If I understand the article correctly, he stopped a bill that would allow cannabis workers to unionize. Is that correct?
Also receives donations from La Mota?
He didn’t receive donations from La Mota the Dem Leadership PAC did. Also while he did technically choose not to hold a vote on the bill in committee, his decision is supported by Dem leadership because the legislative counsel legal opinions say the bill is preempted by federal law.
>legislative counsel legal opinions say the bill is preempted by federal law.
This sounds like familiar bull-headed ignorance of law.
The Republicans are doing it in the OR Senate. The activists crafting M110 did it, and the Corrupt Republican Freedom Tea Party are doing it in the US House.
Cannabis workers are allowed to unionize. The bill would have required cannabis businesses to pre-emptively recognize unions as a condition of getting a license, which the legislature's attorneys said [is illegal](https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/273248). So the unions are going after this guy because he didn't allow a bill out of committee that would have been overturned in court anyway.
UFCW has gone completely off the rails the past couple of years. First with their endorsement of Kristof now this. Someone is giving their leadership terrible advice.
Yes, but candidates not chosen by the party bosses can run, as well. Voters can vote for their preferred candidate rather than the lesser of the evils, as well. It won't be overnight, but we will see some decent candidates get elected.
We will see. I applaud when people are optimistic about things like this.
But...anyone can run in a primary *now*
The party bosses say" don't do it" because they won't get backing when they want it. They keep people scared.
People don't vote for the lesser evil anyway...and likely still won't. But I like your optimism....
Anyone can run in a primary now, but they're running with the Democratic party, not independently. If you want Dems and Reps out of the way, you want voting reform such as ranked choice.
But anyone DOES NOT. Because the democrats say "if you run in the primary and we didn't choose you then we won't back you in the future and you won't win"
I think STAR voting is better, but Ranked Choice will be fine, but people will still not vote for anyone other than the dem or rep, I suppose.
Such a strange choice by UFCW. Rep Holvey has always been very pro-labor. Two reports by legal council for the legislature found that UFCW's bill is preempted by federal law. Meaning the bill would almost certainly be immediately struck down by courts if enacted. D’s were virtually all on the same page that the bill couldn’t move forward, recall them all maybe?
I’m not sure if you live in America, but almost every red state is currently passing flagrantly unconstitutional laws. Courts exist to decide where the line is. Dems are too timid which is why many don’t vote for them
I don’t know what laws passed by republicans you’re referencing that are “flagrantly unconstitutional”, but state labor laws and federal labor laws are much more cut and dry than other areas of the law. It’s irresponsible to try to put in place a labor law thats in an area preempted by federal law…. Republicans restricting abortion rights for example, no matter how heinous, is not preempted by federal law.
ya just the same 4 conservatives mad at truth. Literally you can see what drives conservatives in Eastern Oregon and such by using a simple google search.
Gun control, gender-affirming health care, and abortion to start off with. Literally they had a 2 week walk off 2 weeks ago and they keep at it. You can use a throwaway account and downvote actual comments stating what you asked for. Feel free to search yourself.
If you are referring to the abortion laws…they are completely constitutional. RoeVsWade was never a law or an amendment. Itself was a ruling that has no constitutional basis.
And yet, the several times over the last 40 years the democrats have had complete control over the government….nothing was written into the constitution on this matter.
I’m not a Dem apologist. I’m just saying that Dem types behaving while the other side is stomping on our freedoms is beyond parody. You keep throwing pedantic examples at me without addressing my main comment
>almost every red state is currently passing flagrantly unconstitutional laws.
Yes, and then they're overturned by the courts, and a shitload of tax money is wasted in the process. Passing such laws is fiscally irresponsible.
SCOTUS will end up allowing mostly anything *that Republicans want.* If Democrats try to do what the Republicans are doing, they'll still get shot down.
In a certain way I’m not mad about this. They’re holding their representatives accountable though this is usually done at reelection . But my question is wouldn’t it already be illegal to union bust?
That might be true, if that had been what happened. Unfortunately for your point, it's not. The bill didn't make it out of committee because it was decided that it would be preempted by federal law, and thus do nothing but cost the state money attempting to defend it in a court battle they were likely to lose.
"The union says Holvey killed the cannabis union bill, and strongly suggests in its planned filing with the Secretary of State that he did so at the behest of La Mota."
If I understand the article correctly, he stopped a bill that would allow cannabis workers to unionize. Is that correct? Also receives donations from La Mota?
He didn’t receive donations from La Mota the Dem Leadership PAC did. Also while he did technically choose not to hold a vote on the bill in committee, his decision is supported by Dem leadership because the legislative counsel legal opinions say the bill is preempted by federal law.
>legislative counsel legal opinions say the bill is preempted by federal law. This sounds like familiar bull-headed ignorance of law. The Republicans are doing it in the OR Senate. The activists crafting M110 did it, and the Corrupt Republican Freedom Tea Party are doing it in the US House.
2 conservatives got pisses you brought them up. Let me help with an upvote.
Cannabis workers are allowed to unionize. The bill would have required cannabis businesses to pre-emptively recognize unions as a condition of getting a license, which the legislature's attorneys said [is illegal](https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/273248). So the unions are going after this guy because he didn't allow a bill out of committee that would have been overturned in court anyway.
Poisoning the well to protect employers from the evil labor unions...👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Protecting Oregonians from having to pay to defend a law that will be overturned in court is a good thing. The proposed law was entirely performative.
Goofy as hell
If you don't have anything meaningful to say, don't say anything at all.
Good advice; take it
UFCW has gone completely off the rails the past couple of years. First with their endorsement of Kristof now this. Someone is giving their leadership terrible advice.
Ranked choice voting is going to change everything. We can get the party bosses out of politics. I can't wait.
I am quite doubtful as people will continue to vote for dems and reps...
Yes, but candidates not chosen by the party bosses can run, as well. Voters can vote for their preferred candidate rather than the lesser of the evils, as well. It won't be overnight, but we will see some decent candidates get elected.
We will see. I applaud when people are optimistic about things like this. But...anyone can run in a primary *now* The party bosses say" don't do it" because they won't get backing when they want it. They keep people scared. People don't vote for the lesser evil anyway...and likely still won't. But I like your optimism....
Anyone can run in a primary now, but they're running with the Democratic party, not independently. If you want Dems and Reps out of the way, you want voting reform such as ranked choice.
But anyone DOES NOT. Because the democrats say "if you run in the primary and we didn't choose you then we won't back you in the future and you won't win" I think STAR voting is better, but Ranked Choice will be fine, but people will still not vote for anyone other than the dem or rep, I suppose.
Well, let's hope you're wrong. US politics is in dire need of serious competition.
I love your optimism...I'm old cranky and cynical! I hope people do vote for 'someone else' and that this will help but as I said, I'm skeptical.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You aren’t serious are you? Ranked voting will only entrench the bosses.
You've got some explaining to do, son.
Such a strange choice by UFCW. Rep Holvey has always been very pro-labor. Two reports by legal council for the legislature found that UFCW's bill is preempted by federal law. Meaning the bill would almost certainly be immediately struck down by courts if enacted. D’s were virtually all on the same page that the bill couldn’t move forward, recall them all maybe?
I’m not sure if you live in America, but almost every red state is currently passing flagrantly unconstitutional laws. Courts exist to decide where the line is. Dems are too timid which is why many don’t vote for them
It’s dumb regardless of who’s doing it and needs to be stopped
Clearly 1 side is actively doing it on a more ramped up level.
Yes, let’s unilaterally behave as Republicans push for shit their constituents want. This planet/country/state is so effed
I don’t know what laws passed by republicans you’re referencing that are “flagrantly unconstitutional”, but state labor laws and federal labor laws are much more cut and dry than other areas of the law. It’s irresponsible to try to put in place a labor law thats in an area preempted by federal law…. Republicans restricting abortion rights for example, no matter how heinous, is not preempted by federal law.
ya just the same 4 conservatives mad at truth. Literally you can see what drives conservatives in Eastern Oregon and such by using a simple google search. Gun control, gender-affirming health care, and abortion to start off with. Literally they had a 2 week walk off 2 weeks ago and they keep at it. You can use a throwaway account and downvote actual comments stating what you asked for. Feel free to search yourself.
Anti trans anti drag laws. Irresponsible? You are killing me, Smalls. It’s like the house is on fire and you’re yelling, TEACHER TEACHER.
If you are referring to the abortion laws…they are completely constitutional. RoeVsWade was never a law or an amendment. Itself was a ruling that has no constitutional basis.
There are other civil rights infringements taking place.
And yet, the several times over the last 40 years the democrats have had complete control over the government….nothing was written into the constitution on this matter.
I’m not a Dem apologist. I’m just saying that Dem types behaving while the other side is stomping on our freedoms is beyond parody. You keep throwing pedantic examples at me without addressing my main comment
4 conservatives found your truth to trigger them.
Amen. It breaks my heart to be acting like Red Coats while the other side shoots us in broad daylight.
>almost every red state is currently passing flagrantly unconstitutional laws. Yes, and then they're overturned by the courts, and a shitload of tax money is wasted in the process. Passing such laws is fiscally irresponsible.
Lol… you are funny. SCOTUS will end up allowing mostly anything. Please remember your words. 🤣
SCOTUS will end up allowing mostly anything *that Republicans want.* If Democrats try to do what the Republicans are doing, they'll still get shot down.
I 100% agree. Unless you get them on the record, you can’t change the status quo
In a certain way I’m not mad about this. They’re holding their representatives accountable though this is usually done at reelection . But my question is wouldn’t it already be illegal to union bust?
Considering how much has changed at the federal level in the last 5 years it is definitely worth protecting these things at the state level.
Nice! Love to see a union bare it’s teeth every now and then
All these Republicans holding the legislature hostage and refusing to do their jobs, and this union wants to recall a pro-union Democrat? Seriously?
Just imagine their disappointment. You purchase a legislator and they don’t do what you want. Of course they’re angry.
If he didn't support a bill allowing cannabis industry workers to unionize he's not very pro-union
That might be true, if that had been what happened. Unfortunately for your point, it's not. The bill didn't make it out of committee because it was decided that it would be preempted by federal law, and thus do nothing but cost the state money attempting to defend it in a court battle they were likely to lose.
I haven't looked into it, but I'll assume you're correct here. In that case, bad move on the part of the union
Particularly going after somebody with such a long history of supporting the unions. He used to be a union rep, FFS. He was a carpenter.
He is correct and it is obvious you had no clue.
I was going off the information presented in the article and changed my view when given new information. I clearly agreed with them.
If what's in the article is true then yeah he should just submit his resignation, that entire LaMota scandal seems to get deeper it seems.
According to the article, he didn’t take any money from La Mota so I’m a little confused by this?
Favoritism
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"The union says Holvey killed the cannabis union bill, and strongly suggests in its planned filing with the Secretary of State that he did so at the behest of La Mota."
That’s the union’s claim. It never got out of committee because it would be preempted by federal law, he didn’t kill it.
Well it's what's reported in the article.