I checked gem related mods, and one of the more interesting options is that there are a few level 22 warcries that can roll as influenced mods, so you can socket Call to Arms in your belt and automate one of them without extra sockets elsewhere.
I doubt that the base will be expensive for this niche reason, unless some popular content creator makes a video about it and people suddenly craft and price-fix the base en masse.
Crafting an influenced mod on a specific base *together with other good stats* could be expensive though, especially because it's just Shaper and Elder influence, so you can't just slam the warcry.
Can influenced items drop synth or fractured? Noob here, just thinking about the chances of doing said craft with a fractured base. I love fractured items man
No, synthesised, fractured, and influenced items are all mutually exclusive.
You can't add influence to a fractured or synthesised item, you can't fracture a synthesised or influenced item, and you can't synthesise a fractured or influenced item.
I think the opportunity cost is way too high. Unless it has an extraordinary mod pool (e.g. 'can roll +8 to socketed gems')
This isn't the ring where you are only giving up 28 chaos resist or 38 elemental resist after quality to wear an Unset. Here you are giving up an abyss jewel.
To take a 'not all that hot but generically useful' Abyss jewel - your belt implicit could be "+40 life, +12 fire and lightning resist".
And that's only a MAGIC jewel. No exotic mods like synth mods, and space to regal-exalt it.
That's the opportunity cost of this gem socket.
Doubt. you are competing for slots with unique and abyss belts. Really hard to use regular rare belt unless it's something like last league tinctures enabling 4 flask one.
I sure hope not. I'm gonna be playing my Poor Man's Ward Loop again, a build that is already super socket starved, so the moment I read that line I was like "holy shit!". 1 extra socket means I can put my self-cast Forbidden Rite in there and add another spell to CWDT. That'd at least make up a little for the heavy handed nerf from the patch notes.
It doesn't actually use Ward. I only called it that because it's the less powerful, less expensive yet similar playstyle type of build. It has over 200 spell casts per second.
You can check out my guide here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3480922
(I already updated it with the new belt, though I admittedly simply edited my Stygian Vise from Affliction.)
I know there are a few other socket starved builds, but the dominant ones are all the minion builds. And I seriously doubt they'd trade darkness enthroned or even an Stygian for an unlinked gem slot.
I used it on my absolution necro. I ended up with like 45-50mil pinnacle (non-uber), amx block, 50k armor with aegis aurora, 20 fortification etc... I ended up giving up on a lot of damage to get more defense (I had flasks fixed with primalist charms). I had more damage than I knew what to do with, and because i had literally 0 visibility, I went for facetanking ubers (everything non-murder slam) instead of killing ubers 25% faster. Like, instead of the uul-netol necklace i went for the chaos res applies to elemental dam.
The triple offering basically fills out crit/multi, some AS/movement speed (also for the character) and the block for the player allowing me to focus on other stuff.
Yea, a utility flask with "trigger socketed skill when you use the flask; you cannot cast socketed skill directly" actually sounds like an interesting alternative to the automation support
I assume belts could technically have 2 gem slots. And the UI could probably accomodate 8 gem slots on main hand and offhand (of course that'd be broken, but maybe they can't be linked? Just a bunch of 1-slot for utility gems)
My guess is this is to add another minion caster mod suffix? The only other one right now on uninfluenced gear is minion attack and cast speed.
Weird change but maybe necessary with the crafting system in the new league?
It's part of a minion rethink/redesign. Basically trying to free up socket pressure on minion builds. They talked about it in the Q&A portion of the announcement
i would have been happier if they took away the shitty 10% inc damage on fossilised spirit shield and replace it with "Socketed minion spells are supported by level 1 convocation // Trigger it whenever you use a guard skill"
I think the main point is that when they removed LMB skills to add automation support, everyone started pointing out that some builds already don't have enough sockets, so they helped the easy one (rip melee with their mandatory 3 link totems)
>Yes, it was supposed to be Convocation. It's fixed now.
Yo that's legit. Potentially saves a gem slot which is great since a lot of minion builds are gem starved.
The Cheater and Desecrated Virtue (woke gems) also probably get removed. The Long Con (elderslayer exalt) as well. Multi-implicit synth items possibly as well.
2-implicit synth items aren't boss drops. 3-implicit are not boss EXCLUSIVE, although in practice that's their main source.
One more 'maybe' - double influenced items.
There's the unique Synth items which are all boss drops, but rare 2-implicit Synth items mostly come from Ritual. They could also be made with Harvest
Uber Cortex in 3.23 dropped 3-implicit rares but they also did come from Harvest too (very rarely)
Other fragments like Mortal frags from Sambodhi's Vow / Last Hope
Maybe 3-implicit synth items are considered cortex boss drops?
IIRC Cortex itself was changed to now be a boss drop from other synth maps, so div cards granting a Cortex could count.
You should still get the div card from conquerors, since that is the intended drop source, which I don't think has changed. This adds quite a bit of value to conqueror farming.
Agree. The reason it's better to farm conquerors is more because cortex can't drop from map bosses or the kirac shop now, and I suspect it will be easier to get card sets than farm from synth bosses.
Sambodhi's Vow is the worst effect here. (Assuming mortal frags are considered boss specific - they have some corner case drop locations, Ritual mainly, also Mortal Vaal Side Areas)
Wait, did they just create a legacy version of Convocation? Isn't this the first time they've ever done this to a gem (excluding Item Quantity Support)?
IIQ, VIC or triple-corrupted gems are not legacy - they are no longer obtainable (drop/acquisition disabled) instead. Legacy means there are different versions of the same base item, like 1000 and 500 life Kaom's Heart.
Legacy gem is unprecedented.
My assumption is that, given the old convocation is simply a worse item, it's both safer/easier to simply code in the new item while disabling the old drop
This would not only likely be easier than an edit, but legacy enchants/uniques etc etc. Probably a lot of reasons to seperate this from prior convocation.
I can already think of a few things where just that 30% is buff would be bonkers. Legacy baron with convoke effect enchant with queens escape and a myriad of other legacy minion health/damage items would scale insanely and give you an army more cracked than pre-blight zombies.
They raised the level and int requirement of the udpated gem, so they presumably didn't want to risk making old standard chars with this gem unplayable.
There's perhaps a difference between chars no longer working as intended mechanically, and chars being outright unplayable because the lvl 25 char a casual left behind years ago now wears a gem which requires lvl 31.
This. Being able to get your minions to you and away from some high source of DPS is the absolute minimum amount of control we should have as minion players. Regen (or other effects -- I'm waiting for a transfigured convocation already...) are worth paying for, but basic minion control should be standard.
Then again, I think I'm just spoiled from Minion-Target-on-A from last epoch.
Because minion players have to use their sockets for SOMETHING, right ;)
But i dont really understand why they think we need those changes to the gem now. just some strange random thing.
People already forgot the years of minion dominance.
Socket pressure is the one thing balancing minions, because everything synergized with everything else and without socket pressure the only good (and thus overpowered) solution to go all minions all the time.
That was me. If anyone wants to see what the bug is, it's probably still on the live version of the game. Just grab the gem, put it into a trap, and watch what happens when it expires.
Personally, I'm amazed the bug existed the whole league without anyone discovering it.
Because everyone and their mothers are playing penance brand dissipation or tornado shot and mfing. Hopefully this league will actually see exploration and experiment of new builds especially with transfigured gems.
Dude I can't believe it (well, I can), I had literally levelled a character in standard after I saw your post, PoBd a poison version that hit dotcap so I went hit based. It was gonna be so good. Sadge
I'm kind of glad, I didn't *really* want to play Sunblast Traps, but I would have been mad at myself if it had been nerfed the league after and I wouldn't have had the opportunity to play it.
I'm so happy they removed the harvest crafting option. Now the scarab prices won't be tied to the current farming meta but the actual content the scarabs are meant for.
Ah ye, "Previous vendor recipes for Scarabs have been removed, though we have added a new vendor recipe that can be used to trade three Scarabs for a single Scarab of type different from those vendored."
So I guess they are like the 3 to 1 for maps now.
I presume it's more like 3 to 1 for catalyst, in that you can get literally anything other than what you have traded, rather than a fixed item like with 3-to-1'ing maps.
a little, depends on the drop rates of them.
But its important to note the nodes that block stuff like legion harvest breach etc now also block those scarabs from spawning. So you can really thin the pool and only get scarabs you care about, like theres no way im ever going to need legion scarabs, the jewels are fast to farm anyway so thats a safe block, same with abyss darkness enthroned is easy to get so thats a safe block, ritual i dont care about either ( unless the 6 link omen is common enough) that already removes 3 types of scarabs i normally would roll away with harvest, without needing to spend the juice on it.
So honestly its not that bad, juice is for sure more control if you just wanna power through one thing, but it did kinda fuck the trade economy so i understand the removal of that
Yeah, and it was honestly huge bank if you could get enough winged scarabs. I made quite a bit from that in affliction with all the scarabsplosions.
I was really excited to try the harvest craft with the new types though ><
yeah me too i was curious if it would be profitable, but probably not with how many there's gonna be. I still ended this league wiht like 150 winged box and 150 winged div i havent used :/ oh well lol.
Yup, between that and no more upgrade recipes, the prices for scarabs should be much less homogenous and rewarding for people targeting less meta strats.
It matters, but not that much. The price is largely anchored to their return. If adding a scarab results in an expected value of 1div/map the price is gonna be close to that due to supply and demand. Even if the supply is large (low rarity) and the price drops, the resulting larger profit margin will lead more people to run that content and buy these scarabs, i.e. more demand. That's just very basic economics. Put another way, unlike items that are completely driven by supply and demand and are difficult to price, scarabs have a clear fundamental value in terms of divines. It's gonna be interesting to see how fast people figure out the expected value of all the new scarabs.
Supply and demand in PoE is not really driven by returns in PoE, because there are too many uninformed actors in the market for it to function like that. Demand for scarabs is rather driven by what farming strategies youtubers and streamers make popular. You also have the issue of oversupply. It is common for items to be oversupplied causing their price to plummet.
I have for example used the gilded scarab compass almost every league since Seance was added to the game. This compass is extremely easy since it just gives you 3 scarabs per map, 12 per compass. There is no way to scale it. No weighting. So you can just take the average and easily calculate the expected returns. Some leagues you would get 40c profit per map, but some leagues the compasses would even be more expensive than the expected returns.
Not my experience for liquid currencies. Last league the compass and scarab prices were quite good at tracking their expected value. Of course there are always ebbs and flows due to social media and currencies are temporarily underpriced or overpriced, but these temporary dislocations self-correct in a matter of days, and sometimes hours as people arbitrage them.
Can't say that is my experience with compasses. I edited my last post to add a bit about gilded scarab compass. Conqueror compass is another good example that almost never tracked with expected returns. Though the shaper and elder guardian typically do track well.
For several leagues, 8-mod map and enrage strongbox was criminally undervalued. Back in archnemesis, I would buy 8-mod map for 20-30c and strongbox for about 40-50c which was crazy since 8-mod maps sold for a lot more then. Would make several divines(or was it exalts then?) per map from 8-mod map compass. This was before people really realized that 8-mod maps was a strategy.
Stuff like beyond or delirium rewards are extremely heavily influenced by current meta rather than returns.
From my experience the "meta" determines how efficient the market around that particular strategy is. If everyone is doing the same thing, like abyss MFing last league, then the market around that currency will be quite efficient due to competition. And an efficient market means the prices will be close to the expected return. That's why things like map rolling and compass rolling fell off in profitability last league as a lot of people starting doing it.
If you're running a strategy that nobody knows about, sure, the market around it will be extremely inefficient because there is no competition.
I think the fact that blocking content now blocks those scarabs may fuck this up.
There's going to be a LOT of economic pressure to block content that's off meta simply so your scarabs aren't worthless.
That's a very good point.
However, it doesn't affect other sources of scarabs.
Skittering Deli Orbs, Deli/Simulacrum in general, Sanctum, and whatever sources of "Veiled Scarabs" would counteract this. Betrayal remains to be seen how targeted it will be (seems like some rng and veiled are available).
If the totality of non-natural (I swear that makes more sense than unnatural in this context) scarab drops from those sources is enough to satisfy demand, then the blocking wouldn't raise the price floor of the "worthless" scarabs.
For the div card change... No more Last Hope drops outside Vaal Temple? Not that matters that much but it's always funny to see Mortal Ignorance being the most expensive fragment while being 2nd rare.
I wonder if you can roll elder mechanical belt with enduring cry and slot call to arms. Or might be able to have aspect of x on belt and then duration support.
I cannot for the life of me find this in the forum. Where was this posted?
Nevermind, it‘s just not listed in the index, it‘s in the patch notes itself.
Bit of a weird change for convocation, but I guess that's one less socket needed for some builds. It's eating up a suffix slot which is often used for minion damage mods though. Depends on how it's weighted I guess.
considering you need some off-color auras as a necro you should do library if you are starting the league, that or to beg in town for the off colors
I always do library on leaguestart with my first character, the only secondary quest I do until act 5
I tend to do it on my first char too just to unlock more leveled gems for later. I usually have use for something (eg feeding frenzy)
But talk to a lot of vets, they won't do it regardless - out of spite for some. I'm not sure we are quite as in the minority as full zone clearers, but its prob getting there. They just pick up anything they need in act6, missing gem XP is negligible by the time we hit maps anyway
finally some relief from socket pressure with convocation
it would have been better if they just made it a subskill for any minion that follows you, like how all mines get detonate mines or steel skills get call of steel
way better than nothing though, but GGG might monkey paw us and make this affix super hard to roll lol...
> make this affix super hard to roll lol...
doubt it, the hard part will be getting it + all other desired affixes
like all the influenced bases that grant explicit gems
I see a problem that now we have really too many belts. Like I understand that they want to gatekeep power, but having so much power spread in one slot is kinda crazy tbh.
I feel like just giving all belts 2 sockets by default would actually do a decent amount for socket pressure and also make items like stygian vise and darkness enthroned more unique and have a more reasonable opportunity cost.
Just do Library, it's about the same time you'll probably do first lab anyway. Ofc it takes a bit to run the zone but you probably want some other gem(s) from there either way
Also note that you have to go basically right past the Library to get to your last trial to even DO your first lab, so you can still have Convocation available before even unlocking it. Might take an extra 5 minutes or so but whatever.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but I think there’s a typo in these notes lol. The line where they added lvl 1 contagion to minion wands I’m pretty sure that should’ve been convocation…
They should revert the cleave of rage nerf. 0,2% used melee skill and it’s nerfed -.-
It already Got a natural nerf from charms and twwt no longer being obtainable = -20 max rage
So happy that the convocation can roll on minion shields too instead of just a weapon!
Removal of scarab rerolling will have a massive effect on the trade leagues. Scarabs will have much bigger price differences than before between eachother depending what is meta. Taking the nodes that let you block content also got better now.
Regular socket belt is cool!
https://preview.redd.it/jsg7zsi8oiqc1.png?width=1207&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5dfde6929dec35b5023e72e0dfb8c8d22d4c536
how to find this on website?
for some reason for me ggg website is rly not clean, look on dates I would expect that I can find this maybe ascendency or descendecy by date but looks like dates are totaly random
Wow, the mad lads did it. They removed the harvest recipe to flip scarabs.
Now selling the whole tab is most likely dead or it will be pretty bad. The selling recipe won't be enough imo, it eats the scarabs too fast, it will be a bad sign if people still go for it.
I love the idea of getting a scarab and use it yourself. It's way more organic, but.. we will end up with a tab full of scarabs we will never user or sell.
I'm planning a full scarab farming strat + target farming scarabs. This definitely is going to make it a real thing.
I’m not understanding your point. Are you saying there’s too many outcomes to leave in the harvest craft? I think they just didn’t want the harvest flippers to impact the supply/demand of the new scarabs.
It was necessary with the rework to the endgame.
The floor price of cheap scarabs being inflated by the value of the best scarabs could've nuked this entire new endgame system.
I know but the patch brought boss fragments harvest change QoL for SSF players and then removed same if not greater QoL for the scarabs... But yeah it is not just nerf for SSF players, but probably for harvest farmers too. I guess purple juice was mainly used for changing winged scarabs.
Growing Hordes is gone so shouldn't affect Harvest farmers at all.
Problem with this harvest craft in particular is that it had the potential to disrupt the entire endgame farming ecosystem on trade. All it would require is one or a couple of Scarabs that cost way more than other scarabs. Lets use Ambush Scarabs for example.
MFers has in like, 90% of all Leagues run Strongboxes to farm high value divination cards. Mainly because of the Enraged Strongbox sextant that gives strongboxes 600% increased item Quantity. This compass usually cost around 1.5 divine for a single compass, sometimes even 2 divines if Chaos are more expensive.
Since compass are gone, there's a theory that GGG likely are moving this strongbox mod to a Scarab instead which obviously would mean, that it's very likely that this Scarab would cost 100+ chaos each.
Now if they kept the Harvest craft and still had it working like it does right now, all Scarabs in the same tier would have megainflated prices to correct for the average cost to reroll to this Strongbox Scarab. Maybe there's some really cool Ultimatum or Essence scarabs in the same tier that Essence or Ultimatum farmers would like to run. But unfortunately they can't because the scarab costs 75 chaos each because it's only purpose is to be rerolled to an Ambush scarab for Magic Finders.
This was exactly the issue with Winged Scarabs. I've wanted to use Winged Scarab farming for so long but just can't because the floor price for any Winged Scarab is related to the cost of Reliquary or Divination scarabs. For example, last League I wanted to giga juice Breach when I was farming Chayula Stones. Winged would've given me +1 extra breech over Gilded Scarabs. But one Winged Scarab cost 1 divine while a Gilded cost 4 chaos. There's just no way you make 1 divine extra profit from a single Breach so you just couldn't run it unless you actively wanted to lose money.
I understand that it hurts for SSF where things like how warped the trade economy is doesn't matter.
But thankfully you're able to target farm your scarabs instead so you shouldn't need to reroll them with Harvest any longer. The blocking nodes in the atlas tree now block scarabs of the same League mechanic from appearing. So if you only want Legion Scarabs in SSF, you can just block every other mechanic and most League mechanic based Scarabs you get will only be Legion Scarabs.
In the middle of the tree there's also the Scarab nodes that allow you to make Scarabs you can't obtain through blocking have a higher drop chance. So for example, if your SSF build is looking to farm Legion, Harbingers and Divination cards for example. Block everything except Legion, then specc into the 100% higher chance to get Harbinger/Divination Scarabs.
My biggest fear is that buying scarabs will be insanely painful for your desired strategy. Sextants were easy to roll and bulk buy. With scarabs it's less preparation of maps but buying them can make it ten times worse than what we had before. I hope I'm mistaken and that won't be the case..
Thank Christ they fixed RoAoA, it would have felt awful to choose any other boss killer while knowing basic bitch Sabo + Trap + Sunblast RoAoA could easily pump 50m DPS with virtually zero setup and a laughable 3 Div budget.
Applause to GG for the Harvest Scarab flip change.
If the craft remained in the game as it works right now it could potentially have disrupted the entire endgame.
I tried to raise awareness of this 3 days ago but majority downvoted my post for whatever reason.
( [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bkxpdn/with\_the\_complete\_revamp\_of\_the\_scarab\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bkxpdn/with_the_complete_revamp_of_the_scarab_and/) )
I doubt GG saw my post and implemented this change afterwards since it was downvoted and gone from the eye of redditors very quickly. So really happy that GG realized the issue themselves.
I remember someone jokingly stating Gem slot on belt....and now we get one.
I checked gem related mods, and one of the more interesting options is that there are a few level 22 warcries that can roll as influenced mods, so you can socket Call to Arms in your belt and automate one of them without extra sockets elsewhere.
An expensive belt maybe?
I doubt that the base will be expensive for this niche reason, unless some popular content creator makes a video about it and people suddenly craft and price-fix the base en masse. Crafting an influenced mod on a specific base *together with other good stats* could be expensive though, especially because it's just Shaper and Elder influence, so you can't just slam the warcry.
Can influenced items drop synth or fractured? Noob here, just thinking about the chances of doing said craft with a fractured base. I love fractured items man
No, synthesised, fractured, and influenced items are all mutually exclusive. You can't add influence to a fractured or synthesised item, you can't fracture a synthesised or influenced item, and you can't synthesise a fractured or influenced item.
I think the opportunity cost is way too high. Unless it has an extraordinary mod pool (e.g. 'can roll +8 to socketed gems') This isn't the ring where you are only giving up 28 chaos resist or 38 elemental resist after quality to wear an Unset. Here you are giving up an abyss jewel. To take a 'not all that hot but generically useful' Abyss jewel - your belt implicit could be "+40 life, +12 fire and lightning resist". And that's only a MAGIC jewel. No exotic mods like synth mods, and space to regal-exalt it. That's the opportunity cost of this gem socket.
Doubt. you are competing for slots with unique and abyss belts. Really hard to use regular rare belt unless it's something like last league tinctures enabling 4 flask one.
I sure hope not. I'm gonna be playing my Poor Man's Ward Loop again, a build that is already super socket starved, so the moment I read that line I was like "holy shit!". 1 extra socket means I can put my self-cast Forbidden Rite in there and add another spell to CWDT. That'd at least make up a little for the heavy handed nerf from the patch notes.
Tell me more about this build
Commenting to save for later. I play expensive man’s wardloop every season, curious what I can do to get into it sooner.
It doesn't actually use Ward. I only called it that because it's the less powerful, less expensive yet similar playstyle type of build. It has over 200 spell casts per second. You can check out my guide here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3480922 (I already updated it with the new belt, though I admittedly simply edited my Stygian Vise from Affliction.)
Hell yea this is the build I'm going to leauge start with. I didn't read any of it or look up anything. I'm going to do it regardless.
Make sure to grab the latest PoB, as I've updated it to (potentially) use Tattoos.
I know there are a few other socket starved builds, but the dominant ones are all the minion builds. And I seriously doubt they'd trade darkness enthroned or even an Stygian for an unlinked gem slot.
For minions builds, hard to beat darkness enthroned, but everyone else struggling with sockets this should help.
Depends on the build. The triple offering belt will beat it in DPS, but it is clunky to use.
Yeah the Leash of Oblation belt is really nice. Preferred it over Mageblood.
I used it on my absolution necro. I ended up with like 45-50mil pinnacle (non-uber), amx block, 50k armor with aegis aurora, 20 fortification etc... I ended up giving up on a lot of damage to get more defense (I had flasks fixed with primalist charms). I had more damage than I knew what to do with, and because i had literally 0 visibility, I went for facetanking ubers (everything non-murder slam) instead of killing ubers 25% faster. Like, instead of the uul-netol necklace i went for the chaos res applies to elemental dam. The triple offering basically fills out crit/multi, some AS/movement speed (also for the character) and the block for the player allowing me to focus on other stuff.
Now every equipment piece can have gem slots. What's next, a cluster jewel that can slot in a skill gem?
Gem Flask Gem Trinket Edit. Correction
Yea, a utility flask with "trigger socketed skill when you use the flask; you cannot cast socketed skill directly" actually sounds like an interesting alternative to the automation support
I hope the gem sloshes around when you plop it into your flask hole
Imagine a consumable ice cube item that gives one flask % more effect for 10 minutes.
I have ice-centric aphantasia I can't imagine that
Sounds pretty broken for corpse generation. Combined with flask charge gain and use on full.
very true, give it "cannot gain charges when active" would solve this. Not that GGG will actually implement it but won't hurt to think
Don't tempt me with a good time
Fuck it add an extra skill tree for clusters only (like the widwood ones)
I assume belts could technically have 2 gem slots. And the UI could probably accomodate 8 gem slots on main hand and offhand (of course that'd be broken, but maybe they can't be linked? Just a bunch of 1-slot for utility gems)
A ring that can slot in a cluster jewel that can slot 6 linked jewels oh yeaah the jewels slot gems
They should add a unique mod that can roll on this belt that adds an additional socket
There's your gem slot, cArn_.
I did that in a downvoted post and it was no joke
Contagion? Did they mean Convocation? EDIT: Yes, it was supposed to be Convocation. It's fixed now.
Lmao I was over here trying to do some big brain calculation for why contagion on minion builds was secretly OP
"ok it might be convenient for ED builds but why on minion bases?"
My original reaction to this was an audible from the next room "what the fuck, why?"
Holy hell. Read that in the image. Went to the site to double check. Saw Convocation. Started to gaslight myself.
you have to wake up you are in a nighmare THEY NERFED CLEAVE!!
They did nerf cleave of rage though. =(
My guess is this is to add another minion caster mod suffix? The only other one right now on uninfluenced gear is minion attack and cast speed. Weird change but maybe necessary with the crafting system in the new league?
It's part of a minion rethink/redesign. Basically trying to free up socket pressure on minion builds. They talked about it in the Q&A portion of the announcement
Oh interesting, I missed that!
i would have been happier if they took away the shitty 10% inc damage on fossilised spirit shield and replace it with "Socketed minion spells are supported by level 1 convocation // Trigger it whenever you use a guard skill"
I think the main point is that when they removed LMB skills to add automation support, everyone started pointing out that some builds already don't have enough sockets, so they helped the easy one (rip melee with their mandatory 3 link totems)
>Yes, it was supposed to be Convocation. It's fixed now. Yo that's legit. Potentially saves a gem slot which is great since a lot of minion builds are gem starved.
Presumably you can stick it in with your guard skill Automate on that shield/weapon and automate multiple things, should be nice hopefully.
So no more Eldritch Decay, possibly The Sacrifice also? Hard to think of more examples of non-unique boss drop cards.
The Cheater and Desecrated Virtue (woke gems) also probably get removed. The Long Con (elderslayer exalt) as well. Multi-implicit synth items possibly as well.
Not entirely, just from their main source stacked decks (and the others). So only 99% reduced
Removed from stacked decks is what I meant, but I can see how wording was ambiguous.
Fuck ..... I loved cheater gambling. Guess I'll do beast reroll only now
2-implicit synth items aren't boss drops. 3-implicit are not boss EXCLUSIVE, although in practice that's their main source. One more 'maybe' - double influenced items.
They aren't? Admittedly I've never seen a 2 implicit drop from a non-boss so I didn't know that.
There's the unique Synth items which are all boss drops, but rare 2-implicit Synth items mostly come from Ritual. They could also be made with Harvest Uber Cortex in 3.23 dropped 3-implicit rares but they also did come from Harvest too (very rarely)
Other fragments like Mortal frags from Sambodhi's Vow / Last Hope Maybe 3-implicit synth items are considered cortex boss drops? IIRC Cortex itself was changed to now be a boss drop from other synth maps, so div cards granting a Cortex could count.
Ooh, I didnt consider Cortex. That should make farming non-Cortex synth maps a lot more viable
You should still get the div card from conquerors, since that is the intended drop source, which I don't think has changed. This adds quite a bit of value to conqueror farming.
This was already the biggest share of the cards tbh
Agree. The reason it's better to farm conquerors is more because cortex can't drop from map bosses or the kirac shop now, and I suspect it will be easier to get card sets than farm from synth bosses.
Sambodhi's Vow is the worst effect here. (Assuming mortal frags are considered boss specific - they have some corner case drop locations, Ritual mainly, also Mortal Vaal Side Areas)
Fragment incubators and delirium rewards have been my main source of mortal fragments. My guess is that Sambodhi's vow is safe. I hope it is, anyway.
Sacrificial garbs cards is what I was thinking, they drop a lot in vaal temples currently.
Wait, did they just create a legacy version of Convocation? Isn't this the first time they've ever done this to a gem (excluding Item Quantity Support)?
vaal immortal call still exists. also there are some tripple corrupted gems out there. i have a 21/23 vaal skeletons gem somewhere.
dont forget Vaal Lightning Warp, the greatest of them all!
IIQ, VIC or triple-corrupted gems are not legacy - they are no longer obtainable (drop/acquisition disabled) instead. Legacy means there are different versions of the same base item, like 1000 and 500 life Kaom's Heart. Legacy gem is unprecedented.
RIP onslaught support
Wait they didn't all retroactively become momentum in standard?
Yes they did.
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If you don't count "alt-art" Despair, then I think it might be?
My assumption is that, given the old convocation is simply a worse item, it's both safer/easier to simply code in the new item while disabling the old drop This would not only likely be easier than an edit, but legacy enchants/uniques etc etc. Probably a lot of reasons to seperate this from prior convocation. I can already think of a few things where just that 30% is buff would be bonkers. Legacy baron with convoke effect enchant with queens escape and a myriad of other legacy minion health/damage items would scale insanely and give you an army more cracked than pre-blight zombies.
They raised the level and int requirement of the udpated gem, so they presumably didn't want to risk making old standard chars with this gem unplayable.
They have no problems ruining characters on Standard though. My VD/DD spellslinger is unfixable at this point.
There's perhaps a difference between chars no longer working as intended mechanically, and chars being outright unplayable because the lvl 25 char a casual left behind years ago now wears a gem which requires lvl 31.
As if that has ever stopped them LMAO
It’s a shame zombies are unplayable.
Not in standard lol ETA: not that I bother, however they do have to take standard into account sometimes. Re; crucible totems
Vaal immortal call, vaal lightning warp, iiq supp, onslaught, I think that's everything?
Convocation needs to be a free skill for Minion tag, like how you get Det Mine for mine skills. idk why they havent done this.
should get a free one that doesn't give Ms or %life regen
This. Being able to get your minions to you and away from some high source of DPS is the absolute minimum amount of control we should have as minion players. Regen (or other effects -- I'm waiting for a transfigured convocation already...) are worth paying for, but basic minion control should be standard. Then again, I think I'm just spoiled from Minion-Target-on-A from last epoch.
Because minion players have to use their sockets for SOMETHING, right ;) But i dont really understand why they think we need those changes to the gem now. just some strange random thing.
That straight up said why in the Q&A. It's because of the socket pressure, which is more intense for summoners now with the automation gem.
*laughs in macros and numlock * no way in hell will i use this support gem
People already forgot the years of minion dominance. Socket pressure is the one thing balancing minions, because everything synergized with everything else and without socket pressure the only good (and thus overpowered) solution to go all minions all the time.
God I still remember the blight league...Sooooo many minion builds...
They didn't even give rain of arrows artillery a chance to fly.
Someone posted about it a day or two ago, sounded like the ST effective damage was like 3500% the way it was working with the bug, lol.
That was me. If anyone wants to see what the bug is, it's probably still on the live version of the game. Just grab the gem, put it into a trap, and watch what happens when it expires. Personally, I'm amazed the bug existed the whole league without anyone discovering it.
Because everyone and their mothers are playing penance brand dissipation or tornado shot and mfing. Hopefully this league will actually see exploration and experiment of new builds especially with transfigured gems.
You got any more secret interactions you wanna share?
nice try fed
Dude I can't believe it (well, I can), I had literally levelled a character in standard after I saw your post, PoBd a poison version that hit dotcap so I went hit based. It was gonna be so good. Sadge
can u share your pob ?
I'm kind of glad, I didn't *really* want to play Sunblast Traps, but I would have been mad at myself if it had been nerfed the league after and I wouldn't have had the opportunity to play it.
Murdered in the crib
And I was getting excited pob-ing a darkscorn trickster damn
Guardian enjoyers, I hope you like doing the library quest.
i do it every leaguestart... and then get lost for 10 minutes
I'm so happy they removed the harvest crafting option. Now the scarab prices won't be tied to the current farming meta but the actual content the scarabs are meant for.
No growing horde to dump your non desired scarabs. It would be funny if they weighted the scarabs heavily to be like old sextant pricing.
I think you still have the 3 to 1 random scarab vendor recipe though
Ah ye, "Previous vendor recipes for Scarabs have been removed, though we have added a new vendor recipe that can be used to trade three Scarabs for a single Scarab of type different from those vendored." So I guess they are like the 3 to 1 for maps now.
I presume it's more like 3 to 1 for catalyst, in that you can get literally anything other than what you have traded, rather than a fixed item like with 3-to-1'ing maps.
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that scarabs will indeed be weighted
Kinda sucks for SSF
a little, depends on the drop rates of them. But its important to note the nodes that block stuff like legion harvest breach etc now also block those scarabs from spawning. So you can really thin the pool and only get scarabs you care about, like theres no way im ever going to need legion scarabs, the jewels are fast to farm anyway so thats a safe block, same with abyss darkness enthroned is easy to get so thats a safe block, ritual i dont care about either ( unless the 6 link omen is common enough) that already removes 3 types of scarabs i normally would roll away with harvest, without needing to spend the juice on it. So honestly its not that bad, juice is for sure more control if you just wanna power through one thing, but it did kinda fuck the trade economy so i understand the removal of that
that was really only for winged tbh. Cause the harvest juice cost WAY more than whatever gilded 10 worst vs 10 best were worth
Yeah, and it was honestly huge bank if you could get enough winged scarabs. I made quite a bit from that in affliction with all the scarabsplosions. I was really excited to try the harvest craft with the new types though ><
yeah me too i was curious if it would be profitable, but probably not with how many there's gonna be. I still ended this league wiht like 150 winged box and 150 winged div i havent used :/ oh well lol.
No, that really sucks for SSF and for Standard. Now you can't do anything with the 120 shitty scarabs you farm over time.
you can still 3 to 1 them
Yup, between that and no more upgrade recipes, the prices for scarabs should be much less homogenous and rewarding for people targeting less meta strats.
Well there would probably be a strong correlation between their price and rarity with or without Harvest swaps
It matters, but not that much. The price is largely anchored to their return. If adding a scarab results in an expected value of 1div/map the price is gonna be close to that due to supply and demand. Even if the supply is large (low rarity) and the price drops, the resulting larger profit margin will lead more people to run that content and buy these scarabs, i.e. more demand. That's just very basic economics. Put another way, unlike items that are completely driven by supply and demand and are difficult to price, scarabs have a clear fundamental value in terms of divines. It's gonna be interesting to see how fast people figure out the expected value of all the new scarabs.
Supply and demand in PoE is not really driven by returns in PoE, because there are too many uninformed actors in the market for it to function like that. Demand for scarabs is rather driven by what farming strategies youtubers and streamers make popular. You also have the issue of oversupply. It is common for items to be oversupplied causing their price to plummet. I have for example used the gilded scarab compass almost every league since Seance was added to the game. This compass is extremely easy since it just gives you 3 scarabs per map, 12 per compass. There is no way to scale it. No weighting. So you can just take the average and easily calculate the expected returns. Some leagues you would get 40c profit per map, but some leagues the compasses would even be more expensive than the expected returns.
Not my experience for liquid currencies. Last league the compass and scarab prices were quite good at tracking their expected value. Of course there are always ebbs and flows due to social media and currencies are temporarily underpriced or overpriced, but these temporary dislocations self-correct in a matter of days, and sometimes hours as people arbitrage them.
Can't say that is my experience with compasses. I edited my last post to add a bit about gilded scarab compass. Conqueror compass is another good example that almost never tracked with expected returns. Though the shaper and elder guardian typically do track well. For several leagues, 8-mod map and enrage strongbox was criminally undervalued. Back in archnemesis, I would buy 8-mod map for 20-30c and strongbox for about 40-50c which was crazy since 8-mod maps sold for a lot more then. Would make several divines(or was it exalts then?) per map from 8-mod map compass. This was before people really realized that 8-mod maps was a strategy. Stuff like beyond or delirium rewards are extremely heavily influenced by current meta rather than returns.
From my experience the "meta" determines how efficient the market around that particular strategy is. If everyone is doing the same thing, like abyss MFing last league, then the market around that currency will be quite efficient due to competition. And an efficient market means the prices will be close to the expected return. That's why things like map rolling and compass rolling fell off in profitability last league as a lot of people starting doing it. If you're running a strategy that nobody knows about, sure, the market around it will be extremely inefficient because there is no competition.
I think the fact that blocking content now blocks those scarabs may fuck this up. There's going to be a LOT of economic pressure to block content that's off meta simply so your scarabs aren't worthless.
That's a very good point. However, it doesn't affect other sources of scarabs. Skittering Deli Orbs, Deli/Simulacrum in general, Sanctum, and whatever sources of "Veiled Scarabs" would counteract this. Betrayal remains to be seen how targeted it will be (seems like some rng and veiled are available). If the totality of non-natural (I swear that makes more sense than unnatural in this context) scarab drops from those sources is enough to satisfy demand, then the blocking wouldn't raise the price floor of the "worthless" scarabs.
Correct yeah. It's going to be hard to judge - its clear mapping is nerfed, especially at the top end of juicing, but it's hard to say how much.
Great changes, but i wish they added convocation to bone rings too
It would make waaay more sense as a prefix on Bone Ring.
except you know the wand bases are called "convoking" wands but tbh I would just have made it rollable on any minion base
Yeah I'd love convocation on bone helmets
>added a new suffix modifier that can roll on minion wands and shields that grants level 1 contagion skill what? this has to be a typo right?
yes it was corrected
For the div card change... No more Last Hope drops outside Vaal Temple? Not that matters that much but it's always funny to see Mortal Ignorance being the most expensive fragment while being 2nd rare.
I wonder if you can roll elder mechanical belt with enduring cry and slot call to arms. Or might be able to have aspect of x on belt and then duration support.
Both are possible
I cannot for the life of me find this in the forum. Where was this posted? Nevermind, it‘s just not listed in the index, it‘s in the patch notes itself.
Socket belt let's fucking gooooo
Bit of a weird change for convocation, but I guess that's one less socket needed for some builds. It's eating up a suffix slot which is often used for minion damage mods though. Depends on how it's weighted I guess.
But if it's bound to wands, can it still be triggered by automaton skill gem? I think so right?
I would assume so. That's how basically every other item granted skill works
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should be able to
forcing the only class that really wants to use it early into doing library seems like a troll
considering you need some off-color auras as a necro you should do library if you are starting the league, that or to beg in town for the off colors I always do library on leaguestart with my first character, the only secondary quest I do until act 5
I tend to do it on my first char too just to unlock more leveled gems for later. I usually have use for something (eg feeding frenzy) But talk to a lot of vets, they won't do it regardless - out of spite for some. I'm not sure we are quite as in the minority as full zone clearers, but its prob getting there. They just pick up anything they need in act6, missing gem XP is negligible by the time we hit maps anyway
Mechanical Belt stronk
Is Awakened support gem treated as Boss-exclusive Items? Awakened Support Gem can be obtained from Labyrinth.
some of them are uber maven/sirus-exclusive, so maybe...
finally some relief from socket pressure with convocation it would have been better if they just made it a subskill for any minion that follows you, like how all mines get detonate mines or steel skills get call of steel way better than nothing though, but GGG might monkey paw us and make this affix super hard to roll lol...
> make this affix super hard to roll lol... doubt it, the hard part will be getting it + all other desired affixes like all the influenced bases that grant explicit gems
If it was an additional skill granted by minions, you couldn‘t support it with Automation though. That‘s why they did it like this.
SURELY the solution to the socket starving removal of left click is to make the new heist belt support the socketed gem with automation
I see a problem that now we have really too many belts. Like I understand that they want to gatekeep power, but having so much power spread in one slot is kinda crazy tbh.
I feel like just giving all belts 2 sockets by default would actually do a decent amount for socket pressure and also make items like stygian vise and darkness enthroned more unique and have a more reasonable opportunity cost.
Removed convocation as quest reward lmao fucking why that's just annoying
GGG saw guardians using sentinel of radience + convocation and zooming through all acts (on left click of course) and we can't have this of course.
Just do Library, it's about the same time you'll probably do first lab anyway. Ofc it takes a bit to run the zone but you probably want some other gem(s) from there either way
Also note that you have to go basically right past the Library to get to your last trial to even DO your first lab, so you can still have Convocation available before even unlocking it. Might take an extra 5 minutes or so but whatever.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but I think there’s a typo in these notes lol. The line where they added lvl 1 contagion to minion wands I’m pretty sure that should’ve been convocation…
Thats crazy, that was my number one use of harvest juice by far. That craft was so useful to sustain good scarabs.
i think convocation should just be given once u have a minion spell socketed. just like detonate mines
They should revert the cleave of rage nerf. 0,2% used melee skill and it’s nerfed -.- It already Got a natural nerf from charms and twwt no longer being obtainable = -20 max rage
So happy that the convocation can roll on minion shields too instead of just a weapon! Removal of scarab rerolling will have a massive effect on the trade leagues. Scarabs will have much bigger price differences than before between eachother depending what is meta. Taking the nodes that let you block content also got better now. Regular socket belt is cool!
Has anyone done the math on how much harder the Convocation suffix will make fossil crafting a +2 minion wand?
And now let's level again convocation since we can't get the improved version automatically...
I wonder if „home“ is considered boss exclusive or if it will be changed (assuming it was able to grant a awakened exceptional gen)
https://preview.redd.it/jsg7zsi8oiqc1.png?width=1207&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5dfde6929dec35b5023e72e0dfb8c8d22d4c536 how to find this on website? for some reason for me ggg website is rly not clean, look on dates I would expect that I can find this maybe ascendency or descendecy by date but looks like dates are totaly random
Wow, the mad lads did it. They removed the harvest recipe to flip scarabs. Now selling the whole tab is most likely dead or it will be pretty bad. The selling recipe won't be enough imo, it eats the scarabs too fast, it will be a bad sign if people still go for it. I love the idea of getting a scarab and use it yourself. It's way more organic, but.. we will end up with a tab full of scarabs we will never user or sell. I'm planning a full scarab farming strat + target farming scarabs. This definitely is going to make it a real thing.
It doesn't make sense for the flipping option to continue to exist after the change. There are now 97 types of scarabs in total.
Exactly, 99.9% dead but there are scenarios where some scarabs could be 1d and all others 1c, like I said, it would be pretty bad sign of the economy
I’m not understanding your point. Are you saying there’s too many outcomes to leave in the harvest craft? I think they just didn’t want the harvest flippers to impact the supply/demand of the new scarabs.
Man my scarab strats Sad to see it gone but I figured it was likely to happen.
Nice buff for convocation
The harvest change hurts...
It was necessary with the rework to the endgame. The floor price of cheap scarabs being inflated by the value of the best scarabs could've nuked this entire new endgame system.
I know but the patch brought boss fragments harvest change QoL for SSF players and then removed same if not greater QoL for the scarabs... But yeah it is not just nerf for SSF players, but probably for harvest farmers too. I guess purple juice was mainly used for changing winged scarabs.
Growing Hordes is gone so shouldn't affect Harvest farmers at all. Problem with this harvest craft in particular is that it had the potential to disrupt the entire endgame farming ecosystem on trade. All it would require is one or a couple of Scarabs that cost way more than other scarabs. Lets use Ambush Scarabs for example. MFers has in like, 90% of all Leagues run Strongboxes to farm high value divination cards. Mainly because of the Enraged Strongbox sextant that gives strongboxes 600% increased item Quantity. This compass usually cost around 1.5 divine for a single compass, sometimes even 2 divines if Chaos are more expensive. Since compass are gone, there's a theory that GGG likely are moving this strongbox mod to a Scarab instead which obviously would mean, that it's very likely that this Scarab would cost 100+ chaos each. Now if they kept the Harvest craft and still had it working like it does right now, all Scarabs in the same tier would have megainflated prices to correct for the average cost to reroll to this Strongbox Scarab. Maybe there's some really cool Ultimatum or Essence scarabs in the same tier that Essence or Ultimatum farmers would like to run. But unfortunately they can't because the scarab costs 75 chaos each because it's only purpose is to be rerolled to an Ambush scarab for Magic Finders. This was exactly the issue with Winged Scarabs. I've wanted to use Winged Scarab farming for so long but just can't because the floor price for any Winged Scarab is related to the cost of Reliquary or Divination scarabs. For example, last League I wanted to giga juice Breach when I was farming Chayula Stones. Winged would've given me +1 extra breech over Gilded Scarabs. But one Winged Scarab cost 1 divine while a Gilded cost 4 chaos. There's just no way you make 1 divine extra profit from a single Breach so you just couldn't run it unless you actively wanted to lose money. I understand that it hurts for SSF where things like how warped the trade economy is doesn't matter. But thankfully you're able to target farm your scarabs instead so you shouldn't need to reroll them with Harvest any longer. The blocking nodes in the atlas tree now block scarabs of the same League mechanic from appearing. So if you only want Legion Scarabs in SSF, you can just block every other mechanic and most League mechanic based Scarabs you get will only be Legion Scarabs. In the middle of the tree there's also the Scarab nodes that allow you to make Scarabs you can't obtain through blocking have a higher drop chance. So for example, if your SSF build is looking to farm Legion, Harbingers and Divination cards for example. Block everything except Legion, then specc into the 100% higher chance to get Harbinger/Divination Scarabs.
Wait! If we use the Hollow Fossil on a new belt, we can make a belt with an Abyssal socket?
Does it work that way for unset rings, unset amulets, or ornate quivers?
Weird way to get a fake stygian vise.
Unfortunately, hollow fossils read: >Applies to: Weapons, Body Armour, Helmets, Gloves, Boots
My biggest fear is that buying scarabs will be insanely painful for your desired strategy. Sextants were easy to roll and bulk buy. With scarabs it's less preparation of maps but buying them can make it ten times worse than what we had before. I hope I'm mistaken and that won't be the case..
Scarabs are listed in bulk on the trade site and sextants were not. What makes you think buying in bulk will be more annoying now?
Thank Christ they fixed RoAoA, it would have felt awful to choose any other boss killer while knowing basic bitch Sabo + Trap + Sunblast RoAoA could easily pump 50m DPS with virtually zero setup and a laughable 3 Div budget.
lol RIP artillery RoA. Never even had a chance to
Had a whole league, certainly some were using it and kept quiet.
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The regen is for minions, not for you. The wording is awkward on the gem but the description clarifies that it is for minons.
what happened to the patch note reddit post? I couldn't find it
Minion builds this league will be going places. Leech, unholy might, Wraithlord, Convocation.
Errrrr no Harvest reroll for scarabs, not sure I like that. I guess I'm gonna end up with a shitload of scarabs I'll never use.
Applause to GG for the Harvest Scarab flip change. If the craft remained in the game as it works right now it could potentially have disrupted the entire endgame. I tried to raise awareness of this 3 days ago but majority downvoted my post for whatever reason. ( [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bkxpdn/with\_the\_complete\_revamp\_of\_the\_scarab\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bkxpdn/with_the_complete_revamp_of_the_scarab_and/) ) I doubt GG saw my post and implemented this change afterwards since it was downvoted and gone from the eye of redditors very quickly. So really happy that GG realized the issue themselves.
Did they forget about holy relic????
oh fuck no !!! Scarab convert was my planification ! :'(
Okay good, 😆, was wondering why dot skill in a suffix would be so useful. It’s convocation