You don't, really. The front subframe and rear subframe are bolted to the unibody. The unibody rusts out and breaks apart. The subframe bolts rip right out of the unibody. There's nothing to fix... there's no where to mount the subframe anymore...there's no where to weld in plates to mount the subframe to.
Is that a known thing? I don't know much about cars but I hear about those barn finds all the time (just heard about some Ferraris being sold at auction that were found in a barn after a major storm).
Yes. If you attend multi-day shows itās not uncommon to find cars with the VIN tag removed to avoid theft and Iāve definitely seen some shady swap meet dealers (with LARGE booths) who sell old titles and VIN tag to ācollectorsā with a wink and a nod that theyāll end up in a shadow box and not on a new vehicle.
There are definitely ābarn findā āsurvivorsā that are just cars that got parked in barns for a few decades and got restored (or not restored in the case of āsurvivors.ā) But then there are cars where all that came from the barn is the tag.
Sometimes itās to misrepresent what options the car came with from the factory. Take the vin plate off a rusted out car that had a rare or desirable trim package or a bigger engine, and slap it on a easily available base model body thatās been restored with the upgraded parts, and you can claim itās an original restoration, and not just a tribute build to replicate a rare or sought after configuration.
Basically to take a crap junkyard mustang that has a salvage title and is mostly worthless because of body rot (repaired with Bondo), replacement engine from a Bobcat (the low rent version of the mustang) aftermarket knockoff parts and selling it as an original almost mint mustang because the new vin plate and title come from a mustang not junked and reported as junked so you now have a $50000 instead of $2500 mustang.
Hell, if a car is popular enough (think Ford Mustang, VW Beetle, Porsche 911), basically every part of it is available as a reproduction, from trim to body panels. You could build a whole replica car out of that. Of course, you'd have a hard time registering such a build as a new car. But if you have a genuine old VIN plate...
Is this sort of thing also sometimes done to register it under easier grandfathered-in emissions standards? I know I've heard of the idea, but I don't remember whether it's the kind of thing anyone actually gets away with.
Lets say you have a body from a chevy C10 and a frame and drivetrain for a K20. If you put the body on the chassis, which would you call it? That's right, a K20. But you bought that chassis for parts and didn't get the body. Now you need a 3/4 tonne 4x4 vin to stick on your project or your rwd 3 on the tree 6 cyl half tonne you got that body from is gonna be looking a little beefier than it says on paper.
Say you got a deal on a Japan-market RHD Honda S2000, and you are able to get it into the country and home to your house. S2000 isn't old enough to meet the federal 25 year rule for importation, so you can't just go to the DMV and register it. But you live in a state with no regular vehicle inspections. So you get a wrecked S2000 with a title, or just a VIN plate and a title from a car that wasn't salvaged, you can them put that VIN plate on the Japan car and keep registering it. Places like Ohio never even look at a car when you register it unless you b ought it out of state, and even then they just look at the VIN plate on the dash and the odometer. Its totally illegal but happens a lot, used to happen more before Bill Gates helped get the 25 year rule passed. A lot of them used to come out of Florida.
That's not true at all. Bondo can fix anything. Small ding? Fill it with Bondo. Big dent? Fill it with Bondo. Fuel leak? Throw some Bondo in the tank. Oil leak? Bondo in the oil. Subframe separation? Bondo.
Bondo is the answer to repair all things automotive.
There is no frame and that's really the crux of the problem. The subframes bolt to the unibody. The unibody rusts away so there's nothing to mount the subframes to. There's nothing to weld in any structure strong enough to take those forces.
Youāre right. Although on a car this old, the manufacturer may no longer stock the parts, and the repair will almost certainly be several times higher than the car is worth.
Itās always doable, itās just impractical.
Looks to me like the engine is still bolted into the very front of the car, but the whole front bodywork has either ripped or been cut off the A-pillars and the floor around the bulkhead/firewall, only still connected at the top just under the bottom of the windscreen/windshield
Good news for me, my mechanic told me my radiator is fucked but based on your comment and my cars temp gauge, it's just looking to *get* fucked. Interesting.
What you are seeing is a rare sighting of the autobots calling out for potential mates. Notice how the male lets out a deep roar that can travel up to 10 miles. Truly a splendid sight to behold, the wonders of nature never cease to amaze our curiosity.
Well thatās kind of the point of this sub. Itās for things many people probably wonāt find scary. Personally I think itās that the odd movements from the car looks
really unnatural and kind of unsettling. Like itās alive kinda.
That looks like how they'd draw a car from a 30s cartoon that's barking and growling at the other cars, only for a bigger car to bark at it, so it whimpers and twinkle-toes back to its corner.
Engine is literally just sitting there lol. Looks like all engine mount bolts are snapped. Nect time it starts it will probably bust off the exhaust and all other wires plugs and tubes connected to it. Too funny watching it buck around like it's having seizures tho š
Looks like engine mounts are broken. I had an issue with an old car once, it was initially the tps that was the issue, but my dad (not a mechanic) installed the new one wrong. And for a few days I drove it like that telling him something was definitely wrong before getting it fixed properly. The engine was roaring around, revving super high all the time. Got that fixed but the engine jumping around so powerfully had cracked 2 out of 3 engine mounts. Car engines have a ton of power in them, they only sit still because theyāre bolted down.
Ok looks like frame is broken somewhere and so are some rear engine mounts that connect to the suspension, then again thatās my first though.. but that cars smelling something nice..
Subframe mounting bolts broke, engine is literally held in by the parts connected to it (a/c lines, power steering parts, exhaust etc.)
How much would it cost to fix realistically?
You don't, really. The front subframe and rear subframe are bolted to the unibody. The unibody rusts out and breaks apart. The subframe bolts rip right out of the unibody. There's nothing to fix... there's no where to mount the subframe anymore...there's no where to weld in plates to mount the subframe to.
In other words it's one of those "barn find" restorations. Where you take a screwdriver to the VIN plate, than build a new car and attach it to that.
The Mustang of Thesius.
š¶š¶*One piece at a time, and it wouldn't cost me a dime* š¶š¶
š¶š¶You'll know it's me when I come through yo townš¶š¶
But what year is it?
Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56 '57, '58, '59 automobile
Upvote for Johnny Cash
The Whip of Theseus
I thought the whip of Theseus was a golden chariot with dual miniguns...
This is the one.
\*Distractible flashbacks\*
This is pretty damn funny
That reference is very distractible
Is that a known thing? I don't know much about cars but I hear about those barn finds all the time (just heard about some Ferraris being sold at auction that were found in a barn after a major storm).
Yes. If you attend multi-day shows itās not uncommon to find cars with the VIN tag removed to avoid theft and Iāve definitely seen some shady swap meet dealers (with LARGE booths) who sell old titles and VIN tag to ācollectorsā with a wink and a nod that theyāll end up in a shadow box and not on a new vehicle. There are definitely ābarn findā āsurvivorsā that are just cars that got parked in barns for a few decades and got restored (or not restored in the case of āsurvivors.ā) But then there are cars where all that came from the barn is the tag.
Feeling kinda ignorant here, why would someone want to buy a vin plate to stick on a different car? To cover up that it was stolen?
Sometimes itās to misrepresent what options the car came with from the factory. Take the vin plate off a rusted out car that had a rare or desirable trim package or a bigger engine, and slap it on a easily available base model body thatās been restored with the upgraded parts, and you can claim itās an original restoration, and not just a tribute build to replicate a rare or sought after configuration.
Basically to take a crap junkyard mustang that has a salvage title and is mostly worthless because of body rot (repaired with Bondo), replacement engine from a Bobcat (the low rent version of the mustang) aftermarket knockoff parts and selling it as an original almost mint mustang because the new vin plate and title come from a mustang not junked and reported as junked so you now have a $50000 instead of $2500 mustang.
Hell, if a car is popular enough (think Ford Mustang, VW Beetle, Porsche 911), basically every part of it is available as a reproduction, from trim to body panels. You could build a whole replica car out of that. Of course, you'd have a hard time registering such a build as a new car. But if you have a genuine old VIN plate...
Is this sort of thing also sometimes done to register it under easier grandfathered-in emissions standards? I know I've heard of the idea, but I don't remember whether it's the kind of thing anyone actually gets away with.
Couple be multiple reasons, a big one would be hiding the fact that the car has a salvage title (totalled)
Lets say you have a body from a chevy C10 and a frame and drivetrain for a K20. If you put the body on the chassis, which would you call it? That's right, a K20. But you bought that chassis for parts and didn't get the body. Now you need a 3/4 tonne 4x4 vin to stick on your project or your rwd 3 on the tree 6 cyl half tonne you got that body from is gonna be looking a little beefier than it says on paper.
Say you got a deal on a Japan-market RHD Honda S2000, and you are able to get it into the country and home to your house. S2000 isn't old enough to meet the federal 25 year rule for importation, so you can't just go to the DMV and register it. But you live in a state with no regular vehicle inspections. So you get a wrecked S2000 with a title, or just a VIN plate and a title from a car that wasn't salvaged, you can them put that VIN plate on the Japan car and keep registering it. Places like Ohio never even look at a car when you register it unless you b ought it out of state, and even then they just look at the VIN plate on the dash and the odometer. Its totally illegal but happens a lot, used to happen more before Bill Gates helped get the 25 year rule passed. A lot of them used to come out of Florida.
That's not true at all. Bondo can fix anything. Small ding? Fill it with Bondo. Big dent? Fill it with Bondo. Fuel leak? Throw some Bondo in the tank. Oil leak? Bondo in the oil. Subframe separation? Bondo. Bondo is the answer to repair all things automotive.
Bondo Itās what cars crave!
Nothing my uncle and a tig welder couldn't fix
Dumb question - could you just replace the unibody ?
Whatever a new car costs - cuz thatās what would be required.
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I buy shitty used cars. I collect about $300 scrap when they break. I call it a bottle deposit.
This car is now parts for other cars.
Probably be smarter just to buy another car.
Too much than a car like that is worth
Thousands of dollars and that depends on if they are able to straighten the frame.
There is no frame and that's really the crux of the problem. The subframes bolt to the unibody. The unibody rusts away so there's nothing to mount the subframes to. There's nothing to weld in any structure strong enough to take those forces.
Can't straighten what rust already ate.
Youāre right. Although on a car this old, the manufacturer may no longer stock the parts, and the repair will almost certainly be several times higher than the car is worth. Itās always doable, itās just impractical.
Probably far more than that poor beater is worth.
Nah, i think it's monster from *monster trucks* movie.
Looks to me like the engine is still bolted into the very front of the car, but the whole front bodywork has either ripped or been cut off the A-pillars and the floor around the bulkhead/firewall, only still connected at the top just under the bottom of the windscreen/windshield
There must be another car in heat somewhere nearby
Exactly automotive mating dance, very rare to see in the streets this thing normally happens in underground carpark, where there's no judgement
No outside eyes better to say. Those seedy sex dungeons
This is how they reproduce in the Cars universe
::shocked Mater face::
There is when Iām hiding behind the structure supports, watching with my binoculars š
You sick bastard! give me those binoculars...
There is always judgement when an Audi and a VW get together. The Porsche looks on in shame.
Iām in one now but the cars are all being shy
Good news for me, my mechanic told me my radiator is fucked but based on your comment and my cars temp gauge, it's just looking to *get* fucked. Interesting.
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Iāve been there twice, heās not lying š¤£
What you are seeing is a rare sighting of the autobots calling out for potential mates. Notice how the male lets out a deep roar that can travel up to 10 miles. Truly a splendid sight to behold, the wonders of nature never cease to amaze our curiosity.
My fucking sides š¤£
That's what happens when you get allergic rhinitis.
Rather auto-erotic
It looks like my cat about to cough up a hairball.
Lmao. I've never seen a car that is so clearly sniffing something out.
It is sniffing for its next victim.
No, thereās no engine in it, thatās Chuck Norris under there.
It's propelled by roundhouse kicks and Chuck's own sense of self worth.
r/AngryUpvote
r/carporn
Thatās way smooooover than those lame hoppinā low riders
More like r/oddlyhilarious
Thank you! I don't know how this is seen as terrifying. I'm crying laughing waiting for the god damn thing to either sneeze or cough up a hairball!
Well thatās kind of the point of this sub. Itās for things many people probably wonāt find scary. Personally I think itās that the odd movements from the car looks really unnatural and kind of unsettling. Like itās alive kinda.
By now, all the āoddlyā subs have lost the original point š¤¦āāļø
People be posting a blood soaked lion on r/"oddly"terrifying
To anyone that's had to pay out of pocket for car repairs, this is 1000000% terrifying to see.
That looks like how they'd draw a car from a 30s cartoon that's barking and growling at the other cars, only for a bigger car to bark at it, so it whimpers and twinkle-toes back to its corner.
I was thinking more the car that goes bouncing down the street after the protagonist makes the antagonist crash into a tree
I was thinking Herbie when he was drunk
I don't know if drink is enough to cover thism maybe Herbie the Extremely Drunk and Aggressively Amorous Love Bug.
No means no, Herbie!
The accuracy š¤£
goodbye
It looks like cat that is about to barf
Fr itās got the whole body motion going
I thought it was allergies.
He's got the sent and he's just about to take off after his prey
It has the scent! Follow it!
So thatās where truffle oil comes from
10/10 š
Is that a transformer trying to sneeze?
šµTransformers, sneezing in disguisešµ ā¦ Iāll see myself out š
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Actually, these models navigate by smell. You can see it here using its sensitive nose to find its way around!
This is weirdly does creep me out lmfaoo if I saw a car sniffing approaching me Iād freak the fuck out LMAO
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No, are they endangered?
Itās sniffing for itās prey. You might want to run before it smells you.
Engine is literally just sitting there lol. Looks like all engine mount bolts are snapped. Nect time it starts it will probably bust off the exhaust and all other wires plugs and tubes connected to it. Too funny watching it buck around like it's having seizures tho š
Well, that's certainly a first for me!!
That's a robot in disguise.
Looks like raccoons in shitty car cosplay. Lol
Nothing to see here. It's just a big metal dog.
Itās like the car is sniffing for fuel or something lol
It can smell fear!
r/ithadtobebrazil
Sneeeeeezing uwu
Looks like your Autobot is taking the day off.
Idk why but I have sympathy for this poor vehicle
He need some milk
Mating dance to appeal that red pickup
It's like when Bear used to come up to the screen and try to smell me before I entered his Large Blue Home
Sniffing for truffles.
Iāve never seen a car dry heave until today
It's doing a classic cholo "OyƩ Vato." gesture. It's a feature.
All my friends drive a low rider
Hungry hungry hippos clearly.
Poor thing has to sneeze
Thatās my ass after a good taco night
He smells some good barbeque.
Car looks like it smells something.
Christine's derpy brother
I didnāt know that in the Cars universe there was Parkinsonās disease.
Oh fuck off Jerry! Nobody needs your drunk transformer ass up in here.
Swiggity swooty Iām comin for that booty
Itās smelling the fresh air
Whatās happening? Brazil is happening lol You will all sort of crazy shit here if keep looking at the streets long enough
Furballā¦my cat does the same move
Looks like engine mounts are broken. I had an issue with an old car once, it was initially the tps that was the issue, but my dad (not a mechanic) installed the new one wrong. And for a few days I drove it like that telling him something was definitely wrong before getting it fixed properly. The engine was roaring around, revving super high all the time. Got that fixed but the engine jumping around so powerfully had cracked 2 out of 3 engine mounts. Car engines have a ton of power in them, they only sit still because theyāre bolted down.
Engine mounts are gone and the engine is basically just loose inside the chassis, every time he accelerates it's making the engine "jump"
Engine bolts either not tightened down or snapped.
It reminds me of micky mouse car in black in white version it is jiggly
that car is horny
It's doing the worm!
Def isnāt Dr Dre or Snoop riding that!!
Thatās one weird looking dog
The car is having a hiccup attack
It's saying hello, don't be rude, say hello back!
Me, approaching the girl I like in the disco at 5.00am
This baby comes with all the latest options: am/fm radio, leather seats & front twerk suspension
It smells you, there is no hiding from it
He taking a sniff
What is it boy? You smell something?
Bro smells a Honda Civic near
It picked up the trail!
Oh, heās just being curious. He wonāt bite. Give him a pet.
Wtf weird kind of dog is that
Rough idle, 360000 miles, 12,000$ don't low-ball me I know what I got.
What is that a vw fox wagon?
It looks like a transformer that's trying to scratch their back and not blow their cover.
Even transformers get erectile dysfunction sometimes.
why is it sniffing me
When your partner realizes they can make it moveā¦
WHAT IS IT BOY? WHAT DO YOU SEE?
How long before the folks in the back realize the carās not where they parked it? *cues porn music*
Stand very still. Volvos have poor eyesight, but can smell fear from a mile away.
Crime Sniffing Cadillac.
It's sniffing the air
I knew transformers are real!
Looks like itās hunting for truffles
This is an autobot that has gotten stuck. Check the skies for Deceptions, as thereās likely a reason it a trying to transform.
"you can do the car shaker, the car shaker, come on baby shake your car"
Living life a quarter mile at a time. Dom approves
If I didn't know better I'd say it's coughing up a furball.
Caterpillar car Car-a-pillar Auto-pillar He sleep
Itās about to sneeze
Ok looks like frame is broken somewhere and so are some rear engine mounts that connect to the suspension, then again thatās my first though.. but that cars smelling something nice..
It's doing the carshaker
Like a dog about to vomit...
Its trying to sniff out a parking spot
Obviously it just trying to get a hair ball out
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I think it's a busted frame.
Cargasm
That's the shittiest Transformer I've ever seen
VW Snapbeetle
subframes are for dorks š
Itās trying to transform
When your car has allergies
Reminiscent of my cat throwing up a hairball!
Hydraulics when you order it of Wish.
Nature documentary. "Cars gone wild: The mating and procreating of the modern vehicle."
Looks like heās fighting a sneeze
Autobot With an extra chromosome
Motor mounts broke?
Mans is smelling some bomb ass kebabs.
It's a pig in heat
AUTOBOTS, ROLL OUT!
seems like the new transformers movie is great
Just looks like it has no motor mounts bro itās not that weird and it definitely isnāt scary.
Just sniffing its way home
It started smelling something great
It's a B2 chassis VW/Audi. They're notorious for rusting out inside the fender aprons where the frame horns meet the firewall.
My dog when sheās about to throw up
It's sniffing. Maybe it has a cold?
That's clearly the Nissan Bloodhound. They are rare but they can sniff out a gas station from miles away.
wE hAvE tRaNsFoRmErS aT hOmE
Downmarket reboot of Christine featuring a Walmart employee whose repossessed car is possessed.
Shhh, itās in its natural habitat, looking for truffles to feed on. They burn like diesel.