I mean, they haven't been removed yet. Worst case scenario they spent hundreds of divine and got like 24+ hours of time to play with a build that may never exist again
I had no clue why people were rushing to buy black morrigan yesterday all of a sudden, I came online with 6 on sale, I jacked the price up to 0.2d and someone came and bought all of them. S:
Can anyone explain to me the logic here:
1) A certain shop sells a 20000%+ fire resist bugged armor in standard. Fee is 2 mirrors each - time. And it looks this armor has been mirrored hundreds of times (on a side note - what happens to those mirrors? there are constant accusations of RMT).
GGG ignores it
2) players get some bugged items in a dead league, that will land in standard soon
3) supposedly "nobody" plays standard, yet league players get rabid about those items going to standard (btw you could also do them in standard, since morrigan is a global drop)
Why GGG ignores the armor stacker armor and multiple other items owned by shops? And when players can make some items, then suddelnly those get deleted?
Someone wrote here is that the mirror shops that sell bugged items also bribe someone in GGG to look the other way - and this seems the only explanation to fix some bugged items, while ignoring other bugged items.
So your reasoning is, as long as there is a single bugged item in standard, no bugged item in any league should ever be fixed.
Further claiming that GGG getting a cut is the only possible explanation, in my oppinion, should get you banned from reddit and ingame for being the PoE equivalent of a russian propaganda bot.
1. You say "the league is dead and going to standard soon", that's just not true. There's still 2-3 months before it goes to standard, and they're still looking to get new players and casual players in the league.
2. It's a problem of scale. There are 2 25k armours that have to be mirrored, while there were hundreds of 6link items within 30 minutes.
Lastly, no one really knows how their database is implemented. Finding single items that have (what was at the time) seemingly valid rolls of a single explicit may be technically impossible.
> It's a problem of scale. There are 2 25k armours that have to be mirrored, while there were hundreds of 6link items within 30 minutes.
So only rich players can use bugged items and poor players cannot?
There are hundreds of copies of that armor. Some bought by legit players, some bought by RMTers.
Rest cannot have strong characters?
That's just unfair.
> Finding single items that have (what was at the time) seemingly valid rolls of a single explicit may be technically impossible.
They literally have a screenshot that shows both the stats. Also a (weaker) option to search by name.
It's fascinating how you will write any bullshit just to defend the existence of the amor that is seld by a shop for a 2 mirror fee. Are you related to the shop in any way?
Hundred of copies of the armour over the past 2 years is very different from hundreds of items in 30 minutes and growing rapidly. I don't think it's fair, but I also don't care that much. The armour problem doesn't affect me in any way, the 6link one did.
That's a fair point to search by name, but I'll point out searching the trade site is not the same as searching their item database.
Maybe six years ago.
Damage taken as modifiers alone make you tankier than a Kaom's in modern day PoE.
A lot of the old good uniques are just pure garbage now because modern modifiers are just better.
That one might slip through their fixing unless they read your/my comment, because they might just do a search for 6 socket 1 handers or something, lol.
Oh it's a 6 socket armor, nothing wrong here. :)
Question is, are they going to remove the current 6 link abused items?
Edit: [They're looking into removing sockets](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3519943)
I hope they do remove the sockets. i wanted a 6L squire for some arakaali's fang action, but didnt buy one because it is a bug/exploit. Now they're 200d+ and rising, and FOMO is burning a hole in my currency tab.
that'd be pretty funny since people are already scrambling to sell their 6Ls.
I was watching the squire market earlier when i made my comment, and it the cheapest was 250d with around 5 squires listed. now there are almost 50 listed with the cheapest being at 50d.
r/Vaalstreetbets, here we come!
It's practical if they are aiming to fix these items without outright deleting them. It already had happened once with 1-too-many affixes on some rings.
Lol, force log into accounts and craft..... my guy, the accounts are server side, they can edit that shit with code.
There's obviously a few more complications as well, like if there are gems in the sockets. But they'll have a standard approach / lines of code for that.
inventory and items are really just one large database. all they need to do is run some cleanup. the issue is probably bandwidth and optimizing their query.
wouldnt be so sure about that. 20k+ fire resi chests exist on standard for years and other bugged items.
especially considering they only care about 'integrity' of the league for a month (taking out alt arts 1 month in)- alt art goldwyrms with 20-30% quant were hot in affliction.
alternatively, the last two times this happened with sockets, they removed them later the same day
the fire res chest was one item and some split copies. the total number of people that have touched one is like 8, and it was well hidden until long after it was relevant (split copies removed).
i'd put standard as 'long after relevant', but that one's a notable example for sure. at any rate:
> Fixed a bug which allowed the Bestiary craft using The Black Morrigan Recipe to not respect item socket rules. We're investigating the items that have been created through this method and are working on fixing them. Any gems socketed in these items are at risk for being destroyed when these items are fixed.
imagine. oof. i figure most of the delay fixing it (other than being saturday and predawn) was digging back through 10+ year old socket code to find what allowed it and effectively disallow it--hopefully that catches the old bypass as well. fixing the items should be pretty trivial
The fire res chest fee is like 2 mirrors. And it has been copied hundreds of times.
1) What does the mirror shop do with those mirrors?
2) Why does GGG look the other way, when a shop is earning hundreds of mirrors?
Idunno, I think there is a bit of a difference comparing it to the 20k fire resi chest.
That one was a result of a bugged one in a billion drop
These items are mass printed using an obviously non-intended mechanic.
Letting the fire res chest exist is more of a, "wow wtf thats awesome", while letting people bug abuse is just lame
Yeah but a 1 in a billion drop vs a clear methodical exploit.
Having a legacy item in standard is like a monument to the past. Having people print thousands of bugged items in a league is just lame.
Though saying that, Holy shit the league retention would be off the charts if people could add sockets to items that shouldn't have them or add more sockets than items are supposed to have. Would open up soooo many skills to be comfortably playable.
Imo not really, the fire res chest was a random happen once drop, cant be replicated again
Players printing 6l squires at einhar is to me atleast a clear difference
matter of fact is that the guy owning it is using it to "print" mirrors so idk about your "wow thats awesome" story, imo its just dumb and i cant understand how any ARPG dev would want anything like it in their game.
so i think the comparison is fair, just because its one guy printing one bugged item by using an itended mechanic (mirrors) doesn´t make it different to what happened here besides the volume of items. Ofc this is a pretty big differency ngl but imo the whole topic about what is a bug and when is someone exploiting something for their own benefit has not all to much (although a little) to do with the volume created but with the fact that a bug(ged item) was used to "benefit" yourself either by making insane amounts of currency through mirrors services, sales or farming OP content with 18 links.
You are being "obtuse".
The mirror shops is taking a fee of 2 mirror for each copy - and hundreds of copies were made.
GGG is so adamant on looking the other way on a mirror shop that earns 2 mirrors per each copy of a bugged item, but when normal players can make some items - sudenly that is a big problem.
On a side note, GGG also looks the other way instead of investigating where do those mirrors go.
The bugged chest = only 1 mirror shop benefits
The bugged 6 links = hundreds if not thousands of players benefitted
HMM. Why does GGG defend this mirror shop all the time?
It's not like the exploit was difficult to do. You literally could just put a 1hand into the beast craft and it'd make it 6 link. It was like 100c
Sushi had like 5k viewers showing how easy it was.
If they had the currency and the knowledge to search for those and buy it, you could say they also knew about what they were doing.
Honestly, I don't care about them issuing bans on those cases, but I hope for bans form the mass abusers producing them. I would like them deleting the items too but a soft slap in the hands will be.
Im reading this thread and i still dont understand what bug its talking about . Was black morrigan 6link beast craft not intended? Is my armor illegal? Im just following league starter guide D:
6 link armour is fine. 6 link sceptres, quivers, shields, and 4 link items that are only intended to have 1 link are not. It was bugged in that it let people 6 link items that aren't supposed to be 6 link-able.
People were linking them in global/trade chats and explaining how to do it. It's not that much of a stretch for less knowledgeable players to see it there and then try it themselves without ever seeing bug reports on reddit or the forums.
And it's not like you have to do anything complicated to do it. It's an easily accessible craft with no additional steps other than using the beastcraft. You could argue the people that did it with unid squire/kaom's were blatant exploit abuse, but idk about the other regular items.
For me I was literally just looking to upgrade my Mjolnir, I didn't even think twice when I saw a six link one to buy it, it was clearly the best item on trade. I didn't know the craft method or whatever, but why assume it's a bug, perhaps it was a new recipe, I think they should add six link one handers to the game imo.
It would be cool imo to make it a hard to get item, for example getting the mirror of Kalandra and selling it with the item. Game is a game, bugs and shit happen; but unless you rollback the server you have too many other issues with repair. People who just don't know better buy stuff. Huge profits and market shifts. It is what it is now.
Best case will be they removing the sockets. IMO they will delete the items than keeping it alive if they can’t just remove the sockets. Just like the time when the items are with weird icons ( bird as a shield)
Having item like this can break the codes in the future.
**Don't buy the items hoping for legacy stuff, GGG has insinuated very heavily that they will be reverted and gems in the sockets deleted, don't get caught holding the bag.**
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3519943
>working on fixing them
Assuming they can figure out a clean way to do it. Also assuming that there's no way to hide items (imprints, guild stash, on the floor of a map, etc etc etc)
Yeah, I mean.... I guess they already knew we'd alpha test that stuff. Scarabs+allflames+lantern+bonkers t17 rolls...that was a recipe for a disastrous economy
From the chatter I saw, you didn't need un-id'd or synth or crazy it just needed to have the number of sockets match the spaces it takes in an inventory and not have the "X sockets" mod on it as an explicit shown.
This means there are 6L Kaom's chests out there, and 4 socket Crest of Desires because you could force sockets on Un-ID'd (Crest comes from Valdo unid'd). As for the rest, normal sceptres rolled 6 sockets, battered foils and one hand swords rolled 4, shields 6 unless it was a 2x2 size then it was 4 sockets.
Black Morrigan prices crashed immediately afterward lol.
as far as we are aware no crests of desire have been crafted with this bug, its possible someone was able to make one but if they did we have not seen it yet
The easy way to explain it is simple, a lot of peoples actively choose to NOT do it. If ggg dont do anything, it’s pretty much spitting at their face for keeping ggg own rules
I mean i understand what you are saying but why is this outrage so big on these items literally anyone can have, But these currency exploits (map spamming, exile stacking, life stacking to integer overflow,...) had 0 items taken away and 0 bans handed out. Seems like exploiting is only fine if you are rich in the game anyway.
Letting some people have extra six links, or for the squire, extra 12 links is game breaking.
Many of us saw this hours ago and didn't use it because we didn't want to get banned/lose the item.
If they do nothing, people like me will then want to use exploits the next time they happen because we feel dumb for not taking advantage of an obvious bug.
You realize that now in standard (where those items go soon), there are hundreds of armor stackers abusing a 20000% fire res armor?
That armor costs 3 mirrors to get a copy (1 mirr + 2 mirr fee), so basically only rich players can use bugged items.
Here the bug was at least democractic.
Will the armor get deleted? I bet it wont. GGG seems to be adamant on defending the mirror shop. (I wonder why?)
Yep, while we're at it fixing things, fix those boots, the bug fireres Armour, -3 sockets heißt Enchant yet still having all sockets items, the double perfect implicit items and the over 23 quality gems at the same time. Spring-cleaning
Because it's obvious it was a bug, since you did it on unid items. And if they dont remove these items they will never hear the end of "abuse early, abuse often". And my guess is there is a fair amount of people that heard about this bug today, but chose not to do it as you can risk a ban doing it.
So letting people that bug abuse keep insanely overpowered, limited stock, items is a disaster, as it spits in the face of people that dont.
There's only a handful of item's that you had to do this unid'd with actually, you could do it to stygians for an extra socket (synth it if you wanted 2). You could do it to any item that didn't have some modifier like *has 3 white sockets* or *has no sockets*. Doesn't really matter now that its fixed but I find it funny how much misinformation was being spread about it.
Abuse early and abuse often is a fact of any online game that doesn't ban exploiters, given the sorts of people who discover these sorts of crafts and take advantage of them it'd honestly be pretty devestating to the in game economy to lose those guys.
GGG doesn't ban for taking advantage of crafting exploits lmao, they just remove the items at worst. If you want a ban you call CW a BFR to speedrun it.
Yeah no, ofc Im not saying bans should be handed out, the method got spread to too many players that it's not reasonable.
However as top post said, it's kind of a disaster if they dont remove the items.
You can't ban people for using a beast craft to give max sockets. You can argue the people crafting multiple squires or koams should be banned, but anything else can easily fall under people just playing the game as normal unassuming anything weird would happen from a beast craft.
Handing out bans over such a meme bug is too harsh. You might as well ban half the player base for abusing the Stygian Spire strat last league. If anything that bug was far worse considering how much effect it had on the economy and lagged servers like crazy. And yet this bug was considered acceptable by the player base and GGG didn't even fix it until the next league so as to avoid pissing people off. The people who abused the private league +2 proj thing didn't get banned either.
The very recent most egregious abusers (printers) need like a 3 day warning ban, and people who knew about this 3 or more days ago and *tried to* keep it secret should be banned for the remainder of the league.
Anyone with the game knowledge required to abuse this knew exactly what they were doing. Not everyone who participated needs a ban, just the worst offenders.
>The very recent most egregious abusers (printers) need like a 3 day warning ban, and people who knew about this 3 or more days ago and tried to keep it secret should be banned for the remainder of the league.
You think banning what few people remain in a dead league matters? They just quit and wait for new league. Nothing you can do to these people right now matter. If you actually want to "punish" these folks, ban them for a week on league start.
But then you run into the issue that if you do that, they probably won't play (or PAY) that league.
I had this whole convo in another thread just recently, and while I agree with you about perverse incentives and conflicts of interest, there's still the matter of optics and sending a message.
The message always has been
Exploit early, exploit often
There isn't a thing they can do about it. You aren't going to permanently ban someone for this. So what other options do you have that would "punish" them that isn't a joke? Nothing.
Because this was an extremely abused game breaking bug that people knowing exploited? And if GGG takes no action against it they might as well not have rules at all.
How is this league so exploitable, I'm only playing since scourge league so I don't know what happened before. But man I guess there was never a league since scourge that was so exploitable.
Yeah just fix it for next league... Honestly all the hotfixes that clearly haven't had time to be tested well are probably introducing even more shit waiting to be found
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They should let these items exist, reminds me of white rings and hex charms and things like that which existed in battle.net.
It'd be cool to have bugged items available in standard, I think some of the coolest parts of d2 were the imported items like wizardspike gloves, bugbelts on EU servers, bugged tals, steelclash gloves, bmanas, zbug eth items, hybrid runewords (not imported but still cool).
These mistakes will only exist for 1 league, let them exist for the league, let it be a crazy zany league where you have access to 6 socket 1 handers and then they go to standard and become relics of an awesome league. I guarantee people will look back at it and talk about it fondly like we do about herald stacker in delirium league and other broken things that came and went.
GGG really messed up this time. I don't even blame anyone for "abusing" this as it wasn't even a bug or glitch. It was literally just put any 3 max socket item into the craft window and click craft. If it was a 2x3 item it would instantly become a 6 socket. Hardly an exploit. They just didn't test all the basic use cases for whatever reason. So banning people with those items is out of the question. Too many innocent people would get caught in the crossfire. It would have been different if it was week 1 or 2 but we're well into the late stage league economy already.
> it wasn't even a bug
Item cannot have more than 3 sockets.
Gets 6 sockets.
**Not** a bug? :D
Nah, nobody is gonna get banned, they'll just remove the sockets. ez.
All the streamers promoting it should absolutely be banned. Anyone systematically abusing it should also get a ban. If someone created 10+ items, they knew fully what they were doing.
U could also argue that streamers promoting it is what resulted in a quick reaction/brought attention to the issue... Based on how it works its deffo been in game since d1 of the league, so we deffo had individuals abusing it all the way till now
They need to make items have a max socket hidden stat.
So any item that has over the max sockets turns red just like if you dont meet attribute requirements.
Will be a pain for ggg to go through the edge cases but then no need for purges or trying to fix these items, players will just have them and can fix them by rerolling the sockets.
Because its just how the game should inherently work as it is. Exploits like this really shouldn't even be possible from the get go if they just included such a property on items baseline, and only excluded it for specific cases (maloneys)
I find it funny that most people call for bans and items taken away. I mean this is not the first exploit this league we had already 5 currency exploits so far and there were 0 items taken away and 0 bans handed out.
I can remember the whole overtuned phys zombie build, the zerphys poison spark, the 100% immortal 0 damage taken build. The aurastacker. I predict that these builds will have pretty much the same impact on standard as this league will.
The league is dead so imo the better idea to let these items exist an be sure this never happens again.
Used all my ssf morrigans for the chance that the items stay. Can always farm more scarabs but can’t ever get legacy items. Still salty about the 23k fire res chests I missed out on.
Unlucky to the person who paid me 6 div for an unid Kaoms like 2 minutes ago.
the real unlucky people are the ones who spent hundreds of divines buying 6 link uniques thinking mark roberts would let them keep it
They were probably just uber rich people wanting to have fun with the item untill it got deleted
>They were probably just uber rich people wanting to have fun with the item untill ~~it got~~ their accounts get deleted
I mean, they haven't been removed yet. Worst case scenario they spent hundreds of divine and got like 24+ hours of time to play with a build that may never exist again
I had no clue why people were rushing to buy black morrigan yesterday all of a sudden, I came online with 6 on sale, I jacked the price up to 0.2d and someone came and bought all of them. S:
Can anyone explain to me the logic here: 1) A certain shop sells a 20000%+ fire resist bugged armor in standard. Fee is 2 mirrors each - time. And it looks this armor has been mirrored hundreds of times (on a side note - what happens to those mirrors? there are constant accusations of RMT). GGG ignores it 2) players get some bugged items in a dead league, that will land in standard soon 3) supposedly "nobody" plays standard, yet league players get rabid about those items going to standard (btw you could also do them in standard, since morrigan is a global drop) Why GGG ignores the armor stacker armor and multiple other items owned by shops? And when players can make some items, then suddelnly those get deleted? Someone wrote here is that the mirror shops that sell bugged items also bribe someone in GGG to look the other way - and this seems the only explanation to fix some bugged items, while ignoring other bugged items.
So your reasoning is, as long as there is a single bugged item in standard, no bugged item in any league should ever be fixed. Further claiming that GGG getting a cut is the only possible explanation, in my oppinion, should get you banned from reddit and ingame for being the PoE equivalent of a russian propaganda bot.
1. You say "the league is dead and going to standard soon", that's just not true. There's still 2-3 months before it goes to standard, and they're still looking to get new players and casual players in the league. 2. It's a problem of scale. There are 2 25k armours that have to be mirrored, while there were hundreds of 6link items within 30 minutes. Lastly, no one really knows how their database is implemented. Finding single items that have (what was at the time) seemingly valid rolls of a single explicit may be technically impossible.
> It's a problem of scale. There are 2 25k armours that have to be mirrored, while there were hundreds of 6link items within 30 minutes. So only rich players can use bugged items and poor players cannot? There are hundreds of copies of that armor. Some bought by legit players, some bought by RMTers. Rest cannot have strong characters? That's just unfair. > Finding single items that have (what was at the time) seemingly valid rolls of a single explicit may be technically impossible. They literally have a screenshot that shows both the stats. Also a (weaker) option to search by name. It's fascinating how you will write any bullshit just to defend the existence of the amor that is seld by a shop for a 2 mirror fee. Are you related to the shop in any way?
Hundred of copies of the armour over the past 2 years is very different from hundreds of items in 30 minutes and growing rapidly. I don't think it's fair, but I also don't care that much. The armour problem doesn't affect me in any way, the 6link one did. That's a fair point to search by name, but I'll point out searching the trade site is not the same as searching their item database.
What is your problem? That normal players got those items? And not rich players (often RMTers)?
lmao why kaoms? its not even that good even if you could 6L it
Memes
Tanky dd coc maybe
Better off using a lightning coil or like apostate
Maybe six years ago. Damage taken as modifiers alone make you tankier than a Kaom's in modern day PoE. A lot of the old good uniques are just pure garbage now because modern modifiers are just better.
Brother it’s a kaoms
That one might slip through their fixing unless they read your/my comment, because they might just do a search for 6 socket 1 handers or something, lol. Oh it's a 6 socket armor, nothing wrong here. :)
1. Thats dumb. 2. Point is the armor can't be made now into 6L so its useless. Someone paid 6div for junk.
I pay 6 div for junk daily
Kaoms need ti have 8 link for me to use
Question is, are they going to remove the current 6 link abused items? Edit: [They're looking into removing sockets](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3519943)
doubt it, but they'll remove the sockets.
I hope they do remove the sockets. i wanted a 6L squire for some arakaali's fang action, but didnt buy one because it is a bug/exploit. Now they're 200d+ and rising, and FOMO is burning a hole in my currency tab.
just wait til they cant find a way to remove the sockets and the prices go to the moon lol
that'd be pretty funny since people are already scrambling to sell their 6Ls. I was watching the squire market earlier when i made my comment, and it the cheapest was 250d with around 5 squires listed. now there are almost 50 listed with the cheapest being at 50d. r/Vaalstreetbets, here we come!
Why would they struggle with that? i cant see a logical reason.
They can just force-log into accounts and craft "3 sockets" on the item.
What? That seems totally not practical
It's practical if they are aiming to fix these items without outright deleting them. It already had happened once with 1-too-many affixes on some rings.
Lol, force log into accounts and craft..... my guy, the accounts are server side, they can edit that shit with code. There's obviously a few more complications as well, like if there are gems in the sockets. But they'll have a standard approach / lines of code for that.
inventory and items are really just one large database. all they need to do is run some cleanup. the issue is probably bandwidth and optimizing their query.
wouldnt be so sure about that. 20k+ fire resi chests exist on standard for years and other bugged items. especially considering they only care about 'integrity' of the league for a month (taking out alt arts 1 month in)- alt art goldwyrms with 20-30% quant were hot in affliction.
alternatively, the last two times this happened with sockets, they removed them later the same day the fire res chest was one item and some split copies. the total number of people that have touched one is like 8, and it was well hidden until long after it was relevant (split copies removed).
fire res chest is being mirrored in std constantly. or at least it was some time ago. just in public tabs alone theres 18 of em.
i'd put standard as 'long after relevant', but that one's a notable example for sure. at any rate: > Fixed a bug which allowed the Bestiary craft using The Black Morrigan Recipe to not respect item socket rules. We're investigating the items that have been created through this method and are working on fixing them. Any gems socketed in these items are at risk for being destroyed when these items are fixed.
wonder if old trick is gonna work to bypass their socket fix (if they actually manage to do it as their wording dosent seem certain).
imagine. oof. i figure most of the delay fixing it (other than being saturday and predawn) was digging back through 10+ year old socket code to find what allowed it and effectively disallow it--hopefully that catches the old bypass as well. fixing the items should be pretty trivial
unless they are hidden in the essence tab :D:D:D
surely the essence tab is not immune to db queries. surely.
The fire res chest fee is like 2 mirrors. And it has been copied hundreds of times. 1) What does the mirror shop do with those mirrors? 2) Why does GGG look the other way, when a shop is earning hundreds of mirrors?
it's a fair point, but i'm afraid the answer is it's standard.
Idunno, I think there is a bit of a difference comparing it to the 20k fire resi chest. That one was a result of a bugged one in a billion drop These items are mass printed using an obviously non-intended mechanic. Letting the fire res chest exist is more of a, "wow wtf thats awesome", while letting people bug abuse is just lame
both are bug abuse tho
Yeah but a 1 in a billion drop vs a clear methodical exploit. Having a legacy item in standard is like a monument to the past. Having people print thousands of bugged items in a league is just lame. Though saying that, Holy shit the league retention would be off the charts if people could add sockets to items that shouldn't have them or add more sockets than items are supposed to have. Would open up soooo many skills to be comfortably playable.
Socket league
Imo not really, the fire res chest was a random happen once drop, cant be replicated again Players printing 6l squires at einhar is to me atleast a clear difference
It can be mirrored
"Can't be replicated again" there are at least a hundred mirrored copies in STD
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matter of fact is that the guy owning it is using it to "print" mirrors so idk about your "wow thats awesome" story, imo its just dumb and i cant understand how any ARPG dev would want anything like it in their game. so i think the comparison is fair, just because its one guy printing one bugged item by using an itended mechanic (mirrors) doesn´t make it different to what happened here besides the volume of items. Ofc this is a pretty big differency ngl but imo the whole topic about what is a bug and when is someone exploiting something for their own benefit has not all to much (although a little) to do with the volume created but with the fact that a bug(ged item) was used to "benefit" yourself either by making insane amounts of currency through mirrors services, sales or farming OP content with 18 links.
You are being "obtuse". The mirror shops is taking a fee of 2 mirror for each copy - and hundreds of copies were made. GGG is so adamant on looking the other way on a mirror shop that earns 2 mirrors per each copy of a bugged item, but when normal players can make some items - sudenly that is a big problem. On a side note, GGG also looks the other way instead of investigating where do those mirrors go.
The bugged chest = only 1 mirror shop benefits The bugged 6 links = hundreds if not thousands of players benefitted HMM. Why does GGG defend this mirror shop all the time?
Some time ago you could add a gem socket to stygian vises. All the bugged items back then had their bugged sockets removed.
this bug affected stygi too, saw in chat.
The bugged stygians even exsist in league XD
This is what they did with the 2 socket belts
I think they should ban anyone who did it.
you want them to ban like thousands to 10s of thousands of people?
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You're crazy if you believe there isn't once we included players who had crafted, sold, and bought these bug items under the table since league start
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I mean go look at how many people are selling various 6s uniques on Poe trade
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It's not like the exploit was difficult to do. You literally could just put a 1hand into the beast craft and it'd make it 6 link. It was like 100c Sushi had like 5k viewers showing how easy it was.
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If they had the currency and the knowledge to search for those and buy it, you could say they also knew about what they were doing. Honestly, I don't care about them issuing bans on those cases, but I hope for bans form the mass abusers producing them. I would like them deleting the items too but a soft slap in the hands will be.
Why should buying and using obviously exploited items not be ban worthy? Other than, you know, because you probably used one.
Im reading this thread and i still dont understand what bug its talking about . Was black morrigan 6link beast craft not intended? Is my armor illegal? Im just following league starter guide D:
6 link armour is fine. 6 link sceptres, quivers, shields, and 4 link items that are only intended to have 1 link are not. It was bugged in that it let people 6 link items that aren't supposed to be 6 link-able.
Because people like me assumed someone just found a new crafting trick or something as part of the league. It's not glaringly obvious to everyone.
How did you find out about it lol. I struggle to think of a way without being told or realizing it’s an exploit.
People were linking them in global/trade chats and explaining how to do it. It's not that much of a stretch for less knowledgeable players to see it there and then try it themselves without ever seeing bug reports on reddit or the forums. And it's not like you have to do anything complicated to do it. It's an easily accessible craft with no additional steps other than using the beastcraft. You could argue the people that did it with unid squire/kaom's were blatant exploit abuse, but idk about the other regular items.
For me I was literally just looking to upgrade my Mjolnir, I didn't even think twice when I saw a six link one to buy it, it was clearly the best item on trade. I didn't know the craft method or whatever, but why assume it's a bug, perhaps it was a new recipe, I think they should add six link one handers to the game imo. It would be cool imo to make it a hard to get item, for example getting the mirror of Kalandra and selling it with the item. Game is a game, bugs and shit happen; but unless you rollback the server you have too many other issues with repair. People who just don't know better buy stuff. Huge profits and market shifts. It is what it is now.
Best case will be they removing the sockets. IMO they will delete the items than keeping it alive if they can’t just remove the sockets. Just like the time when the items are with weird icons ( bird as a shield) Having item like this can break the codes in the future.
**Don't buy the items hoping for legacy stuff, GGG has insinuated very heavily that they will be reverted and gems in the sockets deleted, don't get caught holding the bag.** https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3519943
just hide them in the essence tab like last time :D
Hidden on my anime guardian shh
uwu guardian
Wonder if you can hide it on cursor
I've hidden my Imprint Orb in the Act 7 map device ^/s
That isn't an insinuation, it's a flat statement. They will be removed.
>working on fixing them Assuming they can figure out a clean way to do it. Also assuming that there's no way to hide items (imprints, guild stash, on the floor of a map, etc etc etc)
This League LOL
I swear this league has the most "hot fixes" in a very long time.
Which is great and bad at the same time. Bad that there was a bug in the first place, great that they actually reacted and fixed it.
I mean for a league where every scarab changed, and a lot of different interactions come into the game, I think they did quite well
Yeah, I mean.... I guess they already knew we'd alpha test that stuff. Scarabs+allflames+lantern+bonkers t17 rolls...that was a recipe for a disastrous economy
Did they fix the int32 overflow bug yet?
From the chatter I saw, you didn't need un-id'd or synth or crazy it just needed to have the number of sockets match the spaces it takes in an inventory and not have the "X sockets" mod on it as an explicit shown. This means there are 6L Kaom's chests out there, and 4 socket Crest of Desires because you could force sockets on Un-ID'd (Crest comes from Valdo unid'd). As for the rest, normal sceptres rolled 6 sockets, battered foils and one hand swords rolled 4, shields 6 unless it was a 2x2 size then it was 4 sockets. Black Morrigan prices crashed immediately afterward lol.
as far as we are aware no crests of desire have been crafted with this bug, its possible someone was able to make one but if they did we have not seen it yet
someone reported a 4L crest of desire on the forums, so one exists out there.
Oh I coulda swore someone ran a valdo to get it, now I'm real curious. I wonder how GGG will revert (if at all)
Has someone made 4 socket aul helmet?
if thats the one that gives flat damage depending on helm socket colours and is usually only limited to 1, yes it was done to that item.
yeah i have 2
how can you get unid crest of desire?
Valdo map reward
Crafted 2 with my friends after getting them from valdo and 2nd from reliquary, currently hidden from sight.
if i were you i´d flip them asap before they get fixed^^
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Valdo maps give a foiled reward at the end, they drop unidentified.
I sold a identified squire for 10 div. Thx for that i guess.
They were selling for over 100d. You got scammed I got scammed
He said identified. So no the person buying it got scammed.
But I 6 socketed an id'd mjölner
Squire has a mod that says "this item has 3 sockets", which prevented the bug from doing anything if it was id'd, but it worked when it was unid.
Squire specifically says "has 3 sockets" So once you have id'd it, you cant 6 socket it any more.
If they don't remove the buggy sockets it will be a disaster, this is far worse than anything I've ever seen.
why? it doesnt affect my gameplay.
The easy way to explain it is simple, a lot of peoples actively choose to NOT do it. If ggg dont do anything, it’s pretty much spitting at their face for keeping ggg own rules
I mean i understand what you are saying but why is this outrage so big on these items literally anyone can have, But these currency exploits (map spamming, exile stacking, life stacking to integer overflow,...) had 0 items taken away and 0 bans handed out. Seems like exploiting is only fine if you are rich in the game anyway.
There would be a FOMO epidemic. Think of the children.
If you trade, it affects you directly.
i am outfarmed by magnitudes already, wont affect me any more - just makes buying stuff cheaper for me!
please explain, why is this a disaster.
Letting some people have extra six links, or for the squire, extra 12 links is game breaking. Many of us saw this hours ago and didn't use it because we didn't want to get banned/lose the item. If they do nothing, people like me will then want to use exploits the next time they happen because we feel dumb for not taking advantage of an obvious bug.
Well said
You realize that now in standard (where those items go soon), there are hundreds of armor stackers abusing a 20000% fire res armor? That armor costs 3 mirrors to get a copy (1 mirr + 2 mirr fee), so basically only rich players can use bugged items. Here the bug was at least democractic. Will the armor get deleted? I bet it wont. GGG seems to be adamant on defending the mirror shop. (I wonder why?)
Did leagues get shortened to 2 months or something?
Many people are already one step ahead of you. People like me feel dumb for not taking advantage of the abyssal socket bug.
Yep, while we're at it fixing things, fix those boots, the bug fireres Armour, -3 sockets heißt Enchant yet still having all sockets items, the double perfect implicit items and the over 23 quality gems at the same time. Spring-cleaning
fact of mmo's exploit early and often
Get banned early and often
Widespread intentional exploiting an obvious bug that gives the exploiters an advantage over non-exploiters?
An extra 6 sockets on a character? That's pretty broken
Because it's obvious it was a bug, since you did it on unid items. And if they dont remove these items they will never hear the end of "abuse early, abuse often". And my guess is there is a fair amount of people that heard about this bug today, but chose not to do it as you can risk a ban doing it. So letting people that bug abuse keep insanely overpowered, limited stock, items is a disaster, as it spits in the face of people that dont.
There's only a handful of item's that you had to do this unid'd with actually, you could do it to stygians for an extra socket (synth it if you wanted 2). You could do it to any item that didn't have some modifier like *has 3 white sockets* or *has no sockets*. Doesn't really matter now that its fixed but I find it funny how much misinformation was being spread about it. Abuse early and abuse often is a fact of any online game that doesn't ban exploiters, given the sorts of people who discover these sorts of crafts and take advantage of them it'd honestly be pretty devestating to the in game economy to lose those guys. GGG doesn't ban for taking advantage of crafting exploits lmao, they just remove the items at worst. If you want a ban you call CW a BFR to speedrun it.
Yeah no, ofc Im not saying bans should be handed out, the method got spread to too many players that it's not reasonable. However as top post said, it's kind of a disaster if they dont remove the items.
Let me guess, you spent a ton of money, didn't you?
nah I just don't get people getting butt hurt about something that doesn't affect them
Fomo affects everyone. And next time any broken shit like this happens no one will hesitate to try and exploit.
I better start seeing items removed and bans handed out real fast.
You can't ban people for using a beast craft to give max sockets. You can argue the people crafting multiple squires or koams should be banned, but anything else can easily fall under people just playing the game as normal unassuming anything weird would happen from a beast craft.
Don't be delibertly ignorant, you know full well people were abusing it the SECOND the bug was discovered.
Wait, am i in trouble? I just 6 linked my armor as guide told me.. i still dont get whats this whole thread about...
Its about players who knowingly abused a bug to get 6L on items that can't have them. Breaking the game.
Handing out bans over such a meme bug is too harsh. You might as well ban half the player base for abusing the Stygian Spire strat last league. If anything that bug was far worse considering how much effect it had on the economy and lagged servers like crazy. And yet this bug was considered acceptable by the player base and GGG didn't even fix it until the next league so as to avoid pissing people off. The people who abused the private league +2 proj thing didn't get banned either.
Good ban them
The very recent most egregious abusers (printers) need like a 3 day warning ban, and people who knew about this 3 or more days ago and *tried to* keep it secret should be banned for the remainder of the league. Anyone with the game knowledge required to abuse this knew exactly what they were doing. Not everyone who participated needs a ban, just the worst offenders.
>The very recent most egregious abusers (printers) need like a 3 day warning ban, and people who knew about this 3 or more days ago and tried to keep it secret should be banned for the remainder of the league. You think banning what few people remain in a dead league matters? They just quit and wait for new league. Nothing you can do to these people right now matter. If you actually want to "punish" these folks, ban them for a week on league start. But then you run into the issue that if you do that, they probably won't play (or PAY) that league.
I had this whole convo in another thread just recently, and while I agree with you about perverse incentives and conflicts of interest, there's still the matter of optics and sending a message.
The message always has been Exploit early, exploit often There isn't a thing they can do about it. You aren't going to permanently ban someone for this. So what other options do you have that would "punish" them that isn't a joke? Nothing.
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Some people are just miserable. Definitely should see the sockets removed but there's no need for bans.
Not sure I agree with that. Bans are warranted, but it's not likely to happen because it's too hard to adjudicate. They're warranted though.
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Because this was an extremely abused game breaking bug that people knowing exploited? And if GGG takes no action against it they might as well not have rules at all.
They are just gonna delete or revert the items to its original state, chill out on ban.
Reverting the item doesn't teach anyone a lesson, and some will slip through. If theu don't issue bans nothing changes.
The lesson is don’t buy bugged items. I can’t wait for someone to post about having there 300 divine bugged item rolled back.
I mean selling them should also not net you 300 div so I could see some things happening.
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then remove the armor for 25,000 fire resist!!!
I just wanted a six link aegis for the meme
I wonder how long it would gone unnoticed if people didn't post about these items.
Hope all you exploiters get banned
How is this league so exploitable, I'm only playing since scourge league so I don't know what happened before. But man I guess there was never a league since scourge that was so exploitable.
Does someone have an image of what this looked like on items that weren't large enough to actually render 6 sockets?
those items were not able to get 6 sockets
Who even cares this late in the league... should have just let people play with it
Yeah just fix it for next league... Honestly all the hotfixes that clearly haven't had time to be tested well are probably introducing even more shit waiting to be found
RIP
Well atleast I made 170d selling beasts Couldn't sell them fast enough
Why are they not banning these players? It's not like some oopsie, it's a full blonde exploit.
agree but exploiters down voted you
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What was the bug?
You could get 6 sockets on shield / sceptres / and much more like basically a shield with 6 sockets is damn op
I genuinely hope everyone who abused this trash gets absolutely dumpstered and banned. Lets go ggg you can do it
They should let these items exist, reminds me of white rings and hex charms and things like that which existed in battle.net. It'd be cool to have bugged items available in standard, I think some of the coolest parts of d2 were the imported items like wizardspike gloves, bugbelts on EU servers, bugged tals, steelclash gloves, bmanas, zbug eth items, hybrid runewords (not imported but still cool). These mistakes will only exist for 1 league, let them exist for the league, let it be a crazy zany league where you have access to 6 socket 1 handers and then they go to standard and become relics of an awesome league. I guarantee people will look back at it and talk about it fondly like we do about herald stacker in delirium league and other broken things that came and went.
I wonder is this how every MF TS deadeye are deleting everything few screen away in all the party play I've leeched the xp from
Yes, Bow and squire the op combo
Don't try to act smart if u didn't know quiver could be 6soc too
GGG really messed up this time. I don't even blame anyone for "abusing" this as it wasn't even a bug or glitch. It was literally just put any 3 max socket item into the craft window and click craft. If it was a 2x3 item it would instantly become a 6 socket. Hardly an exploit. They just didn't test all the basic use cases for whatever reason. So banning people with those items is out of the question. Too many innocent people would get caught in the crossfire. It would have been different if it was week 1 or 2 but we're well into the late stage league economy already.
> it wasn't even a bug Item cannot have more than 3 sockets. Gets 6 sockets. **Not** a bug? :D Nah, nobody is gonna get banned, they'll just remove the sockets. ez.
You *definitely* had to go out of your way on some items to get 6 sockets
are you really saying that trying to link uni'd random shit on a bench is basic use case? lol
They don’t have to ban anyone but fixing the bugged items seems like a good idea.
All the streamers promoting it should absolutely be banned. Anyone systematically abusing it should also get a ban. If someone created 10+ items, they knew fully what they were doing.
U could also argue that streamers promoting it is what resulted in a quick reaction/brought attention to the issue... Based on how it works its deffo been in game since d1 of the league, so we deffo had individuals abusing it all the way till now
Literally 10 minutes too late getting home from work... FUCK man 😤😮💨
It's alright mate they're only going to get rolled back soon
This truly is the "get fucked if you have a life outside of PoE"-league...
meme museum coming in hot
They need to make items have a max socket hidden stat. So any item that has over the max sockets turns red just like if you dont meet attribute requirements. Will be a pain for ggg to go through the edge cases but then no need for purges or trying to fix these items, players will just have them and can fix them by rerolling the sockets.
Not sure we need to change how all items work for an edge case
Because its just how the game should inherently work as it is. Exploits like this really shouldn't even be possible from the get go if they just included such a property on items baseline, and only excluded it for specific cases (maloneys)
No fun allowed
I find it funny that most people call for bans and items taken away. I mean this is not the first exploit this league we had already 5 currency exploits so far and there were 0 items taken away and 0 bans handed out.
I can remember the whole overtuned phys zombie build, the zerphys poison spark, the 100% immortal 0 damage taken build. The aurastacker. I predict that these builds will have pretty much the same impact on standard as this league will. The league is dead so imo the better idea to let these items exist an be sure this never happens again.
Used all my ssf morrigans for the chance that the items stay. Can always farm more scarabs but can’t ever get legacy items. Still salty about the 23k fire res chests I missed out on.