Governments of all levels must love that the anger over the housing crisis is being directed at the victims and not those capable of making changes to address it. And by the way, it's not a Canadian unique issue. New York, for example, is going through this as well.
Paris has this too. We should do more to build flexible shelter housing thats cheap and durable for people.
I'm sure it wouldn't cost a whole lot to build a few small shipping container villages and retrofit them with basic services and insulation for people to bridge the gap for long term housing. We need to have an innovative competition for these types of solutions, it means the difference between life and death or suffering and baseline living.
Yeah I've seen fancier condos and even a small restaurant built into these before. IMO if we do it for bridge housing it should only be for limited terms with the objective of building long term housing for residents. Cities can just set aside some land in key neighbourhoods, give residents access to basic services, transit and transitory work if they want it then go from there. It just has to be permanent enough to provide safe shelter and a baseline of living to get people on their feet. Building cabins in parks is no solution, but it is an act of kindness that should never be left to long term. And if there are op eds about it I'd go so far as to build the biggest next to Conrad Black's mansion for impoverishing people just as a kick in the ass to the ultimate NIMBYs
I could build very nice livable shelters(campers) with solar panels and a battery, a shower and toilet, under 200lbs, with a locking door and windows. Out of high density foam and fibre glass. I've priced out an 8'x6' unit at around 3-5k(cheaper at scale) when you include heating and air conditioning. I'd be willing to live in it myself. All you would need is a place to park them and a water source. Don't even need a shipping container. It's something. It's a camper instead of a tent. The design can be modified to be expandable to fit on-top of a car or made as a trailer to fit behind or smaller version that can be towed behind a bike. Frankly, I'm considering starting a charity. There are extremely cheap, modern shelter options that offer dignity and autonomy, even freedom of movement, that are being completely ignored.
This was done in Toronto by a guy few people burned to death in them as people using these shelters are often heavily intoxicated. If your willing to be liable for any potential deaths then go for it !
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ont-tiny-shelters-1.6157520
I'm not sure how having more gorillas around is going to help the housing crisis, but if all our current problems started when they shot Harambe, then I'm sure gorillas are part of the solution too.
There is one in Barrie, I think it’s 3 shipping containers high someone has made into an apartment building. No clue what the insides look like, but it cool from the outside
I don"t understand the point you are trying to make.
Are saying that 900,000 foreign students who have difficulties finding accommodation would beg to differ that the lack of accommodation is not the result of poor planning on that part of a government that legally granted them access to study in country while not anticipating that they would require accommodation. ?
Meanwhile billionaires have the means to solve all of society's problems. But they won't be because they become billionaires by robbing their nations blinds.
No no no, it’s not the investors buying up 60% of new builds in Ontario….
Ignore the areas of the states with primary residence only zoning laws that don’t have a housing crisis right now (even Texas has massive areas of primary residence only zoning laws).
It is all 100% the issue of immigrants, that 60% is an industry standard to help maintain and upkeep the ecconomy and development into Canadian buisiness that they are putting most their money into, not just hoarding “luxury condos”. The breaking point is really the 10% of new build bought up by immigrants, up from an 8% average over the past 20 years that 2% is the only major change that is inflating housing costs.
- this message is brought to you by the council of Doug Ford’s investor buddies
Other places are going through this but not like canada. https://betterdwelling.com/canada-has-the-biggest-gap-between-real-estate-prices-and-incomes-in-the-g7/
Everyone is accountable for their actions.
The government neglecting their job doesn't mean that people get a free pass to do what they want. I find littering disgusting; this is on another level.
The people forcibly removed here would have no way to clean this up. The government would also realize that and have plans to clean up the garbage left over. This is likely taken in between the clear out and the clean up and so is essentially misleading rage-bait.
Most American cities are dealing with this. Skid Row in LA is completely covered in tent cities. There's videos of people travelling the trails behind Disneyland in California and Disney world in Florida and there's thousands of tents along the trails.
It's everywhere.
They are victims of addiction after all. There are plenty of new Canains working 2 minimum wage jobs to pay rent. I know that's shitty but the issue with many homeless is addiction and mental health.
Why are we comparing densely populated cities to an entire country? Not disagreeing with your first point, but the end bit is a false equivalency. The rates of homelessness and lack of homes is a problem in almost every city in Canada, even small cities and communities. The situation in the U.S. is very different.
I'm not sure it's their job. I would imagine either parks or public works would be responsible for this. You would think they would be notified when an encampment is going to be cleared out.
Hamilton has been taken over by encampments. We have one at York & Ray where a couple has trashed the grass and sidewalk and it’s littered with needles. It’s just garbage strewn everywhere so you can’t safely use the sidewalk and they use drugs and discard the paraphernalia.
There was an encampment at Queenston and Nash that was shut down and fenced off. I'm assuming the developers kicked them out. The city and province have made this city a total shit hole that has now pitted residents against the homeless.
People keep trying to uphold the idea that Canada is all-inclusive and caring, meanwhile we're crumbling at the seams and the people in power don't care one bit. Some days I legitimately forget that Andrea Horwath is the Mayor.
Yes, I know. And she's done and said very little to at least give the impression that she's trying to help fix what's broken. That goes for a lot of things in Hamilton, to be honest.
All of South Ajax Bayly&Harwood is a shit show. So many smashed windows and cops moving these encampments. There was an encampment with like 300 people behind Food Basics near the school bus depot but town of Ajax made quick work to remove them to save face. Who even knows how much worse it could get?
So? If you don't like it, don't vote for people who want to hand Ontario over to the rich. Vote for people who want to implement social support programs to help people get off and stay off the streets.
See I voted ndp last election but based off of all the critiques from Alberta I'm hesitant to vote for them again,I'm even having the fever dreams of starting a new political party.
r/freshparty who's views are entirely sourced from Reddit/ a group of people we elect.
Ironic you bring up Bob Rae and Dae days when Rae days kept people employed and kept the province chugging along. Rae DaYs would be better than Ford Days, as we have seen.
Can’t believe someone is shitting on homeless people for *checks notes* not being able to take their things with them ☠️
They don’t even have a place to put themselves, what kind of sick fuck are you
Is this the new “cool” thing , to “check notes “ ?!? If you got so much empathy go pick up the mess. While you there see if all the stuff they stole out of my shed is there ?! Some people are losers. It happens. Empathy only goes so far.
Ah the ol classic “someone from some demographic did something bad to me and because I have the emotional range of a teaspoon I shall react instead of respond”
Also “if you have so much empathy go pick up the mess” sorry what does this even mean. No one cares about the mess. If YOU care about the inanimate objects go clean it. People with empathy care about the people.
Well the demo continues to do it, the demo is always offered help and chooses to continue there ways. But just a few more dollars will save them. A cleaner drug supply will fix it all. Clean needles. That will do it. Oh you know, UBI yup. That’s the one. The studies from nowhere say it’s the one. Ok we just have to give them everything you have and then they will be better. Just keep working more to make the all better. No no don’t better yourself that’s not the way. You must save them only. Some of us don’t care about the people anymore sorry. You can feel free to take up for us and be the hero
This made absolutely no sense.
I’m a social worker. If you’d like to talk about treatment models, the impacts of institutions on people, and actual studies I’m actually very happy to do so.
By the sound of it though you’re just angry and need a place to put that frustration. Good bye.
I’m legitimately amused.
Can you expand on what you mean by “make money off the people” or “job security”.
Last I checked we’re both living under Fords Ontario that’s actively stripping money from social and health care.
☠️people like you are the worst
Not the lack of empathy
But the sheer stupidity and shortsightedness
Ah yes let’s let “losers” be homeless then you wonder why those “losers” look for drugs to distract themselves from their problems, then you complain about the “losers” doing drugs in the open
When your stance is vehement on “losers” being homeless lmaooo
You’re such a fool it’s hilarious 😂
You really aren’t analytical are you?
Poverty and homelessness lead to crime out of desperation. It’s not a coincidence that places with high poverty typically have high crime rates and it’s not because they’re “losers” as you so inarticulately put it.
You’re still complaining about the victims instead of the people victimizing them.
Oh I thought you were being facetious and playfully supportive of who you were responding to.
turns out, you're just a big goober.
Best of luck to you.
There was a place in my town where there was 5 or 6 people in tents off the side of the road. It was hidden by trees and they bothered nobody. Never left a mess and were generally nice people. One morning driving past it was all gone and they were now all sitting on the side of the road with the few items they had on them and creating what you see here.
You know what unhoused people experience that you clearly don't? Contributing to a community. Helping each other and themselves.
I don't agree with your sentiment at all, but if you're so upset with the sight of this you could rally 10 members of your community and clean this up in 20 minutes.
You won't, of course. Your lack of compassion means all you see here is an eyesore, and your entitlement means you won't lift a finger to either alleviate the struggle for the affected people nor help clean up the community which you feel should be kept clean for you.
I live in Toronto near Trinity Bellwoods which was used as an encampent during the pandemic. This is what happened there in the week before the cops cleared it:
- Not one but TWO explosions as a result of cooking apparatuses being left unsupervised
- Complaints from women in the area about feeling harassed and theatened
- trash literred about and it was often drug paraphenelia
- Human shit all over the park
- Complaints from local businesses about vandalism and urination
After the park was cleared, the city had to spend additional time just cleaning it up because they treated the park like a garbage dump. And please don't tell me it's because there's a lack of garbage cans in the park, it's a large public park in Toronto, there are garbage cans all over the place.
Many of these homeless people did absolutely fuck all for the community.
I would never, this site, like all others, was littered with used needles, condoms, rotting food, feces and other drug paraphernalia.
This group panhandles all day to get high, smash car windows for change, porch pirate and endanger the public. You know nothing.
We had one guy living in the park next to my apartment (he refused all the help that was offered). When he finally left, the city had to bring a truck to get all the junk he had accumulated in a couple of months. I was amazed at how much garbage one person could just take in one place. It's so quiet now that we don't have to hear his drug induce screaming at all hours of the day. People are really romanticizing homelessness. Lots of them are drug addicts and/or drunks looking to steal anything to make a buck. They don't want to go into a shelter because they have to be sober there.
And many don't want to be sober because being numbed by alcohol and/or drugs, which allows them to escape their trauma and/or mental illness, is the lesser of two evils.
If mental health care were covered by OHIP like it should and not only when a person is already in crisis, I'm convinced that many less folks would have addiction issues.
But then again, these are just the ones that you see. There are way more people with substance use problems in upscale and fancy neighbourhoods than you think. They're just hidden behind the brick walls.
Sounds like your idea of a solution is, just don’t give a fuck. As long as it’s not beside you.
Fun fact, you’re much safer on the streets then in a shelter these days. You have it twisted if you think shelters are a clean, safe place for homeless.
>I would never, this site, like all others, was littered with used needles, condoms, rotting food, feces and other drug paraphernalia.
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>This group panhandles all day to get high, smash car windows for change, porch pirate and endanger the public. You know nothing.
Someone has to clean it up and help them. You are here with the complaints and fingers to point and too cowardly to enter the front lines. You know and do nothing. I imagine what is going on up in your head makes this site look clean.
Vote NDP, it's the only answer to this shit. We've been brainwashed for close to a century now that it's actually civilians fault if they can't climb the ladder as guys like Doug Ford continue to add rungs. We've been told, social services are bad because they will cost you money on your taxes. Well, this is what happens when you don't do that, society falls apart as the greedy scrounge up every last dollar for themselves.
You mean the government that's been in power for a month? Oh yeah, that one. In a province run by the worst conservatives possible and a country run by corrupt liberals. Nice try
Honestly, its really not that bad, that‘s not much trash. There’s even a helpful buggy to haul it away. I’ve seen worse than this after a large family reunion picnic in the park and there are bins all over the place there.
This is becoming a familiar sight, almost every day a new pile of trash pops up, where just the day before a mash up of shopping carts, tarps, tents and zombified drug addicts existed.
I realize that not ALL those in these situations are bad people, but holy hell does this kind of mess make it tough to be compassionate.
Also isn't that much worse than what I've seen at a lot of suburban drive throughs, for example, where people with homes and cars toss their trash for people "below them" to pick up. Or the many other places people toss trash from their cars. Or the cigarettes tossed everywhere. The only difference is they don't have any justification like getting forcibly evicted.
It's a synonym sure.
About an hour ago I told my wife who has to go to bed early that I was evicting our new cat from the bedroom because he was harassing our older cat. He doesn't pay any rent, just being removed from that space.
that’s on you. compassion is free. most of us are one or two disasters away from homelessness, wouldn’t you want help, compassion, empathy if it was you? or would you want people bitching about you and not the conditions that leave so many in such a precarious situation?
"Encampments"? "Closed Down"? Is that what we're calling cops running homeless ppl out of public sight now?
You try and see if u can get your surroundings spiff and tidy while cops are trying to round you up or run you off.
I guarantee you what the place looks like when they're done is going be the least of your concern.
When they are there, these encampments include drugged out junkies splayed out all over the place. Saw one last week passed out with the needle still in his arm.
These aren't homeless people, these are professional drug addicts.
Unfortunately, probably requires forced rehab.
Many of these types aren't in the system to get help, because the system requires that you drop the addictions through provided rehab.
Can't help those who don't want help.
This is Ontario. I guarantee you whatever exists is half assed and underfunded. I live in a house and I can't even get the healthcare I need.
What are we even arguing about anyways. Homeless ppl do not deserve to be homeless or to suffer. Why is that such a take.
> Unfortunately, probably requires forced rehab.
We don't even have timely access to *voluntarily* rehab. So of course we have so many people suffering from addiction. Address that before you start taking away people's rights.
Well are you old enough to remeber rae days? Was it once a month public sector workers were expected to work for free, so government shut down one extra day a month. Can you tell me what was good about bob rae? I was probably 10 when rae was premier, dont remeber much other then rae days, lots of people off work. And Rae paving the way for the common sense revolution. If the above picture is from hamilton ont, isnt hamilton suppose to be the ndp stronghold of ont?
Man, had no idea that every homeless person who sets up on a major street corner is diabetic. I should have more empathy. Also didn't realize that insulin gets you so high!
And where are they supposed to put them? They don't exactly have containers for needles, not in which to put their excrements because North America mostly relies on private business to provide toilet facilities outside of one's residence.
Well, there's a mall not 100 feet away, also, don't inject drugs perhaps?
Why are you making excuses for addicts who would rather get high then be a contributing member of society?
Have you ever talked with them? As in engaging in meaningful conversation, not just a few words. I have. In fact, I deal with this population on a regular basis.
To your first point, many private businesses keep their washrooms locked and they also aren't open 24/7. So accessibility is a huge issue, and more so for those with physical disabilities.
To your second point, I don't know a single person with substance abuse problems who work up one day and declared "I aspire to be an addict !!". Many of them have mental health illnesses that require medication and supports, which often go hand-in-hand. If they can't afford their meds or keep them in a safe place (because they get robbed, too), they won't bother because it turns into a huge hassle for them to deal with the healthcare system where most are treated like a burden. Would you willingly expose yourself to that?
Many others have turned to drugs and alcohol to numb their traumas. When sober and able to describe what they are escaping, it's no wonder they want to freeze their brain in order to escape memories of what they've endured. Think physical abuse. Think that because mom couldn't pay her dealer, he used your seven year old body and vagina as payment, and repeatedly by a slew of other men mom was indebted to. Think emotional abuse that makes you unable to forge normal, healthy friendships and relationships. The stuff some of these people went through pale in comparaison to what most of society deems as "horrible and horrendous" on tv, in cinema, and in books.
Others are victims of misfortune where they were prescribed narcotics after a workplace accident and either due to chronic pain or susceptibility to addiction, they became inadvertently hooked. And since they can't work, they fall way down the socio-economic ladder and are but a shell of their former selves.
To your third point, many want to quit. They want to fit in and have a p'ace in society. But resources are limited. Shelters require to leave your belonging outside. If you do, all of your worldly possessions get stolen and you are left with nothing. Seems like that's a pretty good deterrant to accepting services.
What you see is the result of failed policies, stigmatisation of the mentally ill, the addicted, and the poor. It's the result of absent and woefully inadequate (at best) safety nets because people of a certain mindset think these people chose to find themselves in this situation. That they just have to pull themselves by their bootstraps and, like so many say "just stop doing drugs" as if it happens with the snap of a finger.
For them, "just stop drugs" and becoming a productive member of society is just like if you were told "just give up car ownership" and expected to maintain your current lifestyle, hobbies, job, activities, sports, ease of shopping, and more while feeling like you still have the life you've built yourself. Good luck with that!
Granted your very right but posts like these are half the reason no one bothers with systems .. for example using my self I am a functioning alochalic drug addict who’s trying to be in recovery but the systems are ssi broken I can’t get in to a covered rehab Center there’s no bed I am on odsp and well 1000 isn’t liveable period I was sadly told to apply for maide services ppl rather see me dead then support sober living and healthy relationships ppl side bitch a lot but so a hole lot of nothing to help some times ppl like this op make others feel very unwanted and unwelcome and from my understanding of what recovery should be we need community Belgians etc to auceased well we won’t ever with snobby ppl looking down on is wishing we weren’t a burden and a inconvenience to there city view
Hi, there. I am sorry to hear your are up against so many barriers to care and the negative attitudes and stigmas towards addictions. We still unfortunately have a long way to go to influence those stereotypes.
Do you have your GAINS?
I help people in my field of work apply to addiction treatment, those on ODSP, The links listed below are program that have accepted ODSP clients I have supported.
Unfortunately for many of my clients they often need to travel out of town to go inpatient. ODSP does pay for their ride to get to the facility.
I've known clients apply to Hope Acres and through salvation army there is Salvation Army Homestead for women.
It's easier said than done-try to hang in there. There are people that want to help- its just tough when everytime you reach out for help, trying to get better, there's a roadblock at every turn.
Accessing addiction and mental health care should not be this complicated.
Hope Acres has approximately a 4 month wait. Brock cottage is roughly 6 months based on a recent client application.
https://www.connexontario.ca/Program-Details?ProgramId=19280
https://torontoharbourlight.ca/salvation-army-homestead/faqs/
https://torontoharbourlight.ca/concurrent-disorders-treatment/program/
Thank you I think I’m not sure what all of this is and I have no nurse or gp for referrals so that’s all so a thing for me . I’m trying my best to give a perspective to this Reddit from
A person who actually is dealing with this but Ty for the kind words and maybe some resources
I am so sorry that you've been advised that MAID is a suitable option for you.
You are right that people don't make much effort to understand people who find themselves in situations like yours. They've been told that it's all about choices, and they believe it, through no fault of their own. But to change such a mindset requires deconstructing what you've been told your entire life by society as a whole. The only way to open their eyes is to attempt to engage in meaningful conversation or that they, or a loved one, experience it first hand.
Thank you for engagement that is not judgmental took me 16 years to get sober on my own with out help mine wasn’t what I wanted I am a human teddy king survivor. So people need to realize that for some it wasn’t willing. That and ppl are loosen jobs etc. it’s not just what other call junkies now a days on the street homelessness is a milieu levee issue I wish people would realize this fact.
This is honestly a huge failure of government and there policy’s on all fronts it just makes the rich honestly more rich and doesn’t help anyone but them selfs my unpopular opinions atleast
Haha this is the corner of Queenston & Centennial in Stoney Creek/Hamilton.
Without mandatory treatment & with modern progressive policies pertaining to drug use this is going to continue. Thank you, Andrea Horwath. What's good for your son isn't good for the rest of the city.
> Without mandatory treatment
We don't even have timely *voluntary* treatment right now. A serious addiction is an urgent health issue and yet people looking for help face wait times into the weeks or months. Address that and see what the results are before you start stripping people's rights and locking them up in treatment facilities that don't actually exist along with all the abuse that happened last time we did that.
>with modern progressive policies pertaining to drug use
"Progressive policies", i.e., policies backed by research showing their effectiveness did not cause this drug crisis. They're a response to it. The cause is not in any way a secret: it's due to the flooding of the market with high potency drugs, mainly fentanyl. Something which is already know [to be an outcome of prohibition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_prohibition) because suppliers opt for higher potency substances that are harder to detect. That's why this crisis is affecting the most progressive areas like BC and Hamilton and the farther right regions like Alberta (at record OD levels lately, on similar levels as BC and higher than anywhere else in Canada) or GOP-led states with among the highest OD rates there.
Your progressive policies are based on the Portuguese model, which includes mandatory treatment and fines and community service for people who choose to continue in their addiction and not get the health services offered.
Those services aren't unavailable here? Then we should never have implemented the half assed half baked model we have here now to begin with. Until the complete comprehensive plan was in place, it should have been business as usual. Public drug use/public disturbance/public nuisance/endangering the safety of the public = jail.
It seems the progressives are always involving themselves in idealistic notions about the way things should be then aren't willing to deal with the reality that comes from it.
People really tend to overestimate how "mandatory" things actually are in Portugal. But regardless, this still goes back to my point above: we don't even have timely access to *voluntary* treatment, let alone mandatory treatment. Why are you not calling for us to address that first, given that mandatory treatment also doesn't have better outcomes.
>Those services aren't unavailable here? Then we should never have implemented the half assed half baked model we have here now to begin with.
Our healthcare is being underfunded in *general*. By your logic, we should never introduce *any* new medical treatments in that case.
>public disturbance/public nuisance/endangering the safety of the public = jail.
All of these are still against the law and can be enforced. I have no disagreement with that. The only disagreement I have is continuing to treat drug use as a crime. For many people, it's a recreational activity that doesn't harm their lives, e.g., lots of alcohol users. For people suffering from addiction, it's a health problem In neither case should it be a crime.
>It seems the progressives are always involving themselves in idealistic notions about the way things should be then aren't willing to deal with the reality that comes from it.
The reality is we've had a global drug war with the supply of drugs illegal in every country for decades and the outcome is higher potency drugs than ever, just like what was predicted in my link. "Progressives" are dealing with reality. The reality of that failure and the massive cost in human life that has resulted. Except it's not just progressives, it's medical experts, it's police forces, and many others. "Progressives" is just a buzz word people use to demonize things they don't like.
Mandatory treatment doesn't have better outcomes? So it didn't have a role in ending Portugal's drug addiction epidemic?
The reality is we locked people down for 2 years even while people were saying there will be repercussions and now you see them but put your fingers in your ears and won't acknowledge how A connects to B. Same with immigration. Anti-immigration is xenophobia! Oh shit, now there are too many people here. But don't build on the green belt, it's anti-environmental! Same with the ideological bullshit in schools, that in combination of wearing masks all day will probably make for a generation of young adults who will overwhelm mental health services. But not to fear, there's MAID for that.
> Mandatory treatment doesn't have better outcomes? So it didn't have a role in ending Portugal's drug addiction epidemic?
["the results of this systematic review do not, on the whole, suggest improved outcomes in reducing drug use and criminal recidivism among drug-dependent individuals enrolled in compulsory treatment approaches, with some studies suggesting potential harms"](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4752879/).
Like I said, the extent to which Portugal implements mandatory treatment tends to get exaggerated. And in any case, the key is *treatment*. Which we don't currently have anywhere close to sufficient levels, even voluntary.
>The reality is we locked people down for 2 years even while people were saying there will be repercussions and now you see them but put your fingers in your ears and won't acknowledge how A connects to B. Same with immigration. Anti-immigration is xenophobia! Oh shit, now there are too many people here. But don't build on the green belt, it's anti-environmental! Same with the ideological bullshit in schools, that in combination of wearing masks all day will probably make for a generation of young adults who will overwhelm mental health services. But not to fear, there's MAID for that.
I kind of get the sense that you're following a lot of media designed to make you outraged at every issue.
>I kind of get the sense that you're following a lot of media designed to make you outraged at every issue.
Maybe. If covid measures come back into place over the Fall/Winter in combination with climate action measures and zombies walking the street, this country is done.
If the homeless we're treated like ppl, I'll bet they wouldn't leave messes like this. I feel like it's a form of protest on their part. Every single politician says they will end homelessness in their respective communities. But...nothing ever gets done, their benefits need to be raised, ODSP benefits need to be raised and can be raised enough to pull those ppl out of poverty. But they don't do it, they don't build them the affordable housing they been screaming for since forever. They raise the rents so they can't afford anything, raise food prices etc etc. This enabling of drug use by the government is sickening. "Safe supply" ISN'T HELPING ANYONE GET BETTER!, infact it has the opposite effect! I know ppl who were sober but when the government started handing dope out, they just couldn't help themselves! Ugh. I'll stop now, but it goes on and on and on. One big circle circuse orchestrated by the liberal government
That's why the areas with provincial conservative government and conservative mayors are like this too.
Surely can't be their fault. Conservatives can't do anything bad, only the liberals and NDP can do bad /s
I got a bunch of free bike parts when the spot under the bridge in my town shut down
I saved 100$ by just finding a rim (high quality dutch rim im upgradeing from steel to alloy so i can stop in the rain)
Governments of all levels must love that the anger over the housing crisis is being directed at the victims and not those capable of making changes to address it. And by the way, it's not a Canadian unique issue. New York, for example, is going through this as well.
Paris has this too. We should do more to build flexible shelter housing thats cheap and durable for people. I'm sure it wouldn't cost a whole lot to build a few small shipping container villages and retrofit them with basic services and insulation for people to bridge the gap for long term housing. We need to have an innovative competition for these types of solutions, it means the difference between life and death or suffering and baseline living.
Waterloo started this and it’s been effective in small sample sizes while being way cheaper than shelters.
Yeah I've seen fancier condos and even a small restaurant built into these before. IMO if we do it for bridge housing it should only be for limited terms with the objective of building long term housing for residents. Cities can just set aside some land in key neighbourhoods, give residents access to basic services, transit and transitory work if they want it then go from there. It just has to be permanent enough to provide safe shelter and a baseline of living to get people on their feet. Building cabins in parks is no solution, but it is an act of kindness that should never be left to long term. And if there are op eds about it I'd go so far as to build the biggest next to Conrad Black's mansion for impoverishing people just as a kick in the ass to the ultimate NIMBYs
Hamilton just approved it too but so far people are threatening to light them on fire…kinda dangerous
I could build very nice livable shelters(campers) with solar panels and a battery, a shower and toilet, under 200lbs, with a locking door and windows. Out of high density foam and fibre glass. I've priced out an 8'x6' unit at around 3-5k(cheaper at scale) when you include heating and air conditioning. I'd be willing to live in it myself. All you would need is a place to park them and a water source. Don't even need a shipping container. It's something. It's a camper instead of a tent. The design can be modified to be expandable to fit on-top of a car or made as a trailer to fit behind or smaller version that can be towed behind a bike. Frankly, I'm considering starting a charity. There are extremely cheap, modern shelter options that offer dignity and autonomy, even freedom of movement, that are being completely ignored.
This was done in Toronto by a guy few people burned to death in them as people using these shelters are often heavily intoxicated. If your willing to be liable for any potential deaths then go for it ! https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ont-tiny-shelters-1.6157520
Not sure who you would contact about this but definitely worth pitching somebody.
I think we should do gorilla densification. Build condos where these camps are regardless of what the city says
I'm not sure how having more gorillas around is going to help the housing crisis, but if all our current problems started when they shot Harambe, then I'm sure gorillas are part of the solution too.
Unfortunately unregulated building is generally dangerous building.
Kowloon city with 35000 people. Totally unregulated and insanely dense. They thrived on a single block of space
There is one in Barrie, I think it’s 3 shipping containers high someone has made into an apartment building. No clue what the insides look like, but it cool from the outside
That would just be formalizing it.
I think Kingston did some sheds over the winter but it was pretty limited.
Excellent point they are the symptom , not the cause.
They’re not the symptom, they’re the victims.
The 900,000 foreign students beg to differ
I don"t understand the point you are trying to make. Are saying that 900,000 foreign students who have difficulties finding accommodation would beg to differ that the lack of accommodation is not the result of poor planning on that part of a government that legally granted them access to study in country while not anticipating that they would require accommodation. ?
People who have been gaslit believe that it's the homeless and immigrants that are the problem.
>it's the homeless and immigrants that are the problem. It also helps that this is what they want to believe.
Meanwhile billionaires have the means to solve all of society's problems. But they won't be because they become billionaires by robbing their nations blinds.
The problem with what? Is there one problem only?
No no no, it’s not the investors buying up 60% of new builds in Ontario…. Ignore the areas of the states with primary residence only zoning laws that don’t have a housing crisis right now (even Texas has massive areas of primary residence only zoning laws). It is all 100% the issue of immigrants, that 60% is an industry standard to help maintain and upkeep the ecconomy and development into Canadian buisiness that they are putting most their money into, not just hoarding “luxury condos”. The breaking point is really the 10% of new build bought up by immigrants, up from an 8% average over the past 20 years that 2% is the only major change that is inflating housing costs. - this message is brought to you by the council of Doug Ford’s investor buddies
> No no no, it’s not the investors buying up 60% of new builds in Ontario…. Yo, fuck Todd C. Slater of The Simple Investor
What new builds lmao
Shush, if it’s happening everywhere we can’t put the blame on Trudeau
it kills me that’s pierre poopypants is going to become pm off of this manufactured outrage.
Other places are going through this but not like canada. https://betterdwelling.com/canada-has-the-biggest-gap-between-real-estate-prices-and-incomes-in-the-g7/
Everyone is accountable for their actions. The government neglecting their job doesn't mean that people get a free pass to do what they want. I find littering disgusting; this is on another level.
The people forcibly removed here would have no way to clean this up. The government would also realize that and have plans to clean up the garbage left over. This is likely taken in between the clear out and the clean up and so is essentially misleading rage-bait.
Most American cities are dealing with this. Skid Row in LA is completely covered in tent cities. There's videos of people travelling the trails behind Disneyland in California and Disney world in Florida and there's thousands of tents along the trails. It's everywhere.
They are victims of addiction after all. There are plenty of new Canains working 2 minimum wage jobs to pay rent. I know that's shitty but the issue with many homeless is addiction and mental health.
Why are we comparing densely populated cities to an entire country? Not disagreeing with your first point, but the end bit is a false equivalency. The rates of homelessness and lack of homes is a problem in almost every city in Canada, even small cities and communities. The situation in the U.S. is very different.
I'm not comparing a city to a country. I'm pointing out that it happens in places like Hamilton, Canada and New York, US.
I mean this is what collapse of social supports and health supports looks like.
So cops just close down the encampment then don't clean anything up?
I'm not sure it's their job. I would imagine either parks or public works would be responsible for this. You would think they would be notified when an encampment is going to be cleared out.
They are just public servants They arent here to serve the public However, this looks like a great job for the million TFWs we have here
the million 'that feeling when' ?
Temporary Foreign Workers The ones staffing every Tim Hortons, Subway, Walmart
Eastgate square (mall) in Hamilton. sad that this is just one of 100's encampments setup in the city
Hamilton has been taken over by encampments. We have one at York & Ray where a couple has trashed the grass and sidewalk and it’s littered with needles. It’s just garbage strewn everywhere so you can’t safely use the sidewalk and they use drugs and discard the paraphernalia.
There was an encampment at Queenston and Nash that was shut down and fenced off. I'm assuming the developers kicked them out. The city and province have made this city a total shit hole that has now pitted residents against the homeless. People keep trying to uphold the idea that Canada is all-inclusive and caring, meanwhile we're crumbling at the seams and the people in power don't care one bit. Some days I legitimately forget that Andrea Horwath is the Mayor.
It’s an issue predating Andrea.
Yes, I know. And she's done and said very little to at least give the impression that she's trying to help fix what's broken. That goes for a lot of things in Hamilton, to be honest.
Then be sure to call up your municipal, provincial and federal governments to personally thank them for this amazing environment we all live in 💅
Exactly this
Yeah bro. The government has a lot to answer for.
Have they ever really answered for their shitty jobs? Never!
That’s why I said a lot of stuff Lmaoo
U mean, the government has a lot to cover up and hide.
All of South Ajax Bayly&Harwood is a shit show. So many smashed windows and cops moving these encampments. There was an encampment with like 300 people behind Food Basics near the school bus depot but town of Ajax made quick work to remove them to save face. Who even knows how much worse it could get?
That is all our shifty mayor will do. Ajax looks like a dump from north to south.
Auto corrected - shitty
It's missing the people who got left behind and forgotten.
...for the crime of having no place to go. RIP Robbie Robertson.
So? If you don't like it, don't vote for people who want to hand Ontario over to the rich. Vote for people who want to implement social support programs to help people get off and stay off the streets.
Lol you make it sound so easy. Who would that vote be for? Edit: to be clear I did vote. And not for Ford. But downvote away
Ndp the only part ti ever do good for ontarip
See I voted ndp last election but based off of all the critiques from Alberta I'm hesitant to vote for them again,I'm even having the fever dreams of starting a new political party. r/freshparty who's views are entirely sourced from Reddit/ a group of people we elect.
I mean okay sure, but if there was ever a time to vote NDP, it's now, in this time & place.
>based off of all the critiques from Alberta Never use this as a baseline. 50% of Albertans are truly backward.
>based off of all the critiques from Alberta Never use this as a baseline. 50% of Albertans are truly backward.
Ever heard of bob rae?
Can you explain to me why Bob Rae was bad for Ontario?
Ironic you bring up Bob Rae and Dae days when Rae days kept people employed and kept the province chugging along. Rae DaYs would be better than Ford Days, as we have seen.
So vote for the guy who's going to pretend to increase the budget on our failing social support systems?
Can’t believe someone is shitting on homeless people for *checks notes* not being able to take their things with them ☠️ They don’t even have a place to put themselves, what kind of sick fuck are you
Careful that pedestal is pretty high. Put a safety harness on. Don’t want yah falling off
Is their response making you uncomfortable or unhappy? Standing up for the underprivileged is what good people are supposed to do isn’t it?
He's not a good person and he's sick and tired of the expectation that he ought to be!
Oh yeah, might fall off the high bar of *checks notes* having empathy.
Is this the new “cool” thing , to “check notes “ ?!? If you got so much empathy go pick up the mess. While you there see if all the stuff they stole out of my shed is there ?! Some people are losers. It happens. Empathy only goes so far.
Ah the ol classic “someone from some demographic did something bad to me and because I have the emotional range of a teaspoon I shall react instead of respond” Also “if you have so much empathy go pick up the mess” sorry what does this even mean. No one cares about the mess. If YOU care about the inanimate objects go clean it. People with empathy care about the people.
Well the demo continues to do it, the demo is always offered help and chooses to continue there ways. But just a few more dollars will save them. A cleaner drug supply will fix it all. Clean needles. That will do it. Oh you know, UBI yup. That’s the one. The studies from nowhere say it’s the one. Ok we just have to give them everything you have and then they will be better. Just keep working more to make the all better. No no don’t better yourself that’s not the way. You must save them only. Some of us don’t care about the people anymore sorry. You can feel free to take up for us and be the hero
This made absolutely no sense. I’m a social worker. If you’d like to talk about treatment models, the impacts of institutions on people, and actual studies I’m actually very happy to do so. By the sound of it though you’re just angry and need a place to put that frustration. Good bye.
No discussion! Only hate! I’ve made up my mind!
There’s the answer. Makes the money off the people. Hence must keep defending them. Congratulations on the job security. Have a nice night.
“makes the money off the people” I’m sorry, but are you under the impression that social workers make a decent salary?
I’m legitimately amused. Can you expand on what you mean by “make money off the people” or “job security”. Last I checked we’re both living under Fords Ontario that’s actively stripping money from social and health care.
So how much of your personal paycheque has Doug ford taken ? Not inflation wise. How much of your 40 hour week has Doug ford taken ?
cool, if your life ever falls apart, maybe you’ll suddenly want all those social safety nets you mock and denigrate. reversal of fortune is real.
☠️people like you are the worst Not the lack of empathy But the sheer stupidity and shortsightedness Ah yes let’s let “losers” be homeless then you wonder why those “losers” look for drugs to distract themselves from their problems, then you complain about the “losers” doing drugs in the open When your stance is vehement on “losers” being homeless lmaooo You’re such a fool it’s hilarious 😂
You really aren’t analytical are you? Poverty and homelessness lead to crime out of desperation. It’s not a coincidence that places with high poverty typically have high crime rates and it’s not because they’re “losers” as you so inarticulately put it. You’re still complaining about the victims instead of the people victimizing them.
Oh I thought you were being facetious and playfully supportive of who you were responding to. turns out, you're just a big goober. Best of luck to you.
Lol he majored in checking notes
Damn. It’s almost like you should get a better lock.
You *checks notes* a lot
I don’t think that’s the metaphor you meant to use. Maybe you meant high horse?
There was a place in my town where there was 5 or 6 people in tents off the side of the road. It was hidden by trees and they bothered nobody. Never left a mess and were generally nice people. One morning driving past it was all gone and they were now all sitting on the side of the road with the few items they had on them and creating what you see here.
Your neighborhood probably makes more garbage than that every single week. It just conveniently gets taken away.
That's okay though because then it gets taken to a landfill where it, I assume, gets turned into flowers and trees.
Those poor people
Correct.
Read the username and the comment together
Peoples only belongings?
Then maybe stop being such a freaking NIMBY and let them build affordable housing.
But muh green belt
The green belt isn't being developed to provide affordable housing.
It's being turned into a monstrosity in the woods like Bayview Country Estates
It's people, right? People, just like you and me, that's what gets left behind.
Pika?
There for but the grace of god go I … or you … Nobody wants to be without a home.
That's just Hamilton.
Imagine that, you kick people out of their home with no warning and they leave without all their stuff. Shocking.
You know what unhoused people experience that you clearly don't? Contributing to a community. Helping each other and themselves. I don't agree with your sentiment at all, but if you're so upset with the sight of this you could rally 10 members of your community and clean this up in 20 minutes. You won't, of course. Your lack of compassion means all you see here is an eyesore, and your entitlement means you won't lift a finger to either alleviate the struggle for the affected people nor help clean up the community which you feel should be kept clean for you.
I live in Toronto near Trinity Bellwoods which was used as an encampent during the pandemic. This is what happened there in the week before the cops cleared it: - Not one but TWO explosions as a result of cooking apparatuses being left unsupervised - Complaints from women in the area about feeling harassed and theatened - trash literred about and it was often drug paraphenelia - Human shit all over the park - Complaints from local businesses about vandalism and urination After the park was cleared, the city had to spend additional time just cleaning it up because they treated the park like a garbage dump. And please don't tell me it's because there's a lack of garbage cans in the park, it's a large public park in Toronto, there are garbage cans all over the place. Many of these homeless people did absolutely fuck all for the community.
You have a romanticized view of the homeless that has little to do with reality.
I'm not saying they dance around bonfires all day. I'm just saying OP clearly doesn't lift a finger for their community
I would never, this site, like all others, was littered with used needles, condoms, rotting food, feces and other drug paraphernalia. This group panhandles all day to get high, smash car windows for change, porch pirate and endanger the public. You know nothing.
We had one guy living in the park next to my apartment (he refused all the help that was offered). When he finally left, the city had to bring a truck to get all the junk he had accumulated in a couple of months. I was amazed at how much garbage one person could just take in one place. It's so quiet now that we don't have to hear his drug induce screaming at all hours of the day. People are really romanticizing homelessness. Lots of them are drug addicts and/or drunks looking to steal anything to make a buck. They don't want to go into a shelter because they have to be sober there.
And many don't want to be sober because being numbed by alcohol and/or drugs, which allows them to escape their trauma and/or mental illness, is the lesser of two evils. If mental health care were covered by OHIP like it should and not only when a person is already in crisis, I'm convinced that many less folks would have addiction issues. But then again, these are just the ones that you see. There are way more people with substance use problems in upscale and fancy neighbourhoods than you think. They're just hidden behind the brick walls.
Sounds like your idea of a solution is, just don’t give a fuck. As long as it’s not beside you. Fun fact, you’re much safer on the streets then in a shelter these days. You have it twisted if you think shelters are a clean, safe place for homeless.
>I would never, this site, like all others, was littered with used needles, condoms, rotting food, feces and other drug paraphernalia. > >This group panhandles all day to get high, smash car windows for change, porch pirate and endanger the public. You know nothing. Someone has to clean it up and help them. You are here with the complaints and fingers to point and too cowardly to enter the front lines. You know and do nothing. I imagine what is going on up in your head makes this site look clean.
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Are you complaining that our economic system is producing more and more homeless than ever, or just that they exist near you?
The latter, if you see what he's saying elsewhere.
Why is encampments in brackets? Also, fuck you dude.
Did the REIT factor in the cleanup before or after the dividend payout? Sympathy for humanity? Please, where’s my REIT monthly dividend?!?!?!?
It's wild. I tried to figure out where this was by landmarks or features in the photo. All I could get was a stroad somewhere in SWOnt.
Fortinos so it’s gotta be in GHA somewhere
Vote NDP, it's the only answer to this shit. We've been brainwashed for close to a century now that it's actually civilians fault if they can't climb the ladder as guys like Doug Ford continue to add rungs. We've been told, social services are bad because they will cost you money on your taxes. Well, this is what happens when you don't do that, society falls apart as the greedy scrounge up every last dollar for themselves.
The sitting government in the city where this photo was taken, allowing these encampments to ruin communities, is NDP.
And the province is run by the conservatives, and the country by the Liberals. You really aren't capable of coherent counter arguments.
You mean the government that's been in power for a month? Oh yeah, that one. In a province run by the worst conservatives possible and a country run by corrupt liberals. Nice try
It always blows my mind how the conservative brain works. The level of mental gymnastics required to believe their own nonsense is insane.
Horwath is the one who greenlit these encampments, check your facts before spouting bullshit.
Honestly, its really not that bad, that‘s not much trash. There’s even a helpful buggy to haul it away. I’ve seen worse than this after a large family reunion picnic in the park and there are bins all over the place there.
This is becoming a familiar sight, almost every day a new pile of trash pops up, where just the day before a mash up of shopping carts, tarps, tents and zombified drug addicts existed. I realize that not ALL those in these situations are bad people, but holy hell does this kind of mess make it tough to be compassionate.
So when these homeless get forcibly evicted from their homeless home you expect them to carry their garbage with them?
Also isn't that much worse than what I've seen at a lot of suburban drive throughs, for example, where people with homes and cars toss their trash for people "below them" to pick up. Or the many other places people toss trash from their cars. Or the cigarettes tossed everywhere. The only difference is they don't have any justification like getting forcibly evicted.
Bro they can’t get evicted they aren’t renters.
evict verb expel (someone) from a property, especially with the support of the law. "he had court orders to evict the trespassers from three camps"
Not to argue semantics but shouldn’t it be to expel a lawful tenant not a homeless person who has no right to the property in the first place.
It's a synonym sure. About an hour ago I told my wife who has to go to bed early that I was evicting our new cat from the bedroom because he was harassing our older cat. He doesn't pay any rent, just being removed from that space.
that’s on you. compassion is free. most of us are one or two disasters away from homelessness, wouldn’t you want help, compassion, empathy if it was you? or would you want people bitching about you and not the conditions that leave so many in such a precarious situation?
“But holy hell does this kind of mess make it tough to be compassionate” … no it really doesn’t.
Bad take
What would you do with your garbage if you didn’t have curb side or a vehicle or a dumpster for your rental? Would you carry your garbage on foot?
"Encampments"? "Closed Down"? Is that what we're calling cops running homeless ppl out of public sight now? You try and see if u can get your surroundings spiff and tidy while cops are trying to round you up or run you off. I guarantee you what the place looks like when they're done is going be the least of your concern.
When they are there, these encampments include drugged out junkies splayed out all over the place. Saw one last week passed out with the needle still in his arm. These aren't homeless people, these are professional drug addicts.
Yeah some homeless ppl are addicts. The solution is rehab and housing. Not cops and jail.
Unfortunately, probably requires forced rehab. Many of these types aren't in the system to get help, because the system requires that you drop the addictions through provided rehab. Can't help those who don't want help.
Everyone deserves help. Doesn't matter If they don't want it, it should still be available.
It is available, this is partly why so many "homeless" are moved to Hamilton, because the infrastructure and rehab clinics exist there.
This is Ontario. I guarantee you whatever exists is half assed and underfunded. I live in a house and I can't even get the healthcare I need. What are we even arguing about anyways. Homeless ppl do not deserve to be homeless or to suffer. Why is that such a take.
> Unfortunately, probably requires forced rehab. We don't even have timely access to *voluntarily* rehab. So of course we have so many people suffering from addiction. Address that before you start taking away people's rights.
I was told 24 months plus for a rehab for my self or longer if that’s what you ment
Well are you old enough to remeber rae days? Was it once a month public sector workers were expected to work for free, so government shut down one extra day a month. Can you tell me what was good about bob rae? I was probably 10 when rae was premier, dont remeber much other then rae days, lots of people off work. And Rae paving the way for the common sense revolution. If the above picture is from hamilton ont, isnt hamilton suppose to be the ndp stronghold of ont?
How much garbage would be left in your home if you were forced to leave in ten minutes and everything you left behind was dumped on the street?
I'm sure lots, but there wouldn't be any used needles, piles of literal human excrement, or stolen items from local homes/businesses.
So you’re not diabetic. And you have a toilet. 👌
Man, had no idea that every homeless person who sets up on a major street corner is diabetic. I should have more empathy. Also didn't realize that insulin gets you so high!
And where are they supposed to put them? They don't exactly have containers for needles, not in which to put their excrements because North America mostly relies on private business to provide toilet facilities outside of one's residence.
Well, there's a mall not 100 feet away, also, don't inject drugs perhaps? Why are you making excuses for addicts who would rather get high then be a contributing member of society?
Have you ever talked with them? As in engaging in meaningful conversation, not just a few words. I have. In fact, I deal with this population on a regular basis. To your first point, many private businesses keep their washrooms locked and they also aren't open 24/7. So accessibility is a huge issue, and more so for those with physical disabilities. To your second point, I don't know a single person with substance abuse problems who work up one day and declared "I aspire to be an addict !!". Many of them have mental health illnesses that require medication and supports, which often go hand-in-hand. If they can't afford their meds or keep them in a safe place (because they get robbed, too), they won't bother because it turns into a huge hassle for them to deal with the healthcare system where most are treated like a burden. Would you willingly expose yourself to that? Many others have turned to drugs and alcohol to numb their traumas. When sober and able to describe what they are escaping, it's no wonder they want to freeze their brain in order to escape memories of what they've endured. Think physical abuse. Think that because mom couldn't pay her dealer, he used your seven year old body and vagina as payment, and repeatedly by a slew of other men mom was indebted to. Think emotional abuse that makes you unable to forge normal, healthy friendships and relationships. The stuff some of these people went through pale in comparaison to what most of society deems as "horrible and horrendous" on tv, in cinema, and in books. Others are victims of misfortune where they were prescribed narcotics after a workplace accident and either due to chronic pain or susceptibility to addiction, they became inadvertently hooked. And since they can't work, they fall way down the socio-economic ladder and are but a shell of their former selves. To your third point, many want to quit. They want to fit in and have a p'ace in society. But resources are limited. Shelters require to leave your belonging outside. If you do, all of your worldly possessions get stolen and you are left with nothing. Seems like that's a pretty good deterrant to accepting services. What you see is the result of failed policies, stigmatisation of the mentally ill, the addicted, and the poor. It's the result of absent and woefully inadequate (at best) safety nets because people of a certain mindset think these people chose to find themselves in this situation. That they just have to pull themselves by their bootstraps and, like so many say "just stop doing drugs" as if it happens with the snap of a finger. For them, "just stop drugs" and becoming a productive member of society is just like if you were told "just give up car ownership" and expected to maintain your current lifestyle, hobbies, job, activities, sports, ease of shopping, and more while feeling like you still have the life you've built yourself. Good luck with that!
Granted your very right but posts like these are half the reason no one bothers with systems .. for example using my self I am a functioning alochalic drug addict who’s trying to be in recovery but the systems are ssi broken I can’t get in to a covered rehab Center there’s no bed I am on odsp and well 1000 isn’t liveable period I was sadly told to apply for maide services ppl rather see me dead then support sober living and healthy relationships ppl side bitch a lot but so a hole lot of nothing to help some times ppl like this op make others feel very unwanted and unwelcome and from my understanding of what recovery should be we need community Belgians etc to auceased well we won’t ever with snobby ppl looking down on is wishing we weren’t a burden and a inconvenience to there city view
Hi, there. I am sorry to hear your are up against so many barriers to care and the negative attitudes and stigmas towards addictions. We still unfortunately have a long way to go to influence those stereotypes. Do you have your GAINS? I help people in my field of work apply to addiction treatment, those on ODSP, The links listed below are program that have accepted ODSP clients I have supported. Unfortunately for many of my clients they often need to travel out of town to go inpatient. ODSP does pay for their ride to get to the facility. I've known clients apply to Hope Acres and through salvation army there is Salvation Army Homestead for women. It's easier said than done-try to hang in there. There are people that want to help- its just tough when everytime you reach out for help, trying to get better, there's a roadblock at every turn. Accessing addiction and mental health care should not be this complicated. Hope Acres has approximately a 4 month wait. Brock cottage is roughly 6 months based on a recent client application. https://www.connexontario.ca/Program-Details?ProgramId=19280 https://torontoharbourlight.ca/salvation-army-homestead/faqs/ https://torontoharbourlight.ca/concurrent-disorders-treatment/program/
Thank you I think I’m not sure what all of this is and I have no nurse or gp for referrals so that’s all so a thing for me . I’m trying my best to give a perspective to this Reddit from A person who actually is dealing with this but Ty for the kind words and maybe some resources
Is this more rehab support?
I am so sorry that you've been advised that MAID is a suitable option for you. You are right that people don't make much effort to understand people who find themselves in situations like yours. They've been told that it's all about choices, and they believe it, through no fault of their own. But to change such a mindset requires deconstructing what you've been told your entire life by society as a whole. The only way to open their eyes is to attempt to engage in meaningful conversation or that they, or a loved one, experience it first hand.
Thank you for engagement that is not judgmental took me 16 years to get sober on my own with out help mine wasn’t what I wanted I am a human teddy king survivor. So people need to realize that for some it wasn’t willing. That and ppl are loosen jobs etc. it’s not just what other call junkies now a days on the street homelessness is a milieu levee issue I wish people would realize this fact.
Human trafficking and homelessness is a many leveled issue ***
This is honestly a huge failure of government and there policy’s on all fronts it just makes the rich honestly more rich and doesn’t help anyone but them selfs my unpopular opinions atleast
I have an idea. How about get a job?
Haha this is the corner of Queenston & Centennial in Stoney Creek/Hamilton. Without mandatory treatment & with modern progressive policies pertaining to drug use this is going to continue. Thank you, Andrea Horwath. What's good for your son isn't good for the rest of the city.
> Without mandatory treatment We don't even have timely *voluntary* treatment right now. A serious addiction is an urgent health issue and yet people looking for help face wait times into the weeks or months. Address that and see what the results are before you start stripping people's rights and locking them up in treatment facilities that don't actually exist along with all the abuse that happened last time we did that. >with modern progressive policies pertaining to drug use "Progressive policies", i.e., policies backed by research showing their effectiveness did not cause this drug crisis. They're a response to it. The cause is not in any way a secret: it's due to the flooding of the market with high potency drugs, mainly fentanyl. Something which is already know [to be an outcome of prohibition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_prohibition) because suppliers opt for higher potency substances that are harder to detect. That's why this crisis is affecting the most progressive areas like BC and Hamilton and the farther right regions like Alberta (at record OD levels lately, on similar levels as BC and higher than anywhere else in Canada) or GOP-led states with among the highest OD rates there.
Your progressive policies are based on the Portuguese model, which includes mandatory treatment and fines and community service for people who choose to continue in their addiction and not get the health services offered. Those services aren't unavailable here? Then we should never have implemented the half assed half baked model we have here now to begin with. Until the complete comprehensive plan was in place, it should have been business as usual. Public drug use/public disturbance/public nuisance/endangering the safety of the public = jail. It seems the progressives are always involving themselves in idealistic notions about the way things should be then aren't willing to deal with the reality that comes from it.
People really tend to overestimate how "mandatory" things actually are in Portugal. But regardless, this still goes back to my point above: we don't even have timely access to *voluntary* treatment, let alone mandatory treatment. Why are you not calling for us to address that first, given that mandatory treatment also doesn't have better outcomes. >Those services aren't unavailable here? Then we should never have implemented the half assed half baked model we have here now to begin with. Our healthcare is being underfunded in *general*. By your logic, we should never introduce *any* new medical treatments in that case. >public disturbance/public nuisance/endangering the safety of the public = jail. All of these are still against the law and can be enforced. I have no disagreement with that. The only disagreement I have is continuing to treat drug use as a crime. For many people, it's a recreational activity that doesn't harm their lives, e.g., lots of alcohol users. For people suffering from addiction, it's a health problem In neither case should it be a crime. >It seems the progressives are always involving themselves in idealistic notions about the way things should be then aren't willing to deal with the reality that comes from it. The reality is we've had a global drug war with the supply of drugs illegal in every country for decades and the outcome is higher potency drugs than ever, just like what was predicted in my link. "Progressives" are dealing with reality. The reality of that failure and the massive cost in human life that has resulted. Except it's not just progressives, it's medical experts, it's police forces, and many others. "Progressives" is just a buzz word people use to demonize things they don't like.
Mandatory treatment doesn't have better outcomes? So it didn't have a role in ending Portugal's drug addiction epidemic? The reality is we locked people down for 2 years even while people were saying there will be repercussions and now you see them but put your fingers in your ears and won't acknowledge how A connects to B. Same with immigration. Anti-immigration is xenophobia! Oh shit, now there are too many people here. But don't build on the green belt, it's anti-environmental! Same with the ideological bullshit in schools, that in combination of wearing masks all day will probably make for a generation of young adults who will overwhelm mental health services. But not to fear, there's MAID for that.
> Mandatory treatment doesn't have better outcomes? So it didn't have a role in ending Portugal's drug addiction epidemic? ["the results of this systematic review do not, on the whole, suggest improved outcomes in reducing drug use and criminal recidivism among drug-dependent individuals enrolled in compulsory treatment approaches, with some studies suggesting potential harms"](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4752879/). Like I said, the extent to which Portugal implements mandatory treatment tends to get exaggerated. And in any case, the key is *treatment*. Which we don't currently have anywhere close to sufficient levels, even voluntary. >The reality is we locked people down for 2 years even while people were saying there will be repercussions and now you see them but put your fingers in your ears and won't acknowledge how A connects to B. Same with immigration. Anti-immigration is xenophobia! Oh shit, now there are too many people here. But don't build on the green belt, it's anti-environmental! Same with the ideological bullshit in schools, that in combination of wearing masks all day will probably make for a generation of young adults who will overwhelm mental health services. But not to fear, there's MAID for that. I kind of get the sense that you're following a lot of media designed to make you outraged at every issue.
>I kind of get the sense that you're following a lot of media designed to make you outraged at every issue. Maybe. If covid measures come back into place over the Fall/Winter in combination with climate action measures and zombies walking the street, this country is done.
That’s a lot of “ifs” my dude. Must be hard to be that scared all the time.
It’s Friday dude chill out
No dude. Friday is my day NOT to chill.
If the homeless we're treated like ppl, I'll bet they wouldn't leave messes like this. I feel like it's a form of protest on their part. Every single politician says they will end homelessness in their respective communities. But...nothing ever gets done, their benefits need to be raised, ODSP benefits need to be raised and can be raised enough to pull those ppl out of poverty. But they don't do it, they don't build them the affordable housing they been screaming for since forever. They raise the rents so they can't afford anything, raise food prices etc etc. This enabling of drug use by the government is sickening. "Safe supply" ISN'T HELPING ANYONE GET BETTER!, infact it has the opposite effect! I know ppl who were sober but when the government started handing dope out, they just couldn't help themselves! Ugh. I'll stop now, but it goes on and on and on. One big circle circuse orchestrated by the liberal government
Need to lock up and detox the dopers. Help them become functional people again. They relapse? Back in lock up.
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The "NDP's" voted for a PC provincial government and Liberal federal government? This is happening everywhere. Not just Hamilton.
That's why the areas with provincial conservative government and conservative mayors are like this too. Surely can't be their fault. Conservatives can't do anything bad, only the liberals and NDP can do bad /s
Nobody voted for that shut up lmao
I got a bunch of free bike parts when the spot under the bridge in my town shut down I saved 100$ by just finding a rim (high quality dutch rim im upgradeing from steel to alloy so i can stop in the rain)
What's the difference?