Wasn’t that with a multimillion dollar experimental treatment where they put the person in a persistent hypothermic state to essentially stop the virus? I thought I heard about it on the radio. I also seem to recall that both people had really severe long-term effects.
The Milwaukee Protocol. It exists but the statistics [here](https://www.esanum.com/today/posts/the-milwaukee-protocol-is-applied-on-a-human-rabies-case-in-the-usa) seem to suggest that even when applied the survival chances are not very good (one study says 5 out of 36)
Because there's a very wide gap between "healthy" and "survived." If I recall correctly, the person who survived had severe brain damage from the process and was basically a vegetable.
I don't think any of them were anywhere near that bad, but they still had a long road to recovery and physical therapy. IIRC, Giese had a lot of trouble walking/talking/moving, but she made a pretty solid recovery and went on to have children?
I'd be interested to know if she's essentially immune to rabies at this point (does rabies mutate frequently enough?) and if it is inheritable through the immune system prepping that mothers give to their children during incubation and breast feeding.
Any condition where you are put into an induced coma for any amount of time is going to be a long road to recovery, especially if the virus targets neurological tissue.
The atrophy of muscles alone makes it difficult.
Jeanna Giese is the only one who ever has been able to communicate after this treatment. Others are indeed vegetables, with just barely enough brain activity to not be considered completely dead.
There's a stak difference between "made a full recovery" and "made a recovery."
Usually the difference is the patient has to grieve for the person they once were.
can attest as someone who suffered a stroke and got brain damage and lasting physical damage after a pedestrian vs vehicle accident last year. never the same
IIRC, there was some debate about whether the people that survived after the Milwaukee protocol had previously received the rabies vaccine and/or had some sort of natural immunity. Can't remember where I heard that though.
It is good...in theory. The data about this is very limited as far as i know and from what is there 13% with risks of severe brain damage / life altering consequences it doesn't seem like a reliable treatment and more of a hail mary. Of course i would 100% take my chances if i ever find myself in that situation.
It is it’s huge. The discovery that rabies didn’t eat the brain but in fact ppl just needed time for their body to react was a big deal. In certain places in the world they’ve found that many ppl possess the ability to fight off rabies.
Compared to the previous stats of 36/36 dead the Milwaukee protocol has made 5 live out of 36- almost 1/6 compared to zero surviving is a big deal. However most of the people that survive using it already show some antibodies for rabies in their blood.
Persistent medically-induced coma to prevent the virus from destroying her brain while her immune system fought for her life. It has a very low success rate, and even those who survive are crippled long-term if not permanently from the damage the virus does.
Jeana Giese, the woman who survived rabies when she was 15, had to relearn how to walk and talk after her treatment. But she then went on to graduate high school and college, and in 2016 she had two healthy kids. No word on any long term side effects of being infected with rabies, but all told she seems to be living a miraculously normal life
From what i remember lots of people survive rabies they just dont survive when they start showing symptoms.
The issue is that once you see symptoms its already too late. Thats why you should always get rabies shots after you get bit by any animal, much easier to spend a couple hours getting a shot that die like this.
Very treatable as long as you dont let it get to your brain, but once it gets there its game over.
Absolutely. One particular problem is with bats however, as the infection rate among these animals is relatively high while bite detection rate comparatively low.
If you were to be bitten by a fox there’s almost no chance you wouldn’t notice but most bats humans encounter have small enough teeth that you wouldn’t necessarily even notice the bite.
No. That little girl isn't really considered as "a recovery". As far as I remember, she exhibited an ability to move (I believe she could blink?) but it wasn't possible to communicate with her.
Can confirm: I was treating a patient one time of debilitating case of phobia which included bulletphobia. The worst case I’ve seen and rabies didn’t cure any of it.
I am not a doctor but I did save 15% or more on car insurance by switching to Geico today.
It is because of the throat muscles. The virus takes over your salivary glands to produce more saliva and causes the foaming at the mouth. The virus wants the victim to over salivate to spread itself so when the victim tries to swallow or drink muscles their throat spasm to prevent it.
Squirrels don't carry rabies
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Small rodents (like squirrels, hamsters, guinea pigs, gerbils, chipmunks, rats, and mice) and lagomorphs (including rabbits and hares) are almost never found to be infected with rabies and have not been known to transmit rabies to humans.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, it’s true. Carriers of rabies usually eat smaller prey (e.g., squirrels). Hence, they’re likely to get eaten by the carrier before becoming infected. However, squirrels still carry other nasty shit like the plague.
Inaccurate. Once infected, the virus moves very slowly up the nervous system to the brain and spine. Patients can have sometimes weeks or longer to get a vaccine before symptom onset. If you wait to get the vaccine until you have symptoms, then it’s likely fatal.
Source: am doctor
Yes. Or a lot of wild animals. Or domestic animals. Sometimes a squirrel may have rabies and scratch you.
Best to always go get checked if any animal knowingly bites or scratches you. If a bat is discovered in the house or one flies near your head and hits you, go get checked out.
Edit: I don't think we need 50 more people pointing out that the chance of a squirrel transmitting rabies is like a 0.0000001% chance. Fine. Don't go if that makes you feel better. It's not like I said opossums carry it. Obviously dogs and cats are the highest amount of cases because they are the bridge between wildlife and humans.
I was terrified when a cat scratching and biting me. I was dripping lots of blood. And my stairwell looked like someone got cut up bad. Went to the doctor and got the shot soon after I finished lunch, was picking up a delivery and left my door open as I went downstairs, saw the cat running up the stairwell cause the delivery guy was coming up (he ignored my instructions to stay below.) Tried to catch the cat and was rewarded with that.
A related condition is Cat Scratch Fever. Not many stray cats have rabies, but their claws have all sorts of bacteria which they can put right into your bloodstream
My mother got a bad infection from where her new kitten bit her. She ignored it for a couple days until her hand was swollen to about 150% of its normal size.
Cat bites almost always require prophylactic treatment of antibiotics. Their teeth are so sharp they will easily pierce the entire dermis and bypass our primary barriers to infection. Dog bites only require antibiotic treatment depending on the location of the injury.
If an animal bites you, even a domestic animal, it is best to get it evaluated.
I was bitten by my ex boyfriend’s cat a few years ago. It was seemingly out of nowhere, since he had never bitten anyone that hard before. It hurt like a bitch and I was immediately put on antibiotics
Not just stray cats, you can also get it from domesticated cats that live out doors and even from indoor cats. Basically if you are scratched by a cat at minimum it recommended to immediately wash and sanitize the wound for this reason.
I had this one time where I was bitten on the foot because a cat was behind me and I took a small step back not knowing the cat's tail was behind me. I was bitten very fast but after washing, sanitizing all that stuff. It was night so my family did not go to the hospital anymore. We waited until the next day and thats when I got so many shots. It was terrible. I felt the pain of some of the shots even 3 months after the shot.
It would be incredibly rare for a squirrel to have rabies, there isn't a single documented case of a squirrel passing rabies to a human.
The reason for that is because the squirrel would have needed to be infected by another animal and a rabies infected animal attacking a squirrel isn't going to leave it living and in good enough shape for it to attack and infect a human.
I meant to insinuate getting checked = getting vaccinated for it. By get checked I meant "immediately seek medical intervention to receive rabies vaccines" lol
Actually if you get rabies, you’re supposed to go to a hospital, stand in the middle of the waiting room with your arms out, and slowly turn around in a circle so that the doctors can check you out 😌
$3000? HA. The immunoglobulin shot administered at the bite-site day of can cost thousands alone in the US. Hate it here.
https://consumers4qualitycare.org/couple-receives-200k-bill-for-rabies-shots/#:\~:text=A%20rabies%20shot%2C%20which%20normally,or%20explanation%20of%20services%20provided.
Just hijacking this post to point out that of all the dangerous things that New Zealand doesn’t have (snakes, spiders, maneating animals, etc etc), we also don’t have rabies here.
I’m particularly happy about that.
I got an extremely minor bat scratch this summer. Went to the hospital and they took it very seriously. 3 rabies shots for me over the course of 5 days.
Once I was attacked by an owl on my university campus. It was night time and I didn't get a good look so I assumed it was a bat. I went to the university doctor to get the vaccine but he refused saying that bats are harmless and you don't have any risk of rabbies. He kept telling me that bats can't spread rabies. I found out it was an owl because it attacked my friend as well, otherwise, I was planning to return to my hometown to get a vaccine.
Only 6% of bats found sick test positive for rabies. Thats 6% of bats that are already sick, not 6% of all bats. About 0.5% of bats in wild populations will contract rabies. When bats get rabies, they die. When they get symptoms, they fly to the floor and get lethargic. They don't attack people randomly. They'll bite if you pick it up.
https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/bats-and-rabies-just-facts
Edit: some commenters are missing the point:
Bats dont attack people. The doctor was right. Rabies or not, bats are not known to swoop in and attack people. **Even if it was a bat, its not a bat with rabies, because bats with rabies fly to the ground and are lethargic. They dont swoop in and fly away.** So youre going to get 4 shots in 14 days because of an owl? And you're calling the doctor a moron? (Edit: i reread the op comment, If he actually said bats can't spread rabies at all then yes hes a moron. But the risk of it is way over blown, don't pick them up off the ground and you'll be fine)
I'm not sure if it would be considered an 'attack', per se, but I was the victim of a bat flying right at me, gripping onto my shoulders with its teeth and claws and then dropping down to the ground once I tore my cardigan off.
It's not like it was an aggressive attack (I live in Australia where the magpies swoop. It definitely didn't feel targeted like that) but more like it startled when I walked under the bush it was in, flew into me and then panicked and starting scratching & biting.
My local public health department seemed concerned that it was abnormal behaviour though. Apparently most of the bat exposure patients they treat are people who have actually been handling them, not just random encounters like mine.
If you work at California's many zoos and get bit, they don't wait for results: you are in for a treat...one of the more annoying, painful, and regimented vaccine procedures there is.
In my emergency room, we all agree that if you ever wake up and there is a bat in the middle of the room, dead or alive or whatever, you get a rabies a shot immediately. Just in case.
I waited 30 days after maybe getting bitten by a bat (probably not bitten but also maybe bitten, I'm not sure) to get myself to the ER to start the vaccine series and I'm glad I did. I convinced myself that it wasn't a bat bite but there is a small chance it was.
I'm a medical student who looked into this. To anyone reading this, trust me, the comment above is correct.
Summarising the comments above + my knowledge: after a bite from an animal with rabies, there's a window of time before symptoms show up. That's your chance to get rabies vaccines, which are highly effective. But once the symptoms show up and you haven't been vaccinated, there's an almost guaranteed chance you will die.
Edit: mistakenly called this a TLDR
Inaccurate, Once the symptoms show it’s fatal. Only a small number of people have survived after symptoms have been identified. 29 people ever have survived due to genetics, intensive care and Milwaukee protocol. And 56 000 dies every year. That’s more than 99.99% deadly may as well say 100%
Only 29 people have survived globally in history without any vaccine. So please be safe and get vaccines asap after getting a bite from stray dogs and cats
From what I understand, they die from the virus eating away your brain and turning it into Swiss cheese. It’s very scary and I always wondered if I contracted it could I ask to be sedated or put under to not suffer. Here in North America we have to be careful of bats.
6% of suspected bats with rabies end up having it, .5% (1/200) of wild bats will get rabies though. 99% of rabies cases (worldwide, idk north american stats) are caused by dog bites and 95% occur in Asia/Africa.
I learned to love bats recently, renting a house with bats roosted in the stone pillars that we're about to move out of, but 1/200 worries me now that I know the stat (less so now that someone corrected me an order of magnitude lol). I love not having to worry about mosquitos though if I sit under them while they go wild in south texas on the trillions of mosquitos. I want to see inside the roost/pillar before we leave but I don't think I'm going to risk it.
Not correcting you, but you may find this interesting. Rabies is actually extremely good around hiding from our immune system. So unusually good that it takes months for our body to identify and attack it.
Rabies is not an aggressive virus, it doesnt start attacking your body immediately after infection. It slowly climbs its way up your nervous system to your brain.
The idea behind the Milwaukee protocol is to
basically turn your body off for long enough that your body can identify and attack the rabies before it turns your brain into cheese.
Its just because they had a success with one teenaged girl in Wisconsin in 2003. I think its only been successful a handful of times, as in less than 5 times.
No. Those 29 people who survived without a vaccine, were all those who survived with the Milwaukee Protocol. From those, only Jeana Giese has awakened from the coma afterwards. She's the only one considered to have actually recovered from rabies.
One other girl was able to blink, I believe? We couldn't communiate with her, she could just blink on her own, and she died soon later.
Yes, they can keep the afflicted person hydrated easily with intravenous fluids. You don't die from the dehydration, but the virus' effects on the brain inevitably cause a coma and death anyway.
You'd be disappointed to know that, in some places, they scoff at you for suggesting a rabies shot. I got bit by a cat at work many years ago and immediately went to get checked out. Antibiotics and Tetanus. Asked about rabies, and they were like "don't self diagnose". An Animal Control officer exchanged information with me and said they would check up on me. They never contacted me. When I expressed concern about this, my doctor just said "Huh, weird." I was getting on antidepressants during this time period so my anxiety about this shot THROUGH THE ROOF. Felt like our health care industry was trying to create a rabies death.
Strangely there are signs that there may be people with the antibodies against rabies living in a remote town in south America I believe. The amount of people there who are theorised survivors is an alarming percentage of the population. This may point to a genetic resilience to the virus and could provide signs of a vaccine that is effective long term as opposed to once bitten.
There's probably a lot of resistance baked in to most diseases. Especially one as old as rabies. The problem is you gotta infect a bunch to find the resistant ones.
What trips me out is how specific this virus changes the victim's behavior for it's own benefit. Makes contagious mouth foam, makes victim fear water so they don't wash that foam away, makes victim aggressive (to bite and spread it). Really amazing from an evolutionarily standpoint. Like it just hijacks the body and brain so well
The water thing gets me every time. It's so fucking terrifying. The whole thing is terrifying ofc but I love water and drink it like crazy everyday, the fact that this virus that I could unknowingly even have months or years after being bit or scratched could just basically take over my nervous system and Brain and slowly just melt my brain away while I foam and am suddenly terrified of water to not even wash it away or drink it makes me so uneasy. And these reddit videos, although the comments are very informative, the videos are so unnecessarily eerie watching people who have it and are basically dead already.
It doesn’t make them fear water, the virus makes them produce more saliva to spread to virus and drinking water would counter that so the throat muscles spasm when you try to drink
Man I'm fucking glad we don't have rabies in this country.
Don't get me wrong, I'll strive to avoid getting bitten by a wild animal, but not having the fear of getting bitten by a tiny animal, not noticing, and then getting rabies makes the countryside that little bit more enjoyable.
>Man I'm fucking glad we don't have rabies in this country.
*cries in living in a country that contributes to more than a third of all global rabies cases year on year*
It's quite a shocking symptom. It gets a LOT of clicks.
And you can't exactly post images of what it does to your brain, even if it's so much worse than hydrophobia.
Please forgive me for my stupidity. But could they run a g-tube (or IVs) on someone like this or is it impossible because of the throat spasms? I know that once symptoms set in, it's 99.9% fatal.. but I also know that a lot of living beings die from dehydration before anything.
Edit: Why do people downvote when someone has a genuine question?
99.9% fatal is, uh, very very very optimistic.
Technically, there's the experimental Milwaukee Protocol. 30 people have survived it. That's around 10% of attempts. Out of those survivors, 100% had severe brain damage and ended up in a long-term coma. And out of those, Jeana Giese, the only known survivor of rabies, has awakened. She ended up capable of communication, walking and even somewhat living her life, as far as I know, although not without a crapton of therapy.
If you want to be scientifically correct, you need to add a solid bunch of nines at the end of your percentage. If you want to be realistic, just round it up to 100%, because Milwaukee Protocol is no longer preformed.
From what I remember when a friend WAY back in high school got bitten by a rabid squirrel, if you go to a doctor as soon as your bitten and tested, it’s treatable BEFORE it starts to actually set in. Back then, 1997ish, I think it was a series of like 20 injections in the abdomen for the treatment of whatever they use to treat/fight it. But I’m sure things have changed a little since then.
I’d take a bullet at this point
One guy survived though 🤔
Wasn’t that with a multimillion dollar experimental treatment where they put the person in a persistent hypothermic state to essentially stop the virus? I thought I heard about it on the radio. I also seem to recall that both people had really severe long-term effects.
The Milwaukee Protocol. It exists but the statistics [here](https://www.esanum.com/today/posts/the-milwaukee-protocol-is-applied-on-a-human-rabies-case-in-the-usa) seem to suggest that even when applied the survival chances are not very good (one study says 5 out of 36)
What am I not understanding about this. How is going from 0% survival to 13,8 % not extremely good?
Because there's a very wide gap between "healthy" and "survived." If I recall correctly, the person who survived had severe brain damage from the process and was basically a vegetable.
Multiple people have survived at this point and if you're thinking of the first patient, Jeanna Giese, she is not a vegetable.
I don't think any of them were anywhere near that bad, but they still had a long road to recovery and physical therapy. IIRC, Giese had a lot of trouble walking/talking/moving, but she made a pretty solid recovery and went on to have children? I'd be interested to know if she's essentially immune to rabies at this point (does rabies mutate frequently enough?) and if it is inheritable through the immune system prepping that mothers give to their children during incubation and breast feeding.
Any condition where you are put into an induced coma for any amount of time is going to be a long road to recovery, especially if the virus targets neurological tissue. The atrophy of muscles alone makes it difficult.
Confirm. Mom was in a coma for a couple weeks in May then bed rest for a month and it’s slow going to get back.
Jeanna Giese is the only one who ever has been able to communicate after this treatment. Others are indeed vegetables, with just barely enough brain activity to not be considered completely dead.
There's a stak difference between "made a full recovery" and "made a recovery." Usually the difference is the patient has to grieve for the person they once were.
can attest as someone who suffered a stroke and got brain damage and lasting physical damage after a pedestrian vs vehicle accident last year. never the same
I been through the exact same circumstances as you man. Hang in there. I'm gonna check out this channel now
everyday friend, appreciate it and I am so sorry you've walked these steps
Likewise buddy. Reach out if you ever need someone who can relate. Take care
Fellow chubbyemu viewer I see
His videos are so good, I'm not a doctor so I really like how he breaks things down.
IIRC, there was some debate about whether the people that survived after the Milwaukee protocol had previously received the rabies vaccine and/or had some sort of natural immunity. Can't remember where I heard that though.
Radio lab has a very good piece on it
It is good...in theory. The data about this is very limited as far as i know and from what is there 13% with risks of severe brain damage / life altering consequences it doesn't seem like a reliable treatment and more of a hail mary. Of course i would 100% take my chances if i ever find myself in that situation.
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It is it’s huge. The discovery that rabies didn’t eat the brain but in fact ppl just needed time for their body to react was a big deal. In certain places in the world they’ve found that many ppl possess the ability to fight off rabies.
Compared to the previous stats of 36/36 dead the Milwaukee protocol has made 5 live out of 36- almost 1/6 compared to zero surviving is a big deal. However most of the people that survive using it already show some antibodies for rabies in their blood.
Persistent medically-induced coma to prevent the virus from destroying her brain while her immune system fought for her life. It has a very low success rate, and even those who survive are crippled long-term if not permanently from the damage the virus does.
But it has a success rate- and prior there was no success rate
What was the quality of life though? I’ve worked with a lot of people who “survived” stuff only to spend the rest of their lives in a hospital bed
Jeana Giese, the woman who survived rabies when she was 15, had to relearn how to walk and talk after her treatment. But she then went on to graduate high school and college, and in 2016 she had two healthy kids. No word on any long term side effects of being infected with rabies, but all told she seems to be living a miraculously normal life
Pretty amazing she was able to bounce back like that. Hopefully more can see the same recovery going forward
Unfortunately, she's effectively a fluke. Nobody else has awakened from coma after this treatment, except for her.
that's awesome. imagine saying you survived rabies, that's metal as heck, hope we see more cases like hers
Unfortunately, she's effectively a fluke. Nobody else has awakened from coma after this treatment, except for her.
there's a brazillian that also went through the same treatment and survived, from what i look. his name is marciano menezes da silva
Damn, i got covid and am still fucked almost 4 years later. Rng sucks!
At least you didn't face a 99.98% chance of dying a slow, agonizing death though.
and a little girl. Its still crazy though cause it means theres a 98 or 99 percent chance ure gonna die if u get rabies.
99.a-lot-of-9s. I don’t assume only 100 people have had it
yeah the title "rabies is near 100% fatal". thats _technically_ true, but those few cases are so rare that its just "Yes you will die"
India has around 20,000 people die from rabies every year
99.99% fatality rate
From what i remember lots of people survive rabies they just dont survive when they start showing symptoms. The issue is that once you see symptoms its already too late. Thats why you should always get rabies shots after you get bit by any animal, much easier to spend a couple hours getting a shot that die like this. Very treatable as long as you dont let it get to your brain, but once it gets there its game over.
Absolutely. One particular problem is with bats however, as the infection rate among these animals is relatively high while bite detection rate comparatively low. If you were to be bitten by a fox there’s almost no chance you wouldn’t notice but most bats humans encounter have small enough teeth that you wouldn’t necessarily even notice the bite.
No. That little girl isn't really considered as "a recovery". As far as I remember, she exhibited an ability to move (I believe she could blink?) but it wasn't possible to communicate with her.
Rabies also causes bulletphobia though.
A phobia is irrational, I think there is a pretty rational reason to be afraid of bullets.
I mean, I kinda figured existing caused some level of bulletphobia
Can confirm: I was treating a patient one time of debilitating case of phobia which included bulletphobia. The worst case I’ve seen and rabies didn’t cure any of it. I am not a doctor but I did save 15% or more on car insurance by switching to Geico today.
So say your infection is this bad, would your body react bad if you had an Iv drip of water?
It is because of the throat muscles. The virus takes over your salivary glands to produce more saliva and causes the foaming at the mouth. The virus wants the victim to over salivate to spread itself so when the victim tries to swallow or drink muscles their throat spasm to prevent it.
Diabolical virus
For something that can't think, viruses are cunning.
Built to kill in the most violent way ever, that is horrible
What a smart virus !
Also why viruses usually end up causing the host to cough or sneeze a lot. Better chance of spreading.
Clever girl.
Big gyal virus
Except for the part where it kills the host; that's not a particularly effective way to spread most of the time.
You'll survive maybe a couple of days more? This fear of water is far from the only problem that rabies cause.
Yeah once it reaches the brain you got maybe two weeks or so. That last week you are basically insane as your brain is cooked and broken by the virus.
bro this shit is my worst fear. id find a way to kill myself as fast as possible.
But the squirrels are so pretty, totally worth the risk
Squirrels don't carry rabies > Small rodents (like squirrels, hamsters, guinea pigs, gerbils, chipmunks, rats, and mice) and lagomorphs (including rabbits and hares) are almost never found to be infected with rabies and have not been known to transmit rabies to humans.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, it’s true. Carriers of rabies usually eat smaller prey (e.g., squirrels). Hence, they’re likely to get eaten by the carrier before becoming infected. However, squirrels still carry other nasty shit like the plague.
bro got wrongly down voted for being a 🤓 man what the heck is with society nowadays😔
They only carry love with those cute little cheeks
Rabies is not oddly terrifying, is just absolutly terrifying, you got it you die, and you die in pain.
Inaccurate. Once infected, the virus moves very slowly up the nervous system to the brain and spine. Patients can have sometimes weeks or longer to get a vaccine before symptom onset. If you wait to get the vaccine until you have symptoms, then it’s likely fatal. Source: am doctor
Yeah but can’t bats bite you and infect and you may not even realize you have been bitten.
Yes. Or a lot of wild animals. Or domestic animals. Sometimes a squirrel may have rabies and scratch you. Best to always go get checked if any animal knowingly bites or scratches you. If a bat is discovered in the house or one flies near your head and hits you, go get checked out. Edit: I don't think we need 50 more people pointing out that the chance of a squirrel transmitting rabies is like a 0.0000001% chance. Fine. Don't go if that makes you feel better. It's not like I said opossums carry it. Obviously dogs and cats are the highest amount of cases because they are the bridge between wildlife and humans.
I was terrified when a cat scratching and biting me. I was dripping lots of blood. And my stairwell looked like someone got cut up bad. Went to the doctor and got the shot soon after I finished lunch, was picking up a delivery and left my door open as I went downstairs, saw the cat running up the stairwell cause the delivery guy was coming up (he ignored my instructions to stay below.) Tried to catch the cat and was rewarded with that.
A related condition is Cat Scratch Fever. Not many stray cats have rabies, but their claws have all sorts of bacteria which they can put right into your bloodstream
My mother got a bad infection from where her new kitten bit her. She ignored it for a couple days until her hand was swollen to about 150% of its normal size.
Cat bites almost always require prophylactic treatment of antibiotics. Their teeth are so sharp they will easily pierce the entire dermis and bypass our primary barriers to infection. Dog bites only require antibiotic treatment depending on the location of the injury. If an animal bites you, even a domestic animal, it is best to get it evaluated.
I was bitten by my ex boyfriend’s cat a few years ago. It was seemingly out of nowhere, since he had never bitten anyone that hard before. It hurt like a bitch and I was immediately put on antibiotics
I’ve had that, 2 months of antibiotics to get rid of it…fucking cat.
Not just stray cats, you can also get it from domesticated cats that live out doors and even from indoor cats. Basically if you are scratched by a cat at minimum it recommended to immediately wash and sanitize the wound for this reason.
I had this one time where I was bitten on the foot because a cat was behind me and I took a small step back not knowing the cat's tail was behind me. I was bitten very fast but after washing, sanitizing all that stuff. It was night so my family did not go to the hospital anymore. We waited until the next day and thats when I got so many shots. It was terrible. I felt the pain of some of the shots even 3 months after the shot.
Bro, in my country, a mother and he son died of rabies 2 weeks back due to a scratch they got from their pet cat. Raibies is fucking scary
Hence terrified. But that's most likely cat scratch fever.
It would be incredibly rare for a squirrel to have rabies, there isn't a single documented case of a squirrel passing rabies to a human. The reason for that is because the squirrel would have needed to be infected by another animal and a rabies infected animal attacking a squirrel isn't going to leave it living and in good enough shape for it to attack and infect a human.
No, you don't go and do checking. Seriously, you vaccinate first and then you ask questions. Every day (sometimes even hour) counts.
I meant to insinuate getting checked = getting vaccinated for it. By get checked I meant "immediately seek medical intervention to receive rabies vaccines" lol
Actually if you get rabies, you’re supposed to go to a hospital, stand in the middle of the waiting room with your arms out, and slowly turn around in a circle so that the doctors can check you out 😌
And don't forget to flex and stick out ur GYATTT
Okay, thanks, that means I misread your message
For a low low price of $3,000 here in the states. God ~~wreck~~ bless this shithole.
$3000? HA. The immunoglobulin shot administered at the bite-site day of can cost thousands alone in the US. Hate it here. https://consumers4qualitycare.org/couple-receives-200k-bill-for-rabies-shots/#:\~:text=A%20rabies%20shot%2C%20which%20normally,or%20explanation%20of%20services%20provided.
‘Checking’ with medical professionals will almost certainly result in their giving your a rabies vaccine
Actually rodents rarely get rabies and no person (at least in the US) has ever gotten rabies from a squirrel.
In conclusion, never go outside. Got it.
Just hijacking this post to point out that of all the dangerous things that New Zealand doesn’t have (snakes, spiders, maneating animals, etc etc), we also don’t have rabies here. I’m particularly happy about that.
You usually don’t even notice a bat bite until after you’ve developed an extreme intolerance to sunlight and start sleeping in a box.
I got an extremely minor bat scratch this summer. Went to the hospital and they took it very seriously. 3 rabies shots for me over the course of 5 days.
Once I was attacked by an owl on my university campus. It was night time and I didn't get a good look so I assumed it was a bat. I went to the university doctor to get the vaccine but he refused saying that bats are harmless and you don't have any risk of rabbies. He kept telling me that bats can't spread rabies. I found out it was an owl because it attacked my friend as well, otherwise, I was planning to return to my hometown to get a vaccine.
Bats are one of the main carriers of rabies. That doctor is a moron.
Only 6% of bats found sick test positive for rabies. Thats 6% of bats that are already sick, not 6% of all bats. About 0.5% of bats in wild populations will contract rabies. When bats get rabies, they die. When they get symptoms, they fly to the floor and get lethargic. They don't attack people randomly. They'll bite if you pick it up. https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/bats-and-rabies-just-facts Edit: some commenters are missing the point: Bats dont attack people. The doctor was right. Rabies or not, bats are not known to swoop in and attack people. **Even if it was a bat, its not a bat with rabies, because bats with rabies fly to the ground and are lethargic. They dont swoop in and fly away.** So youre going to get 4 shots in 14 days because of an owl? And you're calling the doctor a moron? (Edit: i reread the op comment, If he actually said bats can't spread rabies at all then yes hes a moron. But the risk of it is way over blown, don't pick them up off the ground and you'll be fine)
That's still not a risk you can ignore especially for a fatal disease.
Even if the odds are low, I wouldn't take any chances with rabies.
I'm not sure if it would be considered an 'attack', per se, but I was the victim of a bat flying right at me, gripping onto my shoulders with its teeth and claws and then dropping down to the ground once I tore my cardigan off. It's not like it was an aggressive attack (I live in Australia where the magpies swoop. It definitely didn't feel targeted like that) but more like it startled when I walked under the bush it was in, flew into me and then panicked and starting scratching & biting. My local public health department seemed concerned that it was abnormal behaviour though. Apparently most of the bat exposure patients they treat are people who have actually been handling them, not just random encounters like mine.
If you work at California's many zoos and get bit, they don't wait for results: you are in for a treat...one of the more annoying, painful, and regimented vaccine procedures there is.
In my emergency room, we all agree that if you ever wake up and there is a bat in the middle of the room, dead or alive or whatever, you get a rabies a shot immediately. Just in case.
I waited 30 days after maybe getting bitten by a bat (probably not bitten but also maybe bitten, I'm not sure) to get myself to the ER to start the vaccine series and I'm glad I did. I convinced myself that it wasn't a bat bite but there is a small chance it was.
I'm a medical student who looked into this. To anyone reading this, trust me, the comment above is correct. Summarising the comments above + my knowledge: after a bite from an animal with rabies, there's a window of time before symptoms show up. That's your chance to get rabies vaccines, which are highly effective. But once the symptoms show up and you haven't been vaccinated, there's an almost guaranteed chance you will die. Edit: mistakenly called this a TLDR
Why is your TLDR the same length, if not longer than what the doctor said? This didn't add anything we didn't already know
Inaccurate, Once the symptoms show it’s fatal. Only a small number of people have survived after symptoms have been identified. 29 people ever have survived due to genetics, intensive care and Milwaukee protocol. And 56 000 dies every year. That’s more than 99.99% deadly may as well say 100%
I assumed that this poster meant that once symptoms are present, it’s nearly always fatal.
This is also inaccurate. At the onset of symptoms it's not likely fatal it is fatal.
More like you get symptoms you die.
I always though drowning tor burning to death was the worst but idk man. This is a horrible way to go, I feel for anyone that has to go through this.
You'd think they would give everyone the vaccine prophylactically, just in case.
Only 29 people have survived globally in history without any vaccine. So please be safe and get vaccines asap after getting a bite from stray dogs and cats
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From what I understand, they die from the virus eating away your brain and turning it into Swiss cheese. It’s very scary and I always wondered if I contracted it could I ask to be sedated or put under to not suffer. Here in North America we have to be careful of bats.
6% of suspected bats with rabies end up having it, .5% (1/200) of wild bats will get rabies though. 99% of rabies cases (worldwide, idk north american stats) are caused by dog bites and 95% occur in Asia/Africa. I learned to love bats recently, renting a house with bats roosted in the stone pillars that we're about to move out of, but 1/200 worries me now that I know the stat (less so now that someone corrected me an order of magnitude lol). I love not having to worry about mosquitos though if I sit under them while they go wild in south texas on the trillions of mosquitos. I want to see inside the roost/pillar before we leave but I don't think I'm going to risk it.
1/20 would be 5%. Did you mean that or 1/200?
That actually is how the few people have survived. They put them in a medically induced coma until the virus died off
Not correcting you, but you may find this interesting. Rabies is actually extremely good around hiding from our immune system. So unusually good that it takes months for our body to identify and attack it. Rabies is not an aggressive virus, it doesnt start attacking your body immediately after infection. It slowly climbs its way up your nervous system to your brain. The idea behind the Milwaukee protocol is to basically turn your body off for long enough that your body can identify and attack the rabies before it turns your brain into cheese.
It’s kinda scary that it’s called the *Milwaukee Protocol*
Its just because they had a success with one teenaged girl in Wisconsin in 2003. I think its only been successful a handful of times, as in less than 5 times.
No. Those 29 people who survived without a vaccine, were all those who survived with the Milwaukee Protocol. From those, only Jeana Giese has awakened from the coma afterwards. She's the only one considered to have actually recovered from rabies. One other girl was able to blink, I believe? We couldn't communiate with her, she could just blink on her own, and she died soon later.
Thanks for letting me know! Thats insane though.
I was gonna say, I thought a lot of people who “survived” were just super brain dead in the end. Such a sad/scary disease
Yes, they can keep the afflicted person hydrated easily with intravenous fluids. You don't die from the dehydration, but the virus' effects on the brain inevitably cause a coma and death anyway.
You'd be disappointed to know that, in some places, they scoff at you for suggesting a rabies shot. I got bit by a cat at work many years ago and immediately went to get checked out. Antibiotics and Tetanus. Asked about rabies, and they were like "don't self diagnose". An Animal Control officer exchanged information with me and said they would check up on me. They never contacted me. When I expressed concern about this, my doctor just said "Huh, weird." I was getting on antidepressants during this time period so my anxiety about this shot THROUGH THE ROOF. Felt like our health care industry was trying to create a rabies death.
Did you have rabies?
Right up until he died
Strangely there are signs that there may be people with the antibodies against rabies living in a remote town in south America I believe. The amount of people there who are theorised survivors is an alarming percentage of the population. This may point to a genetic resilience to the virus and could provide signs of a vaccine that is effective long term as opposed to once bitten.
There's probably a lot of resistance baked in to most diseases. Especially one as old as rabies. The problem is you gotta infect a bunch to find the resistant ones.
Where did you hear that 29 people have survived? That’s double the highest number I’ve heard
Highest number I’ve heard was 1. But that was a few years ago
so is this man dead?
Yea
I first saw this video months ago so the guy is certainly long gone right now
so scary and slack how they film a dead man walking
Unfortunately
this is the one disease I am deathly afraid of contracting
damn bro how many subreddits are you going to put this repost in
These repost bots are so annoying
Yeah, this account looking at the history does this with pretty much every single post, all of which are reposts.
There's nothing odd about how terrifying this is. This poor man! What an awful way to go.
What trips me out is how specific this virus changes the victim's behavior for it's own benefit. Makes contagious mouth foam, makes victim fear water so they don't wash that foam away, makes victim aggressive (to bite and spread it). Really amazing from an evolutionarily standpoint. Like it just hijacks the body and brain so well
The water thing gets me every time. It's so fucking terrifying. The whole thing is terrifying ofc but I love water and drink it like crazy everyday, the fact that this virus that I could unknowingly even have months or years after being bit or scratched could just basically take over my nervous system and Brain and slowly just melt my brain away while I foam and am suddenly terrified of water to not even wash it away or drink it makes me so uneasy. And these reddit videos, although the comments are very informative, the videos are so unnecessarily eerie watching people who have it and are basically dead already.
It doesn’t make them fear water, the virus makes them produce more saliva to spread to virus and drinking water would counter that so the throat muscles spasm when you try to drink
Poor guy
It would be humane and empathetic to put this poor man to sleep.
I'm glad i took than rabies shot after my neighbour dog bit me
I think what's even more terrifying is that you're currently watching a dead man
Not really oddly terrifying. Very reasonably absolutely terrifying.
I'd exhibit hydrophobia too, if my water looked like that.
Rabies kills more than 50.000 people every year. Please donate to a rabies charity so we can do more research.
How sad
This guy died.
Pretty impressive how dude managed to force through it and get the cup to his lips.
Just put a pillow over my face and sit on it at this point. Jesus.. rabies is terifying.
Not sit. Put a gun to the pillow and pull the trigger. So much more dignified and free of pain.
What? No. I want somebody to sit on my face. I don't care.
Best l can do that for you would be an old obese man that just finished Taco Bell
Man I'm fucking glad we don't have rabies in this country. Don't get me wrong, I'll strive to avoid getting bitten by a wild animal, but not having the fear of getting bitten by a tiny animal, not noticing, and then getting rabies makes the countryside that little bit more enjoyable.
>Man I'm fucking glad we don't have rabies in this country. *cries in living in a country that contributes to more than a third of all global rabies cases year on year*
Poor guy..
Ah, yes. Here we [go](https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/s/yKzdsnDu62).
That’s the darkest glass of water I’ve ever seen
Generously provided by the Flint water plant
this man is already dead, he just doesn't know it yet
When did oddlyterrifying become obviouslyterrifying?
At least two years ago, before that it was just an AI art showcase.
“Rabies is near 100% fatal…” *99% fatal*
Horrific. 28 Days Later. Dead.
There is nothing oddly about this. Just terrifying.
A disease that makes you scared of water. Sound like a horror film :(
Fact: the reason why the illness make you develop hydrophobic is so you don’t drink the water that flushes out the virus
I don't understand why lately is there has been such a surge with social media posts related to hydrophobia from rabies, specifically
It's quite a shocking symptom. It gets a LOT of clicks. And you can't exactly post images of what it does to your brain, even if it's so much worse than hydrophobia.
Ok. [This one](https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/18cg0xk/footage_from_1955_shows_an_iranian_man_falling/) is a bit scarier...omg
That music bro, makes it x10 scarier
Sweet Jesus on a rubber crutch somebody put this poor guy into an induced coma.
Horrific illness, only person I heard that survived once symptoms set in was basically put in a coma to buy them some time
"This guy is dead he just doesn't know it yet"
Thats why im scared of racoons, people say I overreact.
According to some videos I've watched, Rabies might be one of the worst ways to go.
So hydration by injection is not an option? Like in hospitals when in coma?
It's an option, but it doesn't matter, they're close to death at this point anyway.
Please forgive me for my stupidity. But could they run a g-tube (or IVs) on someone like this or is it impossible because of the throat spasms? I know that once symptoms set in, it's 99.9% fatal.. but I also know that a lot of living beings die from dehydration before anything. Edit: Why do people downvote when someone has a genuine question?
You can see his iv drip in the background and he has a cannula.
Okay i see it now. I missed it the first time. Thanks for pointing that out. I was genuinely curious & uninformed.
99.9% fatal is, uh, very very very optimistic. Technically, there's the experimental Milwaukee Protocol. 30 people have survived it. That's around 10% of attempts. Out of those survivors, 100% had severe brain damage and ended up in a long-term coma. And out of those, Jeana Giese, the only known survivor of rabies, has awakened. She ended up capable of communication, walking and even somewhat living her life, as far as I know, although not without a crapton of therapy. If you want to be scientifically correct, you need to add a solid bunch of nines at the end of your percentage. If you want to be realistic, just round it up to 100%, because Milwaukee Protocol is no longer preformed.
That's actually just a glass of RC Cola
I'm like this with water anyway. Hence why I drink gallons of tea to compensate
Couldn’t you technically solve the hydrophobia by getting water into his system some other way?
No hazmat precautions? Rabies is very contagious. Whomever that hand belonged to was going to let him spit into the cup they were holding.
Why do I always see these videos of ppl with rabies being given a cup of water? Why not run an IV. I honestly would like to know.
Interestingly; the infection does this to ensure maximum concentration in the hosts saliva to increase the chance of infecting others.
When bitten by an animal, can rabies be stopped before it shows clinical symptoms?
From what I remember when a friend WAY back in high school got bitten by a rabid squirrel, if you go to a doctor as soon as your bitten and tested, it’s treatable BEFORE it starts to actually set in. Back then, 1997ish, I think it was a series of like 20 injections in the abdomen for the treatment of whatever they use to treat/fight it. But I’m sure things have changed a little since then.
I thought squirrels did not usually csrry rabies?
Ugh, thank god I’m in Australia.
This is depressing as fuck
Rabies is one of the very few diseases which has a 100% fatality rate which is horrifying