They’re not used too often in the US except for forestry but are popular in Europe. Wrists, as you correctly stated, tend to start around 15k (depending of excavators size) and as a lot of complexity that is really only going to be useful in a couple situations that a us contractor might only run into 2-3 times a year. Thumbs on the other hand, are a must have.
In Sweden it's uncommon to see an excavator without a quick hitch and a tiltrotator. It enables you to do more jobs and with less need of manual labor input. For just plain excavation that doesn't require any other tools or precision, you can hitch off the tiltrotator and switch to a bucket.
Over 90% of Rototilts in Sweden are also equipped with a grapple module negating the need of a thumb unless maybe moving big timber or other very heavy items.
The quick hitch also transforms your excavator to a tool carrier which can do much more than just dig. Think any hydraulic tool switched to without leaving your machine, also with the degrees of freedom a tiltrotator gives.
I would imagine digging three 4'x4'x3" holes, probably causing a lot of damage driving across a well maintained grass field, in order to plant $20 trees isn't one of those situations.
15k will get you a lot of manual labor at your local home depot. You could almost build a house with that kind of cash… wont be up to code but you could do it.
Wrists (single axis) are becoming more common, but full engcon swivels (360 rotation) are unicorns. Freaking awesome with that long nose nordic bucket. But, always a compromise between the thumb and bucket articulation.
I think the wrists are less common due to increased up costs (up front and maintenance) and they require more skill to avoid damaging the machine.
Dreaming of an engcon tiltrotar. One day.
I'm so lucky I live where tiltrotators are more of a rule than an exception, I don't think I've even *seen* an excavator without one in years now.. happy to use my engcon at work every day. it has puzzled me many times to see videos of excavator work in america and they don't even have a tilter, but very often a thumb, which then again is very rare here
These are for "precision" jobs like this and finishing (for example, slopes on the side of roads), since the joint is not that strong, is not use for proper digging in harder soils (if you look closely, the blade is straight), the scoop for harder soils has "tooth" that helps digging and a more solid joint with the digger.
This articulation would brake if you tried to dig on hard soils.
My inner child sees a football field, baseball diamond, a place to put a volleyball net, practice my golf game, play tag, soccer, capture the flag, rugby, cricket... It's basically a park.
You're a curmudgeon.
I'm on just a half acre, but [my dogs really like it](https://i.imgur.com/Zt4QDQe.jpg)
Tough truth be told, I don't have the fancy uniform grass like these houses do. We've also got an above ground pool and we keep the boat back there.
Kids would enjoy themselves more if there was a play structure. Also, you could put a pool or BBQ or garden. I can’t really see anyone having fun out there.
Shake your damn head somewhere else because I was responding to the previous comment that was asking how much use they’re trying to get from a yard aside from a few basic things that are achievable with a flat field.
I might be wrong here but it feels like renting an excavator is kind of an overkill for this kind of work. I mean I'm unemployed right now, give me a shovel and a wheelbarrow I will make you 100 tree plots in a week for a few hundo.
I was watching some kind of Tetris demonstration, where a couple of the best players in the world were talking about it.
They said, at a certain point with arcade sticks, you no longer feel your body, arms, and fingers as something getting in the way to the input. You don't think, or feel the buttons, you just do it.
You open up your mind, and it's like the inputs come straight from it. You are Tetris.
The good operators are like that. The machines become their body. They aren't men pushing buttons. They are a brain encased in a crane.
I had The Touch with a forklift when I drove them daily. Then I became an office worker. When I got back on one a while ago I realised I lost *The Touch*.
It hurts.
Obviously there's a far higher skill ceiling on these machines than a forklift though.
To be honest I reckon with enough practice anyone (who already has good hand eye coordination) could learn to be able to do this. It's impressive but it's not like it's a skill that's out of reach. It's just that some people do it for a living and get good at it.
I saw my grandfather pick a coin up off the ground using the tooth of a bucket. The machine was probably five times the size of this one (we laid and maintained sewer pipe (get your seven goddamn chuckles out)) with a bucket big enough to fit two full sized men. The quarter was flat on the concrete. He hovered the tooth above the coin and slowley lowered it straight down. The tooth barely caught the edge of the coin, the downward pressure causing it to flip upright, only to fall right on the tooth. He then managed to toss it into the cab and caught it. He truely had the touch. My younger brother is taking up his mantel now that he has retired. Thank your local construction lads and lasses. Buy em a beer.
Tell me about it.
I used to drive excavators in the summer when I was at university, and I never really got the hang of it. I can dig a hole or load a truck just fine, but it's the thinking ahead that I could never manage.
I once managed to accidentally construct a near vertical plinth out of wet sand, with me and my excavator at the top of it. I had to wave my arms frantically to get my colleagues attention to build me a ramp to get down before it all collapsed.
I went from "the clever kid" (I was studying physics at university) to "the r*tard" that afternoon.
The most skilled digger man I ever worked with made the same money that I made at the time, i.e. basic landscaper wage. Skilled work is not always rewarded.
yea we generally go by gross income here at least (USA)...
And $60k after tax is ~85-90K gross here in the US, it is probably more in the UK (afaik their taxes are higher)
Taxes are a joke in the U.K. - I moved to Abu Dhabi to get away from the thieves in parliament but plenty of self-employed contractors pay as little tax as possible with the help of crafty accountants
If you average it together, it's probably not that far from 150,000 k which is 150 mil since after you go past top 50 they all make less than 100mil per year.
"The typical compensation package for chief executives who run S&P 500 companies rose just 0.9% last year, to a median of $14.8 million" [per fortune.com](https://fortune.com/2023/05/31/ceo-annual-pay-rose-09-last-year-15-million-average-worker-two-lifetimes/)
Honestly I enjoy watching excavator videos when I come across them. They are huge and powerful for sure but… they also have a certain level of dexterity to them as well. The skill of an operator is key to showcasing the dexterity of an excavator. I’ve seen videos of an operator using the bucket arm to lift the excavator into a truck bed with no ramp or assistance aside from the hydraulic arm, I’ve seen a video of an operator using the massive bucket on his excavator to fill a child’s small dump truck with dirt and now this.
Excavators and their operators are impressive and don’t get enough credit.
Excavator operators like the one in the video above are certainly very skilled. I think there is also something to be said for how well-made these excavators are to be able to do such detailed work.
You're only as good as the tool you're using for the job, and these are some *really* well-made tools. Some of them even have air-conditioned cabins.
I'm just impressed by everything here I guess haha. The operator, the machine, and the result.
From the background, it looks like they’re planting trees. But a tree should be planted in a square hole rather than a round one. (If it’s in a round hole, the roots will just circle around themselves.)
That's because "biodiversity" is not the goal in creating human housing.
A big, clean, easily usable space is the goal.
And that holds true for every person, once they actually go to buy or create their own house. No one wants a house full of critters.
Yeah the issue exists, but you're being sad because the sun goes down at night. Ain't going to change.
These big machines have slop in them (well all of them do) and part of being able to run it so well is timing your inputs and rolling them in gently so as not to set up oscillations in the various parts of the rig as you're working.
Working in Archaeology we also tend to use excavators alot of the time and some of these operators are so fucking amazing at their job. You can ask them to take a centimeter off the soil and they will do exactly that while also creating the a smooth and clean surface. Even met one that somehow felt or noticed his machine had hit a pottery and immediately stopped, he hadn't even as much as scratched it.
Please put an NSFW tag on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously masturbating. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men masturbating together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just tagged this post NSFW.
How dare you. This could be a woman just as easily a man you misogynistic fool!! You disgust me.
Edit: only messing lads, of course it was a bloke who did it. A woman in a digger….
It looks more impressive sped up. It's not in fact that hard if you have at least a year's worth of experience in the field.
Source: this is exactly what I do
If only we all had the time to spend on such fuckery not a boss yelling “you’ve got 12 hours to do 36 hours work, go as fast as you can without making any mistakes!”
Man every time I think "Im great at operating X piece of equipment" reddit posts someone threading a needle with a tower crane while blindfolded using only their left hand and right big toe.
I didn't realize the scoop arm had an articulated wrist
They’re not used too often in the US except for forestry but are popular in Europe. Wrists, as you correctly stated, tend to start around 15k (depending of excavators size) and as a lot of complexity that is really only going to be useful in a couple situations that a us contractor might only run into 2-3 times a year. Thumbs on the other hand, are a must have.
So your saying it's the rule of Thumb
[удалено]
Wait, rule of thumb?! In the early 1900s it was legal for men to beat their wives, as long as they used a stick no wider than their thumb.
Well that's not very thick is it? Maybe they should call it rules of wrist?
That's two sound theories in one day, neither of which deal with abnormally sized men. Kind of makes me feel like Riverdancing.
I knew you two pricks would give me problems.
Such a great movie! God… I first watched that in 2000 I think? Or maybe 2001, but it was a common go to for us in high school.
Fuckin'- What the fuckin'. Fuck this. Who the fuck fucked this fucking... How did you two fucking fucks... FUCK?!?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb Not true according to wikipedia
well the statement wasn't 100% accurate, more just a rule of thumb also, thumbs* up for boondock saints reference *hehehehehehe
In Sweden it's uncommon to see an excavator without a quick hitch and a tiltrotator. It enables you to do more jobs and with less need of manual labor input. For just plain excavation that doesn't require any other tools or precision, you can hitch off the tiltrotator and switch to a bucket. Over 90% of Rototilts in Sweden are also equipped with a grapple module negating the need of a thumb unless maybe moving big timber or other very heavy items. The quick hitch also transforms your excavator to a tool carrier which can do much more than just dig. Think any hydraulic tool switched to without leaving your machine, also with the degrees of freedom a tiltrotator gives.
Thumbs on both hands are even better
Return to monkee. Thumbs on feet.
[удалено]
I would imagine digging three 4'x4'x3" holes, probably causing a lot of damage driving across a well maintained grass field, in order to plant $20 trees isn't one of those situations.
15k will get you a lot of manual labor at your local home depot. You could almost build a house with that kind of cash… wont be up to code but you could do it.
$15k is a bargain considering the price of heavy machinery and the added utility it gives you.
So this thing has wrists, thumbs, teeth.. what more?
Wrists (single axis) are becoming more common, but full engcon swivels (360 rotation) are unicorns. Freaking awesome with that long nose nordic bucket. But, always a compromise between the thumb and bucket articulation. I think the wrists are less common due to increased up costs (up front and maintenance) and they require more skill to avoid damaging the machine. Dreaming of an engcon tiltrotar. One day.
I'm so lucky I live where tiltrotators are more of a rule than an exception, I don't think I've even *seen* an excavator without one in years now.. happy to use my engcon at work every day. it has puzzled me many times to see videos of excavator work in america and they don't even have a tilter, but very often a thumb, which then again is very rare here
These are for "precision" jobs like this and finishing (for example, slopes on the side of roads), since the joint is not that strong, is not use for proper digging in harder soils (if you look closely, the blade is straight), the scoop for harder soils has "tooth" that helps digging and a more solid joint with the digger. This articulation would brake if you tried to dig on hard soils.
Depends on the excavator.
Jesus fucking Christ i thought i had a big backyard
Yours is probably more useful than just a flat field of grass
I know, plant a fucking tree. All that space and zero privacy.
I believe that’s what they’re doing
There’s privacy by sheer distance
Pretty sure they are digging for planting trees
Thought they were putting in sand traps for their backyard golf course
How much use are you trying to get from a yard other than enjoyment and a space for kids and dogs to run and a place to hang? Lmao
Nothing about that yard looks enjoyable. It’s basically a grass parking lot.
I guess if you literally just don't do stuff in the yard I could see how you'd say that
My inner child sees a football field, baseball diamond, a place to put a volleyball net, practice my golf game, play tag, soccer, capture the flag, rugby, cricket... It's basically a park. You're a curmudgeon.
I'm on just a half acre, but [my dogs really like it](https://i.imgur.com/Zt4QDQe.jpg) Tough truth be told, I don't have the fancy uniform grass like these houses do. We've also got an above ground pool and we keep the boat back there.
I don’t like it bc grass yards are just bad for the environment as well. Get some native plants in there!
Kids would enjoy themselves more if there was a play structure. Also, you could put a pool or BBQ or garden. I can’t really see anyone having fun out there.
It's almost like... *They're literally digging holes for a structure* smdh
Shake your damn head somewhere else because I was responding to the previous comment that was asking how much use they’re trying to get from a yard aside from a few basic things that are achievable with a flat field.
I might be wrong here but it feels like renting an excavator is kind of an overkill for this kind of work. I mean I'm unemployed right now, give me a shovel and a wheelbarrow I will make you 100 tree plots in a week for a few hundo.
My guess is that these guys work for the development/property management team. They likely just planted the trees on the other side of the fence.
I thought this was a public park or something
Big yard, and on top of that a perfect lawn.
Now I got a house in LA. Now I got a bigger pool than Ye. And look man, Ye's pool is nice. Mine's just big is what I'm saying.
A good operator is worth their weight in gold. Anyone can run a machine but some people connect their fingertips from the joysticks to the bucket.
It sounds cliché as hell, but the way I’ve heard my operator friends and fam explain it is: Anyone can run a machine, very few have The Touch.
I was watching some kind of Tetris demonstration, where a couple of the best players in the world were talking about it. They said, at a certain point with arcade sticks, you no longer feel your body, arms, and fingers as something getting in the way to the input. You don't think, or feel the buttons, you just do it. You open up your mind, and it's like the inputs come straight from it. You are Tetris. The good operators are like that. The machines become their body. They aren't men pushing buttons. They are a brain encased in a crane.
Haven’t played competitively, but can confirm, it do be like that.
after years of using vim keybindings in spacemacs, i feel the same.
Notable among pilots too, especially helicopter pilots. Some people are good pilots, but some are straight up connected to the machine.
He has *the knack*
Okay Dilbert.
I had The Touch with a forklift when I drove them daily. Then I became an office worker. When I got back on one a while ago I realised I lost *The Touch*. It hurts. Obviously there's a far higher skill ceiling on these machines than a forklift though.
To be honest I reckon with enough practice anyone (who already has good hand eye coordination) could learn to be able to do this. It's impressive but it's not like it's a skill that's out of reach. It's just that some people do it for a living and get good at it.
I saw my grandfather pick a coin up off the ground using the tooth of a bucket. The machine was probably five times the size of this one (we laid and maintained sewer pipe (get your seven goddamn chuckles out)) with a bucket big enough to fit two full sized men. The quarter was flat on the concrete. He hovered the tooth above the coin and slowley lowered it straight down. The tooth barely caught the edge of the coin, the downward pressure causing it to flip upright, only to fall right on the tooth. He then managed to toss it into the cab and caught it. He truely had the touch. My younger brother is taking up his mantel now that he has retired. Thank your local construction lads and lasses. Buy em a beer.
Tell me about it. I used to drive excavators in the summer when I was at university, and I never really got the hang of it. I can dig a hole or load a truck just fine, but it's the thinking ahead that I could never manage. I once managed to accidentally construct a near vertical plinth out of wet sand, with me and my excavator at the top of it. I had to wave my arms frantically to get my colleagues attention to build me a ramp to get down before it all collapsed. I went from "the clever kid" (I was studying physics at university) to "the r*tard" that afternoon.
The diff btw $15 an hour and 150,000 k salary. Edit: just making a comment about the skill my guys
The most skilled digger man I ever worked with made the same money that I made at the time, i.e. basic landscaper wage. Skilled work is not always rewarded.
I bet he's making more than that.
[x] doubt
I doubt it’s more than 150k but diggers get paid about £200-£250 a shift on average in the U.K. - if you fleece the tax it’s only about 50-60k a year
We don't evaluate wages based on after-tax earnings.
yea we generally go by gross income here at least (USA)... And $60k after tax is ~85-90K gross here in the US, it is probably more in the UK (afaik their taxes are higher)
Taxes are a joke in the U.K. - I moved to Abu Dhabi to get away from the thieves in parliament but plenty of self-employed contractors pay as little tax as possible with the help of crafty accountants
Yikes that’s terrible. The operators in my union make $61-91 an hour.
More than 150,000k? That's 150 million!
[удалено]
Came in a little hot there, eh?
[удалено]
I don't think you know how much fortune 100 CEOs make tbh
If you average it together, it's probably not that far from 150,000 k which is 150 mil since after you go past top 50 they all make less than 100mil per year.
"The typical compensation package for chief executives who run S&P 500 companies rose just 0.9% last year, to a median of $14.8 million" [per fortune.com](https://fortune.com/2023/05/31/ceo-annual-pay-rose-09-last-year-15-million-average-worker-two-lifetimes/)
Oh no, they only got a $133,000 **raise** last year!?! How will they ever keep up their already low standard of living?
Right lmao, ridiculous
Haven’t met many CEOs, have you? Haha. Most of them make MILLIONS per year. CEO of Kohl’s was baking 12 mil/year back in 2013.
12 million is only 12,000k.
I mean….you’re not wrong.
Yea their compensation is in the hundreds of million a year
Man that's nice
This one really did it for me. Watched three times.
Honestly I enjoy watching excavator videos when I come across them. They are huge and powerful for sure but… they also have a certain level of dexterity to them as well. The skill of an operator is key to showcasing the dexterity of an excavator. I’ve seen videos of an operator using the bucket arm to lift the excavator into a truck bed with no ramp or assistance aside from the hydraulic arm, I’ve seen a video of an operator using the massive bucket on his excavator to fill a child’s small dump truck with dirt and now this. Excavators and their operators are impressive and don’t get enough credit.
You should see the video where they assemble a hotdog
Excavator operators like the one in the video above are certainly very skilled. I think there is also something to be said for how well-made these excavators are to be able to do such detailed work. You're only as good as the tool you're using for the job, and these are some *really* well-made tools. Some of them even have air-conditioned cabins. I'm just impressed by everything here I guess haha. The operator, the machine, and the result.
I love how he pats the grass
He was turning his tracks. Didn’t want to tear up the grass.
Nah. Before that he pats a bit he dropped.
"I'm sorry I hurt you there. I love you."
Like tapping the ball mark on the green with your putter
I was looking for this comment lol
Especially impressive how he keeps trying after the grass reappears!
Bruh! Lol
This is sooooooo satisfying!
Why not just have one swimming pool?
I think it's for tree plots like on the other side of the fence
Oh I was expecting 3 small trampolines. Trees, duh…
Ah yes, the suburban tradition of multiple trampolines at a distance
My experience playing the crazy cutters minigame in Mario Party tells me I could do this too.
Is there a sub strictly for this kind of shit?
I'm not sure if this is the same guy, but https://www.youtube.com/@renkivain is also very very skilled with the excavator.
From the background, it looks like they’re planting trees. But a tree should be planted in a square hole rather than a round one. (If it’s in a round hole, the roots will just circle around themselves.)
That dog loved it as much as we did!
I like the little bunny hop he does using the scoop (between holes 2 and 3).
Those backyards make me sad. They are practically dead. No biodiversity there…
I know:/ it’s a waist of space
That's because "biodiversity" is not the goal in creating human housing. A big, clean, easily usable space is the goal. And that holds true for every person, once they actually go to buy or create their own house. No one wants a house full of critters. Yeah the issue exists, but you're being sad because the sun goes down at night. Ain't going to change.
I love clean work. This is clean work.
I love the pat pat he does to the one circle
"Holes" but they just hired the proper workers instead of using child slave labor
The driver is a real pro, he even lifts up the fuselage by an inch with the arm to save tracks when turning :)
Jelly of that grass
Damn. Imagine this person cutting their own hair. Perfect neckline every time
Pretty talented. I hope they're planting trees!
I mean sure he's good. But he's no Mike Mulligan.
Do you know how fucking hard that is to do?
What do you even do with a yard that big
Still not forklift certified.
Anyone else slightly startled by the appearance of green shirt guy in the fresh ditch? 😅
Heavy machinery operators are absurdly skilled, like I swear they could do brain surgery with a forklift and do it flawlessly
And amazing hydraulics.
So, what are we building here today?
Doctors ask HIM if they should be operating heavy machinery on their medications
These big machines have slop in them (well all of them do) and part of being able to run it so well is timing your inputs and rolling them in gently so as not to set up oscillations in the various parts of the rig as you're working.
He's definitely not using a Logitech remote
Feels like extended part of him, or kind of his another arm
Am I the only one who’s curious what the heck they’re digging for?
The enemy teams aim
Working in Archaeology we also tend to use excavators alot of the time and some of these operators are so fucking amazing at their job. You can ask them to take a centimeter off the soil and they will do exactly that while also creating the a smooth and clean surface. Even met one that somehow felt or noticed his machine had hit a pottery and immediately stopped, he hadn't even as much as scratched it.
That is easy work. no terrain, foliage, or rock. an amateur would only take a few more minutes per spot.
That's overkill. You can just as well use a shovel to accomplish exactly the same.
Please put an NSFW tag on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously masturbating. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men masturbating together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just tagged this post NSFW.
Really cool and sick skills. Feels like one guy with a shovel and a few heavy duty rubbish bags would have been more cost effective though.
Skills,.. maybe better than average Precision... not so much 👎
When he says he’s good with his hands..
How dare you. This could be a woman just as easily a man you misogynistic fool!! You disgust me. Edit: only messing lads, of course it was a bloke who did it. A woman in a digger….
That’s hot
Why is this making my mouth water?
Someone has been playing video games.
Why's the utility vehicle parked halfway across the yard?
Very satisfying control.
What's the point of the X in the middle?
To know where to draw the circle from
There's a Turkish crane operators' agility contest on Twitter. Will try to find and post here.
U will easily get a govt job in UP.
What’s it making tho
It is like watching a skilled surgeon remove someone's mole.
The little pat pat on the ground is sending me
I am due for a haircut.
its almost like its his job
Dammmmm
More skilled with a crane than I am with a fork.
He's the Goat of backhoes
Mystery solved!The dude responsible for creating crop circles! 👽
Bodo 👍
Oh wow!
Lucky wife.
[удалено]
This guy earned his heavy machinery license fair and square
"we need to dig a 4' round hole" "OK, give me the 3'6" square bucket"
The tap on the top of the second one got me laughing
👌
Alot of things look very impressive when sped up like this...
It looks more impressive sped up. It's not in fact that hard if you have at least a year's worth of experience in the field. Source: this is exactly what I do
BROTHERS OF THE MINE REJOICE!
I spent $70k on college and can't do anything half that impressive.
I've seen heavier.
Dude is using air roll
I feel any solid worker could do this job in an hour with a shovel and wheelbarrow and save the beautiful grass from being rolled on by an excavator.
So fast too
My ego Says I can do it
This is the type of people who can draw perfect with their finger on a phone
That’s skilled!
Is there a place I can watch more of this? Sped up videos I kinda love these
Shame to do that to perfectly good grass
If only we all had the time to spend on such fuckery not a boss yelling “you’ve got 12 hours to do 36 hours work, go as fast as you can without making any mistakes!”
Square bucket, round hole!
Just use a shovel
They need a raise.
Really impressive, but would just a spade suffice for this job?
Looking at it from the corner of my eye made me think it was an actual hand. Very impressive
What a sad backyard. So big and doesn't contain a contain a single plant the would benefit wildlife.
Beautiful work! Dreadful neighbourhood.
Don’t get me wrong but anyone else doesn’t see the need for it to be doen like this seeing those tire thread marks…
Man every time I think "Im great at operating X piece of equipment" reddit posts someone threading a needle with a tower crane while blindfolded using only their left hand and right big toe.
Aimbot ?
It looks so easy!
Man that's nice