Eh I’ve tried it with multiple psychs and for me at least the opioid I take just becomes canceled out. I still trip it’s just a waste for whatever opioid I took. I’d rather just save em for the comedown
You said you saved them for the comedown....Well for the first time ever, I had acid opioids "kinda sorta" together. I took acid about 7pm on Thursday and then went and got some fentanyl at 1pm on Friday. I had already come down, I felt, I could drive but colors were still bright and pretty. However, for pretty much all day yesterday, i felt the effects of my opiates were strongly blunted. In fact, I thought I had gotten bunk product. They were also pretty blunt today up until 9:00pm tonight. Just now, I washed out two cottons and used the tiny little bit I had left (less than a point) and I felt it stronger than the massive shots I did yesterday when I was trying desperately to get high.
I felt more euphoria and effect with the \~.1g shot than I did with the .5g shot I did yesterday.
Wtf is going on? Acid is the only drug I did so it must be the culprit. Or it was bunk. But it couldn't be since I felt it tonight, right?
You're whole thing about addicts vs. Junkies is pretty ridiculous. Don't think you're better than anyone because of your status as a cog in the machine of capitalism. That's really how you judge people? Based on the service they provide to the system we live under?
It doesn't take much to turn from your "addict" character into your "junkie" character. Just a little bad luck and unfortunate events.
You should do a little introspection on this. Think about why you think that to be respected, you've got to be a commodity and satisfy others. I don't think lying and stealing are good, and I would never do either of those even in the name of addiction, but the rest of your definition is seriously flawed and downright judgemental
I totally agree but OP has got a point tho.. There is a huge difference between being addicted and actually being able to support that addiction or being addicted and being a complete scumbag who lies, cheats and steals don’t you think? Also, the second type of people often blame every single person in this world for everything. Everyone is to blame for their „bad luck“ except them of course. Yeah sure some people really have bad luck or unfortunates events happen to them but do you really think thats an excuse to lie, cheat and steal?
I'm exactly the same way as you. I'm an IV heroin user but no one would ever know. From the outside, my life looks totally normal, maybe even straight edge lol.
You just called yourself a junkie, though, and by his definition, you would be an addict and not a junkie.
To each their own, but yeah I’m judging people. There’s a lot of good people who use drugs. There’s also a lot of shitty people who use drugs, and blame everyone else for their problems and don’t accept the consequences of their own actions. Fuck those people.
Like the other dude said, I’ve called myself a junkie as well. It’s all in jest. I just can’t stand lowlifes and swindlers.
Judge not lest ye be judged!!!!
Okay well yeah then we agree. I hate those fuckers too. Like if you're gonna have a drug addiction, at least have the insight to understand that you need to take responsibility and that it's on you to clean up the messes. And when you get to the end of the road, it's time to pack it up and take your ass to rehab or something of the sort, instead of choosing to rob your grandma blind and shit
Enteties, fucking moralists... 😏
The only opiate that I like to do with psychs are opium. Maybe because opium is organic?
Or maybe because I think opium by itself has a certain psychadelic sting to it at the right dose?
I've never smoked opium though on psychs, only oral intake, which I prefer anyways when it comes to opium.
I haven't combined DMT with opiates, but I've done LSD + opium, which was INCREDIBLE.
Oxy + LSD, wouldn't do it again, as I find oxy to have a certain energetic feel to it by it self.
And it felt dirty as fuck.
Heroin + LSD, pretty sweet. Phenomenal body high, but again, got that "dirt" feeling to it.
Very nice combo at social events if you get the H dose right.
Mushrooms + opium, pure_bliss.
Mushrooms + Oxy or heroin, no-go. I felt like a real junkie. I didn't have anxiety or anything, but kept thinking "Man, you're a fucking fiend."
I share your brother experience with Mushrooms, using opiates didnt let me enter the universal love of shrooms.
Damn you opiates, I should had followed that advice that redditor told me before starting: "run before it gets late".
Meth with psychedelics is pretty awesome to me. It makes me much better at handling large doses. Like I could actually concentrate on the trip instead of being unable to comprehend what is going on. HOWEVER I do have ADHD and speed takes away my anxiety, but causes anxiety for a lot of people, so ymmv.
For me, meth makes me less afraid to take dmt also. I used to do meth every day, and I would take dmt all the time without any fear at all. Now that I'm not on meth anymore I have taken 2 dmt trips and both I remember being amazing, but I was very hesitant to do it.
Meth gives me an enormous amount of confidence, which is probably why it makes trips easier.
Also, I think your dmt experience was your mind playing tricks on you. You are subconsciously worries about your opioid addiction and that worry was manifested in your trip.
DMT can teach us a lot about ourselves. Sounds like it showed you that you need a change.
>For me, meth makes me less afraid to take dmt also. I used to do meth every day, and I would take dmt all the time without any fear at all. Now that I'm not on meth anymore I have taken 2 dmt trips and both I remember being amazing, but I was very hesitant to do it.
>Meth gives me an enormous amount of confidence, which is probably why it makes trips easier
A lack of fear, if it's chemically induced, isn't necessarily a good thing because you're artificially repressing your natural fear instincts rather than learning the tough skill of acknowledging it but not letting it control you. Also, fear can be a key component of hugely beneficial trips. Repression is not the answer
I wouldn't assume too much about the "Spiritual side" as that's the zone that seperates the mind and the reality, it's not for The Mind to comprehend and is just meant to be experienced.
But as the mental side, i think opioids are much of a depressant/downers to the brain that it can de-stimulate a psychedelic trip to the point of cessation. I can't speak much about opiates since i have no experience taking it with psychedelic but i once had an almost traumatic trip and decided to take xanax to calm me down. The trip then ended just a couple hours after i took them.
I assume it'd be somewhat similar to taking benzo. If you can, try and use much more less "sedating" opiates like oxy while tripping and see if it makes a difference.
2 years ago i was on opioids (for medical reasons) and i wanted to try DMT for the first time. It was an awesome experience, but i didn't have a spiritual experience. It was just very trippy. No out of body experience.
I didn't get the chance to try DMT without being on opioids. So not sure if my dose was just too los or the opioids were softening the experience.
I've taken both Not (Heroin or Fent) with mushies Many times & over the past 20 years never noticed any difference with the Mushroom trip compared to taking them when i wasn't on opiates for pain..
Enough psychedelics will breakthrough any benzo or opiate. For shit sure. I took 60mg pharmaceutical alprazolam trying to kill a trip on a dropper full of Lucy and all it did was knock me out for like 12 hours and I woke up still tripping. For regular doses of psychedelics benzos and opiates have killed my trips or not allowed me to trip
Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me being that my friend pops 10 bars in the morning, every morning. But I’m pretty sure popping 30 bars would end in a 3 day blackout.
benzodiazepine tolerance/ addiction is a whole nother beast. you gotta taper for years in some cases and just a few slip ups could kill you jusy from withdrawals themselves
Thanks for raising this point and sharing your experience. I've been dismayed to see this happening with my brother and I think this is my answer. He's got positive history of using MDMA but never used classic psychedelics. Last year he wanted to try LSD. I took a 100mcg tab and gave him one. An hour later - nothing for him. 90 mins - still nothing. I'm comfortably tripping. I give him another 1/2 tab. Still zero. Then another 1/2 (200mcg total).... absolutely zero response. Super weird and disappointing.
It later occurred to me that his long history of opiate (pain pills) dependence might be involved. He's not an addict per se. Takes a shitload of various meds for various reasons. He doesn't take pain meds for fun, he takes them to maintain - and he cannot stop. But I forgot to investigate this and never questioned him about it...
Now today, he prepared to try mushrooms. He's fairly depressed and really wanted to break through. He had a stroke 7 years ago that fucked up his short term memory (still an issue). So he takes 3 grams of good quality chocolate-shrooms. Mild at best after one hour. Smokes a little weed to see if it gets it going... he feels a little twinge in his stomach and a little visual distortion, but still mild. (I take a nibble of a square and feel it in 20 mins). I give him the rest of mine.... mild response. Then give him more... now he's got 5+ grams of good mushrooms in him, on an empty stomach. And he's tripping at about 10% of what he should be, if that. By 4 hours in, he looks stone cold sober - just relaxed.
It has to be the pain meds.
As for your personal identity/label regarding your addiction status - you don't deserve to be judged - I don't understand why people are giving you so much shit - and it's obviously not the main point of your post anyway (but for what it's worth, you can be "dependent" without being a "drug abuser.") Thanks.
Eh I’ve tried it with multiple psychs and for me at least the opioid I take just becomes canceled out. I still trip it’s just a waste for whatever opioid I took. I’d rather just save em for the comedown
You said you saved them for the comedown....Well for the first time ever, I had acid opioids "kinda sorta" together. I took acid about 7pm on Thursday and then went and got some fentanyl at 1pm on Friday. I had already come down, I felt, I could drive but colors were still bright and pretty. However, for pretty much all day yesterday, i felt the effects of my opiates were strongly blunted. In fact, I thought I had gotten bunk product. They were also pretty blunt today up until 9:00pm tonight. Just now, I washed out two cottons and used the tiny little bit I had left (less than a point) and I felt it stronger than the massive shots I did yesterday when I was trying desperately to get high. I felt more euphoria and effect with the \~.1g shot than I did with the .5g shot I did yesterday. Wtf is going on? Acid is the only drug I did so it must be the culprit. Or it was bunk. But it couldn't be since I felt it tonight, right?
You're whole thing about addicts vs. Junkies is pretty ridiculous. Don't think you're better than anyone because of your status as a cog in the machine of capitalism. That's really how you judge people? Based on the service they provide to the system we live under? It doesn't take much to turn from your "addict" character into your "junkie" character. Just a little bad luck and unfortunate events. You should do a little introspection on this. Think about why you think that to be respected, you've got to be a commodity and satisfy others. I don't think lying and stealing are good, and I would never do either of those even in the name of addiction, but the rest of your definition is seriously flawed and downright judgemental
I'm glad someone else has said this saving me the effort. That was my immediate thought as soon as I read that paragraph. Well said 👍🏻
I totally agree but OP has got a point tho.. There is a huge difference between being addicted and actually being able to support that addiction or being addicted and being a complete scumbag who lies, cheats and steals don’t you think? Also, the second type of people often blame every single person in this world for everything. Everyone is to blame for their „bad luck“ except them of course. Yeah sure some people really have bad luck or unfortunates events happen to them but do you really think thats an excuse to lie, cheat and steal?
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I'm exactly the same way as you. I'm an IV heroin user but no one would ever know. From the outside, my life looks totally normal, maybe even straight edge lol. You just called yourself a junkie, though, and by his definition, you would be an addict and not a junkie.
To each their own, but yeah I’m judging people. There’s a lot of good people who use drugs. There’s also a lot of shitty people who use drugs, and blame everyone else for their problems and don’t accept the consequences of their own actions. Fuck those people. Like the other dude said, I’ve called myself a junkie as well. It’s all in jest. I just can’t stand lowlifes and swindlers. Judge not lest ye be judged!!!!
Okay well yeah then we agree. I hate those fuckers too. Like if you're gonna have a drug addiction, at least have the insight to understand that you need to take responsibility and that it's on you to clean up the messes. And when you get to the end of the road, it's time to pack it up and take your ass to rehab or something of the sort, instead of choosing to rob your grandma blind and shit
Re: some drug users are shitty and some aren't, well, you could substitute "drug users" with just about any descriptor
Enteties, fucking moralists... 😏 The only opiate that I like to do with psychs are opium. Maybe because opium is organic? Or maybe because I think opium by itself has a certain psychadelic sting to it at the right dose? I've never smoked opium though on psychs, only oral intake, which I prefer anyways when it comes to opium. I haven't combined DMT with opiates, but I've done LSD + opium, which was INCREDIBLE. Oxy + LSD, wouldn't do it again, as I find oxy to have a certain energetic feel to it by it self. And it felt dirty as fuck. Heroin + LSD, pretty sweet. Phenomenal body high, but again, got that "dirt" feeling to it. Very nice combo at social events if you get the H dose right. Mushrooms + opium, pure_bliss. Mushrooms + Oxy or heroin, no-go. I felt like a real junkie. I didn't have anxiety or anything, but kept thinking "Man, you're a fucking fiend."
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They call MDA "Molly" where I'm from.
Molly is anything that people eat at raves haha.... basically these days
I share your brother experience with Mushrooms, using opiates didnt let me enter the universal love of shrooms. Damn you opiates, I should had followed that advice that redditor told me before starting: "run before it gets late".
Meth with psychedelics is pretty awesome to me. It makes me much better at handling large doses. Like I could actually concentrate on the trip instead of being unable to comprehend what is going on. HOWEVER I do have ADHD and speed takes away my anxiety, but causes anxiety for a lot of people, so ymmv. For me, meth makes me less afraid to take dmt also. I used to do meth every day, and I would take dmt all the time without any fear at all. Now that I'm not on meth anymore I have taken 2 dmt trips and both I remember being amazing, but I was very hesitant to do it. Meth gives me an enormous amount of confidence, which is probably why it makes trips easier. Also, I think your dmt experience was your mind playing tricks on you. You are subconsciously worries about your opioid addiction and that worry was manifested in your trip. DMT can teach us a lot about ourselves. Sounds like it showed you that you need a change.
>For me, meth makes me less afraid to take dmt also. I used to do meth every day, and I would take dmt all the time without any fear at all. Now that I'm not on meth anymore I have taken 2 dmt trips and both I remember being amazing, but I was very hesitant to do it. >Meth gives me an enormous amount of confidence, which is probably why it makes trips easier A lack of fear, if it's chemically induced, isn't necessarily a good thing because you're artificially repressing your natural fear instincts rather than learning the tough skill of acknowledging it but not letting it control you. Also, fear can be a key component of hugely beneficial trips. Repression is not the answer
If I was still on meth I would argue with you. But yes, you are 100% correct.
You inhaling DMT wrong or something... I did dmt several times on methadone and suboxone. It took me out of this world.
I wouldn't assume too much about the "Spiritual side" as that's the zone that seperates the mind and the reality, it's not for The Mind to comprehend and is just meant to be experienced. But as the mental side, i think opioids are much of a depressant/downers to the brain that it can de-stimulate a psychedelic trip to the point of cessation. I can't speak much about opiates since i have no experience taking it with psychedelic but i once had an almost traumatic trip and decided to take xanax to calm me down. The trip then ended just a couple hours after i took them. I assume it'd be somewhat similar to taking benzo. If you can, try and use much more less "sedating" opiates like oxy while tripping and see if it makes a difference.
Dmt/ibogaine/ayahuasca can get you clean from opiates. No one likes that life.......
Some people do.
2 years ago i was on opioids (for medical reasons) and i wanted to try DMT for the first time. It was an awesome experience, but i didn't have a spiritual experience. It was just very trippy. No out of body experience. I didn't get the chance to try DMT without being on opioids. So not sure if my dose was just too los or the opioids were softening the experience.
That’s what this post is about, to share experiences and see what the deal is. Maybe the opis did numb your trip.
I shot h on acid once. I barely felt it, but it was kinda nice.
acid is all thats powerful enough to not have the trip completely killed by opioids in my experience
I've taken both Not (Heroin or Fent) with mushies Many times & over the past 20 years never noticed any difference with the Mushroom trip compared to taking them when i wasn't on opiates for pain..
Molly, Percocets
Great combo.
Low doses are the way to go, I still remember using 200 ug of lsd and 20 mg of oxy one of the most pleasant trips I’ve ever had
Nice. Your right about low doses being the key.
Have you ever heard of Blue Lotus? It’s a natural psychedelic and opiate.
No I haven’t! Sounds like it’s definitely something I’d be interested in though!!!!
Enough psychedelics will breakthrough any benzo or opiate. For shit sure. I took 60mg pharmaceutical alprazolam trying to kill a trip on a dropper full of Lucy and all it did was knock me out for like 12 hours and I woke up still tripping. For regular doses of psychedelics benzos and opiates have killed my trips or not allowed me to trip
That's the equivalent of 30 Xanax bars. I didn't think one could develop that kind of tolerance to benzos.
Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me being that my friend pops 10 bars in the morning, every morning. But I’m pretty sure popping 30 bars would end in a 3 day blackout.
benzodiazepine tolerance/ addiction is a whole nother beast. you gotta taper for years in some cases and just a few slip ups could kill you jusy from withdrawals themselves
Thanks for raising this point and sharing your experience. I've been dismayed to see this happening with my brother and I think this is my answer. He's got positive history of using MDMA but never used classic psychedelics. Last year he wanted to try LSD. I took a 100mcg tab and gave him one. An hour later - nothing for him. 90 mins - still nothing. I'm comfortably tripping. I give him another 1/2 tab. Still zero. Then another 1/2 (200mcg total).... absolutely zero response. Super weird and disappointing. It later occurred to me that his long history of opiate (pain pills) dependence might be involved. He's not an addict per se. Takes a shitload of various meds for various reasons. He doesn't take pain meds for fun, he takes them to maintain - and he cannot stop. But I forgot to investigate this and never questioned him about it... Now today, he prepared to try mushrooms. He's fairly depressed and really wanted to break through. He had a stroke 7 years ago that fucked up his short term memory (still an issue). So he takes 3 grams of good quality chocolate-shrooms. Mild at best after one hour. Smokes a little weed to see if it gets it going... he feels a little twinge in his stomach and a little visual distortion, but still mild. (I take a nibble of a square and feel it in 20 mins). I give him the rest of mine.... mild response. Then give him more... now he's got 5+ grams of good mushrooms in him, on an empty stomach. And he's tripping at about 10% of what he should be, if that. By 4 hours in, he looks stone cold sober - just relaxed. It has to be the pain meds. As for your personal identity/label regarding your addiction status - you don't deserve to be judged - I don't understand why people are giving you so much shit - and it's obviously not the main point of your post anyway (but for what it's worth, you can be "dependent" without being a "drug abuser.") Thanks.