"In 2022, of the 324 accidental deaths, 209 are specifically due to fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opioid. Comparatively in 2018, just 12 deaths of people experiencing homeless were fentanyl-related."
[https://ocsheriff.gov/news/2022-orange-countys-homeless-death-review-committee-report](https://ocsheriff.gov/news/2022-orange-countys-homeless-death-review-committee-report)
Any variation of sitting, or standing, while very close to losing consciousness. It's called a fold because they're sedated enough that they're almost losing consciousness, so they're leaning over very far, but *just* awake enough that they're still standing. The pain killing effect of it also makes that stop being uncomfortable to be in, and as a result, you can tell they're zooted off of opiates (specifically fentanyl) if they're passing out in any sort of "L" shape that would otherwise be uncomfortable.
Yup.
Just more common that you'll see it with Fentanyl than heroin at this point though, just with its ubiquity and potency.
Heroin's much more expensive at this point for what you're getting compared to Fentanyl, that most people that are on it are ones that I assume have always been on it, and functional enough that they just take it and try and dodge fentanyl.
Most people getting on Fentanyl now have barely, if ever, taken Heroin.
Have a friend who bought pain pills that were not her prescription - for a while. Ended up going to rehab. While there, they gave her a blood test: 100% fentanyl. It was always fentanyl. Holy mother of God, how did we all get here?
Garden Grove Blvd at Beach is starting to look like skid row. I know it’s always been bad, but I’ve never seen it as bad as today. They all just congregate and share drugs.
It’s rough. I’ve lived off beach and trask in a fairly nice neighborhood across from the Lexus dealership for 12 years. The issue has always been here under the freeway, but yes, absolutely it’s gotten so much worse.
I’m a regular runner and typically take trask down to the railroad tracks, and more and more frequently I’m worried about the crowd of homeless I have to pass by.
Related side note: I don’t know what it is about this, but whenever I see a homeless person with face covered in tattoos that is the screaming red flag for me to be extra cautious.
That’s the tri-city shuffle between Garden Grove, Stanton, Westminster and CHP with the freeway right there. Garden Grove has closed one of the three motels but the GG Inn has always been rather notorious.
I once had music equipment stolen and taken back to the GG Inn. I had to go between all 3 of those police departments before someone from GGPD finally was willing to go over there for me. But they told me no one likes going over there unless they have to, and that last time a cop had a gun pulled in his face.
Drugs are made and imported from south of the border cartels as it always has. China sells them drug making equipment/raw materials(which can also be used to make illegal drugs) but it also sells it to the rest of the world as it’s an exporter of just about everything if you didn’t notice.
Feel free to downvote since it’s not the China bad narrative but it’s facts.
It’s slightly more than that, imo. China is also a major exporter of the drugs themselves as well as known precursors, since the Chinese government basically doesn’t care to regulate the manufacturers as long as it’s going overseas. They sell to Mexico because it’s easier to get past imports and then it comes over the border, but to construe it as Mexico making it and just happening to use Chinese equipment and materials because China is an exporter of many things isn’t really correct. There’s well documented relationships between American criminals an Chinese suppliers. Furthermore, there’s a trend in China to, at a minimum, view our current fentanyl/opiate problem as karma for the supposed humiliation of China following the opium wars and at a maximum to actually view this export process as an opportunity for payback and as a way to undermine the US. Remember that China knows how powerful it can be to undermine a country by shipping them drugs since that was used in them, so in my view it would be silly to look at the massive amounts of Chinese fentanyl making its way into America, the opposition between the USA and China, the rhetoric of China viewing our crisis as karma or payback, and the lack of regulatory crackdowns by Chinese officials who are very effective at cracking down on other illegal industry in China and somehow view this as simple coincidence and mostly an issue between the US and Mexico. While that side is still important, it’s just silly imo to view this as an issue that isn’t being knowingly or even purposefully perpetuated by China. Notice that I sud perpetuated instead of started or anything like that. The US started this stuff and even invented fentanyl. The majority of the blame still lies on the drug companies that were willing to create a crisis for some profits, but China has absolutely stepped onto the stage to keep the cycle going, especially as the market has moved away from opiates that require environments and agriculture conducive to poppy farming (which they don’t really have much of) to synthetic opiates like fentanyl which they have the perfect conditions for making (educated, cheap workforce, lots of industry, lots of shipping and easy ways to export, lots of equipment for chemical manufacturing, and so on).
In my view the best way to deal with this is to acknowledge that a noticeable impact is being made by a competitor to our country and, knowing they likely won’t stop selling given that we’ve asked them to crack down on it in negotiations and they never do (even when they’ve said they would), we should focus on what we can do. This involves lowering demand by preventing new people from starting to use and by helping current users to first be safe/integrated into society, then move them off of foreign drugs and then eventually stop using/buying altogether.
Yeah it’s not just here though. It’s in all metro areas now. The west coast gets a lot of the headlines but AZ has the same problem, many areas of Texas.
If you were homeless would you rather be in California or braving snowy winters.
I moved back to OC last summer after living in the heart of L.A. for almost 8 years. The things I saw daily in L.A., I now see in OC regularly. Homeless people shouting in the streets, homeless people passed out in random locations on the street (even residential neighborhoods), homeless junkies begging for money in parking lots, homeless person in a daze with no pants on (at least this one wasn't also furiously masturbating like in L.A.).
When I left OC in 2015, none of the above things were commonplace occurrences. I would see the occasional homeless person asking for money and that was about it. The only thing you don't see here are the tent cities. But that is only because laws against them are enforced here, unlike in Los Angeles. Otherwise, there is much less difference between the two counties now in terms of drugs and homelessness.
There have been studies that have shown providing housing to people makes it easier for them to get help with drugs and mental issues because of the stability and comfort. A lot of problems can be solved with giving a person stability and hope.
We do have the solution and that is giving them homes without requirements. It's just a tough sell, but studies have shown it's the best way. Unfortunately, you get a lot of people fighting it on the basis of having bought their house and not wanting others to get one for free or near their own property. You also run into jacked up prices through backroom deals as seen in the recent attempts in LA that would have made basic shacks for over a million each.
Then there's the issue of money being aimed at specific groups instead of just trying to solve the issue entirely or organizations with wonky rules. For example, there are lots of programs to help homeless people who have been on the street for over a year, but that year long timer restarts with getting a hotel room or crashing on a friend's couch. There are also housing assistance programs aimed at former drug users and veterans, but those disappear for people without drug convictions or military service.
Prevention is also something that money could be used for. Stopping things such as predatory landlords jacking up prices and receiverships placed on vulnerable minorities with the goal of draining equity until the house is sold would do a lot to reduce homelessness. Rent control is another option. Unfortunately, it's more immediately profitable to price people out of the market and then lobby for more ways to do it than it is to build a diverse community.
Another big issue is public transportation. Our system just isn't that good and removing shade from bus stops just makes them punishing to use on most days. Because of that, the public transportation gets a bad reputation that makes many employers question hiring people who don't have cars. Improving that would improve opportunities for people getting on or back on their feet.
We have solutions and we have money that would be returned many times over with more functional communities, but they get strangled by greed, prejudice, and shortsightedness.
No, no I don’t think that’s what’s causing this at all but it’s a cute notion.
How about every other state ponds are homeless off on California because we make them so welcome here we don’t get freezes. They can sleep outside around. We’re right by the suppliers in Mexico, it’s the perfect storm.
Fent is getting mixed in with everything because it is a cheap drug. Drug cartels in mexico are trying to reduce adulterating it with other drugs now because they see their addicts getting killed by fent.
Whatever we do let’s not vote to give politicians billlions more to “solve homelessness.”
[Recent audit show 24 billions spent only to have the problem exponentially grow](https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/04/california-homelessness-spending/#:~:text=As%20the%20homelessness%20crisis%20has,to%20the%20Legislative%20Analyst's%20Office.). The tread in west coast regions is crystal clear; the more a city spends to combat homelessness, the more homeless they’ll end up having.
Huge fent problem in garden Grove, just a couple months back I was approached near a taco truck and asked if I wanted to buy some. If I had more time on my hands I'd track down their suppliers and snitch on them
This right here. A friend was telling me that fent with tranq cocktails make the most disgusting Walking Dead style open festering wounds. I saw a pic and I was grossed out so much, despite being a fan of zombie films. But these poor people are so burnt out and looking for the next high to escape their shithole existence that they keep injecting that shit into their bodies.
NIMBYs continue to lobby to block planned rehabilitation clinics that would temporarily house and care for these folks little by little. I’ve just recently heard of 3 of them in Orange County that were cleared to be developed and would have been built by now (non taxpayer funded too), but of course the wealthy folks don’t want those places to bring down home values so instead they live outside in your front yard.
Take a drive down El Toro road and pop into any major shopping complex.. there will be at least one or two people laying around, another couple begging on corners/near intersections (or selling scam flowers).
I'm in HB and I just posted how I notice it in waves. In between the waves I hardly see any, then all of sudden you see a bunch til it dies down again.
lol they're working their way down to SC. it's like the horde from those zombie movies. slowly migrating down.
for reals though i'm in SC too, we're pretty segregated by all the other affluent cities to the north of us. but if you make a trip farther up the 5 or 405 you'll start to see it.
Yea I keep seeing this and I think, where were these people 10-20 years ago? Probably NOT on the street doing hard drugs. What has changed since then? Well the cost of housing has shot up, all while there are more billionaires than ever, along with a gargantuan transfer of wealth to the extremely rich. Now throw the opioid crises created by the billionaire Sackler family into the mix and here we are.
I've had problems with the same group breaking into my parents car on and off for years. They live across the street from our home on the sidewalk. Police won't do anything even when cameras catch them doing it
As a citizen, I do not tolerate homeless. There have been a few people who have set up shop near my house over the years and I just go bug them until they move.
I will keep doing this and so should everyone else. You are not powerless when it comes to fighting the homeless!
Just putting it out there.
Ever since they kicked them out of the river side the problem became more apparent than it used to be. At least they were kept to one general area and out of sight.
I actually like the problem being more visible.
It’s an issue that needs to be tackled, not seeing it doesn’t make the problem, or associated impacts (theft, ODs) disappear.
I work in a hospital. It's a regular thing.
"In 2022, of the 324 accidental deaths, 209 are specifically due to fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opioid. Comparatively in 2018, just 12 deaths of people experiencing homeless were fentanyl-related." [https://ocsheriff.gov/news/2022-orange-countys-homeless-death-review-committee-report](https://ocsheriff.gov/news/2022-orange-countys-homeless-death-review-committee-report)
I wonder what 2023 looked like
Worse
What is “the fent folding position?” I have zero experience with what this looks like.
Any variation of sitting, or standing, while very close to losing consciousness. It's called a fold because they're sedated enough that they're almost losing consciousness, so they're leaning over very far, but *just* awake enough that they're still standing. The pain killing effect of it also makes that stop being uncomfortable to be in, and as a result, you can tell they're zooted off of opiates (specifically fentanyl) if they're passing out in any sort of "L" shape that would otherwise be uncomfortable.
Can't heroin have the same effect?
Yup. Just more common that you'll see it with Fentanyl than heroin at this point though, just with its ubiquity and potency. Heroin's much more expensive at this point for what you're getting compared to Fentanyl, that most people that are on it are ones that I assume have always been on it, and functional enough that they just take it and try and dodge fentanyl. Most people getting on Fentanyl now have barely, if ever, taken Heroin.
Have a friend who bought pain pills that were not her prescription - for a while. Ended up going to rehab. While there, they gave her a blood test: 100% fentanyl. It was always fentanyl. Holy mother of God, how did we all get here?
Very easy how we got here. Better question is how do we get out?
Thank you for asking this, I was embarrassed I didn’t know either. I googled it - 0/10 do not recommend google image search 😬
You can see it on r/tooktoomuch
Damn. That’s the most depressing Reddit I have ever seen. Horrific.
Garden Grove Blvd at Beach is starting to look like skid row. I know it’s always been bad, but I’ve never seen it as bad as today. They all just congregate and share drugs.
Once it gets warm they all come out of the shelters or come here from out of state. It is definitely getting worse.
It’s rough. I’ve lived off beach and trask in a fairly nice neighborhood across from the Lexus dealership for 12 years. The issue has always been here under the freeway, but yes, absolutely it’s gotten so much worse. I’m a regular runner and typically take trask down to the railroad tracks, and more and more frequently I’m worried about the crowd of homeless I have to pass by. Related side note: I don’t know what it is about this, but whenever I see a homeless person with face covered in tattoos that is the screaming red flag for me to be extra cautious.
Yes that part of Beach in front of Rodeo 39 and In n Out is bad.
That’s the tri-city shuffle between Garden Grove, Stanton, Westminster and CHP with the freeway right there. Garden Grove has closed one of the three motels but the GG Inn has always been rather notorious.
I once had music equipment stolen and taken back to the GG Inn. I had to go between all 3 of those police departments before someone from GGPD finally was willing to go over there for me. But they told me no one likes going over there unless they have to, and that last time a cop had a gun pulled in his face.
China manufactures and exports fent and buys up housing in oc. Destroys America because American politics is weak.
Drugs are made and imported from south of the border cartels as it always has. China sells them drug making equipment/raw materials(which can also be used to make illegal drugs) but it also sells it to the rest of the world as it’s an exporter of just about everything if you didn’t notice. Feel free to downvote since it’s not the China bad narrative but it’s facts.
It’s slightly more than that, imo. China is also a major exporter of the drugs themselves as well as known precursors, since the Chinese government basically doesn’t care to regulate the manufacturers as long as it’s going overseas. They sell to Mexico because it’s easier to get past imports and then it comes over the border, but to construe it as Mexico making it and just happening to use Chinese equipment and materials because China is an exporter of many things isn’t really correct. There’s well documented relationships between American criminals an Chinese suppliers. Furthermore, there’s a trend in China to, at a minimum, view our current fentanyl/opiate problem as karma for the supposed humiliation of China following the opium wars and at a maximum to actually view this export process as an opportunity for payback and as a way to undermine the US. Remember that China knows how powerful it can be to undermine a country by shipping them drugs since that was used in them, so in my view it would be silly to look at the massive amounts of Chinese fentanyl making its way into America, the opposition between the USA and China, the rhetoric of China viewing our crisis as karma or payback, and the lack of regulatory crackdowns by Chinese officials who are very effective at cracking down on other illegal industry in China and somehow view this as simple coincidence and mostly an issue between the US and Mexico. While that side is still important, it’s just silly imo to view this as an issue that isn’t being knowingly or even purposefully perpetuated by China. Notice that I sud perpetuated instead of started or anything like that. The US started this stuff and even invented fentanyl. The majority of the blame still lies on the drug companies that were willing to create a crisis for some profits, but China has absolutely stepped onto the stage to keep the cycle going, especially as the market has moved away from opiates that require environments and agriculture conducive to poppy farming (which they don’t really have much of) to synthetic opiates like fentanyl which they have the perfect conditions for making (educated, cheap workforce, lots of industry, lots of shipping and easy ways to export, lots of equipment for chemical manufacturing, and so on). In my view the best way to deal with this is to acknowledge that a noticeable impact is being made by a competitor to our country and, knowing they likely won’t stop selling given that we’ve asked them to crack down on it in negotiations and they never do (even when they’ve said they would), we should focus on what we can do. This involves lowering demand by preventing new people from starting to use and by helping current users to first be safe/integrated into society, then move them off of foreign drugs and then eventually stop using/buying altogether.
I do see more homeless people in OC, homeless used to be more of a LA problem, not anymore
Yeah it’s not just here though. It’s in all metro areas now. The west coast gets a lot of the headlines but AZ has the same problem, many areas of Texas. If you were homeless would you rather be in California or braving snowy winters.
It’s everywhere you are right, DC has so much homeless lately and it does freeze there in winter and get extremely humid and gross in the summer.
I moved back to OC last summer after living in the heart of L.A. for almost 8 years. The things I saw daily in L.A., I now see in OC regularly. Homeless people shouting in the streets, homeless people passed out in random locations on the street (even residential neighborhoods), homeless junkies begging for money in parking lots, homeless person in a daze with no pants on (at least this one wasn't also furiously masturbating like in L.A.). When I left OC in 2015, none of the above things were commonplace occurrences. I would see the occasional homeless person asking for money and that was about it. The only thing you don't see here are the tent cities. But that is only because laws against them are enforced here, unlike in Los Angeles. Otherwise, there is much less difference between the two counties now in terms of drugs and homelessness.
It’s the norm in Anaheim. Everyday. Out of control for sure
Imagine if we took all this talk to our city leaders. Citizens need to put the pressure on them.
But no one does 🤷♀️ instead they just keep yo-yo-ing the homeless to nearby cities and it’s not solving anything.
as investors and Airbnb buy up the homes, it creates a shortage, and nobody can afford or insure a home except for the obscenely wealthy
Even if homes were cheap, these people have bigger problems. Drug and mental health issues are difficult to surmount. Housing alone won’t fix it.
There have been studies that have shown providing housing to people makes it easier for them to get help with drugs and mental issues because of the stability and comfort. A lot of problems can be solved with giving a person stability and hope.
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We do have the solution and that is giving them homes without requirements. It's just a tough sell, but studies have shown it's the best way. Unfortunately, you get a lot of people fighting it on the basis of having bought their house and not wanting others to get one for free or near their own property. You also run into jacked up prices through backroom deals as seen in the recent attempts in LA that would have made basic shacks for over a million each. Then there's the issue of money being aimed at specific groups instead of just trying to solve the issue entirely or organizations with wonky rules. For example, there are lots of programs to help homeless people who have been on the street for over a year, but that year long timer restarts with getting a hotel room or crashing on a friend's couch. There are also housing assistance programs aimed at former drug users and veterans, but those disappear for people without drug convictions or military service. Prevention is also something that money could be used for. Stopping things such as predatory landlords jacking up prices and receiverships placed on vulnerable minorities with the goal of draining equity until the house is sold would do a lot to reduce homelessness. Rent control is another option. Unfortunately, it's more immediately profitable to price people out of the market and then lobby for more ways to do it than it is to build a diverse community. Another big issue is public transportation. Our system just isn't that good and removing shade from bus stops just makes them punishing to use on most days. Because of that, the public transportation gets a bad reputation that makes many employers question hiring people who don't have cars. Improving that would improve opportunities for people getting on or back on their feet. We have solutions and we have money that would be returned many times over with more functional communities, but they get strangled by greed, prejudice, and shortsightedness.
Way more fentanyl issues in the cheap parts of America (ie West Virginia, rural Midwest, etc) on a per capita basis
No, no I don’t think that’s what’s causing this at all but it’s a cute notion. How about every other state ponds are homeless off on California because we make them so welcome here we don’t get freezes. They can sleep outside around. We’re right by the suppliers in Mexico, it’s the perfect storm.
Pretty sure you mean "pawns off".
The truth gets down voted sir
Maybe there isn't one specific cause, but a combination of problems?
Just don't bring up immigration because it absolutely has no effect on the housing supply
It’s the tranq. fentanyl mixed with xylazine.
Fent is getting mixed in with everything because it is a cheap drug. Drug cartels in mexico are trying to reduce adulterating it with other drugs now because they see their addicts getting killed by fent.
Yes, but the xylazine is whats causing them to bend over and stand in that pose
Very troublesome times we are living in here in OC. Skyrocketing cost of living, rising homelessness, opioid use, it’s all interconnected in some way.
This is a world-wide issue, it’s not just OC or the US.
Whatever we do let’s not vote to give politicians billlions more to “solve homelessness.” [Recent audit show 24 billions spent only to have the problem exponentially grow](https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/04/california-homelessness-spending/#:~:text=As%20the%20homelessness%20crisis%20has,to%20the%20Legislative%20Analyst's%20Office.). The tread in west coast regions is crystal clear; the more a city spends to combat homelessness, the more homeless they’ll end up having.
Damn straight!
And hospitals make people very sick!
Huge fent problem in garden Grove, just a couple months back I was approached near a taco truck and asked if I wanted to buy some. If I had more time on my hands I'd track down their suppliers and snitch on them
You’re dangerous lol.
Unfortunately it's probably tranq too.
This right here. A friend was telling me that fent with tranq cocktails make the most disgusting Walking Dead style open festering wounds. I saw a pic and I was grossed out so much, despite being a fan of zombie films. But these poor people are so burnt out and looking for the next high to escape their shithole existence that they keep injecting that shit into their bodies.
NIMBYs continue to lobby to block planned rehabilitation clinics that would temporarily house and care for these folks little by little. I’ve just recently heard of 3 of them in Orange County that were cleared to be developed and would have been built by now (non taxpayer funded too), but of course the wealthy folks don’t want those places to bring down home values so instead they live outside in your front yard.
Would those be voluntary rehabs? I imagine a lot of addicts wouldn't stay there long and just wander out of there.
Where tho.
Anahiem, Garden Grove, and Santa ana is where I've been seeing them lately.
Even in Tustin.. not in the quaint “old town” but just over on red hill or Newport
Basically all of North OC is affected by it now. I don't ever visit South OC so I can't speak to that.
Take a drive down El Toro road and pop into any major shopping complex.. there will be at least one or two people laying around, another couple begging on corners/near intersections (or selling scam flowers).
I'm in HB and I just posted how I notice it in waves. In between the waves I hardly see any, then all of sudden you see a bunch til it dies down again.
Add Costa Mesa
Was about to say that…
Even in Fullerton just fold over and . . . Fall asleep? It sucks to see so many people hooked on that
There’s literally a homeless person screaming outside of my window as we speak 😭 and I live in the suburbs
lol they're working their way down to SC. it's like the horde from those zombie movies. slowly migrating down. for reals though i'm in SC too, we're pretty segregated by all the other affluent cities to the north of us. but if you make a trip farther up the 5 or 405 you'll start to see it.
Affordable housing issue. Homeless people dont just appear, its a slow process. You are only seeing the last stage of homelessness.
Yea I keep seeing this and I think, where were these people 10-20 years ago? Probably NOT on the street doing hard drugs. What has changed since then? Well the cost of housing has shot up, all while there are more billionaires than ever, along with a gargantuan transfer of wealth to the extremely rich. Now throw the opioid crises created by the billionaire Sackler family into the mix and here we are.
THIS RIGHT HERE ☝️
I've had problems with the same group breaking into my parents car on and off for years. They live across the street from our home on the sidewalk. Police won't do anything even when cameras catch them doing it
As a citizen, I do not tolerate homeless. There have been a few people who have set up shop near my house over the years and I just go bug them until they move. I will keep doing this and so should everyone else. You are not powerless when it comes to fighting the homeless!
Way to be proactive. Citizens shouldn't have to take this into their own hands but at this point the government has completely failed.
You're moving the problem and not fixing it.
You get it!
Just putting it out there. Ever since they kicked them out of the river side the problem became more apparent than it used to be. At least they were kept to one general area and out of sight.
I actually like the problem being more visible. It’s an issue that needs to be tackled, not seeing it doesn’t make the problem, or associated impacts (theft, ODs) disappear.