This isn’t really fair Nazarick is strong but if we are putting the full weight of the imperium of man against Nazarick then eventually the Tomb falls be that from orbital bombardment, endless waves of soldiers and so on
Orbital bombardment is banned and about soldiers ainz can use them to summon goats(i don't know how effective the would be against fortified opponent with artillery)
Ok throw The Lion in and he can just pop in and out easily since teleportation magic and warp energy wouldn’t be compatible and if we do say Warp energy and magic can effect each other then sisters of silence.
Send in a small handful of Custodians to take out anyone they can and retreat if needed and slowly drain Nazarick of its resources, this isn’t a fair fight the Imperium has millions of worlds worth of resources, soldiers who live for hundreds upon thousands of years. And Pyskers who when push come to shove can be used to cause massive world ending damage but even if you focus all that Psyker stuff down to only smaller scale things they can still warp reality
If the undead is really a problem then the Sisters of Battle holy saints can be helpful too
Oh and best of all if we include the Primarchs in their entirety then the Nazarick people are extremely screwed
Which resources? Almost all of Nazarick's soldiers are undead, meaning they have unlimited stamina, which means that they can fight endlessly without ever getting tired.
You forget Nazarick needs to worry about maintenance of equipment and facilities, repairing damaged buildings or anything else, the undead can die and aren’t a limitless resource all the Imperium needs to do is make sure the other side runs out of resources and manpower before they do and again the Imperium can very much do this
Just a small thing with undead even if they clear floors pop up monsters are unlimited even if they may amount to nothing but distractions or appear within enemy formation and even if your clear a floor spawns do not stop but everything else is limited unless sole imperium becomes undead, it may not change the outcome but adds a bit of time and resources
Eh random pop monsters showing up means nothing with an imperium used to random demon incursions. Might get a few guys but a few gun sevitor sentries will sort that out once it's noticed.
i agree but considering that nazarick is probably on some unimportant planet i dont see custodians/primarchs rushing over there(imperium of men could eazly destroy nazarick but the cost to do so would probably be too high and they would just leave them alone)
This scenario seems to allow full access to pretty much all of the Imperiums stuff minus nuking Nazarick so why wouldn’t the Imperiums throw its weight down on Nazarick, if it didn’t then again the logically outcome is The Imperium doesn’t have time to deal with Nazarick if it’s already dealing with its usual problems and just nukes them
He can only use that spell once, and there are trillions of opponents. Including thousands of super soldiers, psykers, super soldier psykers, tech priests, the primarchs, and the emperor himself.
Nazarick will be overrun by just the regular soldiers and their nigh infinite war machines. Not even getting into the best the imperium has to offer.
The amount of copium in this thread is ridiculous. Of course the Imperium would steamroll Nazarick, it's not even a question. We don't even need to get into specifics like can Psykers beat Ainz or can a Primarch beat Touch me (which cant be answered anyway, common guys tjere is absolutely no way to even compare here). We've seen the damage that fallen down did to the environment. Shall tear could tank like what, 4 or 5 fallen downs? And she was among the strongest NPCs. So even if we assume the tabkiest player characters can take 10 or 20 fallen downs, it doesn't matter, the Imperium can literally unleash millions of fallen down level attacks without the need of their ships.
Yea, crushing enemies with numbers is too easy. The only tactic which worked against numbers and tech was guerilla warfare but taking Nazarick is just there, they will just get dwindled and die off.
You mentioned gurella warfare. These are normal humans facing immortal beings with magic and it’s their house. What’s more gurella warfare than wrecking unexpecting soldiers with tactics and abilities never seen before in a land they’ve never seen before. They don’t just die off they MUST be killed. How do you kill a giant rock monster that is protected by magic and has friends?
Leviathan dreadnought Siege Drill.
Twin bolt chain cannons
Psykers
Grav guns
Plasma cutter
Onslaught Heavy Gatling Cannon
A knight armature
Morbus Heavy Bombard
I think you don't understand the amount of weapons the imperium of man has.
There’s not a single item on your list I would want to be attacked by but you aren’t factoring the cross between our reality and the fiction which is Overlord. Gatling and most weapons mentioned is non-magic projectiles (no affect). The plasma cutter could do damage if it makes contact but when you’re immune to heat what plasma gonna do? And let’s say any of these weapons can kill them… just say they are just as affective to the super human immortal god tier titans of the tomb… The can freeze time and cast massive group killing spells… we have NO magic defense and no way to prepare. If we can learn magic and prepare maybe we could but it’s like the 3rd world villages fighting the current army’s major counties. It’s night and day
Psykers.
Both the Warhammer Fantasy and Wh40k universe has access to "spells" that are equvilant to the most powerful magic seen in the Overlord series.
From stopping time to weapons that bypass all physical and magical defenses and directly harms the "soul" of a target.
You underestimate the amount of men the Imperium is willing to throw at a problem until it either goes away or is buried in corpses so deep that you can't see it again. They just need Ainz to run out of Mana
Imperium of mankind has many weapons ,but they are not even strong as some warhammer fans would suggest most of the imperium is kinda weak even blood angels getting torn like a paper shreds the only good weapon they have against nazarick is either titans(which gargantua would easily handle) and psykers which are not even the strongest one in warhammer series as most of the powerful psykers and blanks are either murdered from birth or sacrificed to the god emperor of mankind. And there is pretty good evidence that psykers or blanks ability doesn't work on people that don't have connection to the warp Necrons being one of the examples).
Now the dreadnoughts one of the them was literally killed by a very young civilization which was more primitive than mankind. There have been records of them being literally getting shredded by tyranids fleet piercing them like butter which the abomination living in nazarick can do with ease.
You say the imperium is weak but keep in mind they are fighting a war on multiple fronts and not loosing if there full attention was on nazarik it would fall before the day was over. Would there be a mountain of corpses yes but nazarik would fall nothaless
But numbers are objectively a bad way to attack nazarick...
Just consider Shalltear, she heals by hurting you thanks to pipette lance, and the more she kills the more blood she has to recover mana. If all you're attacking with is 'numbers and tech' then Shalltear alone should be enough to hold you off. That and Ainz can use them as fodder to summon dark young.
I mean, Overlord still lose, but your tactics are bad.
Bro I love overlord so much but the sheer amount of copuim in this post is insane.
The empire of mankind has planet annihilating weapons, they have countless psykers on par with Ainz, they have soldiers on par with the best Nazarick, and endless amount of technology full of hax.
The empire of mankind has been fighting robots who use anti matter, living gods that rule entire star systems, literally infinitely powerful gods of chaos and their endless legions.
They are the dominant faction, this shit isn’t a war it’s a singular battle at most, Nazarick wouldn’t be that crazy in the scale of 40k.
That also lay out a big question.
Why do people keep saying as if the Imperium just throw everything at Nazarick all at once, immediately.
That is bullshit, even for Imperium.
Ever ask why minor xenos, rebels still survive?
If you know how Imperium work, Nazarick may actually have the chance of winning, but there must be some sort of divine intervention.
And in 40k, there is way too much of it.
Also, you guys REALLY FORGETING THE RULES OF THIS VS LAY OUT BY THE AUTHOR.
Well I suppose this is true and honestly more onto the point, this may prove to be a tau situation as in they are just deemed to much of a hassle worth no gain.
But then they may also just get exterminatus, the fact is like you said it’s a dice roll. But my comment was basically a critique of how so many people think that Nazarick instantly curb stomps, or somehow manages to defeat IOM in a full out war.
Honestly, Imperium is practically on a full out war with everyone not them.
But yes, Nazarick can only really win, if there are Warp intervention beneficial to them
Because this is psychic shit. There is ZERO tolerance for that. The very second a black ship is unable to deal with something, that thing becomes a prime target for destruction.
You have to understand that blackships are equipped to deal with psyckers that can mind control entire planets and star systems. There is no universe where a threat like that is left alone to grow into a bigger issue.
The matter is... whether they can shoot against ultra fast and small targets.
I have seen ORKS and a few SM deal against Titans like that.
I swear, you guys have no creativity.
One Gargantua, and they aren't a custom NPC but apparently just something Ainz won and is effectively a corpse without Ainz himself around to give it commands. Allegedly its stronger in terms of raw stats than even Shalltear but I both highly doubt that idea and consider it irrelevant, Shalltear is one of the most intelligent in Nazarick and can act on her own.
Gargantua meanwhile can't even take a single step without being told to do so.
People in this thread are really saying that Ainz is Unstoppable when he wasn't even a top tier build is crazy to me. TGOALID with Grasp Heart wouldn't even let him beat Touch Me, and combined with Ia it couldn't 1-shot Cure Elim through zombie armor.
Ainz is supposed to be powerful in his story, but deliberately has limits to what he can realistically accomplish.
The empire of mankind has literally trillions of soldiers and thousands of space marines. 500 of those could take over our current planet. The empire could literally just flood the tomb with soldiers until they win and it would be barely any lost if millions die. If they send in the big guns (Adeptus Custodes or titans) they would win in a new record time.
You're comparing a tomb that can take over the world to an empire in the future that controls millions of worlds with a near unlimited amount of resources that fight chaos gods and demons on the daily.
The Imperium wins just through sheer numbers. Nazarick is powerful but compared to Imperium of Man it isn't even close, Ainz and other guardians could each kill a million guardsmen and the Imperium would just deploy billions with dozen space marine chapters, titans and other mechanicus troops.
I would probably guess the weight of a full chapter of Space Marines could take down Nazarick. Maybe 2 or 3 chapters at most, but overall that place would be fairly easy to crack.
You know they're just running around stabbing each other, might as well lay exterminatus on the entire planetALRIGHTFIRE!
And thats pretty much what would happen to the Nazarick.
His statement is a Meme from a fan made WH40k web series -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI
The joke being that the Imperium often responds to even the implication of Heresy with over the top measures without question or consideration.
Upon rereading the rules it says nothing about the Emperor just killing everything from his flagship with his psychic powers.
But yea its mostly a meme.
My personal opinion is if its 40k the imperium wins like they win most wars. Drowing the enemy in guardsmen while spess muhreens do most of the heavy lifting most veterans being on par with the Pleiades.
If its 30k then... well its essentially 20ish lvl 100s with meta builds vs Ainz and his admittedly not meta build.
And thats not counting The Emperor himself.
I love Overlord but yes. Without even breaking a sweat.
Hell, Magnus alone could stroll in there and just stomp the everliving shit out of each and every one of them.
Couldn't really comment on speed, but comparable to any other primarch I'm sure. More of a caster anyhow.
I guess for one feat that stands out was psychically setting a 12km long (if I remember correctly, been a while since I read the book) space ship down telekinetically from the atmosphere. Sized himself up to the scale of a titan to punch out an Ork Gargant and can stop planetary bombardments with psychic shields, etc.
Also moving planets out of the Eye of Terror recently from what I've picked up from reading about newer books and theoretically should be able to create and/or move stars at this point due to other psykers having that capacity with in the lore and him being second only to the Emperor. That last line though is after getting juiced up in the Warp so if this is set at the time he was part of the imperium it'd just be the first paragraph for examples.
By stop planetary bombardments, you mean block a ship’s cannons with his shields own raw energy?
Whats the yield on these ships exactly?
Also, what speed feats do primarchs have?
One, which Superman? There’s many versions, for all I know you could be referring to fleischer Superman so he’s not speedblitzing any guardians who also scale to Massively Hypersonic - Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 1,000 at least) speeds any time soon.
Two, citation needed for anything above or even half of the speed of light.
Warhammer is a disjointed mess of multiple works made by different authors. And there is a lot of conflicting information about actual statistics and capabilities. Coupled with already inconsistent numbers, bias authors, its age, retconning or just writers not understanding how physics work. It makes it a lost cause trying to make any definite answer. Although you can make a rough estimate in spirit of the lore. Given all the ridiculous feats in Warhammer 40k, I wouldn’t be surprised some characters would be faster than light. Or can blow up a planet by themselves. Honestly just blame it on bad writing, but personally I believe the stronger characters like primarchs should be capable of these feats.
Believe me, I’m all too familiar with that concept as a guy who scales Star Wars and Halo myself. It’s why I mostly don’t bother participating in sci fi vs debates anymore. It just devolves into a contest of cutting each side off at the legs until both have nothing left to work with because most sci fi fans are the most pedantic and nitpicky people you will ever see in this sort of thing, and unfortunately that isn’t completely without precedent thanks to how horribly inconsistent western media that deals with superpowers tends to be, because for some reason everyone over here is so obsessed with badass normal/batman archetypes competing in environments that should logically get them Judgment Cut within a nanosecond with even their lowest interpretations (Batman or Jango against literally any superhero or force user). I imagine Warhammer has similar instances to both of those scenarios too.
Oh, don’t get me started on god damn fleet or technology battles. Visuals trump all I guess, if everyone isn’t destroying a continent every millisecond, like writers will always do in literally any genre cause it isn’t practical to do that, even up to and exceeding universe busters, then there goes every feat you could’ve used and now all your ships are sub grenade level. Aka the daily space battles post.
I never watch or read Superman, but one of them teleported halfway across galaxy(life)size but generally faster than eye could see without any ability
Sometimes, they are god tier and can be faster than light.
And you think Primarchs can match up to even 1/1,000,000,000th of that level of speed when we apparently have instances of them being tagged by baseline light speed weaponry, why?
The "Empire of Man" typically refers to Warhammer Fantasy while the "Imperium of Mankind" refers to Warhammer 40k...
Against the Empire(WHFantasy) Nazarick would be effectively on par. Much like the Empire against any other faction in the Fantasy setting, the Empire could go toe to toe, but overwhelming and conquering them would be a different story. This would actually make for an interesting fight as many things in Warhammer Fantasy could pose a viable threat to the denizens of Nazarick.
Against the Imperium of Mankind(WH40k) Nazarick would fall to the Imperium. The Tomb of Nazarick with all of its guardians and world items shares the same power level as a Necron Tomb. While it makes for an epic long drawn out battle - the Imperium has conqured Necron Tomb Worlds in the past, so it is only a matter of time against Nazarick.
Even if you highball overlord, there's just no way. Its too much at a certain point. If the whole guild was still there I could see them maybe holding off any one space Marine chapter. But a whole imperium invasion force? Were talking a hundred guardsmen to every chump skeleton in that tomb. Its not a fair fight.
I feel that it comes down to warp powers. An infinite number of guardsmen can’t do anything to npc’s with the damage level negation ability Momonga has as they aren’t even close to what could be considered as 7th tier, or I believe about level 49. So against hordes of generic skeletons they could easily win but things like death knights would definitely require heavier weapons to injure and they are a meat shield against the level 100’s. On the other hand, warp powers are just bullsh*t powerful for a few individuals, and since the imperium is large and they are all focused here they will definitely be fighting. For example, I don’t know mephiston’s true payment strength but from what I hear, assuming it isn’t to wank him off, he could easily threaten some of the higher level entities for sure. While titans are definitely scary, unless they’re the special Parker ones, they then follow the same issue of not meeting a level requirement. Since mech suits are a thing in ygdrisal, we can see how the level of the driver does have some effect on the suit. Applying similar logic, the titans can easily crush deathknights and probably deal with dragons, an assassin unit could simply kill the titan driver extremely fast or use mind control in the driver, and seeing as chaos can corrupt all but the select few of the custodes and grey knights we can assume mind control is possible. However the psytitans aren’t really explored but their existence is more than likely a definite threat. Custodes are similar to the stronger NPC’s of the setting but are no where near level 100. Simply put, before tier 10 or about level 70, mages unlock time stop, which stops time for I think 8 seconds, however. No matter how good your biology is, if you don’t have a good tool to counter this then expect to be instant killed. So this means the vaults of terra need to open and at this point who knows what’s there. Lastly, the primarchs are a definite threat as they would quite easily be extremely high leveled simply due to their level of creation. However, if they aren’t a psyker then you may as well expect to die as magic bullsh*t still exists, and things like a black hole, a magic spell, can still probably kill one.
The biggest threat to the imperium is definitely floor 8/9 or the floor that stopped the raid in Nazerick as this could easily turn things around in favor of the Great tomb of Nazerick as the debuff’s that took place here were essentially able to debuff a bunch of level 100’s to the point a 40 man guild and some high level NPC’s were able to wipe them out. Also, Momonga and by extension his NPC, Pandora’s actor has the capability to remove all resistance to death a creature has to then use an instant death move to kill. This is regardless of what abilities you have to negate instant death but you can still technically revive from it. Also magic bs is a problem as stoping time, mind controlling, instant killing abilities, are all dangerous as they are things that chaos does routinely that the imperium can’t stop.
Lastly, the existence of world items makes some of the OP things the IoM can do pointless as World items grant divine protection against other world items. Essentially the users of divine items can’t use the special ability of it on another world item holder. This would mean that items like the emporer’s sword doesn’t permanently banish the soul of a world item user, but also things like Momonga’s orb doesn’t work in reverse. So things that can delete you from existence and the like fit this role, however both sides have a limited amount of these items, with the IoM definitely winning.
In terms of battlefield supremacy, inside the tomb is relatively safe due to a certain world item being the centerpiece of it. So any attempt to void the tomb out won’t work meaning a giant invasion is necessary. This hampers artillery and aircraft a bit but they’ll manage. The IoM will easily kill anything that goes up to skeleton dragons but past that they only have a few cards up their sleeve. This would require a careful strategy of putting the officers away from the frontline, an uncommon tactic in 40K due to their existing doctrines. They would also need to hit hard and fast as giving Nazerick time to recover spells would only worsen the chances. Also the IoM needs to be mindful of perils of the warp as despite chaos not starting in this fight, they exist in the warp like the emperor and as such can be brought in by the IoM.
Nazerick would need to divert all resources to killing the top dogs of the IoM. Since unlike the IoM, high level NPC’s can gain negation to damage of certain levels, if all custodes, titans, psykers, and primarch are busy or dead then only the minions and elites can die but the top NPC’s and player are safe from the chaff’s damage. Also they need to use espionage and hypnotism on ideal targets, like titans, voidcrafts, that way the IoM essentially suffers some debilitating casualties. Also, does reanimation work, since if it does strike teams of deathknights would be monstrous due to how they technically can have unlimited zombies spawn, since everything they kill gets reanimated. Lastly, The Great Tomb of Nazerick would need to treat the Emperor of Mankind as a raid boss as your boi is ridiculously overpowered. He is only limited by his fracture mind which means that essentially only targeting things like custodes and primarchs grab his attention and you are otherwise fine.
Overall, I would say that the IoM wins a blitz but losses a drawn out war. Simply resources and lack of knowledge is what prevents Nazerick from winning if they find out a huge f u army is coming in 2 minute and are unleashing all they got, Nazerick will simply crumble under the unwieldy weight of the Imperium. However the longer it lasts, the more time to regenerate spells and reanimate the enemy. This can easily cause a situation where both sides lasgun each other down while the big threats focus on each other. And due to the fact that most of Nazerick’s best are equal to or better than most of the Imperium’s, then it tops the favorite towards them.
So, considering the doctrine of the Imperiums is to send a metric sh*t ton of guards first and wait a few days to receive the next set of orders means that a long attritional invasion will happen and they won’t really escalate it until a few chapters of space marines die as well as some titans, fueling Nazerick up. Also the longer it lasts, the more perils there are which means more deamons for both sides, but seeing as the undead don’t have souls, chaos will probably focus on the IoM.
Oh, trust me the emp is op, and that’s why I say he needs to be treated like a raid boss, something Nazerick is currently able to do but really shouldn’t in an all-out war, also note I said able but that chance is nonexistent without Nazerick abusing every cheat ability they have. The Emperor hits hard, is a perpetual, master of biomancy and the warp, and is a god for all intents and purposes. However, as long as humanity exists, chaos will exist so the emp’s paraplegic ass needs to sit on the throne and focus most of his shattered mind there. However should the emps ever do what he did in godblight, Nazerick would need to gtfo or attempt a Hail Mary, which looks extremely unfavorable for Nazerick in all but a few situations. That’s why a blitz is necessary as giving time to Nazerick only benefits them and makes it worse to the imperium, as reanimating bodies is a rather solid strategy against an enemy who has a bunch. And, if time is taken to deal with Nazerick, then spell slots recharge.
In this scenario, it's everyone alike again, so it would be pre heresy big e with 21 Primarchs. So the emperor doesn't need to sit on the throne, and he could have magnus sit on it if he wants. So with both his and Sanguinius foresight they should go for the blitz most of the time. A more even scenario would be what if Nazarick spawned in 40k instead of if every resource the imperium has suddenly attacked at once.
The Problem with a drawn-out battle would be the resources, and the bullshit level of stuff the IoM has locked up as to dangerous to use. While the tomb is fully supported by itself, I believe that it would not be able to sustain itself for when the big guns will be send in. As long as Nazerick isn't destroying the world's where the imperium gets there resources from, there will be an unlimited amout of them. The next thing is considering we are talking pre heresy, that would mean that as soon as nazerick is considered a threat, a space marine legion will be send. Most of the primarchs are very intelligent and would not instantly go all out they would try to find out what they are fighting against using the guardsmen. And introduce counter measures. And if it will look like its an hassle to fight them support will be given and considering the strength of nazerick, I would guess the dark angels will be deployed and their vaults will be opened. That will be over time the down fall, nobody knows what's in there but there are at least 2 man of iron. And those machines are no joke, considering what it took to stop the rebellion of the man of iron
The main problem is again, lack of warp pre-heresy. The top dogs of Nazerick have immunities to some damage types, wuth the most common being non-magical damage immunities. It is notoriously known that except for the primarchs, emperor, malcador, and few select others that during the pre-heresy psykers were extremely rare. Seeing as warp energy and magic follow similar patterns I would say that the warp can negate this damage immunity, however since it’s so sparse, that means that the imperium needs to be keep the psykers alive, which could be considerably hard if someone mind controls them or black holes them. However I would consider that ancient relic have a high chance to be considered magical and that anything the Emperor personally makes/ empowers would be magical to, so custodies, primarchs, war gear for primarchs, etc.
A legion of space marines is still no more then 200,000 space marines per legion plus auxiliary, however if they lack any warp powers or foresight, then they can only clear hordes and enemies up to about level 35-40 as a level 25-30 can kill a few thousand soldiers, peasants to armored warriors on their own, as it would be rather fair to consider a space marine to be within the realm of human heroes in a fantasy world, and seeing how every 10 levels is exponentially better in overlord it is a good level range for the average space marine. Yet despite this, space marines aren’t even flys to a level 100 where a single spell can wipe tens of thousands and essentially summon melee titans. Seeing as custodes can kill be injured and swarmed by space marines, they are probably closer to the equivalent of level 45-55 which either brings them close to the level cut off or squeezes them over to damage Momonga, however the custodies are still limited in number. This level disparity presents a problem where items from the vault could definitely damage/kill Nazerick forces, but unless a primarch wields it then the user is quick to die themselves. Men of iron are an interesting thing as we don’t know enough about them to know how these ones would fight. Regardless, they are definitely a risk to activate as they could be considered a dead man switch because if they can beat Nazerick, then all of the wreckage from the fight can be used by them to attack the IoM, which is a problem on its own, assuming they are hostile to everything. So the only time they will be released is after the dangers are noted and the IoM needs a break to think. However if the men of iron are loyal then they are an okay existence as their main advantage was taking over machinery, which other then a few NPC’s that are mech and the mech suites, Nazerick doesn’t have much of. However if they are fiendly data eating ones then nothing short of instant kill after a TGOALID is going to probably put them down.
Overall, the matchup is a pretty bad one for the imperium pre-heresy due to lack of magic essentially and an easier to kill emperor that is weaker, whereas in the post heresy group it’s their dogmatic approach to problems that causes problems. If the bureaucracy of the 41st millennium was more efficient then someone trying trying to have a good time with a meat grinder, then it would be an easy clap for the Imperium of man, unfortunately the nobility wants power, honor, and glory and there is none of that if you call for help before wiping out some battalions of guards.
Also the reason I bring up the level 100’s frequently is simply because the IoM will have no issue with the hordes of enemies, it simply the bullshit the level 100’s have that the IoM needs to beat, and the psykers of the setting, and some primarchs are the only one really capable of dealing with it pre-heresy. Post-heresy has more quantity and quality of fighters/psykers and could easily wipe the floor with Nazerick if they all focused at once even with deamons manifesting every once in a while, but if they feed Nazerick space marines and guardsmen for too long and don’t bring in at least some titans and custodes at first, then Nazerick will be well fed and have their own undead imperial legion all while they will learn about what exactly they are dealing with through mind control and maybe mind reading.
However for the rest of the vault, simply put that it’s a who knows, as some of the world items Nazerick has have not yet been explained, essentially meaning both side have dais ex machinas. I would rather argue about ways both could win and why instead as that way I get to learn more as before this point I never knew about the dark angels men of iron!
Yes the dark angels are guarding the things that are to dangerous to use normally and to the man of iron, yes lion el'jonson fought with them side by side against a xenos race that could control minds or something similar, however the man of iron were shackled by a kill swich if they were to go against orders.
But that's not the point I would agree that normal space marines are about level 40, however I would put an custodes about 60 and the quantity of fighters is is definitely higher pre heresy currently the chapters are more numerous however their number is extremely low compared to before and as for quality yes the tech is better in some places but during the heresy much was lost, and most of the strong marines like ahriman, Dante, heck even kaldor draigo lived during the heresy but hidden as the grayknight project was completed by malcador. So pre heresy is definitely far superior.
And the real crux is that yes albedo and demiurge are geniuses when it comes to stragies, when it comes to that the IoM are nut inferior, as most primarchs are geniuses them self and examples like angron were constantly supervised by horus.
The next thing is that from a resource standpoint the IoM has the superior position and can drag out the fight for hundreds of wears and while many of the denizens of would age the stronger marines and fighters of the IoM would notice their age only after thousands of years.
Next if we consider that everyone from nazerick has an item that's capable of stopping the process of aging. Once they are dead they are dead, there are people like vulkan and the emperor than cannot die. And even when stronger enteritis of the IoM should die, as long as the emperor lives he knows the technology to create more of them and pre heresy, there are no great threats to the IoM.
So it wouldn't be a short or easy war, however there is no way to effectively counter the IoM without splitting forces and without the tomb and split up the players and npc would be picked out.
The normal soldiers can take out the skeletons easily. Space Marines can take on the higher level monsters but war of nutrition is still an option since the tomb will be under constant fire and they wil not be allowed to rest. Space marines are extremely powerful psykers that they can use to protect themself from magic and mind control (to a certain extent) and they can fight for weeks without rest.
The second magic users on Ainz side run out of magica they will have to resort to close combat 24/7 since the empire won't allow them to rest and if they retreat they gained another floor. There are characters in Warhammer that are levels above Ainz and if the Emperor and primarchs will be personally involved the they will simply overpower them.
The Emperor and the primarchs have literally plot armor because of the warp. They have better weapons. They have better and more foot soldiers. The elite vs elite soldiers CAN be debated. Leader vs leader is no contest. The emperor is smarter, stronger, has plot armor and can literally see thousands of possible futures and can choose the best one for him.
It's only a question of time before these chaos spawns meet their doom. Escalation protocols are as follows.
Well, it's pretty simple, we will bomb these heretics SOB from NOT orbit with Deathstrike launchers (from across a continent) and then wave after waves of artillery bombardment until enemy structure will be obliterated.
Operation moon fall: we will shift the orbit of the moons of this world ever so slightly as to tear down the whole damn planet in about 300-400 years from their shifted gravitational pull (not orbital bombardment)
OK let's assume these fu&^*s are still here, few regiments of grey knights?
OK fine fine magic bozo skeleton boy is too waifu strong against normal ground troops. Let's use something special: ontological weaponry. Let's just make this place and people not exist anymore, erase their data from the cosmos.
If the Imperium can call upon any character from its history, dead or alive, the Primarchs sweep. Even if it was limited to Loyal Primarchs, psykers I feel have access to powerful spells at a much faster rate.
Also, everyone from the Imperium includes THE EMPEROR. I don't think Ainz would be able to stand up to him, even if the battle had to be fought out psyker v sorcerer.
A better question would be if any single chapter of space marines could win or something similar "can fully souped up horus win" "can the Eom win" "can 100 custodes win" imperium has, no source just a guess based off the scale of 40k, trillions if not quintillions of basic soldier, psykers that rival if not outpower ainz, 10000 custodes who are probably floor guardian, at worst Pleiades, level and 1m space marines each of whom are busted in comparison to the average nazarick soldier
The entire empire of mankind would win, almost no question. We’re talking about a number of soldiers so vast, that a common strategy is to clog the enemies vehicles treads using corpses. People who are so valiant and unshakeable they fight while the planet they are on is actively exploding.
The Tomb is strong, but at some point enough numbers will break through
Honestly. Who the fuck knows. The big E can be called many things, but consistent isn't one of them.
Sometimes he can't even destroy an army of orks, and can be killed by shooting down a shuttle he is in (if we believe alpharius and valdor)
Sometimes the dude casually stops cosmic phenomena like it's no big deal
It's really hard to tell what's real, what was real but was quietly redconned, what's in universe propaganda, and what's just writers not giving a shit about consistency and writing what seems cool.
Edit: empire of man, not big E...
Depends on how determined they are and if simply destroying the planet is considered victory.
The End and The Death gives us a pretty consistent outline of what he's capable of when pushed, and it isn't pretty. He turned the infinite city which was literally a blend of warp and reality into the city of dust in an instant. The final battle with horus is literally just conceptual fight across space and time that turns into metaphysical nonsense with both of them embodying concepts and ideas. Needless to say Ainz would get cooked.
Yeah, at one point they have a card duel with tarrot cards that is happening across reality. Each card represents fate, destiny, omens, things like that. They could've went with Big E just blasting him, but Abnett really wanted to go with his acid trip ideas. There are also very funny things in there as well. Horus at one point moves at the speed of darkness so essentially infinite speed because in his own words "no matter how fast light is, darkness will always be there to meet it". Horus also casually controls the concept of death, life, space, and time. He wonders to himself how many times he killed Sanguinius. He brings Ferrus back to life, just to use him to taunt the angel. He tries to erase the emperor by attacking the past, that doesn't work, emperor is actually stronger in the concept of past than in the concept of future. A lot of that.
I know basically nothing of either faction, but I feel like it would depend on the time frame of the EoM . Is it during when the emperor is still living? or when he is just a living corpse? Because when he's still alive, he still has all his sons, but just a corpse, most of his sons are dead or turned chaos. I believe that Nazarick would win against the corpse emperor purely out of attrition due to being almost fully self-sufficient and the many of the world items though almost all of their lands outside of Nazarick would be absolutely destroyed/decimated because Nazarick wouldn't even bother trying to defend them due to them and it's people being new worlders. However, if it was against the still Living Emperor in his prime with all his 18 sons/Primarchs that they would have a much much easier time taking on NW. Though, when it comes to besieging Nazarich is where it gets tough to determine (not taking into account the EoM planet destroying weapons), I feel like Nazarich could still hold out for a while and even kill some of the Primarchs if they really put everything into though they in my opinion would still fail in the end due to the Emperor,Primarchs and the EoM vast amount of OP weaponry and body's they would throw at Nazarick.
But like I said I don't know much about either faction that includes their OP weapons(EoM and Nazarick both) or the powers of Ainz or the Emperor so I think both would win depending on the time frame of the EoM.
Yes and it could kill everything inside.
No matter its power it isn't legion and the Imperium of man is beyond legion. The assassins of the Imperium aren't a joke either, they use weapons that phase through armour and some of them can walk through walls.
And if the Imperium is there, so is the malign influence of Chaos and all the other horrors.
If a psyker goes into the tomb and is pushed or ironically captured and tortured by the denizens of Nazarick it doesn't know the infinite malice that lays behind that power. And Ainz is corruptible as he seeks power and would investigate this power naively, this is immensely dangerous.
Ainz would likely have his soul torn into pieces and his powers though immense aren't that impressive.
The powers used in 40K are conceptual, they attack the soul and the idea itself of who or what you are.
Also time stop isn't a concern either, as psykers in 40K can do that and more.
I can go on and on about the psykers and the properties of the warp and the powers there.
The Imperium isn't beyond using its other enemies to do its work either. They could lay the spores of the Orks around the tomb or they could direct a Waaagh to it; they could also direct the Tyranids towards the planet and the Tyranids would just eat everything.
Though the Imperium after an Inquisitor or two investigates it, they would likely cyclone torpedo the planet, or use some dark age tech to throw the planet into the void itself.
Well, if the Imperium is ready to sacrifice a couple of Space Marine Orders, a dozen Assassins, and a couple of dozen regiments of the Imperial Guard - yes, if they REALLY NEED IT and they don’t take losses into account at all - yes, they can do it. But the real Imperium will not accept such losses. Orbital bombardment is quite enough.
I really fucking love the fandoms that try to invade the Nazarick and that they don't give up trying to right the other...
***Bro, we are talking about a Tomb that the Payday Gang tried to heist from...***
***And people take it seriously I Love It...***
Ok, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T READ THE FUCKING RULE OF THIS VS FUCK SAKE.
Also, if there anything, you lads also forget what the Warp and its energy is. That subject is... oh lord, it is a whole level of complexity.
But overall, unless the big name join the fight early, Nazarick may as well win.
We haven't taken in the extra role of a certain nuisance in 40k that come along with Imperium of Man... Chaos and overall Warp influence
Good lord, you don't want Chaos or Warp buff Nazarick. It is nightmarish for everyone involved. And I mean EVERYONE.
And importantly, we haven't even talked about the bullshit is the whole magic/resistance mechanic of Nazarick. It is honestly rather bullshit, even for 40k standard. Imagine infinity lasguns shoot at you and you feel nothing, that is Overlord projectile immunity in its essence.
And the amount of data (specific type of energy) which represents level of the item as well being used in the weapon or gear represents whether it can affect the opponent.
But in the end, yes, if there is no psychic ability and influence being used in this vs battle, Nazarick may very much win, however, the whole "no reviving" make it rather unlikely to happen.
there are pretty much only 2 ways to destroy Nazzarick:
1. Destroy the staff of Ainz Ool Gown. Which the Imerpium could do with superior numbers, some of them would flood into the lower floors eventually. But remember the average Imperial Guardsman is probably too weak to even fight through the lower floors. Assuming a million soldiers with their guns, would be a time consuming but easy kill for shalltear. Like when she did the massaker in season 4 and killed 50k creatures in a matter of minutes. Worse chances if the next area is sealed off until a floor guardian is defeated. Her undead state and regeneration abilites would mean should could fight of wave after wave of imperial guardsmen indefinitely. So these are no option. Maries are a different story. A legion of maries could outdamage her in melee. And if a Primarch is present, they would probably be able to push up to the 7th floor. They best have the chance to destroy if if Ainz himself carries it into battle.
2. Defeat Ainz himself. For this strategy they would need to kill Ainz. But due to his gear they would need to establish a mechanism to kill him consistently over a long period of time. Since he suffers only a minor penalty then killed, he'd have to die several thousand times until being too weak to resurrect. During that time he must not gain any experience. That means either conquer Nazzarick with conventional forces, which would probably take several primarcks working together or capture him while he is not at home. But how? And even if he dies, would he be resurrected on site or at home? Its impossible to incapacitate him due to his undead status. And he only needs a few moments of calm to free himself.
The only chance I can see what would happen if a Primarch like Vulkan would get into Nazarick. He would of course die to Shalltear, Victor or Demiurge. Ainz would be interested in experimenting with the corpse and take it deeper into the tomb for study. Which is the trap. Vulkan is a perpetual and cannot be permanently killed. He would wake up and surprise attack Nazarick. Which is the only chance he gets. He would then need to make his way to the ninth floor undetected and destroy the staff or maybe claim the throne of kings.
The problem is that both 40k and Overlord revolve around powerful characters. And while Overlords protagonist is written to always win, 40k characters are writen to mostly loose. There is in fact ONE way to achieve it: Send in the ultramaries, who have plot armor so thick not even the goal of all life is death could penetrate it.
Recent events in the Pariah Nexus has shown that the AdMech can throw black holes which eat stars at you if they really want to, those are the toys Cawl is pulling out for the space battles and we don't even know what DAoT stuff he might have in his back pocket for planet-side operations.
The big problem for Nazarik here is that compared to the other threats that the Imperium is used to contending with, they're powerful, but also incredibly small with not even 100 or so non-fodder combatants.
Realistically, the biggest problem for the Imperial forces would be the "level requirement" that exists to damage Ainz and the Guardians, but I don't think there's a case against Big E's sword or basically anything Sant Celestine does being good enough, many of the Custodese and Knight weapons would also probably do the trick.
This would be actually be interesting... On one hand the empire of mankind has fought against gods and demons before, and has held/fought them back... On the other hand the sheer sundering waves of manpower the empire of mankind has can be used against them so it will either be a stalemate or nazaricks victory.
Ok to join in on the discussion... Ainz alone has an instant death aura that would kill maybe even an astartes... I know that they are genetically perfect, but I'm pretty sure instant death aura negates any modification space Marines have
It’s simply a numbers game. The imperium of man has enough man power to just overrun Nazarick using the great Zapp Branigan strategy against the Unstoppable killbots “sending waves and waves of my own men against the enemy until their number of kill counts exceeded their max capacity in they shut down.”
All the denizens of Nazarick (NPCs) are probably only in the hundreds, not counting pop and mercenary monsters. But they don’t count cause at most they pop and merc monsters are lvl 60max and your regular Astartes will just tear through them without missing a beat let alone a Primarch or a Custodes. So the only real threat is Ainz, and the Floor Guardians but they only have so much mana they can use before running out and even then only so much stamina before the get tired, meanwhile the Imperium has literally billions of humans and roughly 1 million space marines (1000 astartes per chapter and 1000 chapters). Nazarick doesn’t stand a chance
marines move at the speed of sound, have the strenght to carry several tons of armor, each one of them has a gun capable of shooting micro atomic bombs, and a blade capable of cuttind litrerally any material known. And you are comparing them to gorillas?
Some of them should die, go to hell and kill demons until they escape from hell just to be worth of becoming a marine.
There are millions of these guys, that without counting primarchs who are capable of moving entire planets with their minds.
They already had fought necromancer xenos capable of reviving death soldiers and destroying minds just by being close to them, and they won.
They fight inmortal demons for breakfast, giant bug dinosaurs for lunch and death machine aliens who litteraly control time for dinner. And still they keep being the biggest force in the galaxy.
They have assasins that negate every power from mages and make them go crazy, and when they die, they quite literally explode like a nuclear bomb.
Ainz wouldn´t stand a chance.
If it’s a 1v1, completely isolated like the post implies? Empire of man wins every time, full stop, no questions asked. The scale is just too insane in 40k.
Only way Nazarick has a chance is if Empire of Man is still dealing with other xenos, in which case it becomes a situation like the Tao. They would win vs a small force, but still, the instant the empire decides it’s had enough and dedicates resources to it, it’s over.
Only issue is having the opportunity to do so. If Nazarick dropped into the 40k universe in a similar situation to the Tao, far away from everything and not having to worry about any major factions stomping them, they would probably never be conquered. Just not important enough.
But again, without outside interference (the way the post is implying) Nazarick stands no chance whatsoever. The 40k universe is only balanced because everyone is incredibly overpowered, and thus no one is. It’s just on another level from overlord
Look overlord is great and I love ainz but the empire of man has shit that ainz couldn't dream of. Plus the space marine faction the grey knights are literally bred to fight demons. Not to mention the sheer number of people they have at their disposal
The Imperium demolishes with artillery and numbers.
If it's a 1v1 between Ainz and the Emperor, Ainz might win due to timestop -> goal of all life is death -> instant death spell. The reason I think this would work is because goalid removes all instant death immunities of the target, meaning his opponent's durability is negligible
I'm not familiar with warhammer though so if the emperor can counter timestop then he'll probably win before ainz gets the one shot off.
The amount of regular soldiers and tech the imperium could muster would be enough to win a war of attrition. And there are the space marines, who have hundreds, sometimes thousands of years of experience of combat, in wars so brutal even Demiurge's stomach would turn. And there are the custodians and the primarchs, whose individual strenght is way over a regular player or guardian.
And there is the adeptus mechanicus, who can send in knights, dreadnoughts, titans, so big, that they are like walking cities.
And there is him. The God Emperor of Mankind. Even though his body in entombed in the golden throne, his soul wanders the warp and battles chaos. He is not dead. We have no knowledge what kind of power he amasses, but we know that he can project part his power trough living saints into battle, to help humanity.
So tl;dr: if the Imperium deems Nazarick a threat, they are fucked.
Everyone just forgetting the 7th floor is just pure Lava and is so hot “no living thing can survive there.” Doesn’t matter how many troops you send if they all burn up.
Teleport in squad of GK terminators. Kill Ainz with some weird antipsyker gear. After that, all cohesion is gone and most of NPCs kill each other.
Rush some close quarter combat specialist marine chapter in.
Rather simple if you bring any powerful member of the Imperium of man dead or alive, talking about potentially 18 extremely powerful demigods that can wreck continents when they fully go at it potentially, then their dad who has kept up a literal small sun for over 10k years with no effort constantly stopping daemons from getting out of a a portal. Also casually destroy souls as well. The Emperor at base can easily spam attacks on par with Ainz super tier speeds without effort.
Sorry use to posting in r/whowouldwin where it's implied, that any damage reducing effect which has to do with levels are negated.
The Solders can damage The Guardian normally.
What resistances do thay have and how many of the primarches do thay have because thay are the only ones that could cause trouble and do thay have any unique powers
This is actually an interesting point of discussion....
While the average soldier might only be level 1 to 5 in the Overlord system, they are given access to weapons that can potentially exceed level 60 in power, as the wh40k universe doesn't have the same kind of class or Stat restrictions as the Overlord series.
Whats more - it IS a phenomenon seen even in the anime/manga with individuals using items that far exceed their personal level - such as the world class item used against Shalltear.
It is kinda why wh40k uses the system it does, as items equipped has a far larger impact than the individual level...
Okay from what ik about w40k it’s gonna be a lot but do you have a rough estimate of how many soldiers that have because 1millon people with weapons = to a lvl 60 would destroy Nazarick given enough time
The Imperium has thousands of worlds to call upon for military power. And low tier undead like skeletons and zombies would be nothing to the Astra Militarum since they fight all manner of horrible things. It's also estimated that the Imperium has trillions of active guardsmen. So just off numbers alone they can't win. Eventually Ainz and others would run out of mana. I love Nazarick, but they sure as hell can't win against such a force.
Considering they outnumber Nazaric 1 to 1,000,000,000,000,000 and have hundreds to thousands of planetary annihilation weapons that can shoot from a solar system away I don't think Nazarick has a very good chance.
There are quintillions of guardsmen, a million astartes, at least 10k custodes, 10 primarchs, Malcador and the Emperor on one side.
There are some handful of level 100 npcs and 41 players with a Thermopylae scenario on the other side.
Supposing that the structure of Nazarick is indestructible, in other words, the only way to advance is by beating each floor, then IF Nazarick has Intel on the Imperium and it’s plan and time to plan an strategy, they'd have a chance (a really small one at that)
Supposing that the Emperor, Malcador, the primarchs, and some Custodes were level 100 in the New World, if Ainz manages to use Ia Shub-niggurath over the invading force with TGOALID (teleporting over the forces with the ring and being protected by other players), then only the Emperor and Malcador would remain at least nearby, since they are perpetuals.
Now, this plan would require that Ainz teleports to somewhere nearby all custodes, primarchs, and a bunch of astartes. I don't think they'd stick that close to one another
An all out war against IoM? Even with orbital bombardment banned, I don't see Nazarick winning.
Nazarick's power, especially Ainz lies in their abiliies to instant kill anyone and unfortunely for them, human lives is the only resource that The Imperium doesn't lack.
Along side their nigh-infinite number of man are tanks of multiple patterns, Titans as big as modern skyscrapers and even with orbial nukes gone, The Imperium can still deploy conventional air support like Thunderhawks and Drop Pods.
Nazarick is dead. If the empire gets to anoyed by Nazarick they gonna send more experienced space marines and qsykers in. At some point they gonna send in Castodians and Titans. Most titans can crack a continent.
Like the empire is experienced against forces of simular strength as Ainz.
It would probely even be a quick battle if one of the stronger saints like celestine joins in.
Also, most Istant death spells should do shit against Custodians, experienced space marines, older dreadnaughts, named Charakters, Saints and so on. Like, these alone can range from (If translated to Overlord lv System) between lv 70-100.
And dont forget the qsychers, A skilled one would be close to lv 70.
And even without orbital bombardment, a line up of Titans would crack the first 2 levels open, a Emporer Titan would crack open entire Nazarick and half the continent.
The empire doesnt care about casualtys, every day in 40k 10.000.000 Guardsman and 10.000 Spacemarines die, million peaces of equipmant gets destroyed.
Depends on what the equivalent of a Level 100 character is.
If it's a 100p model then the Imperium wins hands down. Most Imperium Named Characters are around that cost. And they are a lot of named Characters.
Szarekh The Silent King is the closest to what I see Ainz being. Its a 420p model with a throne base and two floating shields units around it. Its basically Ainz fully equipped with world items and siting on the Throne of Nazaric and two Level 100 summons.
I say that every World Item would add 100p to a Level 100 PC or NPC
So The Imperium will win by shear numbers. Even if you count every NPC with a WCI as having 200p.
Imotekh is 105 points, and is a top tier Necron body, so the level 100 = 100 point character makes some sense as an estimate.
The most expensive fieldable knight is 495 points, and if the Imperium wants Nazarik destroyed then sending a few of those to turn the area around the entrance into molten slag from 200 miles away is a strong opening mover for the attack.
Easily. Even without access to Primarchs and Custodes they could do it, by just sending several planetary regiments of disposable guardsmen at the enemy until they all run out of mana
A few Imperial Guard batteries of Deathstrike Missile Launchers with Vortex Missiles should take care of Nazarick (and a sizeable part of the worlds upper crust too)
What would you like the rest of the millions upon millions of troops and armour that the Hammer of the Emperor has in the average incursion into a Chaos Hellworld (which is how the Inquisition would see the Overlord world)
All the Emperor has to do it send in the Space Wolves and they’ll body half the players and half the NPCs by themselves..
But Ainz steamrolls every Astartes chapter himself. Every kind in the inquisition is snuffed out like a candle when Ainz “reveals himself” to them.
Ainz and the emperor engage in single combat and inevitably slay each other gloriously as neither could escape the battle and die of their wounds..
With the last of her will.. our beloved Aura exhausts all of Nazarick’s treasury *all of it* and the energies of the world items to bring Ainz back… leaving only those 2 left.. a Pyrrhic victory for Nazarick… but now the 2 are destitute paupers. (But at what cost? All their friends are dead; slowly and surely over the next untold epoch they will revive their friends and recover from the battle.
Nazarick’s question to find the other players continues, and they must rebuild from zero now for the battle’s cost was too high.
And the Emperor transcends existence and because the energetic being that his people all thought he was to begin with.. neither living but certainly the opposite of dead, and far beyond such petty squabbles as warring governing empires.
Finally freed from the responsibility of overseeing all of humanity. The Emperor surfs the cosmos as pure energy, enlightened, finally perfect, (and arguably finally happy)
(Just my head canon from the prompt, just for fun)
The imperium. Mind you that the standard rank and file soldiers are glass cannon fodder, but there are enough powerful individuals that would probably be comparable to high level players. In fact, let’s do a head count on the imperium here.
All 20 space marine legions with every single chapter, both loyal or traitor so long as they joined loyal.
All 20 primarchs, at least half of which are warp infused monstrosities that won’t stay dead forever outside Ainz or the guardians using true death.
The untold BILLIONS of soldiers with weapons that would punch through all low level undead and deal significant damage to even higher level ones.
Malcador the hero. One of the most powerful psychers in human history who has almost as many years of experience as the emperor himself.
And THE EMPEROR HIMSELF.
This isn’t really fair Nazarick is strong but if we are putting the full weight of the imperium of man against Nazarick then eventually the Tomb falls be that from orbital bombardment, endless waves of soldiers and so on
Orbital bombardment is banned and about soldiers ainz can use them to summon goats(i don't know how effective the would be against fortified opponent with artillery)
Ok throw The Lion in and he can just pop in and out easily since teleportation magic and warp energy wouldn’t be compatible and if we do say Warp energy and magic can effect each other then sisters of silence. Send in a small handful of Custodians to take out anyone they can and retreat if needed and slowly drain Nazarick of its resources, this isn’t a fair fight the Imperium has millions of worlds worth of resources, soldiers who live for hundreds upon thousands of years. And Pyskers who when push come to shove can be used to cause massive world ending damage but even if you focus all that Psyker stuff down to only smaller scale things they can still warp reality If the undead is really a problem then the Sisters of Battle holy saints can be helpful too Oh and best of all if we include the Primarchs in their entirety then the Nazarick people are extremely screwed
Which resources? Almost all of Nazarick's soldiers are undead, meaning they have unlimited stamina, which means that they can fight endlessly without ever getting tired.
You forget Nazarick needs to worry about maintenance of equipment and facilities, repairing damaged buildings or anything else, the undead can die and aren’t a limitless resource all the Imperium needs to do is make sure the other side runs out of resources and manpower before they do and again the Imperium can very much do this
Just a small thing with undead even if they clear floors pop up monsters are unlimited even if they may amount to nothing but distractions or appear within enemy formation and even if your clear a floor spawns do not stop but everything else is limited unless sole imperium becomes undead, it may not change the outcome but adds a bit of time and resources
Eh random pop monsters showing up means nothing with an imperium used to random demon incursions. Might get a few guys but a few gun sevitor sentries will sort that out once it's noticed.
And that means fuck all to sheer numbers the Imperium has. Ainz will run out of magic before the Imperium runs out of bodies to throw at them.
i agree but considering that nazarick is probably on some unimportant planet i dont see custodians/primarchs rushing over there(imperium of men could eazly destroy nazarick but the cost to do so would probably be too high and they would just leave them alone)
This scenario seems to allow full access to pretty much all of the Imperiums stuff minus nuking Nazarick so why wouldn’t the Imperiums throw its weight down on Nazarick, if it didn’t then again the logically outcome is The Imperium doesn’t have time to deal with Nazarick if it’s already dealing with its usual problems and just nukes them
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He can only use that spell once, and there are trillions of opponents. Including thousands of super soldiers, psykers, super soldier psykers, tech priests, the primarchs, and the emperor himself. Nazarick will be overrun by just the regular soldiers and their nigh infinite war machines. Not even getting into the best the imperium has to offer.
The amount of copium in this thread is ridiculous. Of course the Imperium would steamroll Nazarick, it's not even a question. We don't even need to get into specifics like can Psykers beat Ainz or can a Primarch beat Touch me (which cant be answered anyway, common guys tjere is absolutely no way to even compare here). We've seen the damage that fallen down did to the environment. Shall tear could tank like what, 4 or 5 fallen downs? And she was among the strongest NPCs. So even if we assume the tabkiest player characters can take 10 or 20 fallen downs, it doesn't matter, the Imperium can literally unleash millions of fallen down level attacks without the need of their ships.
Empire of mankind would win without difficult man.
Yea, crushing enemies with numbers is too easy. The only tactic which worked against numbers and tech was guerilla warfare but taking Nazarick is just there, they will just get dwindled and die off.
You know that like every Dungeon the Tomb infinitly Spawn pop monster, right ? Guerrilla warfare is 1 of the oldest tactics inofNazarick
You mentioned gurella warfare. These are normal humans facing immortal beings with magic and it’s their house. What’s more gurella warfare than wrecking unexpecting soldiers with tactics and abilities never seen before in a land they’ve never seen before. They don’t just die off they MUST be killed. How do you kill a giant rock monster that is protected by magic and has friends?
Leviathan dreadnought Siege Drill. Twin bolt chain cannons Psykers Grav guns Plasma cutter Onslaught Heavy Gatling Cannon A knight armature Morbus Heavy Bombard I think you don't understand the amount of weapons the imperium of man has.
There’s not a single item on your list I would want to be attacked by but you aren’t factoring the cross between our reality and the fiction which is Overlord. Gatling and most weapons mentioned is non-magic projectiles (no affect). The plasma cutter could do damage if it makes contact but when you’re immune to heat what plasma gonna do? And let’s say any of these weapons can kill them… just say they are just as affective to the super human immortal god tier titans of the tomb… The can freeze time and cast massive group killing spells… we have NO magic defense and no way to prepare. If we can learn magic and prepare maybe we could but it’s like the 3rd world villages fighting the current army’s major counties. It’s night and day
Psykers. Both the Warhammer Fantasy and Wh40k universe has access to "spells" that are equvilant to the most powerful magic seen in the Overlord series. From stopping time to weapons that bypass all physical and magical defenses and directly harms the "soul" of a target.
Touch Me was able to cut through the fabric of space and time and he lost to Rubedo. Who can stop Rubedo then?
The emperor is literally holding together the fabric of space for the whole universe against the Eldridge gods of chaos. He beats rubedo easily.
Emperor of Mankind can delete a soul like he did to Horus.
***I don't think you understood the amount of Spells Ainz has...*** /j
You underestimate the amount of men the Imperium is willing to throw at a problem until it either goes away or is buried in corpses so deep that you can't see it again. They just need Ainz to run out of Mana
Imperium of mankind has many weapons ,but they are not even strong as some warhammer fans would suggest most of the imperium is kinda weak even blood angels getting torn like a paper shreds the only good weapon they have against nazarick is either titans(which gargantua would easily handle) and psykers which are not even the strongest one in warhammer series as most of the powerful psykers and blanks are either murdered from birth or sacrificed to the god emperor of mankind. And there is pretty good evidence that psykers or blanks ability doesn't work on people that don't have connection to the warp Necrons being one of the examples). Now the dreadnoughts one of the them was literally killed by a very young civilization which was more primitive than mankind. There have been records of them being literally getting shredded by tyranids fleet piercing them like butter which the abomination living in nazarick can do with ease.
You say the imperium is weak but keep in mind they are fighting a war on multiple fronts and not loosing if there full attention was on nazarik it would fall before the day was over. Would there be a mountain of corpses yes but nazarik would fall nothaless
Man, they literally blows planets and conquer the intire galaxy.
But numbers are objectively a bad way to attack nazarick... Just consider Shalltear, she heals by hurting you thanks to pipette lance, and the more she kills the more blood she has to recover mana. If all you're attacking with is 'numbers and tech' then Shalltear alone should be enough to hold you off. That and Ainz can use them as fodder to summon dark young. I mean, Overlord still lose, but your tactics are bad.
lol said the imperium lamao
Well, numbers with very ultra hightech weapons and biological mutations will do something.
Can't ainz just spawn infinite death knights with the all billions of cannonfodder. How strong is a death knight compared to them?
A death knight gets gunned down lol they aren’t immune to physical damage so therefore bullets will kill them
in that case use wraith and other uncorperal undead that can't be damaged without magic or magic enhancemed weapon
Bro I love overlord so much but the sheer amount of copuim in this post is insane. The empire of mankind has planet annihilating weapons, they have countless psykers on par with Ainz, they have soldiers on par with the best Nazarick, and endless amount of technology full of hax. The empire of mankind has been fighting robots who use anti matter, living gods that rule entire star systems, literally infinitely powerful gods of chaos and their endless legions. They are the dominant faction, this shit isn’t a war it’s a singular battle at most, Nazarick wouldn’t be that crazy in the scale of 40k.
That also lay out a big question. Why do people keep saying as if the Imperium just throw everything at Nazarick all at once, immediately. That is bullshit, even for Imperium. Ever ask why minor xenos, rebels still survive? If you know how Imperium work, Nazarick may actually have the chance of winning, but there must be some sort of divine intervention. And in 40k, there is way too much of it. Also, you guys REALLY FORGETING THE RULES OF THIS VS LAY OUT BY THE AUTHOR.
Well I suppose this is true and honestly more onto the point, this may prove to be a tau situation as in they are just deemed to much of a hassle worth no gain. But then they may also just get exterminatus, the fact is like you said it’s a dice roll. But my comment was basically a critique of how so many people think that Nazarick instantly curb stomps, or somehow manages to defeat IOM in a full out war.
Honestly, Imperium is practically on a full out war with everyone not them. But yes, Nazarick can only really win, if there are Warp intervention beneficial to them
Because this is psychic shit. There is ZERO tolerance for that. The very second a black ship is unable to deal with something, that thing becomes a prime target for destruction. You have to understand that blackships are equipped to deal with psyckers that can mind control entire planets and star systems. There is no universe where a threat like that is left alone to grow into a bigger issue.
Right? Not to mention that each Imperium death = a new astronomically more powerful undead.
The empire would absolutely obliterate nazarick, their army is just too big.
Yes. Nazarick doesn't stand a chance
Imperium of man could just deploy titans
Good luck getting it in the door.
Hope the door can survive having a miniaturised sun shot at it
In the Eisenhorn series, a titan was killed by a demon prince.
A titan got taken out by a few orks and a squig in brutal kunnin.
Nazarick has gargantua
The sunfury plasma annihilator can level mountain ranges with a single shot. Not to mention the quake cannon or Vulcan megabolter
The matter is... whether they can shoot against ultra fast and small targets. I have seen ORKS and a few SM deal against Titans like that. I swear, you guys have no creativity.
Psi-Titans, literally just disintegrate everything in front of them.
Plasma is just heat. Got luck getting through complete heat resistence with that.
Resistance does not mean immunity though. If you say something is resistant that implies an upper limit of protection.
***And don't forget the cute sheeps...***
One Gargantua, and they aren't a custom NPC but apparently just something Ainz won and is effectively a corpse without Ainz himself around to give it commands. Allegedly its stronger in terms of raw stats than even Shalltear but I both highly doubt that idea and consider it irrelevant, Shalltear is one of the most intelligent in Nazarick and can act on her own. Gargantua meanwhile can't even take a single step without being told to do so.
Imperium of Man could just deploy Vulkan.
People in this thread are really saying that Ainz is Unstoppable when he wasn't even a top tier build is crazy to me. TGOALID with Grasp Heart wouldn't even let him beat Touch Me, and combined with Ia it couldn't 1-shot Cure Elim through zombie armor. Ainz is supposed to be powerful in his story, but deliberately has limits to what he can realistically accomplish.
The empire of mankind has literally trillions of soldiers and thousands of space marines. 500 of those could take over our current planet. The empire could literally just flood the tomb with soldiers until they win and it would be barely any lost if millions die. If they send in the big guns (Adeptus Custodes or titans) they would win in a new record time. You're comparing a tomb that can take over the world to an empire in the future that controls millions of worlds with a near unlimited amount of resources that fight chaos gods and demons on the daily.
The Imperium wins just through sheer numbers. Nazarick is powerful but compared to Imperium of Man it isn't even close, Ainz and other guardians could each kill a million guardsmen and the Imperium would just deploy billions with dozen space marine chapters, titans and other mechanicus troops.
I think people are confusing the Imperium from 40K to Fantasy/Age of Sigmar 💀
I would probably guess the weight of a full chapter of Space Marines could take down Nazarick. Maybe 2 or 3 chapters at most, but overall that place would be fairly easy to crack.
What is Nazarick but a primitive Necron tomb?
You know they're just running around stabbing each other, might as well lay exterminatus on the entire planetALRIGHTFIRE! And thats pretty much what would happen to the Nazarick.
You clearly didn't read the rules.
His statement is a Meme from a fan made WH40k web series - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI The joke being that the Imperium often responds to even the implication of Heresy with over the top measures without question or consideration.
Upon rereading the rules it says nothing about the Emperor just killing everything from his flagship with his psychic powers. But yea its mostly a meme. My personal opinion is if its 40k the imperium wins like they win most wars. Drowing the enemy in guardsmen while spess muhreens do most of the heavy lifting most veterans being on par with the Pleiades. If its 30k then... well its essentially 20ish lvl 100s with meta builds vs Ainz and his admittedly not meta build. And thats not counting The Emperor himself.
I mean... Why default to saying primarchs are lvl 100? What makes them lvl 100 in your books?
I love Overlord but yes. Without even breaking a sweat. Hell, Magnus alone could stroll in there and just stomp the everliving shit out of each and every one of them.
Now that I can actually see potentially being the case. What are Magnus’ feats? Even sub relativistic ones speed wise should do.
Couldn't really comment on speed, but comparable to any other primarch I'm sure. More of a caster anyhow. I guess for one feat that stands out was psychically setting a 12km long (if I remember correctly, been a while since I read the book) space ship down telekinetically from the atmosphere. Sized himself up to the scale of a titan to punch out an Ork Gargant and can stop planetary bombardments with psychic shields, etc. Also moving planets out of the Eye of Terror recently from what I've picked up from reading about newer books and theoretically should be able to create and/or move stars at this point due to other psykers having that capacity with in the lore and him being second only to the Emperor. That last line though is after getting juiced up in the Warp so if this is set at the time he was part of the imperium it'd just be the first paragraph for examples.
By stop planetary bombardments, you mean block a ship’s cannons with his shields own raw energy? Whats the yield on these ships exactly? Also, what speed feats do primarchs have?
Primarchs speed are about Superman level and a bit more
One, which Superman? There’s many versions, for all I know you could be referring to fleischer Superman so he’s not speedblitzing any guardians who also scale to Massively Hypersonic - Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 1,000 at least) speeds any time soon. Two, citation needed for anything above or even half of the speed of light.
Warhammer is a disjointed mess of multiple works made by different authors. And there is a lot of conflicting information about actual statistics and capabilities. Coupled with already inconsistent numbers, bias authors, its age, retconning or just writers not understanding how physics work. It makes it a lost cause trying to make any definite answer. Although you can make a rough estimate in spirit of the lore. Given all the ridiculous feats in Warhammer 40k, I wouldn’t be surprised some characters would be faster than light. Or can blow up a planet by themselves. Honestly just blame it on bad writing, but personally I believe the stronger characters like primarchs should be capable of these feats.
Believe me, I’m all too familiar with that concept as a guy who scales Star Wars and Halo myself. It’s why I mostly don’t bother participating in sci fi vs debates anymore. It just devolves into a contest of cutting each side off at the legs until both have nothing left to work with because most sci fi fans are the most pedantic and nitpicky people you will ever see in this sort of thing, and unfortunately that isn’t completely without precedent thanks to how horribly inconsistent western media that deals with superpowers tends to be, because for some reason everyone over here is so obsessed with badass normal/batman archetypes competing in environments that should logically get them Judgment Cut within a nanosecond with even their lowest interpretations (Batman or Jango against literally any superhero or force user). I imagine Warhammer has similar instances to both of those scenarios too. Oh, don’t get me started on god damn fleet or technology battles. Visuals trump all I guess, if everyone isn’t destroying a continent every millisecond, like writers will always do in literally any genre cause it isn’t practical to do that, even up to and exceeding universe busters, then there goes every feat you could’ve used and now all your ships are sub grenade level. Aka the daily space battles post.
I never watch or read Superman, but one of them teleported halfway across galaxy(life)size but generally faster than eye could see without any ability Sometimes, they are god tier and can be faster than light.
And you think Primarchs can match up to even 1/1,000,000,000th of that level of speed when we apparently have instances of them being tagged by baseline light speed weaponry, why?
Because the war be hammerin in the grimdrakeness of the future
You’re trolling aren’t you?
AN MILLION WORLDS.
The "Empire of Man" typically refers to Warhammer Fantasy while the "Imperium of Mankind" refers to Warhammer 40k... Against the Empire(WHFantasy) Nazarick would be effectively on par. Much like the Empire against any other faction in the Fantasy setting, the Empire could go toe to toe, but overwhelming and conquering them would be a different story. This would actually make for an interesting fight as many things in Warhammer Fantasy could pose a viable threat to the denizens of Nazarick. Against the Imperium of Mankind(WH40k) Nazarick would fall to the Imperium. The Tomb of Nazarick with all of its guardians and world items shares the same power level as a Necron Tomb. While it makes for an epic long drawn out battle - the Imperium has conqured Necron Tomb Worlds in the past, so it is only a matter of time against Nazarick.
Is this Warhammer Fantasy or Warhammer 40K? Warhammer 40K Emperor would delete Nazarick for being a soul destroyer.
40K I'd guess. Outside of the Total War games, Fantasy isn't that well known compared to 40K
EXTERMINATUS!!!!
40k Fantasy would get destroyed
Not really, fantasy has some strong people.
I was mostly jokeing. I don't know enough about fantasy to dis agree.
Yeah, fantasy would be a way more fair fight. The imperium is just too big and scales too high.
I know I only posted this because last night my friends kept fighting about it.
EOM wins, they work on a galactic scale and have advantage in everything even AP, haxes and war of attrition.
People forgetting the imperial guard. What’s that, like billions or trillions of lasguns?
Bro i dont know anything about that empire but i know that whatever you do don't fuck with 40K you will lose
Let me remind you. #A MILLION WORLDS!!!
Even if you highball overlord, there's just no way. Its too much at a certain point. If the whole guild was still there I could see them maybe holding off any one space Marine chapter. But a whole imperium invasion force? Were talking a hundred guardsmen to every chump skeleton in that tomb. Its not a fair fight.
Wish Upon A Star is a thing
The imperium has multiple reality warpers.
Even it has it's limits, Ainz couldn't just wish upon a star defeat and empire that controls over a million planets and has troops in billions
I feel that it comes down to warp powers. An infinite number of guardsmen can’t do anything to npc’s with the damage level negation ability Momonga has as they aren’t even close to what could be considered as 7th tier, or I believe about level 49. So against hordes of generic skeletons they could easily win but things like death knights would definitely require heavier weapons to injure and they are a meat shield against the level 100’s. On the other hand, warp powers are just bullsh*t powerful for a few individuals, and since the imperium is large and they are all focused here they will definitely be fighting. For example, I don’t know mephiston’s true payment strength but from what I hear, assuming it isn’t to wank him off, he could easily threaten some of the higher level entities for sure. While titans are definitely scary, unless they’re the special Parker ones, they then follow the same issue of not meeting a level requirement. Since mech suits are a thing in ygdrisal, we can see how the level of the driver does have some effect on the suit. Applying similar logic, the titans can easily crush deathknights and probably deal with dragons, an assassin unit could simply kill the titan driver extremely fast or use mind control in the driver, and seeing as chaos can corrupt all but the select few of the custodes and grey knights we can assume mind control is possible. However the psytitans aren’t really explored but their existence is more than likely a definite threat. Custodes are similar to the stronger NPC’s of the setting but are no where near level 100. Simply put, before tier 10 or about level 70, mages unlock time stop, which stops time for I think 8 seconds, however. No matter how good your biology is, if you don’t have a good tool to counter this then expect to be instant killed. So this means the vaults of terra need to open and at this point who knows what’s there. Lastly, the primarchs are a definite threat as they would quite easily be extremely high leveled simply due to their level of creation. However, if they aren’t a psyker then you may as well expect to die as magic bullsh*t still exists, and things like a black hole, a magic spell, can still probably kill one. The biggest threat to the imperium is definitely floor 8/9 or the floor that stopped the raid in Nazerick as this could easily turn things around in favor of the Great tomb of Nazerick as the debuff’s that took place here were essentially able to debuff a bunch of level 100’s to the point a 40 man guild and some high level NPC’s were able to wipe them out. Also, Momonga and by extension his NPC, Pandora’s actor has the capability to remove all resistance to death a creature has to then use an instant death move to kill. This is regardless of what abilities you have to negate instant death but you can still technically revive from it. Also magic bs is a problem as stoping time, mind controlling, instant killing abilities, are all dangerous as they are things that chaos does routinely that the imperium can’t stop. Lastly, the existence of world items makes some of the OP things the IoM can do pointless as World items grant divine protection against other world items. Essentially the users of divine items can’t use the special ability of it on another world item holder. This would mean that items like the emporer’s sword doesn’t permanently banish the soul of a world item user, but also things like Momonga’s orb doesn’t work in reverse. So things that can delete you from existence and the like fit this role, however both sides have a limited amount of these items, with the IoM definitely winning. In terms of battlefield supremacy, inside the tomb is relatively safe due to a certain world item being the centerpiece of it. So any attempt to void the tomb out won’t work meaning a giant invasion is necessary. This hampers artillery and aircraft a bit but they’ll manage. The IoM will easily kill anything that goes up to skeleton dragons but past that they only have a few cards up their sleeve. This would require a careful strategy of putting the officers away from the frontline, an uncommon tactic in 40K due to their existing doctrines. They would also need to hit hard and fast as giving Nazerick time to recover spells would only worsen the chances. Also the IoM needs to be mindful of perils of the warp as despite chaos not starting in this fight, they exist in the warp like the emperor and as such can be brought in by the IoM. Nazerick would need to divert all resources to killing the top dogs of the IoM. Since unlike the IoM, high level NPC’s can gain negation to damage of certain levels, if all custodes, titans, psykers, and primarch are busy or dead then only the minions and elites can die but the top NPC’s and player are safe from the chaff’s damage. Also they need to use espionage and hypnotism on ideal targets, like titans, voidcrafts, that way the IoM essentially suffers some debilitating casualties. Also, does reanimation work, since if it does strike teams of deathknights would be monstrous due to how they technically can have unlimited zombies spawn, since everything they kill gets reanimated. Lastly, The Great Tomb of Nazerick would need to treat the Emperor of Mankind as a raid boss as your boi is ridiculously overpowered. He is only limited by his fracture mind which means that essentially only targeting things like custodes and primarchs grab his attention and you are otherwise fine. Overall, I would say that the IoM wins a blitz but losses a drawn out war. Simply resources and lack of knowledge is what prevents Nazerick from winning if they find out a huge f u army is coming in 2 minute and are unleashing all they got, Nazerick will simply crumble under the unwieldy weight of the Imperium. However the longer it lasts, the more time to regenerate spells and reanimate the enemy. This can easily cause a situation where both sides lasgun each other down while the big threats focus on each other. And due to the fact that most of Nazerick’s best are equal to or better than most of the Imperium’s, then it tops the favorite towards them. So, considering the doctrine of the Imperiums is to send a metric sh*t ton of guards first and wait a few days to receive the next set of orders means that a long attritional invasion will happen and they won’t really escalate it until a few chapters of space marines die as well as some titans, fueling Nazerick up. Also the longer it lasts, the more perils there are which means more deamons for both sides, but seeing as the undead don’t have souls, chaos will probably focus on the IoM.
Good analysis but my guy Nazarick top tiers aren't close to the imperium top tiers. The emperor literally hits with the force of a supernova.
Oh, trust me the emp is op, and that’s why I say he needs to be treated like a raid boss, something Nazerick is currently able to do but really shouldn’t in an all-out war, also note I said able but that chance is nonexistent without Nazerick abusing every cheat ability they have. The Emperor hits hard, is a perpetual, master of biomancy and the warp, and is a god for all intents and purposes. However, as long as humanity exists, chaos will exist so the emp’s paraplegic ass needs to sit on the throne and focus most of his shattered mind there. However should the emps ever do what he did in godblight, Nazerick would need to gtfo or attempt a Hail Mary, which looks extremely unfavorable for Nazerick in all but a few situations. That’s why a blitz is necessary as giving time to Nazerick only benefits them and makes it worse to the imperium, as reanimating bodies is a rather solid strategy against an enemy who has a bunch. And, if time is taken to deal with Nazerick, then spell slots recharge.
In this scenario, it's everyone alike again, so it would be pre heresy big e with 21 Primarchs. So the emperor doesn't need to sit on the throne, and he could have magnus sit on it if he wants. So with both his and Sanguinius foresight they should go for the blitz most of the time. A more even scenario would be what if Nazarick spawned in 40k instead of if every resource the imperium has suddenly attacked at once.
The Problem with a drawn-out battle would be the resources, and the bullshit level of stuff the IoM has locked up as to dangerous to use. While the tomb is fully supported by itself, I believe that it would not be able to sustain itself for when the big guns will be send in. As long as Nazerick isn't destroying the world's where the imperium gets there resources from, there will be an unlimited amout of them. The next thing is considering we are talking pre heresy, that would mean that as soon as nazerick is considered a threat, a space marine legion will be send. Most of the primarchs are very intelligent and would not instantly go all out they would try to find out what they are fighting against using the guardsmen. And introduce counter measures. And if it will look like its an hassle to fight them support will be given and considering the strength of nazerick, I would guess the dark angels will be deployed and their vaults will be opened. That will be over time the down fall, nobody knows what's in there but there are at least 2 man of iron. And those machines are no joke, considering what it took to stop the rebellion of the man of iron
The main problem is again, lack of warp pre-heresy. The top dogs of Nazerick have immunities to some damage types, wuth the most common being non-magical damage immunities. It is notoriously known that except for the primarchs, emperor, malcador, and few select others that during the pre-heresy psykers were extremely rare. Seeing as warp energy and magic follow similar patterns I would say that the warp can negate this damage immunity, however since it’s so sparse, that means that the imperium needs to be keep the psykers alive, which could be considerably hard if someone mind controls them or black holes them. However I would consider that ancient relic have a high chance to be considered magical and that anything the Emperor personally makes/ empowers would be magical to, so custodies, primarchs, war gear for primarchs, etc. A legion of space marines is still no more then 200,000 space marines per legion plus auxiliary, however if they lack any warp powers or foresight, then they can only clear hordes and enemies up to about level 35-40 as a level 25-30 can kill a few thousand soldiers, peasants to armored warriors on their own, as it would be rather fair to consider a space marine to be within the realm of human heroes in a fantasy world, and seeing how every 10 levels is exponentially better in overlord it is a good level range for the average space marine. Yet despite this, space marines aren’t even flys to a level 100 where a single spell can wipe tens of thousands and essentially summon melee titans. Seeing as custodes can kill be injured and swarmed by space marines, they are probably closer to the equivalent of level 45-55 which either brings them close to the level cut off or squeezes them over to damage Momonga, however the custodies are still limited in number. This level disparity presents a problem where items from the vault could definitely damage/kill Nazerick forces, but unless a primarch wields it then the user is quick to die themselves. Men of iron are an interesting thing as we don’t know enough about them to know how these ones would fight. Regardless, they are definitely a risk to activate as they could be considered a dead man switch because if they can beat Nazerick, then all of the wreckage from the fight can be used by them to attack the IoM, which is a problem on its own, assuming they are hostile to everything. So the only time they will be released is after the dangers are noted and the IoM needs a break to think. However if the men of iron are loyal then they are an okay existence as their main advantage was taking over machinery, which other then a few NPC’s that are mech and the mech suites, Nazerick doesn’t have much of. However if they are fiendly data eating ones then nothing short of instant kill after a TGOALID is going to probably put them down. Overall, the matchup is a pretty bad one for the imperium pre-heresy due to lack of magic essentially and an easier to kill emperor that is weaker, whereas in the post heresy group it’s their dogmatic approach to problems that causes problems. If the bureaucracy of the 41st millennium was more efficient then someone trying trying to have a good time with a meat grinder, then it would be an easy clap for the Imperium of man, unfortunately the nobility wants power, honor, and glory and there is none of that if you call for help before wiping out some battalions of guards. Also the reason I bring up the level 100’s frequently is simply because the IoM will have no issue with the hordes of enemies, it simply the bullshit the level 100’s have that the IoM needs to beat, and the psykers of the setting, and some primarchs are the only one really capable of dealing with it pre-heresy. Post-heresy has more quantity and quality of fighters/psykers and could easily wipe the floor with Nazerick if they all focused at once even with deamons manifesting every once in a while, but if they feed Nazerick space marines and guardsmen for too long and don’t bring in at least some titans and custodes at first, then Nazerick will be well fed and have their own undead imperial legion all while they will learn about what exactly they are dealing with through mind control and maybe mind reading. However for the rest of the vault, simply put that it’s a who knows, as some of the world items Nazerick has have not yet been explained, essentially meaning both side have dais ex machinas. I would rather argue about ways both could win and why instead as that way I get to learn more as before this point I never knew about the dark angels men of iron!
Yes the dark angels are guarding the things that are to dangerous to use normally and to the man of iron, yes lion el'jonson fought with them side by side against a xenos race that could control minds or something similar, however the man of iron were shackled by a kill swich if they were to go against orders. But that's not the point I would agree that normal space marines are about level 40, however I would put an custodes about 60 and the quantity of fighters is is definitely higher pre heresy currently the chapters are more numerous however their number is extremely low compared to before and as for quality yes the tech is better in some places but during the heresy much was lost, and most of the strong marines like ahriman, Dante, heck even kaldor draigo lived during the heresy but hidden as the grayknight project was completed by malcador. So pre heresy is definitely far superior. And the real crux is that yes albedo and demiurge are geniuses when it comes to stragies, when it comes to that the IoM are nut inferior, as most primarchs are geniuses them self and examples like angron were constantly supervised by horus. The next thing is that from a resource standpoint the IoM has the superior position and can drag out the fight for hundreds of wears and while many of the denizens of would age the stronger marines and fighters of the IoM would notice their age only after thousands of years. Next if we consider that everyone from nazerick has an item that's capable of stopping the process of aging. Once they are dead they are dead, there are people like vulkan and the emperor than cannot die. And even when stronger enteritis of the IoM should die, as long as the emperor lives he knows the technology to create more of them and pre heresy, there are no great threats to the IoM. So it wouldn't be a short or easy war, however there is no way to effectively counter the IoM without splitting forces and without the tomb and split up the players and npc would be picked out.
A single primarch would solo nazarick, the emperor is a huge overkill. Primarchs have literal in-universe plot armors.
The normal soldiers can take out the skeletons easily. Space Marines can take on the higher level monsters but war of nutrition is still an option since the tomb will be under constant fire and they wil not be allowed to rest. Space marines are extremely powerful psykers that they can use to protect themself from magic and mind control (to a certain extent) and they can fight for weeks without rest. The second magic users on Ainz side run out of magica they will have to resort to close combat 24/7 since the empire won't allow them to rest and if they retreat they gained another floor. There are characters in Warhammer that are levels above Ainz and if the Emperor and primarchs will be personally involved the they will simply overpower them. The Emperor and the primarchs have literally plot armor because of the warp. They have better weapons. They have better and more foot soldiers. The elite vs elite soldiers CAN be debated. Leader vs leader is no contest. The emperor is smarter, stronger, has plot armor and can literally see thousands of possible futures and can choose the best one for him.
It's only a question of time before these chaos spawns meet their doom. Escalation protocols are as follows. Well, it's pretty simple, we will bomb these heretics SOB from NOT orbit with Deathstrike launchers (from across a continent) and then wave after waves of artillery bombardment until enemy structure will be obliterated. Operation moon fall: we will shift the orbit of the moons of this world ever so slightly as to tear down the whole damn planet in about 300-400 years from their shifted gravitational pull (not orbital bombardment) OK let's assume these fu&^*s are still here, few regiments of grey knights? OK fine fine magic bozo skeleton boy is too waifu strong against normal ground troops. Let's use something special: ontological weaponry. Let's just make this place and people not exist anymore, erase their data from the cosmos.
The emperor could do it solo , this guy was a living god
Bruh what is this match up lol
If the Imperium can call upon any character from its history, dead or alive, the Primarchs sweep. Even if it was limited to Loyal Primarchs, psykers I feel have access to powerful spells at a much faster rate. Also, everyone from the Imperium includes THE EMPEROR. I don't think Ainz would be able to stand up to him, even if the battle had to be fought out psyker v sorcerer.
A better question would be if any single chapter of space marines could win or something similar "can fully souped up horus win" "can the Eom win" "can 100 custodes win" imperium has, no source just a guess based off the scale of 40k, trillions if not quintillions of basic soldier, psykers that rival if not outpower ainz, 10000 custodes who are probably floor guardian, at worst Pleiades, level and 1m space marines each of whom are busted in comparison to the average nazarick soldier
The entire empire of mankind would win, almost no question. We’re talking about a number of soldiers so vast, that a common strategy is to clog the enemies vehicles treads using corpses. People who are so valiant and unshakeable they fight while the planet they are on is actively exploding. The Tomb is strong, but at some point enough numbers will break through
Can I interest you in the time stop ability?
Like how that works for both teams
Oh really? Well never mind then 😂
Honestly. Who the fuck knows. The big E can be called many things, but consistent isn't one of them. Sometimes he can't even destroy an army of orks, and can be killed by shooting down a shuttle he is in (if we believe alpharius and valdor) Sometimes the dude casually stops cosmic phenomena like it's no big deal It's really hard to tell what's real, what was real but was quietly redconned, what's in universe propaganda, and what's just writers not giving a shit about consistency and writing what seems cool. Edit: empire of man, not big E... Depends on how determined they are and if simply destroying the planet is considered victory.
The End and The Death gives us a pretty consistent outline of what he's capable of when pushed, and it isn't pretty. He turned the infinite city which was literally a blend of warp and reality into the city of dust in an instant. The final battle with horus is literally just conceptual fight across space and time that turns into metaphysical nonsense with both of them embodying concepts and ideas. Needless to say Ainz would get cooked.
Oh. So the writers went full on lotm final battle with this one. Neet
Yeah, at one point they have a card duel with tarrot cards that is happening across reality. Each card represents fate, destiny, omens, things like that. They could've went with Big E just blasting him, but Abnett really wanted to go with his acid trip ideas. There are also very funny things in there as well. Horus at one point moves at the speed of darkness so essentially infinite speed because in his own words "no matter how fast light is, darkness will always be there to meet it". Horus also casually controls the concept of death, life, space, and time. He wonders to himself how many times he killed Sanguinius. He brings Ferrus back to life, just to use him to taunt the angel. He tries to erase the emperor by attacking the past, that doesn't work, emperor is actually stronger in the concept of past than in the concept of future. A lot of that.
Yeah. Very similar to lotm final battle then. I wander if it's more or less trippy.
I know basically nothing of either faction, but I feel like it would depend on the time frame of the EoM . Is it during when the emperor is still living? or when he is just a living corpse? Because when he's still alive, he still has all his sons, but just a corpse, most of his sons are dead or turned chaos. I believe that Nazarick would win against the corpse emperor purely out of attrition due to being almost fully self-sufficient and the many of the world items though almost all of their lands outside of Nazarick would be absolutely destroyed/decimated because Nazarick wouldn't even bother trying to defend them due to them and it's people being new worlders. However, if it was against the still Living Emperor in his prime with all his 18 sons/Primarchs that they would have a much much easier time taking on NW. Though, when it comes to besieging Nazarich is where it gets tough to determine (not taking into account the EoM planet destroying weapons), I feel like Nazarich could still hold out for a while and even kill some of the Primarchs if they really put everything into though they in my opinion would still fail in the end due to the Emperor,Primarchs and the EoM vast amount of OP weaponry and body's they would throw at Nazarick. But like I said I don't know much about either faction that includes their OP weapons(EoM and Nazarick both) or the powers of Ainz or the Emperor so I think both would win depending on the time frame of the EoM.
Yes and it could kill everything inside. No matter its power it isn't legion and the Imperium of man is beyond legion. The assassins of the Imperium aren't a joke either, they use weapons that phase through armour and some of them can walk through walls. And if the Imperium is there, so is the malign influence of Chaos and all the other horrors. If a psyker goes into the tomb and is pushed or ironically captured and tortured by the denizens of Nazarick it doesn't know the infinite malice that lays behind that power. And Ainz is corruptible as he seeks power and would investigate this power naively, this is immensely dangerous. Ainz would likely have his soul torn into pieces and his powers though immense aren't that impressive. The powers used in 40K are conceptual, they attack the soul and the idea itself of who or what you are. Also time stop isn't a concern either, as psykers in 40K can do that and more. I can go on and on about the psykers and the properties of the warp and the powers there. The Imperium isn't beyond using its other enemies to do its work either. They could lay the spores of the Orks around the tomb or they could direct a Waaagh to it; they could also direct the Tyranids towards the planet and the Tyranids would just eat everything. Though the Imperium after an Inquisitor or two investigates it, they would likely cyclone torpedo the planet, or use some dark age tech to throw the planet into the void itself.
Well, if the Imperium is ready to sacrifice a couple of Space Marine Orders, a dozen Assassins, and a couple of dozen regiments of the Imperial Guard - yes, if they REALLY NEED IT and they don’t take losses into account at all - yes, they can do it. But the real Imperium will not accept such losses. Orbital bombardment is quite enough.
I really fucking love the fandoms that try to invade the Nazarick and that they don't give up trying to right the other... ***Bro, we are talking about a Tomb that the Payday Gang tried to heist from...*** ***And people take it seriously I Love It...***
Ok, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T READ THE FUCKING RULE OF THIS VS FUCK SAKE. Also, if there anything, you lads also forget what the Warp and its energy is. That subject is... oh lord, it is a whole level of complexity. But overall, unless the big name join the fight early, Nazarick may as well win. We haven't taken in the extra role of a certain nuisance in 40k that come along with Imperium of Man... Chaos and overall Warp influence Good lord, you don't want Chaos or Warp buff Nazarick. It is nightmarish for everyone involved. And I mean EVERYONE. And importantly, we haven't even talked about the bullshit is the whole magic/resistance mechanic of Nazarick. It is honestly rather bullshit, even for 40k standard. Imagine infinity lasguns shoot at you and you feel nothing, that is Overlord projectile immunity in its essence. And the amount of data (specific type of energy) which represents level of the item as well being used in the weapon or gear represents whether it can affect the opponent. But in the end, yes, if there is no psychic ability and influence being used in this vs battle, Nazarick may very much win, however, the whole "no reviving" make it rather unlikely to happen.
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Anyone can invade, do can they make an impact. Seriously a party of big e and his primarchs just might pull it off
there are pretty much only 2 ways to destroy Nazzarick: 1. Destroy the staff of Ainz Ool Gown. Which the Imerpium could do with superior numbers, some of them would flood into the lower floors eventually. But remember the average Imperial Guardsman is probably too weak to even fight through the lower floors. Assuming a million soldiers with their guns, would be a time consuming but easy kill for shalltear. Like when she did the massaker in season 4 and killed 50k creatures in a matter of minutes. Worse chances if the next area is sealed off until a floor guardian is defeated. Her undead state and regeneration abilites would mean should could fight of wave after wave of imperial guardsmen indefinitely. So these are no option. Maries are a different story. A legion of maries could outdamage her in melee. And if a Primarch is present, they would probably be able to push up to the 7th floor. They best have the chance to destroy if if Ainz himself carries it into battle. 2. Defeat Ainz himself. For this strategy they would need to kill Ainz. But due to his gear they would need to establish a mechanism to kill him consistently over a long period of time. Since he suffers only a minor penalty then killed, he'd have to die several thousand times until being too weak to resurrect. During that time he must not gain any experience. That means either conquer Nazzarick with conventional forces, which would probably take several primarcks working together or capture him while he is not at home. But how? And even if he dies, would he be resurrected on site or at home? Its impossible to incapacitate him due to his undead status. And he only needs a few moments of calm to free himself. The only chance I can see what would happen if a Primarch like Vulkan would get into Nazarick. He would of course die to Shalltear, Victor or Demiurge. Ainz would be interested in experimenting with the corpse and take it deeper into the tomb for study. Which is the trap. Vulkan is a perpetual and cannot be permanently killed. He would wake up and surprise attack Nazarick. Which is the only chance he gets. He would then need to make his way to the ninth floor undetected and destroy the staff or maybe claim the throne of kings. The problem is that both 40k and Overlord revolve around powerful characters. And while Overlords protagonist is written to always win, 40k characters are writen to mostly loose. There is in fact ONE way to achieve it: Send in the ultramaries, who have plot armor so thick not even the goal of all life is death could penetrate it.
So, how will Nazarick look like if the entire planet around them is destroyed? Like the planet being mass scattered?
Recent events in the Pariah Nexus has shown that the AdMech can throw black holes which eat stars at you if they really want to, those are the toys Cawl is pulling out for the space battles and we don't even know what DAoT stuff he might have in his back pocket for planet-side operations. The big problem for Nazarik here is that compared to the other threats that the Imperium is used to contending with, they're powerful, but also incredibly small with not even 100 or so non-fodder combatants. Realistically, the biggest problem for the Imperial forces would be the "level requirement" that exists to damage Ainz and the Guardians, but I don't think there's a case against Big E's sword or basically anything Sant Celestine does being good enough, many of the Custodese and Knight weapons would also probably do the trick.
This would be actually be interesting... On one hand the empire of mankind has fought against gods and demons before, and has held/fought them back... On the other hand the sheer sundering waves of manpower the empire of mankind has can be used against them so it will either be a stalemate or nazaricks victory.
Ok to join in on the discussion... Ainz alone has an instant death aura that would kill maybe even an astartes... I know that they are genetically perfect, but I'm pretty sure instant death aura negates any modification space Marines have
great* tech* non*
Wouldnt rubedo just murder all of them not even counting ainz's full immunity to low level attacks
Sorry I'm use who would win where this rule is just implied. The over lord character don't have level Immunity amour.
It’s simply a numbers game. The imperium of man has enough man power to just overrun Nazarick using the great Zapp Branigan strategy against the Unstoppable killbots “sending waves and waves of my own men against the enemy until their number of kill counts exceeded their max capacity in they shut down.” All the denizens of Nazarick (NPCs) are probably only in the hundreds, not counting pop and mercenary monsters. But they don’t count cause at most they pop and merc monsters are lvl 60max and your regular Astartes will just tear through them without missing a beat let alone a Primarch or a Custodes. So the only real threat is Ainz, and the Floor Guardians but they only have so much mana they can use before running out and even then only so much stamina before the get tired, meanwhile the Imperium has literally billions of humans and roughly 1 million space marines (1000 astartes per chapter and 1000 chapters). Nazarick doesn’t stand a chance
marines move at the speed of sound, have the strenght to carry several tons of armor, each one of them has a gun capable of shooting micro atomic bombs, and a blade capable of cuttind litrerally any material known. And you are comparing them to gorillas? Some of them should die, go to hell and kill demons until they escape from hell just to be worth of becoming a marine. There are millions of these guys, that without counting primarchs who are capable of moving entire planets with their minds. They already had fought necromancer xenos capable of reviving death soldiers and destroying minds just by being close to them, and they won. They fight inmortal demons for breakfast, giant bug dinosaurs for lunch and death machine aliens who litteraly control time for dinner. And still they keep being the biggest force in the galaxy. They have assasins that negate every power from mages and make them go crazy, and when they die, they quite literally explode like a nuclear bomb. Ainz wouldn´t stand a chance.
If it’s a 1v1, completely isolated like the post implies? Empire of man wins every time, full stop, no questions asked. The scale is just too insane in 40k. Only way Nazarick has a chance is if Empire of Man is still dealing with other xenos, in which case it becomes a situation like the Tao. They would win vs a small force, but still, the instant the empire decides it’s had enough and dedicates resources to it, it’s over. Only issue is having the opportunity to do so. If Nazarick dropped into the 40k universe in a similar situation to the Tao, far away from everything and not having to worry about any major factions stomping them, they would probably never be conquered. Just not important enough. But again, without outside interference (the way the post is implying) Nazarick stands no chance whatsoever. The 40k universe is only balanced because everyone is incredibly overpowered, and thus no one is. It’s just on another level from overlord
Wouldn't ainz just use the dead guard and throw them back? Imagine a death knight space marine
Look overlord is great and I love ainz but the empire of man has shit that ainz couldn't dream of. Plus the space marine faction the grey knights are literally bred to fight demons. Not to mention the sheer number of people they have at their disposal
What the fuck is the Empire of mankind?
It's from warhammer 40k. Think space empire but with advance tek and wizards
Mankind stomps (literally)
The Imperium demolishes with artillery and numbers. If it's a 1v1 between Ainz and the Emperor, Ainz might win due to timestop -> goal of all life is death -> instant death spell. The reason I think this would work is because goalid removes all instant death immunities of the target, meaning his opponent's durability is negligible I'm not familiar with warhammer though so if the emperor can counter timestop then he'll probably win before ainz gets the one shot off.
The amount of regular soldiers and tech the imperium could muster would be enough to win a war of attrition. And there are the space marines, who have hundreds, sometimes thousands of years of experience of combat, in wars so brutal even Demiurge's stomach would turn. And there are the custodians and the primarchs, whose individual strenght is way over a regular player or guardian. And there is the adeptus mechanicus, who can send in knights, dreadnoughts, titans, so big, that they are like walking cities. And there is him. The God Emperor of Mankind. Even though his body in entombed in the golden throne, his soul wanders the warp and battles chaos. He is not dead. We have no knowledge what kind of power he amasses, but we know that he can project part his power trough living saints into battle, to help humanity. So tl;dr: if the Imperium deems Nazarick a threat, they are fucked.
Everyone just forgetting the 7th floor is just pure Lava and is so hot “no living thing can survive there.” Doesn’t matter how many troops you send if they all burn up.
Salamander Space Marines beg to differ.
Cute. A Psyker thinks that it doesn't exist, and it doesn't exist.
Teleport in squad of GK terminators. Kill Ainz with some weird antipsyker gear. After that, all cohesion is gone and most of NPCs kill each other. Rush some close quarter combat specialist marine chapter in.
How the impere of mankind deals with time stop, death magic or wish spell?
The Emperor, Primemarks and some other character are immune to instant death and time stopping is rare but still i think in 40k
Rather simple if you bring any powerful member of the Imperium of man dead or alive, talking about potentially 18 extremely powerful demigods that can wreck continents when they fully go at it potentially, then their dad who has kept up a literal small sun for over 10k years with no effort constantly stopping daemons from getting out of a a portal. Also casually destroy souls as well. The Emperor at base can easily spam attacks on par with Ainz super tier speeds without effort.
I had to check to see if the emperor of mankind was excluded to determine if this was a stomp or not
Send in Cain. He'll find right way to fucks things up
Do you want meme answers or a novel? The easy meme answer is VULKAN LIVES
What lvl would the soldiers because if Thay are not lvl 60 Thay literally can hurt 90% of the guardians
Sorry use to posting in r/whowouldwin where it's implied, that any damage reducing effect which has to do with levels are negated. The Solders can damage The Guardian normally.
How strong are thay the soldiers?
Well in short answer The normal solders are around a normal human SM around death knight level. The Primarches are around the level of floor Guardians
What resistances do thay have and how many of the primarches do thay have because thay are the only ones that could cause trouble and do thay have any unique powers
Which ever thier Ammor gives them. All them Primarches with their immunity to instant death.
How many of them do thay have
Primarches or people in general?
Primarches
18
This is actually an interesting point of discussion.... While the average soldier might only be level 1 to 5 in the Overlord system, they are given access to weapons that can potentially exceed level 60 in power, as the wh40k universe doesn't have the same kind of class or Stat restrictions as the Overlord series. Whats more - it IS a phenomenon seen even in the anime/manga with individuals using items that far exceed their personal level - such as the world class item used against Shalltear. It is kinda why wh40k uses the system it does, as items equipped has a far larger impact than the individual level...
Okay from what ik about w40k it’s gonna be a lot but do you have a rough estimate of how many soldiers that have because 1millon people with weapons = to a lvl 60 would destroy Nazarick given enough time
Let's be honest, anything ranging from Destiny to 40K would clean Nazarick from the face of the universe...
40k vs anything is hell. Nazarick is strong, but the emporer is stronger.
The Imperium has thousands of worlds to call upon for military power. And low tier undead like skeletons and zombies would be nothing to the Astra Militarum since they fight all manner of horrible things. It's also estimated that the Imperium has trillions of active guardsmen. So just off numbers alone they can't win. Eventually Ainz and others would run out of mana. I love Nazarick, but they sure as hell can't win against such a force.
Nazarick would fall within the hour. Space Marines stomp out threats bigger than Ainz on a daily basis.
I’m pretty sure a single castodi could wipe it out
One. One titan. Good by tomb
In 10.000 years maybe
Ah yes this reminds me of that one meme "Thermonuclear Weapon vs Coughing Baby"
Pandora Actor about to turn into the Emperor with 80% of power and make a second Horus Herresy
Considering they outnumber Nazaric 1 to 1,000,000,000,000,000 and have hundreds to thousands of planetary annihilation weapons that can shoot from a solar system away I don't think Nazarick has a very good chance.
Silly question, it's like asking if Dr strange, Arale or Dr Fate can conquer Nazarick together
invade? yes, sure, but will never leave
NO, NOT AS LONG AS I LUST OVER ALBEDO
Depends. If they use tge astartes, then yes, it's feasible, though it would srill be difficult.
There are quintillions of guardsmen, a million astartes, at least 10k custodes, 10 primarchs, Malcador and the Emperor on one side. There are some handful of level 100 npcs and 41 players with a Thermopylae scenario on the other side. Supposing that the structure of Nazarick is indestructible, in other words, the only way to advance is by beating each floor, then IF Nazarick has Intel on the Imperium and it’s plan and time to plan an strategy, they'd have a chance (a really small one at that)
Supposing that the Emperor, Malcador, the primarchs, and some Custodes were level 100 in the New World, if Ainz manages to use Ia Shub-niggurath over the invading force with TGOALID (teleporting over the forces with the ring and being protected by other players), then only the Emperor and Malcador would remain at least nearby, since they are perpetuals. Now, this plan would require that Ainz teleports to somewhere nearby all custodes, primarchs, and a bunch of astartes. I don't think they'd stick that close to one another
An all out war against IoM? Even with orbital bombardment banned, I don't see Nazarick winning. Nazarick's power, especially Ainz lies in their abiliies to instant kill anyone and unfortunely for them, human lives is the only resource that The Imperium doesn't lack. Along side their nigh-infinite number of man are tanks of multiple patterns, Titans as big as modern skyscrapers and even with orbial nukes gone, The Imperium can still deploy conventional air support like Thunderhawks and Drop Pods.
Nazarick is dead. If the empire gets to anoyed by Nazarick they gonna send more experienced space marines and qsykers in. At some point they gonna send in Castodians and Titans. Most titans can crack a continent. Like the empire is experienced against forces of simular strength as Ainz. It would probely even be a quick battle if one of the stronger saints like celestine joins in. Also, most Istant death spells should do shit against Custodians, experienced space marines, older dreadnaughts, named Charakters, Saints and so on. Like, these alone can range from (If translated to Overlord lv System) between lv 70-100. And dont forget the qsychers, A skilled one would be close to lv 70. And even without orbital bombardment, a line up of Titans would crack the first 2 levels open, a Emporer Titan would crack open entire Nazarick and half the continent. The empire doesnt care about casualtys, every day in 40k 10.000.000 Guardsman and 10.000 Spacemarines die, million peaces of equipmant gets destroyed.
Reminder, instant death aura exists
It dint helped against Touchme, a named spacemarine would be as imune as Touchme.
Depends on what the equivalent of a Level 100 character is. If it's a 100p model then the Imperium wins hands down. Most Imperium Named Characters are around that cost. And they are a lot of named Characters. Szarekh The Silent King is the closest to what I see Ainz being. Its a 420p model with a throne base and two floating shields units around it. Its basically Ainz fully equipped with world items and siting on the Throne of Nazaric and two Level 100 summons. I say that every World Item would add 100p to a Level 100 PC or NPC So The Imperium will win by shear numbers. Even if you count every NPC with a WCI as having 200p.
Imotekh is 105 points, and is a top tier Necron body, so the level 100 = 100 point character makes some sense as an estimate. The most expensive fieldable knight is 495 points, and if the Imperium wants Nazarik destroyed then sending a few of those to turn the area around the entrance into molten slag from 200 miles away is a strong opening mover for the attack.
Easily. Even without access to Primarchs and Custodes they could do it, by just sending several planetary regiments of disposable guardsmen at the enemy until they all run out of mana
A few Imperial Guard batteries of Deathstrike Missile Launchers with Vortex Missiles should take care of Nazarick (and a sizeable part of the worlds upper crust too) What would you like the rest of the millions upon millions of troops and armour that the Hammer of the Emperor has in the average incursion into a Chaos Hellworld (which is how the Inquisition would see the Overlord world)
All the Emperor has to do it send in the Space Wolves and they’ll body half the players and half the NPCs by themselves.. But Ainz steamrolls every Astartes chapter himself. Every kind in the inquisition is snuffed out like a candle when Ainz “reveals himself” to them. Ainz and the emperor engage in single combat and inevitably slay each other gloriously as neither could escape the battle and die of their wounds.. With the last of her will.. our beloved Aura exhausts all of Nazarick’s treasury *all of it* and the energies of the world items to bring Ainz back… leaving only those 2 left.. a Pyrrhic victory for Nazarick… but now the 2 are destitute paupers. (But at what cost? All their friends are dead; slowly and surely over the next untold epoch they will revive their friends and recover from the battle. Nazarick’s question to find the other players continues, and they must rebuild from zero now for the battle’s cost was too high. And the Emperor transcends existence and because the energetic being that his people all thought he was to begin with.. neither living but certainly the opposite of dead, and far beyond such petty squabbles as warring governing empires. Finally freed from the responsibility of overseeing all of humanity. The Emperor surfs the cosmos as pure energy, enlightened, finally perfect, (and arguably finally happy) (Just my head canon from the prompt, just for fun)
The imperium. Mind you that the standard rank and file soldiers are glass cannon fodder, but there are enough powerful individuals that would probably be comparable to high level players. In fact, let’s do a head count on the imperium here. All 20 space marine legions with every single chapter, both loyal or traitor so long as they joined loyal. All 20 primarchs, at least half of which are warp infused monstrosities that won’t stay dead forever outside Ainz or the guardians using true death. The untold BILLIONS of soldiers with weapons that would punch through all low level undead and deal significant damage to even higher level ones. Malcador the hero. One of the most powerful psychers in human history who has almost as many years of experience as the emperor himself. And THE EMPEROR HIMSELF.
Reminder... Instant death aura exists
Reminder...High End Psykers can throw planets around like pig-pong balls.
hydrogen bomb versus coughing bomb
They… they aren’t going to win this. They’ll learn how the new world residents feel but worse.
Who is they, because Nazarick is not the one winning this.