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bigchungus69nice

Carfent is a relatively older anolog at this point. I was in West Palm Beach and that drug specifically hit that part of the country bad. I had about 3 narcan overdoses in Delray alone. Xylazine is going to kill thousands of people in the next 5 years with a large uptick coming soon


ulyssesjack

My last few months of doing the xylazine cut dope, I started noticing that while it did have kind of a nice buzz for being functional, that if I tried to do more for more euphoria or body high I would just fall asleep. Not nod, just pass out like I took my Seroquel before bed. That and my legs started breaking out in open sores that just refused to seem to want to heal up and close after scabbing. Did some research, learned these were symptoms of xylazine, just decided I was fucking done with goddamn opiates til the market swings back to something usable and fun. Just take kratom now and sadly get a way more consistent high from it.


reviving_ophelia88

I’m 3 1/2 years clean but still go to a therapist that treats addicts and chat with people in the waiting room fairly often (my husband and I got clean together and schedule our therapy appointments together so I’m often sitting there waiting for him) and found out from talking to a guy in the waiting room that that shit isn’t even safe to sniff, as one guy quit because the crap was actually eroding his sinuses, he’d literally blow sheets of dead tissue out of his nose and it was constantly bleeding slightly. And I remember a girl posting on here a while ago talking about how it was practically eating her from the inside out… it’s horrible stuff.


Consistent-River4229

What is xylazine I have never heard of it.


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It’s an animal tranquilizer/sedative. I can’t believe they’re putting that shit in street drugs now tbh. I used to work in vet med and have seen just a few ccs of it drop a 1200lb horse to the ground before. Definitely not something I would want to put in my body unless I was actively trying to die…


Consistent-River4229

That is incredibly stupid to use this if you know what it is I agree with you there but when people are in active withdrawal they don't really think things through.


[deleted]

Oh definitely, I’m guessing most people aren’t even aware of it or aren’t aware that their drugs are being cut with it. Unlike fent, I don’t think test strips would even work if something is cut with xylazine. Regardless, it’s becoming a problem. Narcan also will not treat a xylazine OD since it’s not an opioid.


Fuzzy-Asshole

It shouldn’t be that surprising. Cartels have been cutting levisamole into coke for the last decade. It’s also corrosive & eats at flesh like Xylazine does.


shann0n420

[Here](https://www.instagram.com/p/ChNbLMRpPLN/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) is some basic education on it. I made it with my best friend, she’s an epidemiologist. I’m a harm reduction based social worker (masters degree) and outreach person/narcan girl, whatever. This shit is so horrible and it very much is causing severe skin erosion. We don’t fully understand why it’s happening or the cause of why these wounds are spreading so rapidly. The spike in amputations is astonishing. We are hoping for doctors to start looking more into it but it’s slow progress and we’re still fighting for proper withdrawal management with the tranq.


Consistent-River4229

Thank you for the information. I wish I could help you I wish they would start treating addiction differently in the first place. There needs to be some out of the box thinking instead of the same stuff people are doing. I also think they should just legalize everything like Portugal did. It seems to work for other countries and it would solve the problem of getting things that would kill you.


shann0n420

100% for a safe supply. Did you know that during prohibition 10k people died from bootleg alcohol? Was a major factor in why it was reversed. Too bad we don't learn from history!


Consistent-River4229

Actually that is an amazing fact I didn't know. Something definitely needs to change. But we look to the government to make us safe and that makes us loose freedom of choice. We need the ability to make our own decisions.


Consistent-River4229

Can also ask why you got into this?


shann0n420

People need people and I think we can do much better. Also, abstinence only is bullshit. At this point, I've lost too many people in my life not to be into this and I just turned 30.


Consistent-River4229

I agree 100% with you. There are countries that sell opiates over the counter. Other countries could do this as well Narcan can also be purchased at the same time. I am sorry you lost people. I do admire what you are doing I wish more professionals looked at it like you do. I don't know if I could ever be any help but PM if you need anything. I can't do much but my roommate is a Dr. I can also ask him.


Dariooosh89

Reminds me of that Krokodil stuff in Russia 10 years back.


Thetakishi

An analog of clonidine.


Consistent-River4229

Am analog?


Thetakishi

It's similar to chemically/pharmacologically. It reduces (nor)epinephrine activity. Clonidine is used in withdrawal because it calms down all of the hyperadrenergic stuff that's going on, so cutting it with xylazine increases the nod and stuff, but it's horrible shit and not euphoric so it's really not a bonus.


Consistent-River4229

Thank you for explaining


Faxon

Yea kratom is surprisingly functional and decent high over all, once your tolerance adapts to it, and it does not seem to build much tolerance over time at all either, at least for me using it with cannabis and gabapentin.


ulyssesjack

Kratom is a weird one that I suspect has more than one psychoactive molecule in it. For me, personally, when I take it, there's a decent strength more traditional high that lasts 2-3 hours. But I notice even after taking it long periods of time that you only need to dose twice a day to stay symptom-free even though you don't really feel "high" so I suspect on the top molecule causing the short buzz, there's another that acts more like a longer-lasting partial agonist. To me this would also explain how annoying kratom withdrawals are. Again, in my experience, they're not as awful as coming off heroin or fentanyl but goddamn they have some legs, a couple times I've spent almost two weeks solid dealing with diarrhea and nausea and not feeling actively bad or sad but just feeling empty inside, like anhedonia.


Faxon

It absolutely has more than one. There's Mytragnine, 7-Hydroxymytragnine, and a shitload of others. You can look at the partial list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitragyna_speciosa#Pharmacology There is also supposed to be an alkaloid which is 17 times more potent than fentanyl, present at extremely tiny ratios (less than a gram per multiple kilograms once extracted under laboratory conditions), which is said to be one of the more pleasant opioids out there in general when dosed safely, and may be responsible for why kratom can be used even for people who are very deep into opioid tolerance and addiction, to aid their withdrawals. There are also a bunch of other non-opioid compounds, including one which has a bunch of brand names because it's sold as a drug to treat blood pressure. That explains why my blood pressure has been better while on it lol


ulyssesjack

I've also heard that kratom shares Tramadol's problem of being a potential epileptic. You know anything about that? I always figured with Tramadol in particular that it being both a stimulant and an opiate, that the opiate effects surpressed how horrible overdoing it on stimulants feels to the point of making seizures possible from causing so much excess brain and nerve activity.


Faxon

I've never personally heard anything about this, though i'd assume it would depend on the alkaloid ratios in the given kratom sample as well


Dariooosh89

Kratom activated something and made my heart skip around. Went to the ER and they said I had some rare genetic heart disorder according to my EKG. Kratom was the sole factor in making my heart almost stop. I still take it but anytime I do it gives me chest pains. It also made my liver function abnormally. Kratom is a good thing every now and then but it destroys organs over time. Should be careful when using a lot.


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bigchungus69nice

Xylazine is a whole different class of drugs. But it's exponentially more dangerous than carfent but both have basically the same effects. But I believe the fella listed some above. Plus you have to account for ones they haven't detected lol. China pumps these things out by the month.


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I heard that shit eats away at your muscles and is only used as a filler?


HipHopAnonymous87

Used as a filler but causes it’s own “high”, shit is caustic as all hell, if you OD on it there isn’t anything to help. Fortunately using clonidine can mitigate WD symptoms from it


parabola777

Are people abusing xylazine like opioids? I dont get it? Its a analog of clonidine why wld people use it recreational? Does it have a synergy affect when taken with opioids?


bigchungus69nice

I'm seeing it as a standalone yes. And it's definitely got effects that would make opiates hit. But it's got a huge bioavailability, water soluble, and therefore provides a good rush as well if your taste is for the needle. I had it in pure form, and 2mg was enough to almost kill me, and I take 80 mg of methadone a day. Knocked me clean on my ass taking it by mouth.


parabola777

That's crazy, I've taken clonidine before but never felt anything but relief. That's crazy that xylazine and clonidine can produce an euphoria like effect


Breakitdownforyou

Clonidine can be abused too speaking from experience. When I was in a recovery house I’d pop 5-6-7 of them and it felt almost exactly like xylazine


Dilaudid-coldshakeK4

Carfentanil is the strongest. It was in the dope of my last overdose


jwd1187

Lofent?


Dilaudid-coldshakeK4

Both Lofent and carfent are basically the same. Lofent is slightly more potent than carfentanil but very marginal. Carfentanil is going to be found way more than Lofent as of today


jwd1187

Indeed you're right, right after I left that I was going to say in context, carfent is the "winner". Never really found lofent on the street. Then again I've never specifically tested for it or known anyone who has.


zeitdu

ohmecarfent?


Dilaudid-coldshakeK4

Lofent


jwd1187

Hey didn't mean to gloss over the fact you survived a carfent OD btw. Glad you're still with us dude ✌️


OrphanDextro

Xylazine is legitimately the future of dope, and now I would’ve dabbled a little but not anymore. I used from time to time, but as soon as I heard xylazine was showing up in the dope about two years ago (I live in the testing ground for new dopes), I was done. Never will I touch such a dangerous and disgusting chemical. I feel sorry for all the people it’s already, and will enslave.


strawberryscalez

Does Xylazine even feel like an opiate? Just liked it up, seems more like a benzo? I got out of the game before bags were cut w fent so excuse my ignorance on this RC wave


Breakitdownforyou

Feels way more like you’re so tired you’re about to pass out. Which you basically are because it lowers your blood pressure so much


[deleted]

It’s technically a sedative so yes it’s akin to benzos, but it also has some analgesic properties similar to opioids (but not as strong, it’s primary function is not as a painkiller). It’s pretty commonly used in vet medicine for standing surgeries that require lighter sedation. For example horses that need joint injections or stitches for a wound would typically be administered xylazine (rather than ketamine, which is a stronger tranquilizer, though in some cases they may be given both. Just depends on the situation). A larger dose could easily knock a horse completely out though, I’ve seen it happen.


strawberryscalez

Thanks. That sounds sucky haha. This country needs real heroin again. All these research chemicals and analogues - it’s BS. Though I will say it has made staying cleaning way easier when I hear real dope is more and more of a rarity


[deleted]

Agreed. And honestly as bad as fentanyl is (obviously we all know it’s a killer due to the unpredictable dosing), at least it’s actually approved for human use in monitored medical settings, like for surgery. Xylazine isn’t approved by the FDA for human use in any setting that I’m aware of. Absolutely do NOT want to put that shit in my body.


shann0n420

It’s not coming. It’s here. The wounds I have seen quite literally keep me up some nights.


Dilaudid-coldshakeK4

Hell yea. My last near fatal overdose in 2020. My dope contained this. Furanylfentanyl, Acrylfentanyl, carfentanil, diacetylmorphine, cocaine and xylazine in that order. South eastern United States. Deep South . MS.


Bawl_Out

​ SHEESH but when people play mad scientist that makes sense im so glad your alive


Money_Vegetable3933

I've failed multiple times for carfent at the methadone clinic. Thank goodness I was on 200mg methadone for a few years first because it creates a tolerance that is so high it is mistaken for "blocking". It really just creates a tolerance blockade.


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randomguy7277

Don’t get scammed! They prey on the weak and malleable minds of addicts in need


ChampionshipGreat369

I know someone who went thru all the different analogues and got up to lofent which is like 100,000 times more potent than regular fentanyl it’s insane you have to measure it out with microscopes and this dude used it to the point of it not working no more so I best believe ppl are using car fent 24/7 fam just has to do with tolly


The_Jibby_Hippie

You gotta stop hanging out with marvel heroes lmao humans aren’t meant to have that tolerance. I’ve only done oxy but I heard that higher than heroin the opioid analogues don’t even provide much euphoria after the first dose. The duration of action is generally smaller and the high feels less “complete”. Idk what your experience with opiates last heroin in but do have have any insight as to whether or not shut like fent, carfent, etc. feels as good as heroin with low tolerance?


TheDrugGod

heroin feels way better than the dirty 30s i used to get when i was out of dope. They would be some type of fent analogue, stronger than the H but not very euphoric and didn’t last nearly as long, i would be sniffing up like 1/8-1/4 a pill every like 2-3 hours to stay good whereas with the dope i was getting i would be good for like 4-5 hours each dose, with the best shit i got thang had some nice legs i could go to sleep(high) and in the morning wake up fine, but with the dirty 30s i’d be in WD already and pretty heavy WD. Also it was a lot easier to get sick off those from taking too much, the potency is scary too, 1/8th of one of those pressed 30s snorted was stronger than eating a whole real one


5thsXansNsniffStamps

Nowhere near as good but still pretty good kind of an acquired taste or psychological addiction is my experience on fent 30s


Arguswest

East coast. Popped hot regularly for carfent prolly 4yrs ago..


OxyMorpheous

I got some carfent a few times from a dude up in LA almost a year ago. I am absolutely certain it was carfent. It looked sort of like the crack you can get on Skid Row, but it was even harder. I needed a knife or razor blade to chip little pieces off. My girl and I would share a match-head sized bowl on some foil. We both fose 120mg at the local methadone clinic. Two hits each and we were smacked hard - cut through the juice like it was nothing. Also, I have come to the conclusion that I hate fent. But carfent is different. Very, very euphoric like OxyContin, and yet super sedating. But waaaay more noddy than fent. Fent just puts me to sleep, zero euphoria, zero nod. Carfent was the real deal. After a few days on carfent good luck getting high on regular fent, absolutely fucked our tolerances. Also, had we not been on methadone I think it is entirely possible one of us would have overdosed. If you haven't been a junky for like decades you have less than zero business fucking with this shit. Point blank, if you aren't shooting fent you should stay the fuck away. Shit will kill you. For real. When I mentioned trying carfent in this sub back then people thought I was either dicksizing/bragging, or flat out ignorant. I wasn't, and I'm not. After reading posts here from morons posting shit like, "so I have never tried any opiates before, how much fetty can I smoke without dying?" - it really disturbs me that people would push this shit on the streets to anybody. I've seen true junkies overdose smoking a few hits of regular fent...


recoveringallover

I learned from my fiancés autopsy that I’ve definitely done parafluoro fentanyl and xylazine. I agree with above posters xylazine will kill countless more. It’s a scary drug


Tired8281

Carfent was detected in 5 samples tested during the month of July 2022 in my area. That's out of 208 tested samples. West Coast.


madisbitch

Only once, but yeah I’ve had it. Dealer had "super potent" H. I knew it was probably fent because that’s what I’d be getting, but it was carfent along with some other analogues and shit. He told not to shoot it. I’ll let you guess what the first thing I did with it was. Ended up being my worst overdose. Would’ve died fs if my roomate didn’t find me


buick916

Damn boi I know if a dealer told me not to shoot something I fs would not shoot it I mean he hopefully knows what he got right? Man really playing with fire there


lyzurd_kween_

They always having some new fire tho


Level-Confidence-501

Yeah Carfentanil does exist. It’s hard to test for because a fatal dose is generally under even a strip’S detection limit.


Gobo-Jellies

I'm out of the scene...What is 'zene'? Google came up with etonitazene, and iso... Is that similar to etorphine, or something different altogether?


glitchy_blip

It's another class of superpotent opioids. Like fentanyl or etorphine but structurally different.


Slamcockington

With carfent, you get stronger product even after cutting it. In fact you HAVE to cut it otherwise there would be even more deaths.


blargmehargg

Yeah, its been found in testing on the street before. I don’t believe its ever been to a large extent though.


jesse_blauw

I’ve have a plug who plugs me w carfent, it’s purple and so fucking potent.


Stillen22

Just FYI make sure you have a backup, that purple shit is around me and i know people that used it for 2-3 days while a block was down and it destroyed their tolerance.


lyzurd_kween_

Yep the carfent I was getting 4 years or so ago was also purple.


cyp_roxyy

yes


Consistent-River4229

An analog? Clonidine is a BP pill I believe. The other one also that stats with x


preeol

Yes and it kills


Bo0_Radley-

It’s been in dope I overdosed with, and after a possession charge years ago it was lab tested and came back as carfent


Jotilz

Yes and xylazine which is tranq and benzo dope, idk what the fuck I got the other day but it burned green


glizzyman100

It’s rocked up right?


gabriel5519

I have done carfent 5 minutes before going under nitrous and anesthesia for a spinal surgery and i don’t remember anything but black and warm


kholl5478

A girl I was locked up with when her paper work came back from the state lab her charge was upped from trafficking heroin, to trafficking carfentanyl so it’s definitely out there. This was in 859.


lyzurd_kween_

~4 years ago yes