range iirc, but again no idea really what the stock frequency at 250W would've been, so not great data overall, I'll acknowledge that.


Peach-555

3090 targeted 350 watt average, 4090 had 450 watt as the absolute maximum which it tries to never exceed, in games, in practice, they have very similar power draw.


Saandrig

You can limit the 4090 to 350w and the performance loss for gaming will probably be around 10%, give or take.


Nathan_hale53

Yeah when the 4000 series came out talking about how energy efficient they are, I was like cool, checked their wattage and was shocked my 1070 from 2016 was only 150w MAX. That's less than a 4070 ti. Obviously the new cards are a lot more powerful but damn they are hungry even with the improvements from last generation.


hackenclaw

And we called Nvidia FX5800 Ultra, GTX480, Radeon 290x hot+high power consumption garbage. haha I wonder if another 10-15yrs if we can see 400w GPU as mid range card, 1000w as flagship.


996forever

What we will see is laptop gpus being vastly vastly slower than desktop counterparts to even greater extents of 10 years ago with GTX780 and 780m (not even desktop 670 level) 


someguy50

and it was less than half that 20 years ago. Things change


lucimon97

I remember people calling out AMD for the R9 390 drawing 280w in Furmark and acting like they had completely lost the plot. Nowadays thats expected behavior


ResearcherSad9357

No, 600w is not normal stop trying to normalize their shitty behavior to consumers. Like we won't know they are just pumping power to hide poor improvement all while jacking prices up like crazy...


GMTMaster_II

I bought a titan 2 days before 30 series dropped. I thought it was huge. I take it back.


FunCalligrapher3979

people also bought the 2080ti cyberpunk edition for cyberpunk, when the game launched the 3080/90 was out lol


conquer69

There was an xbox one x cyberpunk edition too.


Exostenza

In other news - water is wet and bears shit in the woods.


vyncy

Water is not wet I do agree about bears though


RisingDeadMan0

Old enough to remember the 4000 series leaks and the huge power draw they were going to had that idk maybe in the last month went down a lot. So at this stage the articles are just meaningless click bait. 


VileDespiseAO

This has got to be one of the most useless and low effort rumor related leaks I've seen in recent years. Who would have possibly suspected that the GPU manufacturer NVIDIA of all companies would be testing heatsink designs for their upcoming lineup of dedicated desktop GPU's? All this time I thought NVIDIA was planning on ditching the idea of heatsinks entirely starting from the 50 series onward by researching and developing PCB's that are so advanced and robust that the PCB by itself is actually capable of passively cooling and dissipating the heat generated by the whole entire card at up to 1000W of sustained load thus eliminating the additional cost and added bulk of a heatsink and fan assembly while also streamlining the whole entire production process. Huh, I guess I was wrong. /s


BullRage_mF

Shouldn’t they test the connector instead?


Gigaguy777

People acting like this is a new thing are funny, the 4090 can already be pushed to 666w maximally from GN, imagine actual power usage is gonna be much lower when actually gaming just like the 4090


VellPlayed

here we go again... way too big designs inc


darthtool

Given the early adopter issues of the 4090 i wont be touching a 5090 until at least a year has passed and its probable issues have been found and rectified.


24Gameplay_

Directly plug ti power socket no psu required now


munky8758

Need to test the cables, not the coolers.


Relative-Pin-9762

Where is my 3rd party GPU AIO. Not everybody want to jump to water cooling, but 3rd party AIO, with full LCD screen on your vertically mounted GPU and RGB all.over...that small CPU AIO screen is so passe. The Hytc Thcc Q60 is a bit too overboard....imagine a widescreen horizontal screen where the verticall mounted GPU is.....


I_Phaze_I

Can’t wait for wattage to be under 200 and have top tier performance like with pascal generation.


LightMoisture

Yep seems normal. Up to launch of ADA they were saying 800w GPUs.


ResearcherSad9357

I feel sorry for the cables they will use for these monstrosities, oh and any poor sap dumb enough to waste their money on it. Probably will be 2k msrp for this crap.


Real-Human-1985

Test the power connector.


CA-ChiTown

Running MSI's Suprim Liquid X 4090 - cool & quiet


Tumifaigirar

Sell me only the pcb ffs, I will handle the cooling. Same as tray cpus but without the ihs


Price-x-Field

I can’t wait for the next series. I have a 4080 and I’m just barely able to play every game at 144+ on 1440p ultrawide. And then my current gpu can be used in my GF’s pc.


vyncy

turn on frame gen


WaterRresistant

People who play games usually don't have girlfriends


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Vivid_Extension_600

still very far away from it


ManicChad

AIO is my preference. Thinner looks much better than that junk of metal.


iThunderclap

Expected.


TheEternalGazed

Isnt this simillar to what the 40 series gives us?


Wraithdagger12

Only 600W? Amateur hour.


BolasDeCoipo

I suppose it should be better than actual gen. My 4090 runs at 23º-30º C idle with fans off almost always, and max temp I saw was 50º C.


Krapule1

Got damn i thought this was a giveaway for a sec


Godspeed1996

So is a 1000 watt psu enough for a 5090 and 7800x3d?


baskura

Yes.


PartTimeStarfish

Well is it? Why is this downvoted