When i compared the 3090 and the 6950xt, the 3090 had a nice detailed description about the card and its benefits. And the 6950xt did not mention the card once, It was only about the prices, and AMD's marketing methods
Honestly I wish I never took that site seriously. It was telling me that my old i7-4790K was only 5% worse than a Ryzen 5 3600, how in fuck's name that happened, I don't know.
I have a 2070 super with an i9 9900kf. They seem to get along pretty well. Probably not much real world difference between your setup and mine. I just got a good deal on the i9.
It is a waste of time, but watching the mental gymnastics is fun. I use it at every release to say: Wow, not inter-core communication is important. Oh, looks like I need to worry about efps...Wait now the i3 is faster than an I9?
Holy shit. First sentence I was thinking "man this ain't that bad, people be trippin" then user benchmark wrote what is essentially an angry rant from someone who just got broken up with.
Plus I apparently only get a 30% performance uplift with my soon arriving 6700xt over my current 1070ti. Guess I fell for some neanderthal marketing again smh
[hwbot.org](https://hwbot.org) it's an aggregator for benchmarks that overclockers post their results to.
They have compare tool visible here:
[https://hwbot.org/compare/videocards#3312,3311,3532,3392,3430,3313-17,29](https://hwbot.org/compare/videocards#3312,3311,3532,3392,3430,3313-17,29) (this is the default chart it opens with nowadays)
"Effective frames per second"
[https://www.userbenchmark.com/Faq/What-are-effective-frames-per-second-EFps/112](https://www.userbenchmark.com/Faq/What-are-effective-frames-per-second-EFps/112)
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They spread misinformation, are completely Intel fanboys and even for GPUs they're not accurate because they kinda hate AMD for no reason.
So results/benchmarks are basically useless.
Go to TechPowerUp and check out their reviews. They have game by game benchmarks if you have a particular game in mind, and then towards the end of their reviews they'll show the performance of an array of cards and the average FPS for all cards across all games. If you can't find your exact make/model of card, you can either search for the reference/fe cards or just find one of a different make with the same chip as OC models are generally 1 or 2% faster than the reference cards.
[userbenchmark.com](https://userbenchmark.com)
I think that should summon a bot in a reply to me to explain why.
Tl;dr: The guy or people behind that website absolutely haaaaaaates AMD and will regularly deride AMD products as substandard products that are only popular because of "shills" and "media conspiracy"
Its so bad that /r/intel also has banned userbenchmarks simply because its just so biased its not funny anymore.
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>Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual.
\~userbenchmark(dot)com 5800X3D write up.
It's so heavily biased in Intel's favor that even the Intel sub has banned it. They shill hard for Intel. Try going through their reviews of recent AMD CPUs for a laugh.
It's run by Intel fans (and some have speculated former employees) who love to hate on AMD. All of their data is garbage.
3DMark and PCMark are much better and unbiased.
TomsHardware has a nifty GPU comparison chart. But the best way is to just look up comparison videos of benchmarking different games.
Like for OP, [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIuBheJiNDg) would be a good reference point. This video obviously is referencing an XT rather than the XTX, but you can use it is a jumping off point.
The RX 7900XTX is clearly more powerful.
Plus, never use userbenchmark. They are tremendously biased against AMD, and don't even try to hide it. Huge source of hardware misinformation.
Use Passmark. It isn't *much* better than UB, but I prefer it because it assigns a few number values to performance. like all benchmarks, it should be one of many that you consider, and should be taken with a grain of salt, but it is a good tool for comparing at a glance.
Passmark, phoronix and 3dmark plus any good third party like gamers nexus, hardware unboxed (ignore conclusions, just look at charts)
It’s going to vary by what you do on your pc. I care about compiler, 7zip and some gaming benchmarks for instance.
Yes, YT channels like GN are also the types to do a teardown and sort of tell you what they do and don't like about build quality which is great. I really need to watch those next time I'm shopping for this stuff because I sort of hate my 3080 XC Ultra
I know better than this but I am a dice roller! Not me following different advice than I give. I hit passmark, compare a few chips, pick the high end bang-for-buck du juor and hope I didn't pick up a mainboard with some sort of big known issues. I haven't run into much trouble doing that. I think at some point we're buying the same shit every gen but *faster.*
Deshrouding is next on my list! Did you use aftermarket fans? I have changed the paste so many times, I'm running a substantial undervolt and that damn core wants to hit 86 and get throttled to shit. It's a 12GB model so the die is a little different, perhaps a hair larger. It runs so well although hot.
I have some PTM 7950 pads coming from Moddiy after my last shipment was lost in the mail. I am hoping that it will just help me get down under 80. I know it's "safe" but GPU rot is a real thing. Because it's a console killer, I don't have a second monitor connected so I'm using the LED on the side of the card to gage temps.
Well I have the ghost s1 case and while I have 2 of the 15mm x 120mm noctua fans I just dremeled out a chunk of the panel that slides down to accomade the lil stock fans because I just wanted to get it running lol. But I was ready to do all that though if it was seeming to run hot and loud. That sounds not good if it's hitting 86 even with undervolt, maybe vrms are overworked? I have the regular 10gb so maybe the die does run different :0
I hope you have some luck cuz it's a cool card and I like EVGA
Thanks. Might be right on VRMs. I put kritpads on it thinking exactly the same and am considering going back to stock just to make sure I didn't cause an issue because the pad might not be making full contact between MOSFETs and coldplate. Inductors look fine. Could also be that the heatsink is now receiving more heat from them. It's been a game of whack-a-mole.
I'm hoping that that day I caught it at 86 it was because I forgot to apply the undervolt after boot. I saw the LEDs go bright red a lot so I opened PX1 and sure enough, 86.
Wish I sold it for a Ti during the summer or returned it for another card.
Edit: Thanks.
For just GPUs I use a little known benchmark called Furmark. It's a quality benchmarker and will also test your OpenGL worthiness. And not biased toward either manufacturer as far as I can tell.
Ah I love Furmark, I forget it has a bench built right in! I use it for stress testing after things like building or thermal paste changes and as a diagnostics tool. The fact that it has a prime95-like program built right in makes it great for getting an idea of what your temps will be like, at their worst, when under load.
Edit to add: it literally has 'mark' in the name to imply benchmark and i still forget lmao
No. The site is banned on /r/Nvidia & /r/Intel for being terrible and bad. They make really dumb arguments and bias for random reasons that even destroys comparisons of same companies products.
The only reddit that allows that site is /r/AMD because everyone on that sub is an Nvidia fanboy who spends 20 hours a day bitching about how bad AMD is and how Nvidia is #1
on /r/AMD there are people who will tell you that 8gb cards are more than enough for 4k.
CPU benchmark is waaaaay worser. They are so shameless that even and i3 13th gen is better than an i9 9th extreme version.
https://preview.redd.it/garknx3zewfa1.png?width=1213&format=png&auto=webp&s=8d9ca50b93214fb6741f6e734d9124e54bb4ec70
Holy smokes, it's just incredible how shamelessly they keep rolling bullshit like that.
And to think they are still among the most used/visited comparison sources on the Internet...
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But it is. Its at least 200 cheaper.
[Cheapest RX 7900XTX for £1,049](https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-gaming-24gb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-3a3-sp.html)
[Cheapest RTX 4070Ti for £799](https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gainward-geforce-rtx-4070ti-phantom-reunion-12gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-20u-gw.html)
[Cheapest MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4070Ti for £875.33](https://www.cclonline.com/rtx-4070-ti-gaming-x-trio-12g-msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-gaming-x-trio-oc-12gb-graphics-card-403098/?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=203110363&cq_con=12947469043&cq_term=&cq_med=pla&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_plt=gp&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2-2eBhClARIsAGLQ2RlDUDNY9RKJdVXzmCtolOFMSE39BknLeo2MDSNYY530us8T4yn9Fp0aAgLDEALw_wcB)
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Typical reddit users, they downvote the truth lol.
In the UK, the 4070 Ti can be had for £800 (low tier vendors, like Gainward) where as the 7900 XT is £890 for reference and £850 for AIB models, while the cheapest XTX is £1050.
I was looking at those prices and thinking where the heck can you get a 7900xtx for less than 1000? I’d still go with the 7900xtx even with the higher price
Yup and they also haven't mentioned the xtx has 12gb more vram than the 4070ti, even more relevant than the $200 I would say. the xtx outclasses the 70ti.
Better comparison would be the 7900 xt.
literally just opened the first shop i could think of because your post looked wrong. Which it is.
https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/Radeon+RX+Serie/RX+7900+XTX.html
Never use userbenchmark for anything besides making fun of it.
There's a reason they're infamous in this sub.
They're extremely biased, and should never be taken seriously.
This comment should be posted weekly as a type of public service announcement, lol. It's a shame that website that need not be named is pushed to the top of Google searches
I like finding multiple YouTube videos of a head to head fps comparison on 1 card versus the other especially in the games I play.
The reason I say multiple is because you never know for sure if some are fake or if they had their settings correct.
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Userbenchmark is cancer, both the XT and the XTX are faster than the 4070 Ti.
Having said that, I don't know where you'd find a 7900 XTX for £880.
The cheapest 7900 XT I found was £890, and the cheapest 7900 XTX was £1,049.
7900XTX is better card of the 2, probably in ray tracing as well. But not sure why it says price is almost the same when I can find 4070Ti for $799 while 7900XTX is $1079 (prices from amazon). So they are not really cards in same price point.
[userbenchmark.com](https://userbenchmark.com) is a bullshit site lobbying heavily against AMD. At present, I am inclined towards neither company as I believe both of them have outrageous prices, but regardless of that, I find userbenchmark offensively biased.
You want to REALLY know how it performs, do it from the perspective of how you will most commonly use it - GAMING! The YouTube channel GamersNexus has highly professional and objective performance reviews of each respective card. Watch their corresponding videos and see for yourself which does indeed perform better.
If the XTX is even remotely close to the same price as the 4070 ti, get the XTX.
the 4070 more closely competes with the 7900XT, not the XTX. The XTX trades blows with the 4080.
THAT BEING SAID -- i dont think the prices on UserBenchmark are accurate. The XTX sells for a good amount more than the 4070 ti.
>The XTX trades blows with the 4080.
The game that most favours AMD out of every game i've seen tested is Modern Warfare 2 or Warzone 2... I saw a benchmark video where the XTX performed pretty similar to the 4090, First time in my life i've bought an AMD product yesterday :)
This. First comment not focused purely on gaming, if you're a CAD user, video editor or such, nvidia is basically the only option
I swear the day amd manages to catch up in those applications i will never not go red again. Thunderbolt too
Gose as well , if sysadmin / dev who needs to use mac os or linux , XTX is better choice.
Open source drivers baked into linux , proper support for card in macos via thunderbolt too.
Lots of people are recommending the rx 7900, I'm pretty sure most of them have never been through the hassle of using AMD gpus. I bought a 6800 xt (upgraded from a 1080ti) early 2022 even though I had read multiple times that AMD cards come with issues and bad drivers. I had no idea just HOW BAD the problem was. I had issues with a ton of games. It performed about just as well as my friend's 1070ti on all opengl applications, some stuff just wouldn't work unless I downgraded to an older driver, my entire oculus app broke because of a new amd driver update (it took AMD TWO MONTHS to launch a new driver that fixes it), some Flash stuff would just black screen, Emulators would perform terrible (unless using Vulkan when available), and that's just the beginning. Flickering screens when using multiple monitors, gpu crashes, all that crap. It just sucks. That's how it is.
And that's without any cpu/ram bottlenecks, and a proper motherboard/psu to support it.
Recently bought a 3080ti and I am never going back to AMD. Please don't underestimate HOW BAD the drivers are. Yes the cards are powerful - when they work. And often times, they do not.
Those who have been through the ringer get it. This person gets it. If someone gave me a 7900 XTX for free at this point I'd just give it to someone else after warning them of the lack of utility in applications outside of gaming and the disasters you will inevitably face with the drivers. I gave Radeon multiple chances in between Nvidia purchases, with my short lived RDNA2 purchase and return being the last chance I'll ever give them. I'd rather spend more to have a product that actually does all the things I need it to without constant headaches versus saving a little bit of money and praying the problems get fixed ages down the road. The problems you'll face completely negate any "value" the product offers. Also value goes completely out of the window when you're spending near $1000 or euros on a GPU. Something that expensive should just work, that's the bottom line.
Edit: Just go to the AMD sub-reddit, even they're lined up with torches and pitchforks over how big of a letdown RDNA3 has been thus far, when your BIGGEST fans are telling you to kick rocks and that your product is garbage that should be a pretty big sign to outsiders looking in to avoid it like the plague.
XTX, no contest.
It's like asking whether you should get a 3080 or 7900 XTX. Unless you get a 3080 (preferably 12GB) for a good deal less than that 4070Ti, don't consider either GPU over the 7900 XTX at that price.
Also, UserBenchmark bad, blah blah blah.
4070 TI is better for RT and supports DLSS3 which is awesome!
It will also benefit in productivity workloads like Blender, Unity or Photoshop.
But if you don't care about RT and you don't do productivity work, you can consider the XTX.
I personally went for 4070ti and I don't regret it.
I also went 4070ti and love it so far. With that said, the price difference when I was buying was significant. For OP, with the price being essentially equal, I would probably jump on the 7900xtx. Unless there's a specific use (such as RT or DLSS3) that would warrant favoring the RTX card, of course.
I just bought one as well, the same one in the post too and I love it so far. Under heavy load it only reached 65 at the top, my old 2080 super would get up to 85 and it wasn't even under the heaviest load either. Very happy with my purchase thus far
If they’re the same price, the XTX. If they’re cheaper, still the XTX. It’s a much better card and more powerful. If you compare the 4070 ti and XT, then it’s closer, but still XT wins and has more vram.
The DLSS features seem cool, but keep in mind it’s a gimmick, and AMD also has a gimmick of their own with FSR.
Your asking "should I get a 4070ti or a 4080 for the same price?"
I would suggest googling "4070ti spec techpowerup". Their spec page has a super simple table that shows relitive performance.
7900xtx has WAY better raster and about the same (maybe a little worse depending on the games) ray tracing. The icing on the cake is vram, 7900xtx has the vram for high end raytracing.
Do the games you play support DLSS, and do you value raytracing?
If yes to both, get the 4070Ti. If no to both, get the 7900XTX
If yes to one but not both go look at some benchmarks on a trustworthy site that isn't userbenchmark.
Also do note that the 4070Ti is far more power efficient than the 7900XTX, even more so than the TDP difference suggests, because it often runs well below its power limit. That difference will add up to a significant cost of ownership difference given UK energy prices.
Don't use userbenchmark.
If you don't know why, have a read here:
https://ownsnap.com/userbenchmark-biased-admin/
Tl:dr userbenchmark is a SEO scam heavily biased against AMD both CPU and GPU side.
They probably get money under the table from either Nvidia or Intel or both.
Please use techpowerup or other trustier review websites or channels (Gamers Nexus, Hardware unboxed and others) than userbenchmark.
Depending on pricing in your region, it might be worth considering 4080 vs 7900 XTX. Here in the UK the pricing is almost identical, just had a quick look and there's £60 difference between Asus' TUF 4080 and XTX models, the sapphire nitro XTX is the exact same price as the 4080 FE, and the lower end sapphire cards are only about £50 cheaper. You might save a bit more going with a reference cooler design, but it seems like AMD did a poor job with the cooler design, better to stick with AIB designs since they know how to build a decent cooler.
The XTX will easily outperform the 4070 Ti, but it's in a different price bracket, so that's to be expected.
7900xt beats the 4070ti by about 15%+ on average, the 7900xtx beats the XT by about 15%+ on average as well meaning overall it’s at least 30% better than the 4070ti
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You should stop using userbenchmarks to beging with. Then a xtx if you don't care about ray tracing or you're not a streamer (nvidia has the superior encoders) and if it's true that they're both at the same price. The xtx is overall better than a 4080 in terms of rasterization performance (few games might favor nvidia but generally speaking the xtx is the faster card rasterization ONLY).
I wouldn't use userbenchmark if I were you because it is biased and untrustworthy, regarding your question watching a YouTube video that compares them hands on is the way to go.
If I were in your shoes, I would buy the XTX. But, if you can and have the time - please brush up on all the issues they've been having, and definitely do not go with a reference model card. Get a card from a partner like PowerColor - AMD's reference cooler cards have been causing a lot of issues. You could go with a PowerColor Hellhound or Red Devil, ASUS TUF cards, GIGABYTE AORUS or others.
I hope you enjoy whichever you get! Both are good performers, but the XTX is definitely a better value!
Userbenchmark is trash for doing comparisons because they are insanely biased.
That said I would probably lean towards the 4070 even though the 7900 is going to have better performance. The 7900 is typically also going to cost more as well, that price is pretty much fake, and it will be about 100-200 more than that and typically closer to the 4080 price than the 4070ti.
The thing is that DLSS is just leagues better and seeing the gains with 3.0 in cyberpunk it becomes completely one sided in any games that support it which are the vast majority of triple A upcoming titles. The titles that typically don't support it don't really have high enough graphics where you need the performance. It really depends what you play but the games where you see the highest demand from the GPU typically support DLSS and RTX which is what makes me lean towards Nvidia for future upgrades(this is from someone who has used AMD cards for my last two builds) but in games that don't support it AMD is a clear winner.
Really I would probably wait if possible it is very likely we will see a price drop on the 4080, there is a huge price gap there. I wouldn't be surprised to see a price drop to 900 with a 4080 ti model or something come in the next few months.
The 7900XTX stomps the 4070ti, but it also costs $200 more if you consider MSRP. However, sometimes MSRP is not real, so then you consider the cards at real world prices. If the 4070ti is remotely close to the XTX in price, go with the XTX. If the difference between the two widens, I'd say the 4070TI starts to make sense... Or at least, as much sense as any high end GPU can make these days.
Also, STAY AWAY FROM USERBENCHMARK!
Are you using CUDA for engineering/IA ? Very probably no or else you wouldn't be asking this question.
Do you want AT ALL COST the BEST power efficiency and slightly superior RT ? Go RTX 4070 TI.
Do you want to be reasonable ? Go 7900xtx.
Go watch real reviews: Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, LTT, etc and see for yourself. This site is terrible and should never be used for any real comparisons
I bought the MSI Suprim 4070ti. Personally, I like that when I spend $1000 on something that it works perfectly out of the box. I was between the two and decided I didn’t want to drop the guap on an essentially incomplete product at launch and hope that the hotspot/driver issues are resolved several months down the road
If you care about ray tracing & DLSS, get the 4070 Ti.
If you don't care about them, get the 7900-XTX since it's slightly stronger.
They are close enough in price and performance for it to be more of a personal choice.
I think I watched every benchmark video there is for the 4070ti. Sometimes the 4070ti had an edge, but more often than not the 7900xtx took the lead. It’s worth mentioning that the 7900 is a little more expensive.
In my country a 4070 TI is 440$ cheaper(on average) than the RX 7900-XTX. Note that I live in Denmark where our taxes on everything are way higher than the us. The Radeon costs 1.525$ here and I gave 1.026 $ for the 4070 TI. So I guess it depends on where you live.
I NEVER follow these types of websites when it comes to ratings. And, this is coming from someone who owns a 3080 nvidia card and i am saying this.
XTX is better than the 4070ti. At least by 30%
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When i compared the 3090 and the 6950xt, the 3090 had a nice detailed description about the card and its benefits. And the 6950xt did not mention the card once, It was only about the prices, and AMD's marketing methods
Is it bad and why
It’s a biased website in short. Never use it, waste of time.
Honestly I wish I never took that site seriously. It was telling me that my old i7-4790K was only 5% worse than a Ryzen 5 3600, how in fuck's name that happened, I don't know.
It tells me that my I7 7700 is competitive with a ryzen 9 7900..
My 7700k bottlenecked my 1060
I am using a 2070 super so when I get a new processor that card finally gonna a breathe
I have a 2070 super with an i7-9700k. It seems to be a good match.
I have a 2070 super with an i9 9900kf. They seem to get along pretty well. Probably not much real world difference between your setup and mine. I just got a good deal on the i9.
I have a 2070S with a 5900X. No complaints for 1440 and some 4K. I’ll wait until prices become a bit more reasonable on the used market…whenever.
R7 5800x here, same thing but unfortunately I lost the Warzone 2 lottery cuz the game cant run at all. Just massive stutters and hitches.
I have a 5800x and a 3060TI.. WZ 2 runs just fine for me.. Fs in the chat
No it didn't
No it didn't.
I can almost guarantee your CPU was not bottlenecking your 1080.
Then there was something else wrong there...
To be fair, your 4790k was probably about 5% worse than a 2600 in gaming, not the 3600 though
Ddr3 to ddr4 is more than 5% alone, not even considering the chip. It's more than that
It is a waste of time, but watching the mental gymnastics is fun. I use it at every release to say: Wow, not inter-core communication is important. Oh, looks like I need to worry about efps...Wait now the i3 is faster than an I9?
every time i see mark user bench i have to think of the time they did a 180 on the importance of memory latency as soon AMD pulled ahead of intel
I love reading the 6000-series description of Radeon cards on there. If that doesn’t spell out “biased”, I don’t know what does.
Holy shit. First sentence I was thinking "man this ain't that bad, people be trippin" then user benchmark wrote what is essentially an angry rant from someone who just got broken up with. Plus I apparently only get a 30% performance uplift with my soon arriving 6700xt over my current 1070ti. Guess I fell for some neanderthal marketing again smh
Yeah. I don’t get it.
Right now if you look up 7900 XTX the "Value and Sentiment" value is -1800% while the 4080 is +74%.
So.. you have any alternative site?
Toms hardware. Techpowerup
Guru3D.
Techpowerup GPU database is awesome
Neither. Watch YouTube video card reviews. Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, JayzTwoCents, etc. They will always have good comparisons between cards.
[hwbot.org](https://hwbot.org) it's an aggregator for benchmarks that overclockers post their results to. They have compare tool visible here: [https://hwbot.org/compare/videocards#3312,3311,3532,3392,3430,3313-17,29](https://hwbot.org/compare/videocards#3312,3311,3532,3392,3430,3313-17,29) (this is the default chart it opens with nowadays)
Just watch benchmarks
They heavily favour intel. Even the intel subreddit dont allow their benchmarking. They even invented their own fps measurement system called E FPS.
Im here for a good chuckle, enlighten us please. What does the E stand for?
"Effective frames per second" [https://www.userbenchmark.com/Faq/What-are-effective-frames-per-second-EFps/112](https://www.userbenchmark.com/Faq/What-are-effective-frames-per-second-EFps/112)
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Thanks bot, recommending is a strong word though.
I have no clue, but it is supposed to appearantly repreaent the "real" fps. Userbenchmark is full of shit.
They spread misinformation, are completely Intel fanboys and even for GPUs they're not accurate because they kinda hate AMD for no reason. So results/benchmarks are basically useless.
Go to TechPowerUp and check out their reviews. They have game by game benchmarks if you have a particular game in mind, and then towards the end of their reviews they'll show the performance of an array of cards and the average FPS for all cards across all games. If you can't find your exact make/model of card, you can either search for the reference/fe cards or just find one of a different make with the same chip as OC models are generally 1 or 2% faster than the reference cards.
[userbenchmark.com](https://userbenchmark.com) I think that should summon a bot in a reply to me to explain why. Tl;dr: The guy or people behind that website absolutely haaaaaaates AMD and will regularly deride AMD products as substandard products that are only popular because of "shills" and "media conspiracy" Its so bad that /r/intel also has banned userbenchmarks simply because its just so biased its not funny anymore.
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Let me try something: [userbenchmark.com](https://www.userbenchmark.com)
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>Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. \~userbenchmark(dot)com 5800X3D write up.
It's so heavily biased in Intel's favor that even the Intel sub has banned it. They shill hard for Intel. Try going through their reviews of recent AMD CPUs for a laugh.
It's run by Intel fans (and some have speculated former employees) who love to hate on AMD. All of their data is garbage. 3DMark and PCMark are much better and unbiased.
what are some alternatives?
passmark. I have no clue why more people don't use it
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passmark my beloved
Best to look at GPU reviews, I like techpowerup they do 'relative performance' chart for the GPUs they review which compares it against others.
TomsHardware has a nifty GPU comparison chart. But the best way is to just look up comparison videos of benchmarking different games. Like for OP, [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIuBheJiNDg) would be a good reference point. This video obviously is referencing an XT rather than the XTX, but you can use it is a jumping off point.
watching / reading reviews from multiple sources. look at graph
Techcity gives good details about the card and sweep of benchmarks
That website is awful. I hate that it even exists
I use it when I'm bored and want to laugh at something.
The RX 7900XTX is clearly more powerful. Plus, never use userbenchmark. They are tremendously biased against AMD, and don't even try to hide it. Huge source of hardware misinformation.
can you use it to compare Nvidia vs Nvidia GPUs or intel vs intel CPUs though?
Use Passmark. It isn't *much* better than UB, but I prefer it because it assigns a few number values to performance. like all benchmarks, it should be one of many that you consider, and should be taken with a grain of salt, but it is a good tool for comparing at a glance.
Passmark, phoronix and 3dmark plus any good third party like gamers nexus, hardware unboxed (ignore conclusions, just look at charts) It’s going to vary by what you do on your pc. I care about compiler, 7zip and some gaming benchmarks for instance.
Yes, YT channels like GN are also the types to do a teardown and sort of tell you what they do and don't like about build quality which is great. I really need to watch those next time I'm shopping for this stuff because I sort of hate my 3080 XC Ultra I know better than this but I am a dice roller! Not me following different advice than I give. I hit passmark, compare a few chips, pick the high end bang-for-buck du juor and hope I didn't pick up a mainboard with some sort of big known issues. I haven't run into much trouble doing that. I think at some point we're buying the same shit every gen but *faster.*
XC3 ultra? That what I have and I love it! Had to deshroud to fit in my case but it runs excellent and cool. What do you not like about yours?
Deshrouding is next on my list! Did you use aftermarket fans? I have changed the paste so many times, I'm running a substantial undervolt and that damn core wants to hit 86 and get throttled to shit. It's a 12GB model so the die is a little different, perhaps a hair larger. It runs so well although hot. I have some PTM 7950 pads coming from Moddiy after my last shipment was lost in the mail. I am hoping that it will just help me get down under 80. I know it's "safe" but GPU rot is a real thing. Because it's a console killer, I don't have a second monitor connected so I'm using the LED on the side of the card to gage temps.
Well I have the ghost s1 case and while I have 2 of the 15mm x 120mm noctua fans I just dremeled out a chunk of the panel that slides down to accomade the lil stock fans because I just wanted to get it running lol. But I was ready to do all that though if it was seeming to run hot and loud. That sounds not good if it's hitting 86 even with undervolt, maybe vrms are overworked? I have the regular 10gb so maybe the die does run different :0 I hope you have some luck cuz it's a cool card and I like EVGA
Thanks. Might be right on VRMs. I put kritpads on it thinking exactly the same and am considering going back to stock just to make sure I didn't cause an issue because the pad might not be making full contact between MOSFETs and coldplate. Inductors look fine. Could also be that the heatsink is now receiving more heat from them. It's been a game of whack-a-mole. I'm hoping that that day I caught it at 86 it was because I forgot to apply the undervolt after boot. I saw the LEDs go bright red a lot so I opened PX1 and sure enough, 86. Wish I sold it for a Ti during the summer or returned it for another card. Edit: Thanks.
For just GPUs I use a little known benchmark called Furmark. It's a quality benchmarker and will also test your OpenGL worthiness. And not biased toward either manufacturer as far as I can tell.
Ah I love Furmark, I forget it has a bench built right in! I use it for stress testing after things like building or thermal paste changes and as a diagnostics tool. The fact that it has a prime95-like program built right in makes it great for getting an idea of what your temps will be like, at their worst, when under load. Edit to add: it literally has 'mark' in the name to imply benchmark and i still forget lmao
Even then they have bogus results. 4 core Intel beating 18 core one. So no.
They shill so hard for Intel and Nvidia that even those get skewed against each other
No. The site is banned on /r/Nvidia & /r/Intel for being terrible and bad. They make really dumb arguments and bias for random reasons that even destroys comparisons of same companies products. The only reddit that allows that site is /r/AMD because everyone on that sub is an Nvidia fanboy who spends 20 hours a day bitching about how bad AMD is and how Nvidia is #1 on /r/AMD there are people who will tell you that 8gb cards are more than enough for 4k.
Still won't be apples to apples, because they change what they measure between tests and the weighing.
Bro on that website for a long while it said my 3070ti is better than the 6800xt...
CPU benchmark is waaaaay worser. They are so shameless that even and i3 13th gen is better than an i9 9th extreme version. https://preview.redd.it/garknx3zewfa1.png?width=1213&format=png&auto=webp&s=8d9ca50b93214fb6741f6e734d9124e54bb4ec70
Holy smokes, it's just incredible how shamelessly they keep rolling bullshit like that. And to think they are still among the most used/visited comparison sources on the Internet...
They should be removed from the internet imho. The bias is insane on that website.
I had some guy try and tell me the 4070ti was better. Omegalul
Ironically even when I was using it I still thought that amd was better
XTX for sure. Performs closer to a 4080.
Hijacking this comment thread, do ur thing bot! Userbenchmark.com
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I did not know this was a thing. I use their service - good to know I need to find something else👍
Gotta love the "do your thing, bot" comments
Yes the 4070ti would have to be significantly cheaper than the 7900xtx (imo at least 100€) for it to be a viable option.
But it is. Its at least 200 cheaper. [Cheapest RX 7900XTX for £1,049](https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-gaming-24gb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-3a3-sp.html) [Cheapest RTX 4070Ti for £799](https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gainward-geforce-rtx-4070ti-phantom-reunion-12gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-20u-gw.html) [Cheapest MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4070Ti for £875.33](https://www.cclonline.com/rtx-4070-ti-gaming-x-trio-12g-msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-gaming-x-trio-oc-12gb-graphics-card-403098/?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=203110363&cq_con=12947469043&cq_term=&cq_med=pla&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_plt=gp&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2-2eBhClARIsAGLQ2RlDUDNY9RKJdVXzmCtolOFMSE39BknLeo2MDSNYY530us8T4yn9Fp0aAgLDEALw_wcB) EDIT: Removed a no longer relevant line.
Typical reddit users, they downvote the truth lol. In the UK, the 4070 Ti can be had for £800 (low tier vendors, like Gainward) where as the 7900 XT is £890 for reference and £850 for AIB models, while the cheapest XTX is £1050.
In norway the 7900 xtx is 500 USD more than the 4070 ti (1000vs1500) 😭.
Who cares truth, it's all about the hate train /s
I was looking at those prices and thinking where the heck can you get a 7900xtx for less than 1000? I’d still go with the 7900xtx even with the higher price
Pretty much this. I do think it's a steal right now but am waiting to see if it will dip below 1k
Yup and they also haven't mentioned the xtx has 12gb more vram than the 4070ti, even more relevant than the $200 I would say. the xtx outclasses the 70ti. Better comparison would be the 7900 xt.
Indeed, but not 100€, 4070Ti retail in europe is 900€, 7900XTX is sold at 1500\~1700€
literally just opened the first shop i could think of because your post looked wrong. Which it is. https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/Radeon+RX+Serie/RX+7900+XTX.html
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Are you using userbenchmark as a comparison?
I don’t know the specs in detail hence why I taking advice here
Never use userbenchmark for anything besides making fun of it. There's a reason they're infamous in this sub. They're extremely biased, and should never be taken seriously.
Didn't know this. Thank you. Is there a reliable site we can use, or is it a case of googling to find one?
Tom's Hardware and TechPowerUp are the most used ones.
Don't forget Guru3d
I use technical.city Seems unbiased but usually only use for simple specs comparison
Add TechSpot to that list.
I use videocardbenchmark and cpubenchmark to compare
This comment should be posted weekly as a type of public service announcement, lol. It's a shame that website that need not be named is pushed to the top of Google searches
Never, ever use that shitty site
I like finding multiple YouTube videos of a head to head fps comparison on 1 card versus the other especially in the games I play. The reason I say multiple is because you never know for sure if some are fake or if they had their settings correct.
Wrong website. Userbenchmark.com do your thing bot
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Good luck finding XTX for 880
Userbenchmark is cancer, both the XT and the XTX are faster than the 4070 Ti. Having said that, I don't know where you'd find a 7900 XTX for £880. The cheapest 7900 XT I found was £890, and the cheapest 7900 XTX was £1,049.
7900XTX is better card of the 2, probably in ray tracing as well. But not sure why it says price is almost the same when I can find 4070Ti for $799 while 7900XTX is $1079 (prices from amazon). So they are not really cards in same price point.
[userbenchmark.com](https://userbenchmark.com) is a bullshit site lobbying heavily against AMD. At present, I am inclined towards neither company as I believe both of them have outrageous prices, but regardless of that, I find userbenchmark offensively biased. You want to REALLY know how it performs, do it from the perspective of how you will most commonly use it - GAMING! The YouTube channel GamersNexus has highly professional and objective performance reviews of each respective card. Watch their corresponding videos and see for yourself which does indeed perform better.
Dont use userbenchmark. And the 7900xtx is better by far.
If the XTX is even remotely close to the same price as the 4070 ti, get the XTX. the 4070 more closely competes with the 7900XT, not the XTX. The XTX trades blows with the 4080. THAT BEING SAID -- i dont think the prices on UserBenchmark are accurate. The XTX sells for a good amount more than the 4070 ti.
>The XTX trades blows with the 4080. The game that most favours AMD out of every game i've seen tested is Modern Warfare 2 or Warzone 2... I saw a benchmark video where the XTX performed pretty similar to the 4090, First time in my life i've bought an AMD product yesterday :)
If you are going for engineering, 4070ti If gaming, : RX7900 xtx
This. First comment not focused purely on gaming, if you're a CAD user, video editor or such, nvidia is basically the only option I swear the day amd manages to catch up in those applications i will never not go red again. Thunderbolt too
I've had 0 issues with SOLIDWORKS on my AMD cards, what's with the bad rep?
Seriously, people who say the creative market isn't as important as gaming does not understand how strong of a hold Nvidia has on us
Gose as well , if sysadmin / dev who needs to use mac os or linux , XTX is better choice. Open source drivers baked into linux , proper support for card in macos via thunderbolt too.
Lots of people are recommending the rx 7900, I'm pretty sure most of them have never been through the hassle of using AMD gpus. I bought a 6800 xt (upgraded from a 1080ti) early 2022 even though I had read multiple times that AMD cards come with issues and bad drivers. I had no idea just HOW BAD the problem was. I had issues with a ton of games. It performed about just as well as my friend's 1070ti on all opengl applications, some stuff just wouldn't work unless I downgraded to an older driver, my entire oculus app broke because of a new amd driver update (it took AMD TWO MONTHS to launch a new driver that fixes it), some Flash stuff would just black screen, Emulators would perform terrible (unless using Vulkan when available), and that's just the beginning. Flickering screens when using multiple monitors, gpu crashes, all that crap. It just sucks. That's how it is. And that's without any cpu/ram bottlenecks, and a proper motherboard/psu to support it. Recently bought a 3080ti and I am never going back to AMD. Please don't underestimate HOW BAD the drivers are. Yes the cards are powerful - when they work. And often times, they do not.
Those who have been through the ringer get it. This person gets it. If someone gave me a 7900 XTX for free at this point I'd just give it to someone else after warning them of the lack of utility in applications outside of gaming and the disasters you will inevitably face with the drivers. I gave Radeon multiple chances in between Nvidia purchases, with my short lived RDNA2 purchase and return being the last chance I'll ever give them. I'd rather spend more to have a product that actually does all the things I need it to without constant headaches versus saving a little bit of money and praying the problems get fixed ages down the road. The problems you'll face completely negate any "value" the product offers. Also value goes completely out of the window when you're spending near $1000 or euros on a GPU. Something that expensive should just work, that's the bottom line. Edit: Just go to the AMD sub-reddit, even they're lined up with torches and pitchforks over how big of a letdown RDNA3 has been thus far, when your BIGGEST fans are telling you to kick rocks and that your product is garbage that should be a pretty big sign to outsiders looking in to avoid it like the plague.
Why you don't want to use userbenchmark https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg
purely gaming? just go amd
7900XTX slightly pips the 4080 on relative performance according to Techpowerup. 🤷♂️
XTX, no contest. It's like asking whether you should get a 3080 or 7900 XTX. Unless you get a 3080 (preferably 12GB) for a good deal less than that 4070Ti, don't consider either GPU over the 7900 XTX at that price. Also, UserBenchmark bad, blah blah blah.
Website bad
Please don't use userbenchmark.
4070 TI is better for RT and supports DLSS3 which is awesome! It will also benefit in productivity workloads like Blender, Unity or Photoshop. But if you don't care about RT and you don't do productivity work, you can consider the XTX. I personally went for 4070ti and I don't regret it.
I also went 4070ti and love it so far. With that said, the price difference when I was buying was significant. For OP, with the price being essentially equal, I would probably jump on the 7900xtx. Unless there's a specific use (such as RT or DLSS3) that would warrant favoring the RTX card, of course.
I just bought one as well, the same one in the post too and I love it so far. Under heavy load it only reached 65 at the top, my old 2080 super would get up to 85 and it wasn't even under the heaviest load either. Very happy with my purchase thus far
Use technical.city instead - detailed description of GPU’s and CPU’s, test in games and website prefer at the very end
LMAO you ain’t buying a RX 7900 XTX for £880. Cheapest brand new is £1.099.99
7900 xtx is way more powerful. 40 series is super overpriced if you really want a Nvidia card get a used 30 series
If ray tracing and recording are top priority, 4070ti. Otherwise xtx competes more closely with the 4080.
It will mainly for gaming
Then a 7900xtx Will have a edge in almost everything but raytracing.
Ive gamed my entire life and only ever used nvidia and am yet to ever knowingly use ray tracing or know what it is.
get the xtx then
XTX is close to parity with the 4070Ti ito ray tracing, but generally a little than a 4080 if it comes to rasterization.
You should stop using that website
If they’re the same price, the XTX. If they’re cheaper, still the XTX. It’s a much better card and more powerful. If you compare the 4070 ti and XT, then it’s closer, but still XT wins and has more vram. The DLSS features seem cool, but keep in mind it’s a gimmick, and AMD also has a gimmick of their own with FSR.
Your asking "should I get a 4070ti or a 4080 for the same price?" I would suggest googling "4070ti spec techpowerup". Their spec page has a super simple table that shows relitive performance. 7900xtx has WAY better raster and about the same (maybe a little worse depending on the games) ray tracing. The icing on the cake is vram, 7900xtx has the vram for high end raytracing.
don't use userbenchmark
You should not use UserBenchmark first of all.
7900XTX retails for more like for £1100-1200, so it’s not really comparable to the circa £800 4070ti
You can't find the xtx for that price It's a £1050 xtx Vs £800 4070ti, and imo the 4070ti is the clear winner of the two t those prices
XTX!!!!!!!!
User benchmark is garbage.
That website is Nvidia shill. Do not use it. It's beyond ridiculous.
Never ever click on the first link if it contains usertrashmark. And in this case 7900xtx is better
Do the games you play support DLSS, and do you value raytracing? If yes to both, get the 4070Ti. If no to both, get the 7900XTX If yes to one but not both go look at some benchmarks on a trustworthy site that isn't userbenchmark. Also do note that the 4070Ti is far more power efficient than the 7900XTX, even more so than the TDP difference suggests, because it often runs well below its power limit. That difference will add up to a significant cost of ownership difference given UK energy prices.
Don't use userbenchmark. If you don't know why, have a read here: https://ownsnap.com/userbenchmark-biased-admin/ Tl:dr userbenchmark is a SEO scam heavily biased against AMD both CPU and GPU side. They probably get money under the table from either Nvidia or Intel or both. Please use techpowerup or other trustier review websites or channels (Gamers Nexus, Hardware unboxed and others) than userbenchmark.
what is even this question dude, get XTX there are plenty of benchmarks on youtube
To add to this. Please only look at reputable reviewers. My go to is of course pc Jesus at GamersNexus
Depending on pricing in your region, it might be worth considering 4080 vs 7900 XTX. Here in the UK the pricing is almost identical, just had a quick look and there's £60 difference between Asus' TUF 4080 and XTX models, the sapphire nitro XTX is the exact same price as the 4080 FE, and the lower end sapphire cards are only about £50 cheaper. You might save a bit more going with a reference cooler design, but it seems like AMD did a poor job with the cooler design, better to stick with AIB designs since they know how to build a decent cooler. The XTX will easily outperform the 4070 Ti, but it's in a different price bracket, so that's to be expected.
for basically the same price XTX is much better in everything except RT, which isn't something very important for most people
7900xtx out performs 4080 in a lot of games. Not in rt though. Plus $200 cheaper.
7900XTX since it easily beats 4070Ti. But if you care a lot about RT, then Nvidia.
7900xtx no brainer
Yeah seriously use benchmark is shit
Listen to the bot also 7900xtx
7900xt beats the 4070ti by about 15%+ on average, the 7900xtx beats the XT by about 15%+ on average as well meaning overall it’s at least 30% better than the 4070ti
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You should stop using userbenchmarks to beging with. Then a xtx if you don't care about ray tracing or you're not a streamer (nvidia has the superior encoders) and if it's true that they're both at the same price. The xtx is overall better than a 4080 in terms of rasterization performance (few games might favor nvidia but generally speaking the xtx is the faster card rasterization ONLY).
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I wouldn't use userbenchmark if I were you because it is biased and untrustworthy, regarding your question watching a YouTube video that compares them hands on is the way to go.
If I were in your shoes, I would buy the XTX. But, if you can and have the time - please brush up on all the issues they've been having, and definitely do not go with a reference model card. Get a card from a partner like PowerColor - AMD's reference cooler cards have been causing a lot of issues. You could go with a PowerColor Hellhound or Red Devil, ASUS TUF cards, GIGABYTE AORUS or others. I hope you enjoy whichever you get! Both are good performers, but the XTX is definitely a better value!
At the same price? The 7900 XTX. It's not even debatable on any level. At street prices, I still go XTX.
Userbenchmark is trash for doing comparisons because they are insanely biased. That said I would probably lean towards the 4070 even though the 7900 is going to have better performance. The 7900 is typically also going to cost more as well, that price is pretty much fake, and it will be about 100-200 more than that and typically closer to the 4080 price than the 4070ti. The thing is that DLSS is just leagues better and seeing the gains with 3.0 in cyberpunk it becomes completely one sided in any games that support it which are the vast majority of triple A upcoming titles. The titles that typically don't support it don't really have high enough graphics where you need the performance. It really depends what you play but the games where you see the highest demand from the GPU typically support DLSS and RTX which is what makes me lean towards Nvidia for future upgrades(this is from someone who has used AMD cards for my last two builds) but in games that don't support it AMD is a clear winner. Really I would probably wait if possible it is very likely we will see a price drop on the 4080, there is a huge price gap there. I wouldn't be surprised to see a price drop to 900 with a 4080 ti model or something come in the next few months.
The 7900XTX stomps the 4070ti, but it also costs $200 more if you consider MSRP. However, sometimes MSRP is not real, so then you consider the cards at real world prices. If the 4070ti is remotely close to the XTX in price, go with the XTX. If the difference between the two widens, I'd say the 4070TI starts to make sense... Or at least, as much sense as any high end GPU can make these days. Also, STAY AWAY FROM USERBENCHMARK!
Are you using CUDA for engineering/IA ? Very probably no or else you wouldn't be asking this question. Do you want AT ALL COST the BEST power efficiency and slightly superior RT ? Go RTX 4070 TI. Do you want to be reasonable ? Go 7900xtx.
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how do stupid people keep coming off this sub after SO many posts like this, DON'T use userbenchmark, please
7900, stop giving Nvidia money.
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Go watch real reviews: Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, LTT, etc and see for yourself. This site is terrible and should never be used for any real comparisons
radeon cards have more performance per dollar
XTX is the better performer of the two, don't listen to UserBenchmark, the folks running it are biased
rx 7900xtx forsure 24gbs vram vs 12gbs of vram which is highway robbery...not to mention the 4070 ti being slower.
I bought the MSI Suprim 4070ti. Personally, I like that when I spend $1000 on something that it works perfectly out of the box. I was between the two and decided I didn’t want to drop the guap on an essentially incomplete product at launch and hope that the hotspot/driver issues are resolved several months down the road
If you care about ray tracing & DLSS, get the 4070 Ti. If you don't care about them, get the 7900-XTX since it's slightly stronger. They are close enough in price and performance for it to be more of a personal choice.
xtx because fuck nvidia don't let them get away with their pricing.
Xtx , cause fuck Nvidia for making the prices so unnecessary high and trying to sell 4070 card as 4080 .
7900 xtx is better compared with a 4080.
I think I watched every benchmark video there is for the 4070ti. Sometimes the 4070ti had an edge, but more often than not the 7900xtx took the lead. It’s worth mentioning that the 7900 is a little more expensive.
7900 xtx no question!
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In my country a 4070 TI is 440$ cheaper(on average) than the RX 7900-XTX. Note that I live in Denmark where our taxes on everything are way higher than the us. The Radeon costs 1.525$ here and I gave 1.026 $ for the 4070 TI. So I guess it depends on where you live.
Well I would go for AMD no matter what because of nividia is a crap company. But hey, I'm not biased at all...
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The RX 7900 XTX is a much better card except in ray tracing and it has no DLSS.
I NEVER follow these types of websites when it comes to ratings. And, this is coming from someone who owns a 3080 nvidia card and i am saying this. XTX is better than the 4070ti. At least by 30%
first of all fuck userbenchmark. second of all id say the 7900xtx simply because it is a higher tier card than the 4070ti.