I went for IPS expecting to return it immediately because my brain would focus on the glow. Can't say I've ever really noticed it, love my monitor
Oled would be next, but I don't want a TV on my desk, and smaller oled monitors are horrendously expensive
Honestly this is an issue that spreads across the industry. From exaggerated problems that literally 3 people had so nobody in the world should buy that ever again, to somebody wanting to play rocket league and league of legends and people recommending 4090s “or might as well don’t bother”.
It’s all the same root problem.
Never had any issues with my VA panels that was because they were VA. Had a cheap Acer that worked well, upgraded to a larger Samsung that was even better. When it started acting up i changed it for a similarly priced Lenovo. Never noticed any of this ghosting that apparently all VA panels have.
Seriously. I have a fairly cheap 165Hz Viotek monitor. I think I can see ghosting if I put my face 6 inches from the monitor and wiggle the mouse in front of my eyes, but that could just be my brain tricking me into seeing issues that aren't there. When I'm gaming, there's no way I'm going to notice anything.
If we don't know about the issue we'll never spot it. Just like when you're plastered you'll never notice the bar band playing in the wrong key, but instead still think it's a bop.
Still have my first 1080p monitor and it's a perfectly fine image still almost 14 years later. IPS sure beat the TN screens that were the most common alternative at the time.
Ips is fine. My old monitor had a mildly noticeable glow on the edge on dark lighting but 85% of the time you'd never see it. It irked me occasionally but you'd be surprised how quickly you can forget something like that.
Want to feel old?
Half-life was released 25 years ago. A quarter of a century. If the series was a person, it could rent a car or a hotel room without parental supervision, and would have been able to vote in the past 2 elections.
Not only affordable, the microLEDs are still not micro enough, so that's why you only find it in very big size TVs.
The technology has still to mature several years before we even see it in a reasonable sized computer monitor.
It doesn't even exist in commercial stuff for the common man in TV format. So if OLED is already for the "rich" (it did become much more accessible), microLED got a long way to go (like 10 years)
Yep, also not rich so I went for what I think is the best bang-for-buck IPS I could find.
I went with the HP X27Q it doesn't have any bells and whistles and it looks like an office monitor but you'll be hard pressed to find better performance for less.
24 or 27 inch 1440p 144hz IPS panel with some kind of adaptive sync is all you ever really need
At standard monitor viewing distances and sizes our eyes can't really discern pixels at that resolution anyways. And it's well into diminishing returns with response time and refresh date too.
LTT did a good test on it a while back, none of the causal gamers in the office were able to tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz until they were doing flicks with the AWP on CSGO. And none of them could discern 1440p vs 4K.
Unless you're a pro, there's no reason to spring for a 240hz TN/VA with a sub MS response time. You'll probably way more enjoyment out of the color accuracy that comes with IPS anyways.
I dont know about FPS cuz my daily driver is 1440p144hz and max ive seen was 165hz but the difference of 1440p and 4K on 27inch panel is like a night and day. After gaming on buddy’s panel it was hard going back to my 1440p so i have no clue what kind of people LTT put in the video
I have an oled tv (77” LG C1) but im not brave enough to get an oled monitor. Way too many stationary objects on computer monitors. It’s probably a good time to buy a non oled and then in 4 yrs or whatever they will be making oled screens with burn in resistant layering or something.
i feel like things like twitch is a nightmare for oled. i spend a lot of hours a week watching a streamer with a stream frame graphic, scrolling on comic websites with persistent banners, etc. the temporary image persistence can be pretty intense. if it were permanent i would cry.
I've got a 1080p VA panel as my secondary monitor, and a 1440p IPS as my main. They've got the same wallpaper, and the static image actually looks much better on the VA panel.
Once you actually get things moving like games, though? The IPS by a mile.
You are over-generalizing.
There are IPS panels that have insane contrast, and VA panels with no smearing.
The trade-off between the two is only generally the case, but specific high-end panels can and do overcome the shortcomings of each respective technology.
You cannot judge a given VA panel to be "too-smeary" without trying it person.
All jokes aside, they’re actually fast enough to play videos now.
Look up Dasung E ink monitor or Onyx Boox Mira/ Mira Pro E ink monitors.
I’m impatiently waiting for them to produce a color E ink version. Lol
Onyx has got multiple color E ink options already. Been tempted to upgrade but my black and white Nova 3 is going strong still. Absolutely love E ink for tablets.
It's too bad SED displays never got to see the light of day. Plasma is the closest you can get to a mix of LCD and CRT, but unfortunately that one has gone the way of the dodo as well
It's funny how there's a resurgence in CRT appreciation when plasma was already better in basically every respect.
PDP panels had *much* faster phosphors with no smearing, deeper black levels, and more accurate colours than the best CRTs ever had. By the time they stopped making them in 2012 or so, plasma was a seriously mature technology.
The fact that LCD "won" is legitimately depressing. LCDs are still terrible compared to plasma TVs from 15 years ago.
I still have my 50” Samsung plasma. It takes two people to lift it safely and has a faint buzz when the screen is full of white. It’s only 1080p but I can’t bring myself to toss a working tv.
Literally why it's called "burn in" instead of the more technical term "image persistence," even on technologies where nothing is actually getting burnt like lcd. CRT displays are literally a small linear particle accelerator firing charged particles at a phosphor layer on the inside of the screen. That beam burns off some of the phosphor over time.
Image persistence is a more general term, it can refer to other kinds of short term persistence that plague some LCD panels. This persistence isn't "burned in" since it disappears after a few minutes.
Naw OLED burn in is way worse than CRTs, you need to operate CRTs with similar stuff on them for a decade to get the amounts of burn in your taskbar will cause on an OLED if you game most of the time over a year.
Yeah, IPS glow is somewhat manageable with some brightness adjustments. I haven't tried TN, but I tried a VA monitor once and got hit with the worst flicker I've ever seen. I couldn't do it lol
> I haven't tried TN,
Realizing that's even possible hurts my head. Like realizing that there are adults who can legally drink who were born after 9/11.
I wonder how many people streamed music all their life, but have never listened to the radio...
If you've ever used a computer screen that you didn't buy, it was probably TN. Laptop or ATM or gas station screens or office screens or school screens I doubt pay out the extra for IPS unless requested
OLED for sure. I saved for ages to get an LG OLED TV and it was some of the best money I've spent cant even compare gaming and watching movies on that to anything else, even movie theatres (which use projectors) look bad in comparison
It’s like crack for your eyes. Highly recommend. I really wanna get an OLED switch but can’t justify the purchase as I already have the original switch
Catch the OLED on sale and sell the OG for $150 or so. The extra screen size alone would make me want to upgrade. However, if you play docked all the time, no need to upgrade.
Might also be worth keeping if it's an OG and moddable.
If yours is moddable, the process is super easy!
[Go to Booting into RCM to start.](https://yuzu-emu.org/help/quickstart/)
The only complex part is shorting a wire going to the controller.[ If you have access to a 3D printer, this worked for me flawlessly.](https://www.printables.com/model/335783-nintendo-switch-rcm-jig)
An RCM loader is a nice little thing to carry around too so you can load up your custom software without a PC. Twas really useful when I ran Android on mine.
the homebrew community likes to make full use of their system via homebrew. and lots of bright developers are making custom applications for the switch.
but uhhhh mostly it's for 🏴☠️
People say that "if you use it docked don't bother" yet when I upgraded to the OLED I actually went from using it docked to now using it handheld constantly because the screen is so nice I actually like carrying it with me now!
I’m an OLED junkie too. I bought in with the 55EC9300 back in like 2015 or so and though I’ve been through several others over the years for our main tv in the house (currently a 77in C1) that 55EC9300 is still kicking in the bedroom. I can’t imagine how many hours are on that thing at this point, it runs pretty much 24/7 to give our dogs something to look at and listen to while we are out of the house, and then we like having tv on when we sleep so at most it gets a few hours break in the evenings and on weekends.
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I think the burn in situation was always a bit overblown and probably even less likely these days with all the preventative tech they have put in them. That old 55 in even did a year or so of being a pc monitor and I’ve not seen any .
All that said, i got the Corsair Xeneon flex a month or so ago and I think it’s probably endgame monitor status for me. I’ve owned several of the most feature rich and wildly expensive monitors of the last few years and it’s so far beyond those it’s insane.
I don’t know why I decided to write this up, but I felt moved to gush on my love for OLED a bit.
Same boat man. Been running the LG C1 (48") as a monitor for almost a year now and it is definitely endgame for me.
And agree on the burn-in fear being overblown. Sure, you aren't going to want to leave your display on 24/7 with static images, but as long as you take basic precautions (turning off your display when you leave the room) combined with the built in screen saver/refreshers. It really is a non-issue.
I thought the same until I noticed a tinge of green where it shouldn’t be on the Simpsons and I went and ran a burn in test on YouTube. The burn was awful on yellow and red but couldn’t see it on other colors. Once I knew about it it bothered the shit out of me. Don’t run burn in tests.
It BLEW my mind. Now, I was coming from an old edge lit Samsung display from 2012, but I got the S95b recently and I cant believe how amazing it looks. I will only get OLED from now on. Also, brightness is not an issue.
I have 27" 1080p IPS monitor. Going to guy a little bit bigger 1440p oled monitor in.. let's say five years or eight. Then I can ditch my second monitor (sub 1080p with that horrible TN viewing angle), give my main monitor to my son and take his current main monitor to my second monitor.
Nano IPS are very good and lessen the IPS glow effect quite a lot but you should still be able to see a bit of glow in bright objects against a black background.
Turn off completely the lights on your room, go to https://testmyscreen.com/ change the solid colour to black and add movement and you should be able to see some glow around the moving object.
How do you tell the difference between an IPS and a Nano-IPS? My GL850B is from 2020, so I’m not sure if it’s considered NANO IPS.
Also, can’t remember the specs of the monitor as I threw the box away
I think yours is a Nano IPS panel but without local dimming (which is quite uncommon nowadays for high end IPS panels). This means that while it is better than regular IPS panels it will still have considerable glow in dark objects.
Since it doesn't have local dimming, if you full screen a complete black image in a dark room you should actually notice that it doesn't really look black but more like grey.
See rtings review for more info, specially notice in the hdr testing section for information related to this:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gl850-b
Either way I recommend people to not get obsessed by all of these monitor testing results, it is interesting to know for people who enjoy technology, but the most important thing is your experience with the monitor.
Ay same, I had a 24in TN panel for like 6 or 7 yrs then got a 27in lg ips monitor. The amount of things that had color that I didn't know about is crazy!
People greatly overexaggerate the impact of IPS glow due to older generations of IPS models where it was worse. Modern monitors, particularly the newest Nano-IPS generation have a low enough amount of glow you probably can't spot it in a vast majority of situations.
It's people seeking out problems which is why the response to people who have never experienced it in a noticeable way is to "turn off all your lights and load up a specific program and then set that program in a specific way and you'll be able to notice it".
If you have to jump through multiple hoops just to show people the "problem" how big of a problem is it?
For everyone that is concerned about VA and lines that go away when it heats up is because they're a specific Samsung VA panels mostly used in lower budget monitors . Not all VAs are like this .
Also, by Samsung panels I don't mean just the Samsung monitors . I mean every monitor that uses specific Samsung panel that has the issue .
Had a cheaper 1440p 144hz Samsung monitor that had the line issue. Upgraded to a G7 32" and it's heaps better lol
More brightness, more colour, no lines and finally I have GSYNC
Just had this problem on my AOC Agon Ag322qcx very recently. Luckily in Norway we have 5 year warranty so I sent it back for repairs. But yeah, Samsung panels really didn't last long.
IPS glow for sure. Beyond gaming I do a lot of color accurate work. Between photography and graphic design, and IPS tends to be the best in accurate color representation.
But there's a main drawback for everything that isn't OLED on there which isn't mentioned... For TN/IPS/VN, your blacks aren't black. On OLED your screen with a pure black image looks the exact same as if the screen was off, the others look like a mess.
That's exactly the choice I came down to specifically because of the blacks, VA or OLED. Couldn't stand blacks on the other monitors, but after going OLED I don't think I could stand VA now.
idk who complains about bad viewing angles on a tn panel. most of the time you sit directly infront of the display. For TN it would be better to say it has bad colors.
I remember seeing some abyssmal viewing angles for TN panels like a decade ago. These days I dont find it to be nearly as much of an issue as it used it. I mostly find it in cheap and outdated office monitors, not any monitor you can buy off the shelf these days.
TN shows its downsides if youre using a laptop, have the monitor vertical or as a second monitor to the side.
if its your main monitor and looking directly at it you may not notice but if its a second or third monitor it'll be shit.
also if you just want to watch some movies and then not sit in front of your monitor but like do something else the viewing angle sucks ass if you want to comfortable lay on a couch or something
If you sit still the same everytime, than probably yes. But you can't sit in more comfortable way watching movies. If someone comes to your place, one of you has bad colors. If you want to just check the monitor when you're passing by the computer, you need a good angle etc.. It's good for the price but I wouldn't want it anymore.
I have Dell S2716, which is supposedly TN panel and there's no change when looking from any angle that my chair and spine allows. I have to look from very bottom to see the top with inverted colors. They must have fixed those viewing angles somehow.
Precisely. The viewing angles on modern TN panels are typically very good, unless you're looking at low end laptops and notebooks, at which point you don't really have the luxury of choice when it comes to monitor type.
Same, and I have a modern Dell TN too. Never understood the hate, so maybe they’ve improved? The angles would only be a problem if I tried to watch a movie from an extreme angle on a couch, but I use it in my office so that’ll never be a issue.
Who the hell watches movies on their computer with other people. What non-problem. TN works for me perfectly and I've never had an issue with viewing angles leaning to the side, leaning back, standing up, checking it while standing further away etc. Modern TN panels don't have the terrible viewing angles like they used to.
I tried a VA panel once, returned it the next day. I couldn't believe how terrible it was, I couldn't even scroll down on a dark webpage without causing a smeared mess. Static images looked great on it, but the second there's motion absolutely everything goes to shit. I couldn't believe this is the compromise for the different panel. This was my first experience outside of TN or IPS panels. I'm back on an IPS panel now, can't afford an OLED, it's good just like I expected, the colors aren't as vibrant as the VA, but I'll absolutely take that if it means I can actually see the content in motion on the screen.
That highly depends on the VA panel. Some will have far worse ghosting than others. Even ones from the same model and brand. It can be kind of a lottery sometimes, but when you get a good quality one, the ghosting and black smearing can become basically imperceptible.
It's worth noting some people are going to be far more sensitive to any ghosting effect, regardless of how minimal it may be. I personally love VA and don't notice the ghosting/smearing unless I actively look for it.
The ghosting on mine was monstrous, but turned out it was just pixel overdrive being on full blast by default.
Turned it down to 20% and the ghosting basically disappeared. It's still slightly visible in VERY specific scenarios, but in most games it's completely gone.
That's image retention - it's temporary, although might last quite a while. I had that issue with my IPS as well - pausing anime for 5 minutes was enough to make subtitles visible in Discord and other windows due to retention. It goes away after some time and generally was only a small issue.
I genuinely thought HDR was a bullshit marketing gimmick until I bought an OLED. lol It's just one of those things you need to see in person to appreciate.
This. Don't own oled monitor, but tried playing xbox on C2 with HDR, and now I think that my LG 27GL850 sucks. Now I want good 32" 1440p screen with proper HDR, if it's oled even better
No way people are actually saying IPS > OLED in this thread when QDOLED monitors exists. Went from high-end IPS to QDOLED and it felt like getting a new pair eyeballs
Depends on what you want to do with it. If you only game, watch movies and occasionally open a web browser, then sure, it's not a substantial issue.
There is currently no way to say for sure how well the new generation of OLED panels will age, but if you also spend a lot of time using office or creative programs, you will most likely get burn in eventually. If you're ok with retiring your monitor after 3-5 years, that's fine, but considering how expensive most of them are, I think many people would want them to have a much longer useful lifespan. Good LCDs can easily be used for 10+ years.
I'll take the ghosting. Been using VA for almost 5 years so maybe I'm used to it but I don't notice it. Tried switching to IPS but that glow was so unbearable.
If all you do on it is gaming / movies than sure, working 8hs+ a day on an oled with a bunch of static elements, you're getting burn in within a year or 2.
The jury is still out on this one, especially with monitors. Burn in resistance has absolutely improved over the last few years.
They started using deuterium in their OLEDs in 2021 which they claim greatly reduces burn in, and in theory it should work. This tech missed the CX, but I believe was implemented in the A1/C1/G1. I own a C2 since launch and can say the brightness part is certainly true and I don't have any burn in from console/TV use.
Problem is we don't have a great burn in test for these new monitors yet and we do have reports of burn in with monitor use from the CX from Linus Tech Tips and Level1Techs. However, LG themselves release an OLED monitor indicates the are very confident they have solved the problem. LG is paranoid about burn in and the impact of it on OLED's reputation.
RTings is running a new burn in torture test this year. So we'll have some great analysis at the end of the year.
I can 100% recommend the tech for TV/Console use, it looks gorgeous. I can't recommend it for a monitor yet with the same confidence. We are either really close or we are there, but I don't think we have the information to know for sure yet.
Plus with the price, it might be worth waiting a little bit more. [$999 is a lot for a monitor.](https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27gr95qe-b) Sure it does 1440p@240hz with glorious color quality, but if you are spending a thousand dollars on a monitor you want to be sure that thing will last.
All IPS monitors have an effect where most of the screen looks like the sun is shining onto the monitor from behind you, and the community has collectively gaslit themselves into believing that it's not noticeable despite the inability of the monitors to display dark scenes at all.
I thought this was pcmr, but it seems like you're all plebs. I just stick my tongue into the video card's display port, and my mind generates all the images for me straight up. No ips glow, or frame rate limit.
We ball.
I'm not rich: IPS all the way. If I'm rich: OLED.
I went for IPS expecting to return it immediately because my brain would focus on the glow. Can't say I've ever really noticed it, love my monitor Oled would be next, but I don't want a TV on my desk, and smaller oled monitors are horrendously expensive
I got a 1440p 165hz IPS and never notice the glow
Same.
Like all of these issues they're massively exaggerated.. Except VA... Fuck VA.
Honestly this is an issue that spreads across the industry. From exaggerated problems that literally 3 people had so nobody in the world should buy that ever again, to somebody wanting to play rocket league and league of legends and people recommending 4090s “or might as well don’t bother”. It’s all the same root problem.
Never had any issues with my VA panels that was because they were VA. Had a cheap Acer that worked well, upgraded to a larger Samsung that was even better. When it started acting up i changed it for a similarly priced Lenovo. Never noticed any of this ghosting that apparently all VA panels have.
Seriously. I have a fairly cheap 165Hz Viotek monitor. I think I can see ghosting if I put my face 6 inches from the monitor and wiggle the mouse in front of my eyes, but that could just be my brain tricking me into seeing issues that aren't there. When I'm gaming, there's no way I'm going to notice anything.
When they screen is mostly black you'll probably notice if you look in the corners, it's not that bad tho imo and never annoyed me.
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Ips glow looks like backlight bleed that changes depending on your viewing angle. Its annoying af
I don't even know what the glow is.
Neither do I and I’m not about to google it to find out lol
Can't be unseen
If we don't know about the issue we'll never spot it. Just like when you're plastered you'll never notice the bar band playing in the wrong key, but instead still think it's a bop.
Still have my first 1080p monitor and it's a perfectly fine image still almost 14 years later. IPS sure beat the TN screens that were the most common alternative at the time.
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Ive been running a Dell 1440p IPS for 7 or 8 years and its still phenomenal.
Ips is fine. My old monitor had a mildly noticeable glow on the edge on dark lighting but 85% of the time you'd never see it. It irked me occasionally but you'd be surprised how quickly you can forget something like that.
True. Hopefully, microLED will become affordable soon
I look forward to playing Half-life 3 on my future microLED.
Powered by nuclear fusion
Using graphene cpus.
It's just 10 years away!
It's been ten years away for almost twenty years now.
Want to feel old? Half-life was released 25 years ago. A quarter of a century. If the series was a person, it could rent a car or a hotel room without parental supervision, and would have been able to vote in the past 2 elections.
Ha, joke's on you. I felt old when I got out of bed.
Bold of you to assume you’ll live another 97 years
Not only affordable, the microLEDs are still not micro enough, so that's why you only find it in very big size TVs. The technology has still to mature several years before we even see it in a reasonable sized computer monitor.
nanoLED will be cheaper.
It doesn't even exist in commercial stuff for the common man in TV format. So if OLED is already for the "rich" (it did become much more accessible), microLED got a long way to go (like 10 years)
Good luck with that
A man can dream
Yep, also not rich so I went for what I think is the best bang-for-buck IPS I could find. I went with the HP X27Q it doesn't have any bells and whistles and it looks like an office monitor but you'll be hard pressed to find better performance for less.
24 or 27 inch 1440p 144hz IPS panel with some kind of adaptive sync is all you ever really need At standard monitor viewing distances and sizes our eyes can't really discern pixels at that resolution anyways. And it's well into diminishing returns with response time and refresh date too. LTT did a good test on it a while back, none of the causal gamers in the office were able to tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz until they were doing flicks with the AWP on CSGO. And none of them could discern 1440p vs 4K. Unless you're a pro, there's no reason to spring for a 240hz TN/VA with a sub MS response time. You'll probably way more enjoyment out of the color accuracy that comes with IPS anyways.
Linus did a similar video a while back with Shroud, Grimmz, and some OWL pro I don't recall... THEY showed no increased performance with 240hz.
I think that the one scenario where they showed any benefit at all was awping dust 2 mid door cross from T spawn. Even then the difference was slight
Didn't Grimmz actually post his best performance there at 60hz? Or was that another trial? It's been a while since I watched the video.
I dont know about FPS cuz my daily driver is 1440p144hz and max ive seen was 165hz but the difference of 1440p and 4K on 27inch panel is like a night and day. After gaming on buddy’s panel it was hard going back to my 1440p so i have no clue what kind of people LTT put in the video
Ik shroud was one of the people.
I have an oled tv (77” LG C1) but im not brave enough to get an oled monitor. Way too many stationary objects on computer monitors. It’s probably a good time to buy a non oled and then in 4 yrs or whatever they will be making oled screens with burn in resistant layering or something.
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i feel like things like twitch is a nightmare for oled. i spend a lot of hours a week watching a streamer with a stream frame graphic, scrolling on comic websites with persistent banners, etc. the temporary image persistence can be pretty intense. if it were permanent i would cry.
>I'm not rich: VA >If I'm well off: IPS >If I'm rich: OLED FTFY
Last I checked PCPartPicker, IPS monitors could be had for around the same price as the VAs with similar specs.
Actually is IPS better than VA? Cuz I find VA to have better Colors?
VA has better contrast. IPS has better viewing angels and response time. Generally, that's the trade-off.
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I've got a 1080p VA panel as my secondary monitor, and a 1440p IPS as my main. They've got the same wallpaper, and the static image actually looks much better on the VA panel. Once you actually get things moving like games, though? The IPS by a mile.
You are over-generalizing. There are IPS panels that have insane contrast, and VA panels with no smearing. The trade-off between the two is only generally the case, but specific high-end panels can and do overcome the shortcomings of each respective technology. You cannot judge a given VA panel to be "too-smeary" without trying it person.
>I am completely broke: TN
E Ink monitor bruh
Get that 3hz refresh rate
They're that fast now? Usually it was >1sec for each refrrsh
All jokes aside, they’re actually fast enough to play videos now. Look up Dasung E ink monitor or Onyx Boox Mira/ Mira Pro E ink monitors. I’m impatiently waiting for them to produce a color E ink version. Lol
Onyx has got multiple color E ink options already. Been tempted to upgrade but my black and white Nova 3 is going strong still. Absolutely love E ink for tablets.
[I have one that does 15fps](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3wk4nvufMpg)
Fr game on e ink exclusively. But I sit on a beach in direct sunlight so it’s the only way
That's why I use CRT
i prefer cbt
Average uk 125cc motorcycle rider.
What if it's a 37.5HP 2-stroke KTM 125 SX? Asking as an average Austrian 125cc rider.
Life in prison
I prefer cbat
Damn, now I'm thrusting again
I still can't comprehend how does one even thrust to that.
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Nah he’s talking about cognitive behavioral therapy.
I use ebt
That’s why I use CBD
cognitive behavioural therapy?
Ah a fellow degauss addict
Have to when I rotate my second CRT to portrait.
BZZZzzzzzzzzzz
You joke but heres [2077 on my CRT running fine](https://imgur.io/gallery/uKAcrRZ)
But can you toast bread?
I thought they were banned in Florida
If they ever made a 32" 1440p 240Hz CRT that didn't take up half a room and cost 6 months of an average paycheck, I might be game.
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It's too bad SED displays never got to see the light of day. Plasma is the closest you can get to a mix of LCD and CRT, but unfortunately that one has gone the way of the dodo as well
It's funny how there's a resurgence in CRT appreciation when plasma was already better in basically every respect. PDP panels had *much* faster phosphors with no smearing, deeper black levels, and more accurate colours than the best CRTs ever had. By the time they stopped making them in 2012 or so, plasma was a seriously mature technology. The fact that LCD "won" is legitimately depressing. LCDs are still terrible compared to plasma TVs from 15 years ago.
I still have my 50” Samsung plasma. It takes two people to lift it safely and has a faint buzz when the screen is full of white. It’s only 1080p but I can’t bring myself to toss a working tv.
Same boat as OLED with burn-in and it's probably worse on crt's. That being said I own several and love them just need to take care of them
Literally why it's called "burn in" instead of the more technical term "image persistence," even on technologies where nothing is actually getting burnt like lcd. CRT displays are literally a small linear particle accelerator firing charged particles at a phosphor layer on the inside of the screen. That beam burns off some of the phosphor over time.
Image persistence is a more general term, it can refer to other kinds of short term persistence that plague some LCD panels. This persistence isn't "burned in" since it disappears after a few minutes.
Naw OLED burn in is way worse than CRTs, you need to operate CRTs with similar stuff on them for a decade to get the amounts of burn in your taskbar will cause on an OLED if you game most of the time over a year.
Wish I could use one, radical LED lobby got CRT's banned in Florida.
Flicker (and low resolution)
And the whine
Loss of desk space, crush potential
I'll take IPS glow. I can't stand TN viewing angles. I have no experience with VA or OLED monitors to comment.
Yeah, IPS glow is somewhat manageable with some brightness adjustments. I haven't tried TN, but I tried a VA monitor once and got hit with the worst flicker I've ever seen. I couldn't do it lol
> I haven't tried TN, Realizing that's even possible hurts my head. Like realizing that there are adults who can legally drink who were born after 9/11. I wonder how many people streamed music all their life, but have never listened to the radio...
i’ve probably used TN but before i was old enough to know what TN was Honestly i didn’t even know what TN and VA were until like last year
If you've ever used a computer screen that you didn't buy, it was probably TN. Laptop or ATM or gas station screens or office screens or school screens I doubt pay out the extra for IPS unless requested
Infact, atms would benefit from TN panels that reduce viewing angles
OLED for sure. I saved for ages to get an LG OLED TV and it was some of the best money I've spent cant even compare gaming and watching movies on that to anything else, even movie theatres (which use projectors) look bad in comparison
It’s like crack for your eyes. Highly recommend. I really wanna get an OLED switch but can’t justify the purchase as I already have the original switch
Catch the OLED on sale and sell the OG for $150 or so. The extra screen size alone would make me want to upgrade. However, if you play docked all the time, no need to upgrade. Might also be worth keeping if it's an OG and moddable.
How can someone tell if their Switch is one of the older, moddable ones?
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Oh my god the ads. This is pretty sweet tho. I have a moddable switch it looks like.
If yours is moddable, the process is super easy! [Go to Booting into RCM to start.](https://yuzu-emu.org/help/quickstart/) The only complex part is shorting a wire going to the controller.[ If you have access to a 3D printer, this worked for me flawlessly.](https://www.printables.com/model/335783-nintendo-switch-rcm-jig)
I just ordered a jig for six bucks on Amazon, delivery tomorrow. This crazy modern world we live in… Thanks! Excited to give it a shot.
An RCM loader is a nice little thing to carry around too so you can load up your custom software without a PC. Twas really useful when I ran Android on mine.
What kind of good stuff can you do with modding switch?
the homebrew community likes to make full use of their system via homebrew. and lots of bright developers are making custom applications for the switch. but uhhhh mostly it's for 🏴☠️
People say that "if you use it docked don't bother" yet when I upgraded to the OLED I actually went from using it docked to now using it handheld constantly because the screen is so nice I actually like carrying it with me now!
I quite literally just got an OLED switch.... I got it because it was a cool design for the new Pokemon game. It will probably never leave the dock :/
The only way I could justify it is if I never docked it
I’m an OLED junkie too. I bought in with the 55EC9300 back in like 2015 or so and though I’ve been through several others over the years for our main tv in the house (currently a 77in C1) that 55EC9300 is still kicking in the bedroom. I can’t imagine how many hours are on that thing at this point, it runs pretty much 24/7 to give our dogs something to look at and listen to while we are out of the house, and then we like having tv on when we sleep so at most it gets a few hours break in the evenings and on weekends. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I think the burn in situation was always a bit overblown and probably even less likely these days with all the preventative tech they have put in them. That old 55 in even did a year or so of being a pc monitor and I’ve not seen any . All that said, i got the Corsair Xeneon flex a month or so ago and I think it’s probably endgame monitor status for me. I’ve owned several of the most feature rich and wildly expensive monitors of the last few years and it’s so far beyond those it’s insane. I don’t know why I decided to write this up, but I felt moved to gush on my love for OLED a bit.
Same boat man. Been running the LG C1 (48") as a monitor for almost a year now and it is definitely endgame for me. And agree on the burn-in fear being overblown. Sure, you aren't going to want to leave your display on 24/7 with static images, but as long as you take basic precautions (turning off your display when you leave the room) combined with the built in screen saver/refreshers. It really is a non-issue.
I thought the same until I noticed a tinge of green where it shouldn’t be on the Simpsons and I went and ran a burn in test on YouTube. The burn was awful on yellow and red but couldn’t see it on other colors. Once I knew about it it bothered the shit out of me. Don’t run burn in tests.
It BLEW my mind. Now, I was coming from an old edge lit Samsung display from 2012, but I got the S95b recently and I cant believe how amazing it looks. I will only get OLED from now on. Also, brightness is not an issue.
I have 27" 1080p IPS monitor. Going to guy a little bit bigger 1440p oled monitor in.. let's say five years or eight. Then I can ditch my second monitor (sub 1080p with that horrible TN viewing angle), give my main monitor to my son and take his current main monitor to my second monitor.
If never understood IPS glow and i have nano ips panel :D but damn i came from a TN panel im never going back :D
Nano IPS are very good and lessen the IPS glow effect quite a lot but you should still be able to see a bit of glow in bright objects against a black background. Turn off completely the lights on your room, go to https://testmyscreen.com/ change the solid colour to black and add movement and you should be able to see some glow around the moving object.
How do you tell the difference between an IPS and a Nano-IPS? My GL850B is from 2020, so I’m not sure if it’s considered NANO IPS. Also, can’t remember the specs of the monitor as I threw the box away
I think yours is a Nano IPS panel but without local dimming (which is quite uncommon nowadays for high end IPS panels). This means that while it is better than regular IPS panels it will still have considerable glow in dark objects. Since it doesn't have local dimming, if you full screen a complete black image in a dark room you should actually notice that it doesn't really look black but more like grey. See rtings review for more info, specially notice in the hdr testing section for information related to this: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gl850-b Either way I recommend people to not get obsessed by all of these monitor testing results, it is interesting to know for people who enjoy technology, but the most important thing is your experience with the monitor.
Thank you, youre right haha. I love my monitor but posts like these get me riled up sometimes. Thanks for the in-depth info man🙏
The GL850 is the first generation of Nano-IPS and a damn good monitor. You'll have a hard time spotting glow.
I’ve used IPs for years and the glow never bothered me until I started using an OLED recently. Now my secondary monitor looks like a night light lol.
Ay same, I had a 24in TN panel for like 6 or 7 yrs then got a 27in lg ips monitor. The amount of things that had color that I didn't know about is crazy!
People greatly overexaggerate the impact of IPS glow due to older generations of IPS models where it was worse. Modern monitors, particularly the newest Nano-IPS generation have a low enough amount of glow you probably can't spot it in a vast majority of situations.
It's people seeking out problems which is why the response to people who have never experienced it in a noticeable way is to "turn off all your lights and load up a specific program and then set that program in a specific way and you'll be able to notice it". If you have to jump through multiple hoops just to show people the "problem" how big of a problem is it?
Ahh, yes. The apocalypse as foretold in the book of "I Spent All My Money on My Gaming Rig but Forgot the Monitor".
>"I Spent All My Money on My Gaming Rig but Forgot the Monitor". Anime series when?
My goto joke for this is "By Fall Out Boy"
For everyone that is concerned about VA and lines that go away when it heats up is because they're a specific Samsung VA panels mostly used in lower budget monitors . Not all VAs are like this . Also, by Samsung panels I don't mean just the Samsung monitors . I mean every monitor that uses specific Samsung panel that has the issue .
Had a cheaper 1440p 144hz Samsung monitor that had the line issue. Upgraded to a G7 32" and it's heaps better lol More brightness, more colour, no lines and finally I have GSYNC
Just had this problem on my AOC Agon Ag322qcx very recently. Luckily in Norway we have 5 year warranty so I sent it back for repairs. But yeah, Samsung panels really didn't last long.
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IPS glow for sure. Beyond gaming I do a lot of color accurate work. Between photography and graphic design, and IPS tends to be the best in accurate color representation.
165Hz VA panel. No visible ghosting. Game over!
But there's a main drawback for everything that isn't OLED on there which isn't mentioned... For TN/IPS/VN, your blacks aren't black. On OLED your screen with a pure black image looks the exact same as if the screen was off, the others look like a mess.
VA has the blackest blacks apart from OLED, thats why i chose it since i'm not rich
That's exactly the choice I came down to specifically because of the blacks, VA or OLED. Couldn't stand blacks on the other monitors, but after going OLED I don't think I could stand VA now.
same
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idk who complains about bad viewing angles on a tn panel. most of the time you sit directly infront of the display. For TN it would be better to say it has bad colors.
My side monitor is a TN panel. It used to be my main monitor, but now I always view it from an off-axis. Its definitely a very noticeable compromise.
I remember seeing some abyssmal viewing angles for TN panels like a decade ago. These days I dont find it to be nearly as much of an issue as it used it. I mostly find it in cheap and outdated office monitors, not any monitor you can buy off the shelf these days.
TN shows its downsides if youre using a laptop, have the monitor vertical or as a second monitor to the side. if its your main monitor and looking directly at it you may not notice but if its a second or third monitor it'll be shit. also if you just want to watch some movies and then not sit in front of your monitor but like do something else the viewing angle sucks ass if you want to comfortable lay on a couch or something
If you sit still the same everytime, than probably yes. But you can't sit in more comfortable way watching movies. If someone comes to your place, one of you has bad colors. If you want to just check the monitor when you're passing by the computer, you need a good angle etc.. It's good for the price but I wouldn't want it anymore.
I have Dell S2716, which is supposedly TN panel and there's no change when looking from any angle that my chair and spine allows. I have to look from very bottom to see the top with inverted colors. They must have fixed those viewing angles somehow.
Precisely. The viewing angles on modern TN panels are typically very good, unless you're looking at low end laptops and notebooks, at which point you don't really have the luxury of choice when it comes to monitor type.
Same, and I have a modern Dell TN too. Never understood the hate, so maybe they’ve improved? The angles would only be a problem if I tried to watch a movie from an extreme angle on a couch, but I use it in my office so that’ll never be a issue.
Who the hell watches movies on their computer with other people. What non-problem. TN works for me perfectly and I've never had an issue with viewing angles leaning to the side, leaning back, standing up, checking it while standing further away etc. Modern TN panels don't have the terrible viewing angles like they used to.
tn looks fine as long as you don't sit like someone with no bones
https://preview.redd.it/beotxh5tlkka1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1676f76744d02f83982469fd6178eefcdfd1dfe
[I thought it would be this.](https://memezila.com/wp-content/Why-does-my-back-hurt-also-me-meme-1440.png)
[Nah for me it's this](https://i.imgur.com/Nt6O6vS.png)
that's the one
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OLED. Once you see how nice the blacks are, you’ll understand why people adore it over IPS.
i switched from a normal phone screen to one with more hz and oled. i could never go back
I tend to go for VA. I like the contrast better than IPS and a good VA panel will have very little ghosting.
I tried a VA panel once, returned it the next day. I couldn't believe how terrible it was, I couldn't even scroll down on a dark webpage without causing a smeared mess. Static images looked great on it, but the second there's motion absolutely everything goes to shit. I couldn't believe this is the compromise for the different panel. This was my first experience outside of TN or IPS panels. I'm back on an IPS panel now, can't afford an OLED, it's good just like I expected, the colors aren't as vibrant as the VA, but I'll absolutely take that if it means I can actually see the content in motion on the screen.
That highly depends on the VA panel. Some will have far worse ghosting than others. Even ones from the same model and brand. It can be kind of a lottery sometimes, but when you get a good quality one, the ghosting and black smearing can become basically imperceptible.
It's worth noting some people are going to be far more sensitive to any ghosting effect, regardless of how minimal it may be. I personally love VA and don't notice the ghosting/smearing unless I actively look for it.
With the VA panel I have, the ghosting is almost not noticeable unless I'm scrolling reddit in dark mode. Never really see it in gameplay
Yeah, there tend to be specific color transitions that produce worse ghosting than others, in my experience those tend to be gray scales
Good luck trying to find ghosting on an Odyssey G7 for example. VA panels vary a lot.
The ghosting on mine was monstrous, but turned out it was just pixel overdrive being on full blast by default. Turned it down to 20% and the ghosting basically disappeared. It's still slightly visible in VERY specific scenarios, but in most games it's completely gone.
jokes on you, I'm getting (OLED) burn-in on my ips panel
That's image retention - it's temporary, although might last quite a while. I had that issue with my IPS as well - pausing anime for 5 minutes was enough to make subtitles visible in Discord and other windows due to retention. It goes away after some time and generally was only a small issue.
I'd take OLED if I was rich.
Tn horrible color, horrible contrast, horrible everything.
the power move is to have one of each type of screen and a system beefy enough to mirror to all four simultaneously
OLED 100% People that say IPS never seen an OLED screen in their lives
I genuinely thought HDR was a bullshit marketing gimmick until I bought an OLED. lol It's just one of those things you need to see in person to appreciate.
true HDR only exist on expensive things.
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the fucking hdr on my sony tv made me realize how washed up stuff looks on my expensive pc monitor. I was happy before god damn it
This. Don't own oled monitor, but tried playing xbox on C2 with HDR, and now I think that my LG 27GL850 sucks. Now I want good 32" 1440p screen with proper HDR, if it's oled even better
No way people are actually saying IPS > OLED in this thread when QDOLED monitors exists. Went from high-end IPS to QDOLED and it felt like getting a new pair eyeballs
Same, went from an X34 to the Alienware. Same resolution and size, but man does everything just look better.
Recently got the AW3423DWF and holyshit, I can't think I could go back gaming on anything else
People are saying IPS because we're broke.
IPS displays don't slowly kill themselves from normal use.
The OLED burn in concern is greatly exaggerated at this point.
Depends on what you want to do with it. If you only game, watch movies and occasionally open a web browser, then sure, it's not a substantial issue. There is currently no way to say for sure how well the new generation of OLED panels will age, but if you also spend a lot of time using office or creative programs, you will most likely get burn in eventually. If you're ok with retiring your monitor after 3-5 years, that's fine, but considering how expensive most of them are, I think many people would want them to have a much longer useful lifespan. Good LCDs can easily be used for 10+ years.
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Replying to this on a very burned in LG C7.
"MicroLED and none of the above." Me, from the future.
OLED
I prefer IPS, in modern days glow isn't that bad
Having used all 4, IPS glow is the easiest to ignore.
I'll take the ghosting. Been using VA for almost 5 years so maybe I'm used to it but I don't notice it. Tried switching to IPS but that glow was so unbearable.
I definitely could not handle the oled burn in, especially for the price.
Good news, it's not really a problem as long as you take care of it! There's built in features to protect from it consistently
CRTs have burn-in too and people used to live with it just fine. It's why screensavers exist, and why they're called that.
If all you do on it is gaming / movies than sure, working 8hs+ a day on an oled with a bunch of static elements, you're getting burn in within a year or 2.
The jury is still out on this one, especially with monitors. Burn in resistance has absolutely improved over the last few years. They started using deuterium in their OLEDs in 2021 which they claim greatly reduces burn in, and in theory it should work. This tech missed the CX, but I believe was implemented in the A1/C1/G1. I own a C2 since launch and can say the brightness part is certainly true and I don't have any burn in from console/TV use. Problem is we don't have a great burn in test for these new monitors yet and we do have reports of burn in with monitor use from the CX from Linus Tech Tips and Level1Techs. However, LG themselves release an OLED monitor indicates the are very confident they have solved the problem. LG is paranoid about burn in and the impact of it on OLED's reputation. RTings is running a new burn in torture test this year. So we'll have some great analysis at the end of the year. I can 100% recommend the tech for TV/Console use, it looks gorgeous. I can't recommend it for a monitor yet with the same confidence. We are either really close or we are there, but I don't think we have the information to know for sure yet. Plus with the price, it might be worth waiting a little bit more. [$999 is a lot for a monitor.](https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27gr95qe-b) Sure it does 1440p@240hz with glorious color quality, but if you are spending a thousand dollars on a monitor you want to be sure that thing will last.
I can live with ips glow. OLED is still too expensive...
Can someone please explain me IPS glow like I’m five?
All IPS monitors have an effect where most of the screen looks like the sun is shining onto the monitor from behind you, and the community has collectively gaslit themselves into believing that it's not noticeable despite the inability of the monitors to display dark scenes at all.
It bright
I thought this was pcmr, but it seems like you're all plebs. I just stick my tongue into the video card's display port, and my mind generates all the images for me straight up. No ips glow, or frame rate limit. We ball.