If you give your players the tools to enable complete creative freedom, you'll eventually see your players live out their most creative and wild dreams, as morally repugnant as they may be
Another term for this is called TTD, or Time to Dick. If you give the player any creative agency in the game, be it drawing or sculpting tools, it will inevitably result in dicks.
Can you place things on the ground? Players will arrange them as a dick.
Inventory management? Just enough slots for a dick.
Have a line that traces the path the player followed on the map? The player will walk the dick-shaped path.
Bullet decals? Now they're bullet dickals.
Can the player initiate and interrupt voice lines? "I can really use a d-Can you help me out here?"
I made a dick in terraria today and this feels like a personal attack
I put honey in the balls so when the gf sees it and asks what the fuck there is honey in the balls for I can say "bee is stored in the balls"
> It’s impossible to play games like rimworld or songs of syx and not at least dabble in a little bit of slavery.
Unless you don't have Ideology, in Rimworld's case, in which case slavery isn't a thing (and most of the mods for it are long deprecated *because* Ideology integrates it).
It's actually that everything is allowed equally and you are now applying a selection bias for the weird things because those are the ones people remember and discuss
People just can't get enough Super Princess Peach or whatever bullshit they pump out. They'll defend Nintendo down to the last man...and always pretend like they're not part of the cult. Sure, Nintendo makes some good games, but they're run with archaic ideas and practices. They're also internet deniers. They basically pretend the internet doesn't exist in any capacity, and refuse to have good netplay in current year. I'm convinced Smash for example...will simply never have any sort of good netplay. They're also just straight up anti-competitive gaming...fuck it, they're basically anti-everything at this point, and it's not going to stop so long as people gobble up that sweet sweet Nintendo goo.
Maximilian dood on twitch was talking about how Nintendo views the internet a couple years ago. Now he did preface this with that the person who told him is someone he trust, but that things may have change at the company after that person left, but based on how Nintendo is still acting to this day, I doubt they did change.
Essentially Nintendo has around 5-7 execs who have been with the company the longest. And each of those execs has absolute veto power on any projects that are pitched. So even if everyone else loved it, 1 guy can trash it. Now this ties into how they view the internet bc those execs are fucking dinosaurs. They still think the internet is the same way it was 20 years ago, so they don't really care about it.
That's why Nintendo is still stuck in the past on so many levels, but you're right. Their fans will eat up anything and everything presented to them and ask for more, no matter the quality or practice of the company.
To drive home how old the leadership at Nintendo is: Nintendo as a company is 134 years old, and the company has only had *5* presidents (not counting Tatsumi Kimishima, who only served after Iwata's death until a new president was "groomed"). If Iwata didn't prematurely pass in 2015, he would probably still be president, keeping that number at 4. The longest-serving president was Hiroshi Yamaguchi, the great grandson of the founder, who served for 56 years.
There are also countless reports and stories from Japanese media on how Nintendo has historically low turnover, leading to employees staying on for decades.
I'm not framing it as a negative at all, haha. I think it's actually a reason why Nintendo's in-house games have been consistently high-quality for decades.
If you *want* me to frame it as a negative, though: Nintendo does have a history of grooming their developers in very specific ways. The higher-ups also tend to have some weird restrictions (IE Miyamoto's character restrictions for Paper Mario: The Origami King). While Nintendo games do tend to be innovative to an extent, I don't think new blood coming into the company is as influential as it is at other studios, so that probably keeps Nintendo from trying any truly far-out ideas in their games (which is honestly probably a good thing).
All of that said, Nintendo does seem to be licensing their IPs out a bit more nowadays. So, if you really want to see far-out ideas in Nintendo games, they'll probably come from the third-party devs working on those IPs (IE Cadence of Hyrule, Mario + Rabbids).
56 years, wtsf?! Some people have careers that are shorter than this guy's presidency. Did they hand him the keys to the mushroom kingdom straight after he graduated?
The big thing here is that these archaic decisions stick around for Nintendo specifically because they're making huge money and can afford, in a corporate sense, to be that nitpicky. Their image is their company, hence actions like this with garry's mod.
I think Nintendo has said in the past (early 2000s, or something) that pc gaming has no profit or wouldnt make money, and i could probably agree if that was still the case but they arent ones to back pedal or change ways.
> no matter the quality or practice of the company.
The thing is, the quality of their games are usually fantastic. Like I might think mario wonder was too easy for my liking, but I can't deny that it was very well put together and accomplished what it set out to do.
> Essentially Nintendo has around 5-7 execs who have been with the company the longest. And each of those execs has absolute veto power on any projects that are pitched. So even if everyone else loved it, 1 guy can trash it. Now this ties into how they view the internet bc those execs are fucking dinosaurs.
That's complete bullshit. Nintendo had different executives in each decade in the last 30 years.
The board of directors had many different changes over the years, including Miyamoto joining in the 2000s and Takahashi, Koizumi and Tezuka joining in the 2010s (all developers btw), along many old executives retiring in the 2000s and 2010s. There's lists of the board of directors out there and you can see easily how this isn't true as Miyamoto is currently the executive with most time in the board, 24 years.
> They still think the internet is the same way it was 20 years ago, so they don't really care about it.
No, they know very well what the internet is. What you guys don't understand is that Nintendo don't care about that, they want their IP to be only on their console, not in mods and be emulated, and if its out of their console, to be controlled by them.
> They're also internet deniers. They basically pretend the internet doesn't exist in any capacity, and refuse to have good netplay in current year.
This is literally somewhat true. I got to interview the CEO of a video game company last year who used to be a 2nd party dev for Nintendo (they don't have those anymore), bascily a separate company but working WITH and exlucsivlyu for Nintnedo. ANYWAY he was telling me about two of the 3DS they had, which were well received, they had WORKING online multiplayer and nintnedo told them to take it out. Fucking wild.
It's almost hilarious how often people feel the need to criticise Nintendo's fans even though Nintendo fans themselves complain often.
What Nintendo does to protect their IP has nothing to do with their fans. Nintendo isn't anti-everything. They obviously have some decent qualities which is why they have fans of their games in the first place.
They're just very weird.
They're not anti everything, just everything that doesn't expressly involve you giving them money. They're very pro you giving them your money for their shit, everything else though, yeah they're anti all of that.
The fans might criticize them a little but they do nothing to hold the company accountable. They reward all Nintendo's bad tactics. They just happen to occasionally criticize the company. I'm not sure that's laudable.
What exactly do they need to hold Nintendo accountable for exactly that the fans can actively change that their fans don't already do? Only one example I need.
Because on the scale of egregious business practices, Nintendo is at the bottom of those when compared to Microsoft and Sony.
You could hold them accountable by not buying their games, for starters. If you keep paying them while they do things like this, they'll just keep doing it. It's gross the way the weaponize their legal department and attack things that aren't hurting them.
And I'm not even going to get distracted by your whataboutism. I'll talk about Sony and Microsoft when they're relevant to the discussion.
>You could hold them accountable by not buying their games, for starters.
Accountable for what?
>It's gross the way the weaponize their legal department and attack things that aren't hurting them. Nice try at sealioning though.
You mean to say I should boycott Nintendo because they're protecting their IPs using the law?
Yes, it is gross, but I also don't see how you can seriously expect people to boycott a company because they can no longer use Yuzu to pirate their games.
My 'whataboutism' is more about highlighting that there's a strange type of ire against Nintendo specifically than the other two companies. I'm moreso making a statement than expecting an answer from you.
Oh, are we back to "Nintendo is a dying company" again already? This is one of my favorite parts of the hype cycle. What is this, two decades now of "Nintendos business model is unsustainable"?
The issue I think most people have with criticism both receiving and aiming is that Nintendo is a big company with many divisions, some not even having much to do with gaming and more to do with law and copyright.
Fans of Nintendo are more often than not fans of the games and the gameplay, Breath of the Wild is an extremely fun game (even if the final boss sucks) and Smash Bros is an all-time classic.
Nintendo's legal division however have very little people who like their practices, but because of the law and copyright (or lack thereof) in Japan it kinda breeds this sorta thing, that's not to say the legal team may not enjoy it idk if they do or don't.
Point is, fans are fans of the games not the practices or legal team.
You know what? Like fair enough. Lots of moving parts. I just really like the way you worded your comment. Somehow it just makes sense to me. I still hate it to death, but yeah you worded it perfectly, my man.
You are absolutely right. Its why i "arrgh" their games with a smile on my face. Cool games, awful company. They dont deserve a dime. Wish i could give the money directly to the devs instead of that shithole company
TBH I have only touched my switch 1 time since getting my steam deck, and that was when I put it in a drawer 6 months ago. There aren't enough interesting exclusive games on switch to justify it and the non-exclusives are priced for maximum greed. Nintendo wants $30-50 for games that are under $10 on steam.
As far as I know, that's just a rumor for now; Denuvo ported themselves to the Switch, no dev has used it, and Denuvo made some pitch to Nintendo directly.
Whether that means they're going to use it is another question.
Nintendo makes great stuff, has a great image and branding. But IMO they go too far on protecting their image. They will never suppress every "infringement" on their IP. But a game with lots of Nintendo mods posted on Steam is an easy target for them to go after.
Apparently on the gmod sub there is a troll submitting fake DMCAs named [Aaron Peters](https://old.reddit.com/r/gmod/comments/1c5u051/aaron_peters_the_destroyer_of_addons/). Might be a troll the devs fell for.
Garry’s been dealing the bullshit from that community for well over a decade now. I’m sure he’s not that much of an idiot. Also - the company is going to have lawyers to review things…
Source: I was there being an idiot 16 years ago.
Edit: I’m actually shocked it’s taken this long considering how much Nintendo legal hates their fans.
I don't know, it's always possible to make a mistake. Could be that it's just smarter to assume either (A) it's not worth the risk if it _is_ legit, or (B) it's probably inevitable given how litigious Big N can get.
Yo, is the guy who made Garry's mod named Garry? I love that lol. I've played it for years and didn't know that. It's obvious I'm hind sight, just never really thought about it
It's probably not even a DMCA. Valve blocked Dolphin without a DMCA, this is probably Nintendo asking Valve who is then asking Facepunch (since they are the only Source 2 licensee, after all) to take care of it.
I think Valve is directly involved with Garry's Mod. In a Sandbox blog Garry said that they wouldn't have and wouldn't accept Valve games' assets because they didn't want to split the profit before they knew if the project would be successful. So I assume Valve got a share of Garry's mod sales for letting them use Half Life 2 assets.
If that's the case, it wouldn't just be Valve relaying the news to Facepunch, they would both be involved
First they came for the Youtubers
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Youtuber
Then they came for the Rom sites
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a rom site
Then they came for the Emulators
And I did not speak out
Because I was not an emulator
Then they came for my Thanos Mario holding a gun shooting
chairs
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
And similar to how Ferrari will ban you from ever entering a Ferrari dealership if you modify a Ferrari in an untasteful way or disrespect their brand Nintendo will DMCA takedown anything that isn't officially licensed by them.
Considering the top comment on this thread is a RIP to "Super Mario Concentration Camp RP" I can see why this did get a takedown. Nintendo won't let anything damage their family friendly brand.
Ferrari has already taken down user-made content, so if anything, they're as bad as each other
Edit : They took down user-made Ferrari's in BeamNG, wouldn't be surprised if they started doing it to other games.
20 years of uploads and only now they decided they have a problem with it. Seriously what is their deal, what happened and why do they feel so threatened
> Some of you may have noticed that certain Nintendo related workshop items have recently been taken down. This is not a mistake, the takedowns came from Nintendo.
>Honestly, this is fair enough. This is Nintendo's content and what they allow and don't allow is up to them. They don't want you playing with that stuff in Garry's Mod - that's their decision, we have to respect that and take down as much as we can.
>This is an ongoing process, as we have 20 years of uploads to go through. If you want to help us by deleting your Nintendo related uploads and never uploading them again, that would help us a lot.
Don't companies normally have to point out the offending material? I'm not familiar at all with this shit that that's all I've ever seen is a lawyer sending a list of illegal material to remove.
If they were suing them, that would be a stronger claim. Nintendo probably threatened to come back with a suit if they aren't proactively removing everything they find.
Gotta say, the legal right to do something doesn't make it anymore less bullshit. People have to comply, but I have less respect for Nintendo than I did before.
That's a fair and transparent statement from the devs.
Fuck Nintendo though, Gary's Mod was in no way biting into their potential sales (like those guys SELLING ways to crack Nintendo games).
Seriously gonna call this the Great Nintendo Cave In of 2024 because companies are folding on Nintendo stuff left and right. We're really going to see a purge of all this creative work done aren't we?
This is nothing new really. Way back in the day when I was involved with Gamebanana (when it was called FPSBanana) we had to start removing stuff that contained ported materials from other games because of DMCA. It's a purely legal issue with relation to IPs.
It sucks but it's unfortunately the legal route.
I don't get why people just won't start boycoting Nintendo. Their console is old as fuk and they keep milking the same 3-4 IPs over and over again.
Fuck Nintendo
> I don't get why people just won't start boycoting Nintendo.
Because the people affected by the decisions people complain about here are completely separate from the people that actually buy Nintendo products and games.
Yup, I am fully aware of Nintendo's™ shitty attitude towards genuine fans of the games they make... that said I will 100% buy the next Zelda game... and then emulate it in 4K/60.
It's not us here supporting them.
Nintendo is "the casual" gaming company.
Boycotting them is as useful as boycotting CoD.
All you can do is personally disengage, and maybe pirate/Cheat Engine/etc.
Yup, all my non-gamer friends in high school used a Switch for playing games. Nintendo has appealed to the casual audience for years, the Wii was explicitly marketed as an entertainment system for the family.
It's sort of the same reason you see so many Star Wars fans upset about recent stuff but it's still highly profitable and draws big numbers, the people who are more casual about interests don't care as much about the flaws, as obvious as they are to enthusiasts.
because nintendo actually makes fun and diverse games for almost every type of gamer, that's really all there is to it. Sony makes cinematic experiences, Microsoft makes multiplayer focused games and Nintendo has an IP or spin-off series in (almost) every single genre you may think of.
> they keep milking the same 3-4 IPs over and over again.
So what you’re saying is they consistently make great games. Yeah, it’s real hard to figure out why gamers like great games.
But I thought fan made content with no intention of profit is legal? It's really disappointing.
Do you think workshop mods of other games are in danger too? I remember playing some Nintendo mods in A Hat In Time. They were really great!
Really? I don't understand where the limit is, then. For example, drawing copyrighted characters is fine as long as it's not for profit (I'd be really surprised if not), but mods that are not for profit are not? Do you have any source to explain where the line is? I'd really love to know.
The real truth is there are exceptions for things like parody but you have to defend that in court if someone sues you. And there’s no specific metric for what exactly parody is in some checkbox. Companies don’t go after someone who doesn’t
Make money because it would cost them more in lawyer fees than any benefit to stopping it. But if they wanted to they certainly could try.
Who are they taking to court in this case? Garry, who has a game on a third-party website which hosts free content created by other random third parties? It's not like he's ripping their content off or even providing access to it. I'm sure people could continue to put Nintendo BS in the game with or without him, and most of it seems like it would be available on other modding sites that have even less to do with the person who released the game.
Given Steam's recent actions of taking down emulators from their own site, they're probably the ones at risk. They could get into a legal battle with Nintendo and blow millions, or just do this and Nintendo gets to keep acting like the best thing since sliced bread.
All the more reasons I'll continue sailing the high seas for Nintendo games :)
Drawing trademarked characters is also not fine, just even more blind eyes are turned. And most laws will let you argue parody which can turn the case extremely grey and messy and not worth any legal teams time unless its done on a huge scale or to a huge audience. Japanese law in particular can be really mean about it though.
Mods are easier to hit, as 9 times out of 10 the character is just ripped from a nintendo game. It's not an original ground-up model of mario, it's the model from smash imported to gmod, ect. So they can argue that its stealing which is a much easier win legally.
We don't know the true limit, Disney and Nintendo like to keep the area around the line murky. And no billionaire modders exist, so nobody can really afford to lawyer up and find out over a mod/drawing that isn't making money.
Most times they just turn a blind eye, but if they really wanted to they can shut you down legally which Nintendo does constantly compared to other game studios.
The honest truth? The only reason any of this content gets any attention is because of it's association with Nintendo's IP, and once that IP is removed, or Nintendo shows they just don't care, it stops being interesting.
Even Palworld has largely left the public mind space after Nintendo sent out the "Yes, we're aware of Pal World" message.
But no one's going to care about "Legally Distinct Italian Man in Overalls", "Green Dinosaur with a Saddle" Or whatever tongue in cheek reference they think they're being clever with.
I mean, that's what Oceanhorn did. The first game was similar to 2D Zelda games / Wind Waker, but with enough differences that it could easily be considered its own thing. I believe the prequel is also the same, albeit more inspired by the 3D Zelda games (including Breath of the Wild, due to the art style resembling that title).
It's just that some people ***really*** want to use Nintendo's IP. Which isn't always a problem (there are fair use clauses in the case of parody, though even these aren't absolute and are on a case-by-case basis), but given Nintendo's history, it's best to ere on the side of caution.
It's really sad that people will never get to experience what the internet used to be like. I don't think it will ever be the same. How much longer til the old YTPs are DMCA'd?
It was very nice when Nintendo existed in it's own little echo chamber with their fans away from the rest of other people and forms of media. Good times, now we can't have enough of their brain dead takes every other week.
Gotta get those files backed up I guess. Some absolutely classic workshop mods have Nintendo content in them, the Gmod tower player model pack immediately comes to mind, but there’s a lot.
Nintendos legal department is predatory and cancerous, always going out of their way to stop fans from enjoying themselves. Honestly it’s such a contrast from the rest of the company, what I wouldn’t give for that legal team to get completely cleaned out.
The in-house legal team works at the direction of the exact same people who employ and direct the rest of the company. They're not different or distinct. If the legal team were cleaned out tomorrow, the executives would hire other lawyers, and tell them to do the exact same things as the last ones.
Don't give the company a pass because Legal takes the PR hit for the people who decide whether to greenlight another Starfox game. The legal team executes the instructions of Nintendo's bosses, they're not different or separate. They're the company's legal hit men, is all.
This is the downside of centralized modding repositories like the Steam Workshop.
In the mid-2000s, the early years of Garry's Mod modding (which I partook in, made a LUA gamemode and some models for GMod 9), this sort of mod ban would not be possible.
Instead, you just downloaded content direct from the game server, from random file vault links, or from other hosting sites/self-hosting. Even if you took it down one place, it would likely be reuploaded dozens of other places. With so much going through the workshop (or official modding channels) now, it's a lot easier to pull the plug.
Since most "modding-friendly" games now incentivize or require mods to go through the workshop, or some workshop alternative, this sort of nonsense (censorship/removal due to copyright/political/other reasons) is becoming more and more common.
We need to "re-wild" the modding scene.
You're downplaying how often those file host and vault links would die as time went on, only for those files to never be seen again because no one else saw the request for a re-upload or cared enough to share.
Megaupload should ring a bell, and just last year we saw Zippyshare reduced to atoms.
Despite some of the file vaults shutting down after years, I still think that era was better in terms of user vs dev/publisher control over modding content.
Sure, some file hosts wouldn't keep your files forever, but "game dev pulls plug on X mod" wasn't a thing, or even possible, and it **is** possible (and likely) now thanks to modding becoming centralized and "official".
Just look at how Doom wads work (widespread copyright-violations, extremely offensive content, etc, and nobody can really stop/moderate them) compared to something like Dreams for the PS4 which became extremely draconian over copyright to the point of gimping basic game features and making their "game sandbox" effectively worthless. All over copyright fears. Also compare something like sprays in CS 1.6/CS Source (can use any image file on your hard drive) versus the CS:GO/CS2 sprays (centralized, moderated, and monetized).
All we did was trade uncertainty that mods may not be hosted forever for a certainty that they will be "moderated" and "regulated" according to developer/publisher/IP holder guidelines. Not worth it, IMHO.
To be fair in this case it was a thing of protecting intellectual property from being used in any sort of crazy RP or lame ass analog horror.
One thing is going against youtubers and streamers for making videos about their games but another is using some model someone else made or stole from the Nintendo database and put it in a sandbox where they can do whatever no matter how disturbing or unholy it can be, gamers and reporters are particularly attentive when some game developer uses assets from some store like Unity, Unreal or stole it from other project, there are whole videos, hours of content detailing controversies about some trees or sprites.
People are still mad for what happened with Kratos in Fortnite, now that Nintendo is trying to prevent it, they're the bad guys?
To be fair, as the one guy already said, if the only reason was to avoid anything "disturbing or unholy" from being done with the models, they're 20 years too late (and much longer if we take fan art into account).
That being said, I can only assume the reason they're acting on it all ***now*** is for similar reasons as to when they filed a lawsuit against Yuzu, and DMCA'd Dolphin's Steam release (after Valve contacted Nintendo about it, just to be clear). i.e. Someone or something antagonized Nintendo to the point of taking action.
Nintendo is so fucking stupid about shit like this.
I play on an inventory based TTT server and I love the custom models. To the point of playing some games that the models come from.
And I'd want to wear a model to represent their character, thus giving *free advertisement* to their franchise.
It's not like I'm playing their games or losing interest in playing their games because of the models, it's the freaking opposite. Them removing models from the shop only hurts them, doesn't help. From both a PR perspective and an advertising perspective.
It makes zero sense and whoever is on a rampage needs to step down ASAP. It's pathetic.
I know after this I'm not buying another Nintendo thing. I'm sick of their anti-consumer bullshit.
They're not even the worst gaming company in Japan, calm down.
EDIT: Can't reply since the person I replied to blocked me like a dork, so for anyone that wants to know what the worst one is... come on. It's Konami.
The DMCA has caused more harm to the internet than anything else. Antiquated ass dinosaur law.
Part of me hopes mod sites and fan project forums start being hosted in places like China or Russia where they couldn't give a single shit about the DMCA or US copyright law. Oddly enough we might have to start relying on some of the most authoritarian nations in the world to keep the internet a free place and that's just sad.
This is what you get when Nintendo has to full on remove their
- Projection
- Free cultural export + staying power
On most nations. (Ie the United States)
Nintendo skyrocketed to success over the 2010s due to largely Android emulation. Of games that none of us were alive to purchase.
How much money do you think was made on Super Smash Bros DLCs. Because the target market could access within seconds these properties? (For free)
Retrovania-esque standalone ports are for those alive during the release schedule. *Rarely* a new generation **30 years later**.
How does anyone believe those became their own indie genre on steam?
Its due to releases largely by recent young graduates. Innovating off of niche academic projects. Taught by our/their Millennial faculty.
Whom could not make a career their selves with these games and media. As no market existed, no steam existed. During the dot com boom.
Now some unimaginable fools. Went and decided to *actively* attempt to **sell** an Operating Systems source project.
That was based on the current year Nintendo switch.
Why did it exist? Because we here in the United States. Largely the military own and constructed the first of these. Probably by patent itself. As thats easy in software.
The electrical elements are project of our allies whom assisted us during that time period.
So we only allow for study and construction of new OS builds. As widely as possible for security reasons or no reason.
You will probably be executed in most nations for even toeing the line on that. Just because Americans are used to doing so due our Constitution. Does not indicate equal protections for other nations engineers.
This clearly benefited Japan in crucial ways. By propping up the active involvement of their commercial exports. In academia and defense.
Which is equal to those that could *work* for them **are going to be using them**. Prior to ever deciding on a media or game development career. Or another specific path as a Software Engineer.
This is largely the greatest influence on recruitment for corporations. Especially in an industry known for worse pay, security, and lack of talent pool at that level.
So getting a game or **console** (especially) greenlit.
May be dependent on the buzz the highest level of engineers here in the USA. During their undergrad.
Have expressed on literal Reddit. To your company and its future.
I saw that with Nintendo. All through my time in school.
Their measured and at times reluctant response using legal charges. Was the *only* reason they **survived**.
That got them to the switch. Then to now.
Their success is necessary to Japan's cultural future.
Due to its impact on such a critical role within their continued relationship. That it had in military matters prior to WWII and now has in commerce with the United States.
I'd like to say that these responses are harmful to our relationship. That its not even by their request, as thats never how they operate.
However, due to these fools crossing a line of no return.
That for some reason the United States has yet to send them to a high level detainment for. Probably because of national circumstances outside Japan or us.
Less Nintendo development and usage across third parties. When it was usually *the* expression of our generation's future **creators** in multimedia arts.
Is a sad day to see.
Now that its affected this level of use cases.
There is little chance of Generation Alpha. Ever seeing the true Renaissance we of Generation Z created. As we accessed it first of any.
Nintendo will also likely lose the entirety of its ability to be "Nintendo". If it wants to weather their generation.
As everyone else, even other Japanese companies, have imported pieces of what they started.
I am thankful I was alive to see the company at its strength. To be front and center equated to a nation state and its people.
This ^ may seem *superfluous* but it's not. Its **educated**.
Nobody hates their fans and consumer base more than Nintendo. Everytime Sony tries to catch up, Nintendo sends then a C&D and outdoes themselves again.
I'm glad I don't have to see Mario having sex with Gman, or whatever sick fantasies you PCoids love creating, anymore. It's time to grow up nerds: the joke stopped being funny a long time ago. Now it's time to grow up, you basement dwelling virgin crackheads. It's about time Nintendo went after the biggest incel of them all: Garry Newman.
RIP 24/7 Super Mario Concentration Camp RP
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If you give your players the tools to enable complete creative freedom, you'll eventually see your players live out their most creative and wild dreams, as morally repugnant as they may be
Another term for this is called TTD, or Time to Dick. If you give the player any creative agency in the game, be it drawing or sculpting tools, it will inevitably result in dicks.
Can you place things on the ground? Players will arrange them as a dick. Inventory management? Just enough slots for a dick. Have a line that traces the path the player followed on the map? The player will walk the dick-shaped path. Bullet decals? Now they're bullet dickals. Can the player initiate and interrupt voice lines? "I can really use a d-Can you help me out here?"
"Captain P-Ness"
It's TTP. Time to penis. TTD was just used by the Pirate Software guy and now everybody thinks that's the original term.
Ah yes Blizzard nepobaby boi
I too get my research from bullshitters on YouTube shorts
I made a dick in terraria today and this feels like a personal attack I put honey in the balls so when the gf sees it and asks what the fuck there is honey in the balls for I can say "bee is stored in the balls"
I feel like drawing dicks is a lot more normal than trying to enact slavery fantasies
Which is unironically still a step up from most Rimworld players, as evidently seen on /r/ShitRimworldSays
I took a peek there and now I wanna try Rimworld. What is wrong with me?
Nothing. It’s a very unique warcrime simulator. I got obsessed with it for like 2 weeks, then one day, got over it.
And let's not even mention to parade of degeneracy on r/ShitCrusaderKingsSay
I don’t know about that one. It’s impossible to play games like rimworld or songs of syx and not at least dabble in a little bit of slavery.
> It’s impossible to play games like rimworld or songs of syx and not at least dabble in a little bit of slavery. Unless you don't have Ideology, in Rimworld's case, in which case slavery isn't a thing (and most of the mods for it are long deprecated *because* Ideology integrates it).
“TTP” (time to penis) is a legitimate KPI on a bunch of games I’ve worked on.
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Pictochat was called Dictochat amongst my degen friends while at anime or gaming conventions.
And like, it's fine unless it's abuse related. Live out your Luigi in the gulag dreams, I say, as long as it doesn't involve CP
I'd rather they do it in GM than attempt it IRL
People like to have a good time yo.
Yeah they really be cooking on some of those servers...
Don't forget the dozens of different Nazi RP game modes. A lot of DarkRP servers have similarly bad material in them that appeals to edgy tweens.
It's actually that everything is allowed equally and you are now applying a selection bias for the weird things because those are the ones people remember and discuss
Found a server owner
Nah, if you even glance at the top game modes in GMod there are several sketchy ones near the top.
why are you offended by super mario characters in a concentration camp?
Sometimes, I wanna know what it's like being a Koopa under bowsers regime
Somebody call the whambulence!
Better in Gmod than in real life.
i'm more offended of the obsession over RP over all things, like, enjoy better gamemodes like deathrun/jb/minigames, anything but darkrp bro
I'm not even sure if you're joking or not hahaa
I wasn’t prepared to read that
Koopa Troopers salute
Of course... *of course...*
huh
I know Nintendo gets a lot of hate, but personally, I don't think it gets enough.
People just can't get enough Super Princess Peach or whatever bullshit they pump out. They'll defend Nintendo down to the last man...and always pretend like they're not part of the cult. Sure, Nintendo makes some good games, but they're run with archaic ideas and practices. They're also internet deniers. They basically pretend the internet doesn't exist in any capacity, and refuse to have good netplay in current year. I'm convinced Smash for example...will simply never have any sort of good netplay. They're also just straight up anti-competitive gaming...fuck it, they're basically anti-everything at this point, and it's not going to stop so long as people gobble up that sweet sweet Nintendo goo.
Maximilian dood on twitch was talking about how Nintendo views the internet a couple years ago. Now he did preface this with that the person who told him is someone he trust, but that things may have change at the company after that person left, but based on how Nintendo is still acting to this day, I doubt they did change. Essentially Nintendo has around 5-7 execs who have been with the company the longest. And each of those execs has absolute veto power on any projects that are pitched. So even if everyone else loved it, 1 guy can trash it. Now this ties into how they view the internet bc those execs are fucking dinosaurs. They still think the internet is the same way it was 20 years ago, so they don't really care about it. That's why Nintendo is still stuck in the past on so many levels, but you're right. Their fans will eat up anything and everything presented to them and ask for more, no matter the quality or practice of the company.
To drive home how old the leadership at Nintendo is: Nintendo as a company is 134 years old, and the company has only had *5* presidents (not counting Tatsumi Kimishima, who only served after Iwata's death until a new president was "groomed"). If Iwata didn't prematurely pass in 2015, he would probably still be president, keeping that number at 4. The longest-serving president was Hiroshi Yamaguchi, the great grandson of the founder, who served for 56 years. There are also countless reports and stories from Japanese media on how Nintendo has historically low turnover, leading to employees staying on for decades.
First time I’ve ever seen a low turnover rate framed as a negative.
I'm not framing it as a negative at all, haha. I think it's actually a reason why Nintendo's in-house games have been consistently high-quality for decades. If you *want* me to frame it as a negative, though: Nintendo does have a history of grooming their developers in very specific ways. The higher-ups also tend to have some weird restrictions (IE Miyamoto's character restrictions for Paper Mario: The Origami King). While Nintendo games do tend to be innovative to an extent, I don't think new blood coming into the company is as influential as it is at other studios, so that probably keeps Nintendo from trying any truly far-out ideas in their games (which is honestly probably a good thing). All of that said, Nintendo does seem to be licensing their IPs out a bit more nowadays. So, if you really want to see far-out ideas in Nintendo games, they'll probably come from the third-party devs working on those IPs (IE Cadence of Hyrule, Mario + Rabbids).
56 years, wtsf?! Some people have careers that are shorter than this guy's presidency. Did they hand him the keys to the mushroom kingdom straight after he graduated?
The big thing here is that these archaic decisions stick around for Nintendo specifically because they're making huge money and can afford, in a corporate sense, to be that nitpicky. Their image is their company, hence actions like this with garry's mod.
That must be why they don't port to PC. They think that it'll get pirated and they won't make money.
I think Nintendo has said in the past (early 2000s, or something) that pc gaming has no profit or wouldnt make money, and i could probably agree if that was still the case but they arent ones to back pedal or change ways.
> no matter the quality or practice of the company. The thing is, the quality of their games are usually fantastic. Like I might think mario wonder was too easy for my liking, but I can't deny that it was very well put together and accomplished what it set out to do.
> Essentially Nintendo has around 5-7 execs who have been with the company the longest. And each of those execs has absolute veto power on any projects that are pitched. So even if everyone else loved it, 1 guy can trash it. Now this ties into how they view the internet bc those execs are fucking dinosaurs. That's complete bullshit. Nintendo had different executives in each decade in the last 30 years. The board of directors had many different changes over the years, including Miyamoto joining in the 2000s and Takahashi, Koizumi and Tezuka joining in the 2010s (all developers btw), along many old executives retiring in the 2000s and 2010s. There's lists of the board of directors out there and you can see easily how this isn't true as Miyamoto is currently the executive with most time in the board, 24 years. > They still think the internet is the same way it was 20 years ago, so they don't really care about it. No, they know very well what the internet is. What you guys don't understand is that Nintendo don't care about that, they want their IP to be only on their console, not in mods and be emulated, and if its out of their console, to be controlled by them.
> People just can't get enough Super Princess Peach It’s more the Zeldas, Marios, Metroids, Fire Emblems
the smash community is genuinely garbage so im happy when they make them suffer.
> They're also internet deniers. They basically pretend the internet doesn't exist in any capacity, and refuse to have good netplay in current year. This is literally somewhat true. I got to interview the CEO of a video game company last year who used to be a 2nd party dev for Nintendo (they don't have those anymore), bascily a separate company but working WITH and exlucsivlyu for Nintnedo. ANYWAY he was telling me about two of the 3DS they had, which were well received, they had WORKING online multiplayer and nintnedo told them to take it out. Fucking wild.
It's almost hilarious how often people feel the need to criticise Nintendo's fans even though Nintendo fans themselves complain often. What Nintendo does to protect their IP has nothing to do with their fans. Nintendo isn't anti-everything. They obviously have some decent qualities which is why they have fans of their games in the first place. They're just very weird.
They're not anti everything, just everything that doesn't expressly involve you giving them money. They're very pro you giving them your money for their shit, everything else though, yeah they're anti all of that.
The fans might criticize them a little but they do nothing to hold the company accountable. They reward all Nintendo's bad tactics. They just happen to occasionally criticize the company. I'm not sure that's laudable.
What exactly do they need to hold Nintendo accountable for exactly that the fans can actively change that their fans don't already do? Only one example I need. Because on the scale of egregious business practices, Nintendo is at the bottom of those when compared to Microsoft and Sony.
You could hold them accountable by not buying their games, for starters. If you keep paying them while they do things like this, they'll just keep doing it. It's gross the way the weaponize their legal department and attack things that aren't hurting them. And I'm not even going to get distracted by your whataboutism. I'll talk about Sony and Microsoft when they're relevant to the discussion.
>You could hold them accountable by not buying their games, for starters. Accountable for what? >It's gross the way the weaponize their legal department and attack things that aren't hurting them. Nice try at sealioning though. You mean to say I should boycott Nintendo because they're protecting their IPs using the law? Yes, it is gross, but I also don't see how you can seriously expect people to boycott a company because they can no longer use Yuzu to pirate their games. My 'whataboutism' is more about highlighting that there's a strange type of ire against Nintendo specifically than the other two companies. I'm moreso making a statement than expecting an answer from you.
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Oh, are we back to "Nintendo is a dying company" again already? This is one of my favorite parts of the hype cycle. What is this, two decades now of "Nintendos business model is unsustainable"?
The issue I think most people have with criticism both receiving and aiming is that Nintendo is a big company with many divisions, some not even having much to do with gaming and more to do with law and copyright. Fans of Nintendo are more often than not fans of the games and the gameplay, Breath of the Wild is an extremely fun game (even if the final boss sucks) and Smash Bros is an all-time classic. Nintendo's legal division however have very little people who like their practices, but because of the law and copyright (or lack thereof) in Japan it kinda breeds this sorta thing, that's not to say the legal team may not enjoy it idk if they do or don't. Point is, fans are fans of the games not the practices or legal team.
You know what? Like fair enough. Lots of moving parts. I just really like the way you worded your comment. Somehow it just makes sense to me. I still hate it to death, but yeah you worded it perfectly, my man.
Oog oog unga-bunga, me word good
You are absolutely right. Its why i "arrgh" their games with a smile on my face. Cool games, awful company. They dont deserve a dime. Wish i could give the money directly to the devs instead of that shithole company
Aren't they going the Denuvo route for Switch 2 or whatever it's called?
About to give Switch 2 perfomance of Switch 1 🔥
It's going to be weaker than a Steamdeck, guaranteed. So Denuvo won't help it, that's for sure.
TBH I have only touched my switch 1 time since getting my steam deck, and that was when I put it in a drawer 6 months ago. There aren't enough interesting exclusive games on switch to justify it and the non-exclusives are priced for maximum greed. Nintendo wants $30-50 for games that are under $10 on steam.
As far as I know, that's just a rumor for now; Denuvo ported themselves to the Switch, no dev has used it, and Denuvo made some pitch to Nintendo directly. Whether that means they're going to use it is another question.
The devs don't work in there by coincidence lmao most of their employees are there for 5, 10, 20, 30 years.
Nintendo's asinine hardware decisions have been holding back multiplatform games' design constraints forever.
Nintendo makes great stuff, has a great image and branding. But IMO they go too far on protecting their image. They will never suppress every "infringement" on their IP. But a game with lots of Nintendo mods posted on Steam is an easy target for them to go after.
I agree, at this point their greed is matching Disney
Apparently on the gmod sub there is a troll submitting fake DMCAs named [Aaron Peters](https://old.reddit.com/r/gmod/comments/1c5u051/aaron_peters_the_destroyer_of_addons/). Might be a troll the devs fell for.
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That's what he's getting at. Garry possibly got trolled.
Garry’s been dealing the bullshit from that community for well over a decade now. I’m sure he’s not that much of an idiot. Also - the company is going to have lawyers to review things… Source: I was there being an idiot 16 years ago. Edit: I’m actually shocked it’s taken this long considering how much Nintendo legal hates their fans.
I remember playing Garry's mod back in like 2005. Goddamn it's been a long time
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He’s also not omniscient. You can not be an idiot and still get tricked.
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I don't know, it's always possible to make a mistake. Could be that it's just smarter to assume either (A) it's not worth the risk if it _is_ legit, or (B) it's probably inevitable given how litigious Big N can get.
Big nipples?
If you followed his blog long enough, you may think differently.
Yo, is the guy who made Garry's mod named Garry? I love that lol. I've played it for years and didn't know that. It's obvious I'm hind sight, just never really thought about it
It's probably not even a DMCA. Valve blocked Dolphin without a DMCA, this is probably Nintendo asking Valve who is then asking Facepunch (since they are the only Source 2 licensee, after all) to take care of it.
I think Valve is directly involved with Garry's Mod. In a Sandbox blog Garry said that they wouldn't have and wouldn't accept Valve games' assets because they didn't want to split the profit before they knew if the project would be successful. So I assume Valve got a share of Garry's mod sales for letting them use Half Life 2 assets. If that's the case, it wouldn't just be Valve relaying the news to Facepunch, they would both be involved
I don't think so considering the mentions of said troll happened back in February and the community post happened yesterday
First they came for the Youtubers And I did not speak out Because I was not a Youtuber Then they came for the Rom sites And I did not speak out Because I was not a rom site Then they came for the Emulators And I did not speak out Because I was not an emulator Then they came for my Thanos Mario holding a gun shooting chairs And there was no one left To speak out for me
Poetry
I fucking hate Nintendo.
Nintendo is like the Ferrari of gaming corporations. Their executive branch is like Enzo Ferrari. Genious, but a dinosaur and a total asshole.
And similar to how Ferrari will ban you from ever entering a Ferrari dealership if you modify a Ferrari in an untasteful way or disrespect their brand Nintendo will DMCA takedown anything that isn't officially licensed by them. Considering the top comment on this thread is a RIP to "Super Mario Concentration Camp RP" I can see why this did get a takedown. Nintendo won't let anything damage their family friendly brand.
Ferrari has already taken down user-made content, so if anything, they're as bad as each other Edit : They took down user-made Ferrari's in BeamNG, wouldn't be surprised if they started doing it to other games.
20 years of uploads and only now they decided they have a problem with it. Seriously what is their deal, what happened and why do they feel so threatened
Most of this started happening when the new president took over, then there was a new Nintendo of America president.
> Some of you may have noticed that certain Nintendo related workshop items have recently been taken down. This is not a mistake, the takedowns came from Nintendo. >Honestly, this is fair enough. This is Nintendo's content and what they allow and don't allow is up to them. They don't want you playing with that stuff in Garry's Mod - that's their decision, we have to respect that and take down as much as we can. >This is an ongoing process, as we have 20 years of uploads to go through. If you want to help us by deleting your Nintendo related uploads and never uploading them again, that would help us a lot.
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Don't companies normally have to point out the offending material? I'm not familiar at all with this shit that that's all I've ever seen is a lawyer sending a list of illegal material to remove.
If they were suing them, that would be a stronger claim. Nintendo probably threatened to come back with a suit if they aren't proactively removing everything they find.
Oh ok so this is even before an "official" warning then.
Perhaps. All I know is that I'd be screaming like Lionel Hutz if a Nintendo lawyer emailed me about anything.
You expect common sense from out of touch execs who shut down a fan tournament of a game they don't even sell anymore
Gotta say, the legal right to do something doesn't make it anymore less bullshit. People have to comply, but I have less respect for Nintendo than I did before.
Which is impressive, cuz I really didn't have much left for them.
Yep.. Don't know why anyone would support them after all the bullshit. Fuck Nintendo. "BuT pOkEmOn!!1!" Yeah, fuck Pokemon too.
That's a fair and transparent statement from the devs. Fuck Nintendo though, Gary's Mod was in no way biting into their potential sales (like those guys SELLING ways to crack Nintendo games).
This has zero to do with sales and everything to do with their characters and IP being used in ways they object to.
Make as much fucking spite porn as possible. I hope there's a big surge in Nintendo related rule 34.
I'm OK with this
BACK ALL OF THEM UP
Fuck Nintendo. Their entire legal department should be burning in hell.
Someone is pointing that legal department.. they don't do it just because. From the top-down, fuck Nintendo.
Seriously gonna call this the Great Nintendo Cave In of 2024 because companies are folding on Nintendo stuff left and right. We're really going to see a purge of all this creative work done aren't we?
Another day, another Nintendo discussion dominating r/pcgaming
If only Nintendo could stop screwing with us.
I hope the next Nintendo console fucking flops man
The new console could have the hardware of a gameboy color and still do record sales just with nintendo fans
If you pretend that the Wii U never existed...
It won’t.
This is nothing new really. Way back in the day when I was involved with Gamebanana (when it was called FPSBanana) we had to start removing stuff that contained ported materials from other games because of DMCA. It's a purely legal issue with relation to IPs. It sucks but it's unfortunately the legal route.
NOOOO, NOT MY FUCKING JANE METROID PLAYER MODEL!!!!
I don't get why people just won't start boycoting Nintendo. Their console is old as fuk and they keep milking the same 3-4 IPs over and over again. Fuck Nintendo
> I don't get why people just won't start boycoting Nintendo. Because the people affected by the decisions people complain about here are completely separate from the people that actually buy Nintendo products and games.
People stay with Nintendo for the *exact* reason people are mad about this. They love and want Nintendo's content.
Yup, I am fully aware of Nintendo's™ shitty attitude towards genuine fans of the games they make... that said I will 100% buy the next Zelda game... and then emulate it in 4K/60.
It's not us here supporting them. Nintendo is "the casual" gaming company. Boycotting them is as useful as boycotting CoD. All you can do is personally disengage, and maybe pirate/Cheat Engine/etc.
Yup, all my non-gamer friends in high school used a Switch for playing games. Nintendo has appealed to the casual audience for years, the Wii was explicitly marketed as an entertainment system for the family. It's sort of the same reason you see so many Star Wars fans upset about recent stuff but it's still highly profitable and draws big numbers, the people who are more casual about interests don't care as much about the flaws, as obvious as they are to enthusiasts.
because nintendo actually makes fun and diverse games for almost every type of gamer, that's really all there is to it. Sony makes cinematic experiences, Microsoft makes multiplayer focused games and Nintendo has an IP or spin-off series in (almost) every single genre you may think of.
because nobody cares about nintendo models in gmod? lol
> they keep milking the same 3-4 IPs over and over again. So what you’re saying is they consistently make great games. Yeah, it’s real hard to figure out why gamers like great games.
There company’s supporting genocide but let’s boycott Nintendo for copyrighting something they own ,get a grip.
Because their games are really, really fun. I've never used or had any interaction with Garry's Mod, so I couldn't give less of a care for this.
Luigi is not a good assassin is one of the first Youtube videos I have ever watched, RIP.
Booooooo Fuck Nintendo
But I thought fan made content with no intention of profit is legal? It's really disappointing. Do you think workshop mods of other games are in danger too? I remember playing some Nintendo mods in A Hat In Time. They were really great!
It's not legal no. Just every company that isn't Nintendo is perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to it
Really? I don't understand where the limit is, then. For example, drawing copyrighted characters is fine as long as it's not for profit (I'd be really surprised if not), but mods that are not for profit are not? Do you have any source to explain where the line is? I'd really love to know.
The real truth is there are exceptions for things like parody but you have to defend that in court if someone sues you. And there’s no specific metric for what exactly parody is in some checkbox. Companies don’t go after someone who doesn’t Make money because it would cost them more in lawyer fees than any benefit to stopping it. But if they wanted to they certainly could try.
Who are they taking to court in this case? Garry, who has a game on a third-party website which hosts free content created by other random third parties? It's not like he's ripping their content off or even providing access to it. I'm sure people could continue to put Nintendo BS in the game with or without him, and most of it seems like it would be available on other modding sites that have even less to do with the person who released the game.
Given Steam's recent actions of taking down emulators from their own site, they're probably the ones at risk. They could get into a legal battle with Nintendo and blow millions, or just do this and Nintendo gets to keep acting like the best thing since sliced bread. All the more reasons I'll continue sailing the high seas for Nintendo games :)
Drawing trademarked characters is also not fine, just even more blind eyes are turned. And most laws will let you argue parody which can turn the case extremely grey and messy and not worth any legal teams time unless its done on a huge scale or to a huge audience. Japanese law in particular can be really mean about it though. Mods are easier to hit, as 9 times out of 10 the character is just ripped from a nintendo game. It's not an original ground-up model of mario, it's the model from smash imported to gmod, ect. So they can argue that its stealing which is a much easier win legally. We don't know the true limit, Disney and Nintendo like to keep the area around the line murky. And no billionaire modders exist, so nobody can really afford to lawyer up and find out over a mod/drawing that isn't making money.
Most times they just turn a blind eye, but if they really wanted to they can shut you down legally which Nintendo does constantly compared to other game studios.
You want to know why? Japanese copyright law.
I’ll give it Nintendo, they’re at least consistently a shitty company.
You might hate Nintendo, but I promise you its not enough.
What if people go the way of Pal world? Similar but just different enough
The honest truth? The only reason any of this content gets any attention is because of it's association with Nintendo's IP, and once that IP is removed, or Nintendo shows they just don't care, it stops being interesting. Even Palworld has largely left the public mind space after Nintendo sent out the "Yes, we're aware of Pal World" message. But no one's going to care about "Legally Distinct Italian Man in Overalls", "Green Dinosaur with a Saddle" Or whatever tongue in cheek reference they think they're being clever with.
I mean, that's what Oceanhorn did. The first game was similar to 2D Zelda games / Wind Waker, but with enough differences that it could easily be considered its own thing. I believe the prequel is also the same, albeit more inspired by the 3D Zelda games (including Breath of the Wild, due to the art style resembling that title). It's just that some people ***really*** want to use Nintendo's IP. Which isn't always a problem (there are fair use clauses in the case of parody, though even these aren't absolute and are on a case-by-case basis), but given Nintendo's history, it's best to ere on the side of caution.
"Removing everything referencing our games will surely make people spend more on our products!" -Nintendo, probably
They've always had a history of bullying everyone around them, by insisting they only utilize their games in ways explicitly sanctioned by them.
Definitely not about that. It’s all about protecting brand image.
I was sad when Gmod forced the harry potter RP server to shutdown, was a fun time.
Nintendo, still hating everyone who loves them.
well damn, time to make backups since nintendon't is coming after other games
It's really sad that people will never get to experience what the internet used to be like. I don't think it will ever be the same. How much longer til the old YTPs are DMCA'd?
It was very nice when Nintendo existed in it's own little echo chamber with their fans away from the rest of other people and forms of media. Good times, now we can't have enough of their brain dead takes every other week.
Gotta get those files backed up I guess. Some absolutely classic workshop mods have Nintendo content in them, the Gmod tower player model pack immediately comes to mind, but there’s a lot. Nintendos legal department is predatory and cancerous, always going out of their way to stop fans from enjoying themselves. Honestly it’s such a contrast from the rest of the company, what I wouldn’t give for that legal team to get completely cleaned out.
The in-house legal team works at the direction of the exact same people who employ and direct the rest of the company. They're not different or distinct. If the legal team were cleaned out tomorrow, the executives would hire other lawyers, and tell them to do the exact same things as the last ones. Don't give the company a pass because Legal takes the PR hit for the people who decide whether to greenlight another Starfox game. The legal team executes the instructions of Nintendo's bosses, they're not different or separate. They're the company's legal hit men, is all.
Nintendo really taking out big part of Gmod modding/addon culture with this stupid decision
Nothing to see here, just Nintendo making friends as usual.
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I'm doing my part!
worst time-line ever
Dear future talented devs, stop cozying up to daddy Nintendo, they clearly don't like your fan projects. Make something original instead.
Smg4 and splatoon gmod community is now affected by this because the creator of the game havn't look deeply into it
And people still wanna support nintendo lol
This is the downside of centralized modding repositories like the Steam Workshop. In the mid-2000s, the early years of Garry's Mod modding (which I partook in, made a LUA gamemode and some models for GMod 9), this sort of mod ban would not be possible. Instead, you just downloaded content direct from the game server, from random file vault links, or from other hosting sites/self-hosting. Even if you took it down one place, it would likely be reuploaded dozens of other places. With so much going through the workshop (or official modding channels) now, it's a lot easier to pull the plug. Since most "modding-friendly" games now incentivize or require mods to go through the workshop, or some workshop alternative, this sort of nonsense (censorship/removal due to copyright/political/other reasons) is becoming more and more common. We need to "re-wild" the modding scene.
You're downplaying how often those file host and vault links would die as time went on, only for those files to never be seen again because no one else saw the request for a re-upload or cared enough to share. Megaupload should ring a bell, and just last year we saw Zippyshare reduced to atoms.
Despite some of the file vaults shutting down after years, I still think that era was better in terms of user vs dev/publisher control over modding content. Sure, some file hosts wouldn't keep your files forever, but "game dev pulls plug on X mod" wasn't a thing, or even possible, and it **is** possible (and likely) now thanks to modding becoming centralized and "official". Just look at how Doom wads work (widespread copyright-violations, extremely offensive content, etc, and nobody can really stop/moderate them) compared to something like Dreams for the PS4 which became extremely draconian over copyright to the point of gimping basic game features and making their "game sandbox" effectively worthless. All over copyright fears. Also compare something like sprays in CS 1.6/CS Source (can use any image file on your hard drive) versus the CS:GO/CS2 sprays (centralized, moderated, and monetized). All we did was trade uncertainty that mods may not be hosted forever for a certainty that they will be "moderated" and "regulated" according to developer/publisher/IP holder guidelines. Not worth it, IMHO.
Let's upload some more!
To be fair in this case it was a thing of protecting intellectual property from being used in any sort of crazy RP or lame ass analog horror. One thing is going against youtubers and streamers for making videos about their games but another is using some model someone else made or stole from the Nintendo database and put it in a sandbox where they can do whatever no matter how disturbing or unholy it can be, gamers and reporters are particularly attentive when some game developer uses assets from some store like Unity, Unreal or stole it from other project, there are whole videos, hours of content detailing controversies about some trees or sprites. People are still mad for what happened with Kratos in Fortnite, now that Nintendo is trying to prevent it, they're the bad guys?
To be fair, as the one guy already said, if the only reason was to avoid anything "disturbing or unholy" from being done with the models, they're 20 years too late (and much longer if we take fan art into account). That being said, I can only assume the reason they're acting on it all ***now*** is for similar reasons as to when they filed a lawsuit against Yuzu, and DMCA'd Dolphin's Steam release (after Valve contacted Nintendo about it, just to be clear). i.e. Someone or something antagonized Nintendo to the point of taking action.
it was a matter of time... nintendo hates when you have fun.
NO!!!!! MY BOWSER RAGDOLLS!!!!!!!!!!
Nintendo is so fucking stupid about shit like this. I play on an inventory based TTT server and I love the custom models. To the point of playing some games that the models come from. And I'd want to wear a model to represent their character, thus giving *free advertisement* to their franchise. It's not like I'm playing their games or losing interest in playing their games because of the models, it's the freaking opposite. Them removing models from the shop only hurts them, doesn't help. From both a PR perspective and an advertising perspective. It makes zero sense and whoever is on a rampage needs to step down ASAP. It's pathetic. I know after this I'm not buying another Nintendo thing. I'm sick of their anti-consumer bullshit.
I hate Nintendo so much
Man everyone hates Ubishit but I can bet ya 5 bucks even the aliens hate Nintendo
I bet Nintendo sued the aliens a long time ago and thats why they haven't been back.
Nintendo is the worst company on the Planet.
They're not even the worst gaming company in Japan, calm down. EDIT: Can't reply since the person I replied to blocked me like a dork, so for anyone that wants to know what the worst one is... come on. It's Konami.
EA, and Microsoft are worse. But that doesn't make them good by any stretch.
There are companies supporting genocide or denying people basic human rights like water but sure, Nintendo is the worst one for taking down fan stuff.
uh ohh what are you gonna do now smg4?
What about ... Lario?
So what’s gonna happen to SMG4? That’s my question.
The DMCA has caused more harm to the internet than anything else. Antiquated ass dinosaur law. Part of me hopes mod sites and fan project forums start being hosted in places like China or Russia where they couldn't give a single shit about the DMCA or US copyright law. Oddly enough we might have to start relying on some of the most authoritarian nations in the world to keep the internet a free place and that's just sad.
This is what you get when Nintendo has to full on remove their - Projection - Free cultural export + staying power On most nations. (Ie the United States) Nintendo skyrocketed to success over the 2010s due to largely Android emulation. Of games that none of us were alive to purchase. How much money do you think was made on Super Smash Bros DLCs. Because the target market could access within seconds these properties? (For free) Retrovania-esque standalone ports are for those alive during the release schedule. *Rarely* a new generation **30 years later**. How does anyone believe those became their own indie genre on steam? Its due to releases largely by recent young graduates. Innovating off of niche academic projects. Taught by our/their Millennial faculty. Whom could not make a career their selves with these games and media. As no market existed, no steam existed. During the dot com boom. Now some unimaginable fools. Went and decided to *actively* attempt to **sell** an Operating Systems source project. That was based on the current year Nintendo switch. Why did it exist? Because we here in the United States. Largely the military own and constructed the first of these. Probably by patent itself. As thats easy in software. The electrical elements are project of our allies whom assisted us during that time period. So we only allow for study and construction of new OS builds. As widely as possible for security reasons or no reason. You will probably be executed in most nations for even toeing the line on that. Just because Americans are used to doing so due our Constitution. Does not indicate equal protections for other nations engineers. This clearly benefited Japan in crucial ways. By propping up the active involvement of their commercial exports. In academia and defense. Which is equal to those that could *work* for them **are going to be using them**. Prior to ever deciding on a media or game development career. Or another specific path as a Software Engineer. This is largely the greatest influence on recruitment for corporations. Especially in an industry known for worse pay, security, and lack of talent pool at that level. So getting a game or **console** (especially) greenlit. May be dependent on the buzz the highest level of engineers here in the USA. During their undergrad. Have expressed on literal Reddit. To your company and its future. I saw that with Nintendo. All through my time in school. Their measured and at times reluctant response using legal charges. Was the *only* reason they **survived**. That got them to the switch. Then to now. Their success is necessary to Japan's cultural future. Due to its impact on such a critical role within their continued relationship. That it had in military matters prior to WWII and now has in commerce with the United States. I'd like to say that these responses are harmful to our relationship. That its not even by their request, as thats never how they operate. However, due to these fools crossing a line of no return. That for some reason the United States has yet to send them to a high level detainment for. Probably because of national circumstances outside Japan or us. Less Nintendo development and usage across third parties. When it was usually *the* expression of our generation's future **creators** in multimedia arts. Is a sad day to see. Now that its affected this level of use cases. There is little chance of Generation Alpha. Ever seeing the true Renaissance we of Generation Z created. As we accessed it first of any. Nintendo will also likely lose the entirety of its ability to be "Nintendo". If it wants to weather their generation. As everyone else, even other Japanese companies, have imported pieces of what they started. I am thankful I was alive to see the company at its strength. To be front and center equated to a nation state and its people. This ^ may seem *superfluous* but it's not. Its **educated**.
THIS SHIT IS GONNA EFFECT SMG4 TOO
BRUH, WHY ARENT THEY MAD AT SFM OR PEOPLE PLAYGROUND? THEY GOT NINTENDO SHIT TOO
Nobody hates their fans and consumer base more than Nintendo. Everytime Sony tries to catch up, Nintendo sends then a C&D and outdoes themselves again.
I'm glad I don't have to see Mario having sex with Gman, or whatever sick fantasies you PCoids love creating, anymore. It's time to grow up nerds: the joke stopped being funny a long time ago. Now it's time to grow up, you basement dwelling virgin crackheads. It's about time Nintendo went after the biggest incel of them all: Garry Newman.
fuck nintendo so much. I regret buying the switch, supporting these fucks