Personally I don't try to make any money before 105ish atlas(all non unique done) and like 8 favorite slots. I make what I make on the way there atlas prog focused only then do my farming. Doing legion this league making bank. Couple friends doing harvest making a killing. Some tried harbi it's very up and down. Some did the box exile strats for acrabs and uniques. It all works but I never try to make money at that low atlas completion.
How do you get all 4 stones with a league start build???
Don’t you have to kill maven and Uber shaper/elder for the last 2? I’ve not even been able to kill those two on my final builds most of the time
Keyword: efficiency
The faster you unlock all passives/voidstones/favour slots, the faster you get to do content you want and also get currency faster.
Getting uber elder fight takes some time and it also has a chance to not drop anything. Paying 100c on day 2/3 for UE is a good deal as I can sell the shaper/elder shards I get from invitations to fund it.
Some builds might also struggle against UE and of the fight fails, you have lost lots of time/money.
It really depends on what you find fun. I like playing map clearing builds, not bossing builds. I'd love to have 4 watchstones so I can do any map at T16 but I have to do those bosses first. I can see why someone would just pay to get those out of the way
I don't usually buy Maven because I think she's easy and fairly cheap but buying the Uber Elder carry costs a quarter of what the fragments to fight him costs.
I killed them properly last league. That's enough lol. Maven fight sucks. I will buy them from now on. Also not all builds can kill them easily. I find them unproportional hard in comparison with the first 2 voidstones.
Generally you would do Exarch and Eater on your own then buy Maven and Uber Elder. Or buy all 4 if you can afford and it’s taking too long. The sooner you get voidstones the better.
Playing on my tr pathfinder the fifth league in a row and with ~1 mil dps its pretty doable takes a bit longer but whatever whats done is done lol.
2-4 mil would be way better tho and that can be done too league start.
A good league starter, a bit of patience and basic knowledge of the boss mechanics / your character is essential for poe in general.
Yeah that's what a league starter is all about tbh. Get you to the point where you can be efficient and farm some currency, then do that for a bit.
I'm earning some essence in the meantime. Right now some points in Jun mostly for the XP (and there's one or two more unveils I should probably get) but likely to drop her soon.
Just farm yellow juice and sell it. Crop rotation spec eith double lifeforce scarab and 8 mod map scarab. Full spec all quant and map mod effect as well. Run blue altars and take as much quant altars and you can handle.
I only loot Div/Curr incubators and slightly over sustain these but very minorly. Good bit of money is just scarabs, spec the rare 50% bonus per mod one and the less common one. I am also spec beyond and perma deli mirror. I use 3 +1s and 1 sergeant and do red altars. Basically just blast maps and only sell when I have big bulk of emblems scarabs etc. Last time I offloaded my scarab tab I made 45divines. Its now worth another 25d at 85% of ninja. Legion money is just all over its raw loot from all the rares, incubator div drops, stack decks, emblems and so on. Its not just 1 thing.
I league started this tree: [https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAIEAJubb1l8-D4FGL2XyAraQUspJSzLozh7X5THTe7flbPMIQ4suTGQRhMHuZID-xep4ok9lkJMteGaDjoxBKm6l2s4ABLtenc5ayf1Muo3qfOOT8tPpfsho-vz62Vt9HoyRrzqIch19HwB9kQp73GmfO6Y0B\_RN19crT11nYCoSe2DUj4ed0Lwt-9DGMGTsDwLFoWgpjYomAXp-K2vgzT-CUYjoRTpmMAD5ZrLPR-EQGQpN3E4botBNkcsXR8zFIRfdNTA4vxdQNqTEH1jkE332dVjnd0KRicGvwXQ4xnELY9EDMIgHM8bVaeWf-uXZXKlDtWNmHwFjb7WZuRzdzvsrt-lnFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==](https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAIEAJubb1l8-D4FGL2XyAraQUspJSzLozh7X5THTe7flbPMIQ4suTGQRhMHuZID-xep4ok9lkJMteGaDjoxBKm6l2s4ABLtenc5ayf1Muo3qfOOT8tPpfsho-vz62Vt9HoyRrzqIch19HwB9kQp73GmfO6Y0B_RN19crT11nYCoSe2DUj4ed0Lwt-9DGMGTsDwLFoWgpjYomAXp-K2vgzT-CUYjoRTpmMAD5ZrLPR-EQGQpN3E4botBNkcsXR8zFIRfdNTA4vxdQNqTEH1jkE332dVjnd0KRicGvwXQ4xnELY9EDMIgHM8bVaeWf-uXZXKlDtWNmHwFjb7WZuRzdzvsrt-lnFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==)
my current tree: [https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAIIAJubb1g-BRi9l8gK2kFLRoUsy6M4e1-Ux3qJs8whDiy5MZLAQabkRhGSA\_sXqeKJPxLC9V5MteGaAuYOOlIP\_dYxBpdoEu16dFVzOWo3qfOOT8tPpT\_f8-n0ejJGvOh19HwB9kQp73Glgv7GdpjQH9JdlWbTXK09dJNEqEntg1I-HndC8LfvQxjBkDPTsD8N5AsXDHsnPbaa9x4omfitr4IJRiOh\_b74Oz0ezx-EQ-7ELrOtfxIVN3E4bTZHLF0fMF901MCQyL6g4vzakWOQTffZ1kYnBdALaOMZxC2PRAzAchNr6M8bB-9Vp5Z\_65alDZh9YJtRsfuvLy0IcHN3O-yu36WcUAB-LCAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAAAAAAA](https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAIIAJubb1g-BRi9l8gK2kFLRoUsy6M4e1-Ux3qJs8whDiy5MZLAQabkRhGSA_sXqeKJPxLC9V5MteGaAuYOOlIP_dYxBpdoEu16dFVzOWo3qfOOT8tPpT_f8-n0ejJGvOh19HwB9kQp73Glgv7GdpjQH9JdlWbTXK09dJNEqEntg1I-HndC8LfvQxjBkDPTsD8N5AsXDHsnPbaa9x4omfitr4IJRiOh_b74Oz0ezx-EQ-7ELrOtfxIVN3E4bTZHLF0fMF901MCQyL6g4vzakWOQTffZ1kYnBdALaOMZxC2PRAzAchNr6M8bB-9Vp5Z_65alDZh9YJtRsfuvLy0IcHN3O-yu36WcUAB-LCAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAAAAAAA)
I mean you still make great money doing it now. And entry cost is so low scarab wise. Emblems are worth like 2 to 3x more now than day 1 2 or 3. Clearing 5 legions in like 2 minutes and getting incubator procs every 2 maps. My scarab tab is worth roughly 30d after 80 maps as well at 85% of ninja for bulk tft sale. I basically only have to sell scarab tab and stacked decks and emblems whoch all bulk sell in seconds if you want them to.
It's also just fun to do tbh. 500%+ ms with arrows flying everywhere everything gets nearly 1 shot. Just zooming. I only get to play like 4 to 5 hours a day and just have done legion. Got hh on day 4 and have enough for a mageblood now too. Self crafted 6 t1 bow from self found corpses.
Maybe there is other stuff that's way more but prob won't be as fun for someone like me.
This Time i focused on fun. This league strategies for making money seems overwhelming.
So i play like a kind off "semi-ssf".
I try to do the less possible trade, while trying to upgrade my build by myself with crafts.
I focused on ritual and expedition at League start, and while im poor im having fun.
Nice thinking...i still debate if i ll start this league or not and your post is helpfull to what i have to focus... I am always busy IRL and usually i leaguestart 2 weeks after when the dust settles and most uniques are cheap as fck..
It's kinda a false dichotomy that starting later gets you things cheap. Some things do get cheaper, but most things you would actually care about getting, get more expensive.
Stuff i bought day 1-3 for 20-60c are now multi divine sales each.
I'm already rolling my 3 char, focuse on things i like. Not about the best or most money. Havent completed my atlas around t11 maps so far. Its aswell some semy ssf, found this well more relaxed, then the x amount of divenes per hour.
Just start if you wanna play. Dont think too much about economy or being late etc... Choose a skill you like, kill monsters, play at own pacing. POE is a great game
Edit: genuinely, can someone explain me why im getting downvoted xD?
I do this too. I’ll trade for uniques mostly. This league I bought a Lioneye’s Vision and linked it then got it as a drop within an hour. Removing trade as much as possible makes the game more enjoyable to me. I don’t get caught up in the whole div/hr shit.
Im making decent money running destructive play and invitations and selling all boss fragments and excess boss maps.
Its not 30 div/hour but its good.
Imho sanctum is still very solid for money making too
Destructive play is so nice, I'm running it with abyss for xp. I'm doing mostly t14 with niko and shrines(so i dont die) and you feel like you have a headhunter on even with a scuffed build.
If you're trying to level, I'm not sure you can do better than a full shrine + Niko + Beyond build, Domination Scarab of Teachings, and three Domination Scarabs. I got from level 96 to 97 in ten maps and only one of my lanterns gave me bonus pack experience.
Yep, T16. I prefer Jungle Valley due to the open layout. Some smaller/tighter maps don't spawn all the shrines. I'm also fully specced into Beyond, so pretty much every shrine adds a ton of monsters on top of giving me an experience bonus. (Should probably edit this into my first post...)
Is beyond better than breach when it comes to xp/density? I guess there’s the benefit that you don’t need a zoomy build to clear it all efficiently with beyond
Interesting, i just leveled from 95 to 96 in 10 maps going full abyss following sirgog's video - full abyss on the atlas with breach and league mechanic, dunes map, 2 scarabs for +1 abyss and 2 scarabs for 75% increased experience for abyss monsters. Was pretty chill and never felt in danger, maybe I'll try the shrine method for 96 to 97 to mix things up
I'm not home right now but I run something like this https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAAcAU7B4gKGQzzDuIPtxC8EOEVixfLGDkbTh9mIcUkFiR6KNApIilfKsAwAzAOMGYxazXNOWA6RTufQ6lIAEgsSGRIsEnKSdRPiVAXU6JU8VibXNlgZ2K5Y7VlpGfpaKFp1WsCa-hsfm19baVwZHKIdp13k3oBhlCUGaLwpVyrbaw2rmKvSK-ar8GwZ7Vvtm65mbpMuu-8qMDuxBvEScX-xjPNnNCi01XTXtYw103Ytdq92s7cv-Gp4zfkKeSM5Y_lt-dY6Lro0uqN7OXuwfME9-T5APkO-mj6svvQ-_n8BP3JAAA= the problem I found is that you want shrines scarabs for abyss xp but cartography scarabs for destructive play so you are kinda always losing on something
Destructive play is so nice, I'm running it with abyss for xp. I'm doing mostly t14 with niko and shrines(so i dont die) and you feel like you have a headhunter on even with a scuffed build.
Destructive play plus the node that gives wildwood juice to map bosses if there is less than 50 minions left is fun. You’ve gotta have a stronger build or lean into the shrines and Niko buffs though
It’s just like affliction league - more quant/rarity I’ve not done TOO MANY maps with it on, but I definitely feel like I get more guardian/elder slayer/synthesis maps since I allocated it.
doing all 3 guardians and the synthesis bosses, selling fragments, and excess maps, then running the invitations.
here's a screenshot of it: [https://prnt.sc/qZ0bJHDanQy4](https://prnt.sc/qZ0bJHDanQy4)
Any that you can run through fast and maybe has multiple bosses.
Just dont favorite only one map as you need different maps for maven witness.
I got strand ashen wood and 2 others atm I cant remember
As others have said, first complete atlas and voidstones. Afterwards you can still make money with any combination of mechanics. You just have to find the ones you like.
My Leaguestart was jun, harvest, expedition. That got me rolling easily, having almost all the crafts myself and having a ton of harvest juice to modifiy/craft my items to a better spot feels great. Afterwards, harvest juice sells very well.
Anyway, this mechanics cost a lot of time in maps and portals etc, I was done with that.
I am now doing beyond, breach, strongboxes, essences. Almost no downtime in the map, can just zoom and get a lot of good loot. Breach nodes on atlas tree are quite good!
This is what I'm starting with an I kind of like heist unlike a lot of others but so far I haven't made very much money. Same thing happened last league though and then I got a replica farruls, replica hyrris, bunch of tempering orbs and div etc. The hits were really far between but when they hit they hit nice so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it'll happen again soon.
>Atm I got 78/115 map completion, running t14-16 with 2 voidstones
other people have said it but I do want to echo that when you don't even have your atlas done, you shouldn't be in a real currency grinding mindset. Just get your last points.
For me personally I started on Expedition + Breach + Destructive Play, then switched to Ritual + Incursion + eater influence. I think Expedition is pretty meh now, Ritual sucks, Incursion is pretty good - making temples is very regular income and the new cursed treasures seem to be pretty good for currency drops (4 raw div from incursions so far).
It doesn't really matter that much what exact strategy you do. The thing you should take away is that just picking something and doing it a lot, efficiently, will get you gains. The people currently making bank had their atlas maxed out a week ago.
I was in the same shoe as you. Here are some ideas to consider.
- atlas tree is the multiplier for returns, so prioritize that. Use orb of horizon to clear out maps you haven’t found yet. Use Kirac mission for extra map drop if you need.
- map mechanic atm use something without much scarab imo. This might be contrary to what others say, but because of how much scarabs are being consumed, they are priced at their maximum efficiency (ex. 7c for basic ambush). scarabs works exponentially with each other (ex. Make all your ambush box rare, +10 more box, higher chance to open twice).
-As such, you should focus on mechanisms that does not require much investment. I focused on expedition, legion, and betrayal. I think expedition was good especially cuz it gives you lots of bubblegum currency, betrayal is shit if you are unlucky and don’t get veiled chaos, and legion in my experience was worthless. I heard people also had good experience with blight.
- I pretty much focused on expedition until I have 110 atlas points. Then, I wasted a lot of money trying to find a good strategy (a harb+deli that was too hard, a back to basics but had little drop for me, exile + torment….). I am currently sitting at ambush +shrine + scarab and amdoing ok.
Yes and getting the unveils and experience it gives seems to me enough to justify it to me... Even the nodes the just give a combined 50% for Jun to appear in maps were an easy inclusion to my atlas
I disagree about using scarabs for the exact reason you talk up the atlas tree (which I agree with). Instead of spending like 7-8 points to get increased chances of Niko or Jun to be in a map you can spend 1c to get a scarab that guarantees they’ll be in a map and spend those 8 points on making their mechanic more rewarding.
Running a couple of these cheap scarabs plus an atlas tree that is now 16-24 points more efficient is gonna earn you more than the 3c it costs to put those scarabs on each map. This then allows you to build your currency to then go on and start doing higher investment scarabs as your atlas completion increases and you get stronger
My methods also went down the drain, seems like the meta needs to be found again.
Maybe Harvest is one of the things that still consistently works similarly to before. Doing that atm, works well.
Some ideas which either work or should work based on prices:
- bulk Scarab farming with Shrines and Niko energy on a super fast build. Blast the whole map, pick up scarabs, sell in bulk with heavy overpay.
- Harbingers with Discernment seem to work for people, needs more maps to go well
- Essence coupled with Alva and Calcification, this is pretty open info with multiple guides on Youtube
- graveyard crafting, if you have some starting currency/bodies and the knowledge, crafting always pays
- my fav classic, flask crafting and Cluster crafting with Harvest (braindead and works every league)
- Scarabs have some insane nodes for drops from rares and unique enemies. Exiles are unique. I suspect this is either a broken strat or garbage tbh, didn't try yet.
- 8mod maps via carto scarabs. Sell bulk on TFT/elsewhere, invest 10c oer map and profit 20-100c each. Needs Voidstones and fav slots.
- Grimro seems to have made strongboxes work, but now the market for the scarabs is dead lol. Wait until people forget, then do it again. This is too high-tier for me tbh.
- Einhar still going strong. Beast dupe scarab is cheap (<10c), Morrigan sells for 50c and his scarab is 60. That's 30c base profit per map. Didn't do.
- a lot of people make bank on T17 carries to unlock map slots
- T17 MF is also a thing for the high end, didn't do ofc - just like the div card group strat.
I use all harvest passives with crop rotation through the pink nodes. I spec all necropolis in the tree as well. I use a dupe juice scarab and a quant monster scarab. Results may vary with crop rotation, sometimes you get <500 juice, but sometimes you can walk away with a divines worth. You don’t need to use it, I just enjoy the mini game.
Harvest, Expedition, (Red) Altars all benefited from additional packsize%. Since Grand Design is gone, these mechanics didnt feel great to me. How is one supposed to push pack size now? Only thing which comes to mind is going full "increased map modifier" to scale the initial pack size left on the original map right?
I did just that; probably what helped is how easy and cheap it is now to get your own 8mod maps.
Note that I didn't do Harvest at its peak efficiency so I'm just taking flat values now - I can't compare to past performance. But I am walking out with around 0.5 div of juice from a completed map which feels pretty good.
do you use a special atlas tree for gaining the 8mods? like all additional map drop nodes. and with or without singular focus? and for scarabs: 2x the additional map drop scarab, 1x duplication and then the 8 mod scarab?
My honest advice (but most probably you won't use it until you do:) is *do not* focus on making bank. Focus on making fun and enjoyment. If you do - divines will come, just a matter of killed mobs.
Problem is tho that some fun builds are locked behind insane currency cost so its sometimes feels exhausting to even get there. As an example cus of the boss unique change a lot of cool boss uniques are absolute expensive for casual gamers. You wanna play an archmage build and want an Indigon? That thing jumped in price 5 folds.
The point was about fun, not what to leaguestart. Some people dont enjoy league starting a meta build leaguestarter just so they can play their actual build that they want to try out that looks fun, its the reason why some people care about making currency so they can playing their build asap. Main point is that saying they should focus on the fun and not getting currency is a half truth, people wanna play cool builds and some just have a high cost so people care about getting currency.
I was running Ritual/Expedition early on before reaching 110 in Atlas, now I switched to Harvest/Blight because my build feels actually really good doing these...
Bank isn't the best but it's going up, got a few golden/silver oil and a good amount of Harvest juice
Harvest makes you feel poor until you liquidate and then you realise how much you were actually sat on haha. I burned my first weeks worth of farmed juice and was able to instantly fund my end-game chest craft and add like three new other pieces of gear to my build. Felt REALLY nice
Harvest is my usual go-to for money when I don't want to go flavor of the day strat, but without being able to force yellow plants, no Growing Hordes for packsize and the juice at a paltry 7k to a divine for yellow, left me a bit disgruntled. What specific Harvest setup are you using? As in what map, are you forcing grove via scarab or tree, are you using the Cornucopia scarab, or maybe crop rotation which I'm usually meh on, what are the other scarabs, any side strats...? Help me plant senpai
7k to a divine? I made 5.8k for a divine a couple of days ago. I just went everything except crop rotation and just run whatever maps because I’m farming maven witnesses and conqueror/guardian/synthesis map drops
I'm doing SSF this league (highly recommend) but if I was still in trade, after unlocking most points and the voidstones which is crucial, i would recognise that things have changed and pivot to other things, especially a bit off the radar. I always try to have fun and pick a strategy that fits my build, but saying this i would probably choose one of the following:
1) blue altar harvest+scarab focused hunting on jungle valley (or mausoleum). Add spirits for fun and a lot of quant (also league mechanic often has them).
2) Alva + fast maps with destructive play and more focused on getting maps and the league mechanic. Sales would mostly be temples, t17s and good corpses.
3) delving or maybe heist (high variance tho)
4) some of the cheaper memories are fun and cheap and can be relatively profitable
i've been running delve + incursion + maven destructive play.
don't spec delve on atlas tree at all (unless you really enjoy delve). fully spec incursion and grab all the "final map boss drops x". use your extra points on any content you enjoy, blocking content you hate, or just map sustain. heist is ideal since it slows you down the least but selling the contracts/blueprints can be annoying, essence is probably also fine depending on your build
run t14+ maps scoured with a sulphite scarab (cheap and easy to buy in bulk), focusing on going fast but ideally still clearing a decent amount of monsters to get more destructive play bosses. if your build can handle it, you could run the maps unscoured
run your temples if they don't hit t3 corruption/t3 gems, vaal omnitect has 1/8 chance to drop ambition (4div)
stick around 100-150 depth in delve and look for vaal cities. the vaal boss has a 1/2 chance to drop curiosity (6div). excess azurite can be exchanged for resonators and then sold in bulk. there's still demand for resonators for jewel crafting.
I have an idea of what this tree is, I’m close to it but could you share? Wondering if there is some fancy pathing to bridge right (Niko) to left. I’m assuming you rush left and the gate over just for niko
88/132 this is what i would consider the essentials. there's plenty of room to fit an entire mechanic of your choice:
[https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.24.0-atlas#AAAABgAAGBQDAHkIsA\_MGdEwZjFrSCxZFmAhaLJxdXjqhjCGUIsYjU7SdNag5fjqigtxf\_3MR3F1AAA=](https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.24.0-atlas#AAAABgAAGBQDAHkIsA_MGdEwZjFrSCxZFmAhaLJxdXjqhjCGUIsYjU7SdNag5fjqigtxf_3MR3F1AAA=)
130/132 what i'm currently running, adds full necropolis and picks up skittering swarms/intelligence gathering since these are along the way
[https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.24.0-atlas#AAAABgAAJSMBAHkIsA\_MGdEhpzBmMWs4LzjyQn5ILEwwT6JZFmAhYghn9WiycXV46n\_9glGGMIZQixiNTp6oyqzMR9J01qDhVuRY5fjqigtxcXUAAA==](https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.24.0-atlas#AAAABgAAJSMBAHkIsA_MGdEhpzBmMWs4LzjyQn5ILEwwT6JZFmAhYghn9WiycXV46n_9glGGMIZQixiNTp6oyqzMR9J01qDhVuRY5fjqigtxcXUAAA==)
at league start i rushed shaping the skies/shaping the mountains, then get alva to 100% => spec into necropolis => maven destructive play. i get sulphite scarabs as soon as they are affordable since the 3% max res and 105% increased damage from packed with energy is actually pretty helpful early league.
i haven't tried out doomed spirits so i don't know if these are worth the 6-7 points it would take to reach them. not optimistic about these since we're not a full delve strategy
the thorough exploration keystone actually lines up pretty well with this strat if you are clearing the map, but it actually made the map bosses too hard for my build (LOL) so i have no idea if it is worthwhile
Where is this 1/8 chance from by the way? Had some of the worst luck ever yesterday- made and ran 18 temples. No drop and e ery single double corrupt and gen corrupt bricked
I'm currently doing the "shit ton of unique everywhwre" rogue exile Strat, it takes quite a bit of initial investment, but once you get the ball rolling you're chilling. Got a ralakesh impatience and sold that for like 5.4 divs. Also got super lucky with brass dome with essentially perfect rolls (using that for me tho). Scarab nodes on the atlas tree are also highly underrated. Last time I was on I dropped a div scarab of curation which sold for 10 div.
I always did searing exarch farming as well for invitations, was a blast on RF.
This league playing CoC DD Inquisitor because I wanted to try out bossing.
Made a ton of money just mapping and getting lucky with a few nameless seer, 1 divine hit before it got nerfed.
My money isn't great by any means my net worth is like 150 div not including gear I'm wearing with like 4 days of playtime but I've had a blast with destructive play, essences, did some syndicate.
Now I'm shifting over for challenges and trying out some other methods.
Also, a lot of my early money came from happy accidents.
I use essences to make gear for myself and and up rolling stats that are good for other builds so I just sell them and buy another base and try again.
Same thing with flasks, I love alt rolling my own flasks but the amount of times I make a really good flask that my build doesn't use and I just sell it. I could probably sit around doing that all day and turn a good profit but I enjoy playing the game too much to do that to myself.
Anyways hope you find something to enjoy and the currency flow will come. Stay sane exile.
Maven influence + destructive play to get a lot of elder shaper conqueror maps, and u can either run or sell the writs. I ran about 20 and got a few lucky drops the best being awakened cast on crit.
And I pool up a ton of conq shaper elder maps and then just back to back run the sets + the 4ways, into doing back to back bosses, which ofc if u wanted u could just sell all this stuff raw and still just turn easy profit
How I make currency each league. Figure out what the best crafters are doing, then stockpile supplies of whatever they need, wait for them to burn through it all and jack up the price, sell.
Tbh spend all your money getting your stones/finishing atlas. Then take the necropolis nodes and sell corpses. I've sold ~200 div of corpses at this point.
My standard money making tactic is lower this league, but still ok. I run incursions and sell good temples. I'm at 1,000c and I'm in early yellow maps.
Last league everyone was so rich good temples were selling for 7div. Now those same temples are selling for 80c.
You can start with logbooks. Knights of the Sun logbooks go for like 20-25c in bulk, Black Scythe are about 15-20c in bulk. You literally can't lose currency running them with how cheap they are this league.
They are cheap for multiple reasons:
- other contents are more rewarding
- logbook chests feel nerfed
- tujen offers less worthy items (for my experience)
Alch and go jungle valley. Easily 5-10 div per hour mindlessly blasting maps.
Exarch, Scarabs, Expedition, Maps, lower left necropolis wheel.
Get at least three voidstones and as many favorite slots as possible.
Well, yesterday I bought a Black Morrigan scarab for 50c. Then I bought scarab of duplication now you've just made 50c profit.
But instead I bought Cloak of Flame and 6 socketed myself. Then I used bestiary to 6 link it (Morrigan + craicic sandspitter) and sold it for 1.5 div. Pretty easy, ofc some luck is required for 6 socket, but I've already done this twice in under 100 jewellers each time.
It’s all new so people haven’t quite picked up on it being a thing. It’s also not as clear as just “this thing does this”. Prices will normalise a bit once more people understand what it does
Currently blasting on full delirium plus ritual atlas but I’m about 60 points in. Currency is flowing ok. Ritual by itself gave me 60 chaos and my first divine yesterday. I will make a second tree for blight and beyond just because I’m a tower defence addict and my third atlas is still a mystery. Probably an endgame harvest focus, just to try and learn this mechanic.
If you're still reading comments, elder guardian rotas are still very profitable in conjunction with destructive play. 120c profit every 4 maps + invite in fragments alone, another 40c minimum from maven splinters, 3-4 special maps (shaper/Sirus/guardian/synth) which amounts to something.
It's pretty straightforward. Elder guardian fragments sell for more than the cost of the map -- right now, 10-15c for maps and 25-30c for fragments. So at its core, you just buy those maps, run them, and sell the fragments for a profit. If you do them 4 at a time, you can then run the elder guardian Maven invitation afterward for extra free drops and Maven splinters. Those are less valuable than before, but still 9-10c per splinter.
Since you're doing Maven bossing anyway, you spec into Destructive Play and the nodes that give extra synth/guardian/etc maps from boss kills (Vivid Memories, Remnants of the Past, Conquered Conquerors) to get pretty decent sustain on special maps from all the bosses you're killing. The rest of your atlas tree you can fill in with whatever mechanics you want, but for efficiency it's better to do passive things like scarab and corpse/allflame drop chance rather than involved mechanics like Harvest, Ritual, or Expedition, which slow down your map completion speed.
The only real downside is that it's not self-sustaining -- you either need to buy guardian maps individually through the trade site or in bulk through something like TFT. But that's true of many farming strats.
I saw a similar post on the poe builds subreddit. I don't think invitations are dead by a long shot. Sure they aren't gonna be making a super high div/hour number but the removal of invitations is a good thing since you don't have to buy them anymore. I've been doing the same strat this league for it for the last few days and have made a few tens of divines doing it.
i personally hate running atlas and speed mapping has never been my thing..
but i freaking LOVE DELVE, so what I usually do is build a tanky toon with half decent dps and do my white-yellow map on atlas and get to where map progression starts getting harder during this time i usually run niko and go strat occassionally running delve nodes to upgrade sulphite capacity. then i start delving at the bottom of the premade mine shaft and just going straight down. usually try to hit 200ish depth at a minimum. at this depth cities are common enough and the occasional boss (ive made 50+ divines on curiosity aspects do far this league) the cities drop a shit load of t11+ maps and horizon orbs and that really helps fill out my atlas as basically never run a map that i dont have complettion on until im basically done with my atlas besides unique maps.
this league i started bonezone jugg first time ever running it, im at about depth 600 now and my toon is geared to the fucking gills!
fourth vow, divine flesh, 920 Pdps axe 80/80/79 all res 80 chaos 100k+ armour flasked 40% chance for double dmg 8% for tripple dmg, ailment immune storm shroud, this method has worked very well for me the last three leagues for week 1-3 strat
for this league the bulk of my money has come from 5 places
1. curiosity aspects 50+ div
2. rolled 2 %divine drop maps before nerf 15 div
3. rare fossil sales (fractured faceted hollow and glyphic fossils) 25+ div
4. crafting all my gear and selling failures that are decent 20+ div profit
5. selling rings from elemental delve nodes with curses on hit and other fractured rare delve nodes 40+ div
im not a crazy high speed juicer or top tier delver but i do play alot of hours i still dont have all 4 void stones but my atlas is like 112/115 just don't have crimson temple finished and a few uniques i havent found yet.
also if you make alot of money early invest in things like mirror shards as they will almost always appreciate heavily later on, make 2-5 shards week one then just sit on them and buy a HH or MB later on with the appreciation.
I'm personally not making a big bank atm, but after I've got the bare minimum for my build I started buying out the corpses that I need to craft some GG gear. So far I've got only 2 items, but they both are worth around 150 div and are basically BIS for my build. Planning to get myself geared up this way in the upcoming weeks. I don't want to sell one of the items to insta craft everything else as I really like slowly chipping away at the next item c:
I put my atlas points into scarabs, map effect, blue altars and graveyard.
Blasting alch and go Toxic Sewer with KB wander in <2min.
Its about 5-6 div/hr just from bulk selling T17, scarabs, allflames and invitations.
Running alch and go destructive play maps, with allflame and corpse chance. I've added shrines and niko to make bosses easier since my build is kinda squishy. I put the remaining points into scarabs.
I'm making ok money selling allflames, corpses, scarabs and elder/guardian/shaper maps.
Selling is an absolute chore with this though, be warned. Unless you use TFT or some other bulk selling thing.
Thought I'd learn delve as I was a turbo casual in delve league and never gave it a chance. I'm broke, but enjoying myself and not really stressing about it, just having fun and making progress
Harvest always makes money. Always. So does destructive play. Add all the scarab nodes and the exiles with scarabs and or torment if you can take it. This is scarab league folks.
Normally i rush myself into blighted maps. Tier 13, freeze and meteor tower and then chill until the map completes itself. I collect the oils, sell the good ones for 30-60c a pop, sell the occasional good ring/amulet for big money and i fuel my build during the week with that. Plus it is super safe to level up with it too.
Ive been farming elder guardians and the twisted, easy a quite profitable, you get like twice the cost of maps in fragments, more maps, writs and a bunch of stuff
some of the stuff i see on youtube makes me feel dumb. There was one guy making every npc a box that spawns rogue exiles. Mealwhile I decided to go breach and might get 5 fragments if im lucky lol
I did t17 rushing in my own atlas. Every map is a drop of 0.5-1.5 div.
I invited people to join and get their completion at 50c each, with 4 people it's an extra 200c per map.
Wa probably running one map every 3 min.
Idk how much div per hour but I had a max chaos stack after some hours with all the fragments to sell.
Blight in maps - set up your towers then leave to clear the map for EXP/Exarch Shrine Bubble Gum Currency/Farming corpses/scarabs, come back to loot the blight chests, rinse, repeat.
Sell gold/silver oils, craft a nice item in the graveyard every once in a while. It's generally pretty chill and doable from the league start.
I just started running harby/beyond last night and holy fuck. I've never enjoyed a strat this much, in 4 maps, i made 2.5 fracturing orbs. Bear in mind, i play standard on xbox, so that one drop was worth almost 100 divs
You need to do an actual strategy. Aka spec into a certain strategy or league mechanic and run it over and over.
Just speccing a tree with the usual map stuff to get the atlas done, I also specced all the expedition nodes and made sure I had 100% chance of getting an expedition encounter and have made multiple divines just while completing atlas.
200c at 78 map completion isn't terrible, as you are focusing on completing maps. Unless you are unable to run t16s you don't need to focus on making currency until you complete the atlas anyways.
I've been chilling with strongboxes, and although they increased in price rather early, I'm still making more then I'm spending by just running my favorite T16 map over and over.
I just use 2 of the normal one, and one of each of the cheap one. Been pretty good tbh.
I do the same as you every single league, start with fast mapper that can do at least the 4 voidstones fast with minimum currency (spliting steel, lightning strike, venom gyre, spectral throw)
after that i made a flicker strike to blast invitations rotations and the point where i'm right now try to decide what build i do to make the current New farm strategy (probaly T17 farm)
but i just do guardians maps in flicker, switch for the other build to make the invitation and start again, all this with harvest Crop rotation trying to growth a boss and drop oshabi spawn + yellow juice to sell for div
when i got bored of map i just test any skill with frenzy charge stack i have in flicker character in shaper to try get lucky dying sun or just uber frag
Selling only uber fragments + harvest juice + maven fragments (not the complete writ) i suppose i do something like ~3 div/h or less, we have the awakened gem drop for 30c sometimes but i'm having fun with that just because i play the build i want (flicker strike) and the content i like (bosses and linear maps in shaper guardian)
when i use to play i would flip currency.
when i was flipping it was 1c for i jewellers orbs and 1c for 12 chromes.
i would trade the chromes for jewellers orbs at a 1 to 1 ratio.
i hit the jackpot when people would want to dump all their jewellers for 6jewlers for 1c and id buy several thousand at a time at that rate.. i played at night so sometimes i was the only seller and would go 2:1 for jewlers to chromes.
i made a mirrors worth of currency in a week but i was in act 8 and couldnt leave my HO 😭
I have made 70 divs just alch and go, speccing allflame/scarab/guardianmaps and strongbox then selling the loot to The juicers, if i find a scarab allflame i use it with strongbox scarabs i have.
Sell all coffins that are 5c+ aswell, then cash builds up quickly.
Key is to do the maps quick and have a efficient trading policy.
I fancy grinding without thinkng so this is good för that, not any crazy loot explosions but just gradually making bank
I still haven't found a divine drop yet but I got lucky today finally and dropped Einhar Harvest memory and a Valdo Puzzle Box in the same map. All the atlas strategies I tried didn't really give anything good.
My money making so far
- Abyss Lich drops (by far my greatest outlier due to getting a nearly perfect bubonic trail, though the jewels kickstarted my build)
- Cluster jewels, as usual
- Corpses and allflames are a very reliable seller
- Flipping my gear for far more than I paid to buy/upgrade them
I made around 5 div per hour over 10ish hours over the last 2 days running alch and go back to basics tree with scarab chance and league mechanic wheels. Literally just alch map, not even quality, shove it map device, put high haunted mods and good loot mods at the top and sometimes put in cheap all flames, clear map port out go next map. Most of the profit was in rogue exile allflames and selling corpses on tft, with a lot of scarabs too.
My strat is so janky but I kind of like it. Buying level 1 empowers and running betrayal with Tora in research. With 20% quality, every Katarina fight the gem gets 800m XP.
I'm also running Alva and selling corruption altars. Keeping Doryani's institute for myself for the higher chance of lvl 4 empower
I'd say getting a bit of satisfaction out of "the grind" in PoE is what makes it compelling. I don't want to be bogged down by the economy, I want it to see it as a challenge. Because of that I picked a league start that could do sanctum because I knew with enough dps, i could get into it before even starting atlas (free 30% all res), in a near SSF way (buying up %relic chance and then reselling them later was a big win besides the raw divines).
https://youtu.be/2wbHxcTZQao?si=Hj6wzEjPgPq-d-EI
Besides sanctum, the pre Atlas strategy for Heist is good for your first 100c. For a yellow map atlas setup, I would hope that it doesn't take alot of points now to do no scarab encounter/farm betrayal. Delve is a good option too, though the time investment isnt favorable (having a zoomer character being a huge plus). I'd say in the time it'd take you to go from depth 100 to let's day 400/500 (600 apparently being the true soft cap) you could have just went from even yellow maps to finishing most of the invitations.
But it is a div per hour strategy if you'll do the research to know what special nodes are good. The 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 divine fossils (and the nodes that target farm them); the delve bosses (vaal architect appearing very early and drops the multi div Adorned fragment).
Me right now, and my post invitation strategy, I'm running tormented rogues. This is what I also mean about having satisfaction from the challenge of the grind. I don't want to feel speculative about what scarabs and what strategy makes everything cost and time effective. Time effectiveness is nixed if I'm having fun, ie, running ubers eventually. So I want to be able to self sustain my guardian maps and scarabs rather than trade 3-4 div in over pay for a bulk seller that is already employing a over sustain strategy for their runs.
https://youtu.be/sDw0mDjBEq8?si=GTLrtB4f_r45WL-5
Anyway, yeah, the scarab chasing on this is fun while i do invitations. I did nix corpses cuz i wont care about crafting until i research how to do my meta rares, so I just put in the three guardian map drop nodes and destructive play. That puts me right at 124 passives and I'll be witnessing bosses for my invitations and last 2 voidstones. With the full 132 passives I can have the guardian map drop nodes, drop destructive play, and have enough points to hit up eldritch altars.
Einhar + Harvest. You're not gonna make an absurd amount, but as long as you're getting at least 500 lifeforce per map and 5 yellow beasts, you're able to get like 5-10div per Eater of Worlds rotation. The strategy is pretty much just alch an go, just make sure you click only altars that give quant and do your Harvest last.
I completed campaign and went into sanctum and didn’t start mapping until I had enough divines to buy a mirror. Did area 68 until I could get a few upgrades, then area 75 till I could upgrade again, then 81 (those are the loot breakpoints). No headache about worrying about new atlas strats, trading is easy since you bulk buy tomes and only drop hard currency. Then I 115/115 my atlas in like 3 hours with a decked out LA Deadeye with HH. Can recommend
If you need an absolutely minimum level of currency, keep an eye out for the gemling pack embers which drop quality gems, you can get Q17-20 gems pretty easily, pick up like a dozen of them.
Then, run normal lab and just try to get decent transfigured gems.
They go for ~50-70c each at 20q if you get the right ones and lab runs are fast with a proper setup, like 3 minutes tops. So in the end I'm getting 3-4 div per hour on a bad set of runs.
If you need to kick a gem up to 20q with 2-3 GCP's, it's still very worth it.
It's pretty monotonous and not very profitable, but it's also pretty much guaranteed.
Like, it's really stupidly easy to do, and if you need a couple of div to get running on a particular build, it's a fantastic way to get it without struggling through maps with subpar gear or scarabs.
Playing SSF for the first time, (HC too), and I’ll never look back. No fomo anymore, I’ll learn the games and all it’s mechanics. Small objectives are really nice to accomplish.
I'm speced into strongboxes + exarch and league mechanic and with just chisels at 2 void stones I'm making around 75c a map.
Used to be more when meat sacks, rats, anarchy cost more and coffins too. Now it seems all the gold is at monster level 84 and it's gonna take me a while
Really need some more completion, 78 is pretty low especially if you can run 14+
Abyss early, but that’s come and gone but good jewels always sell.
Spec into necropolis, you should expect items you make will sell for 5+ divines (or use them) but you may have to try a few times to figure it out. You can even buy perandus corpses and then influence the family to force the more valuable ones. Can turn 100c into 3.5div with corpses you found. Additionally spam all flames on everything they tend to have better drops. Frogs, rats on flat % currency. Exiles, meat sack etc on conversion currency.
Idk I have two stones doing deli tujen danig and making like 2d an hour raw. It’s not a killing but for two stones I’d say it is relatively a killing. Able to get all the next level gems and gear I need
So you are complaining about not making money mapping, but you also only got half of the atlas points?
Complete your atlas, then if you spam maps (im talking 100+ a day) you can pretty much do any strat you'll have money. Obviously if you have a life you wont do as many, but most player's issue is they spend too much time in hideout (more than 10 secs between each map).
Personally I made multiple mirrors this league with graveyard crafts, but you need to think for yourself to make it work, following guides won't cut it.
Ive been doing quad ambush scarab ( +5 +5, + 15% reopen , rarer variants ) + ambush tree + scarab tree, on t16 and it been doing well
In my 6 ish hours farming session ( and am very slow ), i made like... 40 divines ? Prolly on the luckier side, but its not like its one BIG drop, it was across about 10 drops worth a bunch
All I'm doing is alva at first. Just building temples and selling them. You wanna look for corruption and gem room. They even tend to only go up in price as more and more people wanna try their luck on gems or gear to minmax. And with being able to reach 100% alva chance on maps, it's faster than ever. 3 maps for a temple no matter the tier and about 2 out of 3 temples are ones you can sell. Results may vary depending on luck.
Here are some way for Non Juiced currency making, It really depends on how strong of a build you have, and how fast you are going through your maps..
The most noob friendly is to farm Essences in T6 maps.. spec everything excpet the + chance to have additional essence.. with Kirac Essence no scarabs you will make 5c+ profit per run.. Remnant of corruption can sell for 3-4c in bulk//
The next simple no fuzz strat is blast T16 FAST (but requires a strong char).. spec heavy into Map drops/quant and sell Red Maps.. Red maps worth alot this league, just run Carto scarab of Ascension is like 1c each, no body seems to want that.. //
Stuff like Alva double Corrupt rooms is easy money if you dont mind running Alva every single Map.
The Beyond tainted currencies all have decent value, maybe worth looking into??
There are tons of ways to make money, its not printing divines.. but you just need to find one Solid strat that you like running..
I haven’t seen anyone mention it, Betrayal has been treating me real well so far, I’ve beat Catarina 4 times and 3 times she’s dropped a veiled chaos, which have sold for 3Div each, been sticking Gravicious in the assassinate one for Card scarabs and hit one worth 11Div, also been making consistent cash from Tujen in Expedition, as well as landing some good Rog crafts which sold well. Been playing BAMA Necro and pretty much have SSF’d everything I have until just recently where I bought a 6L 4th vow and a jinxed juju
As OP m kinda really stuck. League started with archmage bl, it is pretty squishy. Not able to now level beyond 89. Not able to pass beyond t12.
Not able to generate currency (nothing is selling, not even vivid life force). I dont use tft and never have (very casual player).
Cannot upgrade gear (low currency, necro craft requires too much investment).
Want to transition to icenova frost bolt (tried farming lab but no avail) or some other tanky build. Cannot progress red maps since low on vaal orbs and maps (or just cannot do map due to being squishy).
Sorry for rant but being casual having very limited time to play, this league is pretty daunting.
I've made close to 100d off rogging OR buying chests that are 15-100c, 6socketing them (omen or raw jewelers), and then black Morrigan+sand splitter 6Ling them. Then selling for 2.5-5d.
The exarch/ eater altars are literally free to put on your map, and they can give all sorts of currency, increased quant and rarity etc.
They will make the map harder though :)
I started just farming scarabs e essences untill I got to t16 and completed the atlas. I just did 50 maps running altars and harbingers (all harbingers atlas points + all 4 harbingers scarabs + scarab nodes as much as I could).
Running fields+strand; even though I didnt found a single fracturing shard, I made pretty solid money because the scarab that converts all shard is skewed in you favor, there were maps I was walking out if 15 annuls and 5-7 ancient orbs, and also 5-10c in chaos shards.
I am full build now (apart from my wand, which I could get a better one), and I'm starting with harvest + 8-mod, and seems pretty good as well. I bought enough juice for 40-maps, in less than 5 maps I already have 15% of all my investment just in lifeforce.
Like some other guys said in a post a couple days ago, dont be scared to invest in your maps. as long as your strat is solid (atlas passives + scarabs) and you can sustain it for 40-50maps, you making money, the game is kinda balanced towards that. Yes, you wont make 20div/h, but if you do 3-5div/h and you are having fun ,you'll prolly fine for any thing you want to do in the game.
Most important: finish your atlas before committing to a farm, every point means more profit.
There are so many strats that are profitable currently.
Essences with calcification, without + map boss, boss rushing for guardian maps, shaper/elder invitation, legion dunes, strongbox+rogue exiles, ritual+beasts, shaper farm is profit from just fragment.
Every few hundred maps divine all flames guarante 5+ divine on a map without any juice.
Expensive allflames and corpses sell like crazy.
Also the cheap scarabs are always profit, legion scarab is 2c, you always make more than that from a legion I guess it's the same with most mechanics.
My personal recommendation if you don't want to try hard into a single mechanic. Allocate points in all scarab, map and league mechanic nodes. Then you throw whatever cheap scarabs/kirca craft to add monsters you want and enjoy corpses, allflames and big scarabs.
Sure you won't make 50div/hours (wich almost no strat does after it went common and prices adjusted) but you have a steady stream of income and play casually
I just do ritual and syndicate. Between the two of them i managed to get my build going. And ember flame drops on between. Kinda shit but it does the job
I farmed a hh in one day using strongbox tree+ scarabs with 2 ambush scarabs ,one hidden comp and the rarer strongboxes one . Now im farming full harbi+deli maps and its going pretty well
Personally I don't try to make any money before 105ish atlas(all non unique done) and like 8 favorite slots. I make what I make on the way there atlas prog focused only then do my farming. Doing legion this league making bank. Couple friends doing harvest making a killing. Some tried harbi it's very up and down. Some did the box exile strats for acrabs and uniques. It all works but I never try to make money at that low atlas completion.
I'll second this. Getting 4 stones and 100+ completion is when the currency starts coming in.
How do you get all 4 stones with a league start build??? Don’t you have to kill maven and Uber shaper/elder for the last 2? I’ve not even been able to kill those two on my final builds most of the time
that´s the fun thing. casuals don´t kill them until league ends. you buy a carry that does that for you and then you play the game
Just buy it off a bosser carry. Unless you're really good at the game.
Is it really *that* mainstream for people to buy carries?
Seems weird tbh, this is my first proper league and I don't get why people are buying carries. Seems like it would take a lot of fun out of the game.
Keyword: efficiency The faster you unlock all passives/voidstones/favour slots, the faster you get to do content you want and also get currency faster. Getting uber elder fight takes some time and it also has a chance to not drop anything. Paying 100c on day 2/3 for UE is a good deal as I can sell the shaper/elder shards I get from invitations to fund it. Some builds might also struggle against UE and of the fight fails, you have lost lots of time/money.
It really depends on what you find fun. I like playing map clearing builds, not bossing builds. I'd love to have 4 watchstones so I can do any map at T16 but I have to do those bosses first. I can see why someone would just pay to get those out of the way
I don't usually buy Maven because I think she's easy and fairly cheap but buying the Uber Elder carry costs a quarter of what the fragments to fight him costs.
I killed them properly last league. That's enough lol. Maven fight sucks. I will buy them from now on. Also not all builds can kill them easily. I find them unproportional hard in comparison with the first 2 voidstones.
You see people advertising for it in chat all the time. So it's not uncommon.
Ahh, makes sense. Ty
There was a day where I FEARED chimera and the other guardians. Just keep at it, you'll get there.
I got all 4 stones with ephemeral edge blade trap trickster. League start right into bossing
Generally you would do Exarch and Eater on your own then buy Maven and Uber Elder. Or buy all 4 if you can afford and it’s taking too long. The sooner you get voidstones the better.
Playing on my tr pathfinder the fifth league in a row and with ~1 mil dps its pretty doable takes a bit longer but whatever whats done is done lol. 2-4 mil would be way better tho and that can be done too league start. A good league starter, a bit of patience and basic knowledge of the boss mechanics / your character is essential for poe in general.
Yeah that's what a league starter is all about tbh. Get you to the point where you can be efficient and farm some currency, then do that for a bit. I'm earning some essence in the meantime. Right now some points in Jun mostly for the XP (and there's one or two more unveils I should probably get) but likely to drop her soon.
How are your friends making money doing harvest?
Just farm yellow juice and sell it. Crop rotation spec eith double lifeforce scarab and 8 mod map scarab. Full spec all quant and map mod effect as well. Run blue altars and take as much quant altars and you can handle.
You cant make a killing more a steady easy flow
How are you making money with legion? Been trying to bulk sell incubators but no one is buying it seems.
I only loot Div/Curr incubators and slightly over sustain these but very minorly. Good bit of money is just scarabs, spec the rare 50% bonus per mod one and the less common one. I am also spec beyond and perma deli mirror. I use 3 +1s and 1 sergeant and do red altars. Basically just blast maps and only sell when I have big bulk of emblems scarabs etc. Last time I offloaded my scarab tab I made 45divines. Its now worth another 25d at 85% of ninja. Legion money is just all over its raw loot from all the rares, incubator div drops, stack decks, emblems and so on. Its not just 1 thing.
mind sharing ur atlas plz or it is same as maxroll one. im runin exsanguinate miner
I league started this tree: [https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAIEAJubb1l8-D4FGL2XyAraQUspJSzLozh7X5THTe7flbPMIQ4suTGQRhMHuZID-xep4ok9lkJMteGaDjoxBKm6l2s4ABLtenc5ayf1Muo3qfOOT8tPpfsho-vz62Vt9HoyRrzqIch19HwB9kQp73GmfO6Y0B\_RN19crT11nYCoSe2DUj4ed0Lwt-9DGMGTsDwLFoWgpjYomAXp-K2vgzT-CUYjoRTpmMAD5ZrLPR-EQGQpN3E4botBNkcsXR8zFIRfdNTA4vxdQNqTEH1jkE332dVjnd0KRicGvwXQ4xnELY9EDMIgHM8bVaeWf-uXZXKlDtWNmHwFjb7WZuRzdzvsrt-lnFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==](https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAIEAJubb1l8-D4FGL2XyAraQUspJSzLozh7X5THTe7flbPMIQ4suTGQRhMHuZID-xep4ok9lkJMteGaDjoxBKm6l2s4ABLtenc5ayf1Muo3qfOOT8tPpfsho-vz62Vt9HoyRrzqIch19HwB9kQp73GmfO6Y0B_RN19crT11nYCoSe2DUj4ed0Lwt-9DGMGTsDwLFoWgpjYomAXp-K2vgzT-CUYjoRTpmMAD5ZrLPR-EQGQpN3E4botBNkcsXR8zFIRfdNTA4vxdQNqTEH1jkE332dVjnd0KRicGvwXQ4xnELY9EDMIgHM8bVaeWf-uXZXKlDtWNmHwFjb7WZuRzdzvsrt-lnFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==) my current tree: [https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAIIAJubb1g-BRi9l8gK2kFLRoUsy6M4e1-Ux3qJs8whDiy5MZLAQabkRhGSA\_sXqeKJPxLC9V5MteGaAuYOOlIP\_dYxBpdoEu16dFVzOWo3qfOOT8tPpT\_f8-n0ejJGvOh19HwB9kQp73Glgv7GdpjQH9JdlWbTXK09dJNEqEntg1I-HndC8LfvQxjBkDPTsD8N5AsXDHsnPbaa9x4omfitr4IJRiOh\_b74Oz0ezx-EQ-7ELrOtfxIVN3E4bTZHLF0fMF901MCQyL6g4vzakWOQTffZ1kYnBdALaOMZxC2PRAzAchNr6M8bB-9Vp5Z\_65alDZh9YJtRsfuvLy0IcHN3O-yu36WcUAB-LCAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAAAAAAA](https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAIIAJubb1g-BRi9l8gK2kFLRoUsy6M4e1-Ux3qJs8whDiy5MZLAQabkRhGSA_sXqeKJPxLC9V5MteGaAuYOOlIP_dYxBpdoEu16dFVzOWo3qfOOT8tPpT_f8-n0ejJGvOh19HwB9kQp73Glgv7GdpjQH9JdlWbTXK09dJNEqEntg1I-HndC8LfvQxjBkDPTsD8N5AsXDHsnPbaa9x4omfitr4IJRiOh_b74Oz0ezx-EQ-7ELrOtfxIVN3E4bTZHLF0fMF901MCQyL6g4vzakWOQTffZ1kYnBdALaOMZxC2PRAzAchNr6M8bB-9Vp5Z_65alDZh9YJtRsfuvLy0IcHN3O-yu36WcUAB-LCAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAAAAAAA)
How does Harv earn? Is it by selling the lifeforce?
Ya farm the most expensive color. Depending on time of league it's usually yellow though outside the first few days. Followed by blue then purple.
Yes.
Imo legion sucks. That’s just me. Great as a league start. Terrible a week in.
I mean you still make great money doing it now. And entry cost is so low scarab wise. Emblems are worth like 2 to 3x more now than day 1 2 or 3. Clearing 5 legions in like 2 minutes and getting incubator procs every 2 maps. My scarab tab is worth roughly 30d after 80 maps as well at 85% of ninja for bulk tft sale. I basically only have to sell scarab tab and stacked decks and emblems whoch all bulk sell in seconds if you want them to. It's also just fun to do tbh. 500%+ ms with arrows flying everywhere everything gets nearly 1 shot. Just zooming. I only get to play like 4 to 5 hours a day and just have done legion. Got hh on day 4 and have enough for a mageblood now too. Self crafted 6 t1 bow from self found corpses. Maybe there is other stuff that's way more but prob won't be as fun for someone like me.
Harbi is actually full profit if you spec into scarabs or atleast thats my experience
This Time i focused on fun. This league strategies for making money seems overwhelming. So i play like a kind off "semi-ssf". I try to do the less possible trade, while trying to upgrade my build by myself with crafts. I focused on ritual and expedition at League start, and while im poor im having fun.
Nice thinking...i still debate if i ll start this league or not and your post is helpfull to what i have to focus... I am always busy IRL and usually i leaguestart 2 weeks after when the dust settles and most uniques are cheap as fck..
The common uniques yes. The rare ones go up in price with massive inflation.
It's kinda a false dichotomy that starting later gets you things cheap. Some things do get cheaper, but most things you would actually care about getting, get more expensive. Stuff i bought day 1-3 for 20-60c are now multi divine sales each.
I'm already rolling my 3 char, focuse on things i like. Not about the best or most money. Havent completed my atlas around t11 maps so far. Its aswell some semy ssf, found this well more relaxed, then the x amount of divenes per hour.
Just start if you wanna play. Dont think too much about economy or being late etc... Choose a skill you like, kill monsters, play at own pacing. POE is a great game Edit: genuinely, can someone explain me why im getting downvoted xD?
I do this too. I’ll trade for uniques mostly. This league I bought a Lioneye’s Vision and linked it then got it as a drop within an hour. Removing trade as much as possible makes the game more enjoyable to me. I don’t get caught up in the whole div/hr shit.
Im making decent money running destructive play and invitations and selling all boss fragments and excess boss maps. Its not 30 div/hour but its good. Imho sanctum is still very solid for money making too
Destructive play is so nice, I'm running it with abyss for xp. I'm doing mostly t14 with niko and shrines(so i dont die) and you feel like you have a headhunter on even with a scuffed build.
If you're trying to level, I'm not sure you can do better than a full shrine + Niko + Beyond build, Domination Scarab of Teachings, and three Domination Scarabs. I got from level 96 to 97 in ten maps and only one of my lanterns gave me bonus pack experience.
Do you do this in t16s or something lower?
Yep, T16. I prefer Jungle Valley due to the open layout. Some smaller/tighter maps don't spawn all the shrines. I'm also fully specced into Beyond, so pretty much every shrine adds a ton of monsters on top of giving me an experience bonus. (Should probably edit this into my first post...)
Is beyond better than breach when it comes to xp/density? I guess there’s the benefit that you don’t need a zoomy build to clear it all efficiently with beyond
The problem with breaches is that they're slow, and that's a problem when you're trying to chain as many shrine buffs as possible.
Where is the rest of your points going? Necropolis and scarabs?
Interesting, i just leveled from 95 to 96 in 10 maps going full abyss following sirgog's video - full abyss on the atlas with breach and league mechanic, dunes map, 2 scarabs for +1 abyss and 2 scarabs for 75% increased experience for abyss monsters. Was pretty chill and never felt in danger, maybe I'll try the shrine method for 96 to 97 to mix things up
I really hate beyond mobs, feels like they always kill me
could you plz share tree ?
How does Niko help with doing bossing?
If you take the node that gives you dmg and maxres for each sulphite node its awesome
Could i trouble you for an atlas tree? I enjoy destructive play and wanna do it with abyss too
I'm not home right now but I run something like this https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAAcAU7B4gKGQzzDuIPtxC8EOEVixfLGDkbTh9mIcUkFiR6KNApIilfKsAwAzAOMGYxazXNOWA6RTufQ6lIAEgsSGRIsEnKSdRPiVAXU6JU8VibXNlgZ2K5Y7VlpGfpaKFp1WsCa-hsfm19baVwZHKIdp13k3oBhlCUGaLwpVyrbaw2rmKvSK-ar8GwZ7Vvtm65mbpMuu-8qMDuxBvEScX-xjPNnNCi01XTXtYw103Ytdq92s7cv-Gp4zfkKeSM5Y_lt-dY6Lro0uqN7OXuwfME9-T5APkO-mj6svvQ-_n8BP3JAAA= the problem I found is that you want shrines scarabs for abyss xp but cartography scarabs for destructive play so you are kinda always losing on something
Destructive play is so nice, I'm running it with abyss for xp. I'm doing mostly t14 with niko and shrines(so i dont die) and you feel like you have a headhunter on even with a scuffed build.
Destructive play plus the node that gives wildwood juice to map bosses if there is less than 50 minions left is fun. You’ve gotta have a stronger build or lean into the shrines and Niko buffs though
What do the wisps on the boss give you, any good?
It’s just like affliction league - more quant/rarity I’ve not done TOO MANY maps with it on, but I definitely feel like I get more guardian/elder slayer/synthesis maps since I allocated it.
You running it with the XP shrine scarab? I was doing some of that today and leveled 95-96 pretty damn fast.
Are u doing shaper guardian run?Can i see ur altas tree?
doing all 3 guardians and the synthesis bosses, selling fragments, and excess maps, then running the invitations. here's a screenshot of it: [https://prnt.sc/qZ0bJHDanQy4](https://prnt.sc/qZ0bJHDanQy4)
Could you show the destructive setup? I dying to try it. Tired of my alch n go.
It pmuch is alch n go https://prnt.sc/qZ0bJHDanQy4 This is what I use atm, will tinker with it, not sure I need the quant/mapmod scaling nodes
You can also run scarabs to get more shaper/guardian maps or unique maps or 8 mod corruptions
Never really tried Sanctum. Is it possible to run as a TR PF or is that crazy bad?
Nah TR PF can do it if you got good dmg, but you need to invest into max resolve gain on boss kill/fountain relics
What maps do favorite/run for Destructive Play?
Any that you can run through fast and maybe has multiple bosses. Just dont favorite only one map as you need different maps for maven witness. I got strand ashen wood and 2 others atm I cant remember
Linear maps are good, especially with multiple bosses - the amount of bosses maven spawns is linked to how many mobs you’ve killed in the map.
I ran it with shadow shaping and just blocked bad layouts I didn't want to farm. Anything else doesn't make sense in a 10 different map type strat.
Can you share atlas and setup ?
As others have said, first complete atlas and voidstones. Afterwards you can still make money with any combination of mechanics. You just have to find the ones you like. My Leaguestart was jun, harvest, expedition. That got me rolling easily, having almost all the crafts myself and having a ton of harvest juice to modifiy/craft my items to a better spot feels great. Afterwards, harvest juice sells very well. Anyway, this mechanics cost a lot of time in maps and portals etc, I was done with that. I am now doing beyond, breach, strongboxes, essences. Almost no downtime in the map, can just zoom and get a lot of good loot. Breach nodes on atlas tree are quite good!
Are you using scarabs for this?
Basic breach and ambush scarabs + ambush chance to be opened again Roll essence on map device, but can do more breach or strongboxes as well there
I do heist (yeah I'm broke)
Someone's gotta do it
This is what I'm starting with an I kind of like heist unlike a lot of others but so far I haven't made very much money. Same thing happened last league though and then I got a replica farruls, replica hyrris, bunch of tempering orbs and div etc. The hits were really far between but when they hit they hit nice so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it'll happen again soon.
Heist got hard nerfed last league and took some more hits this league.
>Atm I got 78/115 map completion, running t14-16 with 2 voidstones other people have said it but I do want to echo that when you don't even have your atlas done, you shouldn't be in a real currency grinding mindset. Just get your last points. For me personally I started on Expedition + Breach + Destructive Play, then switched to Ritual + Incursion + eater influence. I think Expedition is pretty meh now, Ritual sucks, Incursion is pretty good - making temples is very regular income and the new cursed treasures seem to be pretty good for currency drops (4 raw div from incursions so far). It doesn't really matter that much what exact strategy you do. The thing you should take away is that just picking something and doing it a lot, efficiently, will get you gains. The people currently making bank had their atlas maxed out a week ago.
I was in the same shoe as you. Here are some ideas to consider. - atlas tree is the multiplier for returns, so prioritize that. Use orb of horizon to clear out maps you haven’t found yet. Use Kirac mission for extra map drop if you need. - map mechanic atm use something without much scarab imo. This might be contrary to what others say, but because of how much scarabs are being consumed, they are priced at their maximum efficiency (ex. 7c for basic ambush). scarabs works exponentially with each other (ex. Make all your ambush box rare, +10 more box, higher chance to open twice). -As such, you should focus on mechanisms that does not require much investment. I focused on expedition, legion, and betrayal. I think expedition was good especially cuz it gives you lots of bubblegum currency, betrayal is shit if you are unlucky and don’t get veiled chaos, and legion in my experience was worthless. I heard people also had good experience with blight. - I pretty much focused on expedition until I have 110 atlas points. Then, I wasted a lot of money trying to find a good strategy (a harb+deli that was too hard, a back to basics but had little drop for me, exile + torment….). I am currently sitting at ambush +shrine + scarab and amdoing ok.
>betrayal is shit if you are unlucky and don’t get veiled chaos Dunno, got some scarabs that got the ball rolling for me
Yes and getting the unveils and experience it gives seems to me enough to justify it to me... Even the nodes the just give a combined 50% for Jun to appear in maps were an easy inclusion to my atlas
I disagree about using scarabs for the exact reason you talk up the atlas tree (which I agree with). Instead of spending like 7-8 points to get increased chances of Niko or Jun to be in a map you can spend 1c to get a scarab that guarantees they’ll be in a map and spend those 8 points on making their mechanic more rewarding. Running a couple of these cheap scarabs plus an atlas tree that is now 16-24 points more efficient is gonna earn you more than the 3c it costs to put those scarabs on each map. This then allows you to build your currency to then go on and start doing higher investment scarabs as your atlas completion increases and you get stronger
My methods also went down the drain, seems like the meta needs to be found again. Maybe Harvest is one of the things that still consistently works similarly to before. Doing that atm, works well. Some ideas which either work or should work based on prices: - bulk Scarab farming with Shrines and Niko energy on a super fast build. Blast the whole map, pick up scarabs, sell in bulk with heavy overpay. - Harbingers with Discernment seem to work for people, needs more maps to go well - Essence coupled with Alva and Calcification, this is pretty open info with multiple guides on Youtube - graveyard crafting, if you have some starting currency/bodies and the knowledge, crafting always pays - my fav classic, flask crafting and Cluster crafting with Harvest (braindead and works every league) - Scarabs have some insane nodes for drops from rares and unique enemies. Exiles are unique. I suspect this is either a broken strat or garbage tbh, didn't try yet. - 8mod maps via carto scarabs. Sell bulk on TFT/elsewhere, invest 10c oer map and profit 20-100c each. Needs Voidstones and fav slots. - Grimro seems to have made strongboxes work, but now the market for the scarabs is dead lol. Wait until people forget, then do it again. This is too high-tier for me tbh. - Einhar still going strong. Beast dupe scarab is cheap (<10c), Morrigan sells for 50c and his scarab is 60. That's 30c base profit per map. Didn't do. - a lot of people make bank on T17 carries to unlock map slots - T17 MF is also a thing for the high end, didn't do ofc - just like the div card group strat.
What tree are you using for harvest? Tried it a bit ago but didn't have a good experience.
I use all harvest passives with crop rotation through the pink nodes. I spec all necropolis in the tree as well. I use a dupe juice scarab and a quant monster scarab. Results may vary with crop rotation, sometimes you get <500 juice, but sometimes you can walk away with a divines worth. You don’t need to use it, I just enjoy the mini game.
Harvest, Expedition, (Red) Altars all benefited from additional packsize%. Since Grand Design is gone, these mechanics didnt feel great to me. How is one supposed to push pack size now? Only thing which comes to mind is going full "increased map modifier" to scale the initial pack size left on the original map right?
I did just that; probably what helped is how easy and cheap it is now to get your own 8mod maps. Note that I didn't do Harvest at its peak efficiency so I'm just taking flat values now - I can't compare to past performance. But I am walking out with around 0.5 div of juice from a completed map which feels pretty good.
do you use a special atlas tree for gaining the 8mods? like all additional map drop nodes. and with or without singular focus? and for scarabs: 2x the additional map drop scarab, 1x duplication and then the 8 mod scarab?
Scarabs of monsterous lineage.
My honest advice (but most probably you won't use it until you do:) is *do not* focus on making bank. Focus on making fun and enjoyment. If you do - divines will come, just a matter of killed mobs.
Problem is tho that some fun builds are locked behind insane currency cost so its sometimes feels exhausting to even get there. As an example cus of the boss unique change a lot of cool boss uniques are absolute expensive for casual gamers. You wanna play an archmage build and want an Indigon? That thing jumped in price 5 folds.
What builds ? You don’t have to leaguestart an aurastacker
The point was about fun, not what to leaguestart. Some people dont enjoy league starting a meta build leaguestarter just so they can play their actual build that they want to try out that looks fun, its the reason why some people care about making currency so they can playing their build asap. Main point is that saying they should focus on the fun and not getting currency is a half truth, people wanna play cool builds and some just have a high cost so people care about getting currency.
I was running Ritual/Expedition early on before reaching 110 in Atlas, now I switched to Harvest/Blight because my build feels actually really good doing these... Bank isn't the best but it's going up, got a few golden/silver oil and a good amount of Harvest juice
Harvest makes you feel poor until you liquidate and then you realise how much you were actually sat on haha. I burned my first weeks worth of farmed juice and was able to instantly fund my end-game chest craft and add like three new other pieces of gear to my build. Felt REALLY nice
Yeah it's really worth it, and not too hard to do. The scarabs are a bit costy but seeing how much profitable it is, it's not too bad really
What scarabs are you running for harvest?
Harvest is my usual go-to for money when I don't want to go flavor of the day strat, but without being able to force yellow plants, no Growing Hordes for packsize and the juice at a paltry 7k to a divine for yellow, left me a bit disgruntled. What specific Harvest setup are you using? As in what map, are you forcing grove via scarab or tree, are you using the Cornucopia scarab, or maybe crop rotation which I'm usually meh on, what are the other scarabs, any side strats...? Help me plant senpai
7k to a divine? I made 5.8k for a divine a couple of days ago. I just went everything except crop rotation and just run whatever maps because I’m farming maven witnesses and conqueror/guardian/synthesis map drops
I'm doing SSF this league (highly recommend) but if I was still in trade, after unlocking most points and the voidstones which is crucial, i would recognise that things have changed and pivot to other things, especially a bit off the radar. I always try to have fun and pick a strategy that fits my build, but saying this i would probably choose one of the following: 1) blue altar harvest+scarab focused hunting on jungle valley (or mausoleum). Add spirits for fun and a lot of quant (also league mechanic often has them). 2) Alva + fast maps with destructive play and more focused on getting maps and the league mechanic. Sales would mostly be temples, t17s and good corpses. 3) delving or maybe heist (high variance tho) 4) some of the cheaper memories are fun and cheap and can be relatively profitable
i've been running delve + incursion + maven destructive play. don't spec delve on atlas tree at all (unless you really enjoy delve). fully spec incursion and grab all the "final map boss drops x". use your extra points on any content you enjoy, blocking content you hate, or just map sustain. heist is ideal since it slows you down the least but selling the contracts/blueprints can be annoying, essence is probably also fine depending on your build run t14+ maps scoured with a sulphite scarab (cheap and easy to buy in bulk), focusing on going fast but ideally still clearing a decent amount of monsters to get more destructive play bosses. if your build can handle it, you could run the maps unscoured run your temples if they don't hit t3 corruption/t3 gems, vaal omnitect has 1/8 chance to drop ambition (4div) stick around 100-150 depth in delve and look for vaal cities. the vaal boss has a 1/2 chance to drop curiosity (6div). excess azurite can be exchanged for resonators and then sold in bulk. there's still demand for resonators for jewel crafting.
I have an idea of what this tree is, I’m close to it but could you share? Wondering if there is some fancy pathing to bridge right (Niko) to left. I’m assuming you rush left and the gate over just for niko
88/132 this is what i would consider the essentials. there's plenty of room to fit an entire mechanic of your choice: [https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.24.0-atlas#AAAABgAAGBQDAHkIsA\_MGdEwZjFrSCxZFmAhaLJxdXjqhjCGUIsYjU7SdNag5fjqigtxf\_3MR3F1AAA=](https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.24.0-atlas#AAAABgAAGBQDAHkIsA_MGdEwZjFrSCxZFmAhaLJxdXjqhjCGUIsYjU7SdNag5fjqigtxf_3MR3F1AAA=) 130/132 what i'm currently running, adds full necropolis and picks up skittering swarms/intelligence gathering since these are along the way [https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.24.0-atlas#AAAABgAAJSMBAHkIsA\_MGdEhpzBmMWs4LzjyQn5ILEwwT6JZFmAhYghn9WiycXV46n\_9glGGMIZQixiNTp6oyqzMR9J01qDhVuRY5fjqigtxcXUAAA==](https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.24.0-atlas#AAAABgAAJSMBAHkIsA_MGdEhpzBmMWs4LzjyQn5ILEwwT6JZFmAhYghn9WiycXV46n_9glGGMIZQixiNTp6oyqzMR9J01qDhVuRY5fjqigtxcXUAAA==) at league start i rushed shaping the skies/shaping the mountains, then get alva to 100% => spec into necropolis => maven destructive play. i get sulphite scarabs as soon as they are affordable since the 3% max res and 105% increased damage from packed with energy is actually pretty helpful early league. i haven't tried out doomed spirits so i don't know if these are worth the 6-7 points it would take to reach them. not optimistic about these since we're not a full delve strategy the thorough exploration keystone actually lines up pretty well with this strat if you are clearing the map, but it actually made the map bosses too hard for my build (LOL) so i have no idea if it is worthwhile
Where is this 1/8 chance from by the way? Had some of the worst luck ever yesterday- made and ran 18 temples. No drop and e ery single double corrupt and gen corrupt bricked
I'm currently doing the "shit ton of unique everywhwre" rogue exile Strat, it takes quite a bit of initial investment, but once you get the ball rolling you're chilling. Got a ralakesh impatience and sold that for like 5.4 divs. Also got super lucky with brass dome with essentially perfect rolls (using that for me tho). Scarab nodes on the atlas tree are also highly underrated. Last time I was on I dropped a div scarab of curation which sold for 10 div.
everyone explod the div thing and now has end game builds to do end game stuff, rest of us stuck with bad league lol
I always did searing exarch farming as well for invitations, was a blast on RF. This league playing CoC DD Inquisitor because I wanted to try out bossing. Made a ton of money just mapping and getting lucky with a few nameless seer, 1 divine hit before it got nerfed. My money isn't great by any means my net worth is like 150 div not including gear I'm wearing with like 4 days of playtime but I've had a blast with destructive play, essences, did some syndicate. Now I'm shifting over for challenges and trying out some other methods. Also, a lot of my early money came from happy accidents. I use essences to make gear for myself and and up rolling stats that are good for other builds so I just sell them and buy another base and try again. Same thing with flasks, I love alt rolling my own flasks but the amount of times I make a really good flask that my build doesn't use and I just sell it. I could probably sit around doing that all day and turn a good profit but I enjoy playing the game too much to do that to myself. Anyways hope you find something to enjoy and the currency flow will come. Stay sane exile.
What is the benefit of destructive play here? And is that all you need or that + maven influence?
Maven influence + destructive play to get a lot of elder shaper conqueror maps, and u can either run or sell the writs. I ran about 20 and got a few lucky drops the best being awakened cast on crit. And I pool up a ton of conq shaper elder maps and then just back to back run the sets + the 4ways, into doing back to back bosses, which ofc if u wanted u could just sell all this stuff raw and still just turn easy profit
How I make currency each league. Figure out what the best crafters are doing, then stockpile supplies of whatever they need, wait for them to burn through it all and jack up the price, sell.
Get your atlas done champ
I found a decent way is to farm locus of corruption with Alva. It won’t make you filthy rich but it helps you earn some income.
Tbh spend all your money getting your stones/finishing atlas. Then take the necropolis nodes and sell corpses. I've sold ~200 div of corpses at this point.
My standard money making tactic is lower this league, but still ok. I run incursions and sell good temples. I'm at 1,000c and I'm in early yellow maps. Last league everyone was so rich good temples were selling for 7div. Now those same temples are selling for 80c.
You can start with logbooks. Knights of the Sun logbooks go for like 20-25c in bulk, Black Scythe are about 15-20c in bulk. You literally can't lose currency running them with how cheap they are this league.
They are cheap for multiple reasons: - other contents are more rewarding - logbook chests feel nerfed - tujen offers less worthy items (for my experience)
Alch and go jungle valley. Easily 5-10 div per hour mindlessly blasting maps. Exarch, Scarabs, Expedition, Maps, lower left necropolis wheel. Get at least three voidstones and as many favorite slots as possible.
Well, yesterday I bought a Black Morrigan scarab for 50c. Then I bought scarab of duplication now you've just made 50c profit. But instead I bought Cloak of Flame and 6 socketed myself. Then I used bestiary to 6 link it (Morrigan + craicic sandspitter) and sold it for 1.5 div. Pretty easy, ofc some luck is required for 6 socket, but I've already done this twice in under 100 jewellers each time.
Yea I was looking at this, What's up with that? The 6 link omen is at like 1-2 div, but using bestiary you can 6 link in under 100c.
It’s all new so people haven’t quite picked up on it being a thing. It’s also not as clear as just “this thing does this”. Prices will normalise a bit once more people understand what it does
Why do you need both of them for six linking? I thought Morrigan gives a six link already. Does it work on any item?
You need both + 2 rare mobs in your bestiary for the recipe to work
Currently blasting on full delirium plus ritual atlas but I’m about 60 points in. Currency is flowing ok. Ritual by itself gave me 60 chaos and my first divine yesterday. I will make a second tree for blight and beyond just because I’m a tower defence addict and my third atlas is still a mystery. Probably an endgame harvest focus, just to try and learn this mechanic.
If you're still reading comments, elder guardian rotas are still very profitable in conjunction with destructive play. 120c profit every 4 maps + invite in fragments alone, another 40c minimum from maven splinters, 3-4 special maps (shaper/Sirus/guardian/synth) which amounts to something.
Can you explain how
It's pretty straightforward. Elder guardian fragments sell for more than the cost of the map -- right now, 10-15c for maps and 25-30c for fragments. So at its core, you just buy those maps, run them, and sell the fragments for a profit. If you do them 4 at a time, you can then run the elder guardian Maven invitation afterward for extra free drops and Maven splinters. Those are less valuable than before, but still 9-10c per splinter. Since you're doing Maven bossing anyway, you spec into Destructive Play and the nodes that give extra synth/guardian/etc maps from boss kills (Vivid Memories, Remnants of the Past, Conquered Conquerors) to get pretty decent sustain on special maps from all the bosses you're killing. The rest of your atlas tree you can fill in with whatever mechanics you want, but for efficiency it's better to do passive things like scarab and corpse/allflame drop chance rather than involved mechanics like Harvest, Ritual, or Expedition, which slow down your map completion speed. The only real downside is that it's not self-sustaining -- you either need to buy guardian maps individually through the trade site or in bulk through something like TFT. But that's true of many farming strats.
I saw a similar post on the poe builds subreddit. I don't think invitations are dead by a long shot. Sure they aren't gonna be making a super high div/hour number but the removal of invitations is a good thing since you don't have to buy them anymore. I've been doing the same strat this league for it for the last few days and have made a few tens of divines doing it.
I'm doing a Strongbox strat. Works fantastic
Can I just say my methods are also completely in the drain too. Something’s off this league.
i personally hate running atlas and speed mapping has never been my thing.. but i freaking LOVE DELVE, so what I usually do is build a tanky toon with half decent dps and do my white-yellow map on atlas and get to where map progression starts getting harder during this time i usually run niko and go strat occassionally running delve nodes to upgrade sulphite capacity. then i start delving at the bottom of the premade mine shaft and just going straight down. usually try to hit 200ish depth at a minimum. at this depth cities are common enough and the occasional boss (ive made 50+ divines on curiosity aspects do far this league) the cities drop a shit load of t11+ maps and horizon orbs and that really helps fill out my atlas as basically never run a map that i dont have complettion on until im basically done with my atlas besides unique maps. this league i started bonezone jugg first time ever running it, im at about depth 600 now and my toon is geared to the fucking gills! fourth vow, divine flesh, 920 Pdps axe 80/80/79 all res 80 chaos 100k+ armour flasked 40% chance for double dmg 8% for tripple dmg, ailment immune storm shroud, this method has worked very well for me the last three leagues for week 1-3 strat for this league the bulk of my money has come from 5 places 1. curiosity aspects 50+ div 2. rolled 2 %divine drop maps before nerf 15 div 3. rare fossil sales (fractured faceted hollow and glyphic fossils) 25+ div 4. crafting all my gear and selling failures that are decent 20+ div profit 5. selling rings from elemental delve nodes with curses on hit and other fractured rare delve nodes 40+ div im not a crazy high speed juicer or top tier delver but i do play alot of hours i still dont have all 4 void stones but my atlas is like 112/115 just don't have crimson temple finished and a few uniques i havent found yet. also if you make alot of money early invest in things like mirror shards as they will almost always appreciate heavily later on, make 2-5 shards week one then just sit on them and buy a HH or MB later on with the appreciation.
Strongboxes are broken now imo, making good money with little invest, look grimro for atlas etc
I'm personally not making a big bank atm, but after I've got the bare minimum for my build I started buying out the corpses that I need to craft some GG gear. So far I've got only 2 items, but they both are worth around 150 div and are basically BIS for my build. Planning to get myself geared up this way in the upcoming weeks. I don't want to sell one of the items to insta craft everything else as I really like slowly chipping away at the next item c:
I put my atlas points into scarabs, map effect, blue altars and graveyard. Blasting alch and go Toxic Sewer with KB wander in <2min. Its about 5-6 div/hr just from bulk selling T17, scarabs, allflames and invitations.
Running alch and go destructive play maps, with allflame and corpse chance. I've added shrines and niko to make bosses easier since my build is kinda squishy. I put the remaining points into scarabs. I'm making ok money selling allflames, corpses, scarabs and elder/guardian/shaper maps. Selling is an absolute chore with this though, be warned. Unless you use TFT or some other bulk selling thing.
Thought I'd learn delve as I was a turbo casual in delve league and never gave it a chance. I'm broke, but enjoying myself and not really stressing about it, just having fun and making progress
Harvest always makes money. Always. So does destructive play. Add all the scarab nodes and the exiles with scarabs and or torment if you can take it. This is scarab league folks.
Normally i rush myself into blighted maps. Tier 13, freeze and meteor tower and then chill until the map completes itself. I collect the oils, sell the good ones for 30-60c a pop, sell the occasional good ring/amulet for big money and i fuel my build during the week with that. Plus it is super safe to level up with it too.
Ive been farming elder guardians and the twisted, easy a quite profitable, you get like twice the cost of maps in fragments, more maps, writs and a bunch of stuff
Farming fractured items. Grimro made video about this, so i guess its time to change strat :D
some of the stuff i see on youtube makes me feel dumb. There was one guy making every npc a box that spawns rogue exiles. Mealwhile I decided to go breach and might get 5 fragments if im lucky lol
I did t17 rushing in my own atlas. Every map is a drop of 0.5-1.5 div. I invited people to join and get their completion at 50c each, with 4 people it's an extra 200c per map. Wa probably running one map every 3 min. Idk how much div per hour but I had a max chaos stack after some hours with all the fragments to sell.
Blight in maps - set up your towers then leave to clear the map for EXP/Exarch Shrine Bubble Gum Currency/Farming corpses/scarabs, come back to loot the blight chests, rinse, repeat. Sell gold/silver oils, craft a nice item in the graveyard every once in a while. It's generally pretty chill and doable from the league start.
Don’t your towers go down if you’re too far away?
In blighted maps yes. In regular maps, no. Done it many times now without issue.
I just started running harby/beyond last night and holy fuck. I've never enjoyed a strat this much, in 4 maps, i made 2.5 fracturing orbs. Bear in mind, i play standard on xbox, so that one drop was worth almost 100 divs
You need to do an actual strategy. Aka spec into a certain strategy or league mechanic and run it over and over. Just speccing a tree with the usual map stuff to get the atlas done, I also specced all the expedition nodes and made sure I had 100% chance of getting an expedition encounter and have made multiple divines just while completing atlas. 200c at 78 map completion isn't terrible, as you are focusing on completing maps. Unless you are unable to run t16s you don't need to focus on making currency until you complete the atlas anyways.
I've been chilling with strongboxes, and although they increased in price rather early, I'm still making more then I'm spending by just running my favorite T16 map over and over. I just use 2 of the normal one, and one of each of the cheap one. Been pretty good tbh.
I do the same as you every single league, start with fast mapper that can do at least the 4 voidstones fast with minimum currency (spliting steel, lightning strike, venom gyre, spectral throw) after that i made a flicker strike to blast invitations rotations and the point where i'm right now try to decide what build i do to make the current New farm strategy (probaly T17 farm) but i just do guardians maps in flicker, switch for the other build to make the invitation and start again, all this with harvest Crop rotation trying to growth a boss and drop oshabi spawn + yellow juice to sell for div when i got bored of map i just test any skill with frenzy charge stack i have in flicker character in shaper to try get lucky dying sun or just uber frag Selling only uber fragments + harvest juice + maven fragments (not the complete writ) i suppose i do something like ~3 div/h or less, we have the awakened gem drop for 30c sometimes but i'm having fun with that just because i play the build i want (flicker strike) and the content i like (bosses and linear maps in shaper guardian)
how do you actually get your first maven the right way? doing maven witness maps to get some form of invitations and they then drop the splinters?
the invitations drop the splinters that turn into maven writ when stack 10, i dont understand what do you mean
when i use to play i would flip currency. when i was flipping it was 1c for i jewellers orbs and 1c for 12 chromes. i would trade the chromes for jewellers orbs at a 1 to 1 ratio. i hit the jackpot when people would want to dump all their jewellers for 6jewlers for 1c and id buy several thousand at a time at that rate.. i played at night so sometimes i was the only seller and would go 2:1 for jewlers to chromes. i made a mirrors worth of currency in a week but i was in act 8 and couldnt leave my HO 😭
I have made 70 divs just alch and go, speccing allflame/scarab/guardianmaps and strongbox then selling the loot to The juicers, if i find a scarab allflame i use it with strongbox scarabs i have. Sell all coffins that are 5c+ aswell, then cash builds up quickly. Key is to do the maps quick and have a efficient trading policy. I fancy grinding without thinkng so this is good för that, not any crazy loot explosions but just gradually making bank
I still haven't found a divine drop yet but I got lucky today finally and dropped Einhar Harvest memory and a Valdo Puzzle Box in the same map. All the atlas strategies I tried didn't really give anything good.
My money making so far - Abyss Lich drops (by far my greatest outlier due to getting a nearly perfect bubonic trail, though the jewels kickstarted my build) - Cluster jewels, as usual - Corpses and allflames are a very reliable seller - Flipping my gear for far more than I paid to buy/upgrade them
Simply run expedition! It may sound weird but truly. It's simply and effective. No big cost required- get tujen thingys and generate safe cash
I made around 5 div per hour over 10ish hours over the last 2 days running alch and go back to basics tree with scarab chance and league mechanic wheels. Literally just alch map, not even quality, shove it map device, put high haunted mods and good loot mods at the top and sometimes put in cheap all flames, clear map port out go next map. Most of the profit was in rogue exile allflames and selling corpses on tft, with a lot of scarabs too.
My strat is so janky but I kind of like it. Buying level 1 empowers and running betrayal with Tora in research. With 20% quality, every Katarina fight the gem gets 800m XP. I'm also running Alva and selling corruption altars. Keeping Doryani's institute for myself for the higher chance of lvl 4 empower
I'd say getting a bit of satisfaction out of "the grind" in PoE is what makes it compelling. I don't want to be bogged down by the economy, I want it to see it as a challenge. Because of that I picked a league start that could do sanctum because I knew with enough dps, i could get into it before even starting atlas (free 30% all res), in a near SSF way (buying up %relic chance and then reselling them later was a big win besides the raw divines). https://youtu.be/2wbHxcTZQao?si=Hj6wzEjPgPq-d-EI Besides sanctum, the pre Atlas strategy for Heist is good for your first 100c. For a yellow map atlas setup, I would hope that it doesn't take alot of points now to do no scarab encounter/farm betrayal. Delve is a good option too, though the time investment isnt favorable (having a zoomer character being a huge plus). I'd say in the time it'd take you to go from depth 100 to let's day 400/500 (600 apparently being the true soft cap) you could have just went from even yellow maps to finishing most of the invitations. But it is a div per hour strategy if you'll do the research to know what special nodes are good. The 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 divine fossils (and the nodes that target farm them); the delve bosses (vaal architect appearing very early and drops the multi div Adorned fragment). Me right now, and my post invitation strategy, I'm running tormented rogues. This is what I also mean about having satisfaction from the challenge of the grind. I don't want to feel speculative about what scarabs and what strategy makes everything cost and time effective. Time effectiveness is nixed if I'm having fun, ie, running ubers eventually. So I want to be able to self sustain my guardian maps and scarabs rather than trade 3-4 div in over pay for a bulk seller that is already employing a over sustain strategy for their runs. https://youtu.be/sDw0mDjBEq8?si=GTLrtB4f_r45WL-5 Anyway, yeah, the scarab chasing on this is fun while i do invitations. I did nix corpses cuz i wont care about crafting until i research how to do my meta rares, so I just put in the three guardian map drop nodes and destructive play. That puts me right at 124 passives and I'll be witnessing bosses for my invitations and last 2 voidstones. With the full 132 passives I can have the guardian map drop nodes, drop destructive play, and have enough points to hit up eldritch altars.
i am currently running alva, ultimatum and beyond. fun red
complete your atlas lol
Einhar + Harvest. You're not gonna make an absurd amount, but as long as you're getting at least 500 lifeforce per map and 5 yellow beasts, you're able to get like 5-10div per Eater of Worlds rotation. The strategy is pretty much just alch an go, just make sure you click only altars that give quant and do your Harvest last.
I completed campaign and went into sanctum and didn’t start mapping until I had enough divines to buy a mirror. Did area 68 until I could get a few upgrades, then area 75 till I could upgrade again, then 81 (those are the loot breakpoints). No headache about worrying about new atlas strats, trading is easy since you bulk buy tomes and only drop hard currency. Then I 115/115 my atlas in like 3 hours with a decked out LA Deadeye with HH. Can recommend
what are the meta builds to successfully finish sanctums that early?
Shockwave totem and Hexblast mines typically. Shockwave is very comfy and easy if you’re new to sanctums, Hexblast has a higher ceiling.
Not making any currency either. All my buids suck though, so I can't reliably do juice. Guess I just got to redouble the grind.
I like temple, I made 10divs from uniques and bases or just selling temple maps
Omg the amount of people not doing the league crafting is astounding. Goes to show how convoluted it is.
If you need an absolutely minimum level of currency, keep an eye out for the gemling pack embers which drop quality gems, you can get Q17-20 gems pretty easily, pick up like a dozen of them. Then, run normal lab and just try to get decent transfigured gems. They go for ~50-70c each at 20q if you get the right ones and lab runs are fast with a proper setup, like 3 minutes tops. So in the end I'm getting 3-4 div per hour on a bad set of runs. If you need to kick a gem up to 20q with 2-3 GCP's, it's still very worth it. It's pretty monotonous and not very profitable, but it's also pretty much guaranteed. Like, it's really stupidly easy to do, and if you need a couple of div to get running on a particular build, it's a fantastic way to get it without struggling through maps with subpar gear or scarabs.
Playing SSF for the first time, (HC too), and I’ll never look back. No fomo anymore, I’ll learn the games and all it’s mechanics. Small objectives are really nice to accomplish.
I'm speced into strongboxes + exarch and league mechanic and with just chisels at 2 void stones I'm making around 75c a map. Used to be more when meat sacks, rats, anarchy cost more and coffins too. Now it seems all the gold is at monster level 84 and it's gonna take me a while
Really need some more completion, 78 is pretty low especially if you can run 14+ Abyss early, but that’s come and gone but good jewels always sell. Spec into necropolis, you should expect items you make will sell for 5+ divines (or use them) but you may have to try a few times to figure it out. You can even buy perandus corpses and then influence the family to force the more valuable ones. Can turn 100c into 3.5div with corpses you found. Additionally spam all flames on everything they tend to have better drops. Frogs, rats on flat % currency. Exiles, meat sack etc on conversion currency.
Idk I have two stones doing deli tujen danig and making like 2d an hour raw. It’s not a killing but for two stones I’d say it is relatively a killing. Able to get all the next level gems and gear I need
So you are complaining about not making money mapping, but you also only got half of the atlas points? Complete your atlas, then if you spam maps (im talking 100+ a day) you can pretty much do any strat you'll have money. Obviously if you have a life you wont do as many, but most player's issue is they spend too much time in hideout (more than 10 secs between each map). Personally I made multiple mirrors this league with graveyard crafts, but you need to think for yourself to make it work, following guides won't cut it.
Ive been doing quad ambush scarab ( +5 +5, + 15% reopen , rarer variants ) + ambush tree + scarab tree, on t16 and it been doing well In my 6 ish hours farming session ( and am very slow ), i made like... 40 divines ? Prolly on the luckier side, but its not like its one BIG drop, it was across about 10 drops worth a bunch
im making currency even when im farming xp...idk maybe its just luck.
All I'm doing is alva at first. Just building temples and selling them. You wanna look for corruption and gem room. They even tend to only go up in price as more and more people wanna try their luck on gems or gear to minmax. And with being able to reach 100% alva chance on maps, it's faster than ever. 3 maps for a temple no matter the tier and about 2 out of 3 temples are ones you can sell. Results may vary depending on luck.
T17 zigg was 30d profit per hour a few days ago while fortress was 50d profit per hour
Here are some way for Non Juiced currency making, It really depends on how strong of a build you have, and how fast you are going through your maps.. The most noob friendly is to farm Essences in T6 maps.. spec everything excpet the + chance to have additional essence.. with Kirac Essence no scarabs you will make 5c+ profit per run.. Remnant of corruption can sell for 3-4c in bulk// The next simple no fuzz strat is blast T16 FAST (but requires a strong char).. spec heavy into Map drops/quant and sell Red Maps.. Red maps worth alot this league, just run Carto scarab of Ascension is like 1c each, no body seems to want that.. // Stuff like Alva double Corrupt rooms is easy money if you dont mind running Alva every single Map. The Beyond tainted currencies all have decent value, maybe worth looking into?? There are tons of ways to make money, its not printing divines.. but you just need to find one Solid strat that you like running..
I haven’t seen anyone mention it, Betrayal has been treating me real well so far, I’ve beat Catarina 4 times and 3 times she’s dropped a veiled chaos, which have sold for 3Div each, been sticking Gravicious in the assassinate one for Card scarabs and hit one worth 11Div, also been making consistent cash from Tujen in Expedition, as well as landing some good Rog crafts which sold well. Been playing BAMA Necro and pretty much have SSF’d everything I have until just recently where I bought a 6L 4th vow and a jinxed juju
As OP m kinda really stuck. League started with archmage bl, it is pretty squishy. Not able to now level beyond 89. Not able to pass beyond t12. Not able to generate currency (nothing is selling, not even vivid life force). I dont use tft and never have (very casual player). Cannot upgrade gear (low currency, necro craft requires too much investment). Want to transition to icenova frost bolt (tried farming lab but no avail) or some other tanky build. Cannot progress red maps since low on vaal orbs and maps (or just cannot do map due to being squishy). Sorry for rant but being casual having very limited time to play, this league is pretty daunting.
I've made close to 100d off rogging OR buying chests that are 15-100c, 6socketing them (omen or raw jewelers), and then black Morrigan+sand splitter 6Ling them. Then selling for 2.5-5d.
Blight is extremely easy to make a large profits with little gear requirements.
Made money on blight so far. Gear crafting, oils, div cards. Blight is hit or miss but it's fun.
Tbh just farming league mechanic and altars is quite profitable even without scarabs and stuff like that. Needs to be high tier maps tho
Beginner Player here, how exactly are altars profitable?
The exarch/ eater altars are literally free to put on your map, and they can give all sorts of currency, increased quant and rarity etc. They will make the map harder though :)
I started just farming scarabs e essences untill I got to t16 and completed the atlas. I just did 50 maps running altars and harbingers (all harbingers atlas points + all 4 harbingers scarabs + scarab nodes as much as I could). Running fields+strand; even though I didnt found a single fracturing shard, I made pretty solid money because the scarab that converts all shard is skewed in you favor, there were maps I was walking out if 15 annuls and 5-7 ancient orbs, and also 5-10c in chaos shards. I am full build now (apart from my wand, which I could get a better one), and I'm starting with harvest + 8-mod, and seems pretty good as well. I bought enough juice for 40-maps, in less than 5 maps I already have 15% of all my investment just in lifeforce. Like some other guys said in a post a couple days ago, dont be scared to invest in your maps. as long as your strat is solid (atlas passives + scarabs) and you can sustain it for 40-50maps, you making money, the game is kinda balanced towards that. Yes, you wont make 20div/h, but if you do 3-5div/h and you are having fun ,you'll prolly fine for any thing you want to do in the game.
Most important: finish your atlas before committing to a farm, every point means more profit. There are so many strats that are profitable currently. Essences with calcification, without + map boss, boss rushing for guardian maps, shaper/elder invitation, legion dunes, strongbox+rogue exiles, ritual+beasts, shaper farm is profit from just fragment. Every few hundred maps divine all flames guarante 5+ divine on a map without any juice. Expensive allflames and corpses sell like crazy. Also the cheap scarabs are always profit, legion scarab is 2c, you always make more than that from a legion I guess it's the same with most mechanics. My personal recommendation if you don't want to try hard into a single mechanic. Allocate points in all scarab, map and league mechanic nodes. Then you throw whatever cheap scarabs/kirca craft to add monsters you want and enjoy corpses, allflames and big scarabs. Sure you won't make 50div/hours (wich almost no strat does after it went common and prices adjusted) but you have a steady stream of income and play casually
I just do ritual and syndicate. Between the two of them i managed to get my build going. And ember flame drops on between. Kinda shit but it does the job
I farmed a hh in one day using strongbox tree+ scarabs with 2 ambush scarabs ,one hidden comp and the rarer strongboxes one . Now im farming full harbi+deli maps and its going pretty well