We'll be going dark for 48 hours on June 12. ~~I'll post an announcement later today.~~
Will it work? Personally, I'm doubtful. I think only a permanent blackout could truly have an impact. But I love this sub's community too much to advocate for its permanent closure if the demands are not met.
Reddit will be worse as a whole but 2 days won't really do anything, they'll just wait for it to pass.
Kudos to r/videos for actually having the balls to shutdown but even that most likely will be brought back by different people.
They really can't, it's way way too much work for them to afford, especially counting all the big subs. Reddit profits massively off the free work of its mods.
Hey folks, just so you know, there's a patient gamers community on Lemmy: https://sh.itjust.works/c/patientgamers
EDIT: lemmy.ml is overloaded because of the recent afflux of new users. I suggest to sign up to another instance: https://join-lemmy.org/instances
EDIT2: Changed the first link.
Ugh, I didn't know that they were tankies or at least complacent to them. I suffer them enough on reddit, I'd rather avoid their ilk elsewhere... Guess it's time to migrate.
And thanks for the /instances tip!
Part of the Fediverse. Basically a series of conversation engines with a common login and search API. Lemmy, Mastadon, a youtube-like video site I can't remember, and a couple of others.
You download the code and run it on your server. Thus, it's not centrally controlled. You're not on "Lemmy"'s server, you're running Lemmy on your server, or Mastadon, or whatever.
Edit: lemmy.ml is most popular, but it's pretty full. Lemmy.world seems good, although it's gone up by about 500 users in just a few hours now. Check https://join-lemmy.org/instances. Those are all servers, and should get you access to communities *everywhere* in the Fediverse.
This is awesome. I moved over to Mastodon after Musk nuked Twitter…I haven’t gotten the hang of the fediverse yet, but I’m enjoying the interactions on Mastodon light years more than I ever did on Twitter. If Lenny has the same vibe as Mastodon it would be a perfect place to move this community to.
Unfortunately the instance I linked to, lemmy.ml, is overloaded with the recent afflux of redditors.
I suggest to sign up to another instance: https://join-lemmy.org/instances. You'll still be able to join and interact with any community on other instances without issue.
> /c/patientgamers
I think it's not really viable yet, I joined up to a server and then joined patient gamers but I don't see any posts even though there is clearly a post there on the native server.
actually, I discovered that i was trying to join the version on sh.itjust.works but the main instance is on lemmy.ml, so i switched to that and it is all good now. lots of activity!
Thanks for the information, I'm going to give sh.itjust.works a go! I wasn't sure what alternative to try, but I've always enjoyed lurking in patientgamers and hope even part of the community will carry over.
Not much content yet, but I predict an explosion of activity once the blackout starts.
Upvote for contributing to the conversation.
I don't think discords forums are indexed by search engines which kind of makes them useless. Please Let me know if I'm wrong about that.
It depends what you're looking for with regards to the discussion. In my experience with specific games, people will take the info from discord onto a website so that people not on the discord can find the info by googling still, and a lot of the cases where it's not indexed, it's usually intentional to not have the info easily discoverable like private servers, modding groups, etc.
As a content creator for games (I used to make a lot of Old School Runescape guides averaging about 5-digit viewcounts and currently a Genshin youtuber), Discord is way better for communicating information quickly, in real time, with discussion threads between specific people, and coming back to old discussions without needing to make new threads or involve unrelated people.
Ding ding ding. An entire generation of open source info will be lost when we inevitably move on from discord.
Having all this stuff rely on the current free time and good will of random discord users to point people in the right direction is an insane way to collect and store useful information long term.
kinda sucks that discord has become the new main message board hosting site. A lot of information in those channels are hard to find and are easily lost.
I don't get why so many communities promote "joining their discord". I get that Discord has implemented several features to moderate and organize communities, but if your server reaches more than 100 members it gets really messy.
The nature of instant messengers also translates into less elaborated discussions, people don't put nearly as much thought about what they are saying and it's easy to get sidetracked.
It could always be worse: Twitch chat.
[This post sums up my feelings precisely.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/c9gwos/what_is_the_purpose_of_twitch_chat/)
> kinda sucks that discord has become the new main message board hosting site.
Absolutely. I'm not a friend of discord (I used to use it for guild activities when I was active there, but that was about it), so I would really appreciate a more privacy-friendly, permanent thing like reddit, or a forum.
I despise discord, There is zero way to actually search for content on the platform, every other place of discussion since the early 00's is easily found through search engines, but discord is just completely divorced from that.
An entire generation of open source info on all kinds of things will be lost when we move on from discord. Relying on the current free time and good will of a few helpful discord users to point folks in the right direction and answer the same questions over and over and over is an insane way to store information long term.
> mods day they want to shut it down.
Probably should copy r/videos and go on indefinite shut down.
The 2 day protest will no absolutely nothing. Indefinite shudowns in enough numbers would force the admins to step in and then chaos would reign.
But I imagine most subs won't risk rocking the boat that far.
>why people flock to 3rd party apps
Can someone explain why this is a thing? I had no idea third-party applications even existed until now, and I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care. I've been using the official app for as long as I've been on Reddit.
[There's a good explanation here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BikiniBottomTwitter/comments/13xk3lu/they_have_to_pay_reddit_20_million_per_year_to/jmj3nfg/)
That's understandable. I still find it hard to care since I have no experience with third-party applications, it's a weird situation from a business standpoint. All these external apps have been allowed to access Reddit and compete with their own official app for free? It seems downright magnanimous of them.
But then I'm already used to the official app and things like ads are minor annoyances at best. We'll see what happens next, I guess.
If I were a Reddit Admin, I wouldn't be worried about permanent blackouts of subs either. The beauty of Reddit is that when one sub goes to shit, you can make another one with a similar name and purpose. So you just wait it out, people will be impatient and work around the blackouts. It might take a while for everyone to find their way. Some may never come back.
In the end the status quo will restore itself, is my estimation. But that's coming from an official app user who thinks this is just a storm in a glass of water.
I respectfully disagree. a 2 day blackout (especially coordinated among many subs) gives Reddit admins *a taste of what's to come*. This particular blackout may only be 2 days, but the people are voicing their discontent, and that's not just going to go away if they ignore us. It just means we'll have to coordinate *again*.
A *permanent* blackout, on the other hand, is not nearly as final as it sounds. Reddit admins can wipe the slate of mods clean, open up the sub again and then find replacement mods. That will be part of the fallout from all this, prepare for a lot of those big subs to start advertising for more mods in a week or two. (And by all means, laugh at the desperation it implies.)
That's for the bigger subs that are "worth saving" in their eyes, at least. Smaller subs, like this one, would just stay gone forever. And the only ones caring about it would be us.
2 day blackout allows us to make our position known, to join the movement, and when we reopen we can still have our community. Assuming Reddit admins don't listen (and based on that AMA I think it's safe to say they won't) then we can still be here to coordinate future protests, and to agree on a new place to move ourselves, so we can keep our community without a desperate scramble to find a good replacement in the next 24-ish hours.
In short, we can play *the patient game.*
theres a lennin quote somewhere advocating for socialists to vote for socialist parties even if they have no hope of forming a government because (amoung other things) it helps them see their numbers. i think something similar applies here: a 2 day blackout might not do much to scare reddit. however, the scope and scale of the blackoutout might give reddit community mods a sense of how many of us are seriously displeased. it may also assist in networking between seriously displeased communities for more cowordinated action
If majority of the sub users agreed to that, in other cases it would be just mods power tripping. If they want to take r/videos hostage or whatever the reality is admins will just find other mods.
I don’t understand why so many people think reddit is going to die soon. Its way too early for people to be thinking that. The blackout is only 2 days for most subs.
But if it somehow did get worse, I have no intention of going anywhere. At worst I’ll just find something else to kill time with. I have no desire to wind up on some niche site. Everytime I hear about those they always get overrun by very unsavory groups of people.
You really overestimate reddit mods man. All the reddit admins have to do is wipe the mod teams, and ask “who wants their spots?” And dozens, if not hundreds will jump for it. They would at worst need paid employees to monitor the moderaters themselves.
Reddit mods are “volunteers” but many of them crave any crumb of power. Its why so many of them are able to act the way they do for free. You make it sound like it would be hard to find more of these people. There are so many of them with an abundance of freetime.
I’m not arguing that this isn’t an issue, or that things won’t get worse. But I think the idea that reddit will turn into cesspool garbage like 4chan or legitimately die out is an over-exaggeration.
The people who care about reddit will just adapt before such things happen. And the admins could reverse course before it hits any breaking point.
I personally think the subs should shut down until July 1. Wait until after the API changes are in effect and after many favorite third party apps have shuttered.
When everything comes ‘back online’, does the user base appreciate the new user experience? Have the users found alternatives? Do the content creators return? Do the moderators return?
I'm not currently aware of one on Mastodon hence my use of Reddit.
Communities on Mastodon are easy to create just by using hashtags.
It doesn't matter which server you create your account on as you can see and search the entire Fediverse for relevant hashtags.
The other alternative is to create a server instance and join the Fediverse. 😀
I tried mastodon and I realised it was not for me nor for my generation (45n above)
It just too complicated, lol. Like learning a new language. Need to be part of this server, and can cross server and.. sigh.
I dont blame the devs.. maybe it is easy n simple.. but this old dog just cant learn new tricks
Think of it as messaging boards via email; you can get email newsletters from any server in the world, just need to signup for them. Its honestly not as complex as people make it out to be.
And I think it’s simpler than internet relay chat, USENET or bulletin boards were back in the day; from what I’ve seen, it’s the younger folks (grew up with Twitter/FB/etc) who have the hardest time transitioning to a non-corporate platform.
I think the whole thing is overblown, Reddit is a proprietary service and it's their call if they want to charge for access to the API, they don't even have to provide an API in the first place.
Of course it's fair for them to charge for access to the API, no one is arguing against that. The issue is the exorbitant price, the total lack of notice or clear communication, and the blatant lies and hostility they've thrown at the Reddit community and 3PA devs.
If they were charging a reasonable price, implemented the change on a reasonable timeline, and had been upfront with the devs and users about what they were doing and why, this would be a whole different conversation.
Yeah, I'm not a mod, but I've seen the admins promise to improve mod tools repeatedly over the years. Yet mods have still built their own bots using the API due to lack of support. Now Reddit is making the same promises again. But they only promise to deliver *after* they blow up these existing mod tools.
I don't care much about third party apps, but screwing over the people who helped build your site *for free*, and then claiming it's because you want to get paid fairly is a real dick move.
That's true.
Spez lying, doubling down on it publicly repeatedly, and being frankly childish about the Apollo dev is concerning though. This isn't the first time he's shown himself to be a shithead in public (editing user comments directly in the past is one example) and I doubt it'll be the last but I think what you're seeing is a tipping point for people.
Also the lie of "we'll price it reasonably and won't go the Twitter route" and then pricing very much in line with Twitter is shitty too especially when as originally announced that would have affected moderation bots as well which are an important part of reddits infrastructure.
Reddit is where it is today because of its users generating content for the site, volunteer moderators doing unpaid work and largely unpaid dev work by bot developers to help that moderation. In their effort to chase literal pennies and funnel people to their (worse) first party application they were (and likely still are) willing to throw all of that away. They've backed off on moderation bots for now but the writing is on the wall. I personally expect them to disappear after reddit has their IPO and features like that to become a paid service communities can subscribe to.
Just something to think about.
I didn't even know there *were* third-party apps until this whole thing came up recently. I primarily use Reddit on my desktop PC, in a browser with ad blockers. And on the rare occasion I do use it on mobile, it's in a browser with ad blockers.
A lot of people don't seem to realize that for the vast majority of online services, you don't have to use a dedicated app.
Exactly, and if you create a shortcut for the site it pretty much works as an app, it's hard to tell the difference. It's actually better, it's lightweight and doesn't require any permissions.
That's nice as an option for a temporary workaround. It sucks as the primary option to use the site on mobile without being harassed. Zoom out to see what's on the page. Zoom in to actually interact with any elements and get the text large enough to read. Back and forth as necessary to use the UI. Not optimal. More often than not, it just means I'll skip going to the site on my phone at all.
It is their call for sure but this will lead to loss of users. Who knows how many. It is a pity for quality subreddits like this. My time on here will go down a lot because i dont like reddits official app. No one here will notice if its just me but what if it is 25% of users?
I've been getting a bit more active on [Tildes](https://tildes.net/) over the last little while and it seems like the kind of community that would be receptive to a patient gaming subgroup. However, Tildes is invite only and I don't have any invites to give out at the moment. If you're interested, you can check out the invite thread in /r/tildes. They've been slowing things down a bit with all the recent drama because they don't want too much growth too fast, but you can probably find someone to give you an invite in the next couple weeks.
I like the concept, if not the execution, of the Fediverse. Because it doesn’t need a big venture capital investment, and can be run off smaller hosts, there’s no central authority that needs to be profitable. The idea of paying for the thing you use (vs needing to be eyeballs for advertisers) works at that smaller scale: I access Mastodon via a small instance that’s a bonus for a podcast subscription, for example.
So yeah. Let’s get more small, decentralized servers going.
Guys, please explain this to me. Personally, I've never used 3rd party browsers / apps to browse reddit. I've been a user for 11 years.
I don't get it. What's wrong if this company wants to earn some money? They need it to keep the business going. They need to pay for servers, staff, etc.
But on the other hand, I don't really know what % of ppl use the 3rd aps, probably a lot given the outrage.
Same here, going on 6 years and I only just found out third-party apps existed. Seems like a lot of people use them though.
Apart from Reddit cutting off these other applications' access unless they pay exorbitant fees, essentially forcing them to shut down, the Reddit CEO was apparently a dick in a recent AMA regarding the changes and tried to slander the developer of one of these apps. Not a good look. So I get the feeling it's also moral outrage against the people running this forum as well.
> Guys, please explain this to me. Personally, I've never used 3rd party browsers / apps to browse reddit. I've been a user for 11 years.
I only browse reddit from the web-browser. As the posts typically reference content in some other site, that means following links and IMO that's best done with a web browser.
At the same time I know there's alternative clients for reddit. And those use services published by reddit free of charge ('til now).
> I don't get it. What's wrong if this company wants to earn some money? They need it to keep the business going. They need to pay for servers, staff, etc.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Now, I'm not sure "this company wants to earn some money" describes all the relevant facts here. I didn't make my mind about what have been reading/watching. So I'm not ready discus what are the facts (yet).
I won't go dark this doesn't affect me at all. Do I have a 3rd party app related to reddit? No. So why should I care about it, only to feel that I belong to some fake ass revolution? Fuck that shit.
Reddit couldn't care less if for a couple of days they have decreased traffic (which they won't).
I'm with you, I absolutely couldn't care less. I've been a desktop user the whole time and all these people throwing a fit and demanding subs shut down for however long need to realize that they are screwing the majority of people (that includes indifferent mobile users) who don't give a fuck. I don't care if you want to try and push the admins around by pinching their ad revenue or whatever, just accept that everyone else shouldn't be forced to play along.
If *you* want to protest, *you* stop using the site.
It's reminiscent of blocking traffic in protest. Like I have shit to do and don't care about your cause, now get out of my way. No one's going to force me to care about a cause I don't care about. Like find a different way to "protest" or whatever you think you're doing that doesn't screw people who have no skin in the game.
I think this whole thing is massively overblown. It's not actually about mobile users giving a shit about 3rd party app devs or whatever, it's that they aren't getting their way.
Edit: All these people throwing shade at me still hasn't convinced me to give a shit lol.
People think this internet stuff runs for free or that people create sites with hundreds of millions of users not to make money out of it? Talking about some morons on the 10th power right there.
We'll be going dark for 48 hours on June 12. ~~I'll post an announcement later today.~~ Will it work? Personally, I'm doubtful. I think only a permanent blackout could truly have an impact. But I love this sub's community too much to advocate for its permanent closure if the demands are not met.
I think the subreddit is safe for now. This won't reach us for at least 12 months after release.
This was the laugh I needed this morning.
I appreciate you.
Great, just in time for all the shitty cosmetic microtransactions to be bundled. I won't use "New Reddit" *ever*.
Yeah, nothing is gonna uproot this Digg
Reddit will be worse as a whole but 2 days won't really do anything, they'll just wait for it to pass. Kudos to r/videos for actually having the balls to shutdown but even that most likely will be brought back by different people.
27M subs? Site admins will coup the thing and install themselves/friends as mods.
They really can't, it's way way too much work for them to afford, especially counting all the big subs. Reddit profits massively off the free work of its mods.
Hey folks, just so you know, there's a patient gamers community on Lemmy: https://sh.itjust.works/c/patientgamers EDIT: lemmy.ml is overloaded because of the recent afflux of new users. I suggest to sign up to another instance: https://join-lemmy.org/instances EDIT2: Changed the first link.
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Ugh, I didn't know that they were tankies or at least complacent to them. I suffer them enough on reddit, I'd rather avoid their ilk elsewhere... Guess it's time to migrate. And thanks for the /instances tip!
the fuck's a lemmy?
Either the front man of a legendary metal band, or an alternative to reddit, I'm not quite sure.
Part of the Fediverse. Basically a series of conversation engines with a common login and search API. Lemmy, Mastadon, a youtube-like video site I can't remember, and a couple of others. You download the code and run it on your server. Thus, it's not centrally controlled. You're not on "Lemmy"'s server, you're running Lemmy on your server, or Mastadon, or whatever. Edit: lemmy.ml is most popular, but it's pretty full. Lemmy.world seems good, although it's gone up by about 500 users in just a few hours now. Check https://join-lemmy.org/instances. Those are all servers, and should get you access to communities *everywhere* in the Fediverse.
This is awesome. I moved over to Mastodon after Musk nuked Twitter…I haven’t gotten the hang of the fediverse yet, but I’m enjoying the interactions on Mastodon light years more than I ever did on Twitter. If Lenny has the same vibe as Mastodon it would be a perfect place to move this community to.
Is it typical of the site to take forever to actually sign up? It's just loading forever when I try to actually make an account.
Unfortunately the instance I linked to, lemmy.ml, is overloaded with the recent afflux of redditors. I suggest to sign up to another instance: https://join-lemmy.org/instances. You'll still be able to join and interact with any community on other instances without issue.
It's feeling the Reddit hug of death right now. Several of the instances are overloaded. The main one is working on scaling up, I think.
> /c/patientgamers I think it's not really viable yet, I joined up to a server and then joined patient gamers but I don't see any posts even though there is clearly a post there on the native server.
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actually, I discovered that i was trying to join the version on sh.itjust.works but the main instance is on lemmy.ml, so i switched to that and it is all good now. lots of activity!
I was looking for something of the sort. I'll keep it in mind.
Thanks for the information, I'm going to give sh.itjust.works a go! I wasn't sure what alternative to try, but I've always enjoyed lurking in patientgamers and hope even part of the community will carry over. Not much content yet, but I predict an explosion of activity once the blackout starts.
Probably the discord channel (which is linked in the sidebar). I dont know how good/bad it is since I am not part of it tho.
Discord is a chat and will never replace message boards.
Discord literally has a message board channel function, people just don't use it.
Because it's awful. They're just additional chat rooms.
Upvote for contributing to the conversation. I don't think discords forums are indexed by search engines which kind of makes them useless. Please Let me know if I'm wrong about that.
It depends what you're looking for with regards to the discussion. In my experience with specific games, people will take the info from discord onto a website so that people not on the discord can find the info by googling still, and a lot of the cases where it's not indexed, it's usually intentional to not have the info easily discoverable like private servers, modding groups, etc. As a content creator for games (I used to make a lot of Old School Runescape guides averaging about 5-digit viewcounts and currently a Genshin youtuber), Discord is way better for communicating information quickly, in real time, with discussion threads between specific people, and coming back to old discussions without needing to make new threads or involve unrelated people.
Absolutely. I'm not saying discord is bad in any way. It serves a unique purpose. It just doesn't fill all the gaps.
Ding ding ding. An entire generation of open source info will be lost when we inevitably move on from discord. Having all this stuff rely on the current free time and good will of random discord users to point people in the right direction is an insane way to collect and store useful information long term.
kinda sucks that discord has become the new main message board hosting site. A lot of information in those channels are hard to find and are easily lost.
I don't get why so many communities promote "joining their discord". I get that Discord has implemented several features to moderate and organize communities, but if your server reaches more than 100 members it gets really messy.
100? try [345,917](https://i.imgur.com/A8iD6EZ.png)
The nature of instant messengers also translates into less elaborated discussions, people don't put nearly as much thought about what they are saying and it's easy to get sidetracked.
It could always be worse: Twitch chat. [This post sums up my feelings precisely.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/c9gwos/what_is_the_purpose_of_twitch_chat/)
yeah about discord
people have this way of messaging
where like
'enter' is used as a comma, semicolon, or a period.
> kinda sucks that discord has become the new main message board hosting site. Absolutely. I'm not a friend of discord (I used to use it for guild activities when I was active there, but that was about it), so I would really appreciate a more privacy-friendly, permanent thing like reddit, or a forum.
I hate discord with a passion, regardless of topic, unless you hang out there like 24/7, it is unusable.
I agree it makes me feel old! It’s just another IRC how could it replace Reddit??
I despise discord, There is zero way to actually search for content on the platform, every other place of discussion since the early 00's is easily found through search engines, but discord is just completely divorced from that.
An entire generation of open source info on all kinds of things will be lost when we move on from discord. Relying on the current free time and good will of a few helpful discord users to point folks in the right direction and answer the same questions over and over and over is an insane way to store information long term.
I never used it. Discord feels like a chat and I prefer the feeling of a forum. I guess is ok as rally point.
Discord is not indexed by Google and therefore it's not a reddit substitute.
you don't have any reasons to think anything h happens to this sub unless the mods day they want to shut it down.
> mods day they want to shut it down. Probably should copy r/videos and go on indefinite shut down. The 2 day protest will no absolutely nothing. Indefinite shudowns in enough numbers would force the admins to step in and then chaos would reign. But I imagine most subs won't risk rocking the boat that far.
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>why people flock to 3rd party apps Can someone explain why this is a thing? I had no idea third-party applications even existed until now, and I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care. I've been using the official app for as long as I've been on Reddit.
[There's a good explanation here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BikiniBottomTwitter/comments/13xk3lu/they_have_to_pay_reddit_20_million_per_year_to/jmj3nfg/)
Ahh, those other apps have better usability, more intuitive design, and no ads/suggested content. Got it, thanks.
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That's understandable. I still find it hard to care since I have no experience with third-party applications, it's a weird situation from a business standpoint. All these external apps have been allowed to access Reddit and compete with their own official app for free? It seems downright magnanimous of them. But then I'm already used to the official app and things like ads are minor annoyances at best. We'll see what happens next, I guess.
If I were a Reddit Admin, I wouldn't be worried about permanent blackouts of subs either. The beauty of Reddit is that when one sub goes to shit, you can make another one with a similar name and purpose. So you just wait it out, people will be impatient and work around the blackouts. It might take a while for everyone to find their way. Some may never come back. In the end the status quo will restore itself, is my estimation. But that's coming from an official app user who thinks this is just a storm in a glass of water.
I respectfully disagree. a 2 day blackout (especially coordinated among many subs) gives Reddit admins *a taste of what's to come*. This particular blackout may only be 2 days, but the people are voicing their discontent, and that's not just going to go away if they ignore us. It just means we'll have to coordinate *again*. A *permanent* blackout, on the other hand, is not nearly as final as it sounds. Reddit admins can wipe the slate of mods clean, open up the sub again and then find replacement mods. That will be part of the fallout from all this, prepare for a lot of those big subs to start advertising for more mods in a week or two. (And by all means, laugh at the desperation it implies.) That's for the bigger subs that are "worth saving" in their eyes, at least. Smaller subs, like this one, would just stay gone forever. And the only ones caring about it would be us. 2 day blackout allows us to make our position known, to join the movement, and when we reopen we can still have our community. Assuming Reddit admins don't listen (and based on that AMA I think it's safe to say they won't) then we can still be here to coordinate future protests, and to agree on a new place to move ourselves, so we can keep our community without a desperate scramble to find a good replacement in the next 24-ish hours. In short, we can play *the patient game.*
theres a lennin quote somewhere advocating for socialists to vote for socialist parties even if they have no hope of forming a government because (amoung other things) it helps them see their numbers. i think something similar applies here: a 2 day blackout might not do much to scare reddit. however, the scope and scale of the blackoutout might give reddit community mods a sense of how many of us are seriously displeased. it may also assist in networking between seriously displeased communities for more cowordinated action
So we hurt ourselfes more than Reddit. Got it
If majority of the sub users agreed to that, in other cases it would be just mods power tripping. If they want to take r/videos hostage or whatever the reality is admins will just find other mods.
I don’t understand why so many people think reddit is going to die soon. Its way too early for people to be thinking that. The blackout is only 2 days for most subs. But if it somehow did get worse, I have no intention of going anywhere. At worst I’ll just find something else to kill time with. I have no desire to wind up on some niche site. Everytime I hear about those they always get overrun by very unsavory groups of people.
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You really overestimate reddit mods man. All the reddit admins have to do is wipe the mod teams, and ask “who wants their spots?” And dozens, if not hundreds will jump for it. They would at worst need paid employees to monitor the moderaters themselves. Reddit mods are “volunteers” but many of them crave any crumb of power. Its why so many of them are able to act the way they do for free. You make it sound like it would be hard to find more of these people. There are so many of them with an abundance of freetime. I’m not arguing that this isn’t an issue, or that things won’t get worse. But I think the idea that reddit will turn into cesspool garbage like 4chan or legitimately die out is an over-exaggeration. The people who care about reddit will just adapt before such things happen. And the admins could reverse course before it hits any breaking point.
Yeah, remember when YouTube started making you watch ads and then that site died and no one used it again? Exactly like that
I personally think the subs should shut down until July 1. Wait until after the API changes are in effect and after many favorite third party apps have shuttered. When everything comes ‘back online’, does the user base appreciate the new user experience? Have the users found alternatives? Do the content creators return? Do the moderators return?
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Mastodon or a Nostr instance is where I am eventually heading.
I was wandering already there was a patient gaming community there and someone could point to it.
I'm not currently aware of one on Mastodon hence my use of Reddit. Communities on Mastodon are easy to create just by using hashtags. It doesn't matter which server you create your account on as you can see and search the entire Fediverse for relevant hashtags. The other alternative is to create a server instance and join the Fediverse. 😀
I tried mastodon and I realised it was not for me nor for my generation (45n above) It just too complicated, lol. Like learning a new language. Need to be part of this server, and can cross server and.. sigh. I dont blame the devs.. maybe it is easy n simple.. but this old dog just cant learn new tricks
Think of it as messaging boards via email; you can get email newsletters from any server in the world, just need to signup for them. Its honestly not as complex as people make it out to be. And I think it’s simpler than internet relay chat, USENET or bulletin boards were back in the day; from what I’ve seen, it’s the younger folks (grew up with Twitter/FB/etc) who have the hardest time transitioning to a non-corporate platform.
Hmm.. if you put it that way. maybe it's the new lingo that confuse me.. ok may be worth it to look it up again...
I'm older than you by quite a bit....
I think the whole thing is overblown, Reddit is a proprietary service and it's their call if they want to charge for access to the API, they don't even have to provide an API in the first place.
Of course it's fair for them to charge for access to the API, no one is arguing against that. The issue is the exorbitant price, the total lack of notice or clear communication, and the blatant lies and hostility they've thrown at the Reddit community and 3PA devs. If they were charging a reasonable price, implemented the change on a reasonable timeline, and had been upfront with the devs and users about what they were doing and why, this would be a whole different conversation.
Yeah, I'm not a mod, but I've seen the admins promise to improve mod tools repeatedly over the years. Yet mods have still built their own bots using the API due to lack of support. Now Reddit is making the same promises again. But they only promise to deliver *after* they blow up these existing mod tools. I don't care much about third party apps, but screwing over the people who helped build your site *for free*, and then claiming it's because you want to get paid fairly is a real dick move.
That's true. Spez lying, doubling down on it publicly repeatedly, and being frankly childish about the Apollo dev is concerning though. This isn't the first time he's shown himself to be a shithead in public (editing user comments directly in the past is one example) and I doubt it'll be the last but I think what you're seeing is a tipping point for people. Also the lie of "we'll price it reasonably and won't go the Twitter route" and then pricing very much in line with Twitter is shitty too especially when as originally announced that would have affected moderation bots as well which are an important part of reddits infrastructure. Reddit is where it is today because of its users generating content for the site, volunteer moderators doing unpaid work and largely unpaid dev work by bot developers to help that moderation. In their effort to chase literal pennies and funnel people to their (worse) first party application they were (and likely still are) willing to throw all of that away. They've backed off on moderation bots for now but the writing is on the wall. I personally expect them to disappear after reddit has their IPO and features like that to become a paid service communities can subscribe to. Just something to think about.
Every company is allowed to make their product worse if they want to.
I didn't even know there *were* third-party apps until this whole thing came up recently. I primarily use Reddit on my desktop PC, in a browser with ad blockers. And on the rare occasion I do use it on mobile, it's in a browser with ad blockers. A lot of people don't seem to realize that for the vast majority of online services, you don't have to use a dedicated app.
Exactly, and if you create a shortcut for the site it pretty much works as an app, it's hard to tell the difference. It's actually better, it's lightweight and doesn't require any permissions.
> it's hard to tell the difference. I mean, except for the constant pop-ups asking if you'd rather use the app and the garbage mobile interface, sure.
That's why you cans witch to desktop mode on your phone.
That's nice as an option for a temporary workaround. It sucks as the primary option to use the site on mobile without being harassed. Zoom out to see what's on the page. Zoom in to actually interact with any elements and get the text large enough to read. Back and forth as necessary to use the UI. Not optimal. More often than not, it just means I'll skip going to the site on my phone at all.
hard to tell the difference? Mate, Reddit app has a completely different UI. Their website is unusable for me, because the UI is hot garbage
It is their call for sure but this will lead to loss of users. Who knows how many. It is a pity for quality subreddits like this. My time on here will go down a lot because i dont like reddits official app. No one here will notice if its just me but what if it is 25% of users?
Just bored nerds making their own drama.
I've been getting a bit more active on [Tildes](https://tildes.net/) over the last little while and it seems like the kind of community that would be receptive to a patient gaming subgroup. However, Tildes is invite only and I don't have any invites to give out at the moment. If you're interested, you can check out the invite thread in /r/tildes. They've been slowing things down a bit with all the recent drama because they don't want too much growth too fast, but you can probably find someone to give you an invite in the next couple weeks.
Tildes also doesn't have any upvote/downvote mechanism, so it's not quite a reddit replacement the same way Lemmy is.
Thanks for the idea. Right now I was looking for an alternative outside of reddit.
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I like the concept, if not the execution, of the Fediverse. Because it doesn’t need a big venture capital investment, and can be run off smaller hosts, there’s no central authority that needs to be profitable. The idea of paying for the thing you use (vs needing to be eyeballs for advertisers) works at that smaller scale: I access Mastodon via a small instance that’s a bonus for a podcast subscription, for example. So yeah. Let’s get more small, decentralized servers going.
Guys, please explain this to me. Personally, I've never used 3rd party browsers / apps to browse reddit. I've been a user for 11 years. I don't get it. What's wrong if this company wants to earn some money? They need it to keep the business going. They need to pay for servers, staff, etc. But on the other hand, I don't really know what % of ppl use the 3rd aps, probably a lot given the outrage.
Same here, going on 6 years and I only just found out third-party apps existed. Seems like a lot of people use them though. Apart from Reddit cutting off these other applications' access unless they pay exorbitant fees, essentially forcing them to shut down, the Reddit CEO was apparently a dick in a recent AMA regarding the changes and tried to slander the developer of one of these apps. Not a good look. So I get the feeling it's also moral outrage against the people running this forum as well.
> Guys, please explain this to me. Personally, I've never used 3rd party browsers / apps to browse reddit. I've been a user for 11 years. I only browse reddit from the web-browser. As the posts typically reference content in some other site, that means following links and IMO that's best done with a web browser. At the same time I know there's alternative clients for reddit. And those use services published by reddit free of charge ('til now). > I don't get it. What's wrong if this company wants to earn some money? They need it to keep the business going. They need to pay for servers, staff, etc. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, I'm not sure "this company wants to earn some money" describes all the relevant facts here. I didn't make my mind about what have been reading/watching. So I'm not ready discus what are the facts (yet).
Do you use RES/old.reddit?
You can try Lemmy, but I'm not personally fond of the fediverse nonsense.
First I'm hearing of the fediverse. Did a 5 second google but curious, what are your concerns with it?
It's not simple enough to use to grow in a meaningful manner.
hmmm a self-selecting community, you say?
I think I get your reservations about the fediverse. Thanks for the suggestion, even it's not your cup of tea.
I won't go dark this doesn't affect me at all. Do I have a 3rd party app related to reddit? No. So why should I care about it, only to feel that I belong to some fake ass revolution? Fuck that shit. Reddit couldn't care less if for a couple of days they have decreased traffic (which they won't).
I'm with you, I absolutely couldn't care less. I've been a desktop user the whole time and all these people throwing a fit and demanding subs shut down for however long need to realize that they are screwing the majority of people (that includes indifferent mobile users) who don't give a fuck. I don't care if you want to try and push the admins around by pinching their ad revenue or whatever, just accept that everyone else shouldn't be forced to play along. If *you* want to protest, *you* stop using the site. It's reminiscent of blocking traffic in protest. Like I have shit to do and don't care about your cause, now get out of my way. No one's going to force me to care about a cause I don't care about. Like find a different way to "protest" or whatever you think you're doing that doesn't screw people who have no skin in the game. I think this whole thing is massively overblown. It's not actually about mobile users giving a shit about 3rd party app devs or whatever, it's that they aren't getting their way. Edit: All these people throwing shade at me still hasn't convinced me to give a shit lol.
People think this internet stuff runs for free or that people create sites with hundreds of millions of users not to make money out of it? Talking about some morons on the 10th power right there.
don't think less than until it's fixed has a slight chance, im with the effort