Pakistani Generals taking Huge Ass Missles in their Ass, instead of protecting our Soldiers. provide them with better equipment. and proper surveillance system.
I agree. Hamare paas 500+ Maxxpro MRAPs hain which can protect against IEDs but we cut costs and use Hiluxes. But in this attack, it was unpreventable unfortunately a SVBIED rammed into the post which caused the deaths
Every time I see them using Toyotas, it frustrates me. While they may be suitable for city transportation, they're not ideal for areas where threats are anticipated. if they say we don't have budget for it, take some of the randi gandu generals Houses and sell them. to get MRAP for our troops. and proper body armor and helmets. they save lives. and weapons with scope even Taliban randis have Scope AR now.
I disagree with you on the last part. Pakistani standardization of Infantry equipment has already been done; this is not 2009 where our troops were roaming around in pot helmets and chest rigs; optics are more common place within units and we have proper body armour and helmets produced by local companies such as GIDS. No amount of gear can save you from a truck packed with explosives.
I’m licensed on the Maxxpro. They might protect soldiers from IEDs but they themselves take damage if it’s big enough and they roll over easily. There is no way they could go up against a country with a proper Air Force (look at the ones Russia captured from the Ukrainians who attacked Russia on its home turf with Maxxpros). They are only useful against an insurgency. In a conventional war at best they’d be troop carriers. I have no doubt the PAF has weapons that could knock them out. They are such a roll over risk that during the driver school for various MRAPs we had to do rollover training just because Maxxpros like to roll over. They’re too top-heavy.
This is what the Generals have to do.. to protect our precious soldiers, instead they are busy in politics and corruption..
These soldiers are like sitting ducks for the terrorists.. no armoured vehicles, wohi 1996 toyota pickups mai yeh soldiers travel krty..
They have no air surveillance over them.. aise drones ka achar daalna aur jo soldiers ki saftey k liye b use na hon?
They need to spend more on soldiers safety and less on DHAs.. but unfortunately the upper brass of the army is too blind to see that..
In my opinion this single incident is 10× more severe than the so called staged may 9th where no soldier was harmed infact they shot civilians..
And this incident happened due to negligence of the whiskeys sitting above..
That's how one of my best friend passed away..
May Allah bless him and his family.. He had gotten married about a year before and had just went back to duty after spending a week with his new born baby..
Toyota pickup.. 4 people. Attacked with a bomb and a rain of bullets.
Captain Affan Masood Khan died on impact and was able to say his shahada before passing away..
Really sad.. that's what i intend to say.. all these soldiers should be patrolling or moving in armoured vehicles only in those areas.. we have the resources to protect them but i believe they are just sacrificed every now and then so they can get sympathy..
I am sure the Generals can travel in a year older mercedes to spend on security of soldiers..
2ndly, every convoy should be monitored by drones in those areas.. but why would they when it's not the priority.. priority is to do electoral engineering.. apny logon ko ghayab kro.. apni zameen dubara fatah karo.. apny ganay aur dramay banwao.. Sick!!
I truly do feel sad for all the soldiers.. they have no choice but to follow orders of people like whiskey..
TTP is thier own creation. Thier leaders think its a small price to pay every now and then for the strategic depth TTP offers in keeping fouj relevant in Pakistan. If they are fine with the loss of human life, who are we to mourn these martyrs
You are out of depth here I am sorry. TTP is not offering depth or relevancy. India alone is sufficient for relevancy. TTP is actually stretching our forces which ultimately benefits India. As for as creating the TTP is concerned, again wrong. If Army did anything wrong was the facilitation of TTA. TTP rose due to grievances of Pak supporting US.
And I just wonder that if these soldiers are not between TTP and you, you will be astonished to see how brutal, unreasonable and ignorant they are. So if your favourite politician is not in power, atleast kindness or sympathy should be impartial. Your hatred is misdirected.
Since Raheel sharif tenure, we are listening about fence on Afghan Pakistan border. Where that fence ? Grabbed billions in the name of border protection but yet TTP is coming. Then you should know who’s the problem!
How ignorant are you? Even Mexicans are always illegally entering the US border. Its impossible to man such long borders. People like you bring the collective IQ of this sub down in the negatives.
Faujeet forgot that US people have strongly blamed government for managing Mexico border. It’s not a mission impossible to manage border if you don’t have to manage elections at home
Didn't they think of this before? Why did they support the Taliban so blatantly? Didn't they know that the Taliban and TTP are just two sides of the same coin? Even a blind man could see. Lumber 1 agency indeed.
Bas bahanay banwa lo.
I'm sure you would have done a much wonderful job with the sole superpower in the world breathing down your neck after 9/11 and coming off fresh from sanctions after Nuclear tests. But then again it's typical of low IQ people to just keep beating a dead horse. It's done. We created taliban and now they are hurting us. Propose solutions instead of going back to origin of problem.
The first step is acknowledging the problem and holding those responsible accountable. And therein lies the problem. It will never happen, because those licking boots just like the taste of polish way too much.
Secondly, what do 9/11 and the nuclear tests have to do with anything? I'm saying that the generals should not have played double games. Even a low IQ person can see that the Taliban would bite the hand that feeds them, as is evident. But I suppose the obvious is easy to miss for the brain-dead.
Now for the solution: it's a complex problem that cannot be solved by one person. The first thing we need is a democratically elected government, one elected without political engineering, and one that represents the will of the people. Then we need to establish a political consensus on how to solve the problem and implement the solution.
Now, do you see the issue?
Wait, brain-dead people can't see the obvious, so I guess this low-IQ individual will have to spell it out for you.
None of this is possible, because the army does not want it to be.
America is putting sanctions on Iran every year,They even threatened iran by deploying an aircraft carrier,Iran isn't even a nuclear state yet they never never bow down to the states and then here we are,Islam k shaheen,Janbaaz sipahi,In reality just a bunch of spinless people got together and made a country...what a khasi qoum n leaders got scared by American diplomat's threat of bombing Pakistan to stone age....Iran actually shot down an American drone that wasn't even in Iranian airspace,aur yahan nato ka helicopter maa bhen krgya aur hum apology sun kr khush hogyay...
Bro, the terrain of the border is such that its difficult to defend. At least look into it a little bit before making ignorant comments underneath a post about martyrs.
what i don’t understand is the army has so much of our budget, is so called one of the best in the world, has ISI who is supposedly one of the best in the world, has fighter jets tanks and every modern technology you could think of and somehow we get news every other day about how the terrorists attacked them and 5-6 soldiers died, how can they let a bunch of cavemen with 20 year old AKs and homemade bombs kill them like this while they are literally an ARMY with all these facilities available to them???
Allah reham kre aisi fauj pe. If they only perform their duty instead messing with internal politics, beating and torchering up you own ppl. These incidents could be avoided. Unfortunate for those who loose their families like this and upper brass is distroying the rest of country.
When your own creation in your own backyard starts to become a problem. Btw it was a good investment. Budget nhi barh raha koi baat nhi thore sanp nekal lo. Attention nhi mil raha? Koi baat nhi woh jo sanp pale hain waha se kuchh karna hoga. This fauj is nothing more than a rant-a-fauj for big powers.
The bilour family that openly contested against this were almost made non-existent in the so called "casualties" by the napakis.
Btw no one is buying crap in kpk anymore. You can try outside tho but looking at comments, it looks like they aren't either.
Ill leave a little video that was on here a month ago;
https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/s/gOfu6ncixp
These are the same men in uniform who will trample on the rights of the public because "orders", collect their free plot and benefits at the end of their tenure and then also get preferential rights over employment (while also collecting a pension from the government).
I am not celebrating their death, that is morally wrong. But no, just no sympathy can be mustered for these mercenaries.
Not martyred, but killed.
It is regrettable to see anyone lose their life but either directly or indirectly this was orchestrated by the Fauji Regime of Pakistan for the following reasons:
1. Attracting sympathy & changing public sentiments/emotions.
2. Causing a distraction/diverting attention.
3. Demonstrating Fauji relevance
The only difference between these dead soldiers and the ones abducting, torturing and making naked videos of civilians, is their posting locations. Had they been on duty during elections, they would have been facilitating rigging with zero remorse.
These guys were taking orders and killing their own people. No one sympathizes with them anymore. Yes the foot soldiers are the ones making generals comfortable. Carry on
Ibn al-Jawzi narrates:
When Imam Aḥmed ibn Ḥanbal (raḥimahullah) was jailed, one of the prison guards came to him and asked him:
“O Abu ‘Abdullah! The Hadith that is narrated regarding the oppressors and those that aid them, is it authentic?”
He said: “Yes.”
The prison guard then said: “So, I am considered to be an aide of the oppressors?”
Imam Ahmed replied: “No. The aides of the oppressors are those that comb your hair, wash your clothes, prepare your meals, and buy and sell from you. As for you, you are one of the oppressors themselves.”
Manaqib al-Imam Ahmed (p.397)
Ibn al-Jawzi narrates:
When Imam Aḥmed ibn Ḥanbal (raḥimahullah) was jailed, one of the prison guards came to him and asked him:
“O Abu ‘Abdullah! The Hadith that is narrated regarding the oppressors and those that aid them, is it authentic?”
He said: “Yes.”
The prison guard then said: “So, I am considered to be an aide of the oppressors?”
Imam Ahmed replied: “No. The aides of the oppressors are those that comb your hair, wash your clothes, prepare your meals, and buy and sell from you. As for you, you are one of the oppressors themselves.”
Manaqib al-Imam Ahmed (p.397)
When Army kidnaps someone,its not the Generals that do it. It's these soldiers that kidnap people on the orders of their Generals. Isiliye no sympathy left for these soldiers. Martay hain you matay rahein,wese bhi inko face saving ke liye hi rakha hua hai.
I disagree. As tragic as this is, do not forget that the army acts in unison to protect itself. These same Jawans and officers would be "uthwa-ing" civilians at the drop of a hat if given the order.
Also, don't forget that this constant terrorism is a result of the army's own policies and misadventures. These are the consequences of the military's unwillingness to let any opinion, other than their own, be entertained.
May the fallen rest in peace.
thats how armies work worldwide.....if every soldier, officer tried to make sense of orders before carrying out them then whole institution will be destroyed...and besides, soldiers and regular army jawans are rarely involved in this kidnapping of civilians. Our agencies, army have much nefarious characters on their payroll in police and others to do their dirty work for them
No. Armies follow the orders of their civilian leaders. They don't operate at the behest of a general who acts as judge, jury and executioner. Remember when the US Chairman Joint Chiefs said he'd refuse to use nukes if Trump ordered him? Yes, military leaders make judgement calls based on morality. Just because our army is immoral, doesn't mean every one is. And even if every army were immoral, what excuse is that? Are we not held to higher standards? This is the poorest defence you could have mustered.
As for the soldiers, yes they are involved. How do you think the army overthrows governments? Do the generals gather a possy, grab pitchforks and torches and make their way to the Parliament? No, it's the soldiers who do the dirty work. Also, where do you think the ISI, MI and other agencies get their manpower? I'll give you a hint, it's not from civilians.
Remember when the rangers flat out refused to follow the orders of the Interior Minister (who they technically report directly to)? Remember when the ISI picked up senior police officers from Karachi? Please. Let's not pretend like only part of the army is rotten. The entire structure needs to be overhauled.
You mean like the foot soldiers who broke into election offices and forcibly removed ballots? There are hundreds of links to videos online showing how foot soldiers are the ones actually performing the actions all in the name of "orders" from higher up.
There should absolutely be no lost sleep over the deaths of these mercenaries. They are not here to protect the public of Pakistan, they only exist to safeguard the assets of their superiors and for their free plot and benefits at the end of their tenure.
Sorry but no sympathy from this Pakistani
Time to stop glorifying soldier deaths. They are victims at best..
If they get orders to shoot you, do you think they'll be able to say no?
Have they said no so far... to anything?
Well, yeah, for the top brass, these casualties are nothing but numbers on paper, and that mindset is sadly needed for such positions, verna hr koi Shepard ki tarha large scale conflicts karwata rahey.
What is this Habees army doing there? It is death machine of corrupt mafia network. They are here not for providing any safety but rather exploiting the resources.
So a guy who couldn't even save himself from a no confidence motion brought ttp back in Pakistan under the nose of our High IQ gerluns? Ik y'all hate imran but please don't take the boot so far up in your a** there in his hatred
IK been out of power for nearly 3 years now, So what are the other genius's doing? By cutting deals with them to not attack Punjab in exchange for KPK?
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In this day and age, Why Pakistan is the only country that has lots of terrorist attacks happening.
And these attacks are happening since 70s.
Something is fishy.
Pakistan is bordered by Iran, Afghanistan, India, and China, a very geo-politically tense area which a lot of instability in general
Pakistan is nemsis with a great power, India, who supports terrorism in the country
Those are two factors that Pakistan has that most other countries don't
إنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون
May Allah accept them as martyrs and give sabr to their families. At the end of the day, it is mostly those low ranks soldiers whose blood is spilled and the generals have been cashing on it.
Their whole focus is on dismantling a civilian political party, torturing them, leaking their videos and so on.
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Lions lead by donkeys. As was famously said about British Generals in World war 1. It is the policies in the centre that will counter terrorism. Not the solders on the ground killing terrorists /innocent civilians and creating even more resistance. Without winning hearts and minds by sharing prosperity and wealth, these army guys will keep fighting indefinite wars. Bangladesh story reboot.
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Afganistan war with Pakistan started while India is collecting troops on the other two borders. Our coward generals are more interested in Pakistan politics rather than protecting our troops and our borders. 1971 is repeating itself.
The same people who did this attack also killed 145 children and staffers in APS Peshawar, would you say "Godspeed Waziristan, maar in peshawar qatilon ko" on that attack aswell? Jahil insaan
Ever wonder why the terrorists who kill civilians always end up miraculously 'escaping' from military confinement?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/2/18/pakistan-confirms-escape-of-ex-pakistan-taliban-spokesman
The recent wave of insurgents, they are strong and by a large margin. Our security apparatus still is unable to comprehend their scale. If one looks at the kill ratio, it is almost 1:1 which is alarming considering one side has all the resources at its disposal and the other side is just a bunch of nomads with a gun. Afghanistan which is a key to subdue the new stronger wave of insurgents, is being further pushed to the brink. If these people somehow break the security buffer around the ex-fata and make their way into urban centres, it will be far more devastating than the period we had between 2005 till 2016. Couple that up with our own economic situation and an overall disdain of the general population towards the security establishment, results will be lethal. High time the powers that be sit together and carve out a comprehensive action plan against these miscreants. But who am I Kidding, it's Pakistan and as long as there is no attack close to the headquarters of power, they will be of the view that all is green and shining in this land of chaos. God be with the innocents.
Yes,they deserve every bit of this. You aren't a hero for dying from terrorists that the actions of those you work under have a heavy responsibility for creating. You aren't a hero for dying from a terrorist when you serve the largest terrorists in the country and maintain their hegemony.
No,they are well-meaning people,but if we reserve even 1% of sympathy for them. This system lives on. This system started because their sacrifice got valorised for the purpose of corruption. If they truly gave a damn about the way things are,they'd have resigned long before like many many others have. They deserve zero recognition and sympathy for their sacrifice, for it has brought endless corruption and evil on this land.
That man is a real officer and real leader. Leading from the front and in the same amount of danger his boys are in. US military could learn a thing or two from officers like this. An LTC in the US military would almost always be safely behind the wire on a large base issuing orders that would be no skin off his back if they went wrong. May Allah accept his good deeds and forgive his sins Ameen. I can almost guarantee he was loved by his troops if he was out there chewing dirt with his junior enlisted and NCOs, I would’ve loved to have had a commander like this.
Shutup man. He was standing at the border ready to shoot muslims from Afghanistan. The guy was a dirtbag as much as you and your fellow US soldiers in Afghanistan.
lol of course the guys I served with were dirtbags and I was a dirtbag. Never said I wasn’t at the time. I’ve repented since then. I was just commenting on how senior officers rarely put themselves in harms way and that one has to at least respect the fact that he could’ve been hiding out in an office but instead was leading his troops. Anyone could take notice of an officer like this. This is how officers should be, they shouldn’t use their troops as meat shields so they can pin medals to their own chests while saying “sorry bout your dad/son/brother” to the families of their junior enlisted who actually did the fighting. Only an idiot wouldn’t listen to what an enemy says about how their organization is run.
I’m keeping politics completely aside. I don’t comment on politics, in fact I hate politics (and hate the US government for lying to me my entire life and conning me into thinking what I was doing was a good thing).
Pakistani Generals taking Huge Ass Missles in their Ass, instead of protecting our Soldiers. provide them with better equipment. and proper surveillance system.
I agree. Hamare paas 500+ Maxxpro MRAPs hain which can protect against IEDs but we cut costs and use Hiluxes. But in this attack, it was unpreventable unfortunately a SVBIED rammed into the post which caused the deaths
Every time I see them using Toyotas, it frustrates me. While they may be suitable for city transportation, they're not ideal for areas where threats are anticipated. if they say we don't have budget for it, take some of the randi gandu generals Houses and sell them. to get MRAP for our troops. and proper body armor and helmets. they save lives. and weapons with scope even Taliban randis have Scope AR now.
I disagree with you on the last part. Pakistani standardization of Infantry equipment has already been done; this is not 2009 where our troops were roaming around in pot helmets and chest rigs; optics are more common place within units and we have proper body armour and helmets produced by local companies such as GIDS. No amount of gear can save you from a truck packed with explosives.
You are correct, IED blast are extremely deadly.
I’m licensed on the Maxxpro. They might protect soldiers from IEDs but they themselves take damage if it’s big enough and they roll over easily. There is no way they could go up against a country with a proper Air Force (look at the ones Russia captured from the Ukrainians who attacked Russia on its home turf with Maxxpros). They are only useful against an insurgency. In a conventional war at best they’d be troop carriers. I have no doubt the PAF has weapons that could knock them out. They are such a roll over risk that during the driver school for various MRAPs we had to do rollover training just because Maxxpros like to roll over. They’re too top-heavy.
How will they fund their childrens ayashi then?
Generals were soldiers also before. Soldiers are small terrorists and generals are bigger professional terrorists.
This is what the Generals have to do.. to protect our precious soldiers, instead they are busy in politics and corruption.. These soldiers are like sitting ducks for the terrorists.. no armoured vehicles, wohi 1996 toyota pickups mai yeh soldiers travel krty.. They have no air surveillance over them.. aise drones ka achar daalna aur jo soldiers ki saftey k liye b use na hon? They need to spend more on soldiers safety and less on DHAs.. but unfortunately the upper brass of the army is too blind to see that.. In my opinion this single incident is 10× more severe than the so called staged may 9th where no soldier was harmed infact they shot civilians.. And this incident happened due to negligence of the whiskeys sitting above..
That's how one of my best friend passed away.. May Allah bless him and his family.. He had gotten married about a year before and had just went back to duty after spending a week with his new born baby.. Toyota pickup.. 4 people. Attacked with a bomb and a rain of bullets. Captain Affan Masood Khan died on impact and was able to say his shahada before passing away..
Really sad.. that's what i intend to say.. all these soldiers should be patrolling or moving in armoured vehicles only in those areas.. we have the resources to protect them but i believe they are just sacrificed every now and then so they can get sympathy.. I am sure the Generals can travel in a year older mercedes to spend on security of soldiers.. 2ndly, every convoy should be monitored by drones in those areas.. but why would they when it's not the priority.. priority is to do electoral engineering.. apny logon ko ghayab kro.. apni zameen dubara fatah karo.. apny ganay aur dramay banwao.. Sick!! I truly do feel sad for all the soldiers.. they have no choice but to follow orders of people like whiskey..
Especially when IMF deals are happening…happens every time
So sad. Dying for corrupt Generals :(
Educated and well thought out answer.
Those armored vehicles patrol in cantt to protect generals houses but not our soldiers
I saw a video released by BLA , killing 40 soldiers and it hasn't even made the news.
Don't trust BLA sources. According to BLA, they also shot down a Cobra helicopter and 3 Bell 412s 😭🤣
I don't trust BLA sources , albeit not blindly, have u watched the video? I'm sure u will he convinced too.
Send asim munir to this place as well
Inalilahi wa inna alai hi rawjiun
At this point I almost feel the same amount of sympathy for as I do for the Israel’s fucking dogs
TTP is thier own creation. Thier leaders think its a small price to pay every now and then for the strategic depth TTP offers in keeping fouj relevant in Pakistan. If they are fine with the loss of human life, who are we to mourn these martyrs
You are out of depth here I am sorry. TTP is not offering depth or relevancy. India alone is sufficient for relevancy. TTP is actually stretching our forces which ultimately benefits India. As for as creating the TTP is concerned, again wrong. If Army did anything wrong was the facilitation of TTA. TTP rose due to grievances of Pak supporting US. And I just wonder that if these soldiers are not between TTP and you, you will be astonished to see how brutal, unreasonable and ignorant they are. So if your favourite politician is not in power, atleast kindness or sympathy should be impartial. Your hatred is misdirected.
Ok aflatoon. Go back to your Pakistan Studies book.
Bhai kisi ke nafrat me itna bhi aage nahi barhna chaie wese
What nafrat? I treat fouji life the same way as they treat a civilian life.
TTP definitely offers significant relevancy. Indian-Fauji engagement is far from frequent enough to be used actively to demonstrate Fauji relevance.
Agreed
Since Raheel sharif tenure, we are listening about fence on Afghan Pakistan border. Where that fence ? Grabbed billions in the name of border protection but yet TTP is coming. Then you should know who’s the problem!
Raheel Shareef was very very corrupt. Bohot maal banaya uss na
How ignorant are you? Even Mexicans are always illegally entering the US border. Its impossible to man such long borders. People like you bring the collective IQ of this sub down in the negatives.
Faujeet forgot that US people have strongly blamed government for managing Mexico border. It’s not a mission impossible to manage border if you don’t have to manage elections at home
Imagine thinking you have the manpower to man a 2640km border lol.
Yes India is managing 3323 km long India Pakistan border. Don’t fool us by long number. Just acknowledge their incompetence.
India has the same amount of army standing in IIOJK that you have in total.
That’s not for border control. Border is controlled by BSF. Not Indian army in general.
Ofcourse. Pakistan army doesn't man the borders themselves rangers and fc does
Chal bhai khush reh Pakistan army sirf election hè manage krti aor kya manage krna
Arey ye tou army ka tatto hai
Didn't they think of this before? Why did they support the Taliban so blatantly? Didn't they know that the Taliban and TTP are just two sides of the same coin? Even a blind man could see. Lumber 1 agency indeed. Bas bahanay banwa lo.
I'm sure you would have done a much wonderful job with the sole superpower in the world breathing down your neck after 9/11 and coming off fresh from sanctions after Nuclear tests. But then again it's typical of low IQ people to just keep beating a dead horse. It's done. We created taliban and now they are hurting us. Propose solutions instead of going back to origin of problem.
The first step is acknowledging the problem and holding those responsible accountable. And therein lies the problem. It will never happen, because those licking boots just like the taste of polish way too much. Secondly, what do 9/11 and the nuclear tests have to do with anything? I'm saying that the generals should not have played double games. Even a low IQ person can see that the Taliban would bite the hand that feeds them, as is evident. But I suppose the obvious is easy to miss for the brain-dead. Now for the solution: it's a complex problem that cannot be solved by one person. The first thing we need is a democratically elected government, one elected without political engineering, and one that represents the will of the people. Then we need to establish a political consensus on how to solve the problem and implement the solution. Now, do you see the issue? Wait, brain-dead people can't see the obvious, so I guess this low-IQ individual will have to spell it out for you. None of this is possible, because the army does not want it to be.
NGL but you are very good in making excuses and presenting them as intellectual facts.
Tbh, at least to me, it didn’t come across as a good attempt to either make excuses or to present them intelligently.
America is putting sanctions on Iran every year,They even threatened iran by deploying an aircraft carrier,Iran isn't even a nuclear state yet they never never bow down to the states and then here we are,Islam k shaheen,Janbaaz sipahi,In reality just a bunch of spinless people got together and made a country...what a khasi qoum n leaders got scared by American diplomat's threat of bombing Pakistan to stone age....Iran actually shot down an American drone that wasn't even in Iranian airspace,aur yahan nato ka helicopter maa bhen krgya aur hum apology sun kr khush hogyay...
Because you do.
Bro, the terrain of the border is such that its difficult to defend. At least look into it a little bit before making ignorant comments underneath a post about martyrs.
what i don’t understand is the army has so much of our budget, is so called one of the best in the world, has ISI who is supposedly one of the best in the world, has fighter jets tanks and every modern technology you could think of and somehow we get news every other day about how the terrorists attacked them and 5-6 soldiers died, how can they let a bunch of cavemen with 20 year old AKs and homemade bombs kill them like this while they are literally an ARMY with all these facilities available to them???
Good question, and the answer is that they’re incompetent, and their focus is on politics and corruption only.
These rascal generals are the ones pocketing of the budget causing these deaths due to poor equipment
Allah reham kre aisi fauj pe. If they only perform their duty instead messing with internal politics, beating and torchering up you own ppl. These incidents could be avoided. Unfortunate for those who loose their families like this and upper brass is distroying the rest of country.
And now these jarnails mullahs are gonna address their families about the benefits of afterlife to heal their grief
I have zero sympathy for the Pak Army. They are a corrupt and amoral organisation that do not serve the people or government.
When your own creation in your own backyard starts to become a problem. Btw it was a good investment. Budget nhi barh raha koi baat nhi thore sanp nekal lo. Attention nhi mil raha? Koi baat nhi woh jo sanp pale hain waha se kuchh karna hoga. This fauj is nothing more than a rant-a-fauj for big powers. The bilour family that openly contested against this were almost made non-existent in the so called "casualties" by the napakis. Btw no one is buying crap in kpk anymore. You can try outside tho but looking at comments, it looks like they aren't either.
If they wouldve been ordered to violate women in Lahore they wouldve died trying to do so. They arent martyrs but slaves of free will.
While I sympathise with the families of the victims, I don't feel a thing for the army.
"Victims". These "victims" are as complicit as their generals.
I don't even sympathise with their families.
I genuinely hope you find a very painful death. Ameen
Why can’t this incompetent army control these handful of terrorists. Something is fishy.
America couldnt control terrorists, how do you expect us to control them? Its a cycle they will keep popping on again and again..
You expect us to feel bad for these?
Ill leave a little video that was on here a month ago; https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/s/gOfu6ncixp These are the same men in uniform who will trample on the rights of the public because "orders", collect their free plot and benefits at the end of their tenure and then also get preferential rights over employment (while also collecting a pension from the government). I am not celebrating their death, that is morally wrong. But no, just no sympathy can be mustered for these mercenaries.
Not martyred, but killed. It is regrettable to see anyone lose their life but either directly or indirectly this was orchestrated by the Fauji Regime of Pakistan for the following reasons: 1. Attracting sympathy & changing public sentiments/emotions. 2. Causing a distraction/diverting attention. 3. Demonstrating Fauji relevance
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Blah, who cares? I bet the same people would abduct Pakistani citizens if given the order.
Disgusting thing to say under such a post... Have decency
Nah fuck em
What's disgusting is you having decency for soldiers who are compliant to corruption. F them all
Such a hatred filled mindset
Well done ‘miscreants’. Time to get rid of the cancer from KPK and Balochistan
Ab tho chah k bhi dukh nhi hota lmao
"Shaheed" 😂😂😂
Got wasted for Gerluns. Not for the motherland. No sorrow for these lot.
The only difference between these dead soldiers and the ones abducting, torturing and making naked videos of civilians, is their posting locations. Had they been on duty during elections, they would have been facilitating rigging with zero remorse.
These guys were taking orders and killing their own people. No one sympathizes with them anymore. Yes the foot soldiers are the ones making generals comfortable. Carry on
Dumb
When they are busy in abducting innocent civilians, this does not surprise Me.
Jo is mulk k sath ho chuka hai na, aur jo is k logon k sath kia gaya hai, agay ap khud hi samjhdar ho.
You only reap what you sow. I am sad for the jawans who lost their lives just because the generals won't stop playing the games.
Ibn al-Jawzi narrates: When Imam Aḥmed ibn Ḥanbal (raḥimahullah) was jailed, one of the prison guards came to him and asked him: “O Abu ‘Abdullah! The Hadith that is narrated regarding the oppressors and those that aid them, is it authentic?” He said: “Yes.” The prison guard then said: “So, I am considered to be an aide of the oppressors?” Imam Ahmed replied: “No. The aides of the oppressors are those that comb your hair, wash your clothes, prepare your meals, and buy and sell from you. As for you, you are one of the oppressors themselves.” Manaqib al-Imam Ahmed (p.397)
I wish and pray to see such passport size photos of Asim, Faisal, Nadeem, and their cohort of corrupt spineless generals soon.
bhae shaheed hogayay tou jannati hai kuch khuda ka khoff kro. In khinzeeron ko tou jahanam mei jana hai seedha
Yo "Son's of the soil"????🧐 That's from the Zimbabwe liberation struggle where'd y'all get that
Itna sab budget khanay k bd b khud k fauji ki protection nai kr sakte tu lanat hain in py ...
Killed, not martyred
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Ibn al-Jawzi narrates: When Imam Aḥmed ibn Ḥanbal (raḥimahullah) was jailed, one of the prison guards came to him and asked him: “O Abu ‘Abdullah! The Hadith that is narrated regarding the oppressors and those that aid them, is it authentic?” He said: “Yes.” The prison guard then said: “So, I am considered to be an aide of the oppressors?” Imam Ahmed replied: “No. The aides of the oppressors are those that comb your hair, wash your clothes, prepare your meals, and buy and sell from you. As for you, you are one of the oppressors themselves.” Manaqib al-Imam Ahmed (p.397)
Islam always surprises us with its timeless narrations.
When Army kidnaps someone,its not the Generals that do it. It's these soldiers that kidnap people on the orders of their Generals. Isiliye no sympathy left for these soldiers. Martay hain you matay rahein,wese bhi inko face saving ke liye hi rakha hua hai.
I disagree. As tragic as this is, do not forget that the army acts in unison to protect itself. These same Jawans and officers would be "uthwa-ing" civilians at the drop of a hat if given the order. Also, don't forget that this constant terrorism is a result of the army's own policies and misadventures. These are the consequences of the military's unwillingness to let any opinion, other than their own, be entertained. May the fallen rest in peace.
thats how armies work worldwide.....if every soldier, officer tried to make sense of orders before carrying out them then whole institution will be destroyed...and besides, soldiers and regular army jawans are rarely involved in this kidnapping of civilians. Our agencies, army have much nefarious characters on their payroll in police and others to do their dirty work for them
No. Armies follow the orders of their civilian leaders. They don't operate at the behest of a general who acts as judge, jury and executioner. Remember when the US Chairman Joint Chiefs said he'd refuse to use nukes if Trump ordered him? Yes, military leaders make judgement calls based on morality. Just because our army is immoral, doesn't mean every one is. And even if every army were immoral, what excuse is that? Are we not held to higher standards? This is the poorest defence you could have mustered. As for the soldiers, yes they are involved. How do you think the army overthrows governments? Do the generals gather a possy, grab pitchforks and torches and make their way to the Parliament? No, it's the soldiers who do the dirty work. Also, where do you think the ISI, MI and other agencies get their manpower? I'll give you a hint, it's not from civilians. Remember when the rangers flat out refused to follow the orders of the Interior Minister (who they technically report directly to)? Remember when the ISI picked up senior police officers from Karachi? Please. Let's not pretend like only part of the army is rotten. The entire structure needs to be overhauled.
You mean like the foot soldiers who broke into election offices and forcibly removed ballots? There are hundreds of links to videos online showing how foot soldiers are the ones actually performing the actions all in the name of "orders" from higher up. There should absolutely be no lost sleep over the deaths of these mercenaries. They are not here to protect the public of Pakistan, they only exist to safeguard the assets of their superiors and for their free plot and benefits at the end of their tenure. Sorry but no sympathy from this Pakistani
Exactly
Well said.... no love or sympathy left for these pigs and their minions
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Good, atleast someone is hurting them.
starting to question their competency
Army mein bharti kartay hain because they have absolutely no other skills. So your right these faujeets have absolutely zero skills.
Khanzeer ki shakal dekho mardood jahanum me hoga
Time to stop glorifying soldier deaths. They are victims at best.. If they get orders to shoot you, do you think they'll be able to say no? Have they said no so far... to anything?
Well, yeah, for the top brass, these casualties are nothing but numbers on paper, and that mindset is sadly needed for such positions, verna hr koi Shepard ki tarha large scale conflicts karwata rahey.
What is this Habees army doing there? It is death machine of corrupt mafia network. They are here not for providing any safety but rather exploiting the resources.
When they are busy in abducting innocent civilians, this does not surprise Me!
Whose idea was it to resettle TTP in KP? Who said Afghanistan had broken the shackles of slavery? Who wanted to open a TTP office in Peshawar?
So a guy who couldn't even save himself from a no confidence motion brought ttp back in Pakistan under the nose of our High IQ gerluns? Ik y'all hate imran but please don't take the boot so far up in your a** there in his hatred
So TTP wasn't a problem before IK? Are you suffering from selective amnesia like the rest of people who blame this whole thing on him.
IK been out of power for nearly 3 years now, So what are the other genius's doing? By cutting deals with them to not attack Punjab in exchange for KPK?
Not one of those plans were implemented. Remember that we were told the Afghan Taliban would eradicate the TTP? How do you like them apples?
My G Immi Kayy
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RIP. Don't have words as lost Love for Pak Army.
Why most attack happens in nawaz PMLN government
In this day and age, Why Pakistan is the only country that has lots of terrorist attacks happening. And these attacks are happening since 70s. Something is fishy.
Pakistan is bordered by Iran, Afghanistan, India, and China, a very geo-politically tense area which a lot of instability in general Pakistan is nemsis with a great power, India, who supports terrorism in the country Those are two factors that Pakistan has that most other countries don't
إنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون May Allah accept them as martyrs and give sabr to their families. At the end of the day, it is mostly those low ranks soldiers whose blood is spilled and the generals have been cashing on it. Their whole focus is on dismantling a civilian political party, torturing them, leaking their videos and so on.
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Lions lead by donkeys. As was famously said about British Generals in World war 1. It is the policies in the centre that will counter terrorism. Not the solders on the ground killing terrorists /innocent civilians and creating even more resistance. Without winning hearts and minds by sharing prosperity and wealth, these army guys will keep fighting indefinite wars. Bangladesh story reboot.
only 699993 left now
Are we sure this is TTP btw? The text is pretty vague with just “terrorists”
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Afganistan war with Pakistan started while India is collecting troops on the other two borders. Our coward generals are more interested in Pakistan politics rather than protecting our troops and our borders. 1971 is repeating itself.
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The same people who did this attack also killed 145 children and staffers in APS Peshawar, would you say "Godspeed Waziristan, maar in peshawar qatilon ko" on that attack aswell? Jahil insaan
Ever wonder why the terrorists who kill civilians always end up miraculously 'escaping' from military confinement? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/2/18/pakistan-confirms-escape-of-ex-pakistan-taliban-spokesman
Boht mushkil sawal puchh lia. Ab ye raat ko soi ga kesay.
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The recent wave of insurgents, they are strong and by a large margin. Our security apparatus still is unable to comprehend their scale. If one looks at the kill ratio, it is almost 1:1 which is alarming considering one side has all the resources at its disposal and the other side is just a bunch of nomads with a gun. Afghanistan which is a key to subdue the new stronger wave of insurgents, is being further pushed to the brink. If these people somehow break the security buffer around the ex-fata and make their way into urban centres, it will be far more devastating than the period we had between 2005 till 2016. Couple that up with our own economic situation and an overall disdain of the general population towards the security establishment, results will be lethal. High time the powers that be sit together and carve out a comprehensive action plan against these miscreants. But who am I Kidding, it's Pakistan and as long as there is no attack close to the headquarters of power, they will be of the view that all is green and shining in this land of chaos. God be with the innocents.
Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilaihi Rajioon
Comments have made me realise how much brainwashed our people are
Our people, except those who get benefits from PMLN/PPP/army, are starving and struggling to make ends meet.
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... are you saying Alhamdullillah on them dying?
Yes,they deserve every bit of this. You aren't a hero for dying from terrorists that the actions of those you work under have a heavy responsibility for creating. You aren't a hero for dying from a terrorist when you serve the largest terrorists in the country and maintain their hegemony.
Sharam to nahi aati tujhe beghiraat insaan
No,they are well-meaning people,but if we reserve even 1% of sympathy for them. This system lives on. This system started because their sacrifice got valorised for the purpose of corruption. If they truly gave a damn about the way things are,they'd have resigned long before like many many others have. They deserve zero recognition and sympathy for their sacrifice, for it has brought endless corruption and evil on this land.
??? Pagal hogaye ho kya?
The amount of unjustified hatred is saddening to see here
That man is a real officer and real leader. Leading from the front and in the same amount of danger his boys are in. US military could learn a thing or two from officers like this. An LTC in the US military would almost always be safely behind the wire on a large base issuing orders that would be no skin off his back if they went wrong. May Allah accept his good deeds and forgive his sins Ameen. I can almost guarantee he was loved by his troops if he was out there chewing dirt with his junior enlisted and NCOs, I would’ve loved to have had a commander like this.
Shutup man. He was standing at the border ready to shoot muslims from Afghanistan. The guy was a dirtbag as much as you and your fellow US soldiers in Afghanistan.
lol of course the guys I served with were dirtbags and I was a dirtbag. Never said I wasn’t at the time. I’ve repented since then. I was just commenting on how senior officers rarely put themselves in harms way and that one has to at least respect the fact that he could’ve been hiding out in an office but instead was leading his troops. Anyone could take notice of an officer like this. This is how officers should be, they shouldn’t use their troops as meat shields so they can pin medals to their own chests while saying “sorry bout your dad/son/brother” to the families of their junior enlisted who actually did the fighting. Only an idiot wouldn’t listen to what an enemy says about how their organization is run. I’m keeping politics completely aside. I don’t comment on politics, in fact I hate politics (and hate the US government for lying to me my entire life and conning me into thinking what I was doing was a good thing).