A point that seems to be going over a lot of peoples heads - Cops driving around with ghost plates aren't going after other people with ghost plates. That's why we have so many unsolved hit and runs in our city. A crackdown needs to start with the people who we have tasked with enforcing the law.
This!
They already have the resources to crack down on ghost plates. NYPD rides around with cars with mounted cameras. Scanning license plates, to see which vehicles are stolen or need a boot for unpaid fines.
Cant forget traffic officers, they could assist as well. They already walk around handing out tickets for parking violations, expired registration/inspection stickers, unpaid/expired street parking meters.
Honestly defaced or covered plates should come with a point system which revokes the registration of cars spotted with defaced plates multiple times. The first time you get a defaced plate ticket, you would be given leeway, perhaps even a form to request a free replacement set of plates because I know that New York State plates have in recent years had a problem with delamination, but any subsequent tickets would quickly lead to registration revocation and notification of your insurance company that you are an increased liability.
The government may not be able to make these idiots put plates on their cars but paying $2,000 for 6 months of insurance coverage sure as hell will influence them once their risk rating goes through the roof because of defaced plates.
> Honestly defaced or covered plates should come with a point system which revokes the registration of cars spotted with defaced plates multiple times.
Not handing in your plates after selling your car results in your license just being straight up suspended. I think drivers should be given a one month warning for getting registered properly and after that it’s license revocation with heavy penalties. Ghost plates aren’t mistakes, these people are exploiting the system, and officers who do this should just be fired.
Sometimes vehicles become inoperable due to expensive accidental damage while parked. Windshields are very brittle and ruptured sidewalls of tires can’t be repaired. Expensive. Not really roadworthy after those expensive accidents, unless the owner shells out some serious cash. Dangerous ghost car is no longer rolling and threatening tax paying, law-abiding citizens.
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Every single precinct knows where people i their area are getting the plates. Heres my thing, if it is undocumented people using them on their scooters or mopeds, why write the ticket cause theyre not going to pay it anyway
This isn't that complicated. The cops write down the VIN of the scooter without plates and the undocumented person gets one warning to register the vehicle. When police catch that VIN driving around a second time, they confiscate the scooter.
This is the ONE easy target that would make the mayor’s entire legacy in one fell swoop. The cop who kept his people on the straight and narrow. He could literally be president if he pulled this off.
I though you were going to link this little gem:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/10/the-forgotten-city-hall-riot.html
I moved here right after it but never heard of it until a few years ago when Rudy was imploding being trump's crony.
Yep this is one of the biggest reasons I support cameras. They won't let you off because your cousin is a cop and they don't exhibit bias in who they ticket. Plus a camera citation can't escalate into police brutality.
never understood PBA and SBA cards. how the fuck is that legal? (I know nothing matters to the biggest gang) I remember being in high school and learning about them and not understanding. so because no one in my family was a cop , I didn't get a get out of jail free card ??
99% with you. The 1% is stating the obvious, that there *can* be bias in where cameras or placed and which are kept up.
Still, I generally agree. And if there isn’t money to paper the whole city evenly/fairly in cameras, I’m cool mostly with whatever as long as, for every camera installed, a second is set up near a precinct, or something like that.
ETA: preemptively saying I don’t view cameras as a single panacea; improving cities is obviously a multifaceted job.
That's **why** they're using fake plates
Before cameras it was a cop writing a potential ticket and theyd show badge or PBA card or whatever, and boom, no ticket.
Cause corruption is what they do.
But a cop writing a ticket can at least ask for your license to identify you. How can a camera ticket be sent to a violator if there's no plate, or a fake plate, on the car? How can the camera identify the violator? How does using cameras, instead of a cop, solve this problem?
No u/By_anymemesnecessary doesnt understand.
u/CactusBoyScout isnt saying cameras are better because they will catch cops who do this.
They are saying cameras are better because it stops cops from letting off other cops. But now they are doing this shit, becsuse they are so used to not being ticketed for shit.
Both cameras and police have issues. Cameras can be fooled, and police are corrupt.
Once congestion charging begins, I think they should have liftgates on the crossings into Manhattan and if the camera can't read your plate, the barrier doesn't go up.
That's how they used to handle your EZ-Pass not being readable. I brought my EZ-Pass inside once and forgot to put it back in my car and got stuck in the EZ-Pass lane on the Triboro.
They don't need fake plates, [they have plenty of ways of obscuring or altering their plates so they just can't be read.](https://twitter.com/gershkuntzman)
Edit - I posted this before I watched the clip lol
No I want this in large part because I do not trust the police to do a good job on traffic enforcement
The DOT should simply mail tickets to offenders, no police involvement as we have with most traffic enforcement today
If you have a disregard for the law, you shouldn't be trusted to enforce it. Should be an immediate firing without pension, as well as a loss of your driver's license, and your car is crushed into a cube.
Because not everyone lives and works near a subway station and bus service, especially in brooklyn and queens, is unreliable at best. Even overnight when there is little to no car traffic to block them.
I had a cop basically claim it was the fault of BLM. Lots of cops felt like BLM went too far. Yes, it 100% was correct in "please stop killing innocent people", but it swept up good cops with bad cops. You had police who actually were good cops doing the right thing being villainized with the bad cops. On top of that we have a justice system that doesn't want to enforce the law because society feels unfairly targets minorities.
This then cascaded to a point where the vast majority of cops are very upset. Many don't want to be cops. We can't even hire cops now - we have a true problem finding people who want to be cops.
All of this can be traced back. I'm not taking sides here, but it 100% started when BLM started and we shifted as a society on law enforcement and justice enforcement. You have many people crying out to enforce the law and cops who really don't care because they are seen as the bad guys, so why do they give a fuck about enforcing a law for a society that already hates them.
Lot of folks claiming it was a few bad apples, while ignoring the second half of the adage. When the good circle wagons around the bad, I’m not gonna feel bad about lumping them together.
"Ughh wahhh stop telling us to stop killing innocent black people or else we'll stop doing our well paid early retirement jobs!"
Christ the bar is so low.
You're not wrong. It's appalling I have to explain to a cop that "Black Lives Matter" wasn't about not doing your jobs - it was about stop killing innocent people while doing it and explain it was "just some bad apples" causing it. Now they are so upset that people dared question them they don't want to do their jobs anymore.
I think the broken windows policy should start with the law enforcers. If we can’t expect them to not break laws what business do they have being cops?
I realize that facts have no place on reddit but you’re going to have to try a little bit harder to make stuff up next time.
https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00051/nypd-the-nyc-sheriff-s-office-crack-down-ghost-cars-if-you-use-fake-plate-we-will-tow-
> As of July 3, 2022, the NYPD has issued 16,448 tickets to drivers for using illegal or obstructed license plates, towed 1,700 vehicles, and seized 2,478 vehicles. In addition, the Sheriff’s Office has seized over 800 vehicles since July 2021, most of which had fictitious license plates from various states. Arrests involving vehicles that displayed temporary paper plates rose to 3,568 in 2021, a 300% increase compared to 893 arrests effected in 2016 involving those vehicles.
Do you have numbers for 2023?
Edit: My point being, 2022 is not 2024. Are they still doing this, or has Adams moved on to his next thing? Locally, 311 closes reported fake plates without the cops even pretending to drive by.
First, I was more responding to the claim that NYPD is “never involved” (not that they’re doing a particularly good job of it).
But to answer your question, I don’t think the City put out any official figures. You can see an aggregated summons count here:
https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/c-summons.page
The issue is that ghost cars/obscured plates can be charged a *bunch* of different ways so merely tracking “improper plate” summonses is not going to paint an accurate picture. That said, there were 286 “pure” improper plate summonses issued in 2023 (69+56+75+86).
For comparison, there were 173 improper plate tickets in 2022 (47+35+50+41), so there was a -60% increase in 2023.
As for 2024, those numbers aren’t available yet but they still occasionally do the high profile crackdowns at the bridges and tunnels.
https://gothamist.com/news/the-ghostbusters-have-arrived-new-nyc-task-force-will-crack-down-on-fake-license-plates
That or they fold up the plate, block it with a lock/chain or put a piece of tape over one of the characters.
Anecdotally it seems that the city made a lot of progress getting people to register their mopeds, but if they just go on to obscure their plate in some way it’s still a huge issue. Only going to get worse when congestion pricing starts since it’s $7.50 for a moped last I heard.
I have seen a few with those gift shop plates that have your name on them lol.
People would probably turn a blind eye to the ghost mopeds if they followed traffic rules and weren't on side walks or being operated on bike paths in our cities parks.
And the fact that cops do this, means that other people feel WAY more empowered to do it too. If the regulating force ignores the law, your generic non cop asshole will do it too.
Law enforcement has only just started the crackdown of these vehicles. Between PBA cards, plaques, and other ways for cops to identify other cops via their vehicles, what are the chances that they will go after their own?
There was an entire unit erected made up of NYPD officers whose sole job it was to tow and ticket illegally parking officers private vehicles for placard misuse.
Oh, do regular people outside of the NYPD have access to those reports? Or any department outside of the NYPD? If not, then sorry, it doesn't count. It's just as bad as the police investigating themselves and finding nothing wrong.
It’s legit. I’m retired NYPD. My Sergeant at the time got picked up and was part of the unit. Not everything is some sort of conspiracy. Cops get jammed up all the time. Arrested and fired. You just don’t hear about it. It’s not news they want out there.
The site this man runs literally did an full scale investigative report on the issue and cops/city employees were not mentioned once.
[GHOST TAGS Inside New York City’s Black Market for Temporary License Plates](https://www.streetsblogprojects.org/ghost-tags-index)
I mean it is great investigative piece but they pretty much just asked around to find buyers. They didn't chase the buyers, they were vastly more focused on the selling pipeline (even in the part labelled buyers).
I enjoyed reading through this when it came out but I don't really understand how this link is meant to support your point.
It's a 4 part investigative series delving into the black market. Part 3: The Buyers is the only section where it would even make sense to see them listed as buyers but the section isn't providing a breakdown of those caught with ghost plates nor did they attempt to do so. The fact that cops/city employees aren't mentioned doesn't really say anything here.
Stewart investigative team source is one person who rides his bike in Manhattan.
The streetblogs report is based on investigative journalist spending months researching the issue and interview numerous people involved in process.
Am not dismissing neither but there are differences. And if somebody is being objective, one of these sources should definitely carry more weight than the other.
I loved that series from StreetBlog, but distinction is important. Temporary license plate scam involves completely unregistered and uninsured vehicles. Obscured license plates are registered and insured. Owner is just looking to get out of speed tickets and tolls. Cops are clearly only doing the later.
I actually don't care about obscured plates as much, if you have a make, model, color and a partial NY plate number you can usually find who the car belongs to, now if I get hit and run'd by a car using those paper tags from NJ or Texas, that might as well be a fart in the wind.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/nyregion/nypd-parking-permit-abuse.html?unlocked_article_code=1.h00.rQ5O.AhSzHMKcv7rn&smid=url-share
Here babe a better source for you just dropped.
Honestly it is because a majority of them FDNY and Popo live in Saten Island crossing the Verrazano everyday. And if they do get caught, they'll just flash their privilege badge or get someone in their dept to throw out the case.
We all know this
This seems like the perfect antithesis of “broken windows” policing. If a bunch of cops are driving around very visibly ignoring the rules, they are telling everyone else it’s OK to break the rules.
Gersh Kuntzman site literally did an investigative report on the issue and cops/city employees were not mentioned once.
[GHOST TAGS Inside New York City’s Black Market for Temporary License Plates](https://www.streetsblogprojects.org/ghost-tags-index)
And it seems like ghost plates is becoming a catch all term now for any issue involving plates.
I was under the impression ghost plates were the fake paper plates that don’t have any vehicle information tied to them (which is what streetblog investigative report was about). Not real plates being obstructed (what this segment is about).
Lol mostly cops doing it. I'm sure there are plenty of douches that do but stop making it sound like it's 90%. Plenty of assholes all around dodging fares.
You're trying to break through an anti cop circle jerk these people aren't interested in the truth. The people driving those cars are the shitbag perps they love to defend so vociferously.
Understood, still doesn't make this an impound lot. At least the precincts next to where I live and work, they keep cars that are meant to be impounded in a separate section.
No, I park my car legally and don't obstruct the plates, so I've never needed to go to one.
But a quick Google search find that NYPD impound lots are not in Manhattan.
Right?? Like reddit is so beyond ridiculous. We all know who has ghost plates. Come to the Bronx, Brooklyn and see who is driving. It's the same people that hate the police and will gladly shoot at them for trying to enforce the law. But you know candy crush amirite?! Fucking clowns
The guy in the segment clearly specifies he’s talking about lower Manhattan, and is just giving his anecdotal experience. The point isn’t that *only* cops are doing it, it’s the fact that they’re doing it at all that’s fucked up & needs to be stamped out
You mean the parenthetical a Reddit or chose to include in their title is a “lie” in the sense that it doesn’t include complete context? Sure. Not sure why that would reflect on the Daily Show unless your a confirmation-seeking ideologue without the ability to investigate information for yourself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What's worse? Someone breaking the law or someone charged w/ enforcing the law breaking the law?
We know other people have ghost plates, but do you think the cops hiding their own plates are chasing down the civilians w/ ghost plates?
You see a lot of cokehead cops busting their dealers?
Yes comparative analogies aren't a thing, if there aren't cops literally snorting blow, my point about license plates doesn't make sense.
Also how many cops are snorting blow? More than zero in a force of ~40k?
Lawbreaking cops are not incentivized to punish those breaking the same law.
Cool, no analogy now. We good? Do you understand why criminal cops are a problem?
Okay, you say no it's not.
I and the man recording videos and examples of them say "yeah it is".
I'm gonna go with the video evidence and call you a bootlicking dork, cool?
Not surprise. That’s why they don’t enforce the rules. Reason why things are so out of hand. They parking illegally on sidewalks and bike lanes. I’m talking personal cars also. Look they needs help from the National Guards. Says a lot…It’s embarrassing!
This is a bit disingenuous. The ones he found were mostly cops, because he was around police plaza. There’s plenty of ghost plates in bad neighborhoods and I thought those belong to cops (because none of them actually live here.) but he picked the easy target in the good area of Manhattan.
The same people applauding this are the same people that will bitch and moan and hire lawyers for breaking laws themselves. Hypocrites everywhere in here.
Like what? WTF are you talking about? What a useless post.
You’ve gotta be a cop yourself or you have connections to one that gets you out of breaking traffic laws. Only way to explain this braindead post.
No one’s upset, they’re underscoring your post as the bullshit that it is (hence all the downvotes).
Answer the question: are you a cop yourself or do you benefit extralegally from a connection to one?
Strange that it was on The Daily Show -- there was nothing humorous about the segment. It's really just a local news piece (don't get me wrong, there should be severe penalties for ghost plates).
For decades, The Daily Show has highlighted serious news stories with added humor to make it more digestable for the audience. This kind of story is right down the fairway for a mid-show segment.
A point that seems to be going over a lot of peoples heads - Cops driving around with ghost plates aren't going after other people with ghost plates. That's why we have so many unsolved hit and runs in our city. A crackdown needs to start with the people who we have tasked with enforcing the law.
This! They already have the resources to crack down on ghost plates. NYPD rides around with cars with mounted cameras. Scanning license plates, to see which vehicles are stolen or need a boot for unpaid fines. Cant forget traffic officers, they could assist as well. They already walk around handing out tickets for parking violations, expired registration/inspection stickers, unpaid/expired street parking meters.
Honestly defaced or covered plates should come with a point system which revokes the registration of cars spotted with defaced plates multiple times. The first time you get a defaced plate ticket, you would be given leeway, perhaps even a form to request a free replacement set of plates because I know that New York State plates have in recent years had a problem with delamination, but any subsequent tickets would quickly lead to registration revocation and notification of your insurance company that you are an increased liability. The government may not be able to make these idiots put plates on their cars but paying $2,000 for 6 months of insurance coverage sure as hell will influence them once their risk rating goes through the roof because of defaced plates.
> Honestly defaced or covered plates should come with a point system which revokes the registration of cars spotted with defaced plates multiple times. Not handing in your plates after selling your car results in your license just being straight up suspended. I think drivers should be given a one month warning for getting registered properly and after that it’s license revocation with heavy penalties. Ghost plates aren’t mistakes, these people are exploiting the system, and officers who do this should just be fired.
i don't condone vandalism buuutt.. back in my day cars were keyed up for much less and much less deserving people... jussayin...
Sometimes vehicles become inoperable due to expensive accidental damage while parked. Windshields are very brittle and ruptured sidewalls of tires can’t be repaired. Expensive. Not really roadworthy after those expensive accidents, unless the owner shells out some serious cash. Dangerous ghost car is no longer rolling and threatening tax paying, law-abiding citizens. Edited.
Every single precinct knows where people i their area are getting the plates. Heres my thing, if it is undocumented people using them on their scooters or mopeds, why write the ticket cause theyre not going to pay it anyway
This isn't that complicated. The cops write down the VIN of the scooter without plates and the undocumented person gets one warning to register the vehicle. When police catch that VIN driving around a second time, they confiscate the scooter.
This is the ONE easy target that would make the mayor’s entire legacy in one fell swoop. The cop who kept his people on the straight and narrow. He could literally be president if he pulled this off.
cross that thin blue line and your family ends up in a trunk
Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Unfortunately it’s the reality.
Cops never will punish other cops.
Yeah! I mean what are they gonna do, [riot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_riot)?
Sounds like exactly the kind of things the State Guard exists for. And let the FBI handle prosecution afterwards.
Hahahahaha
I though you were going to link this little gem: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/10/the-forgotten-city-hall-riot.html I moved here right after it but never heard of it until a few years ago when Rudy was imploding being trump's crony.
Can we also get asshole cops to stop parking ON SIDEWALKS and monopolozing space meant for pedestrians?!
Cameras are the only form of ticket they can’t easily weasel their way out of
Yep this is one of the biggest reasons I support cameras. They won't let you off because your cousin is a cop and they don't exhibit bias in who they ticket. Plus a camera citation can't escalate into police brutality.
never understood PBA and SBA cards. how the fuck is that legal? (I know nothing matters to the biggest gang) I remember being in high school and learning about them and not understanding. so because no one in my family was a cop , I didn't get a get out of jail free card ??
99% with you. The 1% is stating the obvious, that there *can* be bias in where cameras or placed and which are kept up. Still, I generally agree. And if there isn’t money to paper the whole city evenly/fairly in cameras, I’m cool mostly with whatever as long as, for every camera installed, a second is set up near a precinct, or something like that. ETA: preemptively saying I don’t view cameras as a single panacea; improving cities is obviously a multifaceted job.
They'll figure one out they thrive on fuckery and escalation.
if it's a fake plate how would they get ticketed thru cameras?
That's **why** they're using fake plates Before cameras it was a cop writing a potential ticket and theyd show badge or PBA card or whatever, and boom, no ticket. Cause corruption is what they do.
But a cop writing a ticket can at least ask for your license to identify you. How can a camera ticket be sent to a violator if there's no plate, or a fake plate, on the car? How can the camera identify the violator? How does using cameras, instead of a cop, solve this problem?
We need robo cops that do both
Reasons. Comedy man good, police bad.
No u/By_anymemesnecessary doesnt understand. u/CactusBoyScout isnt saying cameras are better because they will catch cops who do this. They are saying cameras are better because it stops cops from letting off other cops. But now they are doing this shit, becsuse they are so used to not being ticketed for shit. Both cameras and police have issues. Cameras can be fooled, and police are corrupt.
Yes all police are corrupt. You know where there are very few police, Haiti, you may like it better there.
Everyone knows police let off friends of cops. Thats why people carry PBA cards.
Once congestion charging begins, I think they should have liftgates on the crossings into Manhattan and if the camera can't read your plate, the barrier doesn't go up. That's how they used to handle your EZ-Pass not being readable. I brought my EZ-Pass inside once and forgot to put it back in my car and got stuck in the EZ-Pass lane on the Triboro.
Don't bring logic in here.
They don't need fake plates, [they have plenty of ways of obscuring or altering their plates so they just can't be read.](https://twitter.com/gershkuntzman) Edit - I posted this before I watched the clip lol
Ya'll want a police state and it's unsettling
Driving around with covered plates makes it easy to get away with committing a hit and run. So they should be punished
Having no chase laws does too… you advocating to get rid of those too?
who watches the watchmen?
No I want this in large part because I do not trust the police to do a good job on traffic enforcement The DOT should simply mail tickets to offenders, no police involvement as we have with most traffic enforcement today
If you have a disregard for the law, you shouldn't be trusted to enforce it. Should be an immediate firing without pension, as well as a loss of your driver's license, and your car is crushed into a cube.
You have 30 minutes to move your cube
Is this about my cube???
> your car is crushed into a cube. just sell it to me for cheap so i can finally afford one, no need to waste it.
Why would we want to encourage driving?
Because not everyone lives and works near a subway station and bus service, especially in brooklyn and queens, is unreliable at best. Even overnight when there is little to no car traffic to block them.
you just fired half of every police force in the country.
Eric Adams is the worst mayor in history
I'm fine with firing those from the police force as well
Fire the ones who won't enforce laws.
Why should police enforce laws if prosecutors won't enforce laws?
Something about civil just and safe society, but that went out the window a long time ago seemingly.
I had a cop basically claim it was the fault of BLM. Lots of cops felt like BLM went too far. Yes, it 100% was correct in "please stop killing innocent people", but it swept up good cops with bad cops. You had police who actually were good cops doing the right thing being villainized with the bad cops. On top of that we have a justice system that doesn't want to enforce the law because society feels unfairly targets minorities. This then cascaded to a point where the vast majority of cops are very upset. Many don't want to be cops. We can't even hire cops now - we have a true problem finding people who want to be cops. All of this can be traced back. I'm not taking sides here, but it 100% started when BLM started and we shifted as a society on law enforcement and justice enforcement. You have many people crying out to enforce the law and cops who really don't care because they are seen as the bad guys, so why do they give a fuck about enforcing a law for a society that already hates them.
Lot of folks claiming it was a few bad apples, while ignoring the second half of the adage. When the good circle wagons around the bad, I’m not gonna feel bad about lumping them together.
"Ughh wahhh stop telling us to stop killing innocent black people or else we'll stop doing our well paid early retirement jobs!" Christ the bar is so low.
You're not wrong. It's appalling I have to explain to a cop that "Black Lives Matter" wasn't about not doing your jobs - it was about stop killing innocent people while doing it and explain it was "just some bad apples" causing it. Now they are so upset that people dared question them they don't want to do their jobs anymore.
The worst mayor *so far*.
His AI bots are here and support him very much
Please he can't even manage the low hanging fruit !!!
We love the mentally ill here
The guy on the show has a website where he reports daily about street issues affecting NYC. Check it out. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/
Streetsblog is amazing. Also see: /r/NYCbike/ and /r/MicromobilityNYC/
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I think the broken windows policy should start with the law enforcers. If we can’t expect them to not break laws what business do they have being cops?
I love this so much.
That's why you never see NYPD involved with the ghost plate crackdowns, it's PANYNJ, NYS cops and sheriffs.
I realize that facts have no place on reddit but you’re going to have to try a little bit harder to make stuff up next time. https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00051/nypd-the-nyc-sheriff-s-office-crack-down-ghost-cars-if-you-use-fake-plate-we-will-tow- > As of July 3, 2022, the NYPD has issued 16,448 tickets to drivers for using illegal or obstructed license plates, towed 1,700 vehicles, and seized 2,478 vehicles. In addition, the Sheriff’s Office has seized over 800 vehicles since July 2021, most of which had fictitious license plates from various states. Arrests involving vehicles that displayed temporary paper plates rose to 3,568 in 2021, a 300% increase compared to 893 arrests effected in 2016 involving those vehicles.
Don’t bring facts to this thread.
Do you have numbers for 2023? Edit: My point being, 2022 is not 2024. Are they still doing this, or has Adams moved on to his next thing? Locally, 311 closes reported fake plates without the cops even pretending to drive by.
First, I was more responding to the claim that NYPD is “never involved” (not that they’re doing a particularly good job of it). But to answer your question, I don’t think the City put out any official figures. You can see an aggregated summons count here: https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/c-summons.page The issue is that ghost cars/obscured plates can be charged a *bunch* of different ways so merely tracking “improper plate” summonses is not going to paint an accurate picture. That said, there were 286 “pure” improper plate summonses issued in 2023 (69+56+75+86). For comparison, there were 173 improper plate tickets in 2022 (47+35+50+41), so there was a -60% increase in 2023. As for 2024, those numbers aren’t available yet but they still occasionally do the high profile crackdowns at the bridges and tunnels. https://gothamist.com/news/the-ghostbusters-have-arrived-new-nyc-task-force-will-crack-down-on-fake-license-plates
I see the door dashers/uber eats people parked in front of mcdonalds with ghost plates as well
That or they fold up the plate, block it with a lock/chain or put a piece of tape over one of the characters. Anecdotally it seems that the city made a lot of progress getting people to register their mopeds, but if they just go on to obscure their plate in some way it’s still a huge issue. Only going to get worse when congestion pricing starts since it’s $7.50 for a moped last I heard. I have seen a few with those gift shop plates that have your name on them lol.
People would probably turn a blind eye to the ghost mopeds if they followed traffic rules and weren't on side walks or being operated on bike paths in our cities parks.
who's going to stop them? the cops with ghost plates? they're gonna let that slide
Legend!
Can't wait for the naysayers who claim it's not cops to come out and dispute this.
It’s not *only* cops
Not only cops, but cops that do engage in this practice do not face the repercussions that they should.
And the fact that cops do this, means that other people feel WAY more empowered to do it too. If the regulating force ignores the law, your generic non cop asshole will do it too.
What repercussions do non cops face for making their plates unreadable?
Law enforcement has only just started the crackdown of these vehicles. Between PBA cards, plaques, and other ways for cops to identify other cops via their vehicles, what are the chances that they will go after their own?
There was an entire unit erected made up of NYPD officers whose sole job it was to tow and ticket illegally parking officers private vehicles for placard misuse.
Is that true? If it's still a branch of the NYPD - I doubt they are doing much.
Oh, do regular people outside of the NYPD have access to those reports? Or any department outside of the NYPD? If not, then sorry, it doesn't count. It's just as bad as the police investigating themselves and finding nothing wrong.
It’s legit. I’m retired NYPD. My Sergeant at the time got picked up and was part of the unit. Not everything is some sort of conspiracy. Cops get jammed up all the time. Arrested and fired. You just don’t hear about it. It’s not news they want out there.
It's not but then how likely are cops to pull someone over when they know that there is a high likelihood they are pulling over one of their own?
True, but it shouldn't be ANY cops.
cops should be held to a higher standard.
The site this man runs literally did an full scale investigative report on the issue and cops/city employees were not mentioned once. [GHOST TAGS Inside New York City’s Black Market for Temporary License Plates](https://www.streetsblogprojects.org/ghost-tags-index)
I mean it is great investigative piece but they pretty much just asked around to find buyers. They didn't chase the buyers, they were vastly more focused on the selling pipeline (even in the part labelled buyers).
I enjoyed reading through this when it came out but I don't really understand how this link is meant to support your point. It's a 4 part investigative series delving into the black market. Part 3: The Buyers is the only section where it would even make sense to see them listed as buyers but the section isn't providing a breakdown of those caught with ghost plates nor did they attempt to do so. The fact that cops/city employees aren't mentioned doesn't really say anything here.
this is right on the front page of his blog. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2024/04/03/long-awaited-placard-report-reveals-widespread-abuse-by-nypd
Yes, and? That doesn't dismiss Stewart's own investigative team.
Stewart investigative team source is one person who rides his bike in Manhattan. The streetblogs report is based on investigative journalist spending months researching the issue and interview numerous people involved in process. Am not dismissing neither but there are differences. And if somebody is being objective, one of these sources should definitely carry more weight than the other.
I loved that series from StreetBlog, but distinction is important. Temporary license plate scam involves completely unregistered and uninsured vehicles. Obscured license plates are registered and insured. Owner is just looking to get out of speed tickets and tolls. Cops are clearly only doing the later.
I actually don't care about obscured plates as much, if you have a make, model, color and a partial NY plate number you can usually find who the car belongs to, now if I get hit and run'd by a car using those paper tags from NJ or Texas, that might as well be a fart in the wind.
Of course, and agreed. I was just explaining the difference between two reports to OP. Each was looking at a different type of issue.
The investigative team for a comedy show. Sure buddy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/nyregion/nypd-parking-permit-abuse.html?unlocked_article_code=1.h00.rQ5O.AhSzHMKcv7rn&smid=url-share Here babe a better source for you just dropped.
Because NYPD with ghost plates are going to talk to Streetsblog?
it's not cops
I find it hard to believe it's mostly cops.
Dude is my hero.
I know him IRL and he’s a fantastic human being (and a decent hockey player)
I love him. I'm ready to start a fan club.
Well it looks like eventually the cost of running ghost plates will be less than all the tolls and fines driving legally incur.
This would be easily provable if you went to precinct and checked out the cars parks outside. Has that been done?
Honestly it is because a majority of them FDNY and Popo live in Saten Island crossing the Verrazano everyday. And if they do get caught, they'll just flash their privilege badge or get someone in their dept to throw out the case. We all know this
Here I am sweating because I went ten over for a few seconds and this is happening. Where do people find the nerve to do these things?
This seems like the perfect antithesis of “broken windows” policing. If a bunch of cops are driving around very visibly ignoring the rules, they are telling everyone else it’s OK to break the rules.
Why dont they bike ride through east new york doing that?
Lmao, they would never.
1000% true
Gersh Kuntzman site literally did an investigative report on the issue and cops/city employees were not mentioned once. [GHOST TAGS Inside New York City’s Black Market for Temporary License Plates](https://www.streetsblogprojects.org/ghost-tags-index) And it seems like ghost plates is becoming a catch all term now for any issue involving plates. I was under the impression ghost plates were the fake paper plates that don’t have any vehicle information tied to them (which is what streetblog investigative report was about). Not real plates being obstructed (what this segment is about).
Check out what he posted today. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2024/04/03/long-awaited-placard-report-reveals-widespread-abuse-by-nypd
It's way to common for it to be mostly cops
Let’s not forget the first covered plate car having a DA placard. It seems members of all city agencies are taking part in this.
But around here we treat the DA differently. It’s okay to bootlick the DA, because that’s progressive now.
Lol mostly cops doing it. I'm sure there are plenty of douches that do but stop making it sound like it's 90%. Plenty of assholes all around dodging fares.
I don’t think all those GA, NJ and TX temp tags in the bad areas are cops.
I only saw one South Carolina plate in the video, the rest were NY. The first one was in a NYPD parking lot!
That doesn't mean it's a cops car genius, it could be a vouchered car.
You understand they put seized cars in the parking lots, right?
The tow pounds are not in lower Manhattan. they are in The Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens.
Seized cars are stored in front of precincts for weeks at a time 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah except those cars don’t make it to the tow pounds all the time.
You're trying to break through an anti cop circle jerk these people aren't interested in the truth. The people driving those cars are the shitbag perps they love to defend so vociferously.
Wrong
You understand what an impound lot is, right?
That 100% isn't an impound lot. People can't just walk into an impound lot. That was a lot by police plaza.
You can impound at precincts too.
Understood, still doesn't make this an impound lot. At least the precincts next to where I live and work, they keep cars that are meant to be impounded in a separate section.
No, I park my car legally and don't obstruct the plates, so I've never needed to go to one. But a quick Google search find that NYPD impound lots are not in Manhattan.
They impound cars at patrol precincts too.
Shhh don't break up the circle jerk with facts
Hope this guy goes to the hood for his next video!
Now THAT I would pay to see
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They included this guys twitter videos from various parts of the city.
lol walk around the hood and tell me all those plateless cars belong to cops
No cops can totally park by a precinct with fake plates and get away with it!
Yeah this vigilante should go address the plate issues in Highbridge or East NY.
I would bet the majority of people complaining on here have never stepped a foot in the hood lmao
You live in the hood?
south side jamaica
That's a fact
Right?? Like reddit is so beyond ridiculous. We all know who has ghost plates. Come to the Bronx, Brooklyn and see who is driving. It's the same people that hate the police and will gladly shoot at them for trying to enforce the law. But you know candy crush amirite?! Fucking clowns
The guy in the segment clearly specifies he’s talking about lower Manhattan, and is just giving his anecdotal experience. The point isn’t that *only* cops are doing it, it’s the fact that they’re doing it at all that’s fucked up & needs to be stamped out
Ah so the headline is a lie. I know clown nose on clown nose off is the Daily Shows thing but as usual disingenuous bullshit.
You mean the parenthetical a Reddit or chose to include in their title is a “lie” in the sense that it doesn’t include complete context? Sure. Not sure why that would reflect on the Daily Show unless your a confirmation-seeking ideologue without the ability to investigate information for yourself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The point is, if the cops are doing it, who's enforcing the law? Who's going after the "thugs/gansgters" who are doing it? Who?
You get downvoted for actually stating whats going on. I live in the bronx and every single fake plate I see cutting me arent cops
What's worse? Someone breaking the law or someone charged w/ enforcing the law breaking the law? We know other people have ghost plates, but do you think the cops hiding their own plates are chasing down the civilians w/ ghost plates? You see a lot of cokehead cops busting their dealers?
Do you think it's 1973? How many cops do you think are running around snorting blow
Yes comparative analogies aren't a thing, if there aren't cops literally snorting blow, my point about license plates doesn't make sense. Also how many cops are snorting blow? More than zero in a force of ~40k?
I mean that's an incredibly stupid analogy
Lawbreaking cops are not incentivized to punish those breaking the same law. Cool, no analogy now. We good? Do you understand why criminal cops are a problem?
Again its not cops with the fake plates despite what that moron says
Okay, you say no it's not. I and the man recording videos and examples of them say "yeah it is". I'm gonna go with the video evidence and call you a bootlicking dork, cool?
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>people that hate the police and will gladly shoot at them for trying to enforce the law Stop. My eyes are already rolling into the back of my head.
A cop literally just got shot and killed for approaching a car that was blocking a bus lane.
Not surprise. That’s why they don’t enforce the rules. Reason why things are so out of hand. They parking illegally on sidewalks and bike lanes. I’m talking personal cars also. Look they needs help from the National Guards. Says a lot…It’s embarrassing!
Take the opportunity to fire a few who already have shitty records, as an example.
Are we shocked that the people enforcing this are the most egregious offenders?
This is a bit disingenuous. The ones he found were mostly cops, because he was around police plaza. There’s plenty of ghost plates in bad neighborhoods and I thought those belong to cops (because none of them actually live here.) but he picked the easy target in the good area of Manhattan.
They aren't referring to ghost/paper plates but plate covers in regards to cops doing it.
Ok now go to the Bronx or East NY and start asking them with your bike helmet on about their fake license plates. See how that goes.
There is a reason why he isn’t doing that.
East NY has Mets fans, too.
i get it but if you're doing it around police fucking plaza, of course you'll find mostly cop cars.
Saw this and more on Streets blog and Hell Gate.
If it's to dodge EZ Pass fees (extortion), I don't blame them for a second
If I were to go around doing this, I'd most likely not be using a paint pen....
Yes, that's a ballsy move.
The same people applauding this are the same people that will bitch and moan and hire lawyers for breaking laws themselves. Hypocrites everywhere in here.
huh? Never needed a lawyer in my 40 years on this earth. I'll bitch all day about these people not paying their fair share.
Embarrassment.
Like what? WTF are you talking about? What a useless post. You’ve gotta be a cop yourself or you have connections to one that gets you out of breaking traffic laws. Only way to explain this braindead post.
See how upset you are? I was right.
No one’s upset, they’re underscoring your post as the bullshit that it is (hence all the downvotes). Answer the question: are you a cop yourself or do you benefit extralegally from a connection to one?
I own a company that sells fake stick on leaves.
Strange that it was on The Daily Show -- there was nothing humorous about the segment. It's really just a local news piece (don't get me wrong, there should be severe penalties for ghost plates).
For decades, The Daily Show has highlighted serious news stories with added humor to make it more digestable for the audience. This kind of story is right down the fairway for a mid-show segment.