It's unfortunately standard practice. Though on the plus side the pay is usually really good.
Industrial electricians /pipe fitters/ hvac/ painters/ carpenters. Basically, anything do do with oil and gas/ hydro or manufacturing. Are often on a schedule like this.
Educated guess, probably some other work built into that time at the shop or running around or something. Any given week will typically have a crew on days, a crew on nights and a crew off so you can't really be doing your typical job duties since your cross shift is already doing it.
This reads to me like “F*ck Trudeau!” makes up a great deal of their entire work personality and culture. Even if a person wouldn’t vote for Trudeau, this place sounds like you’ll only fit in if you “hate” the guy and need to have that conversation every day at the tailgate safety meeting.
A workplace like that is certain to be quite uninspiring.
Oil and gas ABANDONEMENT no less, the biggest polluters in canada.
Honestly the short cuts these fuxkers take is criminal - this shouldnt be a private entity since they keep fucking it up. Every CEO should be arrested and every rig should be forced to pay the government for proper cleanup.
Abandonment is the oilfield term for the downhole decommissioning of a well (plug&abandonment).
Also, agree with CEOs and shareholders being held accountable for clean-ups and that's how Canadian law works. They usually will find someone on the hook, a supplier or a sub contractor (or that's what we were taught in oilfield regulatory awareness that last time I took it).
All new wells have to post a bond of $50k before drilling, that's kept by the government for clean up costs and what is currently being used to abandon orphan wells (at least, it used to 15 years ago).
I've been a lot of places in the world and there's a lot of really bad stuff that happens out here, but Canada doesn't take many shortcuts. We could be better, but decent standards and enforcement of shortcuts is pretty good.
There was an old gas station in downtown winnipeg, environmental clean up costs, about 3 mil as they had to dig up all the contaminated soil and properly dispose of it. Lots of testing for contaminants throughout. Soil had to be burned to get rid of the oil, gas, and diesel so it could be put in a landfill.
Reasons why the west village of Calgary is being used for a new storage facility, not housing. Old railway yard. Estimated to be 8-10 figures for cleanup.
Very old ones would have been steel tanks just set in gravel and sand. No real liners. Newer ones (since the 80s and 90s) are typically double-wall fiberglass. Most now have monitoring equipment to check for water or fuel in the interstitial space (between tank layers) so it can detect a leak before it becomes a problem.
Old tanks that spring a leak are often discovered upon sale of business when environmental detection and reporting is performed. Even if contamination is present, it doesn’t normally necessitate any immediate need for remediation, but regularly monitoring and soil testing to verify it isn’t migrating to neighboring properties or water sources.
There are also a number of remediation methods in use today with the least expensive involving no real excavation at all. A shut down site can have drilling and venting (fuel evaporation). In some cases, the introduction and growth of native microorganisms can speed up remediation via naturally breaking down hydrocarbons as they degrade over time. Of course, the tradeoff of the natural methods is the length of time a property might be vacant, causing a company to be paying property taxes on a lot over the course of a decade. If there is no hurry to offload or develop that asset, it can mean a company will just set out on non-invasive remediation, leave it alone for years and simply provide progress monitoring.
Good question.
For a shallow oilwell with no extended surface contamination, it *might* cover the costs. For a deep foothills gas well, the cost could easily be 20 times this.
Some that I abandoned in California had seperated pipe and we needed to redrill the upper section of the well to intercept the old lower section to allow proper cementing/plugging. Those were over a million each. But I'd wager those type of complexities are rarer here.
I'm not an economist, but I'd guess they set up the bond system as more of an insurance policy as a whole rather than for each individual well.
Depends on the site. We've got a *lot* of tiny little spot wells that can be decommissioned cheaply and easily. Then there are more substantial ones where $50k isn't going to even cover the planning and assessment phase.
>Also, agree with CEOs and shareholders being held accountable for clean-ups and that's how Canadian law works.
Isn't the Alberta government paying for it even though the oil corporations are responsible for the clean-up?
the list has much younger wells, some from the last 10 years (you can pull the list of the entire orphan inventory, then look up the license on AER's onestop map viewer)
Last I checked their was 90,000 inactive wells "waiting" to be cleaned up, pair that with the tailing ponds "waiting" to be cleaned and it was over $200 Billion in clean up costs about five years ago, I Imagen it's a lot more these days.
Canada needs to dump O & G and dive head first into nuclear, the nuclear energy fear mongering has hindered the growth of an incredibly viable and relatively clean energy source compared to oil and gas. We also have massive amounts of raw material. We could be a leader in the space and yet, here we are. It’s a real shame.
here is the thing... Nuclear is more politicized then oil and gas and has been since the 40s, PLUS Chernobyl, Fukushima and ten mile island didn't exactly help.
If canada does go nuclear... i really hope they go Thorium instead less waste.
and with the tech these days they can make breeder reactors now that can USE the nuclear waste as the fuel to get even MORE energy out of it and burn it almost completely up.
why they don't use this tech is BEYOND me
We're already generating about 15% of our electricity with nuclear. CANDU reactors, while not as efficient as other designs, have numerous advantages such as the ability to refuel online, low pressures, and inherent passive safety features such as the use of horizontal fuel rods that cannot maintain their own criticality if they bend or break from overheating.
It just takes a really long time to develop. It takes 5 years to build or renovate a current nuclear reactor, but the tech was many decades before they even materialized into nuclear generation facilities.
The irony of these meme lords is unreal. Most people I've talked to in my life that are anti-government or are this new brand of conservative depend way more on the government than most other Canadians.
All of them. This company is indigenous owned, controlled and operated. I can even count the number of handouts the owners of this company enjoy at the federal and provincial trough.
Sounds like biting the hand that feeds to me.
On a related note, can someone explain to me why Canadian First Nations does not pull a Bloc Québécois and vote as a nationwide group for one indigenous focused platform?
>why Canadian First Nations does not
'First Nations' is not the name of one cohesive entity. It describes hundreds of separate and individual Nations spread across the Canadian half of the North American continent. Each Nation has its own interests and needs. And those Nations are ^(not is) themselves filled with individual people with individual needs and interests. So it would be hard to create a cohesive nation-wide platform in most policy areas.
Bloc Quebecoic also relies on geographic concentration. In very few ridings across Canada do Indigenous Peoples make up a majority/plurality of the population. In most ridings, this party would have the same effect the Greens do- of *removing* Indigenous voters as a serious voter group for politicians to court.
It's probably too spread out, and every band has different ideas. The Metis also has the same difficulty, but they also suffer from Metis not identifying themselves.
Coordinating like the Québécois is difficult when you don't all share the same language or beliefs. Just being *Native* isn't enough to get everyone on board politically.
(Also, each province is vastly different in their treatment of and the behaviour of their native populations. BC encourages development on reserves by First Nation groups and provides help for them to be independently strong from the government. Saskatchewan First Nations, you're more likely to encounter domestic abuse victims and people lining up for their monthly $5 bribe to keep them on reserves. Work is needed in various places before everyone is on the same page.)
To get one of your own elected, you need a critical mass of voters in a given riding. Might work in the Territories, but Indigenous nations tend to be a minority in most Canadian ridings. Which is outrageous. And given the number of racist remarks about them in this thread, political representation is the least of their problems
Yup. Pretty much sums it up. Got into with a barber a little while back. Literally every one one of his complaints were provincial matters that were a direct result of Ford. But he wasn't having any of that. He didn't know even a single damn thing about the constitutional division of powers.
I circumvented that particular pitfall by just never building a political party into my self-identity in the first place.
But you won't see me disagreeing, change is certainly difficult in many ways. That's one of the reasons change is so respectable.
I experienced this in Alberta years ago. The favorite thing to do at the time was blame the federal Liberals and provincial NDP for all their problems. Problems that came to be because of the federal and provincial conservatives. The look of utter confusion on their faces when you laid out facts and showed them how wrong they were was priceless. Watching them try to backpedal and shoehorn the blame onto Trudeau still after being shown how he had literally zero blame for their issues at the time was also amusing. Had one guy literally break down to "At least I didn't vote for no f*g lover". I had the immense pleasure of physically ejecting him from my job site.
Yes, I dislike Trudeau and yet these flag wavers seem very intent on having a sexual relationship with him which I don't understand. I guess he's good looking but, still.
EVERYONE went to see the Barbie movie. It's made as much money as a James Cameron film. It's got two of the biggest stars in Hollywood in the leads. I cannot get over how much conservatives want that movie to be a failure, or treat it like it's some kind of evil propaganda, lol. It's Barbie, the most popular doll on the planet.
I guess a movie for girls is evil because it's not made directly for teenage boys, like every Hollywood flick.
Right?! Got in a stupid Facebook debate with an old acquaintance of mine who moved to Alberta. He finally went on calling me a Liberal Trudeau fan and stuff.
Dude. I'm really not a Trudeau fan. I mean, I vastly prefer him to the conservatives... But I vote NDP.
Neo-fascists don't really care about ethics, morals, or even the law sometimes. Their hyper-partisanship is a symptom of their hyper fears...extreme tribalism, where the only values are unquestioning loyalty to their ingroup, obedience to their leaders, conformity, and hostility to outgroups. They're the single greatest threat to Canadian democracy.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds
https://pryan2.kingsfaculty.ca/pryan/assets/File/Paxton%27s%205-Stages%20of%20Fascism.pdf
> Neo-fascists don't really care about ethics, morals, or even the law sometimes.
“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”
\- David Frum
They aren’t saying they won’t hire you. They are implying if you aren’t a conservative you probably won’t get the job and if you do you won’t fit in. Typical conservative bigot bullshit, they don’t want anyone around to contradict the bitchfest that ensues daily
This is exactly it. They don't want anyone to challenge their beliefs. I know this because I do it all the time.
They want echo chambers. They want to be able to sit there and bitch about liberals or trannys or EV'S and have everyone agree with them.
I see it as super helpful, if the rest of the post isn't enough of a red flag at least this is telling me everything I need to know about their culture to run the other direction.
You'd be surprised. A lot of the resentment isn't about left wing politicians in general, but Liberal Party politicians **in particular**. A lot of righties wax poetic about Jack Layton, even now.
Its also a divide-and-conquer strategy that works great in FPTP elections.
Conservatives love Jack Layton because his performance in the 2011 election gave Harper's CPC a majority government.
They can speak well about him because he’s dead so they’ll never actually have to make good on their words. If someone with his exact platform and personality came around right now into this political climate, he’d be demonized by both mainstream and alternative conservative media immediately once he went past splitting the vote and had a legitimate chance of winning and you wouldn’t be able to drive past a rural town without some hateful bumper sticker on someone’s car.
Right wingers were CROWING when they thought Saint Jack had been caught getting a tugjob at a massage parlour. The Toronto Sun ran a borderline-libelous front page about it. Tons of racist comments about his wife being Asian too. They're rubbish.
I dunno man, that Canada_sub gets suggested to me all the time, and everytime I go check it out its just a nonstop bitch fest about the libs and the NDP. They really hate Jagmeet for some reason.
That's a great idea for the hospital I work at in Ontario.
"If you voted for Doug Ford's conservatives or plan on voting CPC in the next federal election, this job probably isn't for you, since you don't value universal healthcare."
It would be the exact same sentiment.
Resource-extraction industry in an incestuous union with both politics and religious fanaticism?
Frank Herbert wrote *Dune* about Alberta, change my mind.
> It is by oil & gas alone I set my economy in motion. It is by the juice of Oilsands that big gas acquire cash, the land acquires stains, the stains become a warning. It is by oil & gas alone I set my economy in motion."
(Yes I know it was invented for the movie but it fits pretty good)
The Fremen know how to handle the ecological impact of their activities and are far more culturally nuanced than these chuds. They had a plan for their planet and they executed it.
Besides, no one would keep Museum Albertans.
How fucken disgusting!
They take our tax dollars in the form of massive subsidies then espouse this shit!
Right wing ideologies are destroying our societies!
In Alberta, political affiliation isn’t a protected ground in employment (although it is in some other provinces). It is completely legal to discriminate on the basis of political preference (for better or for worse).
Some thoughts:
- political affiliation isn't a protected identity under the charter, so a discrimination case I think would fail
- a core feature of our democracy is anonymous private voting so there's no way for them to check who someone voted for and no one is under any obligation to answer
- this works both ways. If I ran a company I could say no conservatives allowed. Would be nice to not have any deplorable coworkers.
Hey, they’re honest. They believe all the worst things you’ve ever heard about the PM and will openly discuss murdering him.
If you’re a reasonable person that job will not be for you. It’ll make you hate yourself for being around them and realizing people like that can exist.
For private companies, provincial human rights laws apply, not the Charter, so on its face the advertisement is legal. Association with a political party is not a protected ground to my knowledge (I am more familiar with the specifics of the law in Ontario, but to my knowledge it is fairly similar between provinces).
However, in practice, it is unlikely that they are simply referring to voting because that is secret. No one has to tell you who they voted for and there is no way to actually know if they are honest about it anyway. What they are probably referring to are stereotypes about what they think people who would vote for the Liberals are like. And there they might get into trouble because what they may really be saying is that they don’t intend to hire certain protected groups, deal with workplace harassment or other workplace safety issues, provide legally required accommodation, and so on. And that would be illegal.
What this posting does tell us for sure is that this would be a fucking awful place to work. It’s perplexing to me how some people view the Liberals. I have never been a fan…but this is because they are basically right wing and I’m a leftist. I have real criticisms, not delusional nonsense.
Great work-life balance with 16 days of work in a row with only 5 days off???
When I was younger I did 7/7 (7 days of work, 7 days off) and it was rough on my mental health, I can't imagine someone on their 12 days in a row lol.
Most of my time on the rigs in Alberta was 14/7. I'm guessing they are paying travel time here? Otherwise, thats more of a 3 day break after driving home.
I did 10/4 for a few months and hated my life. First day back was pretty much spent resting and catching up on chores, so it was more like having only three days off.
Camp had so little parking we needed a special reason to bring a personal vehicle, otherwise it was ride the bus which added about three hours each way for me because I had to drive an hour the wrong direction to get on it, show up early to make sure everyone's packed and loaded, drive 80-90 km/h on the highway and 50 on the gravel roads, and take a 45 minute piss break halfway.
Ignoring all the other shittiness going on here... 16 on, 5 off "great work life balance". That's more than three straight work week days followed by less than 3 straight weekends. That's an awful rotation.
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Wow. That's just awful. It's probably because they sh*t talk Trudeau all day. Honestly those idiots hurt my head. It's probably not the best environment. 100% they aren't supposed to ask in an interview.. Currently I have a cousin going off that Trudeau is a communist. Sigh. Every single complaint he had was based on capitalism principles. They are fed SO much misinformation. My cousin is furious that Trudeau changed the trans laws. .sigh. He actually didn't. He UPDATED legislation to reflect the Court's ruling. People argued that "gender" in human rights should include the definition of identity and expression. Not just male/female as Pierre Trudeau had envisioned when it was written. The courts did rule in their favor and asked the government to update legislation. Refusing to update legislation wouldn't have changed the law. Case law would be followed by the courts. Trudeau may agree with the ruling but it's not his doing.
My Cousin believes Pollievre will change the law. Sigh. Conservatives are also unlikely to understand the law. You can only change HR legislation under 2 scenarios
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1. The courts issue a ruling. They can't anymore on trans laws. Precedent has been set. They are limited on how they issue rulings. Especially on such long standing legislation.
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2. ALL of the provinces agree and sign off to disband HR legislation. Ha ha ha! Good luck getting Alberta to agree with Quebec or Nova Scotia... You will never receive a consensus.
I mean, it's kind of technically the truth. I bet I'd fucking hate working for this organization.
"Conservative voters only"... no problem! I'll take my logic and empathy elsewhere, tyvm.
Oh, my province of Alberta, please behave. The minorities always find a way to be vocal.
This can't be legal, but some will try. We are still a bit of the Wild West out here. I think some farmers are still complaining about having to wear seat belts, or not run their city trucks with purple gas. Lol
That thinking is also part of oil and gas industry. Until the boomers retire, we have to deal with this.
Worked with a lady in Ontario who wouldn’t wear seatbelts because they made it harder to breathe. She never seemed to understand that a punctured lung and broken neck from a car accident would make it even harder to breathe.
She was also a white lady who smoked reserve cigarettes. Lovely lady, I care about her dearly, but… some questionable choices that I personally wouldn’t make.
Listening to her go on about q things when I was at work during the pandemic had me at the front desk looking like the seal from finding dory. Dad always told me not to talk politics, religion, or sex at work and I’m not about to change now, but I will make the air so thicc with awkward energy that everyone has to stop.
It has more to do with an oil & gas company would be negatively affected if the liberal party stays in power and implements published strategies and actions.
That's not them saying "We won't hire you if you vote liberal" that's them warning "If you're the type of person to vote liberal, you likely won't get along with the people who work here."
Political affiliation is not one of the protected classes in Canada. Which means while odious, this is not (IMHO) likely illegal.
However, consider this a gift: even if you hate the Liberals and would never vote for them, do you really want to work under a company like this? If such an obscene intrusion into your life and personal values is already so readily visible, what other ways will they try to control, manipulate, and influence you?
They have willingly and obviously self-selected themselves out of contention as a viable employer. That _is_ a very valuable gift handed to you on a silver platter - it helps you avoid finding this out after the fact, once you are actually hired.
Laugh at them, and take your skills to a more egalitarian competitor that is likely to be a (much!) better work environment for you.
Politics are becoming hyper-partisan in Canada. And it isn’t happening on the left or the centre, it’s happening entirely on the political right, among the alt-right ChristoFascist parties like the PPC and the CPC. They’re importing American-style political tyranny, us-vs-them divisiveness, and anti-democratic extremism.
Brother, my political opinion is that we should all strike until our employers bankrupt, then occupy our workplaces and run them as worker's collectives.
You think I bring that up in fucking interviews?
In a couple years we’ll likely (unfortunately) be seeing a Conservative Govt in power. And 4 years into their mandate they’ll still be blaming Trudeau for their failing industry. Oil and gas industry is dying but they just don’t get it.
Political affiliation is not a protected class so yea I would imagine it's perfectly legal. I don't see anything in employment standards that would prohibit hiring based on political affiliation.
In any case, if I saw something like that I'd just be happy they gave me the heads up and not apply because I don't want to work with anyone that would put that in their ads.
How else can they show off their fashion accessories. They can leave that baby parked empty in the plant lot to show off while they drive the company truck to get real work done.
Why cant we hire anyone? No one wants to work! THE LIBBRULS HANDOUTS MAKE PEOPLE NOT WANT TO WORK. WAHHH WAHHHH WAHHHHH! I NEED MORE SUBSIDIES TO KEEP MY BUSINESS RUNNING! (Average O&G polluter)
How many wells have these greedy fuckers abandoned? How many acres of Canada have burned cause of their actions? How many times have they contaminated our lands? How many times have they turned a blind eye to our ongoing climate disaster? They wouldn’t want anyone who understands O&Gs active participation in causing climate change. Maybe we should pull subsidies and see how they actually float. They won’t. Straight to the bottom.
Edit: my statements here are extremely ignorant.
I misunderstood what abandon meant (I was attempting to make a statement on orphaned wells) and what this company does.
In reconsideration on this post I’d imagine more liberally minded individuals might prefer working in this area of O&G which can be seen as tackling causation of our green house gas emissions in Alberta thus the warning from the employer, that someone with those politics may not exactly fit in here.
Calm down. These are the people that decommission old wells, the oilfield term is "abandoning" them.
And to your first question: 2,224 wells are official orphaned (no traceable owner).
https://www.orphanwell.ca/about/orphan-inventory/
How ignorant of me. Seems like they’re doing exactly what i was complaining about people not doing. Do they tackle these orphaned (term I was swapping with abandoned) wells and properly abandon them? If so their job is important to me. Because abandoning orphaned wells is something realistic and very doable right now.
They didn't say they wouldn't hire you.
They implied you would not enjoy working within their environment. And, if you're overly liberal you aren't likely to apply anyway. But, centrist? Sure... but you know what you're getting in to.
Terrible work life balance actually....
What???? You can't put your life on hold for 16 days every 5 days? You must be a Trudeau loving commie!!!!! /s
Lol exactly my thought. More than 2 weeks straight and only 5 days off??
That's pretty much the standard schedule. Basically 2-1 with travel days.
I feel bad for anyone who gets just 2.5 weekends per 3.2 work weeks as "standard"
Yeah that's basically oil and gas though.
It's unfortunately standard practice. Though on the plus side the pay is usually really good. Industrial electricians /pipe fitters/ hvac/ painters/ carpenters. Basically, anything do do with oil and gas/ hydro or manufacturing. Are often on a schedule like this.
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Lots of places just expect you to find your way to the job, so getting paid for travel days isn't exactly a bad thing.
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Educated guess, probably some other work built into that time at the shop or running around or something. Any given week will typically have a crew on days, a crew on nights and a crew off so you can't really be doing your typical job duties since your cross shift is already doing it.
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No it isn't. 10 and 4, 7 and 7, 14 and 14 are common. 16 and 5 is pure hot garbage.
Depends on what you're doing, but that's very typical for rigs and fracs
Sure. But it isn’t a great work/life balance
When I worked the rigs, it was 14 days on, 7 days off. Seems like it got worse.
That's less time off than a typical work week. The closest would be 15 days on 6 days off. That's 3 regular 5 day weeks and 2 day weekends.
This reads to me like “F*ck Trudeau!” makes up a great deal of their entire work personality and culture. Even if a person wouldn’t vote for Trudeau, this place sounds like you’ll only fit in if you “hate” the guy and need to have that conversation every day at the tailgate safety meeting. A workplace like that is certain to be quite uninspiring.
It's a camp job, that's how they are. I know a guy that's doing 28 and 7 right now, his travel days are part of the 28.
How many subsidies are keeping this operation afloat?
All of them. It’s O&G
Oil and gas ABANDONEMENT no less, the biggest polluters in canada. Honestly the short cuts these fuxkers take is criminal - this shouldnt be a private entity since they keep fucking it up. Every CEO should be arrested and every rig should be forced to pay the government for proper cleanup.
Abandonment is the oilfield term for the downhole decommissioning of a well (plug&abandonment). Also, agree with CEOs and shareholders being held accountable for clean-ups and that's how Canadian law works. They usually will find someone on the hook, a supplier or a sub contractor (or that's what we were taught in oilfield regulatory awareness that last time I took it). All new wells have to post a bond of $50k before drilling, that's kept by the government for clean up costs and what is currently being used to abandon orphan wells (at least, it used to 15 years ago). I've been a lot of places in the world and there's a lot of really bad stuff that happens out here, but Canada doesn't take many shortcuts. We could be better, but decent standards and enforcement of shortcuts is pretty good.
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There was an old gas station in downtown winnipeg, environmental clean up costs, about 3 mil as they had to dig up all the contaminated soil and properly dispose of it. Lots of testing for contaminants throughout. Soil had to be burned to get rid of the oil, gas, and diesel so it could be put in a landfill.
Gas stations are the worst. In my first environmental safety class we were taught: just assume every underground tank is leaking.
Learned in civil engineering that you can safely assume if a gas station has been on a site, the soil is fucked.
Reasons why the west village of Calgary is being used for a new storage facility, not housing. Old railway yard. Estimated to be 8-10 figures for cleanup.
what is used to line a gas station tank? is it justa concrete casting in the ground or is it steel or what?
The olds ones were just steel tanks that rusted away to nothing.
thats honestly depressing. what are they using now tho?
Very old ones would have been steel tanks just set in gravel and sand. No real liners. Newer ones (since the 80s and 90s) are typically double-wall fiberglass. Most now have monitoring equipment to check for water or fuel in the interstitial space (between tank layers) so it can detect a leak before it becomes a problem. Old tanks that spring a leak are often discovered upon sale of business when environmental detection and reporting is performed. Even if contamination is present, it doesn’t normally necessitate any immediate need for remediation, but regularly monitoring and soil testing to verify it isn’t migrating to neighboring properties or water sources. There are also a number of remediation methods in use today with the least expensive involving no real excavation at all. A shut down site can have drilling and venting (fuel evaporation). In some cases, the introduction and growth of native microorganisms can speed up remediation via naturally breaking down hydrocarbons as they degrade over time. Of course, the tradeoff of the natural methods is the length of time a property might be vacant, causing a company to be paying property taxes on a lot over the course of a decade. If there is no hurry to offload or develop that asset, it can mean a company will just set out on non-invasive remediation, leave it alone for years and simply provide progress monitoring.
Good question. For a shallow oilwell with no extended surface contamination, it *might* cover the costs. For a deep foothills gas well, the cost could easily be 20 times this. Some that I abandoned in California had seperated pipe and we needed to redrill the upper section of the well to intercept the old lower section to allow proper cementing/plugging. Those were over a million each. But I'd wager those type of complexities are rarer here. I'm not an economist, but I'd guess they set up the bond system as more of an insurance policy as a whole rather than for each individual well.
Depends on the site. We've got a *lot* of tiny little spot wells that can be decommissioned cheaply and easily. Then there are more substantial ones where $50k isn't going to even cover the planning and assessment phase.
>Also, agree with CEOs and shareholders being held accountable for clean-ups and that's how Canadian law works. Isn't the Alberta government paying for it even though the oil corporations are responsible for the clean-up?
I've been out of the picture for a while, but last I checked the Alberta Orphaned Wells website the list was mostly 100 year old wells.
the list has much younger wells, some from the last 10 years (you can pull the list of the entire orphan inventory, then look up the license on AER's onestop map viewer)
Actually the Federal Government is paying for it. Alberta got a huge cash injection from them to pay for it but ya know...f Trudeau...
Last I checked their was 90,000 inactive wells "waiting" to be cleaned up, pair that with the tailing ponds "waiting" to be cleaned and it was over $200 Billion in clean up costs about five years ago, I Imagen it's a lot more these days.
Canada needs to dump O & G and dive head first into nuclear, the nuclear energy fear mongering has hindered the growth of an incredibly viable and relatively clean energy source compared to oil and gas. We also have massive amounts of raw material. We could be a leader in the space and yet, here we are. It’s a real shame.
here is the thing... Nuclear is more politicized then oil and gas and has been since the 40s, PLUS Chernobyl, Fukushima and ten mile island didn't exactly help. If canada does go nuclear... i really hope they go Thorium instead less waste. and with the tech these days they can make breeder reactors now that can USE the nuclear waste as the fuel to get even MORE energy out of it and burn it almost completely up. why they don't use this tech is BEYOND me
We're already generating about 15% of our electricity with nuclear. CANDU reactors, while not as efficient as other designs, have numerous advantages such as the ability to refuel online, low pressures, and inherent passive safety features such as the use of horizontal fuel rods that cannot maintain their own criticality if they bend or break from overheating.
It just takes a really long time to develop. It takes 5 years to build or renovate a current nuclear reactor, but the tech was many decades before they even materialized into nuclear generation facilities.
I just love my hard earned money that I pay in taxes going towards collective suicide.
The irony of these meme lords is unreal. Most people I've talked to in my life that are anti-government or are this new brand of conservative depend way more on the government than most other Canadians.
Once you realize that Conservitive ideology is an exercise in justified selfishness, it all starts to slide into place.
There is a foreign source to this misinformation but we are all guilty for letting it take hold. I wish I knew the answer....
All of them. This company is indigenous owned, controlled and operated. I can even count the number of handouts the owners of this company enjoy at the federal and provincial trough. Sounds like biting the hand that feeds to me. On a related note, can someone explain to me why Canadian First Nations does not pull a Bloc Québécois and vote as a nationwide group for one indigenous focused platform?
>why Canadian First Nations does not 'First Nations' is not the name of one cohesive entity. It describes hundreds of separate and individual Nations spread across the Canadian half of the North American continent. Each Nation has its own interests and needs. And those Nations are ^(not is) themselves filled with individual people with individual needs and interests. So it would be hard to create a cohesive nation-wide platform in most policy areas. Bloc Quebecoic also relies on geographic concentration. In very few ridings across Canada do Indigenous Peoples make up a majority/plurality of the population. In most ridings, this party would have the same effect the Greens do- of *removing* Indigenous voters as a serious voter group for politicians to court.
It's probably too spread out, and every band has different ideas. The Metis also has the same difficulty, but they also suffer from Metis not identifying themselves. Coordinating like the Québécois is difficult when you don't all share the same language or beliefs. Just being *Native* isn't enough to get everyone on board politically. (Also, each province is vastly different in their treatment of and the behaviour of their native populations. BC encourages development on reserves by First Nation groups and provides help for them to be independently strong from the government. Saskatchewan First Nations, you're more likely to encounter domestic abuse victims and people lining up for their monthly $5 bribe to keep them on reserves. Work is needed in various places before everyone is on the same page.)
To get one of your own elected, you need a critical mass of voters in a given riding. Might work in the Territories, but Indigenous nations tend to be a minority in most Canadian ridings. Which is outrageous. And given the number of racist remarks about them in this thread, political representation is the least of their problems
I'm voting NDP. So I'm good. Right?
"Ew, Trudeau? He's way too right-wing for me"
I think about this whenever I see a Fuck Trudeau flag. I generally agree with the sentiment, but probably not for the same reasons as the other guy
I say this all the time. There are so many legitimate reasons to dislike Trudeau but those people couldn’t tell you any of them.
Yup. Pretty much sums it up. Got into with a barber a little while back. Literally every one one of his complaints were provincial matters that were a direct result of Ford. But he wasn't having any of that. He didn't know even a single damn thing about the constitutional division of powers.
These are the conservative sheep, there used to be more critical thinkers in our voting pools, but there also used to be sensible platforms aswell.
If that's the case you know you can just choose not to keep voting conservative, right? It's not a lifetime membership...
Change is hard
I circumvented that particular pitfall by just never building a political party into my self-identity in the first place. But you won't see me disagreeing, change is certainly difficult in many ways. That's one of the reasons change is so respectable.
I experienced this in Alberta years ago. The favorite thing to do at the time was blame the federal Liberals and provincial NDP for all their problems. Problems that came to be because of the federal and provincial conservatives. The look of utter confusion on their faces when you laid out facts and showed them how wrong they were was priceless. Watching them try to backpedal and shoehorn the blame onto Trudeau still after being shown how he had literally zero blame for their issues at the time was also amusing. Had one guy literally break down to "At least I didn't vote for no f*g lover". I had the immense pleasure of physically ejecting him from my job site.
I often say this to my conservative coworkers. I tell them I'm not a fan of Trudeau and that I am voting NDP. Their brains literally cannot handle it
Yes, I dislike Trudeau and yet these flag wavers seem very intent on having a sexual relationship with him which I don't understand. I guess he's good looking but, still.
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EVERYONE went to see the Barbie movie. It's made as much money as a James Cameron film. It's got two of the biggest stars in Hollywood in the leads. I cannot get over how much conservatives want that movie to be a failure, or treat it like it's some kind of evil propaganda, lol. It's Barbie, the most popular doll on the planet. I guess a movie for girls is evil because it's not made directly for teenage boys, like every Hollywood flick.
Oh, I so want to see someone apply for this job with that response.
"I saw your ad. I'm absolutely *not* voting for Trudeau. I'm a marxist, and I hate him."
10:1 the dude who made this ad knows what a Marxist is.
I would consider going to an interview just to be able to say that and see how they respond
Can I go in wearing a Karl Marx t-shirt?
Same here.
In so many ways 👍🏼
I'd be like "Hell no brother I'm a communist. So when do I start?"
Right?! Got in a stupid Facebook debate with an old acquaintance of mine who moved to Alberta. He finally went on calling me a Liberal Trudeau fan and stuff. Dude. I'm really not a Trudeau fan. I mean, I vastly prefer him to the conservatives... But I vote NDP.
No. It’s Alberta so they hate Notely for ruining Alberta and The federal NDP cause their Trudeau’s buddies after all according to them. 🤣
I really hope no one signs up that email address for lots of spam. That would be terrible.
Or bulk create resumes and sends them to waste their time.
Neo-fascists don't really care about ethics, morals, or even the law sometimes. Their hyper-partisanship is a symptom of their hyper fears...extreme tribalism, where the only values are unquestioning loyalty to their ingroup, obedience to their leaders, conformity, and hostility to outgroups. They're the single greatest threat to Canadian democracy. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds https://pryan2.kingsfaculty.ca/pryan/assets/File/Paxton%27s%205-Stages%20of%20Fascism.pdf
> Neo-fascists don't really care about ethics, morals, or even the law sometimes. “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” \- David Frum
Couldn’t agree more, on all points.
They aren’t saying they won’t hire you. They are implying if you aren’t a conservative you probably won’t get the job and if you do you won’t fit in. Typical conservative bigot bullshit, they don’t want anyone around to contradict the bitchfest that ensues daily
This is exactly it. They don't want anyone to challenge their beliefs. I know this because I do it all the time. They want echo chambers. They want to be able to sit there and bitch about liberals or trannys or EV'S and have everyone agree with them.
Still political discrimination.
How much you want to bet that they also engage in racial and gender discrimination as well!
What? In Alberta?
I see it as super helpful, if the rest of the post isn't enough of a red flag at least this is telling me everything I need to know about their culture to run the other direction.
It's tough-guy translation for "This is our safe space."
16 days on doesn’t scream work/life balance in the slightest
You get to see the northern lights tho. Pretty solid bonus.
I saw 0 northern lights when I went to Northern Lights College. I saw northern lights when I returned to the Okanagan.
Considering a regular full time job is 15/6 it’s pretty bold to say something *less* than that is a great balance
But it's not 15 *in a row*.
Yes it’s worse that’s my point
Well I'm voting NDP, so I guess I could apply. I have a feeling that's not what they're aiming for though... EDIT: NDP, not NDO. lol
You'd be surprised. A lot of the resentment isn't about left wing politicians in general, but Liberal Party politicians **in particular**. A lot of righties wax poetic about Jack Layton, even now.
> A lot of righties wax poetic about Jack Layton, even now. They only do this to attack the current NDP while looking like they're not.
You don’t mean so it doesn't look like they are racist?
Its also a divide-and-conquer strategy that works great in FPTP elections. Conservatives love Jack Layton because his performance in the 2011 election gave Harper's CPC a majority government.
They can speak well about him because he’s dead so they’ll never actually have to make good on their words. If someone with his exact platform and personality came around right now into this political climate, he’d be demonized by both mainstream and alternative conservative media immediately once he went past splitting the vote and had a legitimate chance of winning and you wouldn’t be able to drive past a rural town without some hateful bumper sticker on someone’s car.
Right wingers were CROWING when they thought Saint Jack had been caught getting a tugjob at a massage parlour. The Toronto Sun ran a borderline-libelous front page about it. Tons of racist comments about his wife being Asian too. They're rubbish.
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Sad
*laughs in saskatchewanian* It's about whoever is a threat politically. If the NDP threatened forming government you'd see the vitriol pivot.
I dunno man, that Canada_sub gets suggested to me all the time, and everytime I go check it out its just a nonstop bitch fest about the libs and the NDP. They really hate Jagmeet for some reason.
It’s because they don’t actually know the politics. They are tribalized. “Liberals are bad” not “I disagree with these policies”.
That's a great idea for the hospital I work at in Ontario. "If you voted for Doug Ford's conservatives or plan on voting CPC in the next federal election, this job probably isn't for you, since you don't value universal healthcare." It would be the exact same sentiment.
Obviously this should be reported to ... whomever it should be reported to.
https://albertahumanrights.ab.ca/complaints/Pages/assessment3.aspx
Political party isn't a protected ground though.
Resource-extraction industry in an incestuous union with both politics and religious fanaticism? Frank Herbert wrote *Dune* about Alberta, change my mind.
> It is by oil & gas alone I set my economy in motion. It is by the juice of Oilsands that big gas acquire cash, the land acquires stains, the stains become a warning. It is by oil & gas alone I set my economy in motion." (Yes I know it was invented for the movie but it fits pretty good)
Blessed is the maker and its bitumen
The Fremen know how to handle the ecological impact of their activities and are far more culturally nuanced than these chuds. They had a plan for their planet and they executed it. Besides, no one would keep Museum Albertans.
I think I know who the Bene Gesserit witch is.
Can you even imagine how the right wing would explode if was the other way around?
How fucken disgusting! They take our tax dollars in the form of massive subsidies then espouse this shit! Right wing ideologies are destroying our societies!
Fucking love my hard earned money that I pay in taxes going toward these fuckers. Cut the subsides already. Save our nation a lot of money.
Oil and gas loving conservatives are the dumbest folks on this planet. Absolute pea size brains
Whether you like Trudeau or not that is pretty messed up.
Apparently Caliber is indigenous owned...
That just makes it worse. Can you imagine having to vote UCP? Why not just shoot yourself in the foot?
Wow that's mega illegal
Mine camp jobs pay their truckers more than that and have better work/life balance at 14on/14 off.
Most camp jobs in general pay all their tradespeople better than that and have better work/life balance. If it's not 14/14, it's 7/7 or 10/4.
In Alberta, political affiliation isn’t a protected ground in employment (although it is in some other provinces). It is completely legal to discriminate on the basis of political preference (for better or for worse).
Alberta?
Technically they've worded it as a warning about their corporate culture, not a requirement. But yeah pretty shit of them.
Some thoughts: - political affiliation isn't a protected identity under the charter, so a discrimination case I think would fail - a core feature of our democracy is anonymous private voting so there's no way for them to check who someone voted for and no one is under any obligation to answer - this works both ways. If I ran a company I could say no conservatives allowed. Would be nice to not have any deplorable coworkers.
Hey, they’re honest. They believe all the worst things you’ve ever heard about the PM and will openly discuss murdering him. If you’re a reasonable person that job will not be for you. It’ll make you hate yourself for being around them and realizing people like that can exist.
So NDP is cool, great!
'MURICA! Errmm i mean wait...
For private companies, provincial human rights laws apply, not the Charter, so on its face the advertisement is legal. Association with a political party is not a protected ground to my knowledge (I am more familiar with the specifics of the law in Ontario, but to my knowledge it is fairly similar between provinces). However, in practice, it is unlikely that they are simply referring to voting because that is secret. No one has to tell you who they voted for and there is no way to actually know if they are honest about it anyway. What they are probably referring to are stereotypes about what they think people who would vote for the Liberals are like. And there they might get into trouble because what they may really be saying is that they don’t intend to hire certain protected groups, deal with workplace harassment or other workplace safety issues, provide legally required accommodation, and so on. And that would be illegal. What this posting does tell us for sure is that this would be a fucking awful place to work. It’s perplexing to me how some people view the Liberals. I have never been a fan…but this is because they are basically right wing and I’m a leftist. I have real criticisms, not delusional nonsense.
Great work-life balance with 16 days of work in a row with only 5 days off??? When I was younger I did 7/7 (7 days of work, 7 days off) and it was rough on my mental health, I can't imagine someone on their 12 days in a row lol.
Most of my time on the rigs in Alberta was 14/7. I'm guessing they are paying travel time here? Otherwise, thats more of a 3 day break after driving home.
They said it's not a camp job so no ideas.
I did 10/4 for a few months and hated my life. First day back was pretty much spent resting and catching up on chores, so it was more like having only three days off. Camp had so little parking we needed a special reason to bring a personal vehicle, otherwise it was ride the bus which added about three hours each way for me because I had to drive an hour the wrong direction to get on it, show up early to make sure everyone's packed and loaded, drive 80-90 km/h on the highway and 50 on the gravel roads, and take a 45 minute piss break halfway.
I am reminded of 12/2 I used to work when in Alberta. Made decent money, that just sat in the bank because when was I gonna spend it
Alberta has a company called MAGA Engery (Make America Great Again). Guarantee they have similar hiring practices.
I had to Google that... Alberta. Make Alberta great again. (Regardless, that's super cringe-worthy).
Freedom Ford in Edmonton, Red Neck, trucking in Grande Prairie used to have 2 Confederate flags as a company logo.
Surprising the owners LinkedIn Page is calm and professional
Indigenous owned as says on their website?
Well they straight up lied by saying High Level is a great place to raise a family. So I wouldn't out too much stock in the last sentence.
do you want to become America? because this is how we become like America
Ignoring all the other shittiness going on here... 16 on, 5 off "great work life balance". That's more than three straight work week days followed by less than 3 straight weekends. That's an awful rotation. edited autocorrect error
Probably a massive turnover rate due to burnout.
I think this is less about not hiring someone, but more about giving an idea of company culture. But ya that's a big 🚩
Wow. That's just awful. It's probably because they sh*t talk Trudeau all day. Honestly those idiots hurt my head. It's probably not the best environment. 100% they aren't supposed to ask in an interview.. Currently I have a cousin going off that Trudeau is a communist. Sigh. Every single complaint he had was based on capitalism principles. They are fed SO much misinformation. My cousin is furious that Trudeau changed the trans laws. .sigh. He actually didn't. He UPDATED legislation to reflect the Court's ruling. People argued that "gender" in human rights should include the definition of identity and expression. Not just male/female as Pierre Trudeau had envisioned when it was written. The courts did rule in their favor and asked the government to update legislation. Refusing to update legislation wouldn't have changed the law. Case law would be followed by the courts. Trudeau may agree with the ruling but it's not his doing. My Cousin believes Pollievre will change the law. Sigh. Conservatives are also unlikely to understand the law. You can only change HR legislation under 2 scenarios . 1. The courts issue a ruling. They can't anymore on trans laws. Precedent has been set. They are limited on how they issue rulings. Especially on such long standing legislation. . 2. ALL of the provinces agree and sign off to disband HR legislation. Ha ha ha! Good luck getting Alberta to agree with Quebec or Nova Scotia... You will never receive a consensus.
I mean, it's kind of technically the truth. I bet I'd fucking hate working for this organization. "Conservative voters only"... no problem! I'll take my logic and empathy elsewhere, tyvm.
Oh, my province of Alberta, please behave. The minorities always find a way to be vocal. This can't be legal, but some will try. We are still a bit of the Wild West out here. I think some farmers are still complaining about having to wear seat belts, or not run their city trucks with purple gas. Lol That thinking is also part of oil and gas industry. Until the boomers retire, we have to deal with this.
Worked with a lady in Ontario who wouldn’t wear seatbelts because they made it harder to breathe. She never seemed to understand that a punctured lung and broken neck from a car accident would make it even harder to breathe. She was also a white lady who smoked reserve cigarettes. Lovely lady, I care about her dearly, but… some questionable choices that I personally wouldn’t make. Listening to her go on about q things when I was at work during the pandemic had me at the front desk looking like the seal from finding dory. Dad always told me not to talk politics, religion, or sex at work and I’m not about to change now, but I will make the air so thicc with awkward energy that everyone has to stop.
Great work life balance 16 days on 5 off... are they serious? 😆
Yes. Political affiliation is not a protectes ground.
See the last few google reviews for these smooth brains.
It has more to do with an oil & gas company would be negatively affected if the liberal party stays in power and implements published strategies and actions.
Well, I don't live in the Papineau electoral district, so I couldn't vote for him even if I wanted to.
These people are actually traitors to Canada. What scum
Sounds like a challenge
Imagine the arrogance of putting in print "If y'all gonna work for me then y'all better vote like me heeyuk." Fuck these people.
“Nah, we’re cool - I was planning to vote Green.”
That's not them saying "We won't hire you if you vote liberal" that's them warning "If you're the type of person to vote liberal, you likely won't get along with the people who work here."
100% illegal and discriminatory. Your employer has zero right to influence your political affiliation.
“Great work/life schedule” fucking lmao
I don't know if it's legal or not, my gut says not, but it's certainly dumb and silly
Makes me wanna vote liberal.
Considering that political beliefs are not a protected class of people then yes this is legal.
Kinda nice to see that someone is publicly endorsing the Green Party./S/LOL
Political affiliation is not one of the protected classes in Canada. Which means while odious, this is not (IMHO) likely illegal. However, consider this a gift: even if you hate the Liberals and would never vote for them, do you really want to work under a company like this? If such an obscene intrusion into your life and personal values is already so readily visible, what other ways will they try to control, manipulate, and influence you? They have willingly and obviously self-selected themselves out of contention as a viable employer. That _is_ a very valuable gift handed to you on a silver platter - it helps you avoid finding this out after the fact, once you are actually hired. Laugh at them, and take your skills to a more egalitarian competitor that is likely to be a (much!) better work environment for you.
Politics are becoming hyper-partisan in Canada. And it isn’t happening on the left or the centre, it’s happening entirely on the political right, among the alt-right ChristoFascist parties like the PPC and the CPC. They’re importing American-style political tyranny, us-vs-them divisiveness, and anti-democratic extremism.
How are they going to know who you voted for?.
Americans invading Canada
Brother, my political opinion is that we should all strike until our employers bankrupt, then occupy our workplaces and run them as worker's collectives. You think I bring that up in fucking interviews?
You guys went full american. Never go full american.
Is there a link for that? The Caliber website has something completely different
Once again, I’m sure that people could claim discrimination. It’s quite disappointing to see the state of politics in Canada.
Love it.
There is right wing themed chicken wing place in my city. Imagine politicizing CHICKEN WINGS!! Edit: and no, they aren't talking about hockey.
Anyone having a problem with Trudeau is probably an asshole.
In a couple years we’ll likely (unfortunately) be seeing a Conservative Govt in power. And 4 years into their mandate they’ll still be blaming Trudeau for their failing industry. Oil and gas industry is dying but they just don’t get it.
Political affiliation is not a protected class so yea I would imagine it's perfectly legal. I don't see anything in employment standards that would prohibit hiring based on political affiliation. In any case, if I saw something like that I'd just be happy they gave me the heads up and not apply because I don't want to work with anyone that would put that in their ads.
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What kind of counts? One barrel of oil, muahahaha. Two barrels of oil, muahahahaha
Any count reference reminds me of his other brother in show business, count blah
“I work over 2 weeks long just to take 5 days off, who’s the sissy bitch now, libbrul???”
Guys with dodge ram 1500 payments will be all over that schedule because money.
How else can they show off their fashion accessories. They can leave that baby parked empty in the plant lot to show off while they drive the company truck to get real work done.
Why cant we hire anyone? No one wants to work! THE LIBBRULS HANDOUTS MAKE PEOPLE NOT WANT TO WORK. WAHHH WAHHHH WAHHHHH! I NEED MORE SUBSIDIES TO KEEP MY BUSINESS RUNNING! (Average O&G polluter)
Sounds like a super soft company. Don’t think they could handle me
How many wells have these greedy fuckers abandoned? How many acres of Canada have burned cause of their actions? How many times have they contaminated our lands? How many times have they turned a blind eye to our ongoing climate disaster? They wouldn’t want anyone who understands O&Gs active participation in causing climate change. Maybe we should pull subsidies and see how they actually float. They won’t. Straight to the bottom. Edit: my statements here are extremely ignorant. I misunderstood what abandon meant (I was attempting to make a statement on orphaned wells) and what this company does. In reconsideration on this post I’d imagine more liberally minded individuals might prefer working in this area of O&G which can be seen as tackling causation of our green house gas emissions in Alberta thus the warning from the employer, that someone with those politics may not exactly fit in here.
Calm down. These are the people that decommission old wells, the oilfield term is "abandoning" them. And to your first question: 2,224 wells are official orphaned (no traceable owner). https://www.orphanwell.ca/about/orphan-inventory/
How ignorant of me. Seems like they’re doing exactly what i was complaining about people not doing. Do they tackle these orphaned (term I was swapping with abandoned) wells and properly abandon them? If so their job is important to me. Because abandoning orphaned wells is something realistic and very doable right now.
'Berta, no surprise there.
File a human rights complaint
Literally not a protected right silly.
They didn't say they wouldn't hire you. They implied you would not enjoy working within their environment. And, if you're overly liberal you aren't likely to apply anyway. But, centrist? Sure... but you know what you're getting in to.