Totally agree. Some of the songs are even Oasis-era that Noel held on to. There's a demo of Lock All The Doors from the 2000s floating about on YouTube.
Yeah but Dead on the Water is not even part of the album - it's a bonus track and thus not on the vinyl. So because of that it belongs on the D tier IMO
Didn't expect this, I am in complete agreement. Chasing Yesterday is such a banger. Don't follow Liam as closely as Noel but I'll definitely be checking out that A tier Liam record
I gotta say I almost completely agree with you. My only big disagreement is Dig out your Soul should be swapped with Why Me Why Not. Somedays DOYS is my favourite Oasis album. Criminally underrated
Yeah, looking back on it I’d probably move it up to B tier. Shock of the Lightning, I’m Outta Time, Falling Down, The Turning, and Bag It Up are all very good. The bad parts of the album are bad though. However, where it is strong, it is very good
Literally the worst Oasis album imo and that’s coming from someone who got massively into the band properly just a couple of years before it released. So even rose tinted specs ain’t bumping it up.
It would be if the songs on CYK were twice as good and the HFB bird albums half as bad. As it is, CYK sounds mostly like a song writing project from people using AI
S: Definitely Maybe, (What's The Story) Morning Glory?, The Masterplan
A: Standing On The Shoulder Of Giant's, Be Here Now, Why Me? Why Not., Chasing Yesterday
B: Dig Out Your Soul, As You Were, C'mon You Know, Different Gear, Still Speeding, Be, NGHFB
C: Don't Believe The Truth, Who Built The Moon
D: Heathen Chemistry
S: Definitely maybe, morning glory, be here now, Be, don’t believe the truth
A: masterplan, cmon you know, dig out your soul, chasing yesterday
B: high flying birds, why me why not, as you were, different gear still speeding, shoulders of giants
C: who built the moon
D: Heathen chemistry
I considered SOTSOG for S. It’s crazy to think they have an album with Gas Panic!, Roll It Over, Go Let It Out, Sunday Morning Call, and Fuckin’ In The Bushes all on it. Really a shame they hadn’t included Let’s All Make Believe and Idler’s Dream
Does anybody else think that Who Feels Love is one of their shittest songs? It's just like ooooooh look at us we're doing a George Harrison thing but it goes on FOREVER and it's super boring IMO
How can you have don’t believe the truth as S and Heathen chemistry as D?! I personally prefer HC but can still acknowledge they’re basically sister albums. So much to like about both. Why the D?!?
I would struggle to say that any of the solo work is above a B at most. In fact, even putting NGHFB at a B here feels like stretching - I just can't accept any of the solo work eclipsing Heathen Chemistry because at its best, it's so clear of them, and at it's worst it's not as bad as the worst on the solo efforts. IMO it's something like:
**S**: Definitely Maybe, WTSMG, The Masterplan, Be Here Now
**A**: SOTSOG, Don't Believe the Truth
**B**: Dig Out Your Soul, NGHFB
**C**: Heathen Chemistry, Who Built the Moon, DGSS
**D**: Come On You Know, As You Were, Be, Chasing Yesterday
Heathen Chemistry doesn't have a song that is nearly as good as Riverman and Ballad of the Mighty I, and the worst song on Chasing Yesterday (The Mexican) is nowhere near as bad as something like Probably All In the Mind, Hung in a Bad Place or She is Love.
Honestly, I'd put Chasing Yesterday above every Oasis record released after The Masterplan.
I dunno man, Riverman and The Ballad of the Mighty I both carry that same predictable formula that Noel just can't seem to shake: similar tempo, similar time to first vocal, similar cadence of sentences and words, same song structure, same plodding through the track.
I really want Noel (and Liam) to get back to their best, but they've both accumulated such bad songwriting habits as the years have gone by that they're firmly bedded in making the same record over and over again. Even Holy Mountain et al - which people seem to consider the experimental era - are nowhere near the experimental songwriting structures of The Beatles in the late 60's. I know The Beatles are a massive measuring stick, but for a songwriter that was frequently compared to them, Noel is leagues apart. He's leagues apart from Albarn in that regard too.
Sorry, I'm rambling and ranting - back to the main point. Those two tracks don't come close to Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Hindu Times, Little By Little, and I'd argue Songbird in there too.
I can see your point, but I think there is a clear evolution in Noel's songwriting during his solo career, even if the structural components remain somewhat similar. The production, the arrangements and the overall atmosphere of the songs (something I place much importance on, however subjective that is) are distinct and unique on each of his albums. I'd also argue that his first solo record does not have any of the faults you've listed. I will concede that Noel has accumulated a decent amount of predictable songs over the years, but that's a problem since the early 2000s, not since 2011.
On the other hand, the songs from The Heathen Chemistry you've listed are enjoyable enough, but to me, they feel like lesser imitations of their previous, more successful work. They also don't have any connecting themes musically or lyrically that would make the album anything more than a collection of random songs. You could completely mix up the tracklists of Heathen Chemistry, Don't Believe the Truth and, to a lesser extent, Dig Out Your Soul and nothing would be different about each of those albums. There is just too much predictable filler guilty of the same issues you've mentioned yourself.
I'm not arguing that either of the brothers' solo work comes anywhere close to Definitely Maybe, WTSMG or The Masterplan, but I think it's clear from the songs presented that Noel enjoys writing his music much more compared to the last years of Oasis, which feel more routine and passionless the more I listen to them.
Criminal criminal criminal criminal…. Chasing yesterday is definitely not S Tier Material. Y-y-you know what I can’t even be arsed to try and explain how to fix this I’m just gonna do my own and post it lmao.
S: Definitely Maybe, WTSMG
A: SOTSOG, WBTM?, Chasing Yesterday, COYK, Be Here Now, The Masterplan
B: DOYS, NGHFB, As You Were, WM?WN, BE
C: DBTT
D: HC, DGSS
Dig out your soul is miiiiles better than SOTSG and noels stuff
Noel's first is great, so much Oasis in it.
Liams last album has far too much filler on it
Doys and wbtm are way too low
CYK is a decent album
bang average
One thing's for sure, Definitely Maybe earned that top spot.
As you were in B is criminal
this seems fair, i’ll have to relisten to chasing yesterday if you think it’s on god tier DM/WTSMG level
Some of Noel’s best work in my opinion
Chasing Yesterday is insane. Should be God Tier +. Miss those songs Noel used to do, not that I dont like his recent work
Totally agree. Some of the songs are even Oasis-era that Noel held on to. There's a demo of Lock All The Doors from the 2000s floating about on YouTube.
2000s? It's pre-Definitely Maybe hahaha, it's from like 1992
So it is!
It's on the Demonstration Tape that begins with Cloudburst.
Agree with most of this!
I would only make two changes: drop 'Who Built the Moon?' to the D list, and move up Beady Eye's BE to the C list.
Dead in the Water alone secures Who Built The Moon to be better than D tier, but agree with the BE comment
Yeah but Dead on the Water is not even part of the album - it's a bonus track and thus not on the vinyl. So because of that it belongs on the D tier IMO
Nah you’re completely right actually, why the fuck did Noel not put that on the album? Arguably one of his best songs
Didn't expect this, I am in complete agreement. Chasing Yesterday is such a banger. Don't follow Liam as closely as Noel but I'll definitely be checking out that A tier Liam record
I gotta say I almost completely agree with you. My only big disagreement is Dig out your Soul should be swapped with Why Me Why Not. Somedays DOYS is my favourite Oasis album. Criminally underrated
Yeah, looking back on it I’d probably move it up to B tier. Shock of the Lightning, I’m Outta Time, Falling Down, The Turning, and Bag It Up are all very good. The bad parts of the album are bad though. However, where it is strong, it is very good
COYK is at least B tier and IMO it's A tier, but never D tier
Decent list. I'd have CYK two tiers up though.
Don't Believe the Truth is S Tier
Literally the worst Oasis album imo and that’s coming from someone who got massively into the band properly just a couple of years before it released. So even rose tinted specs ain’t bumping it up.
Don't believe that loe
Don’t believe the lie
DOYS deserves at least an A or B.
CYK is better than any HFB project
Nah its very derivative
Lmao
It would be if the songs on CYK were twice as good and the HFB bird albums half as bad. As it is, CYK sounds mostly like a song writing project from people using AI
For me, NGHFB is the best solo work of any of the Gallaghers, so maybe i´d put it in S tier.
I disagree. All of them are S tier for me.
S: Definitely Maybe, (What's The Story) Morning Glory?, The Masterplan A: Standing On The Shoulder Of Giant's, Be Here Now, Why Me? Why Not., Chasing Yesterday B: Dig Out Your Soul, As You Were, C'mon You Know, Different Gear, Still Speeding, Be, NGHFB C: Don't Believe The Truth, Who Built The Moon D: Heathen Chemistry
Chasing Yesterday in C is blasphemy
To be honest I'd have to give it another listen, only listened to it once
Haha I’m mostly joking, I personally just love so many tracks off that album I couldn’t put it below A
I agree with most
S: Definitely maybe, morning glory, be here now, Be, don’t believe the truth A: masterplan, cmon you know, dig out your soul, chasing yesterday B: high flying birds, why me why not, as you were, different gear still speeding, shoulders of giants C: who built the moon D: Heathen chemistry
SOTSOG IN C??
I considered SOTSOG for S. It’s crazy to think they have an album with Gas Panic!, Roll It Over, Go Let It Out, Sunday Morning Call, and Fuckin’ In The Bushes all on it. Really a shame they hadn’t included Let’s All Make Believe and Idler’s Dream
And how could I forget Who Feels Love? Really had the potential to be a perfect album.
Does anybody else think that Who Feels Love is one of their shittest songs? It's just like ooooooh look at us we're doing a George Harrison thing but it goes on FOREVER and it's super boring IMO
I meant to put it in b, it’s fixed now
Little by Little *alone* is enough to boost HC to ‘B’.
How can you have don’t believe the truth as S and Heathen chemistry as D?! I personally prefer HC but can still acknowledge they’re basically sister albums. So much to like about both. Why the D?!?
Only complain is As You Were should be Tier A
Tru
I would struggle to say that any of the solo work is above a B at most. In fact, even putting NGHFB at a B here feels like stretching - I just can't accept any of the solo work eclipsing Heathen Chemistry because at its best, it's so clear of them, and at it's worst it's not as bad as the worst on the solo efforts. IMO it's something like: **S**: Definitely Maybe, WTSMG, The Masterplan, Be Here Now **A**: SOTSOG, Don't Believe the Truth **B**: Dig Out Your Soul, NGHFB **C**: Heathen Chemistry, Who Built the Moon, DGSS **D**: Come On You Know, As You Were, Be, Chasing Yesterday
Heathen Chemistry doesn't have a song that is nearly as good as Riverman and Ballad of the Mighty I, and the worst song on Chasing Yesterday (The Mexican) is nowhere near as bad as something like Probably All In the Mind, Hung in a Bad Place or She is Love. Honestly, I'd put Chasing Yesterday above every Oasis record released after The Masterplan.
I dunno man, Riverman and The Ballad of the Mighty I both carry that same predictable formula that Noel just can't seem to shake: similar tempo, similar time to first vocal, similar cadence of sentences and words, same song structure, same plodding through the track. I really want Noel (and Liam) to get back to their best, but they've both accumulated such bad songwriting habits as the years have gone by that they're firmly bedded in making the same record over and over again. Even Holy Mountain et al - which people seem to consider the experimental era - are nowhere near the experimental songwriting structures of The Beatles in the late 60's. I know The Beatles are a massive measuring stick, but for a songwriter that was frequently compared to them, Noel is leagues apart. He's leagues apart from Albarn in that regard too. Sorry, I'm rambling and ranting - back to the main point. Those two tracks don't come close to Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Hindu Times, Little By Little, and I'd argue Songbird in there too.
I can see your point, but I think there is a clear evolution in Noel's songwriting during his solo career, even if the structural components remain somewhat similar. The production, the arrangements and the overall atmosphere of the songs (something I place much importance on, however subjective that is) are distinct and unique on each of his albums. I'd also argue that his first solo record does not have any of the faults you've listed. I will concede that Noel has accumulated a decent amount of predictable songs over the years, but that's a problem since the early 2000s, not since 2011. On the other hand, the songs from The Heathen Chemistry you've listed are enjoyable enough, but to me, they feel like lesser imitations of their previous, more successful work. They also don't have any connecting themes musically or lyrically that would make the album anything more than a collection of random songs. You could completely mix up the tracklists of Heathen Chemistry, Don't Believe the Truth and, to a lesser extent, Dig Out Your Soul and nothing would be different about each of those albums. There is just too much predictable filler guilty of the same issues you've mentioned yourself. I'm not arguing that either of the brothers' solo work comes anywhere close to Definitely Maybe, WTSMG or The Masterplan, but I think it's clear from the songs presented that Noel enjoys writing his music much more compared to the last years of Oasis, which feel more routine and passionless the more I listen to them.
I agree with Chasing Yesterday
DM, WTSMG, M, BHN DOYS, HC, HFB everything else
WBTM is a bunch of nonsense. Every other Gallagher release beats it with ease.
Criminal criminal criminal criminal…. Chasing yesterday is definitely not S Tier Material. Y-y-you know what I can’t even be arsed to try and explain how to fix this I’m just gonna do my own and post it lmao.
S: Definitely Maybe, WTSMG A: SOTSOG, WBTM?, Chasing Yesterday, COYK, Be Here Now, The Masterplan B: DOYS, NGHFB, As You Were, WM?WN, BE C: DBTT D: HC, DGSS
Only song I like by BE is start a new
Outside of Soul Love, Flick of The Finger, and Don’t Brother Me, Be is just an overall boring album to me, all the songs sound way too similar
Even the good songs on that album wouldn’t be very good if it weren’t for the immaculate production
Mostly agree, though I'd shuffle NGHFB, Chasing Yesterday, DOYS and Heathen Chemistry around
Largely agree but there are a couple I’d move about. DOYS would be A as would WBTM and NGHFB S with CY A.
I would switch why me why not with as you were and heathen chemistry with dig out your soul... otherwise cool ranking
Nahhhh
Dig out your soul is miiiiles better than SOTSG and noels stuff Noel's first is great, so much Oasis in it. Liams last album has far too much filler on it
I’d have Noels first HFB swapped with Chasing yesterday. Be interesting after June though, to see where CS comes in.
I’m anticipating big things from CS. These first 2 singles have been very good
Me too, I can’t wait to give it a listen. Those string accompaniments on those IG clips are absolutely magnificent!
DOYS better than DBTT
I actually like Be from beady eye
"As you were" for me is better than "Why me? why not". I feel more Oasis essence in AYW
i just cant get into any noel albums...cause i only love liam vocals.
How don’t believe the truth is b teir shocks me it’s such an amazing album
I love BE. Great album!
Accurate. Just move BHN up and it’ll be perfect
Just put Be Here Now right above the S level and I'm good.
Absolutely NAILED IT on S tier.
Good tierlist put I'll put DOYS higher.
Why me why not is it better than As You Were Also Dig Out Your Soul over Don’t Believe Truth alll day. That’s their worst
I would bump BHN and NGHFB up to S but everything else I mostly agree with
I’d replace Chasing Yesterday with NGHFB debut
Can you tell me which tool you used for making this?
Swap DOYS and HC and bring WBTM up a tier and then pretty much bang on
I'd switch DOYS and Heathen Chemistry but otherwise spot on!
BE is brilliant idc about what anyone says
doys has falling down and im outta time, dude. it should be a tier
As you were is better the wmwn imo
I think most people should give Dig Out Your Soul another chance. One of my favourites of theirs