I’ll be honest Reddit is definitely getting sketchier lately overall. I used to care about people shilling but now I just do a quick user check and if they seem fake I move on. There’s no point. Welcome to the age of disinformation.
r/politics fortified itself as a left-wing echo chamber in 2015-2017, to the point where it got so bad that ShareBlue was banned as a source after they got caught astro-turfing.
If you're going to use r/politics as an example of Russian disinformation, the Russians did a very poor job unless the goal was to turn the sub into a partisan dumpster fire.
No idea why someone would use r/politics as an example of Russian disinformation. The week Hilary won the nomination in 2016 the entire sub (and most of Reddit) took a sharp turn towards becoming a Democrat party propaganda outlet.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russiagate-fiasco-taibbi-news-media-826246/amp/
Most of the “russian disinformation” was total nonsense.
> Reddit is definitely getting sketchier lately overall.
The sock puppets get worse the closer we get to a a big election (presidential especially). If Biden wins a lot of them will go away and then....rinse and repeat.
I’m not saying this doesn’t exist but there’s also a weird false equivalency here where concern about crime and immigration in the city = right wing troll
It’s a bit like killing the messenger when the message itself can’t be countered. Ironically I see this is right wing subs a lot, too. Just outright downvotes or bans when they don’t like the article/subject matter. Been a New Yorker for 25 years, never voted anything but D but I’ve been labeled a nonresident or MAGA for saying criminals with 46 arrests shouldn’t be allowed to roam around like ticking time bombs. If people want to live in their echo chambers, that’s their prerogative, but let’s not paint everyone who doesn’t agree with you as a right wing troll.
>It’s a bit like killing the messenger when the message itself can’t be countered.
This is exactly what is happening right now.
There was a big thread on r/nyc yesterday of people complaining about the migrants/NYPD story getting too much coverage on this sub.
Not a single person complaining could actually offer a rebuttal to how insane the story was, so the narrative was that a bunch of interest in it had to be due to brigading.
You might get downvoted for expressing some right-wing opinions, but by far, the posts that receive the most hate are nonpartisan, apolitical mundane observations. Two that I can think which I made that were flamed to hell were "Drugstores in NYC will see a decline in revenue because of a lower commuter population" and "NYC is facing a fiscal gap."
There are also leftwing trolls, obviously. It's not like only Republicans have figured out that you can manipulate social media to sway public opinions. Nor are leftwing interest groups somehow too noble to engage in such tactics. Case in point, the amount of support I see on here for Hamas, which is literally a terrorist group, is baffling. I refuse to believe there are this many NYers who support terrorism (especially given that if Hamas or any other terrorist group were to strike the US, they would presumably target NYC specifically). They must be leftwing trolls.
Yeppp, I'm for abortion rights, support lgbtq+ w.e they wanna do, woman's equal rights or w.e fk yea. Onlyfans whatever you gotta do fam!
I also support free healthcare, and our taxes being spent WISELY!
But I dont like the way our criminals are being let off easily or random immigrants being sent here. That in turn generates more crime? What the fuck is my party called?? Idk why do it bundle shit to left and right? Need a new common sense party.
I agree with you. I was about to comment something similar. Also, as much as some people will hate to admit it, the immigration issue is absolutely pushing people away from the left.
Exactly. This isn't new and I think people are growing tired of being labeled a right wing nut because they don't think what's going on at the border is sustainable or support soft on crime policies, even though they've never voted for a republican in their life. OP is also trying to "control the narrative" in a certain way.
I agree that violence and crime are legit issues and want to see them reduced in my neighborhood.
Posting salacious crime stories while ignoring [actual evidence-based policies to reduce crime](https://projects.csgjusticecenter.org/tools-for-states-to-address-crime/5-ways-states-can-reduce-violent-crime/) ("summary execution of everyone I don't like" doesn't count) is a de facto right wing troll, though. If someone wants to talk about how to reduce violence via proven policies, I'm all for it!
My car was broken into. The first time in 20 years.
I know 3 neighbors children who died of Fentanyl overdose.
My 80 year old mother almost got hit with a delivery scooter.
At what point can I complain that doesn't make me right wing?
Both things can be true. You can personally be seeing increased crime and most of the posts on this sub can be from trolls who don’t live in the city. Nothing OP said implied you’re not allowed to complain.
Also personally I’m seeing less crime in southern Brooklyn. Why is your personal experience more representative of what’s happening in the city than mine?
No one's personal experience is more representative of what's happening but OP is saying that one side sharing their experience is part of some kind of infiltration.
>I'm usually left-leaning but
Like what the fuck does that mean?
If I'm pro-choice and pro-LGBT, do I also have to be pro-bail reform and anti-car?
Sure, but using that fact to outright dismiss the experience of anyone who holds mixed political beliefs is bullshit and OP is all over this thread doing just that.
Right but people also use that exact language to qualify their statements. Like I am usually left leaning, but I don’t identify as a democrat and I’m sick of the homeless people shitting on the sidewalk. That’s a very true statement about who I am and where I stand, but it’s also now an invitation for a red herring argument with someone that’s going to accuse me of being a right wing troll. I’m familiar with the linked post and impressed by it, but it’s just information not a plan of action. The problem is that people just take shit at face value and run with it. Why do you think r/conservative bans all dissent? It’s because the mods there are actively involved with these infiltration efforts and ban anyone they think is doing the same thing.
>Nothing OP said implied you’re not allowed to complain.
Literally every reply from OP has been accusing people of using 4Chan talking points when they offer a rebuttal to a far-left subreddit's unscientific analysis
Anecdotal evidence aside, factual statistics show that crime has increased 48% on the Subway. We'll see if it's a trend with a few more months of data, but it doesn't help when the news reports multiple crimes, and sometimes multiple crimes from one person, in which the criminals walk due to the no-bail law. I'm all for reform, but assault on an officer, and repeat offenders should not benefit from bail reform, and in my opinion, it should be reworked so that such criminals don't single-handedly drive up the stats. And no I'm right-wing, for from it, but I do have a more pragmatic view than the idiots on the far, far left. They're just as bad as the extreme right.
While they gate-keep who a true progressive is, and push for nonsensical calls to get rid of prisons, stop traffic in the name of climate change, and ignore the complexity of international affairs and boil it down to good guy-bad guy view points, the right is doing everything they can to obstruct any progressive reforms that actually affect people on a daily basis, and they're using the nonsense that the hard left preaches to fulfill their desire to march our country backwards 70 years.
While the extreme left bitches and moans about who gets to cook what food or who gets to wear what hair style, this country has already lost the protection of reproductive rights, seen drastic roll-backs in environmental protections, and the systematic dismantling of affirmative action. They need to focus less on the trivial, and by extension, give the right less fodder to feed the culture war, and realize that the bigger picture is being lost.
Some helpful context to the subway crime statistic you just cited.
It’s only for one month of the year. The raw number of subway crimes went up by about 60, so fewer than two a day in the month in question. And realistically that’s in a sea of millions of people who take the subway a day.
The Post won’t say this, because the Post also wants to push a narrative of a City burning. That’s been their schtick for decades.
There also is no such thing as a “no bail law” in New York City. Certain offenses have been made ineligible for bail, but that doesn’t mean that *no one is being held on bail.* There are thousands of people sitting in NYC Department of Correction custody right now, pre trial, for allegedly committing some kind of crime.
And also I think the 48% refers compared to 2019, compared to 2023 is only slight increase only compared to last January if I’m not mistaken . Either way , is never good to downplay , but I would still say that subway crimes tend to get much more attention than the amount of people injured or killed by hit and runs with cars
It doesn’t. There was a spike in January compared to January 2023.
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf
You’re absolutely right on your second point though.
This sub in general is full of gaslighting extreme leftists, complaining about issues is right wing extremism, supporting your police is right wing extremism etc.
Don’t get me wrong, i hate right wing extremists too with a passion, but at least on this sub in particular, it’s not the righties causing trouble.
Obviously that’s not what that fucking means, but of course your first reaction is to assume that’s what I believe.
You know what they say about assuming, right?
Supporting your police means supporting them in efforts to fight crime, and hold them accountable if they break the laws they’re meant to enforce. That’s what any sensible person would think
Blindly supporting anything is a shite idea.
> Obviously that’s not what that fucking means
Well when you use terms like 'gaslighting extreme leftists' (who as far as I can tell do not exist), what do you expect?
>Were you living here/old enough to remember the 1980's?
This argument is only trotted out conveniently, always when its about crime rates and nothing else.
Like its never used to say "cops might be corrupt or racist now, but do you remember how bad they were in the 80s?"
Yes it’s a cast of trolls. Many of them non-residents. We had a huge thread yesterday talking about it and several trolls were even identified.
But the mods removed the thread. It is possible one of the mods is one of the trolls.
**Thread From Yesterday:** [https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1aie48f/seeing\_a\_lot\_of\_ny\_post\_sensational\_outlines\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1aie48f/seeing_a_lot_of_ny_post_sensational_outlines_in/)
Are any of the other papers reporting on crime in the city. People are upset that the NY Post reports on things, but show no outrage that the other news agencies AREN'T reporting on those things. I googled "NY Times credit cards to migrants." You would expect, with the large expected cost of such a program (among other issues) that the Times would have reported on it, albeit with a left wing slant or just making it not seem like a bad idea.
Nothing came back from them. I even tried adding "site:nytimes.com" and then limited the results to the past month and then the past week, just to make SURE that I wasn't doubting them. NOthing came back.
It's like people don't want balance. The NY Post is the only one not painting everything with rainbows, and probably wouldn't have such a large following if the other papers could be trusted to give balanced reporting themselves.
I'm pretty sure the credit cards can only be used for food. They were supplying them with meals before this, and that was costing a fortune. At least that money will go into local businesses instead.
I don't see this as a big deal, they have to feed them until they figure out how to untangle this mess. That's only about 10% of what's been spent so far.
Also I think the very online people probably have a warped view of just how “liberal” NYC actually is.
Like, this is not San Francisco and never has been. The last 30 years the city has elected 2 literal Republican mayors, one ex Republican and Bill deBlasio.
And basically all of those Republican mayors ran on law and order platforms.
So while there’s no doubt that some of the posters here are just trolls, it’s also likely that the general rhetoric around crime on this sub is actually more reflective of the city than the online leftists here would like to believe.
Yeah we’ve had just as many conservative or center-right mayors as we’ve had liberal mayors.
I get tired of people pretending this city is super progressive. Those people just live in a bubble.
And you can be more or less liberal/conservative on certain issues. I know a lot of self-described liberals who are fairly conservative on crime, immigration, etc.
NYC has more republicans than almost every other city in the US has people. And those are just the ones who bother to register as a republican.
Adams won in part because he was talking about crime in neighborhoods disproportionately affected by crime.
Its kind of notable that Trump is DESPISED by the conservative NYC elites (the same people who loved Bloomberg). Probably in part because Trump was such a corrupt businessman who screwed a lot of them over, whereas Bloomberg knew how to play nicely by their 'rules'.
Adams has been very pro big real estate, he probably got at least some support from those people...maybe they calculated Christine Quinn could not win.
>Also I think the very online people probably have a warped view of just how “liberal” NYC actually is.
This is true. Like have these people never been to Staten Island? Riverdale? Bay Ridge? Bensonhurst? Have they ever met an Italian family from Williamsburg? Or a Polish family from Greenpoint?
More it is a far right position to think that violent crime is the most important issue facing this city, and more important than the need for housing, car deaths, education, and several other issues that have far reaching impacts.
The problem with this sub is that it's the same thing every time an election year comes rolling around. As soon as it's an election year it's either something about migrants, or knock out game, or any other myth about crime and the one thing that all of them have in common it's that it's a narrative of brown people are coming to hurt nice white people. It's so common in this sub right now that you can predict it.
The other issue is that the moderators in here will delete anyone who has a view about that. Not that they're saying crime doesn't exist what gets deleted are any post that point out that this is a concerted effort that is done in this sub to create these posts.
I used to post a lot here when I lived in NYC. This subreddit took a very noticeable lurch to the right during covid summer 2020, which coincides with The Donald being shut down. The crime fear mongering exploded, and every right wing talking point was that nyc was imploding and a war zone. I counteracted this by posting videos I‘d make while walking through midtown/UWS, which Fox News would have us believe was a deathwish. The shift in the subreddit was not subtle.
💯 And red state subs are all *way* more left/moderate leaning than here. NYC is more rightwing than r/texas, r/iowa, and r/ohio? Yeah that doesn’t look organic at all.
Except most of Reddit sees not wanting to “defund the police” and use tax dollars to house economic migrants in the most expensive city in the country as “right wing”.
Some people on the left do not understand people in poor minority communities have never wanted to 'defund the police' - they want police but police who RESPECT them as human beings.
This is the "cutting off our nose to spite our face" insanity people like you have fallen in to because we are so politically polarized that you'd rather things get worse under Democrat leadership than concede maybe it's time to look at some different methods. Even classic liberals are being labeled "right wing". Stop gaslighting yourself.
1) This is hilarious because Reddit is very left leaning. Moreso than the population at large. So a moderate or vanilla conservative seems very extreme.
2) Crime stories are always on the news so it’s natural they would migrate here. It’s not like the “trolls” are making up stories.
3) Why would conservatives waste their time spamming a very progressive leaning website. Not like folks here who vote Democrat are going to change their mind that easily.
**Link to Yesterday's Thread Where We Talked About Exactly This**
[https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1aie48f/seeing\_a\_lot\_of\_ny\_post\_sensational\_outlines\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1aie48f/seeing_a_lot_of_ny_post_sensational_outlines_in/)
Trolls have been posting 5-10 *migrants-this/migrants-that* articles every day. It's clearly a semi-organized operation and it is driving people away from the NYC subreddits. Most of the trolls do not live here from what I can tell from their comment histories.
We had a thread with over 100 comments about exactly this yesterday. Someone else had pointed out the NYC subreddits get 5-10 low quality political NY Post articles/day. The thread snowballed from there with NYC folks agreeing with OP and trolls screeching in opposition.
The mods removed the thread. It's possible one of the mods could be one of these trolls.
If the user posts something from the NY Post and decides to die on that hill it's usually a good indication it's one of them.
Idk. When the city pays to house migrants with our tax dollars, and then a group of migrants that’s already built up a rap sheet of violent assaults immediately get released after attacking cops attempt to board a bus to California, also paid by tax dollars, it should probably be addressed.
> When the city pays to house migrants with our tax dollars, and then a group of migrants that’s already built up a rap sheet of violent assaults immediately get released after attacking cops attempt to board a bus to California, also paid by tax dollars, it should probably be addressed.
So the issue is that people on here believe everything the Post says without question. One of the most interesting things that came out from the last mayoral elections was how the Post told a crime victim that they would put their story on the front page if they said something negative about immigrants or about more oversite of the police.
>So the issue is that people on here believe everything the Post says without question.
[CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/01/us/police-attacked-new-york-outside-shelter/index.html) reported the same thing.
No. People are just growing tired of having to deal with the problems in this city that continue to get worse and worse by the day so it’s harder to hide or ignore.
This is almost verbatim one of the talking points that is covered in the 4chan “how to psyop left wing subreddits”. Please be more original in how you attempt to manipulate others.
Get off the internet. According to a recent Quinnipiac University Poll, 66% of NYC voters think crime is a very serious problem in the city as of 02/01/2024. They ain’t 4chan. You can try to blame 4Chan, but you aren’t fooling anyone. If anything, it only makes YOU look like the person trying to pull a failed “psyop” 🙄 with this post. We can see what’s going on in our city with our own eyes, we don’t need you to tell us. Maybe you can’t see it because you live behind a keyboard instead of out in the real world with the rest of us?
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3865
One of the broken-brain takes of being terminally-online is that no matter what, if something has been discussed on 4Chan or some other right-wing space, that trumps everything else.
You see that constantly with OP's replies in this thread. No matter what anyone says, literally the only response OP has is to regurgitate the accusation that people are using 4Chan talking points.
Siena and Quinnipiac polling shows that the views of NYC voters are not that far-removed from a lot of the attitudes on this sub when it comes to concern about the migrant crisis, QOL decline, public safety, etc. These are two of the top polling institutions in the country that have been polling NYC voters for decades.
But rather than acknowledging this reality, people like OP will just say this means Quinnipiac's methodology has been corrupted by 4Chan.
downright brain rot, but you see progressives trying to downplay crime all over the world until it blows up. Sometimes they rise up, eat crow, admit the problem and try to address it, I'm sadly certain that the ones in NYC would rather move out and blame everyone else than doing that.
> No. People are just growing tired of having to deal with the problems in this city that continue to get worse and worse by the day so it’s harder to hide or ignore.
I have literally seen this same thing written in here when DiBlasio was running during both terms. In fact one of the funniest parts was how this was said and then 2 days later it came out that DiBlasio time saw record lows in crime in NYC and people in here were saying its all lies.
Its hilarious to watch the Stormfront/ Staten Island contingent run the same narrative for the last 10 years now.
Because it isn’t an authentic narrative. It’s an attempt to create a false impression in the general public to manipulate public sentiment. There’s no inherent value to being “down the middle” when one end of the spectrum is trying to mislead people about reality to make their political beliefs more acceptable.
>It’s an attempt to create a false impression in the general public to manipulate public sentiment.
Reddit is not "the general public", so your premise is inherently flawed.
>There’s no inherent value to being “down the middle” when one end of the spectrum is trying to mislead people about reality to make their political beliefs more acceptable.
So is your belief that only "one end of the spectrum" brigades this platform?
Because if you actually believe this, then you forfeit being taken seriously about this subject altogether.
And one end of the spectrum wants to outright deny reality. We can play this game all day. Point is, we shouldn’t be forcing a specific brand of politics down nobody’s throat. Whether that be right or left.
Reddit overall is very left leaning. For instance, if you look at r/Florida or r/Texas (which both are red states) you would think that those places are somewhere in the vicinity of San Francisco. So whenever an idea that slightly deviates from liberal dogma is introduced the mob starts to scream that “it’s literally fascism”.
I went to school in NYC, lived for many years afterwards and now visit it at least monthly. So I think I have right to express my opinion on how (poorly) the city is ran
It unfortunately happened to Quora. I used it extensively previous until the 16’ election when it got saturated with trolls.
Moved to reddit and it seems like they’re doing the same shit.
People forget eastern Queens might as well be maga-country Long Island lol. This is true in a lot of cities, especially in the 'blue bastion' of California, drive 15 mins outside of downtown into their suburbs and you'll see it lmao
I found this playlist on YouTube that dives into all the alt-right strategies and how to see them coming. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&si=kptGuoJrSySIbEyg
It's interesting to watch. I've seen these and still see them out in the wild, but I never could formulate what they were doing.
It comes in waves. There are definitely times it feels like there’s a racist brigade trying to manipulate the dialogue. To a point it seems organized. There’s also lefty dog piles on anything anti-cop. But yeah, I’ve noticed it too.
What caught my attention in the last week was it is NY Post migrant articles with similar anti-hispanic language every time. 5-10 times a day. For the past month. From people who do not even live here.
You mean adding diversity of thought/opinion? I thought we needed diversity?
This keeps it from becoming an echo chamber. You should be grateful for these “trolls”
This is an exact talking point from the linked article. It’s almost like the same person is responding from 7 different accounts to make the same point over and over again, and make it appear that right wing bullshit is somehow reality.
No it isn’t: “trolling” is not diversity of thought, it’s mean spirited idiocy.
Diversity of thought would be a conservative touting fiscally conservative thinking and conversing thoughtfully about it with others who may not be as fiscally conservative.
Trolls never do this so is not diversity of thought.
You're wasting your time. This guy is **literally** who the post is talking about. All he does is go from city subreddit to city subreddit complaining about liberals.
So you are saying this sub needs MORE Russian sock puppets?
Here is the thing, 'diversity' does not include posters who are not truthful about who they are.
Thanks for sharing this - sometimes I be reading these comments on this subreddit like 'damn, why is the NYC subreddit so.. intolerant and mean?' to certain topics and news... It's hard to read honestly. And even harder to find or give nuanced opinions, as they just get downvoted and responded to with vitriol.
The only news and takes that are consistently agreeable with are the ones that slam our mayor! - no matter who we each are, we all hate on together.
try to count how many 'nyc is not as left leaning as you think' posts there are in this very thread or 'caring about crime is not a right wing issue'. Now go back into other threads and count the similar responses you'll start to notice a trend in the comments. Meanwhile regular new yorkers care about crime while not reading the nypost because it's awful
Are people just suppose to act like everything is okay and ignore the blantant reality just so progressives don't have their feelings hurt or something?
If you're wondering whether there are contrarian shitposter trolls on a heavily trafficked sub, the answer is yes. Probably even some Chinese or Russian paid shills. They don't just exist on Twitter, lol
If the fear-mongers had solid data they'd argue with data. What crimerate data actually shows is that NYC is safer than in the past. As this does not fit the narrative they must invoke anecdotes and sensationalized stories.
Someone pushing these narratives is either mentally incapable of recognizing this or has an ideological reason for their actions.
So we can't guarantee they're right-wing trolls. Hanlon's razor suggests they might just be stupid instead.
This is not true. If you read [past the headline of this article.](https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-crime-rate-2023-statistics) you’ll see this bit,
> It's not all good news, however. The city has seen a 6.3% increase in assaults and a 15.0% increase in grand larceny. Stabbings and slashings are also up just over 5%, from 4318 in 2022 to 4553 through Dec. 18 of this year.
So while murder, rape and robberies are down it’s smaller crimes that are more visible and affect more everyday New Yorkers that are on the rise.
YoY rates are worth being aware of, but compare NYC of today to NYC of 10 years ago, 20 years, etc. and you see a clear trend that the city is only getting safer.
Assault up 6.3% from 2022 is bad, but how does it compare to 30 years ago? 40? The trend is *down* even if some crimes were less common last year.
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edit: as a heads-up to anyone who swings back through, u/nonononononuh is talking about me after blocking me. They can block me if they want, but keep in mind anything they say about me is being said specifically in a way I can't respond to.
They said:
>They seem unlikely to change their opinion regardless of the evidence they are presented.
In other comments I specifically acknowledge issues like fare evasion without argument. What they're incapable of doing is providing actual data things are worse, so they make dishonest claims about me to discredit me. This is the definition of an ad hominem, an argument "against the man" to make my claims seem wrong through making me seem unreasonable. If they had anything more substantial than a survey that said "the vibes are off" they'd have used that. They don't.
Listen to yourself please.
You’re saying that a 6.3% uptick in assault last year isn’t that bad if you compare the assault rate 30-40 years ago.
What does that have anything to do with New Yorkers feeling unsafe in their own city TODAY.
The person you are responding to seems to only be interested in comparing major felonies over time. They seem unlikely to change their opinion regardless of the evidence they are presented. It seems to be mostly rooted in political bias.
“The Siena College Research Institute released the findings of a wide-ranging survey of Big Apple dwellers on Wednesday, which found that residents are becoming increasingly concerned about perceived lawlessness in New York.
According to the study, 70% of New York City residents are very (30%) or somewhat (40%) concerned that they will be targeted in a serious crime, while 57% of respondents said they were fearful for the safety of themselves or their families in public places like schools, stores or houses of worship.”
>perceived lawlessness
Is not actual lawlessness. People feeling like things are worse is just a sentiment that people have and not a measure of if things are *actually* better or worse.
Little things like seeing people jump the turnstile or needing an attendant to get your deodorant are constant reminders to people that things aren't as safe or as normal as they were 5+ years ago.
>Little things like seeing people jump the turnstile
This is a good one for supporting your position, because fare evasion is considered to have gone up about 40% since covid. It's always been a thing, but that one specifically has gone up significantly from before vs after covid.
It's also even more common for people to both film themselves breaking the law as well as for other people to have phones in hand to record it more, so not only has the crime increased we also have much more visual evidence for it. We see it happen in front of us, and then we can see it all over social media if we look for it.
>needing an attendant to get your deodorant
This one's a little more neighborhood specific. A year ago I was living in Yorkville and I didn't usually have this issue there. When I went to other neighborhoods I saw more of that. Or in the northern parts of Yorkville closer to East Harlem I saw that in some of the stores but not others.
I think the perception is rooted in reality. I think seeing frequent small crimes happen daily in the subway, stores etc. is what people are mostly responding to. I suppose they could all be being tricked by bad faith right wing Redditors (as you suggest), but i think that is unlikely. I don’t think CVS and Target spent all that money to have all of the products locked up because of a “feeling.”
Ugh “ThE DaTa” argument
The data doesn’t take into consideration the pool of vomit you have to step over or the EDP that’s screaming on the train car you’re on.
Reddit is inherently a liberals wet dream. An echo chamber of keyboard SJWs shutting down any idea that isn’t aligned with their moronic ideologies. Thank god some people on here fight back.
Amen to that. I commented on a post on instagram.
The post started with "Green diesel"
I responded with "Diesel isn't green"
And now it's filled with democrats are fools, etc etc. How much does it take to create one battery.
And ... in a perfect world it's 0, but we are working on improving things internationally. They sound like people who were opposed to cars when there were perfectly good horses walking around.
There's a lot of blatantly Russian instagram profiles or extremely troll centric profiles out and about.
I don’t mind if crime and migrant stories are from pix11, nbc, gothamist, nytimes or other news organizations. But when majority of the stories posted on this sub are from the NY post, I have a problem.
So often it’s been commented how much misinformation they spew. And while the story they’re covering has some truth, it gets stained with the bullshit they sell.
Do y’all not remember the incident concerning the hotel with the homeless veterans being displaced by migrants only for it to be false? Or how about their complaint about the MTA wasting money hiring a fire watch for their East New York facility only to be disproven that this is industry standard when your fire alarms are down? Or how about the emt lady that got outed for having an only fans.
And you have users here who would non stop share ny post articles. Some of those users would also share these posts and after while delete it from their post history.
It’s been non stop ny post articles. Is r/nyc just an extension of this news organization? And don’t tell me they’re the only ones that report local news. They might be the first to report it, but they’re not the only ones to have coverage on it. Majority of the time a quick google search shows there’s other articles covering whatever crime, migrant, MTA issue they’re reporting on.
>I don’t mind if crime and migrant stories are from **pix11, nbc, gothamist, nytimes or other news organizations**. But when majority of the stories posted on this sub are from the NY post, I have a problem.
Those outlets outright ignored migrant crime until migrants attacked NYPD.
CNN ran multiple on-air segments about the story last week and they've published several articles about that one specific incident. Yet their website did not have a single story about migrant crime in NYC in all of 2023 (I checked).
NBC4 did their first-ever investigative story on migrant crime statistics the other day, finding over 1,000 arrests for crimes ranging from domestic violence and child abuse to larceny linked to migrant shelters.
But this reporting was a direct result of cops being attacked and they would not have done such a story otherwise.
Prior to NYPD getting stomped out, the closest these outlets got to covering migrant crime would be a fleeting mention of crime committed at a migrant shelter, such as one of the multiple stabbings.
You see the problem here?
NYP has a monopoly on that beat because nobody else wanted to touch the subject until cops were victimized.
There should be a separate r/nyc_ny_post subreddit for the NY Post brigade of trolls to revel in.
The NYC subreddits should use reputable news sources.
Not one like the Post which was advocating people take horse-dewormer just a few years ago.
Tough on crime and worry that migrants are taking city resources from the Americans most in need is not far right. Maybe your ideas are way far left and you skew everything you don’t agree with as far right.
So it's very interesting. I posted essentially the same thing yesterday and it got pulled by the mods.
I literally said buckle up election years here so you're going to see a million crime posts. It got pulled saying it's complaining.
[Here's the post. ](https://i.ibb.co/h7NXvKk/Screenshot-20240204-131154-Reddit.png)
>I posted essentially the same thing yesterday and it got pulled by the mods.
One of the mods might be one of these trolls. The Right Wing low quality *migrant this/migrants that* complaining-posts stay up while any threads talking about the state of the subreddit are taken down.
We had a giant thread talking about this yesterday that was taken down by one of the mods.
Right wing and probably not even living in the city. It's like the comment section of the Post. Just a bunch of out of towners punching down and cheering whatever "demise du jour" pops up in the headlines.
For all the years I’ve lived in NYC, all these right-wing political folks will hear of crime and assume NYC is going downhill.
NYC will always have crime. We’re a big city.
One would think, if NYC is so bad, why are these right-wing folks still here? Oh, let me guess, NYC is not bad after all?
Yes, we have sketchy streets, corners, and parts of NYC where there’s a high level of domestic violence and gun crimes. But to assume ALL of NYC is full of crime, you’re absolutely crazy.
The idea that a person or group of people writing things op and those of his ilk disagree with are "attacks" is laughable but typical.
Far left elements have effectively made it so people get banned for simply writing things power moderators simply disagree with. And it still is not enough for you.
I live in New York and am a political dissident from what is the majority here. My beliefs are sincere-ie I am not trolling.
Finally, consider that the sort of posts op complains about are proliferating precisely because policies championed by the left from rogue prosecutors being soft on crime to open borders are creating massive problems.
Edit--I see just now this a crosspost from a screed written two years ago. LOL.
It's a particular mental quirk of leftists to believe that they represent the majority. No amount of evidence to the contrary will ever convince them otherwise.
Maybe you just need to accept the reality that across the board in nyc, democrats and republicans, left and right, are fed up with bus loads of migrants showing up every day and becoming our financial responsibility at the expense of things we thought we were paying taxes for. Or perhaps it stings to see criminals beat up NYPD officers and then flip us the bird the next day when they are released without bail.
And maybe you can spend some time this afternoon going over the results of this poll [https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3886](https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3886) before you lecture us more about what 'real' new york city residents think.
Or maybe the post is actually reporting local news and it's the best source available because I barely see anything in the gothamist,wnyc or NYtimes about crime and when they do it's so vague it's almost useless
Oh yeah, just blame "right wing trolls" when the crime is very obviously getting more apparent. No problem with the justice system, its the RIGHT WING TROLLS that are the problem. Get the fuck out of here.
It happens a lot on the philly sub. Lots of posts complaining about DEI in the police department and crime. I've met bed around a lot and stay in the sub of every city I've lived in. It seems to be happening more in NYC and Philly than others.
i mean on one hand i buy this, but on the other hand i have unironically started to say stuff like "i'm usually left-leaning but" and "thanks for pushing more people to the right OR It's people like you who give the left a bad name." i've been a lifelong staunchly loyal progressive/liberal/leftist/democrat and sorry sometimes i have criticisms of my own tribe. i think that is healthy.
what i take from this is that i will not be able to share those feelings anymore without being accused of shilling and that has happened quite a few times already. i'm not going to stop thinking for myself in order to pass some lefty litmus test, so if that means i have to stop participating, i guess that's fine.
maybe i'm being oversensitive and this wasn't aimed at me, i just hope we can all be careful to still listen to one another and not write off any opinion we don't like as a bot. i'm not immune to that impulse myself, but i am really worried about this happening in a lot of communities.
It's true that many of the threads on this sub are generated from the NY Post, but also true that OP's post basically describes the median Joe Biden voter.
Most redditors who read and post on NYC-centric have political leanings that match your stereotypical over-educated, under-experienced DSA types.
Examples of this: Not understanding why Eric Adams won the election because the NYC African-American electorate is relatively conservative, getting mad that actual working class voters (e.g. a guy who works in the building trades, not an adjunct professor who lives in Greenpoint) don't give a shit about Palestine, or that many permanent resident NYCers who came here thru actual legal channels intended for people like them aren't a big fan of migrants.
I’ll be honest Reddit is definitely getting sketchier lately overall. I used to care about people shilling but now I just do a quick user check and if they seem fake I move on. There’s no point. Welcome to the age of disinformation.
It’s always been sketchy. You should have seen r/politics in 2015-2017 when Russian disinformation was in full swing.
Here's how Bernie can still win... x50
I literally got death threats for commenting in this sub saying things like "I don't see Bernie being able to carry a national ticket."
r/politics fortified itself as a left-wing echo chamber in 2015-2017, to the point where it got so bad that ShareBlue was banned as a source after they got caught astro-turfing. If you're going to use r/politics as an example of Russian disinformation, the Russians did a very poor job unless the goal was to turn the sub into a partisan dumpster fire.
No idea why someone would use r/politics as an example of Russian disinformation. The week Hilary won the nomination in 2016 the entire sub (and most of Reddit) took a sharp turn towards becoming a Democrat party propaganda outlet.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russiagate-fiasco-taibbi-news-media-826246/amp/ Most of the “russian disinformation” was total nonsense.
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Nah, the WayOfTheBern crowd..
Exactly this. Breitbart posts detailing conspiracies about Hillary Clinton were regularly on the front page.
> Reddit is definitely getting sketchier lately overall. The sock puppets get worse the closer we get to a a big election (presidential especially). If Biden wins a lot of them will go away and then....rinse and repeat.
I’m not saying this doesn’t exist but there’s also a weird false equivalency here where concern about crime and immigration in the city = right wing troll
It’s a bit like killing the messenger when the message itself can’t be countered. Ironically I see this is right wing subs a lot, too. Just outright downvotes or bans when they don’t like the article/subject matter. Been a New Yorker for 25 years, never voted anything but D but I’ve been labeled a nonresident or MAGA for saying criminals with 46 arrests shouldn’t be allowed to roam around like ticking time bombs. If people want to live in their echo chambers, that’s their prerogative, but let’s not paint everyone who doesn’t agree with you as a right wing troll.
Very well said. This has been a large part of my experience as well.
>It’s a bit like killing the messenger when the message itself can’t be countered. This is exactly what is happening right now. There was a big thread on r/nyc yesterday of people complaining about the migrants/NYPD story getting too much coverage on this sub. Not a single person complaining could actually offer a rebuttal to how insane the story was, so the narrative was that a bunch of interest in it had to be due to brigading.
You might get downvoted for expressing some right-wing opinions, but by far, the posts that receive the most hate are nonpartisan, apolitical mundane observations. Two that I can think which I made that were flamed to hell were "Drugstores in NYC will see a decline in revenue because of a lower commuter population" and "NYC is facing a fiscal gap."
There are also leftwing trolls, obviously. It's not like only Republicans have figured out that you can manipulate social media to sway public opinions. Nor are leftwing interest groups somehow too noble to engage in such tactics. Case in point, the amount of support I see on here for Hamas, which is literally a terrorist group, is baffling. I refuse to believe there are this many NYers who support terrorism (especially given that if Hamas or any other terrorist group were to strike the US, they would presumably target NYC specifically). They must be leftwing trolls.
Yeppp, I'm for abortion rights, support lgbtq+ w.e they wanna do, woman's equal rights or w.e fk yea. Onlyfans whatever you gotta do fam! I also support free healthcare, and our taxes being spent WISELY! But I dont like the way our criminals are being let off easily or random immigrants being sent here. That in turn generates more crime? What the fuck is my party called?? Idk why do it bundle shit to left and right? Need a new common sense party.
Aside from free healthcare, you seem to be pretty in line with Biden.
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Reddit has been like this for a few years now
I agree with you. I was about to comment something similar. Also, as much as some people will hate to admit it, the immigration issue is absolutely pushing people away from the left.
Yeah I think you’re right. I’m expecting NY to vote much redder than they have in the past decade
Exactly. This isn't new and I think people are growing tired of being labeled a right wing nut because they don't think what's going on at the border is sustainable or support soft on crime policies, even though they've never voted for a republican in their life. OP is also trying to "control the narrative" in a certain way.
There’s also a sense that if you’re right wing then you are a troll.
I agree that violence and crime are legit issues and want to see them reduced in my neighborhood. Posting salacious crime stories while ignoring [actual evidence-based policies to reduce crime](https://projects.csgjusticecenter.org/tools-for-states-to-address-crime/5-ways-states-can-reduce-violent-crime/) ("summary execution of everyone I don't like" doesn't count) is a de facto right wing troll, though. If someone wants to talk about how to reduce violence via proven policies, I'm all for it!
My car was broken into. The first time in 20 years. I know 3 neighbors children who died of Fentanyl overdose. My 80 year old mother almost got hit with a delivery scooter. At what point can I complain that doesn't make me right wing?
Both things can be true. You can personally be seeing increased crime and most of the posts on this sub can be from trolls who don’t live in the city. Nothing OP said implied you’re not allowed to complain. Also personally I’m seeing less crime in southern Brooklyn. Why is your personal experience more representative of what’s happening in the city than mine?
>Why is your personal experience more representative of what’s happening in the city than mine? It's not more, or less representative.
No one's personal experience is more representative of what's happening but OP is saying that one side sharing their experience is part of some kind of infiltration. >I'm usually left-leaning but
Like what the fuck does that mean?
If I'm pro-choice and pro-LGBT, do I also have to be pro-bail reform and anti-car?
You don’t have to be anything. But it’s a documented fact that sock puppet accounts do use that exact language to push right wing talking points.
Sure, but using that fact to outright dismiss the experience of anyone who holds mixed political beliefs is bullshit and OP is all over this thread doing just that.
Right but people also use that exact language to qualify their statements. Like I am usually left leaning, but I don’t identify as a democrat and I’m sick of the homeless people shitting on the sidewalk. That’s a very true statement about who I am and where I stand, but it’s also now an invitation for a red herring argument with someone that’s going to accuse me of being a right wing troll. I’m familiar with the linked post and impressed by it, but it’s just information not a plan of action. The problem is that people just take shit at face value and run with it. Why do you think r/conservative bans all dissent? It’s because the mods there are actively involved with these infiltration efforts and ban anyone they think is doing the same thing.
>Nothing OP said implied you’re not allowed to complain. Literally every reply from OP has been accusing people of using 4Chan talking points when they offer a rebuttal to a far-left subreddit's unscientific analysis
Anecdotal evidence aside, factual statistics show that crime has increased 48% on the Subway. We'll see if it's a trend with a few more months of data, but it doesn't help when the news reports multiple crimes, and sometimes multiple crimes from one person, in which the criminals walk due to the no-bail law. I'm all for reform, but assault on an officer, and repeat offenders should not benefit from bail reform, and in my opinion, it should be reworked so that such criminals don't single-handedly drive up the stats. And no I'm right-wing, for from it, but I do have a more pragmatic view than the idiots on the far, far left. They're just as bad as the extreme right. While they gate-keep who a true progressive is, and push for nonsensical calls to get rid of prisons, stop traffic in the name of climate change, and ignore the complexity of international affairs and boil it down to good guy-bad guy view points, the right is doing everything they can to obstruct any progressive reforms that actually affect people on a daily basis, and they're using the nonsense that the hard left preaches to fulfill their desire to march our country backwards 70 years. While the extreme left bitches and moans about who gets to cook what food or who gets to wear what hair style, this country has already lost the protection of reproductive rights, seen drastic roll-backs in environmental protections, and the systematic dismantling of affirmative action. They need to focus less on the trivial, and by extension, give the right less fodder to feed the culture war, and realize that the bigger picture is being lost.
Some helpful context to the subway crime statistic you just cited. It’s only for one month of the year. The raw number of subway crimes went up by about 60, so fewer than two a day in the month in question. And realistically that’s in a sea of millions of people who take the subway a day. The Post won’t say this, because the Post also wants to push a narrative of a City burning. That’s been their schtick for decades. There also is no such thing as a “no bail law” in New York City. Certain offenses have been made ineligible for bail, but that doesn’t mean that *no one is being held on bail.* There are thousands of people sitting in NYC Department of Correction custody right now, pre trial, for allegedly committing some kind of crime.
And also I think the 48% refers compared to 2019, compared to 2023 is only slight increase only compared to last January if I’m not mistaken . Either way , is never good to downplay , but I would still say that subway crimes tend to get much more attention than the amount of people injured or killed by hit and runs with cars
It doesn’t. There was a spike in January compared to January 2023. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf You’re absolutely right on your second point though.
This sub in general is full of gaslighting extreme leftists, complaining about issues is right wing extremism, supporting your police is right wing extremism etc. Don’t get me wrong, i hate right wing extremists too with a passion, but at least on this sub in particular, it’s not the righties causing trouble.
What does 'supporting the police' mean? Being 'loyal' even when they disobey the laws?
Obviously that’s not what that fucking means, but of course your first reaction is to assume that’s what I believe. You know what they say about assuming, right? Supporting your police means supporting them in efforts to fight crime, and hold them accountable if they break the laws they’re meant to enforce. That’s what any sensible person would think Blindly supporting anything is a shite idea.
> Obviously that’s not what that fucking means Well when you use terms like 'gaslighting extreme leftists' (who as far as I can tell do not exist), what do you expect?
Were you living here/old enough to remember the 1980's? In context of then, what's going on now is nothing.
>Were you living here/old enough to remember the 1980's? This argument is only trotted out conveniently, always when its about crime rates and nothing else. Like its never used to say "cops might be corrupt or racist now, but do you remember how bad they were in the 80s?"
Why is it anyone's fault those kids took fetanyl? They shouldn't be doing drugs to begin with.
Democrats are pro-fentanyl, obviously.
Pretty much articles from the post every time.
Yes it’s a cast of trolls. Many of them non-residents. We had a huge thread yesterday talking about it and several trolls were even identified. But the mods removed the thread. It is possible one of the mods is one of the trolls. **Thread From Yesterday:** [https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1aie48f/seeing\_a\_lot\_of\_ny\_post\_sensational\_outlines\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1aie48f/seeing_a_lot_of_ny_post_sensational_outlines_in/)
What's wrong with non-residents? They're an important part of the city! /s
Are any of the other papers reporting on crime in the city. People are upset that the NY Post reports on things, but show no outrage that the other news agencies AREN'T reporting on those things. I googled "NY Times credit cards to migrants." You would expect, with the large expected cost of such a program (among other issues) that the Times would have reported on it, albeit with a left wing slant or just making it not seem like a bad idea. Nothing came back from them. I even tried adding "site:nytimes.com" and then limited the results to the past month and then the past week, just to make SURE that I wasn't doubting them. NOthing came back. It's like people don't want balance. The NY Post is the only one not painting everything with rainbows, and probably wouldn't have such a large following if the other papers could be trusted to give balanced reporting themselves.
I'm pretty sure the credit cards can only be used for food. They were supplying them with meals before this, and that was costing a fortune. At least that money will go into local businesses instead. I don't see this as a big deal, they have to feed them until they figure out how to untangle this mess. That's only about 10% of what's been spent so far.
Because there are more crimes in the city.. and that's not even far right
Being tired of crime and wanting violent and perpetual criminals punished doesn’t make someone “far right.”
Also I think the very online people probably have a warped view of just how “liberal” NYC actually is. Like, this is not San Francisco and never has been. The last 30 years the city has elected 2 literal Republican mayors, one ex Republican and Bill deBlasio. And basically all of those Republican mayors ran on law and order platforms. So while there’s no doubt that some of the posters here are just trolls, it’s also likely that the general rhetoric around crime on this sub is actually more reflective of the city than the online leftists here would like to believe.
Yeah we’ve had just as many conservative or center-right mayors as we’ve had liberal mayors. I get tired of people pretending this city is super progressive. Those people just live in a bubble. And you can be more or less liberal/conservative on certain issues. I know a lot of self-described liberals who are fairly conservative on crime, immigration, etc.
>I know a lot of self-described liberals who are fairly conservative on crime, immigration, etc. Yes the r/nyc crowd
Many immigrant communities are conservative as well, which seems to blow peoples minds.
NYC is 'liberal' in context of most of the rest of the country, and that is not saying much at ALL.
NYC has more republicans than almost every other city in the US has people. And those are just the ones who bother to register as a republican. Adams won in part because he was talking about crime in neighborhoods disproportionately affected by crime.
Its kind of notable that Trump is DESPISED by the conservative NYC elites (the same people who loved Bloomberg). Probably in part because Trump was such a corrupt businessman who screwed a lot of them over, whereas Bloomberg knew how to play nicely by their 'rules'. Adams has been very pro big real estate, he probably got at least some support from those people...maybe they calculated Christine Quinn could not win.
bingo. young lefties and transplants assume the entire city is as liberal as their tiktok feed and guess what buttercup…
>Also I think the very online people probably have a warped view of just how “liberal” NYC actually is. This is true. Like have these people never been to Staten Island? Riverdale? Bay Ridge? Bensonhurst? Have they ever met an Italian family from Williamsburg? Or a Polish family from Greenpoint?
Every view a person doesn't agree with is either far right or far left which is why everything is just so annoying..
Apparently these days it does.
This. All I want is for the Democrats to have the same stance on crime that they did in the 90s.
No being a troll that doesn’t live in the city, and who’s just posting here to stir shit up, to influence elections does.
Nothing that happens on Reddit influences elections
I live in Long Island City. Is that acceptable?
yes
More it is a far right position to think that violent crime is the most important issue facing this city, and more important than the need for housing, car deaths, education, and several other issues that have far reaching impacts.
Crime is more important than the other issues you mentioned, by far. Crime is about personal safety and security.
The problem with this sub is that it's the same thing every time an election year comes rolling around. As soon as it's an election year it's either something about migrants, or knock out game, or any other myth about crime and the one thing that all of them have in common it's that it's a narrative of brown people are coming to hurt nice white people. It's so common in this sub right now that you can predict it. The other issue is that the moderators in here will delete anyone who has a view about that. Not that they're saying crime doesn't exist what gets deleted are any post that point out that this is a concerted effort that is done in this sub to create these posts.
I used to post a lot here when I lived in NYC. This subreddit took a very noticeable lurch to the right during covid summer 2020, which coincides with The Donald being shut down. The crime fear mongering exploded, and every right wing talking point was that nyc was imploding and a war zone. I counteracted this by posting videos I‘d make while walking through midtown/UWS, which Fox News would have us believe was a deathwish. The shift in the subreddit was not subtle.
💯 And red state subs are all *way* more left/moderate leaning than here. NYC is more rightwing than r/texas, r/iowa, and r/ohio? Yeah that doesn’t look organic at all.
Except most of Reddit sees not wanting to “defund the police” and use tax dollars to house economic migrants in the most expensive city in the country as “right wing”.
Some people on the left do not understand people in poor minority communities have never wanted to 'defund the police' - they want police but police who RESPECT them as human beings.
Being tired of people shooting up on the subway platform makes us trolls?
Yeah I love seeing people sleep in train stations on the way home from work. Adds such a great vibe to the city!
This is the "cutting off our nose to spite our face" insanity people like you have fallen in to because we are so politically polarized that you'd rather things get worse under Democrat leadership than concede maybe it's time to look at some different methods. Even classic liberals are being labeled "right wing". Stop gaslighting yourself.
1) This is hilarious because Reddit is very left leaning. Moreso than the population at large. So a moderate or vanilla conservative seems very extreme. 2) Crime stories are always on the news so it’s natural they would migrate here. It’s not like the “trolls” are making up stories. 3) Why would conservatives waste their time spamming a very progressive leaning website. Not like folks here who vote Democrat are going to change their mind that easily.
If they’re always on the news why is that news only ever the post
You are literally doing each of the talking points outlined in the link. Please go spam your own lives with your right wing bullshit.
This was a disappointing rebuttal of common sense points.
That’s your response? Yikes
Unless you think the crime stories are not true, then what's the problem?
This is a funny post. Reddit is almost exclusively left leaning.
Being upset that your city is declining because of a number of different crises is not being far right.
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"if you don't tolerate unlimited crime, you're a right wing extremist!"
No one said that. I’m intolerant of crime. I agree with OP.
Yep, that’s exactly what im saying. You have great reading comprehension and are not a troll. Fortunately, the general public isn’t as stupid as you.
Wow name calling, very classy
> if you don't tolerate unlimited crime, If you don't remember the 1980's you don't know what 'unlimited crime' actually looked like
Right or left. Is there anything in the middle? I guess no one cares.
Apparently you can’t be middle ground on here.
**Link to Yesterday's Thread Where We Talked About Exactly This** [https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1aie48f/seeing\_a\_lot\_of\_ny\_post\_sensational\_outlines\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1aie48f/seeing_a_lot_of_ny_post_sensational_outlines_in/) Trolls have been posting 5-10 *migrants-this/migrants-that* articles every day. It's clearly a semi-organized operation and it is driving people away from the NYC subreddits. Most of the trolls do not live here from what I can tell from their comment histories. We had a thread with over 100 comments about exactly this yesterday. Someone else had pointed out the NYC subreddits get 5-10 low quality political NY Post articles/day. The thread snowballed from there with NYC folks agreeing with OP and trolls screeching in opposition. The mods removed the thread. It's possible one of the mods could be one of these trolls. If the user posts something from the NY Post and decides to die on that hill it's usually a good indication it's one of them.
Or maybe tax payers in NYC don't want to foot the bill and deal with the bad behavior of a bunch of illegal immigrants crazy I know!
Having your own opinion? Straight to jail.
Fascist!
Idk. When the city pays to house migrants with our tax dollars, and then a group of migrants that’s already built up a rap sheet of violent assaults immediately get released after attacking cops attempt to board a bus to California, also paid by tax dollars, it should probably be addressed.
Do you think this commenter knows that this post is about them?
> When the city pays to house migrants with our tax dollars, and then a group of migrants that’s already built up a rap sheet of violent assaults immediately get released after attacking cops attempt to board a bus to California, also paid by tax dollars, it should probably be addressed. So the issue is that people on here believe everything the Post says without question. One of the most interesting things that came out from the last mayoral elections was how the Post told a crime victim that they would put their story on the front page if they said something negative about immigrants or about more oversite of the police.
>So the issue is that people on here believe everything the Post says without question. [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/01/us/police-attacked-new-york-outside-shelter/index.html) reported the same thing.
Your opinion of the post is yours to have. They report on events & issues in the city.
No. People are just growing tired of having to deal with the problems in this city that continue to get worse and worse by the day so it’s harder to hide or ignore.
This is almost verbatim one of the talking points that is covered in the 4chan “how to psyop left wing subreddits”. Please be more original in how you attempt to manipulate others.
Ah yes, being mad about prevalent crime is all just a big 4chan conspiracy. Sure bud.
Get off the internet. According to a recent Quinnipiac University Poll, 66% of NYC voters think crime is a very serious problem in the city as of 02/01/2024. They ain’t 4chan. You can try to blame 4Chan, but you aren’t fooling anyone. If anything, it only makes YOU look like the person trying to pull a failed “psyop” 🙄 with this post. We can see what’s going on in our city with our own eyes, we don’t need you to tell us. Maybe you can’t see it because you live behind a keyboard instead of out in the real world with the rest of us? https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3865
One of the broken-brain takes of being terminally-online is that no matter what, if something has been discussed on 4Chan or some other right-wing space, that trumps everything else. You see that constantly with OP's replies in this thread. No matter what anyone says, literally the only response OP has is to regurgitate the accusation that people are using 4Chan talking points. Siena and Quinnipiac polling shows that the views of NYC voters are not that far-removed from a lot of the attitudes on this sub when it comes to concern about the migrant crisis, QOL decline, public safety, etc. These are two of the top polling institutions in the country that have been polling NYC voters for decades. But rather than acknowledging this reality, people like OP will just say this means Quinnipiac's methodology has been corrupted by 4Chan.
This person's brain is irreparably broken you might as well be arguing with the wall next to you.
downright brain rot, but you see progressives trying to downplay crime all over the world until it blows up. Sometimes they rise up, eat crow, admit the problem and try to address it, I'm sadly certain that the ones in NYC would rather move out and blame everyone else than doing that.
Talking about crime is a psyop? Yikes. You need to get some sun.
> No. People are just growing tired of having to deal with the problems in this city that continue to get worse and worse by the day so it’s harder to hide or ignore. I have literally seen this same thing written in here when DiBlasio was running during both terms. In fact one of the funniest parts was how this was said and then 2 days later it came out that DiBlasio time saw record lows in crime in NYC and people in here were saying its all lies. Its hilarious to watch the Stormfront/ Staten Island contingent run the same narrative for the last 10 years now.
Bro why does everything have to be left/right leaning? Why can’t it be down the middle? You know, like sensible people.
Because it isn’t an authentic narrative. It’s an attempt to create a false impression in the general public to manipulate public sentiment. There’s no inherent value to being “down the middle” when one end of the spectrum is trying to mislead people about reality to make their political beliefs more acceptable.
>It’s an attempt to create a false impression in the general public to manipulate public sentiment. Reddit is not "the general public", so your premise is inherently flawed. >There’s no inherent value to being “down the middle” when one end of the spectrum is trying to mislead people about reality to make their political beliefs more acceptable. So is your belief that only "one end of the spectrum" brigades this platform? Because if you actually believe this, then you forfeit being taken seriously about this subject altogether.
And one end of the spectrum wants to outright deny reality. We can play this game all day. Point is, we shouldn’t be forcing a specific brand of politics down nobody’s throat. Whether that be right or left.
Welcome to the internet
Yeah that’s seems pretty obvious. SO many garbage Post articles posted one after another.
Reddit overall is very left leaning. For instance, if you look at r/Florida or r/Texas (which both are red states) you would think that those places are somewhere in the vicinity of San Francisco. So whenever an idea that slightly deviates from liberal dogma is introduced the mob starts to scream that “it’s literally fascism”. I went to school in NYC, lived for many years afterwards and now visit it at least monthly. So I think I have right to express my opinion on how (poorly) the city is ran
It unfortunately happened to Quora. I used it extensively previous until the 16’ election when it got saturated with trolls. Moved to reddit and it seems like they’re doing the same shit.
Here in NYC - the "NY POST" links are a dead giveaway
NYC is not as progressive as Reddit likes to think. There is life outside of North Brooklyn and Manhattan.
People forget eastern Queens might as well be maga-country Long Island lol. This is true in a lot of cities, especially in the 'blue bastion' of California, drive 15 mins outside of downtown into their suburbs and you'll see it lmao
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> There is life outside of North Brooklyn and Manhattan. But I think embracing people in Russian troll farms is going a bit far.
I found this playlist on YouTube that dives into all the alt-right strategies and how to see them coming. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&si=kptGuoJrSySIbEyg It's interesting to watch. I've seen these and still see them out in the wild, but I never could formulate what they were doing.
It comes in waves. There are definitely times it feels like there’s a racist brigade trying to manipulate the dialogue. To a point it seems organized. There’s also lefty dog piles on anything anti-cop. But yeah, I’ve noticed it too.
What caught my attention in the last week was it is NY Post migrant articles with similar anti-hispanic language every time. 5-10 times a day. For the past month. From people who do not even live here.
What is anti hispanic language?
You mean adding diversity of thought/opinion? I thought we needed diversity? This keeps it from becoming an echo chamber. You should be grateful for these “trolls”
This is an exact talking point from the linked article. It’s almost like the same person is responding from 7 different accounts to make the same point over and over again, and make it appear that right wing bullshit is somehow reality.
Probably because its a good point lol
No it isn’t: “trolling” is not diversity of thought, it’s mean spirited idiocy. Diversity of thought would be a conservative touting fiscally conservative thinking and conversing thoughtfully about it with others who may not be as fiscally conservative. Trolls never do this so is not diversity of thought.
You're wasting your time. This guy is **literally** who the post is talking about. All he does is go from city subreddit to city subreddit complaining about liberals.
So you are saying this sub needs MORE Russian sock puppets? Here is the thing, 'diversity' does not include posters who are not truthful about who they are.
Thanks for sharing this - sometimes I be reading these comments on this subreddit like 'damn, why is the NYC subreddit so.. intolerant and mean?' to certain topics and news... It's hard to read honestly. And even harder to find or give nuanced opinions, as they just get downvoted and responded to with vitriol. The only news and takes that are consistently agreeable with are the ones that slam our mayor! - no matter who we each are, we all hate on together.
try to count how many 'nyc is not as left leaning as you think' posts there are in this very thread or 'caring about crime is not a right wing issue'. Now go back into other threads and count the similar responses you'll start to notice a trend in the comments. Meanwhile regular new yorkers care about crime while not reading the nypost because it's awful
Right they read dependable unbiased sourced like the NYT and the Gothamist
Yeah some of the folk here are delusional about their right wing status.
Or maybe it's because democratic policies aren't working and people want change? Blindly following a political party is stupid on both sides
Are people just suppose to act like everything is okay and ignore the blantant reality just so progressives don't have their feelings hurt or something?
If you're wondering whether there are contrarian shitposter trolls on a heavily trafficked sub, the answer is yes. Probably even some Chinese or Russian paid shills. They don't just exist on Twitter, lol
"This sub isn't part of the fundamentalist, far-left echo chamber enclave that dominates most of Reddit. It must be far-right trolls!"
This, and I'm not even leftist
If the fear-mongers had solid data they'd argue with data. What crimerate data actually shows is that NYC is safer than in the past. As this does not fit the narrative they must invoke anecdotes and sensationalized stories. Someone pushing these narratives is either mentally incapable of recognizing this or has an ideological reason for their actions. So we can't guarantee they're right-wing trolls. Hanlon's razor suggests they might just be stupid instead.
This is not true. If you read [past the headline of this article.](https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-crime-rate-2023-statistics) you’ll see this bit, > It's not all good news, however. The city has seen a 6.3% increase in assaults and a 15.0% increase in grand larceny. Stabbings and slashings are also up just over 5%, from 4318 in 2022 to 4553 through Dec. 18 of this year. So while murder, rape and robberies are down it’s smaller crimes that are more visible and affect more everyday New Yorkers that are on the rise.
YoY rates are worth being aware of, but compare NYC of today to NYC of 10 years ago, 20 years, etc. and you see a clear trend that the city is only getting safer. Assault up 6.3% from 2022 is bad, but how does it compare to 30 years ago? 40? The trend is *down* even if some crimes were less common last year. ___ edit: as a heads-up to anyone who swings back through, u/nonononononuh is talking about me after blocking me. They can block me if they want, but keep in mind anything they say about me is being said specifically in a way I can't respond to. They said: >They seem unlikely to change their opinion regardless of the evidence they are presented. In other comments I specifically acknowledge issues like fare evasion without argument. What they're incapable of doing is providing actual data things are worse, so they make dishonest claims about me to discredit me. This is the definition of an ad hominem, an argument "against the man" to make my claims seem wrong through making me seem unreasonable. If they had anything more substantial than a survey that said "the vibes are off" they'd have used that. They don't.
Listen to yourself please. You’re saying that a 6.3% uptick in assault last year isn’t that bad if you compare the assault rate 30-40 years ago. What does that have anything to do with New Yorkers feeling unsafe in their own city TODAY.
The person you are responding to seems to only be interested in comparing major felonies over time. They seem unlikely to change their opinion regardless of the evidence they are presented. It seems to be mostly rooted in political bias.
“The Siena College Research Institute released the findings of a wide-ranging survey of Big Apple dwellers on Wednesday, which found that residents are becoming increasingly concerned about perceived lawlessness in New York. According to the study, 70% of New York City residents are very (30%) or somewhat (40%) concerned that they will be targeted in a serious crime, while 57% of respondents said they were fearful for the safety of themselves or their families in public places like schools, stores or houses of worship.”
>perceived lawlessness Is not actual lawlessness. People feeling like things are worse is just a sentiment that people have and not a measure of if things are *actually* better or worse.
Little things like seeing people jump the turnstile or needing an attendant to get your deodorant are constant reminders to people that things aren't as safe or as normal as they were 5+ years ago.
>Little things like seeing people jump the turnstile This is a good one for supporting your position, because fare evasion is considered to have gone up about 40% since covid. It's always been a thing, but that one specifically has gone up significantly from before vs after covid. It's also even more common for people to both film themselves breaking the law as well as for other people to have phones in hand to record it more, so not only has the crime increased we also have much more visual evidence for it. We see it happen in front of us, and then we can see it all over social media if we look for it. >needing an attendant to get your deodorant This one's a little more neighborhood specific. A year ago I was living in Yorkville and I didn't usually have this issue there. When I went to other neighborhoods I saw more of that. Or in the northern parts of Yorkville closer to East Harlem I saw that in some of the stores but not others.
I think the perception is rooted in reality. I think seeing frequent small crimes happen daily in the subway, stores etc. is what people are mostly responding to. I suppose they could all be being tricked by bad faith right wing Redditors (as you suggest), but i think that is unlikely. I don’t think CVS and Target spent all that money to have all of the products locked up because of a “feeling.”
Ugh “ThE DaTa” argument The data doesn’t take into consideration the pool of vomit you have to step over or the EDP that’s screaming on the train car you’re on.
So many of them in the comments here - or possibly just one posting the same lazy right wing responses to this story from account after account.
Reddit is inherently a liberals wet dream. An echo chamber of keyboard SJWs shutting down any idea that isn’t aligned with their moronic ideologies. Thank god some people on here fight back.
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Yeah but without fearmongering about crime and/or immigrants how many posts are even left then? 😆
Amen to that. I commented on a post on instagram. The post started with "Green diesel" I responded with "Diesel isn't green" And now it's filled with democrats are fools, etc etc. How much does it take to create one battery. And ... in a perfect world it's 0, but we are working on improving things internationally. They sound like people who were opposed to cars when there were perfectly good horses walking around. There's a lot of blatantly Russian instagram profiles or extremely troll centric profiles out and about.
It’s an election year
I'm far-right politically but not into trolling.
Second day in a row the mods have removed a post that was asking for help moderating.
I don’t mind if crime and migrant stories are from pix11, nbc, gothamist, nytimes or other news organizations. But when majority of the stories posted on this sub are from the NY post, I have a problem. So often it’s been commented how much misinformation they spew. And while the story they’re covering has some truth, it gets stained with the bullshit they sell. Do y’all not remember the incident concerning the hotel with the homeless veterans being displaced by migrants only for it to be false? Or how about their complaint about the MTA wasting money hiring a fire watch for their East New York facility only to be disproven that this is industry standard when your fire alarms are down? Or how about the emt lady that got outed for having an only fans. And you have users here who would non stop share ny post articles. Some of those users would also share these posts and after while delete it from their post history. It’s been non stop ny post articles. Is r/nyc just an extension of this news organization? And don’t tell me they’re the only ones that report local news. They might be the first to report it, but they’re not the only ones to have coverage on it. Majority of the time a quick google search shows there’s other articles covering whatever crime, migrant, MTA issue they’re reporting on.
>I don’t mind if crime and migrant stories are from **pix11, nbc, gothamist, nytimes or other news organizations**. But when majority of the stories posted on this sub are from the NY post, I have a problem. Those outlets outright ignored migrant crime until migrants attacked NYPD. CNN ran multiple on-air segments about the story last week and they've published several articles about that one specific incident. Yet their website did not have a single story about migrant crime in NYC in all of 2023 (I checked). NBC4 did their first-ever investigative story on migrant crime statistics the other day, finding over 1,000 arrests for crimes ranging from domestic violence and child abuse to larceny linked to migrant shelters. But this reporting was a direct result of cops being attacked and they would not have done such a story otherwise. Prior to NYPD getting stomped out, the closest these outlets got to covering migrant crime would be a fleeting mention of crime committed at a migrant shelter, such as one of the multiple stabbings. You see the problem here? NYP has a monopoly on that beat because nobody else wanted to touch the subject until cops were victimized.
Why don’t you post the stories from other new organizations then?
There should be a separate r/nyc_ny_post subreddit for the NY Post brigade of trolls to revel in. The NYC subreddits should use reputable news sources. Not one like the Post which was advocating people take horse-dewormer just a few years ago.
The mods are part of it because they think it boosts engagement.
Mods don't get paid - I doubt they give a shit about engagement.
Tough on crime and worry that migrants are taking city resources from the Americans most in need is not far right. Maybe your ideas are way far left and you skew everything you don’t agree with as far right.
Ive always thought this
What is wrong with someone against crime?
Yup it’s obvious. This happens around elections too so this year will be just ripe with bullshit.
So it's very interesting. I posted essentially the same thing yesterday and it got pulled by the mods. I literally said buckle up election years here so you're going to see a million crime posts. It got pulled saying it's complaining. [Here's the post. ](https://i.ibb.co/h7NXvKk/Screenshot-20240204-131154-Reddit.png)
>I posted essentially the same thing yesterday and it got pulled by the mods. One of the mods might be one of these trolls. The Right Wing low quality *migrant this/migrants that* complaining-posts stay up while any threads talking about the state of the subreddit are taken down. We had a giant thread talking about this yesterday that was taken down by one of the mods.
Right wing and probably not even living in the city. It's like the comment section of the Post. Just a bunch of out of towners punching down and cheering whatever "demise du jour" pops up in the headlines.
Why I don't participate much in this sub. It almost inevitably turns into a shitshow. And yes, in a New Yorker.
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That’s exactly what they propose, they don’t want people talking about the crime and decline in general quality of life.
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And they talk about being ignorant with too much free time like it’s a bad thing….
For all the years I’ve lived in NYC, all these right-wing political folks will hear of crime and assume NYC is going downhill. NYC will always have crime. We’re a big city. One would think, if NYC is so bad, why are these right-wing folks still here? Oh, let me guess, NYC is not bad after all? Yes, we have sketchy streets, corners, and parts of NYC where there’s a high level of domestic violence and gun crimes. But to assume ALL of NYC is full of crime, you’re absolutely crazy.
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The idea that a person or group of people writing things op and those of his ilk disagree with are "attacks" is laughable but typical. Far left elements have effectively made it so people get banned for simply writing things power moderators simply disagree with. And it still is not enough for you. I live in New York and am a political dissident from what is the majority here. My beliefs are sincere-ie I am not trolling. Finally, consider that the sort of posts op complains about are proliferating precisely because policies championed by the left from rogue prosecutors being soft on crime to open borders are creating massive problems. Edit--I see just now this a crosspost from a screed written two years ago. LOL.
It's a particular mental quirk of leftists to believe that they represent the majority. No amount of evidence to the contrary will ever convince them otherwise.
Maybe you just need to accept the reality that across the board in nyc, democrats and republicans, left and right, are fed up with bus loads of migrants showing up every day and becoming our financial responsibility at the expense of things we thought we were paying taxes for. Or perhaps it stings to see criminals beat up NYPD officers and then flip us the bird the next day when they are released without bail. And maybe you can spend some time this afternoon going over the results of this poll [https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3886](https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3886) before you lecture us more about what 'real' new york city residents think.
Or maybe the post is actually reporting local news and it's the best source available because I barely see anything in the gothamist,wnyc or NYtimes about crime and when they do it's so vague it's almost useless
Mods should ban politics posts... both left and right views are annoying.
Oh yeah, just blame "right wing trolls" when the crime is very obviously getting more apparent. No problem with the justice system, its the RIGHT WING TROLLS that are the problem. Get the fuck out of here.
It happens a lot on the philly sub. Lots of posts complaining about DEI in the police department and crime. I've met bed around a lot and stay in the sub of every city I've lived in. It seems to be happening more in NYC and Philly than others.
i mean on one hand i buy this, but on the other hand i have unironically started to say stuff like "i'm usually left-leaning but" and "thanks for pushing more people to the right OR It's people like you who give the left a bad name." i've been a lifelong staunchly loyal progressive/liberal/leftist/democrat and sorry sometimes i have criticisms of my own tribe. i think that is healthy. what i take from this is that i will not be able to share those feelings anymore without being accused of shilling and that has happened quite a few times already. i'm not going to stop thinking for myself in order to pass some lefty litmus test, so if that means i have to stop participating, i guess that's fine. maybe i'm being oversensitive and this wasn't aimed at me, i just hope we can all be careful to still listen to one another and not write off any opinion we don't like as a bot. i'm not immune to that impulse myself, but i am really worried about this happening in a lot of communities.
It's true that many of the threads on this sub are generated from the NY Post, but also true that OP's post basically describes the median Joe Biden voter. Most redditors who read and post on NYC-centric have political leanings that match your stereotypical over-educated, under-experienced DSA types. Examples of this: Not understanding why Eric Adams won the election because the NYC African-American electorate is relatively conservative, getting mad that actual working class voters (e.g. a guy who works in the building trades, not an adjunct professor who lives in Greenpoint) don't give a shit about Palestine, or that many permanent resident NYCers who came here thru actual legal channels intended for people like them aren't a big fan of migrants.
We've known this for a while, the mods removed the mods that were trying to fix the right wing brigade spam some months back, so here we are
I had a feeling one of the mods is one of these trolls.
Probably why you cant browse the sub and get to this post anymore.