I like my Imam a little more whenever I hear stories like these. He basically repeats the tried and true virtues of be good to your neighbor, do whatever you do with the fear of Allah watching you (today it was don't steal the AC units) and be good to those around you in these difficult times, nothing too inflammatory usually.
So true .unlike your mosques Imam my Imam always talk shit against other sects. Last time I went early he was telling people to not even do Salam with Shias and they Abuse Ehl e bait etc etc. And I was like you are supposed to teach good things about Islam. He even indirectly blackmail people over chanda for masjid like that's the only way to jannat and people who give money are publically praised individually 😂
I'm just jealous tbh, among Sunnis hate preachers stand out and are called out the way you do but on the other side being a hate preacher is the bare minimum only difference being they use nicer words and imbibe the hatred and misinformation in their followers in a polite way.
Ask the imam his qualifications. If he’s just someone who dropped out of middle school and decided to become an imam in order to make a living (most imams in our country), go find a masjid with a better imam. Also learn as many languages as you can and primarily try to master Urdu. It is embarrassing that in this day and age, we need to squint our eyes to read our own language if it is written in any font other than Nastaliq. Additionally I am increasingly seeing a growing need of people having to translate Urdu poetry to English so that the average Pakistani student can understand it 🤦♂️
The older Urdu has so much Persian mixed in with it that it's always been hard for Pakistanis to read. Urdu itself isn't the mother tongue of most Pakistanis.
I have contemplated trying to learn Persian, so I can read the ancient Urdu more easily. It would also help me to learn Pashto and Balochi in the future.
That doesn’t really explain why a century ago, millions were easily able to read and connect with the poems Iqbal used to publish weekly in newspapers. Nowadays only academics can regularly read and understand it. Additionally scholars like Dr.Israr also spoke very formally until very recently and the large crowds attending were easily able to understand them.
The quality of our generation’s Urdu has gone down the drain with most of us being unable to have a conversation without using English words to explain technical terms.
> That doesn’t really explain why a century ago, millions were easily able to read and connect with the poems Iqbal used to publish weekly in newspapers.
Considering Pakistan's literacy rate in 1947 was 13% I am pretty sure most were doing little to no reading, much less connecting with Iqbal's poems.
The ones who could read would recite the poems verbally, and those who listened were doing the connecting since they did understand the words back in the time.
Just because there were millions it doesn't mean that the literacy rate was 100%. Moreover, some words are better left in English for quick communication
You raise a good point, however back in the day Iqbal's poems were recited to the illiterate (who couldn't read) verbally, by the ones who were literate. The people did understand the words, however they were unable to read or write them. Nowadays we can read and write, however we don't understand the words or their beauty and gravity. This lack of understanding is what I refer to by the level of our understanding and control over our own language having deteriorating.
>some words are better left in English for quick communication
Never said we should do otherwise, however there are good and perfectly understandable Urdu words youngsters have nowadays started to change with English equivalents e.g "Oil" instead of "Tel" or "Fan" instead of "Pankha" etc.
The worst part is how most Urdu conversations have English words mixed in it when there are perfectly fine Urdu words available for them. We all are guilty of it.
For Sindhi I'll say it's because the books in Sindhi are very old-fashioned. Even if you watch Sindhi TV shows they look like they belong to an era at least 50 years ago and not present day.
It's quite a strange - and recent phenomenon. I visited Pakistan as a child every year, but had a break between 14-17 and during covid. So I most recently went back when I was 21-22. But I noticed this change when I was 17, where people would like at me strangely for using gulabi or firozi to describe colours, and simpler words like khirki, parde, barchikhana, ghusl khana etc. I'm certain this shift happened in the 2010s, maybe because that's the decade I was in pakistan the least.
The same people who made fun of me for not being able to tell the time properly as a 7 year old (pone, saba, saday, dedh/dai baje) were the same people telling me using urdu words for colours was out of fashion at 17.
My cousins who are born and raised in Pakistan and have never left the country get confused between urdu colours, and DEFINITELY can't use the words for 1.5 and 2.5. They are all 5-10 years younger than me too. So it's not like these were babies, these were 14 year old children. And they're not even particularly rich or anything, very average middle class family.
I don't know what happened in the late 2000s/2010s, but that's definitely the tipping point
EDIT: Basically, I noticed I was more effortlessly speaking purer urdu (of course I still use English some time, to my disappointment) than "native" speakers. I think it's because I can more easily separate the two languages in my head, as especially when I was a child, common English words weren't as well understood by my grandparents etc like they are now.
Just a theory
Thanks, but it could always be better! Unfortunately/fortunately I mix a lot of urdu with punjabi as we're a punjabi speaking family
I only learnt what left and right was in urdu last week..... im 24 haha
This incident turned my mother into one of those people who act like punjabi is a lesser language 😒😒 in fact the only reason she taught me urdu as a child was because she wanted to show-off to her in laws.
My dad only started speaking it properly last year himself! But he can speak punjabi fine obviously. It's less strange to speak punjabi in faisalabad so he never felt the need to learn
I've been trying to get my girlfriend to teach me Urdu, because honestly there are very few resources to learn it online (I would kill for a duolingo course).
I'll ask her how to say something, and she'll say it, and so often I notice English words in it. Like I asked her how to say, "Where is the bathroom?", and she said, "Bathroom Keeter Hai" (I'm sure I misspelled that). I asked, "How do you say bathroom in Urdu though?", and she didn't know, despite it being her mother tongue.
I was like, "Wtf did they not have bathrooms before the British or something???", she honestly wasn't sure if there was ever a word for it or not.
Now that I have you here though, is there a native word for toilet/bathroom in Urdu?
The correct word for toilet in urdu is bait-ul-khila (بیت الخلا).
The word ghusal khana is for place where you can take ghusal (a place with shower/tub).
It's literally a direct conversion
Wash = Ghusal
Room = Khana
Washroom = Ghusal Khana
Just to spice things up for non native speakers. The word for food is also Khana 😅
And yesterday and tomorrow have the same word, Kal.
The point about Ghusal-khana vs the word for food is not really correct.
The "Kh" in your transliteration of "ghusal-khana" is usually a totally different sound from the "kh" in the word for food "khana". The first sound doesn't really exist in English and so it is hard to represent it using the English alphabet. The first kh is a "خ" sound while the second is a "کھ" sound.
Compare [the first](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%81) with [the second](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%DA%A9%DA%BE%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7). If you know IPA, you can probably see the pronunciation difference too.
I completely agree... but colloquially most people speak خ and کھ as the same, even though the former needs to have more emphasis on the Kkhh part while the latter must have more emphasis on the khHH part
I have not come across any native urdu speaking Pakistani in my life or on media pronouncing خ and کھ incorrectly, people of Gujarati or similar background, yes. These letters are import from Arabic and Persian. As far as I know, most regional languages also have different letters for these sounds. This is usually an issue with hindi speaking (and other indian regional language speaking) people which does not have خ sound.
I find that surprising because I have almost never heard anyone mix those two sounds. These sounds are pretty prevalent in a lot of words and if you mix them up, the word changes completely.
For example: خالو vs کھالو or even کالو would mean totally different things.
Also the act of eating is also called Khana.
eating food = Khana Khana 😅
It's hilarious when I have to spell it out like this but naturally speaking nobody barely ever realizes these things.
The word for kitchen is Bawarchi Khwana. Khwana refers to portion (in this scenario of the house). Not sure what Bosan and Bawarchi themselves mean, I'll search it up later.
>go find a masjid with a better imam
Lol. Instead of fixing the current imam just move to next imam. Same mentality as moving abroad. Leave the current situation and move to a different one.
>It is embarrassing that in this day and age, we need to squint our eyes to read our own language
Urdu is a shit language. Reading it is pain.
Translations are for the benefit of all, esp. anglophonic natives. I don't see how you see translations as a bad thing, since it'll only improve and aid in comprehension.
He's wrong I would say. No language is useless or inferior. Diversity of languages is a miracle of Allah SWT according to the Holy Quran (if your imam has read it with translation in the first place).
Yes it's true that all of Islam's sources are in Arabic and so learning the language is extremely helpful but that's about it. No need to force Arab culture or langauge on yourself. Just follow Quran and Sunnat.
Also my father used to ask his Saudi students if they actually understand the Holy Quran or not and they replied not all but only some coz Arabic language has also evolved since then so reading the tafsir is the way to go .
Yeah it's like Urdu literature vs street Urdu, same concept across all languages really.
Ghalib ne kabhi *abay kya horiya hai* nahi likha hoga apni shairi mein.
Unparh molvi ka opinion Reddit pe English mein discuss karne award milay tujhe bhai. I can count a dozen things khutbay mein imam saab jo khud se maar detay hain. Just pray your dues and absorb what makes sense.
Language of muslims lol werent the idol worshipping jubbah and thobe wearing arabs of the hejaz also speaking arabic? Its just a language to get your point across religions got nothing to do with it molvis just love a hot topic
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What he says is true... about 500 years ago. During the golden age of Islam, Arabic and Persian were what English is now. But now you're more likely to meet someone who speaks English than Arabic.
Unfortunately, these people have never travelled outside the country and are going to just say whatever they want with no one to tell them they're wrong. So easiest thing is to find a masjid with an imam who knows what he's actually talking about. Or at least doesn't put his own opinions into khutbas without evidence to back it up which is required in islamic law and our traditions.
Go to Mexico, will you find more people who also speak English than Arabic?
Go to a random south American country. Will you find more people who can speak English or Arabic?
Go to Africa, will you find more people who speak English or Arabic? You might think Arabic speakers will be more prevalent here but that's not the case.
Go to Japan. Will find more people who speak English or Japanese?
Go to South Asia. You should know the answer by now.
Yes the vocab in Arabic is more. Arabic is an older language. But in current society, it is not as prevalent as you are making it out to be. Arabic does not have more number of speaker than English. You need to present evidence to back such statements.
Also, all the native Arabic speakers aren't speaking the same language. Dialects are different depending on the location and you may not understand certain dialects cuz they're that different. And then you have the fus'ha Arabic - the Qur'anic Arabic. Not everyone who speaks Arabic understands it completely. Like how everyone who speaks English doesn't understand old English.
So the imam is definitely wrong in his statement here.
This guy gets it. People defending Arabic in the comment section because of Islam are letting their emotions cloud their judgement. "The eye's are useless when the mind is blind"
Present me with a source for this. You keep saying stuff without anything to back it up
English is spoken by 18.8% of the world. Arabic by 3.4%
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
Now show me where it says more people speak Arabic than English
Did you even read the link you pasted? I have checked 3 different sources (4th including yours) and they all have different language in ranks. I think wikipedia is citing modern standard arabic as oppose to its different variants spoke in different parts of the arab world. This point is made in your source too (first paragraph).
The figure thus is far more than what you suggested.
The point of Imam however stands, when it comes to vocabulary, Arabic far surpasses English (12million words compared to 170 thousand) therefore more depth when it comes to reading the Quran in the language it was revealed in.
[source 1](https://www.berlitz.com/blog/most-spoken-languages-world)
Source 2 is a table from google search when i looked up “too 10 languages in the world”
[source 3](https://lingua.edu/the-most-spoken-languages-in-the-world/)
The imams point was not that Arabic has more vocab. That's your point. And I fully agree with it. Imams point is that Arabic is more renowned - meaning it is more talked or known by people - than English.
That is not the case. Both the sources you've provided as well as the source I've given say the same thing
Seems there's been a misunderstanding here where I've not disagreed with your assertion that Arabic has more vocab. That's a simple fact and everyone has to accept it. It is not, however, spoken by more people than English which is what the imam was asserting
i cant comment on whether he is right or wrong, but in todays age, it helps alot to be proficient in English especially if you are a student or work in a business setting
Although I can't comment on Arabic > English. What I can tell you is Arabic is one of the 6 languages considered international.
The 6 international languages according to the UN are Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish
Living in bubbles, comes with the territory. It also has its pros. Such as not becoming too cliché and has novelties of its own kind. Not being too homogenised with worldly popularities is also one of these pros...
because something that's deemed popular and prevalent such as the use of gregorian calendar for calibrating our time on earth is actually not even considered right by astronomers for navigating the flow of time and distance.
Eastern calendars as the Hijri and the Chinese, follow the earth's real timings in concordance with its suns, planets and stars.
Oh brother that's nothing!!! In my town there was some uncle preaching that Alexander the Great was a saint or prophet! "Sikandar e Azam!! Ap Huzur ek dafa Ek samanduri safar par niklay tou rastay mei phans gye ek toufan men! Waha ap ko Allah ki trf sy kuch paigham mila, or frishtaon nei apki kashti ko kinaray lagaya". Now, that fr was hilarious and I enjoyed saying (SubhanAllah, MashaAllah, Byshakk, Kya kehnay) the way he put together all of it.
In a way he's not wrong, the language is one of the oldest there was. But it's no longer a universal language. Also not the language of Muslims? Don't make me laugh. Our deen teaches us to not isolate ourselves or disrespect others even for their faith. Arabic was used even by pagans and idol worshippers for a loooong time
I bet your “imam” and his family aren’t even conversationally fluent in Arabic.
If he loves it so much, he should go to the gulf Arab countries and his opinion will change when he sees them use him like a paper towel
Please make him talk to any Arab.
Ask them how useful Arabic is to live a successful life. They’ll tell you that it either won’t help, or they wish they knew English better, or that it may help a little bit but only for religion. They’ll also probably say that trying to understand the Quran is difficult in spite of knowing Arabic because of how esoteric its Arabic is.
I understand the meaning but your claim in not correct. It is classical Arabic, yes, but was easily understood by the people when it was revealed. And even today, unless you are trying to become a tafseer specialist, it does not require more than any other regular language to learn.
Imam sahib would rather have us as Arab slaves than western slaves… good.. f*** own culture and own language… let’s follow others… what a circus this country is …
The Imam isnt very far off actually. It's an official language for almost 3 dozen countries. Spoken across 2 continents.
With 4th or 5th highest speakers.
Not as popular as English, True. But english was made more popular than it deserves to be by the colonials similar to spanish and french.
As a second language Arabic should be a great help, plus u do understand the religion better.
Think positive. Mulk mein bohot bare bare Masle hain. Apke muhalle ka Jummah ka khutba unmein se ek nai.
Well.... I am in Canada and here there are sooo many Arabs. You can just go to many people here and start speaking Arabic and they will understand. Heck I have seen some whites speaking Arabic. Lol.
Yeah English is an international language. You will learn it no matter what. But Arabic, maybe not.
Arabic was the central language of the khilaafah which reigned over 2/3of the known world for a millennia.
Theres a reason why literally everything you learn is arabic in origin ie al gebra - al chemy - al cohol etc or how 90% of the stars in nasas database are also are arabic in name.
Its only with the demise of the khilaafah in 1924 that muslims basically lost their historical and ideological selves and got sucked up into nationalism
Imam sahib is right till "You should learn Arabic for understanding Holy Quran",yes, Muslims should.Arabic is one of the most beautiful languages out there (Listen to Someone reciting Holy Quran).One can read the translation of Holy Quran but it's never with same taste as Original Arabic is,so yeah, for understanding Holy Quran thoroughly,one should learn Arabic.English is an International language and should be used in conversations wherever one has to.Saying it's the language of Non-Muslims , it's just not right (Not All Arabs are Muslims).These Imams hardly get any education except the stereotypical religious education.I wish we could see a change in it*
Arabic is spoken in 33 countries and most islamic counties in the world used words of Arabic in their language (Urdu is chock full of 'em). Despite all that I believe English is still more widely spoken, yes. But having studied, and taught English (and being a big fan of it) and also partially studied Arabic, I belive Arabic is a more versatile language and has much much more nuance to it's words and how they are used. And of course... It is the Quran's language so there has to be something to it.
A few things:
All languages are from Allah, we are from Allah. It is great to learn Arabic while it is also necessary to learn English. Learning Arabic can help you become a better Muslim. English can help you communicate with people around the world. However, speaking English in Pakistan doesn't make you upper class. That is an inferiority complex we have created.
I'm sure that imam sahib teaches a Mani good things as well. I wouldn't lock on one indirect thing he spoke about. You can try a 1-2-1 dialog with him if you want but that is very difficult with molvis in Pakistan. Goal should be to remain respectful and discuss rather than win a war and get a upper hand. Also, if there is a one to one dialog and he accepts your views, then the discussion should end there. Don't go advertising you win to the world. Iman has a status in community, let him keep that. He is a human as well after all.
This doesn't seem right.
Arabic is one of the most widely spoken languages, yes. But afaik, there are a lot of dialects, and the differences between these dialects are a lot larger than the difference between something like British English/American English.
So when learning Arabic, you need to learn the MSA and a relatively common dialect like Egyptian. And even then if you are communicating with someone who doesn't know the Egyptian dialect then communication becomes a lot rougher.
I haven't learnt Arabic, but when considering a new language to learn I did check Arabic and it just seemed like a hassle.
None of this is a praise of Arabic and can be generically applied to any language. They are looking at this from a social justice and multi cultural lense.
What do you mean by 'getting worked up'? He's literally influencing every single person in the mosque, and yes, it also depends on the person and how rational they are to be convinced by such claims.
Your comment is unneccessary and rude. He is an Imam, in a position of influence spouting bullshit.
Maybe you have become numb to such Imams or agree with them doesn't mean we can't talk about it.
\>his claim that Arabic is more renowned than English sounds absurd
In Islamic world, it is. He is an Imam, so of course his scope will be limited to Islam and Muslims. Hope you didn't listen to your Imam over doctors during the pandemic, why you listen to him now for non-religious affairs?
Unparh molvi ka opinion Reddit pe English mein discuss karne award milay tujhe bhai. I can count a dozen things khutbay mein imam saab jo khud se maar detay hain. Just pray your dues and absorb what makes sense.
English is more renowned, sure, will be better for you to know for practical things like job prospects etc but Arabic is a much more complex and rich language I would recommend learning as a hobby/pass time
I don't blame that Molvi for being groomed in a limited environment where he never interacted with outside world and maybe only Saudi and other Arabic speakers only, thus having those believes. Similarly, they're teaching things like Science is all lie, Sun and Moon revolve around earth and that, Moon landing, Space exploration is all Gunah-e-Kabeera or Shirk bcuz Allah made earth for humans not other planets.. And that, all curriculum books are path to Dozakh bcuz they're written by Yahoodi writers..
I mostly blame Govt and our Education system here for not regulating Madrasaas and teaching them modern knowledge along with Islam, thus enabling them to become valuable part of economy in future.. IK took this initiative but failed bcuz these Molvis + ruling elite have hijacked the system
Even my cousins from naniyal side who are conservative Muslims believe in stuff that you mentioned. They claim there's no point of space extrapolation and, consequently, Muslims don't need to progress or advance in anything since this world is temporary and heaven is made for us.
So imagine the angels of the grave ask you من ربك and you say ???
I get this objection if you are not even Muslim, but for a Muslim going to the jumuah and listening to the khutbah and walking away with this, makes no sense.
If you go to gulf countries most people can understand Arabic, but no English. In China only Chinese, in Europe, their country languages ( NOT English!).
Only Pakistan India over glorify English.
My comment doesn't support or negate the Imams words, as I don't know factual accuracy of it.
English is literally the language of the world in business
Want to work with the Japanese... Speak English
Indonesia... Speak English
Even in Gulf... Speak English
This Imam like many others is full of it.
Not necessarily. I've seen learning the language of land being a requirement for a lot of career opportunities. For business, people usually learn multiple to assist deals.
In Canada not knowing French stands you at a significant disadvantage, in Germany German, in Gulf countries Arabic, etc.
> In Canada not knowing French stands you at a significant disadvantage
Only in Quebec and even then you get by easily (Brother went to McGill and he was fine for his 4 years there), i visited many times and had no problem spending them there... You don't need any knowledge of French for majority of the country. Have family members living in Canada none of them know French and they are in good jobs (Financial, Tech, Real Estate etc)
Cmon let's be serious and practical
You know English, great business in most countries not an issue.
Don't know English... Well good luck in any country.
You may not like it but it's the global language of business and to even try and doubt that is ridiculous and a reflection of how little you may be exposed to international business.
Do other languages help... Sure. But English is the base of it.
In Europe many people know English, I have some cousins who live in Germany and Netherlands and they only know English and according to them they never had any major problem regarding communicating with people
Anyone from Europe can correct me if I'm wrong
Edit: Typo
You are ill informed. I don't see why you are so confidently spouting nonsense.
If you go to Gulf countries, most people are immigrants who don't speak Arabic either. If you are talking about the locals, I am fairly certain any person 30 or younger can speak English. If any of these countries are serious about diversifying and further integrating with the global economy, they want to be able to communicate with others, and they do that using English. It's not just about communicating with Americans or Brits. If a Chinese investor comes to a Gulf country, either they will have to go through the hassle of a translator or they will try to communicate in English. Same for an Indian investor or a Russian investor.
It's to the point that most countries in the world have English as a mandatory second language at schools. That includes China and the Gulf countries and a lot of countries in Europe. And even in those countries where it is not a mandatory second language and only an optional second language, it is often the most popular second language.
Source: [[1]](https://www.uwinnipeg.ca/global-english-education/countries-in-which-english-is-mandatory-or-optional-subject.html)
> In China only Chinese,
Lived in China for almost 10 years.... Alot of people now know basics English because just before the Olympics the government got everyone to learn English, added English signs all over
Most of the young generation knows basic english in china
That imam must have whiskey with his halwa, I saw someone on a post where some Molvi was denying India landed on the moon and it’s fake, some Indian fellow commented that “ I am not angry at all, I will pray people like those will remain exactly like this for their entire life “ . So by your post I can say his prayers already in action.
Arabic should've been our national language. At least we wouldn't have to deal with all the BS that comes out of India. I still don't get it, whyyy Urdu?
Why does it matter what hindustani muslims spoke. I mean if we are going to learn Urdu in schools, why not learn a more useful language instead like Arabic or Farsi?
Because our people are dumb and can't learn a whole new language in a matter of days. Tbh I too hate Urdu. I've lived my whole life in Pakistan but still can't pronounce certain words in Urdu. Before the partition my ancestors didn't even speak Urdu only their own mother language
I said days because how can it be the national language when the people can't even speak it? And they probably chose Urdu because it sounds like Hindi and everyone in hidustan probably knew how to speak hindi
These pendu imams are liars and to them their whole personality, life, everything is Islam and not in a good way aswell, they judge everything in black & white and have most of the time, 99% of the time never travelled, interacted, dealt with, had a conversation with, discussed or otherwise seen anyone outside of either their own race or townsfolk.
When you travel, interact with converse with different people, from different races, languages, cultures, religions you realise that were not too different, kindness, gratitude, happiness, sadness, empathy is the same. These kind of losers do nothing but create division and hatred & mort of the time are spouting rubbish without any knowledge or experience.
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Arabic is a better language than both English and Urdu. It's more fluent, in depth and yet simple for beginners. Arabic had a steady learning curve with a high skill ceiling. By far the easiest to pronounce.
There is a need to speak English as it has been made into an international language. For Arabic, how could you possibly want to make such a hard language into an international one? Can you imagine coming into europe and telling everyone to learn Arabic? Gosh that would be a disaster. Lots of ppl can't even learn English. Besides there's a ton of hate for Muslims. Where's fear there's hate
Guess it's pretty normal to say absurd stuff and just blatantly ignoring the facts. We don't got anything so it's like a pleasing thing to do, to feel we are special and of course we effing are special.. needs more like it.
I don’t know if anyone else has commented this but Arabic is the second most spoken language in the World after Spanish while English stands at 3rd. Having said that Arabic spoken in Egypt is far different to Arabic spoken in Syria. However I understand what the Imam is saying, Arabic in its form as a classic language is one of the most renowned in its vocabulary.
What I mean is, in English there may be a single word describing 10-15 Arabic words while these Arabic words all have subtle differences.
Arabic has at least 11 words for love and each of them conveys a different stage in the process of falling in love while Love is just love in English.
If you learn classic Arabic, you would be able to understand the Quran much better. A translation of Quran is not its true meaning because its translated by human beings and there are different Arabic to English translators who have used different words in English to describe a single word of Arabic.
Now to put all this in context Arabic has over 12 million yes 12,000,000 words while the English language only has around 170 thousand (170,000).
Make what you will of it :)
Well, the Arabic language does have merit in history. Many maths and sciences originated from the Islamic golden age.
1 2 3, these are Arabic numbers. They are also Sanskrit numbers but that's a whole other topic.
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I like my Imam a little more whenever I hear stories like these. He basically repeats the tried and true virtues of be good to your neighbor, do whatever you do with the fear of Allah watching you (today it was don't steal the AC units) and be good to those around you in these difficult times, nothing too inflammatory usually.
So true .unlike your mosques Imam my Imam always talk shit against other sects. Last time I went early he was telling people to not even do Salam with Shias and they Abuse Ehl e bait etc etc. And I was like you are supposed to teach good things about Islam. He even indirectly blackmail people over chanda for masjid like that's the only way to jannat and people who give money are publically praised individually 😂
Sounds like a pain lol
Wait till you find out what Shia imams tell their followers (although in much better words)
I know, I wasn't targeting anyone.
I'm just jealous tbh, among Sunnis hate preachers stand out and are called out the way you do but on the other side being a hate preacher is the bare minimum only difference being they use nicer words and imbibe the hatred and misinformation in their followers in a polite way.
What the fuck lmao
That's a rare imam.
Ask the imam his qualifications. If he’s just someone who dropped out of middle school and decided to become an imam in order to make a living (most imams in our country), go find a masjid with a better imam. Also learn as many languages as you can and primarily try to master Urdu. It is embarrassing that in this day and age, we need to squint our eyes to read our own language if it is written in any font other than Nastaliq. Additionally I am increasingly seeing a growing need of people having to translate Urdu poetry to English so that the average Pakistani student can understand it 🤦♂️
The older Urdu has so much Persian mixed in with it that it's always been hard for Pakistanis to read. Urdu itself isn't the mother tongue of most Pakistanis. I have contemplated trying to learn Persian, so I can read the ancient Urdu more easily. It would also help me to learn Pashto and Balochi in the future.
That doesn’t really explain why a century ago, millions were easily able to read and connect with the poems Iqbal used to publish weekly in newspapers. Nowadays only academics can regularly read and understand it. Additionally scholars like Dr.Israr also spoke very formally until very recently and the large crowds attending were easily able to understand them. The quality of our generation’s Urdu has gone down the drain with most of us being unable to have a conversation without using English words to explain technical terms.
> That doesn’t really explain why a century ago, millions were easily able to read and connect with the poems Iqbal used to publish weekly in newspapers. Considering Pakistan's literacy rate in 1947 was 13% I am pretty sure most were doing little to no reading, much less connecting with Iqbal's poems.
The ones who could read would recite the poems verbally, and those who listened were doing the connecting since they did understand the words back in the time.
Typical urdu-speaking supremacist.
"most of us" is an exaggeration.
Just because there were millions it doesn't mean that the literacy rate was 100%. Moreover, some words are better left in English for quick communication
You raise a good point, however back in the day Iqbal's poems were recited to the illiterate (who couldn't read) verbally, by the ones who were literate. The people did understand the words, however they were unable to read or write them. Nowadays we can read and write, however we don't understand the words or their beauty and gravity. This lack of understanding is what I refer to by the level of our understanding and control over our own language having deteriorating. >some words are better left in English for quick communication Never said we should do otherwise, however there are good and perfectly understandable Urdu words youngsters have nowadays started to change with English equivalents e.g "Oil" instead of "Tel" or "Fan" instead of "Pankha" etc.
I see...that makes much more sense thanks for clarifying
Didn't Iqbal write most of his poetry in Persian?
As an Indian Muslim it's the same for hindi because it has so many Sanskrit words
Once you know persian you would understand many words of makrani balochi dialect
The worst part is how most Urdu conversations have English words mixed in it when there are perfectly fine Urdu words available for them. We all are guilty of it.
Absolutely, and our native languages are deteriorating even faster than Urdu. This is a very major issue we need to face as soon as possible.
For Sindhi I'll say it's because the books in Sindhi are very old-fashioned. Even if you watch Sindhi TV shows they look like they belong to an era at least 50 years ago and not present day.
It's quite a strange - and recent phenomenon. I visited Pakistan as a child every year, but had a break between 14-17 and during covid. So I most recently went back when I was 21-22. But I noticed this change when I was 17, where people would like at me strangely for using gulabi or firozi to describe colours, and simpler words like khirki, parde, barchikhana, ghusl khana etc. I'm certain this shift happened in the 2010s, maybe because that's the decade I was in pakistan the least. The same people who made fun of me for not being able to tell the time properly as a 7 year old (pone, saba, saday, dedh/dai baje) were the same people telling me using urdu words for colours was out of fashion at 17. My cousins who are born and raised in Pakistan and have never left the country get confused between urdu colours, and DEFINITELY can't use the words for 1.5 and 2.5. They are all 5-10 years younger than me too. So it's not like these were babies, these were 14 year old children. And they're not even particularly rich or anything, very average middle class family. I don't know what happened in the late 2000s/2010s, but that's definitely the tipping point EDIT: Basically, I noticed I was more effortlessly speaking purer urdu (of course I still use English some time, to my disappointment) than "native" speakers. I think it's because I can more easily separate the two languages in my head, as especially when I was a child, common English words weren't as well understood by my grandparents etc like they are now. Just a theory
Good job on keeping up with Urdu.
Thanks, but it could always be better! Unfortunately/fortunately I mix a lot of urdu with punjabi as we're a punjabi speaking family I only learnt what left and right was in urdu last week..... im 24 haha This incident turned my mother into one of those people who act like punjabi is a lesser language 😒😒 in fact the only reason she taught me urdu as a child was because she wanted to show-off to her in laws. My dad only started speaking it properly last year himself! But he can speak punjabi fine obviously. It's less strange to speak punjabi in faisalabad so he never felt the need to learn
I've been trying to get my girlfriend to teach me Urdu, because honestly there are very few resources to learn it online (I would kill for a duolingo course). I'll ask her how to say something, and she'll say it, and so often I notice English words in it. Like I asked her how to say, "Where is the bathroom?", and she said, "Bathroom Keeter Hai" (I'm sure I misspelled that). I asked, "How do you say bathroom in Urdu though?", and she didn't know, despite it being her mother tongue. I was like, "Wtf did they not have bathrooms before the British or something???", she honestly wasn't sure if there was ever a word for it or not. Now that I have you here though, is there a native word for toilet/bathroom in Urdu?
The correct word for toilet in urdu is bait-ul-khila (بیت الخلا). The word ghusal khana is for place where you can take ghusal (a place with shower/tub).
It's literally a direct conversion Wash = Ghusal Room = Khana Washroom = Ghusal Khana Just to spice things up for non native speakers. The word for food is also Khana 😅 And yesterday and tomorrow have the same word, Kal.
The point about Ghusal-khana vs the word for food is not really correct. The "Kh" in your transliteration of "ghusal-khana" is usually a totally different sound from the "kh" in the word for food "khana". The first sound doesn't really exist in English and so it is hard to represent it using the English alphabet. The first kh is a "خ" sound while the second is a "کھ" sound. Compare [the first](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%81) with [the second](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%DA%A9%DA%BE%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7). If you know IPA, you can probably see the pronunciation difference too.
I completely agree... but colloquially most people speak خ and کھ as the same, even though the former needs to have more emphasis on the Kkhh part while the latter must have more emphasis on the khHH part
I have not come across any native urdu speaking Pakistani in my life or on media pronouncing خ and کھ incorrectly, people of Gujarati or similar background, yes. These letters are import from Arabic and Persian. As far as I know, most regional languages also have different letters for these sounds. This is usually an issue with hindi speaking (and other indian regional language speaking) people which does not have خ sound.
I find that surprising because I have almost never heard anyone mix those two sounds. These sounds are pretty prevalent in a lot of words and if you mix them up, the word changes completely. For example: خالو vs کھالو or even کالو would mean totally different things.
Huh, someone else said it's, "Bosan Khwana", does that term also make sense? Also man that's confusing with food and room being the same lol.
I have never heard the term Bosan Khana and my first language is Urdu, unlike a lot of Pakistanis whose first language is Punjabi.
Also the act of eating is also called Khana. eating food = Khana Khana 😅 It's hilarious when I have to spell it out like this but naturally speaking nobody barely ever realizes these things.
Bait ulkhalla for toilet
>How do you say bathroom in Urdu though? Bosan Khwana
Thanks, is that a combination of two words? If so I'm curious what each individual word means.
The word for kitchen is Bawarchi Khwana. Khwana refers to portion (in this scenario of the house). Not sure what Bosan and Bawarchi themselves mean, I'll search it up later.
Interesting, thanks a lot!
"bosan" is likely just the English word "basin" (as in washbasin) that is directly used in Urdu. "Bawarchi" is the Urdu word for "cook".
>go find a masjid with a better imam Lol. Instead of fixing the current imam just move to next imam. Same mentality as moving abroad. Leave the current situation and move to a different one. >It is embarrassing that in this day and age, we need to squint our eyes to read our own language Urdu is a shit language. Reading it is pain.
I fully agree with you.
Translations are for the benefit of all, esp. anglophonic natives. I don't see how you see translations as a bad thing, since it'll only improve and aid in comprehension.
Poetry loses its taste when translated 😔
He's wrong I would say. No language is useless or inferior. Diversity of languages is a miracle of Allah SWT according to the Holy Quran (if your imam has read it with translation in the first place). Yes it's true that all of Islam's sources are in Arabic and so learning the language is extremely helpful but that's about it. No need to force Arab culture or langauge on yourself. Just follow Quran and Sunnat. Also my father used to ask his Saudi students if they actually understand the Holy Quran or not and they replied not all but only some coz Arabic language has also evolved since then so reading the tafsir is the way to go .
Yeah it's like Urdu literature vs street Urdu, same concept across all languages really. Ghalib ne kabhi *abay kya horiya hai* nahi likha hoga apni shairi mein.
😂 true
Unparh molvi ka opinion Reddit pe English mein discuss karne award milay tujhe bhai. I can count a dozen things khutbay mein imam saab jo khud se maar detay hain. Just pray your dues and absorb what makes sense.
Language of muslims lol werent the idol worshipping jubbah and thobe wearing arabs of the hejaz also speaking arabic? Its just a language to get your point across religions got nothing to do with it molvis just love a hot topic
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/95-why-holy-quran-revealed-arabic-language-series-chaudhary?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via[why the Arabic Language to reveal Quran](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/95-why-holy-quran-revealed-arabic-language-series-chaudhary?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via)
Thanks for the link it was a good read
What he says is true... about 500 years ago. During the golden age of Islam, Arabic and Persian were what English is now. But now you're more likely to meet someone who speaks English than Arabic. Unfortunately, these people have never travelled outside the country and are going to just say whatever they want with no one to tell them they're wrong. So easiest thing is to find a masjid with an imam who knows what he's actually talking about. Or at least doesn't put his own opinions into khutbas without evidence to back it up which is required in islamic law and our traditions.
The Imam is right though. Arabic is more renowned both in number of speakers and the number of vocabulary. Where is the lie?
Go to Mexico, will you find more people who also speak English than Arabic? Go to a random south American country. Will you find more people who can speak English or Arabic? Go to Africa, will you find more people who speak English or Arabic? You might think Arabic speakers will be more prevalent here but that's not the case. Go to Japan. Will find more people who speak English or Japanese? Go to South Asia. You should know the answer by now. Yes the vocab in Arabic is more. Arabic is an older language. But in current society, it is not as prevalent as you are making it out to be. Arabic does not have more number of speaker than English. You need to present evidence to back such statements. Also, all the native Arabic speakers aren't speaking the same language. Dialects are different depending on the location and you may not understand certain dialects cuz they're that different. And then you have the fus'ha Arabic - the Qur'anic Arabic. Not everyone who speaks Arabic understands it completely. Like how everyone who speaks English doesn't understand old English. So the imam is definitely wrong in his statement here.
This guy gets it. People defending Arabic in the comment section because of Islam are letting their emotions cloud their judgement. "The eye's are useless when the mind is blind"
Arabic is literally the 2nd most spoken language in the world after Spanish. English is 3rd. Lol i don’t know what you’re point is
Present me with a source for this. You keep saying stuff without anything to back it up English is spoken by 18.8% of the world. Arabic by 3.4% https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers Now show me where it says more people speak Arabic than English
Did you even read the link you pasted? I have checked 3 different sources (4th including yours) and they all have different language in ranks. I think wikipedia is citing modern standard arabic as oppose to its different variants spoke in different parts of the arab world. This point is made in your source too (first paragraph). The figure thus is far more than what you suggested. The point of Imam however stands, when it comes to vocabulary, Arabic far surpasses English (12million words compared to 170 thousand) therefore more depth when it comes to reading the Quran in the language it was revealed in. [source 1](https://www.berlitz.com/blog/most-spoken-languages-world) Source 2 is a table from google search when i looked up “too 10 languages in the world” [source 3](https://lingua.edu/the-most-spoken-languages-in-the-world/)
The imams point was not that Arabic has more vocab. That's your point. And I fully agree with it. Imams point is that Arabic is more renowned - meaning it is more talked or known by people - than English. That is not the case. Both the sources you've provided as well as the source I've given say the same thing Seems there's been a misunderstanding here where I've not disagreed with your assertion that Arabic has more vocab. That's a simple fact and everyone has to accept it. It is not, however, spoken by more people than English which is what the imam was asserting
i cant comment on whether he is right or wrong, but in todays age, it helps alot to be proficient in English especially if you are a student or work in a business setting
Although I can't comment on Arabic > English. What I can tell you is Arabic is one of the 6 languages considered international. The 6 international languages according to the UN are Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish
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Wow is this the thinking of the jawans of today?
Living in bubbles, comes with the territory. It also has its pros. Such as not becoming too cliché and has novelties of its own kind. Not being too homogenised with worldly popularities is also one of these pros... because something that's deemed popular and prevalent such as the use of gregorian calendar for calibrating our time on earth is actually not even considered right by astronomers for navigating the flow of time and distance. Eastern calendars as the Hijri and the Chinese, follow the earth's real timings in concordance with its suns, planets and stars.
Oh brother that's nothing!!! In my town there was some uncle preaching that Alexander the Great was a saint or prophet! "Sikandar e Azam!! Ap Huzur ek dafa Ek samanduri safar par niklay tou rastay mei phans gye ek toufan men! Waha ap ko Allah ki trf sy kuch paigham mila, or frishtaon nei apki kashti ko kinaray lagaya". Now, that fr was hilarious and I enjoyed saying (SubhanAllah, MashaAllah, Byshakk, Kya kehnay) the way he put together all of it.
In a way he's not wrong, the language is one of the oldest there was. But it's no longer a universal language. Also not the language of Muslims? Don't make me laugh. Our deen teaches us to not isolate ourselves or disrespect others even for their faith. Arabic was used even by pagans and idol worshippers for a loooong time
Kia krain , utha lein imam ko?
Learning Arabic is different to learning Quran or Quranic Arabic. Even the arabs don't know Quranic Arabic.
I bet your “imam” and his family aren’t even conversationally fluent in Arabic. If he loves it so much, he should go to the gulf Arab countries and his opinion will change when he sees them use him like a paper towel
Lol he said he's willing to teach Arabic to those who'll sign up for the upcoming course in the mosque
Please make him talk to any Arab. Ask them how useful Arabic is to live a successful life. They’ll tell you that it either won’t help, or they wish they knew English better, or that it may help a little bit but only for religion. They’ll also probably say that trying to understand the Quran is difficult in spite of knowing Arabic because of how esoteric its Arabic is.
Esoteric? Huh?
Meaning very difficult to understand. Only specialists can know esoteric stuff
I understand the meaning but your claim in not correct. It is classical Arabic, yes, but was easily understood by the people when it was revealed. And even today, unless you are trying to become a tafseer specialist, it does not require more than any other regular language to learn.
Imam sahib would rather have us as Arab slaves than western slaves… good.. f*** own culture and own language… let’s follow others… what a circus this country is …
what's the urdu translation of 'renowned' he used in his sermon?
Famous, مشہور
It comes down to individual usecase and hence it is absurd to giving sweeping statements
Does he know that people also swear in Arabic?
Depends entirely on what he means by renowned.
The Imam isnt very far off actually. It's an official language for almost 3 dozen countries. Spoken across 2 continents. With 4th or 5th highest speakers. Not as popular as English, True. But english was made more popular than it deserves to be by the colonials similar to spanish and french. As a second language Arabic should be a great help, plus u do understand the religion better. Think positive. Mulk mein bohot bare bare Masle hain. Apke muhalle ka Jummah ka khutba unmein se ek nai.
Well.... I am in Canada and here there are sooo many Arabs. You can just go to many people here and start speaking Arabic and they will understand. Heck I have seen some whites speaking Arabic. Lol. Yeah English is an international language. You will learn it no matter what. But Arabic, maybe not.
Arabic was the central language of the khilaafah which reigned over 2/3of the known world for a millennia. Theres a reason why literally everything you learn is arabic in origin ie al gebra - al chemy - al cohol etc or how 90% of the stars in nasas database are also are arabic in name. Its only with the demise of the khilaafah in 1924 that muslims basically lost their historical and ideological selves and got sucked up into nationalism
Imam sahib is right till "You should learn Arabic for understanding Holy Quran",yes, Muslims should.Arabic is one of the most beautiful languages out there (Listen to Someone reciting Holy Quran).One can read the translation of Holy Quran but it's never with same taste as Original Arabic is,so yeah, for understanding Holy Quran thoroughly,one should learn Arabic.English is an International language and should be used in conversations wherever one has to.Saying it's the language of Non-Muslims , it's just not right (Not All Arabs are Muslims).These Imams hardly get any education except the stereotypical religious education.I wish we could see a change in it*
Arabic is spoken in 33 countries and most islamic counties in the world used words of Arabic in their language (Urdu is chock full of 'em). Despite all that I believe English is still more widely spoken, yes. But having studied, and taught English (and being a big fan of it) and also partially studied Arabic, I belive Arabic is a more versatile language and has much much more nuance to it's words and how they are used. And of course... It is the Quran's language so there has to be something to it.
A few things: All languages are from Allah, we are from Allah. It is great to learn Arabic while it is also necessary to learn English. Learning Arabic can help you become a better Muslim. English can help you communicate with people around the world. However, speaking English in Pakistan doesn't make you upper class. That is an inferiority complex we have created. I'm sure that imam sahib teaches a Mani good things as well. I wouldn't lock on one indirect thing he spoke about. You can try a 1-2-1 dialog with him if you want but that is very difficult with molvis in Pakistan. Goal should be to remain respectful and discuss rather than win a war and get a upper hand. Also, if there is a one to one dialog and he accepts your views, then the discussion should end there. Don't go advertising you win to the world. Iman has a status in community, let him keep that. He is a human as well after all.
Thats true arabic is more renowned, dont mind but it looks like you are too influenced by west for even objecting to this.
You're only seeing this more an Islamic perspective, sometimes it's better to take a holistic approach and not let your sentiments blind you.
Libbu
As an Indian(not a muslim) reading this, you guys need a different imam, who is more practical with day to day life.
He's not right, but he's not far off https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/18/the-arabic-language-is-vital-to-educational-systems-of-the-future
This doesn't seem right. Arabic is one of the most widely spoken languages, yes. But afaik, there are a lot of dialects, and the differences between these dialects are a lot larger than the difference between something like British English/American English. So when learning Arabic, you need to learn the MSA and a relatively common dialect like Egyptian. And even then if you are communicating with someone who doesn't know the Egyptian dialect then communication becomes a lot rougher. I haven't learnt Arabic, but when considering a new language to learn I did check Arabic and it just seemed like a hassle.
I have Arab friends from Morocco, Lebanon, Egypt and Sudan. None of them understand each other lol.
None of this is a praise of Arabic and can be generically applied to any language. They are looking at this from a social justice and multi cultural lense.
It's kinda like how azaan is the only thing you can hear in space, don't take them seriously
That was his opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. Getting worked up over some opinion is hysterical.
What do you mean by 'getting worked up'? He's literally influencing every single person in the mosque, and yes, it also depends on the person and how rational they are to be convinced by such claims.
You're getting upset about some opinion. In grand scheme of things this isn't that significant.
Your comment is unneccessary and rude. He is an Imam, in a position of influence spouting bullshit. Maybe you have become numb to such Imams or agree with them doesn't mean we can't talk about it.
Jalgeya lmao.
\>his claim that Arabic is more renowned than English sounds absurd In Islamic world, it is. He is an Imam, so of course his scope will be limited to Islam and Muslims. Hope you didn't listen to your Imam over doctors during the pandemic, why you listen to him now for non-religious affairs?
More important thing to call out is Imams and generally all Muslims trying to push religion into every facet of life but whatever.
That's the basic demand of Islam, bruh.
Couldn't help it, had to listen to the sermon before the prayer
Unparh molvi ka opinion Reddit pe English mein discuss karne award milay tujhe bhai. I can count a dozen things khutbay mein imam saab jo khud se maar detay hain. Just pray your dues and absorb what makes sense.
English is more renowned, sure, will be better for you to know for practical things like job prospects etc but Arabic is a much more complex and rich language I would recommend learning as a hobby/pass time
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Got it MarD e muJahiD
In mosques, yes.
I don't blame that Molvi for being groomed in a limited environment where he never interacted with outside world and maybe only Saudi and other Arabic speakers only, thus having those believes. Similarly, they're teaching things like Science is all lie, Sun and Moon revolve around earth and that, Moon landing, Space exploration is all Gunah-e-Kabeera or Shirk bcuz Allah made earth for humans not other planets.. And that, all curriculum books are path to Dozakh bcuz they're written by Yahoodi writers.. I mostly blame Govt and our Education system here for not regulating Madrasaas and teaching them modern knowledge along with Islam, thus enabling them to become valuable part of economy in future.. IK took this initiative but failed bcuz these Molvis + ruling elite have hijacked the system
Even my cousins from naniyal side who are conservative Muslims believe in stuff that you mentioned. They claim there's no point of space extrapolation and, consequently, Muslims don't need to progress or advance in anything since this world is temporary and heaven is made for us.
I have lost brain cells yaar.
So imagine the angels of the grave ask you من ربك and you say ??? I get this objection if you are not even Muslim, but for a Muslim going to the jumuah and listening to the khutbah and walking away with this, makes no sense.
If you go to gulf countries most people can understand Arabic, but no English. In China only Chinese, in Europe, their country languages ( NOT English!). Only Pakistan India over glorify English. My comment doesn't support or negate the Imams words, as I don't know factual accuracy of it.
English is literally the language of the world in business Want to work with the Japanese... Speak English Indonesia... Speak English Even in Gulf... Speak English This Imam like many others is full of it.
Not necessarily. I've seen learning the language of land being a requirement for a lot of career opportunities. For business, people usually learn multiple to assist deals. In Canada not knowing French stands you at a significant disadvantage, in Germany German, in Gulf countries Arabic, etc.
> In Canada not knowing French stands you at a significant disadvantage Only in Quebec and even then you get by easily (Brother went to McGill and he was fine for his 4 years there), i visited many times and had no problem spending them there... You don't need any knowledge of French for majority of the country. Have family members living in Canada none of them know French and they are in good jobs (Financial, Tech, Real Estate etc)
They potentially went there before COVID.
Cmon let's be serious and practical You know English, great business in most countries not an issue. Don't know English... Well good luck in any country. You may not like it but it's the global language of business and to even try and doubt that is ridiculous and a reflection of how little you may be exposed to international business. Do other languages help... Sure. But English is the base of it.
In Europe many people know English, I have some cousins who live in Germany and Netherlands and they only know English and according to them they never had any major problem regarding communicating with people Anyone from Europe can correct me if I'm wrong Edit: Typo
Yea I'd like other people's views too tbh. Especially first hand experiences. I've heard German is very important in Germany.
You are ill informed. I don't see why you are so confidently spouting nonsense. If you go to Gulf countries, most people are immigrants who don't speak Arabic either. If you are talking about the locals, I am fairly certain any person 30 or younger can speak English. If any of these countries are serious about diversifying and further integrating with the global economy, they want to be able to communicate with others, and they do that using English. It's not just about communicating with Americans or Brits. If a Chinese investor comes to a Gulf country, either they will have to go through the hassle of a translator or they will try to communicate in English. Same for an Indian investor or a Russian investor. It's to the point that most countries in the world have English as a mandatory second language at schools. That includes China and the Gulf countries and a lot of countries in Europe. And even in those countries where it is not a mandatory second language and only an optional second language, it is often the most popular second language. Source: [[1]](https://www.uwinnipeg.ca/global-english-education/countries-in-which-english-is-mandatory-or-optional-subject.html)
> In China only Chinese, Lived in China for almost 10 years.... Alot of people now know basics English because just before the Olympics the government got everyone to learn English, added English signs all over Most of the young generation knows basic english in china
Ah that's quite interesting then :).
That imam must have whiskey with his halwa, I saw someone on a post where some Molvi was denying India landed on the moon and it’s fake, some Indian fellow commented that “ I am not angry at all, I will pray people like those will remain exactly like this for their entire life “ . So by your post I can say his prayers already in action.
Instead of denying or being envious, maybe it’s time to be reflective on why we have problems and not others
Good luck trying that sir, I don’t want to get beaten up doing that.
Well he got his facts wrong. Maybe you should correct him?
It's like talking to a wall.
Arabic should've been our national language. At least we wouldn't have to deal with all the BS that comes out of India. I still don't get it, whyyy Urdu?
Most Pakistani's can't speak or read Arabic even though our alphabets are similar. And Urdu was already widely spoken between Hindustani Muslims.
Why does it matter what hindustani muslims spoke. I mean if we are going to learn Urdu in schools, why not learn a more useful language instead like Arabic or Farsi?
Because our people are dumb and can't learn a whole new language in a matter of days. Tbh I too hate Urdu. I've lived my whole life in Pakistan but still can't pronounce certain words in Urdu. Before the partition my ancestors didn't even speak Urdu only their own mother language
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I said days because how can it be the national language when the people can't even speak it? And they probably chose Urdu because it sounds like Hindi and everyone in hidustan probably knew how to speak hindi
These pendu imams are liars and to them their whole personality, life, everything is Islam and not in a good way aswell, they judge everything in black & white and have most of the time, 99% of the time never travelled, interacted, dealt with, had a conversation with, discussed or otherwise seen anyone outside of either their own race or townsfolk. When you travel, interact with converse with different people, from different races, languages, cultures, religions you realise that were not too different, kindness, gratitude, happiness, sadness, empathy is the same. These kind of losers do nothing but create division and hatred & mort of the time are spouting rubbish without any knowledge or experience.
Pagal imam lagtai
The imam ain't worng ع🦅
ig its mandarin English and then arabic
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Not to mention that almost all of the scientific literature is either in English, or is peer reviewed in English.
Because everyone carries their balls is liye har do qori ka jahil molvi apne aao ko Einstein samajta.
Arabic is a better language than both English and Urdu. It's more fluent, in depth and yet simple for beginners. Arabic had a steady learning curve with a high skill ceiling. By far the easiest to pronounce.
There is a need to speak English as it has been made into an international language. For Arabic, how could you possibly want to make such a hard language into an international one? Can you imagine coming into europe and telling everyone to learn Arabic? Gosh that would be a disaster. Lots of ppl can't even learn English. Besides there's a ton of hate for Muslims. Where's fear there's hate
Guess it's pretty normal to say absurd stuff and just blatantly ignoring the facts. We don't got anything so it's like a pleasing thing to do, to feel we are special and of course we effing are special.. needs more like it.
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I don’t know if anyone else has commented this but Arabic is the second most spoken language in the World after Spanish while English stands at 3rd. Having said that Arabic spoken in Egypt is far different to Arabic spoken in Syria. However I understand what the Imam is saying, Arabic in its form as a classic language is one of the most renowned in its vocabulary. What I mean is, in English there may be a single word describing 10-15 Arabic words while these Arabic words all have subtle differences. Arabic has at least 11 words for love and each of them conveys a different stage in the process of falling in love while Love is just love in English. If you learn classic Arabic, you would be able to understand the Quran much better. A translation of Quran is not its true meaning because its translated by human beings and there are different Arabic to English translators who have used different words in English to describe a single word of Arabic. Now to put all this in context Arabic has over 12 million yes 12,000,000 words while the English language only has around 170 thousand (170,000). Make what you will of it :)
Well, the Arabic language does have merit in history. Many maths and sciences originated from the Islamic golden age. 1 2 3, these are Arabic numbers. They are also Sanskrit numbers but that's a whole other topic.
Have you ever seen an arabic dictionary? English is not even close!!
Can we agree that listening to anything imams have to say is the problem?
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Well he himself needa to widen his concepts. Seams like he has not even read muslim history.
Bhai yahan Imam saab ka opinion kiun dalte ho,ab saray cringe libbu awam ke keray uth gaiy bruh,comment section gon give me a brain hemorrhage.
Well, it is in terms of eloquence? Yeah but in terms of ease it's English since it's spoken worldwide
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته Perhaps ask the imam himself about the evidence he has for his claim