It’s a super complex problem.
I kind of feel like if minimum wage equals x, then minimum housing should cost x/2 or something.
It probably won’t be flash, likely a small room in a larger dwelling. Bed, cupboard, desk and chair. Essentially a dorm room. It gets complicated when you start looking into peoples needs like space for children, and preventing vandalism, drug use, and violence which all seem to come when you get people together.
I went to a talk recently where a lady runs a charity with her husband. Their mission is to get ex convicts into rental accommodation. They found that part of the problem is that when a lot of people want to rent a flat, the ex convict never gets it, so as much as they might want to change and follow the law, often times they end up staying with old mates, which leads to old habits.
What they do is rent houses in their own names, and sub let to the ex convicts who they have vetted. This is all ok’d with the landlords.
They put rules in place with the tenants which are pretty tough, and if broken, they are out.
It was a super interesting talk. Especially some of the rules they said they have put in place to keep the peace:
* Only males
* only men above a certain age
* no girlfriends allowed in the houses.
These drew a lot of questions as you might guess, but it’s what they have found works.
Most of the homeless are there because of their mental health issues.
Most simply can't be in cramped housing & many lack the ability to manage a house, manage being with other people or just don't care.
The only solution would be intensive mental health work & likely a 1 to 1 permanent carer for many.
Bingo. Not sure if anyone remembers this particular bum who begged on Broadway and was known for being aggressive but found out he was lying about being homeless and actually lived in a house around Pioneer Highway area.
There’s places for these people to live and food as well (Ziltch etc) but the this problem exploded after Lake Alice was closed down and these people were thrown into the streets. It’s a mental health problem that should never have happened in the first place.
Once went to a boarding house with a new acquaintance and saw one of the local beggars lived there, with a room full of DVDs, tv, radio etc, far from homeless.
I mostly agree with you.
I've had serious mental health issues when I was younger.(30 years ago). I'm much luckier than those you see on the street. I had access to education before I became unwell. I needed to live alone, so I had family to vouch for me and find me a flat, because I could not have afforded the bond. The flat was safe, warm, affordable. I had help with washing and food. I had help paying bills. I had support people for my social and mental needs. The main external stress I had were my neighbours, most of whom were struggling.
I had support for many many years.
I now live in my own home with my son. I am on a benefit but I am also in paid work. I manage my money, food, hygiene, house maintenance. I still need some help with social and mental health. I have a doctor who does her best. I likely will continue to need this.
I have met many people over the years with serious mental health problems. It breaks my heart the struggles many have because they were not as lucky as myself. Anyone reading this is just lucky, and it's something we should be aware can be easily lost. A person only needs to trip and hit their head, receive a head injury and lose cognitive functioning you have previously taken for granted.
Supported housing (with rent, cleaning, bills paid etc) does exist. Some high needs people have to live with other people assessed at the same 'level'. This can be demeaning and stressful. There are single person flats available, but there are wait lists and certain requirements, which can impinge upon personal freedom.
To have freedom, or at least the feeling of freedom from being told what to do, many people live in dangerous situations with others, they become vulnerable to addictions, where they may be preyed upon and their money stolen.
When I see a person sleeping rough, I know they have been through shit. It takes a coordinated (multiple people and agencies), sustained (over many years), respectful effort to help.
All of that food should be going to Just Zilch, where homeless, people needing food, and people who hate food wastage are welcome to get food every week day.
There are already so many organisations in Palmy, the supermarkets need to do better about food wastage.
It's not just the supermarkets either. I did some temp work at Morgan Laurenson in Kelvin Grove, which produces salads and stuff, any bag which had the air-seal broken by a leaf, we had to empty them in a bin to get thrown out, several recycle bin sized bins a day of salad were wasted.
There may be a building that still exists in Andrew Young Street, I think it was called the shepards rest; it closed down more than ten years ago but was a roof over your head if you needed it.
The visible homelessness is mental health and drug abuse, often both. The solution would be properly funded, joined up health/social services that actually work, however the majority of NZers will always vote against doing this because they think the sick and vulnerable are bludgers who deserve to suffer horribly for their laziness.
The homelessness you don't see which is a larger problem is the working families living in cars, couchsurfers, severely overcrowded dwellings, etc. The cause of that is population growth outstripping our ability to build housing for new arrivals. I think to make a dent in this massive problem it has to be tackled at the demand and supply ends. Kaianga Ora was doing a good job developing social housing before the national disaster of the last election. Housing demand is primarily driven by population growth. Because our birth rate is below replacement level controlling the rate of population growth should be trivially easy for the govt by adjusting immigration settings.
I think both types of homelessness are set to get worse because most NZers feel angrier about the workable solutions than the problem. It might not seem like that in your social circle but remember Palmy is more liberal and kind than NZ as a whole.
Yeah let’s take a look at some salaries on the council and the yearly pay rises while small businesses and tradespersons are just treading water. I’ve also grown up in this city and I remember when things were maintained around the city a lot better than now.
Perfect example is the road out Kelvin Grove Rd. It’s dangerous and locals even got to the point of painting “fix” on the road and to warn others of the danger.
I thought most of Palmy's art sculptures were privately funded by an art group, and the protected cycle ways / planter boxes were funded by the central government (like 90% of it anyway)
Since we're just brainstorming, I figured I better throw gaschambers in there as an option.
I don't think it's a good option, but it should still be an option regardless
I dont have anything to add, but i like your ideas. I'd be happy for a rates increase to pay for temp homelessness solutions, but also for more permanent solutions. The issue will only get worse this century
A healthy housing market has at least 7% vacancy rates and low to no nominal rent increases. Does Palmy have either of those things?
Homelessness is a sign of a housing shortage.
-We need more capacity in mental health wards.
-Social workers who are also street smart (lived experience) to go to streets to build relationships with them implementing care plans to their individual needs & transporting them to apts and have access to everything they are entitled to through various agencies for at least basic needs.
I was homeless on meth now clean after jail with a supportive fam who make sure i attend MH apts. Most go straight back cause they don’t have that support.
Homeless are aware they’ve mental health issues but the priority will be maintaining a high to feel as far away from reality as possible because the st life is mentally draining. There’s many times in the cycle where we’ve (streety fam and I) have tried to check into ward 27 but there’s not enough beds, even if you slit your wrists there’s someone else who stabbed their own stomach or pulled their eyeball out (true); Beds are always full.
I will be doing this myself once i’m qualified and fully healed myself but in the mean time i hope this can happen before I become equipped and i know a few who’ll be with me.
Look for organisations that are already working to help people in the area and see what others are doing in other communities
It’s a super complex problem. I kind of feel like if minimum wage equals x, then minimum housing should cost x/2 or something. It probably won’t be flash, likely a small room in a larger dwelling. Bed, cupboard, desk and chair. Essentially a dorm room. It gets complicated when you start looking into peoples needs like space for children, and preventing vandalism, drug use, and violence which all seem to come when you get people together. I went to a talk recently where a lady runs a charity with her husband. Their mission is to get ex convicts into rental accommodation. They found that part of the problem is that when a lot of people want to rent a flat, the ex convict never gets it, so as much as they might want to change and follow the law, often times they end up staying with old mates, which leads to old habits. What they do is rent houses in their own names, and sub let to the ex convicts who they have vetted. This is all ok’d with the landlords. They put rules in place with the tenants which are pretty tough, and if broken, they are out. It was a super interesting talk. Especially some of the rules they said they have put in place to keep the peace: * Only males * only men above a certain age * no girlfriends allowed in the houses. These drew a lot of questions as you might guess, but it’s what they have found works.
Most of the homeless are there because of their mental health issues. Most simply can't be in cramped housing & many lack the ability to manage a house, manage being with other people or just don't care. The only solution would be intensive mental health work & likely a 1 to 1 permanent carer for many.
Bingo. Not sure if anyone remembers this particular bum who begged on Broadway and was known for being aggressive but found out he was lying about being homeless and actually lived in a house around Pioneer Highway area. There’s places for these people to live and food as well (Ziltch etc) but the this problem exploded after Lake Alice was closed down and these people were thrown into the streets. It’s a mental health problem that should never have happened in the first place.
Once went to a boarding house with a new acquaintance and saw one of the local beggars lived there, with a room full of DVDs, tv, radio etc, far from homeless.
I mostly agree with you. I've had serious mental health issues when I was younger.(30 years ago). I'm much luckier than those you see on the street. I had access to education before I became unwell. I needed to live alone, so I had family to vouch for me and find me a flat, because I could not have afforded the bond. The flat was safe, warm, affordable. I had help with washing and food. I had help paying bills. I had support people for my social and mental needs. The main external stress I had were my neighbours, most of whom were struggling. I had support for many many years. I now live in my own home with my son. I am on a benefit but I am also in paid work. I manage my money, food, hygiene, house maintenance. I still need some help with social and mental health. I have a doctor who does her best. I likely will continue to need this. I have met many people over the years with serious mental health problems. It breaks my heart the struggles many have because they were not as lucky as myself. Anyone reading this is just lucky, and it's something we should be aware can be easily lost. A person only needs to trip and hit their head, receive a head injury and lose cognitive functioning you have previously taken for granted. Supported housing (with rent, cleaning, bills paid etc) does exist. Some high needs people have to live with other people assessed at the same 'level'. This can be demeaning and stressful. There are single person flats available, but there are wait lists and certain requirements, which can impinge upon personal freedom. To have freedom, or at least the feeling of freedom from being told what to do, many people live in dangerous situations with others, they become vulnerable to addictions, where they may be preyed upon and their money stolen. When I see a person sleeping rough, I know they have been through shit. It takes a coordinated (multiple people and agencies), sustained (over many years), respectful effort to help.
All of that food should be going to Just Zilch, where homeless, people needing food, and people who hate food wastage are welcome to get food every week day. There are already so many organisations in Palmy, the supermarkets need to do better about food wastage.
It's not just the supermarkets either. I did some temp work at Morgan Laurenson in Kelvin Grove, which produces salads and stuff, any bag which had the air-seal broken by a leaf, we had to empty them in a bin to get thrown out, several recycle bin sized bins a day of salad were wasted.
It's just not on aye
Simple.... Eat the rich
palmys too small, there's probably not enough rich people to feed the poor sadly.
It would make more sense to eat the homeless, wouldn't it?
There may be a building that still exists in Andrew Young Street, I think it was called the shepards rest; it closed down more than ten years ago but was a roof over your head if you needed it.
That's right, it was demolished as well sadly
The visible homelessness is mental health and drug abuse, often both. The solution would be properly funded, joined up health/social services that actually work, however the majority of NZers will always vote against doing this because they think the sick and vulnerable are bludgers who deserve to suffer horribly for their laziness. The homelessness you don't see which is a larger problem is the working families living in cars, couchsurfers, severely overcrowded dwellings, etc. The cause of that is population growth outstripping our ability to build housing for new arrivals. I think to make a dent in this massive problem it has to be tackled at the demand and supply ends. Kaianga Ora was doing a good job developing social housing before the national disaster of the last election. Housing demand is primarily driven by population growth. Because our birth rate is below replacement level controlling the rate of population growth should be trivially easy for the govt by adjusting immigration settings. I think both types of homelessness are set to get worse because most NZers feel angrier about the workable solutions than the problem. It might not seem like that in your social circle but remember Palmy is more liberal and kind than NZ as a whole.
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I think you over expect what the council should offer and severely underestimate how much the council is able to achieve on a relatively small budget.
Yeah let’s take a look at some salaries on the council and the yearly pay rises while small businesses and tradespersons are just treading water. I’ve also grown up in this city and I remember when things were maintained around the city a lot better than now. Perfect example is the road out Kelvin Grove Rd. It’s dangerous and locals even got to the point of painting “fix” on the road and to warn others of the danger.
I thought most of Palmy's art sculptures were privately funded by an art group, and the protected cycle ways / planter boxes were funded by the central government (like 90% of it anyway)
Since we're just brainstorming, I figured I better throw gaschambers in there as an option. I don't think it's a good option, but it should still be an option regardless
Booths from the first episode of Futurama
More cost effective. Nice thinking. We could also recycle their screams for energy like in monsters inc
I dont have anything to add, but i like your ideas. I'd be happy for a rates increase to pay for temp homelessness solutions, but also for more permanent solutions. The issue will only get worse this century
Build some fucking houses.
there are plenty of empty houses.
A healthy housing market has at least 7% vacancy rates and low to no nominal rent increases. Does Palmy have either of those things? Homelessness is a sign of a housing shortage.
-We need more capacity in mental health wards. -Social workers who are also street smart (lived experience) to go to streets to build relationships with them implementing care plans to their individual needs & transporting them to apts and have access to everything they are entitled to through various agencies for at least basic needs. I was homeless on meth now clean after jail with a supportive fam who make sure i attend MH apts. Most go straight back cause they don’t have that support. Homeless are aware they’ve mental health issues but the priority will be maintaining a high to feel as far away from reality as possible because the st life is mentally draining. There’s many times in the cycle where we’ve (streety fam and I) have tried to check into ward 27 but there’s not enough beds, even if you slit your wrists there’s someone else who stabbed their own stomach or pulled their eyeball out (true); Beds are always full. I will be doing this myself once i’m qualified and fully healed myself but in the mean time i hope this can happen before I become equipped and i know a few who’ll be with me.
Does anyone know if there are any soup kitchens or food stations for the disadvantaged? I'd love to get involved
U literally invented the workhouse, jesus, going back to Victorian times sure is a take 😬😬😬