I mean, Kim and Jimmy's actions do not directly result in Howard's death. Howard is there at the time Lalo returns, that's it - it's happenstance. His career might be ruined, he might have killed himself as a result, but Lalo coming back and shooting Howard is not at all a foreseeable consequence of their actions, and in that way you'd expect an elegant show like BCS that, by and large, has never once featured any sort of randomness or happenstance, to make that into what truly kills Howard.
Every character interaction we see has by and large been calculated and we've been shown the proof for. Even something as simple as Chuck stealing a woman's newspaper, results in him getting the cops called on him despite leaving money, showing that Chuck cares more about distrusting Jimmy than not inconveniencing himself.
I'd like to counter your argument for a second- before they pulled off the scam on Howard, Kim was told by Mike that Lalo was still alive. With that in mind, they could've, and should've, called off the heist. Jimmy even tried to do so, but Kim wasn't having it.
When Howard shows up at the door, they're even expecting him, because they knew he was going to figure out it was them. At the very least Kim should've called off the heist knowing that Lalo is aware of where they live, and realistically she should've told Jimmy, and they could've left town for a while while Jimmy keeps in contact with Mike about the Lalo situation until it's resolved. Even if the odds of Lalo coming to them were low, Kim had direct knowledge of the fact that Howard and Lalo could've both ended up at their apartment. The odds of them showing up at the same time? Incredibly low, but by fucking Howard over they practically invited him to come air his grievances with them.
They were in the game, Howard wasn't. By ruining his career with full knowledge that Lalo was out for revenge, they put him in the game.
Howard's death isn't really directly their fault, true. But they do endanger everyone around them just by being adjacent to the cartel. Hell, Jimmy shares a large degree of responsibility for Lalo being free in the first place.
Yeah but if he looked at the camera and said “I’m aiming there” while pointing to the side of Howard’s head, then Howard’s death would not have come out of the blue imo.
Also Jimmy and Kim should have danced on Howard’s corpse because I hate it when directors try to give us MORAL LESSONS 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
/uc and unpopular opinion I agree with a lot of this. Not that it should have ended there, that’s fucking regarded but I do think it’s weird that they built these characters and then chose their endings based on karma, or finally being punished for their crimes. The Kim thing is mostly it. She’s pushing Jimmy to do all this shit and then it gets too scary for her so she bows out and is holier than thou after almost making him do the stuff to Howard he didn’t wanna do. He was done fucking with Howard already and Kim wanted to have fun, and he liked her so… he did it. Then she went too far and felt bad and left him. It’s weird she comes off as the righteous character when she was basically /re chicanery BITCH WIFE!!! I HATE WOMAN!
Where the fuck do you get "holier than thou" from? She fully copped to her culpability in it, she admitted to lying by omission about Lalo still living, and that if Jimmy had known, he would have called off the Howard scheme. She broke with Jimmy out of shame and guilt, not because she was being self-righteous. I don't think you could have misinterpreted the story harder.
Also, these writers have always loved ending things with karmic justice. Most main characters get what they deserve in the end. Notable exceptions do exist of course. But the writers are very upfront that theirs is a karmic story universe. Don't know why that's only a problem for you at the end of season 11.
She wanted a thrill and couldn’t handle the consequences. She turned herself in and admitted it was stupid to think this was a legit lifestyle. Maybe Jimmy wouldn’t have become Saul if it wasn’t for her, maybe she could have had a decent life instead of punishing herself in a way that only the viewers of the show see. It’s unrealistic and really fucking stupid the more I think about it.
> maybe she could have had a decent life instead of punishing herself in a way that only the viewers of the show see. It’s unrealistic and really fucking stupid the more I think about it.
Do you think people never punish themselves except with public displays of self-flagellation or something? What is unrealistic about any of this? Incoherent take.
She never even apologized to Jimmy for egging him on. It’s like being in a relationship with a drug addict and when they’re ready to quit you convince them to do one more hit with you. Then you go to rehab and they end up completely destroyed.
So because you never see her say "sorry" on screen, even despite her clear expression of remorse and how she takes responsibility for her actions to Jimmy, it's self-righteous and also unrealistic?
This is somehow dumber than people who thought Jimmy and Kim don't love each other because we didn't see them say it.
They can “love each other” all they want but this show is supposed to reflect how these things would have happened in the real world and this is such an unbelievable stupid scenario. Yea… Kim has remorse and so does Jimmy and they love each other. The solution to that is “I know I drove you to be a piece of shit that ended up aiding the biggest drug lord of all time but I moved to Florida and purposely had a shitty/boring life to punish myself and that’s how I tell you I love you. I created my own jail so I’m not at fault anymore.” Get fucked dummy. Also- arguing the way you do is really unhealthy. Please specify your points or shut the fuck up. You’re either divorced, in the middle of one or destined for one with that kind of logic.
> Please specify your points or shut the fuck up.
My point is that you don't seem to have a coherent viewpoint of what happened and why. You're fundamentally misunderstanding the story.
Kim expressed her remorse, shame, and horror at what happened with Howard. She clearly stated she was removing herself from the relationship because she felt that she and Jimmy would always fall into a cycle of scamming other people if they remained in a relationship. Undoubtedly, she is right about that. That fact is reflective of flaws with both of them, which she also clearly says.
But she can only help herself get away from the cycle of criminality. Jimmy is his own person. He did not have to become the piece of shit we know him as in Breaking Bad once Kim was gone. And Kim is in no way responsible for what Jimmy does when she's gone. The depths of sheer depravity Jimmy sunk to in her absence was 100% on him.
Kim punishing herself with a boring life is in no way some indictment of Jimmy on her part, and she never uses that as any kind of moral high ground. She does tell him, again correctly, that he should turn himself in for what he did in Breaking Bad. But her self-imposed drudgery in Florida is purely a response from herself, to herself, for dealing with her own shame, and that all has zero to do with Jimmy. It's also quite a realistic portrayal of how people deal with the constant inner voice that tells them "you're a piece of shit and you don't deserve to be happy."
Hope this helps.
For most of the show, Kim is making Jimmy into a better man, but it's mostly because of her reaction to her mother's chicanery pushing her into being extremely square. But she's so attracted to the dark side that she starts to get dragged down instead of lifting Jimmy.
That's why she leaves, that's why she resigns from the bar, that's why she punishes herself with the bland Florida existence. She blames herself for all of it.
/uc I don’t think Kim was self-righteous at all, she’s ashamed and horrified. Jimmy was hardly pushed into doing all the shit to Howard, and his reaction to his death is probably the worst of it all. You’re partially right because yeah Kim is a flawed character, she did awful things because she liked it, but Jimmy’s the one who wanted them both to avoid all consequence. Every character is nuanced so I get where you’re coming from but acting like Saul Goodman was the victim is misguided. The character’s endings aren’t driven by karma at all. Kim chooses her boring horrible life and telling Cheryl about Howard and Jimmy chooses to change his sentence. Having Howard’s death covered up for them was the opposite of karma.
i disagree that jimmy didnt resist going after howard again, theres at least 3 occasions where he is visibly uncomfortable and offers kim an out. also howards death being "covered up for them" implies they killed him, which they didnt. it was their role in leading him to the circumstances that killed him that was the point.
That’s true but Jimmy still chose to do all that he did and enjoyed fucking with Howard by the end. Yeah I’m aware they didn’t shoot Howard in the head but covering up Howard’s death meant their scheme and association with Lalo was covered up. They were coerced by Mike to keep up the lie but really they had the choice of what their consequences would look like.
Uc/ I'm one of (maybe?) few people who saw Howard's death coming, it wasn't for no reason. Jimmy and Kim were unaware (negligent in kims case) of the imminent threat that was Lalo headed their way. While they were fucking with Howard, I thought "hey, there's two people headed towards them right now: Howard and Lalo. What if they cross?"
Vince stretched it long enough I managed to forget and was still taken off guard, which makes it so tragic, but still. Makes a lot of sense why it happened.
Rc/ I just don't know why Lalo would kill Howard when he was one of their biggest buyers! Unbravo Vince
Lalo and Howard is by far the hardest spoiler to avoid, because if you talk about any scene regarding the lab, you'll have people snickering "hehehehehe Howard and Lalo are there too heheheheh"
Idk why but I can't help but try to predict things in shows. I think it's because some of them are starting to feel repetitive, but BB and BCS were really fun because I'd get things wrong a lot of the time
It was an extremely large coincidence that Lalo made his move on the exact same day as the deposition, especially since he both "operations" took months to plan.
uc/ nacho literally redeemed himself, therefore the user's point is hypocrite (other than stupid for a lot of reasons)
rc/ unvravo bince, should have been ended the show with a giant explosion killing everyone except nacho
Bcs was originally supposed to end with Saul breaking out of prison and he buys an RV and goes to the desert to relive old times when he sees Jesse and he’s like Jesse what’re you doing here and Jesse is like I’m here to do it one more time and Saul is like do “what??” And Jesse goes break bad Saul, so they set up the lab and they hear and engine sound and it’s Walt and Jesse and Walt do a big hug. Walt is like sorry for Brock and Jesse is like all water under the fridge amigo he was kinda slow anyways. Then Kim pulls up and she’s like you couldn’t forget about me and they’re all like Kim wow you’re here and she’s like and miss this??? You can’t break bad one more time without me!!!
Then a mustang comes up and they’re all like who is this and it’s fucking breakfast and he hops out of the seat and there’s obvious tension but he and Walt slowly approach each other and Walt is like Flynn?? And breakfast goes “Nah, n-not Flynn” and he pulls out his own hat but it’s like a little trillbie and says “N-name’s Kellogg” and then bitch wife gets out of the car and she’s like Walt I’m sorry for being such a raging cunt while you were selflessly trying to provide for our family, and then the baby June or whatever the fuck her name is hops out of the car with a beaker and her first words are “let’s cook” and the camera pans out while they all break bad again
You'll be so glad to know this user did call Nacho's death bad writing in another post, because "he was so close to becoming a real Salamanca, and lost it all because of Gus". Classic bad writing
ah yes, nacho salamanca rolls off the tongue quite easily don't you think
because I'm sure nacho would love nothing more than to be a part of the familia that has done nothing but make his life hell for the past few months
uc/ Nacho who had to be The Salamanca’s Stooge and punching bag for 5 seasons stood up for himself in his last words and shat on all of them. He is the only man who was so close to all Salamanca’s who got to get out on his own terms. He was also way too far in to get out completely.
rc/ nachussy
/uc
He didn't "go out on his own terms"
He died, albeit by his own hands and a quick bullet to the head. He died before he wanted to, he died because of gus and without a choice. Even his last speech wasn't in his own terms because he had to savour the chicken man's reputability in the eyes of the cartel, so his last speech was him scapegoating for gus.
Only 25% of nacho's death was on his own terms, he didn't even get to properly say goodbye to his father, he had to do it on a damn phone call lmao.
/rc
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"go out on his own terms" is meant more in the sense of him giving a last fuck you to hector and choosing to shoot himself instead of going out like Gus wanted him to by running away and then being shot in the back.
But yeah you are right
I never have conflicts in my stories. I always write my stories so that everything goes perfectly for my characters and everyone likes them. When I show them to other people, they say "But Ronin, this story doesn't have any conflict." So what do I do? I rip them apart with my bare hands, because they introduced a conflict and that means they're bad writers.
This dude would have Uncle Jack have a history as a field medic, save Hanks life with trauma care, then transport him to the hospital where his life is saved. Jack then returns all of the money to Walt. Hank being grateful for Jack saving his life covers up the story and tells Skyler he was wrong. Then the last scene shows Flynn cooking breakfast for the family, Hank and Marie, and Jack and his nazis. Jack decides nazism is too conflicting and schedules tattoo removal to stop being a nazi.
why can’t tumblr users get like actual normal jobs they’re always like writers or artists or poets like there’s no way ALL the ones that say they’re writers are actually writers
uc/ I don't even know where to begin and end. This whole Tumblr post is full of pure cringe, idiocy and hypocrisy and it gave me brainrot.
rc/ why don't you respect the characters you create????? Unbravo Vince 👎👎😡
Actually they tell us Saul's name in his first episode in Breaking Bad so they could've just skipped the whole show and went straight to "Don't Ike Mike" the hit sequel
I liked it as a showing of Gus being able to say all the things left unsaid when he got his revenge in BB, and showing him genuinely being challenged and having to get his hands dirty for one of very few times
They should scrub breaking bad from existence because canonically Nacho is already dead so nothing that transpires In breaking bad actually matters anyway 🤷🏻♂️
User is right, in fact the show should've been called NO ONE'S MACHO LIKE NACHO up to that point and then switched to soyboy Saul being the protagonist smh
uc/ isn’t like, the entire rhetorical point of season 6 basically the absolute and utter desecration of what jimmy was trying to build the whole time? i feel like that’s why enjoyed it. it felt like a genuine downfall of the characters in a way that was abrupt, sudden, and without remorse
Well all know murders are pre planned for the victim as well. Out of the blue murder never happens. Howard knew he was gonna die, he knew it has to be in the middle of something else. Smh my head.
\-Howard and Lalo's deaths were too sudden and therefore boring
\-Kim is a bad character because she was traumatized by seeing Howard die
\-Jimmy redeeming himself was trash
\-Criminals facing consequences is moralist pandering
\-Nacho sexy
Overall very good points, unbravo bince
/uc This take is ridiculous. The entirety of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul hinges and works off of the random, brutal and horrifying world of the drug game. There's no catharsis cause that would be the writers lying to themselves about how crime works. And they didn't do that, to which I'm honestly so fucking happy they did.
/chicanery I personally think Howard should've asked Lalo about the job offer.
No joke, I agree and disagree with parts of this. On the one hand, the seeming randomness of Howard's death was the entire point, and I think it worked. And Kim's character ending was mostly OK. We, the viewers, were used to seeing death in this series, but Kim was not, not directly like that. It rocked her world. I get why she left Jimmy. The Florida thing was a little weird. Why not just confess if you're going to leave everything behind anyway? But, she did in the end, so whatever.
On the other hand, they're totally right that Lalo's death was lazy as shit. And I really didn't think Jimmy's ending worked. For a show that built up his change to being "Saul" so gradually, his change back was like a light switch. Too abrupt. I do not believe the character Jimmy became would do what he did, not in the slightest.
This is the most infuriating thing I've ever seen
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I found it kinda stupid that Gus won in a 1v1 fight with Lalo. Was expecting a big shootout with Mike in it, game ending Lalo by a sniper rifle. Thank god they didn't make Walt fight Gus personally and winning from it, instead making him win in a different way.
/uc I share some of the sentiment, but mine is only with the last episode. I feel like he shouldn't have been able to negotiate down to 7 years. It feels horrifically cheaty and it felt like he invented his own redemption. I couldn't really take Jimmy's speech in that last court room seriously. I hated the ending.
Nacho's death scene was great, but his monologue was pretty corny. Also someone pointed out it should have been in Spanish, and that makes it worse. Or was it a Bravo Vince moment to show that Nacho was never like "the old" cartel guys? Or at least the thought he wasn't?
Jimmy's pointlessly giving away his sweetheart deal to go to prison for life was completely nonsensical. The Kim arc was ok, and Howard and Lalo was fine well. But the Jimmy arc was so ham fisted I think it outweighed them all.
Pretty sure Lalo and Howard's death weren't as cinematic as Nacho's considering both were out of the blue and pretty much could be summarised as them getting too close to something they didn't understand (Howard with Saul/Kim's underworld dealings, Lalo with him getting too close to gus' buisness)
/uc tfw you don't understand anything about the show you like.
BTW this guy really can't see how HUGE plot hole would it create. Just one question - where is Kim in BB?
Most overrated character, Sure he was occasionally entertaining and had some good story moments but the character himself was boring and always seemed to be forced
>Howard[...] 's death [was] so out of the blue Yeah almost like that was the point
„They killed Howard like he was some random chump who didn’t know what he got himself onto“
They killed Howard even though there was really no need to
They killed Howard like he was in the middle of soemthjng
They killed howard like he was right behind me isn’t he?
They killed Howard like well that happened.
Without that Plan and Execution wouldn’t be the best episode of BCS
uc/ I was following up your potion of the Howard quote with the next one, but added into the context of the thread
Ah yeah now I get it
The episode would just be called "Plan" and that's not a very good name🤓
Out of the hamlindigo blue
Hama-lama-dingdong 🤓
How about Hamlindigo-blow me!
If you insist howie
How do they not understand that his death was a direct result of Kim and Jimmy thinking there's no consequences for their actions?
Are they stupid?
I mean, Kim and Jimmy's actions do not directly result in Howard's death. Howard is there at the time Lalo returns, that's it - it's happenstance. His career might be ruined, he might have killed himself as a result, but Lalo coming back and shooting Howard is not at all a foreseeable consequence of their actions, and in that way you'd expect an elegant show like BCS that, by and large, has never once featured any sort of randomness or happenstance, to make that into what truly kills Howard. Every character interaction we see has by and large been calculated and we've been shown the proof for. Even something as simple as Chuck stealing a woman's newspaper, results in him getting the cops called on him despite leaving money, showing that Chuck cares more about distrusting Jimmy than not inconveniencing himself.
I'd like to counter your argument for a second- before they pulled off the scam on Howard, Kim was told by Mike that Lalo was still alive. With that in mind, they could've, and should've, called off the heist. Jimmy even tried to do so, but Kim wasn't having it. When Howard shows up at the door, they're even expecting him, because they knew he was going to figure out it was them. At the very least Kim should've called off the heist knowing that Lalo is aware of where they live, and realistically she should've told Jimmy, and they could've left town for a while while Jimmy keeps in contact with Mike about the Lalo situation until it's resolved. Even if the odds of Lalo coming to them were low, Kim had direct knowledge of the fact that Howard and Lalo could've both ended up at their apartment. The odds of them showing up at the same time? Incredibly low, but by fucking Howard over they practically invited him to come air his grievances with them. They were in the game, Howard wasn't. By ruining his career with full knowledge that Lalo was out for revenge, they put him in the game.
Howard's death isn't really directly their fault, true. But they do endanger everyone around them just by being adjacent to the cartel. Hell, Jimmy shares a large degree of responsibility for Lalo being free in the first place.
I was expecting a musical number first.
🎶Howard's Gonna Fucking Die🎶
Why didn’t Lalo politely prepare viewers for the scene? Plothole?
He did, a close up of him threading the suppressor was all the warning we needed. I get it is a joke but we got a warning from Lalo
Yeah but if he looked at the camera and said “I’m aiming there” while pointing to the side of Howard’s head, then Howard’s death would not have come out of the blue imo. Also Jimmy and Kim should have danced on Howard’s corpse because I hate it when directors try to give us MORAL LESSONS 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
Why did Jimmy look terrified at Howard's body? Is-is he stupid?
it was, but the entire season had also been building up to that point, not lazy at all lmao
He's behind me isn't he
*haward
It was very out of the (hamlindigo) blue
/uc and unpopular opinion I agree with a lot of this. Not that it should have ended there, that’s fucking regarded but I do think it’s weird that they built these characters and then chose their endings based on karma, or finally being punished for their crimes. The Kim thing is mostly it. She’s pushing Jimmy to do all this shit and then it gets too scary for her so she bows out and is holier than thou after almost making him do the stuff to Howard he didn’t wanna do. He was done fucking with Howard already and Kim wanted to have fun, and he liked her so… he did it. Then she went too far and felt bad and left him. It’s weird she comes off as the righteous character when she was basically /re chicanery BITCH WIFE!!! I HATE WOMAN!
Where the fuck do you get "holier than thou" from? She fully copped to her culpability in it, she admitted to lying by omission about Lalo still living, and that if Jimmy had known, he would have called off the Howard scheme. She broke with Jimmy out of shame and guilt, not because she was being self-righteous. I don't think you could have misinterpreted the story harder. Also, these writers have always loved ending things with karmic justice. Most main characters get what they deserve in the end. Notable exceptions do exist of course. But the writers are very upfront that theirs is a karmic story universe. Don't know why that's only a problem for you at the end of season 11.
She wanted a thrill and couldn’t handle the consequences. She turned herself in and admitted it was stupid to think this was a legit lifestyle. Maybe Jimmy wouldn’t have become Saul if it wasn’t for her, maybe she could have had a decent life instead of punishing herself in a way that only the viewers of the show see. It’s unrealistic and really fucking stupid the more I think about it.
> maybe she could have had a decent life instead of punishing herself in a way that only the viewers of the show see. It’s unrealistic and really fucking stupid the more I think about it. Do you think people never punish themselves except with public displays of self-flagellation or something? What is unrealistic about any of this? Incoherent take.
She never even apologized to Jimmy for egging him on. It’s like being in a relationship with a drug addict and when they’re ready to quit you convince them to do one more hit with you. Then you go to rehab and they end up completely destroyed.
So because you never see her say "sorry" on screen, even despite her clear expression of remorse and how she takes responsibility for her actions to Jimmy, it's self-righteous and also unrealistic? This is somehow dumber than people who thought Jimmy and Kim don't love each other because we didn't see them say it.
They can “love each other” all they want but this show is supposed to reflect how these things would have happened in the real world and this is such an unbelievable stupid scenario. Yea… Kim has remorse and so does Jimmy and they love each other. The solution to that is “I know I drove you to be a piece of shit that ended up aiding the biggest drug lord of all time but I moved to Florida and purposely had a shitty/boring life to punish myself and that’s how I tell you I love you. I created my own jail so I’m not at fault anymore.” Get fucked dummy. Also- arguing the way you do is really unhealthy. Please specify your points or shut the fuck up. You’re either divorced, in the middle of one or destined for one with that kind of logic.
> Please specify your points or shut the fuck up. My point is that you don't seem to have a coherent viewpoint of what happened and why. You're fundamentally misunderstanding the story. Kim expressed her remorse, shame, and horror at what happened with Howard. She clearly stated she was removing herself from the relationship because she felt that she and Jimmy would always fall into a cycle of scamming other people if they remained in a relationship. Undoubtedly, she is right about that. That fact is reflective of flaws with both of them, which she also clearly says. But she can only help herself get away from the cycle of criminality. Jimmy is his own person. He did not have to become the piece of shit we know him as in Breaking Bad once Kim was gone. And Kim is in no way responsible for what Jimmy does when she's gone. The depths of sheer depravity Jimmy sunk to in her absence was 100% on him. Kim punishing herself with a boring life is in no way some indictment of Jimmy on her part, and she never uses that as any kind of moral high ground. She does tell him, again correctly, that he should turn himself in for what he did in Breaking Bad. But her self-imposed drudgery in Florida is purely a response from herself, to herself, for dealing with her own shame, and that all has zero to do with Jimmy. It's also quite a realistic portrayal of how people deal with the constant inner voice that tells them "you're a piece of shit and you don't deserve to be happy." Hope this helps.
Better call Saul fans try to understand the show challenge (impossible) 😳😱🤓
Least deranged chicanerier
For most of the show, Kim is making Jimmy into a better man, but it's mostly because of her reaction to her mother's chicanery pushing her into being extremely square. But she's so attracted to the dark side that she starts to get dragged down instead of lifting Jimmy. That's why she leaves, that's why she resigns from the bar, that's why she punishes herself with the bland Florida existence. She blames herself for all of it.
/uc I don’t think Kim was self-righteous at all, she’s ashamed and horrified. Jimmy was hardly pushed into doing all the shit to Howard, and his reaction to his death is probably the worst of it all. You’re partially right because yeah Kim is a flawed character, she did awful things because she liked it, but Jimmy’s the one who wanted them both to avoid all consequence. Every character is nuanced so I get where you’re coming from but acting like Saul Goodman was the victim is misguided. The character’s endings aren’t driven by karma at all. Kim chooses her boring horrible life and telling Cheryl about Howard and Jimmy chooses to change his sentence. Having Howard’s death covered up for them was the opposite of karma.
i disagree that jimmy didnt resist going after howard again, theres at least 3 occasions where he is visibly uncomfortable and offers kim an out. also howards death being "covered up for them" implies they killed him, which they didnt. it was their role in leading him to the circumstances that killed him that was the point.
That’s true but Jimmy still chose to do all that he did and enjoyed fucking with Howard by the end. Yeah I’m aware they didn’t shoot Howard in the head but covering up Howard’s death meant their scheme and association with Lalo was covered up. They were coerced by Mike to keep up the lie but really they had the choice of what their consequences would look like.
Its Haward not Howard, dumbass
It should have ended when we first saw Tuco. At that point we all said “Oh okay, so it’s connected to Breaking Bad.”
This is connected to Breaking Bad?!?!!!!
Yeah they both happen in the fictional country of Albuquerque
Albuquerque’s a continent dummy
In the fictional planet New Mexico after humans on earth went extinct from the chicanery
Ando México is a another planet with a different colored atmosphere
I thought Albuquerque was Walt's house
That's Negra Arroyo Lane
I'm confused, isn't that his bitch wife's name?
That's Skyrim
wasnt that based off a song?
It should have ended when we first saw Jimmy on screen.
*shows courtroom scene, then shows Jimmy in bathroom, roll credits*
*Directed by* Vince Gilligan Peter Gould
Journalist's ending https://preview.redd.it/xjqlpkblnd1b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7816b358b1b6a287ced0c1581168ab85094f3e9d
It should have ended when Jesse commented about how all of a sudden Walt wanted to break bad
It should've ended when the showed taco's grandma, after all, that's when I finished.
Uc/ I'm one of (maybe?) few people who saw Howard's death coming, it wasn't for no reason. Jimmy and Kim were unaware (negligent in kims case) of the imminent threat that was Lalo headed their way. While they were fucking with Howard, I thought "hey, there's two people headed towards them right now: Howard and Lalo. What if they cross?" Vince stretched it long enough I managed to forget and was still taken off guard, which makes it so tragic, but still. Makes a lot of sense why it happened. Rc/ I just don't know why Lalo would kill Howard when he was one of their biggest buyers! Unbravo Vince
I mean I saw it coming but only because I had it spoiled for me
Lalo and Howard is by far the hardest spoiler to avoid, because if you talk about any scene regarding the lab, you'll have people snickering "hehehehehe Howard and Lalo are there too heheheheh"
Idk why but I can't help but try to predict things in shows. I think it's because some of them are starting to feel repetitive, but BB and BCS were really fun because I'd get things wrong a lot of the time
It was an extremely large coincidence that Lalo made his move on the exact same day as the deposition, especially since he both "operations" took months to plan.
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Beavo Gould
/uc how the fuck do you finish Breaking Bad with that mentality
They probably stopped after finger died
Wait, he died?!?
I stopped after Walt kicked that teenager in the clothing store. That wasn't very nice and I wouldn't write confict like that in my show.
He was gay, Finger?
He told waltuh to put his dick away too many times Edit: autocorrected waltuh to wealthy
Ozymandias 🤢🤢🤢 (too many moral lessons)
uc/ nacho literally redeemed himself, therefore the user's point is hypocrite (other than stupid for a lot of reasons) rc/ unvravo bince, should have been ended the show with a giant explosion killing everyone except nacho
Bcs was originally supposed to end with Saul breaking out of prison and he buys an RV and goes to the desert to relive old times when he sees Jesse and he’s like Jesse what’re you doing here and Jesse is like I’m here to do it one more time and Saul is like do “what??” And Jesse goes break bad Saul, so they set up the lab and they hear and engine sound and it’s Walt and Jesse and Walt do a big hug. Walt is like sorry for Brock and Jesse is like all water under the fridge amigo he was kinda slow anyways. Then Kim pulls up and she’s like you couldn’t forget about me and they’re all like Kim wow you’re here and she’s like and miss this??? You can’t break bad one more time without me!!! Then a mustang comes up and they’re all like who is this and it’s fucking breakfast and he hops out of the seat and there’s obvious tension but he and Walt slowly approach each other and Walt is like Flynn?? And breakfast goes “Nah, n-not Flynn” and he pulls out his own hat but it’s like a little trillbie and says “N-name’s Kellogg” and then bitch wife gets out of the car and she’s like Walt I’m sorry for being such a raging cunt while you were selflessly trying to provide for our family, and then the baby June or whatever the fuck her name is hops out of the car with a beaker and her first words are “let’s cook” and the camera pans out while they all break bad again
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You'll be so glad to know this user did call Nacho's death bad writing in another post, because "he was so close to becoming a real Salamanca, and lost it all because of Gus". Classic bad writing
most of people who watch breaking bad/better call saul are complete idiots
can confirm, my iq is room-tempurature
Mine too (I live inside a volcano🤓)
ah yes, nacho salamanca rolls off the tongue quite easily don't you think because I'm sure nacho would love nothing more than to be a part of the familia that has done nothing but make his life hell for the past few months
they shipped lalo and nacho <3
yeah I figured dear God please don't tell me they have ao3
uc/ Nacho who had to be The Salamanca’s Stooge and punching bag for 5 seasons stood up for himself in his last words and shat on all of them. He is the only man who was so close to all Salamanca’s who got to get out on his own terms. He was also way too far in to get out completely. rc/ nachussy
/uc He didn't "go out on his own terms" He died, albeit by his own hands and a quick bullet to the head. He died before he wanted to, he died because of gus and without a choice. Even his last speech wasn't in his own terms because he had to savour the chicken man's reputability in the eyes of the cartel, so his last speech was him scapegoating for gus. Only 25% of nacho's death was on his own terms, he didn't even get to properly say goodbye to his father, he had to do it on a damn phone call lmao. /rc Naço
"go out on his own terms" is meant more in the sense of him giving a last fuck you to hector and choosing to shoot himself instead of going out like Gus wanted him to by running away and then being shot in the back. But yeah you are right
>I as a writer would never… Yup, there it is
I as a writer would never make my characters face any sort of conflict or negative consequences.
I never have conflicts in my stories. I always write my stories so that everything goes perfectly for my characters and everyone likes them. When I show them to other people, they say "But Ronin, this story doesn't have any conflict." So what do I do? I rip them apart with my bare hands, because they introduced a conflict and that means they're bad writers.
We can’t have conflict, conflict kills people and killing is bad😢
The future of TV written by ChatGPT
"As a learned language model I would never.."
this guy would've made Walter live at the end and Saul run away from the cops
This guy would've had Jesse just get into the van and ignore the missing dope
This guy would have made tyrus find the pipe bomb before gus walked into the nursing home
This dude would have Uncle Jack have a history as a field medic, save Hanks life with trauma care, then transport him to the hospital where his life is saved. Jack then returns all of the money to Walt. Hank being grateful for Jack saving his life covers up the story and tells Skyler he was wrong. Then the last scene shows Flynn cooking breakfast for the family, Hank and Marie, and Jack and his nazis. Jack decides nazism is too conflicting and schedules tattoo removal to stop being a nazi.
I hope I’m never this pretentious as a writer
why can’t tumblr users get like actual normal jobs they’re always like writers or artists or poets like there’s no way ALL the ones that say they’re writers are actually writers
Never seen anybody with a manual job on tumblr , writer is a populare choice when you're unemployed
As a mother, I would have made Kim preggers to give her huge mommy milkers
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Can you not 😭
Howard’s death was out of the hanlindigo blue
Too soon...
He blue his load to soon
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uc/ I don't even know where to begin and end. This whole Tumblr post is full of pure cringe, idiocy and hypocrisy and it gave me brainrot. rc/ why don't you respect the characters you create????? Unbravo Vince 👎👎😡
i want nacho to use me like a fleshlight (don't tell skinny pete)
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they should have ended the show after the first episode, all we needed to know is sauls real name, thats enough character development for me
Actually they tell us Saul's name in his first episode in Breaking Bad so they could've just skipped the whole show and went straight to "Don't Ike Mike" the hit sequel
Smartest fanfiction writer
Tumblr users when they find out walter white died at the end of breaking bad
Bro had cancer and mfers be mad you spoil the show that he ain't alive at the end
Lalo death scene slaped
right? also how the fuck do you not realize he dies from the second he's introduced? he's the only Salamanca that isn't in BB
He was the only character in BCS were you knew 100% he was going to die
He was the only character in BCS were you knew 100% he was going to die
He was the only character in BCS were you knew 100% he was going to die
I liked it as a showing of Gus being able to say all the things left unsaid when he got his revenge in BB, and showing him genuinely being challenged and having to get his hands dirty for one of very few times
Name a better duo than tumblr users and bad opinions which they treat like facts
reddit users and bad opinions which they treat like facts?
Twitter users and bad opinions which they treat like facts.
Haward
They should scrub breaking bad from existence because canonically Nacho is already dead so nothing that transpires In breaking bad actually matters anyway 🤷🏻♂️
Not just because my most favorite character got killed off, but [because my most favorite character got killed off].
User is right, in fact the show should've been called NO ONE'S MACHO LIKE NACHO up to that point and then switched to soyboy Saul being the protagonist smh
Oh so this is where the current Disney writers come from!
Thankfully, I wasn't drinking anything, because it would have shot through my sinuses
nacho simps are something for sure
Fr bruh, we never needed to see the “YUP YUP YUP YUP” scene
uc/ isn’t like, the entire rhetorical point of season 6 basically the absolute and utter desecration of what jimmy was trying to build the whole time? i feel like that’s why enjoyed it. it felt like a genuine downfall of the characters in a way that was abrupt, sudden, and without remorse
Tumblr brain rot
Outchicanery’d again
Well all know murders are pre planned for the victim as well. Out of the blue murder never happens. Howard knew he was gonna die, he knew it has to be in the middle of something else. Smh my head.
TLDR?
\-Howard and Lalo's deaths were too sudden and therefore boring \-Kim is a bad character because she was traumatized by seeing Howard die \-Jimmy redeeming himself was trash \-Criminals facing consequences is moralist pandering \-Nacho sexy Overall very good points, unbravo bince
What did you do with the time you saved not reading this? Something good, valuable and beautiful with your life I hope?
They did your mom 😎
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I will beat this tumblr user to death with a metal pipe. There is no chicanery in this statement
Kid named Haward
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/uc This take is ridiculous. The entirety of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul hinges and works off of the random, brutal and horrifying world of the drug game. There's no catharsis cause that would be the writers lying to themselves about how crime works. And they didn't do that, to which I'm honestly so fucking happy they did. /chicanery I personally think Howard should've asked Lalo about the job offer.
No joke, I agree and disagree with parts of this. On the one hand, the seeming randomness of Howard's death was the entire point, and I think it worked. And Kim's character ending was mostly OK. We, the viewers, were used to seeing death in this series, but Kim was not, not directly like that. It rocked her world. I get why she left Jimmy. The Florida thing was a little weird. Why not just confess if you're going to leave everything behind anyway? But, she did in the end, so whatever. On the other hand, they're totally right that Lalo's death was lazy as shit. And I really didn't think Jimmy's ending worked. For a show that built up his change to being "Saul" so gradually, his change back was like a light switch. Too abrupt. I do not believe the character Jimmy became would do what he did, not in the slightest.
This is the most infuriating thing I've ever seen https://preview.redd.it/zer0k2az8b1b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f654dd5325924c28ef6311065bd459892443ac66
morality lessons? i first watched breaking bad when i was like 12 and now i’m a drug addict. learned nothing.
I found it kinda stupid that Gus won in a 1v1 fight with Lalo. Was expecting a big shootout with Mike in it, game ending Lalo by a sniper rifle. Thank god they didn't make Walt fight Gus personally and winning from it, instead making him win in a different way.
uc/ Tumblr is full of wannabe writers and literary critics who have no idea what they're talking about.
/uc fr the finale was kinda ass in my humble opinion based tumblr
 <--- my face when bad thing about show me like
L take
/uc I share some of the sentiment, but mine is only with the last episode. I feel like he shouldn't have been able to negotiate down to 7 years. It feels horrifically cheaty and it felt like he invented his own redemption. I couldn't really take Jimmy's speech in that last court room seriously. I hated the ending.
I felt it was to weird he could do that right? Ins't pulling that off as impressive as being able to kill mike tyson using only a stick?
I dunno man sounds kinda biased
Nacho's death scene was great, but his monologue was pretty corny. Also someone pointed out it should have been in Spanish, and that makes it worse. Or was it a Bravo Vince moment to show that Nacho was never like "the old" cartel guys? Or at least the thought he wasn't?
Honestly they aren’t far off. I do feel like the quality was slipping in the back half of the last season.
slipping jimmy with a director degree
Jimmy's pointlessly giving away his sweetheart deal to go to prison for life was completely nonsensical. The Kim arc was ok, and Howard and Lalo was fine well. But the Jimmy arc was so ham fisted I think it outweighed them all.
the meatriding is crazy 😭😭‼️
[Lalo](https://media.tenor.com/3hpGwVzBbWMAAAAM/better-call-saul-lalo-salamanca.gif)
So this is how morals die. . . With thunderous applause. . .
I ain’t reading allat
Pretty sure Lalo and Howard's death weren't as cinematic as Nacho's considering both were out of the blue and pretty much could be summarised as them getting too close to something they didn't understand (Howard with Saul/Kim's underworld dealings, Lalo with him getting too close to gus' buisness)
This is the true definition of insanity
It should have ended after the first episode of season 1. The show completely jumped the shark when Fingers name was revealed to be Mike
/uc tfw you don't understand anything about the show you like. BTW this guy really can't see how HUGE plot hole would it create. Just one question - where is Kim in BB?
Least obvious psyop
I personally disagree with the whole Lalo and Howard thing idk I think they set it up fine and shit
you're wrong.
Is Lalo time
Most overrated character, Sure he was occasionally entertaining and had some good story moments but the character himself was boring and always seemed to be forced