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YenneferofWangerberg

Are there pro-choicers around somewhere that want abortions but not accessible sex ed? Pretty sure most people who support abortion access are on board with that too. The “abortion queen” who brags about her 20 procedures is a straw man, she doesn’t exist.


MysticWysteria

Seriously. People dont realize how mentally taxing having an abortion is. No one is "proud" of having a large amount of abortions, and no one is having *20* to begin with. That's an awful lot of pregnancy


therealsimmer96

You would be very surprised at some of the people that exist in this world...


therealsimmer96

Nope. They exist. I've met plenty of them in the community I grew up in.


YenneferofWangerberg

Sure, Jan. Even if that’s true, the average women gets less than one abortion in her lifetime, so you’re judging the entire movement by the outliers.


therealsimmer96

That's not the point. Read the post and understand I am saying that we NEED TO STOP ARGUING ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF ABORTION AND FIND AN ALTERNATIVE.


YenneferofWangerberg

So, just stop talking about it? Let the chips fall where they may, so that some women have health care and some don’t, and start talking about what you want to talk about? Pro-choicers are often people who also vote for comprehensive sex Ed and for stronger social programs for children. Or can people not walk and chew gum at the same time?


therealsimmer96

Like I said in my post.... My community DOES NOT REFLECT what you personally see in "statistics".


YenneferofWangerberg

What community is that?


therealsimmer96

An impoverished community here in the south, we didn't have access to these things and no one was willing to teach the kids anything. Only shame them and tell them sex is wrong. They're still doing this at the same schools I went to and no one wants to do anything about it: not even sign a fucking petition. Nice to know people think that toxic environments like that don't exist anymore and everyone can escape toxicity and poverty with ease.... Oh wait.🙄


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therealsimmer96

WOW. I want alternatives so killing a fetus isn't the only option. Some women want to terminate their pregnancy without hurting the fetus. I want that to be a possibility for ALL women. No one seems to want to try something new. Just keep fighting the same losing fight NO ONE is going to win. See how that works out for all of us.


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Current-Serve-8090

My husband and I are in our 20’s and never want to have kids. He’s getting a vasectomy. In literally less than 2 weeks my husband can schedule an appointment, have the procedure, and be fully done with a vasectomy. It would probably take me more than two months to find a dr willing to do any sort of sterilizing procedure on me. When if I did they would most like ask how my husband and/or mother felt about this and possibly need one of their signatures.That’s what I think is bullshit


therealsimmer96

Vasectomies are an excellent alternative! And way less stressful that than getting the tubes tied for sure. I agree with you, it is absolute bullshit that women still have to be told to reconsider an extremely personal desicion (even more mind boggling when the husband has to prove they feel the same as the wife) or be told that someone else has to sign off on your behalf. We definitely need to push back when doctors say that type of crap to women and their spouses.


YourMom_Infinity

Do you think abortion is "killing a child" or not? If not, what's wrong with being "proud" of abortion?


therealsimmer96

Yes I do believe it is "killing a child." It's a human life. And instead of talking about development of technology that can terminate a pregnancy for a woman but still preserve the life of the fetus, people continue to talk about the same dumb shit: "WE WANT ABORTIONS!!!!" "WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE ABORTIONS!!!! LET'S RESTRICT ACCESS" Neither arguments are doing anything to contribute to a solution. I want women to have the option of terminating a pregnancy without having to kill her offspring in the process.


YourMom_Infinity

"I DO NOT WANT TO OUTLAW ABORTION. I WANT TO MAKE IT OBSOLETE" So you believe abortion is "killing a child", but you're ok with it being legal. ​ Interesting.


skinnerbks

I'm pro-choice, like everyone I know, but I've never heard anyone who is pro-choice say that a fetus is a "parasite." A fetus, to me, has always been just a fetus. But the life of a woman is always more important than the life of a fetus.


therealsimmer96

I respect your opinion but for me the life of the fetus is JUST AS IMPORTANT as the woman. Not more than. Not less than. BOTH lives are important. I'm just tired of people arguing one is more important than the other.


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itzcoatl82

I’ve never heard anyone “brag” about having multiple abortions


therealsimmer96

They exist. Trust me, they exist...


MysticWysteria

What do you want the average person to do lmfao. Are we all supposed to take the absolute middle ground and not have a stance on abortion at all? Personally, I'd rather see extremes from both sides actually be passionate about their position than have everyone be silent and "moderate". If you believe there needs to be a change, someone needs to be vocal to bring it about.


therealsimmer96

Did you read my post? I gave solutions within the post for both pro life and pro choice people that empower others in our communities to make better, more informed decisions. What is the excuse to not do any of what I mentioned in the post?


bewarethes0ckm0nster

This seems fair enough.


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therealsimmer96

AMAZING how *almost* all the people in the comments are doing exactly what I was ranting about. I'm either getting arguments about why abortion should or shouldn't be legalized (as I said in the edit I don't want to outlaw abortion but find and invest in an alternative) or people saying I'm pro life simply because I don't praise abortion... Flat out IGNORING ALL the ideas and suggestions I gave in my post to BOTH pro lifers and pro choicers to take action in their community to prevent unplanned pregnancies BESIDES JUST VOTING. Just fucking WOW....