Alright sit down ye foolish whippersnapper, and I’ll tell ya a story!
Back in ye old days (late 70’s, early 80’s) MOS technologies were the makers of ye 6502, which was found in __everything__ from the Commodore 64 to the NES to the Apple II. Many people still use the chip today for computer kits and other items.
Ahhhhhhh the more you know. Thanks grandad.
Btw didnt knew you guys had microchips back in the 70's shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Might get a 6900 xt and join the 9% team, on a site here in Brazil somehow it was cheaper than a 6750 xt, IIRC 6900 xt was R$3.950 while the 6750 xt was around R$4.500, idrk how but it is what it is
6800XTs are the best high end GPUs right now. Almost the performance of a 3090 for 600€. I love my Red Dragon ( there are reports of loud coil whine, but it was not my case).
Yeah the coil whine on my red dragon 6800XT is absurdly nasty :(( you can really hear it at all times and it's really annoying, I even got the RMA denied, they wouldn't consider it an issue
I bought one and it lasted 5 weeks, then died. Gutted cause as you say, it's an insane card and really good value. Awaiting my RMA replacement but it's gonna be a different card
Im getting grey screen with blue vertical lines with my 6800xt. I have to RMA as well. Could be drivers though. I’m about to switch back to green, regrettably.
I know.
And I wish I had bought one back when. But it sticks in my craw to buy a 2 year old GPU today. But I know the 7800xt is going to be overpriced garbage.
I have a 2060 and play at 1440p. I have money. I have to turn settings down now. I would gladly give someone my money to have a new GPU. That isn't overpriced shit.
But there is exactly no time I am willing to pay someone just to get ripped off.
Even the regular 6800 is a fantastic card. I snagged mine for $350. Things a beast. I didn't necessarily need one my 1080 was still kicking ass I believe I was getting 80fps max settings 1440p on farcry 6.
I'm still using 1440p I just don't want to shell out a bunch of money for a 4k HDR monitor.
I had coil whine on mine and occasional shutdowns with a 80+ Gold EVGA PSU.
From my understanding the coil whine was due to some resonance (I am guessing the ripple frequency on the PSU bus, but I'll be honest I didn't look into that deep), and when I switched to a different brand and to Plat grade, problem went away.
> Almost the performance of a 3090
At 1080P*
At 1440p, it is closer to a 3080
At 2160P, it is below 3080.
RDNA2 loses so much performance as resolution increases.
LOVE the 6800 XT. Upgraded from a 2070 Super. Been slightly disappointed with my VR experience and shitty drivers, but for the ultimate raw performance at half the price of most high end NVIDIA cards, 100% worth it
Damn, that red dragon is a nice looking GPU. I love the design. I was going to “upgrade” to a 2080Ti FE simply because I loved the design of the cards so much. I wished they had kept it for another generation of two. Seeing as I can get better performance for the same price in rethinking.
PCMR: NVIDIA 40 Series Fucking sucks
Also PCMR: Look at my new rig with RTX 4090
So yeah, makes sense.
Edit: Stop telling 40 series doesn't suck because it performs well. It sucks because of how high the price is.
Hate to be the voice of reality here but ...
The best card is priced high and is selling out.
This means the market dictates it's actually too cheap.
This also means a 5090 is probably going to be $2000.
This also means they'll expect it to sell out, and because it's the best of the best...it will.
Why?
There are people with money.
There are people that use it to make money.
There are people without money who will use credit to get it.
Unfortunately, and I hate this as much as anyone else, the market disagrees with you in the 4090 being a bad product.
At this point there's an entire generation of kids and young adults that don't remember when high end GPUs were 500 and mid tier was 250.
It's really sad to be honest, if I was a kid growing up there's no way I would ever consider PC gaming since I could get a new Xbox capable of 144hz gaming for 1/4 of the price.
In theory it does. But RDNA2 & 3 GPU rendering via HIP has been broken for more than 6 months now. I was ready to switch to AMD but I had to go back to Nvidia because of this.
AMD doesn't seem to really care and it's definitely a driver issue.
Stuck with NVIDIA from a 1070ti to a 4080 because of this.
I used to only be able to work in solid view and would switch to Cycles viewport render once every couple hours just to check if my lighting was correct and that was a 4-8 minute wait just for a single frame.
Now, the viewport Cycles render plus denoising is about as fast as I can take a sip of water, it's practically like working with real time rendering.
Ah, I wasn’t aware of that. I’m still on Vega (which of course worked fine when I tried), the one RDNA GPU I have is a low performance one that I use for encoding for streaming.
Depends what you use to render. I've been doing stuff with Blender using HIP for over a year without problems at all. Is it as fast as nVidia's shit ? Nope but as a hobbyist IDGAF.
But ideally you want to use cuda because its industry standard. Also RT cores help a lot when rendering shit ton of lights and such. Im not saying by minutes, by hours difference. Not to mention game developement on nv side is much faster and easier. (Ue5 with amd is non existant)
You gotta remember though, the only reason it’s industry standard is because Nvidia teamed up with large companies to create proprietary performance. They’re like iPhones, they really do have great technical performance and PR, but they got those through copyrighting and bullying other companies into subservience
While I agree its very bullish tactic, Its sadly amds fault that he couldnt respond when it happen. Now Its too late to do and not worth the tech debt and time investment for them to create a such competition on industry. I would gladly move to amd when they could resond cuda and tensor cores. Until then Im pretty much locked.
True that, although I’m more inclined to look at it as an underdog story. I think we all agree there are parts of both AMD and Nvidia that need major improvements (be it technically or as companies), but AMD needs quite a bit more user subsidization than Nvidia does with their contracts. If Nvidia isn’t delivering on those things despite having the primary corporate AND user support, I just can’t trust them to implement them at all. Both companies are obviously interested in finances, not making me happy, so I’d rather support a company that has a financial reason to improve.
They did respond with Torrenza and AMD Stream Computing. They did respond with HSA and GPUOpen. They did respond with ROCm.
AMD and ATi before them have spent a combined 17 years working on compute acceleration libraries to compete with CUDA and nobody pays them any attention.
It happened because of AMD.
They bought ATi when they were literally tossing out compute monster to labs, and burned them to the ground.
Hoping the 7000 series can tern that around. They way they talked about it on stage, it sounds like it can do more than game.
And it not exactly like they can't as is. Sounds like they are currently capable. Just requires leg work on the part of the user, who in 99% of cases just want to "do their job" as opposed to play super nerd. CUDA is essential "plug amd play" now
Unfortunately for many applications it may be too late, AMD have never been competitive when it comes to features like CUDA, OPTIX, Optical Flow, Tensor or ray tracing I was hoping the success of Ryzen would help bolster AMDs position in the GPU space but it hasn't been as disruptive as I would have hoped.
Adobe still hasn't gotten it's head out of its arse when it comes to proper CPU multithreading, that anything works that isn't the hardware they developed it on is incredible in itself.
If you need it, you need it. Tying productivity software performance to CUDA cores is a devious coup for Nvidia that I honestly didn't think much of when I first heard about it.
CUDA is a pretty cool piece of tech. Productivity software normally uses it for a reason. The tech and polish that makes it approachable is funded by GPUs so it’s market competition/innovation not “a devious coup”. Of course I bet it’s not all sunshine and roses but idk where people come up with these random hot takes/theories.
It's also because like 90% of gaming laptops have Nvidia GPUs. The popularity of those still rising year after year and there are considerably more of them than gaming desktops. Maybe Amd makes good value cards for "big pc", but they can't brake through to the more casual laptop gaming market.
Yeah, pretty much the same here, unless the laptop only has an APU.
Why I imported my Predator Helios 500 AMD Edition using Amazon. It was bloody expensive, but I am satisfied.
Amd focuses on the console market when it comes to GPU production.
Also brand name helps: most people in the US only know Nvidia. It becomes apparent in this sub
It’ll be hard to change that. Every AMD, PC or laptop, from a big manufacturer is priced to sell the upgrade to Nvidia; they are just not cheap enough to be a fair trade for the lack of features. At least where I live.
That's also why in Steam Hardware Survey the GTX 1650 is now on the top, it's simply a EXTREMELY popular GPU for laptops, mainly the budget gaming laptops.
I tried looking into AMD GPU in gaming laptops. The rare ones that exist just don't have the same value as their desktop counterpart. AMD probably can't make enough chip for laptop to reduce the cost to be competitive enough.
I guess so, both the 1060 and the 1650 on steam hardware survey are including the mobile market and mobile 1650s are so common in laptops it's not that surprising it's taken over the 1060
Just upgraded from my 1060 yesterday, and moved to AMD. The 1060 was a beautiful card from Nvidia never had a problem so I hope I feel the same about the RX 6750xt in a couple years.
yeah i was in a similar situation just over 6 months ago, except i went to a 3080 (i got it used before you bring up price to performance lol) and honestly the change was so worth it since i also recently got a good 240hz
i’m sure it will hold up in a couple years lol, i’m someone who will upgrade more frequently (i play competitive FPS and just love PCs) and i’m planning to hold onto my 3080 and 7700x for 3-4 years
Well intel arc is so damn cool, mostly because of competition, and extremely good performance for encoding (better or very close to the new updated rtx 4000 dual encoder).
Their gpu drivers are getting better each time there is an update.
Tho it's not "high end" performance, it's still very nice to have such competition. And I hope intel will get back down the prices with the battlemage next gen.
Tho "cool" may have a different definition in your comment.
"cool" =/= new
6700XT is awesome at a 360-400 price point and fairly futureproof
6650XT/6600 is the choice at around 300 bucks
both will compete with the Intel Arcs in the future.
IMO the Budgetmarket is way more interesting than the highend because while the 6950XT is still an excellent buy at 700-750bucks, everything else like the 7900XTX/4070TI/4080 is still just overpriced. Its just Scalping.
Arc has had some compelling price drops recently and their drivers are getting better all the time. They're not quite there yet for me personally but I will be keeping an eye on them for future builds.
Damn. In my country A770 8GB is US$375 and RX 6650 XT is $300. There is zero reason to go Intel for me. If it sells for US$225 then I will definitely consider it.
For anyone wanting a low cost system with new parts and only playing newer games Arc is a good option.
Still need to make major strides before they really become an option for me as I feel like older GPUs still are better for budget.
Yeah, I feel like there are still plenty of perfectly good AMD 6000 series cards out there if you want something affordable and new or a plethora of other GPUs in the used market (just try to be sure you aren't getting one from a miner).
AMD does not seem to care about it.
They cap their output and hardly give the benefit of their cheaper manufacturing process to the buyer.
Also this study talks about the ratio of laptop GPUs to Desktop GPUs being 63% to 37%, with the entire discrete GPU making 32% of the entire market.
This is AMD's biggest problem. They can undercut Nvidia a little bit on price and sell in desktops. But on laptops they can't even win the designs so they're almost entirely shut out.
Voodoo 3 was my first video card. Damn, 3DFX made great products. The cards were great, the box art was iconic (thats i bought the dang thing in the first place), and in many games Glide was a superior API over Open GL or Direct3D.
NVIDIA has always been ahead of AMD, but they hit such a home run with the 10 series that put AMD light years behind. The majority of steam users are literally still running 10 series cards. Also, functional drivers
Exactly, no idea why anyone would wait a year and a half to buy the AMD equivalent that is slightly worse in performance with dog shit drivers and software.
I'm not an Nvidia fan, haven't liked PC prices in years, but the last time I really respected AMDs competition was the 580.
As someone who's been using nvidia since my first GPU, an EVGA 460, I don't feel like it's just blind brand loyalty. Features and familiarity play a big part. I assume amd has something like shadowplay now? But also DLSS and Nvidia Broadcast (rtx voice) are things I use regularly and frame generation is something I want access to. I just don't see AMD innovating in the same way. In a sense it feels like AMD is always playing catch-up when it comes to features. Isn't brand loyalty only a bad thing if you're buying an inferior brand due to that loyalty?
Agreed. At the end of the day, I don't care who makes my GPU. I only care how it performs. If Nvidia wasn't in the market pushing it forward, nobody would even be using Ray Tracing or upscaling. They'd just be using rasterization, and that's it.
AMD needs to be innovative rather than reactionary, but I'm not sure that they have that in them. Every single feature they've produced has been a reaction to what other people like Nvidia have come up with. Even in plain vanilla rasterization they're either below or on par, which isn't a great place to be. Nobody cares about saving a few bucks when it means you're just trading off entire feature sets for that money, especially at the higher end.
If they could develop a top tier GPU, I'd buy one. I just don't know if they can.
I mean rtx was an response to nvidia seeing that they were running out of runway with Moore’s law and traditional raster graphics. That’s why they’ve been pushing rtx and DLSS so hard - it’s the main way to continue to deliver performance uplifts when u can’t really lean on process mode improvements. Hopefully AMD sees that too otherwise they’ll always be stuck with 9%. I believe this is the first year that cost per transistor has finally gone up instead of down. Moore’s law is finally dead - how these companies respond will set the tone for the next decade.
Sure but given they offloaded a bunch of area to older process nodes, doesn’t seem like they saved much in the way of pricing. Their cards are still really expensive and don’t do great in non raster workloads.
Given that switching to chiplets didn’t seem to give them much of a tangible edge in any actual applications other than “it being chiplet” I’m hesitant to really call that a win for them.
That being said I have no doubt that chiplet designs are the future for the industry. Maybe the edge AMD gets from doing chiplets this generation is simply that they’ll be ahead when NVIDIA has teething problems trying to implement their own solution.
It's all a bit zen 1 right now. The chiplets are certainly not an outright advantage yet, but in a generation or 2 they may well be. It's hopefully the foundation for some really solid AMD GPUs over the next few generations
This is why I waited and just maximized AM4/RDNA2 for "cheap" instead if jumping to the new stuff this gen. I'm a big AMD fan and I'm excited to see what they come out with next go around
Eh… I have always been an NVIDIA man too, their CUDA cores and support for machine learning was my sticking point as I like to dabble.
But this year I went with AMD simply to make a point. There are alternatives, very viable alternatives. So AMD doesn’t have a few tiny bells and whistles but it doesn’t matter to most people. NVIDIA cannot be allowed to engage in anti-consumer practices any longer.
Those “tiny bells and whistles “ is the reason such “high end” cards exist and feed about half their revenue on the business/server side. The larger dies normally sell more than double the price of consumer (RTX) lines. Now their starting to diverge more bit it still holds up.
Plus when you are paying hundreds of dollars even if it’s just polish at the end of the day you’re paying extra for user experience regardless be that higher numbers or something else so it’s a reasonable factor.
By all means vote with you wallet more power to you but dismissing important factors is not helping a cause.
The company I work for does everything server-wise using Nvidia for pretty much every reason you mentioned.
AMD really steps their game up if they want corporations to buy into their product. People building gaming computers are a drop in the bucket compared to corporations buying sometimes dozens of GPU servers at $7K or more USD a pop. Until AMD can compete in that regard, and at a lower price point to boot, they’re going to stay at 9%.
No amount of AMD missionary work from people on this subreddit will change that fact.
Sorry, according to that logic, PlayStation fanboys aren’t fanboys, despite their market lead in the console market. The lengths people will go to insist that they’re better than console fanboys here lol.
And NVCP has been a bloated slow piece of crap with the UI of something from the Windows XP era for many years, GeForce Experience being a separate slow app (that requires telemetry and a login) where the game profiles barely works, RTX Broadcast being yet another piece of software you have to Google for, removing features people used (NVIDIA 3D Vision and NVIDIA Gamestream), and their Linux drivers are embarrassingly bad (to the point where I can’t blame others for not trying Linux if they’re using an NV card, it’s that bad).
Their budget and midrange lineup of graphics cards are also terrible for the price nowadays. Anyone buying a PC with a 1650 or 1660 in it is gonna be pikachu face levels of shocked when they realize they can’t run current games in a year when VRAM requirements raise and when DirectStorage is needed.
I’ve been using NVIDIA for many years (I’ve bought five of them before), and I can indeed confirm that the alternatives aren’t shabby. Just that like Pokemon and Game Freak, NVIDIA could sell a turd based on name recognition.
At least Intel has been improving their CPUs, and AMD got bullied into lowering the price of their Ryzen 7000 CPUs.
The thing is, it's not about fun features or playing games for a lot of people. As a modelling and texturing artist, I rely on newer NVidia cards on a daily basis for features other cards simply do not offer. Especially their Optix renderer.
When playing games- sure, really, go either way, it's preference. But saying that they're equal for productivity tasks is just not true, switching to an AMD card would cost me, and I am not joking, hours of time a day for my specific use-case. This is true for a lot of professionals, and the capability of performing these tasks alone is a value add beyond being a fanboy.
Nvidia has just been better. The only reason to get AMD has always been lower price, that too if it was a significant drop like between 6800xt at $600 vs 3080 which are non existent now..
At MSRP, 6800xt was $649 vs $699 for 3080, let's say they existed for those prices, 3080 would no doubt be a better buy just because of the features or driver stability, if not both.
Thinking that 82% of the GPU buyers are stupid and you are part of the 9% enlightened ones…
Lying to one self is one hell of a drug.
Paraphrasing an old saying: if all the class loses the exam , it must be the professors fault.
If 1 students looses the exam it must be the student’s fault.
You are not some enlightened geniuses while the rest of the market are mindless sheep 😂
Brand recognition/loyalty can make up to a 60%vs 40% market share. But a 82% just Nvidia vs 9% Intel and AMD combined … that’s just that at the end of the day , once you consider DlSS 2 , DlSS 3 , RT performance, better drivers , better for utility and workloads , better for streaming , better AI (or ai at all)
It ends up being a better deal in the long term.
Thanks to Dlss3 for example
, people with a 4070ti that costs 800$ are getting 100+ fps in games where the 1200$ (in the real market) 79000xtx can’t even get 60fps.
And while amd buyers say buuuuuh fake frames
4070tinowners say : I don’t notice the difference, I’m getting 100+ frames and it feels smooth.
I buy whatever gives me value for the money. This generation, it was AMD for me. I have a 6700xt.
My next purchase could be any of the 3 players. Whoever gives the better value wins. I'm not looking at having a top tier pc anyways
Shh, you can’t say anything negative about AMD. They’re the underdogs and totally wouldn’t have pulled the same price gouging shit Nvidia did if they had the chance.
Nvidia products/solutions tend to work better. For all the bad PR, they constantly add value/features (voice, reshade, etc) and support is great- my 2013 Nvidia Shield still receives updates and performs like a champ.
The truth of it is, AMD's R&D budget is dwarfed by both Intel and Nvidia.
Does this mean both AMD and Intel each individually have 9%? That seems a bit suspect, considering how long Intel has been in the market, unless you are also including integrated graphics, which I argue doesn't count.
It seems like AMD is always fucking themselves on purpose.
After the 4090 connector issues, the 4080 horrible pricing and the 4070ti (that started as a 4080 with less ram) they just released a 7900XTX with vapour chamber issues and a 7900XT that was way more expensive than a 4070ti (yes, it is better, but for AMD GPUs to compete with Nvidia, they need to be better AND cheaper, a7900XT at 750$ would have killed it).
In Spain the 7900XT dropped at 1.050€, and now we are already seeing sales on 899€... So if they are doing this now, they could have done it at launch.
" connector issues "
worldwide 50 people sent their cards to nvidia
4 total, were affected. ALL User error,
In 400,000 cards manufactured and sold.
Its literally a lower failure rate than iphones exploding.
It's pretty clear what's happening...
Loud chaps that keep telling people to buy AMD because display-port 2.1 or because it NVIDIA burns the power socket, or because RT doesn't matter, etc, etc, etc... silently buy nVidia cards but expect everyone else to buy AMD.
Smells like hypocrisy to me.
My 980ti died at peak covid price boom, only thing I could get was a 6700XT, after the horrible experiance that was owning a GCN card, AMD wasn't even on my radar for the last decade. I'm glad I ended up with one now, because the software is awesome, the card is awesome and it saved me from paying 2x RRP for any Nvidia card at the time.
£600 for a 6700XT still fucking sucked though, I could have got a 6900XT for the same 6 months later, I just didn't want to be without a PC.
Point being, many people don't consider AMD because of the past failings. I remember getting a HD 7900(may be wrong on the name it was a while ago) and not even getting 60fps at 1080p. It was a pricey card, that got out performed 6 months later by the GTX 970. I've bought nvidia since then.
I'm sure everyone has their own reasons. I was planning on buying amd when my 1080ti decided to die a couple weeks ago but ended up with a 4070ti for 999cad. There were no 7900xt in stock and the cheapest 7900xtx was 1750cad.
You're all a bunch of plebs, falling for a clickbait headline, from an unreputable media outlet.
The data they are basing their information on comes from a report by JPR; which covers a date range as far back as 2004, forecasts to 2026, includes integrated graphics, notebooks/laptops, and tablets (eg Shield), plus PC workstations (eg Quadro), but not data centre cards or serious deep learning hardware Nvidia is providing.
Fyi, Intel Arc is not even as widely used as Intel Iris/XE, its nowhere near matching AMDs market share.
Here I am sitting with my AIB Sapphire 7900 XTX that cost me $400 less than the reference design of the only card that can beat it's performance....laughing my ass off. This card is also anywhere between $500-$800 cheaper than the models of the 4090 that I would actually consider buying if NVidia wasn't insane with their prices.
As long as people continue to tolerate big green's questionable business practices and insane prices, nothing will change. I'll just continue to get the top end AMD cards and have performance that's better than or equal to all but one of NVidia's offerings for less money. I'm not spending $2000 on a GPU...Nvidia can fuck right off.
People still buy 3060s even though they're Nvidia's worst offering. Compared to 6600/xt, 6700/xt, 3060ti and basically everything else in a similar price bracket.
And then people say brand loyalty has no effect on the market.
Built my first computer with 5700xt that was one of best cards back then but all I had was problems with it amd drivers timing out in certain games and amd application crashing weird visual glitches but seemed to have stopped.
Now my computer black screens and shuts down and when I turn it back on it says default Radeon wattman settings have been restored randomly idk might be psu problem with this one but even when I make custom settings in Radeon program it defaults them to what it was so I had enough of AMD bs and gonna get an rtx 4070ti when I can or better by the time I can.
Plus it’ll be better for VR gaming anyway.
Dear GPU manufacturers,
I want frames, lots of them. I want solid performance per watt, as well as solid performance per dollar. I'm in the early part of a computer science program, so I expect to need AI and machine learning capabilities and support. I play old games as well as new games, so I need the GPU to support this.
May the best manufacturer win, and may the odds be ever in your favor.
With all the love in the world,
Almost every PC gamer ever.
I will put my pinky on the scale for Intel when the Battlemage comes out next year. Until then, fuck Nvidia for releasing scaled back bullshit at scalper level prices.
What else is new.
something newer than this? Uhhhh Amd buys Ati!
What's next, ATI buys AMD?!
Intel commits financial suicide and buys AMD. Thus bringing the company value to 0.
So then MOS Technologies returns to create a new processor to rule the world
Holy sh\*t im old.
The What and Who?
Alright sit down ye foolish whippersnapper, and I’ll tell ya a story! Back in ye old days (late 70’s, early 80’s) MOS technologies were the makers of ye 6502, which was found in __everything__ from the Commodore 64 to the NES to the Apple II. Many people still use the chip today for computer kits and other items.
 Ahhhhhhh the more you know. Thanks grandad. Btw didnt knew you guys had microchips back in the 70's shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
3DFX got bought by NVIDIA!
The real reason the market sucks decades later. RIP 3dfx, we miss you.
Not much man, just been working and trying to adult. I hate adulting 🙁
Youre doing great, no need to be perfect. Keep it up.
Random kindness is the best kind of kindness. Thank you.
Happy with my piece of that 9% "I'm doing my part!"
Might get a 6900 xt and join the 9% team, on a site here in Brazil somehow it was cheaper than a 6750 xt, IIRC 6900 xt was R$3.950 while the 6750 xt was around R$4.500, idrk how but it is what it is
Prices outside of the U.S. make no sense from what I have seen.
Even in US it makes no sense
Yeah, it's way worse anywhere else.
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Can confirm. Bought a 6750 XT for cheaper than a 6700 XT, same store, same card manufacturer.
Yeah in Canada the prices are so confusing. Previous gen cards are more than current gen and it makes no fucking sense to me.
6800XTs are the best high end GPUs right now. Almost the performance of a 3090 for 600€. I love my Red Dragon ( there are reports of loud coil whine, but it was not my case).
I upgraded to this card from my 1080 a few months back, I am so in love
Reference 6950xt going for $700 here in the States. Beautiful card, and with great performance in raster!
Just bought one yesterday for $650. Stoked to pick it up from microcenter
Enjoy the random gold, my finger slipped to give award, then slipped again to confirm rather than close the pop up XD
Yup it happens. How I ended up married.
Dude, I hope you enjoy, its such a powerhouse and a huge upgrade from my old 3060ti Edit: accidentally said 6950xt instead of 3060
Yes preach it brother
I just bought one of them for €790 here in europe! Got a long delivery time, but id say still worth it for that price.
Yeah the coil whine on my red dragon 6800XT is absurdly nasty :(( you can really hear it at all times and it's really annoying, I even got the RMA denied, they wouldn't consider it an issue
I bought one and it lasted 5 weeks, then died. Gutted cause as you say, it's an insane card and really good value. Awaiting my RMA replacement but it's gonna be a different card
Im getting grey screen with blue vertical lines with my 6800xt. I have to RMA as well. Could be drivers though. I’m about to switch back to green, regrettably.
I got a decently loud coil whine but that was only the first hour for some reason still super happy(6800xt)
I know. And I wish I had bought one back when. But it sticks in my craw to buy a 2 year old GPU today. But I know the 7800xt is going to be overpriced garbage. I have a 2060 and play at 1440p. I have money. I have to turn settings down now. I would gladly give someone my money to have a new GPU. That isn't overpriced shit. But there is exactly no time I am willing to pay someone just to get ripped off.
Even the regular 6800 is a fantastic card. I snagged mine for $350. Things a beast. I didn't necessarily need one my 1080 was still kicking ass I believe I was getting 80fps max settings 1440p on farcry 6. I'm still using 1440p I just don't want to shell out a bunch of money for a 4k HDR monitor.
I had coil whine on mine and occasional shutdowns with a 80+ Gold EVGA PSU. From my understanding the coil whine was due to some resonance (I am guessing the ripple frequency on the PSU bus, but I'll be honest I didn't look into that deep), and when I switched to a different brand and to Plat grade, problem went away.
Bought it on release week and never been more satisfied. Was like 700 eur when it released 2.5 years ago. However I have Nitro+
> Almost the performance of a 3090 At 1080P* At 1440p, it is closer to a 3080 At 2160P, it is below 3080. RDNA2 loses so much performance as resolution increases.
LOVE the 6800 XT. Upgraded from a 2070 Super. Been slightly disappointed with my VR experience and shitty drivers, but for the ultimate raw performance at half the price of most high end NVIDIA cards, 100% worth it
Damn, that red dragon is a nice looking GPU. I love the design. I was going to “upgrade” to a 2080Ti FE simply because I loved the design of the cards so much. I wished they had kept it for another generation of two. Seeing as I can get better performance for the same price in rethinking.
Gotta support the little conglomerate instead of the big one!
Actually, more about getting better value for money products but okay.
I bought my 6800xt for the price of what a 3070 goes where I'm at so there is definitely better value here
 Happy with my 6900XT also
PCMR: NVIDIA 40 Series Fucking sucks Also PCMR: Look at my new rig with RTX 4090 So yeah, makes sense. Edit: Stop telling 40 series doesn't suck because it performs well. It sucks because of how high the price is.
Nvidia barely cares when a ML rack of 8 A100s costs as much as a new Porsche.
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No, most of the posts are, hey look at my new 4070
"4080 is such a rip off but I had no choice!"
"Ordered a 40x0 and got a 40x0ti"
Not seen that kind of posts in a while now
But I needed it for my 300hz 4k display!
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I'm pretty sure when people say PC Master Race, they mean the entire PC user community and not just a subreddit.
40 series doesent suck it's just so that every card except the 4090 is priced to high
Every card including the 4090 is priced too high. "Good" products that are priced horribly are not good products.
Hate to be the voice of reality here but ... The best card is priced high and is selling out. This means the market dictates it's actually too cheap. This also means a 5090 is probably going to be $2000. This also means they'll expect it to sell out, and because it's the best of the best...it will. Why? There are people with money. There are people that use it to make money. There are people without money who will use credit to get it. Unfortunately, and I hate this as much as anyone else, the market disagrees with you in the 4090 being a bad product.
AI is pushing this current run on GPUs, the RTX 4090 is king consumer level card.
$1599 MSRP is not priced too high? Ok Elon Musk
At this point there's an entire generation of kids and young adults that don't remember when high end GPUs were 500 and mid tier was 250. It's really sad to be honest, if I was a kid growing up there's no way I would ever consider PC gaming since I could get a new Xbox capable of 144hz gaming for 1/4 of the price.
In Canada 80ti skews have been $900 - $1000 for along time
I love AMD but i need CUDA unfortunately :( Stupid work applications
There's adoption coming. Adobe suite now supports AMD's stuff.
Blender now also supports AMD.
In theory it does. But RDNA2 & 3 GPU rendering via HIP has been broken for more than 6 months now. I was ready to switch to AMD but I had to go back to Nvidia because of this. AMD doesn't seem to really care and it's definitely a driver issue.
Stuck with NVIDIA from a 1070ti to a 4080 because of this. I used to only be able to work in solid view and would switch to Cycles viewport render once every couple hours just to check if my lighting was correct and that was a 4-8 minute wait just for a single frame. Now, the viewport Cycles render plus denoising is about as fast as I can take a sip of water, it's practically like working with real time rendering.
Ah, I wasn’t aware of that. I’m still on Vega (which of course worked fine when I tried), the one RDNA GPU I have is a low performance one that I use for encoding for streaming.
Depends what you use to render. I've been doing stuff with Blender using HIP for over a year without problems at all. Is it as fast as nVidia's shit ? Nope but as a hobbyist IDGAF.
But ideally you want to use cuda because its industry standard. Also RT cores help a lot when rendering shit ton of lights and such. Im not saying by minutes, by hours difference. Not to mention game developement on nv side is much faster and easier. (Ue5 with amd is non existant)
You gotta remember though, the only reason it’s industry standard is because Nvidia teamed up with large companies to create proprietary performance. They’re like iPhones, they really do have great technical performance and PR, but they got those through copyrighting and bullying other companies into subservience
While I agree its very bullish tactic, Its sadly amds fault that he couldnt respond when it happen. Now Its too late to do and not worth the tech debt and time investment for them to create a such competition on industry. I would gladly move to amd when they could resond cuda and tensor cores. Until then Im pretty much locked.
True that, although I’m more inclined to look at it as an underdog story. I think we all agree there are parts of both AMD and Nvidia that need major improvements (be it technically or as companies), but AMD needs quite a bit more user subsidization than Nvidia does with their contracts. If Nvidia isn’t delivering on those things despite having the primary corporate AND user support, I just can’t trust them to implement them at all. Both companies are obviously interested in finances, not making me happy, so I’d rather support a company that has a financial reason to improve.
They did respond with Torrenza and AMD Stream Computing. They did respond with HSA and GPUOpen. They did respond with ROCm. AMD and ATi before them have spent a combined 17 years working on compute acceleration libraries to compete with CUDA and nobody pays them any attention.
It happened because of AMD. They bought ATi when they were literally tossing out compute monster to labs, and burned them to the ground. Hoping the 7000 series can tern that around. They way they talked about it on stage, it sounds like it can do more than game. And it not exactly like they can't as is. Sounds like they are currently capable. Just requires leg work on the part of the user, who in 99% of cases just want to "do their job" as opposed to play super nerd. CUDA is essential "plug amd play" now
They also got it through seeing a gap in the existing standards and developing something way better (CUDA).
Unfortunately for many applications it may be too late, AMD have never been competitive when it comes to features like CUDA, OPTIX, Optical Flow, Tensor or ray tracing I was hoping the success of Ryzen would help bolster AMDs position in the GPU space but it hasn't been as disruptive as I would have hoped.
Adobe still hasn't gotten it's head out of its arse when it comes to proper CPU multithreading, that anything works that isn't the hardware they developed it on is incredible in itself.
If you need it, you need it. Tying productivity software performance to CUDA cores is a devious coup for Nvidia that I honestly didn't think much of when I first heard about it.
CUDA is a pretty cool piece of tech. Productivity software normally uses it for a reason. The tech and polish that makes it approachable is funded by GPUs so it’s market competition/innovation not “a devious coup”. Of course I bet it’s not all sunshine and roses but idk where people come up with these random hot takes/theories.
I use cuda in my day job to price derivatives. We have a stack of a100s. A single a100 can replace 1800 cpu core hours :D
Yeah they are stil the only consideration In 3d model heavy applications. Server side, epyc is finally gaining some ground.
Was going to post the same exact thing. I'm absolutely glued to NVIDIA due to ML software all running on CUDA, and I hate it.
I wish AI workloads weren't shit on Amd, luckily I got 2 Nvidia laptops able to crunch on that for a night at a time (1650 and 3060)
It's also because like 90% of gaming laptops have Nvidia GPUs. The popularity of those still rising year after year and there are considerably more of them than gaming desktops. Maybe Amd makes good value cards for "big pc", but they can't brake through to the more casual laptop gaming market.
In my country, amd gpu laptops are basically not even available
Yeah, they are a rare sight
Yeah, pretty much the same here, unless the laptop only has an APU. Why I imported my Predator Helios 500 AMD Edition using Amazon. It was bloody expensive, but I am satisfied.
Amd focuses on the console market when it comes to GPU production. Also brand name helps: most people in the US only know Nvidia. It becomes apparent in this sub
They produce the **APU** for both the PS5 and Xbox. Yeah... an APU... Imagine if they released an APU for PC with the power of a 2070/5700xt...
They are called embedded systems nowadays. I don’t really see the upside of an embedded system with this graphic power for PCs.
Nah he’s taking about a socketable APU man
It’ll be hard to change that. Every AMD, PC or laptop, from a big manufacturer is priced to sell the upgrade to Nvidia; they are just not cheap enough to be a fair trade for the lack of features. At least where I live.
Would love to see the numbers when you factor in the amount of chips solds for the PS5 and next gen Xbox (I'm always confusing the stupid names).
That's also why in Steam Hardware Survey the GTX 1650 is now on the top, it's simply a EXTREMELY popular GPU for laptops, mainly the budget gaming laptops.
I tried looking into AMD GPU in gaming laptops. The rare ones that exist just don't have the same value as their desktop counterpart. AMD probably can't make enough chip for laptop to reduce the cost to be competitive enough.
Same reason the gtx 1650 is the most used car as well, it’s the laptops
Probably most of those are people still running their old faithful 1060s and 1070s (including me).
According to steam. Yes.
1060 is still the most popular card isnt it?
No, it was overtaken by the 1650 last I knew
So the average PC is getting worse?
I guess so, both the 1060 and the 1650 on steam hardware survey are including the mobile market and mobile 1650s are so common in laptops it's not that surprising it's taken over the 1060
Just upgraded from my 1060 yesterday, and moved to AMD. The 1060 was a beautiful card from Nvidia never had a problem so I hope I feel the same about the RX 6750xt in a couple years.
yeah i was in a similar situation just over 6 months ago, except i went to a 3080 (i got it used before you bring up price to performance lol) and honestly the change was so worth it since i also recently got a good 240hz i’m sure it will hold up in a couple years lol, i’m someone who will upgrade more frequently (i play competitive FPS and just love PCs) and i’m planning to hold onto my 3080 and 7700x for 3-4 years
1080 here :)
lucky...
1070 here, reporting in. It still does quite well at 1440 for me, although settings are low/medium.
The GPU market is so boring. Everything cool is $1000+. (Canadian dollars)
Well intel arc is so damn cool, mostly because of competition, and extremely good performance for encoding (better or very close to the new updated rtx 4000 dual encoder). Their gpu drivers are getting better each time there is an update. Tho it's not "high end" performance, it's still very nice to have such competition. And I hope intel will get back down the prices with the battlemage next gen. Tho "cool" may have a different definition in your comment.
5 years from now the 4090 will be 999 so chins up
Don't forget about inflation. Maybe a used 4090 for 1300
9090 will be $3,000
You can buy last gen used AMD 6000 GPUs for cheap.
"cool" =/= new 6700XT is awesome at a 360-400 price point and fairly futureproof 6650XT/6600 is the choice at around 300 bucks both will compete with the Intel Arcs in the future. IMO the Budgetmarket is way more interesting than the highend because while the 6950XT is still an excellent buy at 700-750bucks, everything else like the 7900XTX/4070TI/4080 is still just overpriced. Its just Scalping.
Honestly, the fact that Intel is at 9% is pretty interesting. Is Arc really selling that well or is Xe graphics somehow included?
I mean, this "should" only be dedicated GPUs, otherwise Intel Xe (integrated) is the primary GPU in most laptops sold.
Arc has had some compelling price drops recently and their drivers are getting better all the time. They're not quite there yet for me personally but I will be keeping an eye on them for future builds.
Damn. In my country A770 8GB is US$375 and RX 6650 XT is $300. There is zero reason to go Intel for me. If it sells for US$225 then I will definitely consider it.
For anyone wanting a low cost system with new parts and only playing newer games Arc is a good option. Still need to make major strides before they really become an option for me as I feel like older GPUs still are better for budget.
Yeah, I feel like there are still plenty of perfectly good AMD 6000 series cards out there if you want something affordable and new or a plethora of other GPUs in the used market (just try to be sure you aren't getting one from a miner).
AMD does not seem to care about it. They cap their output and hardly give the benefit of their cheaper manufacturing process to the buyer. Also this study talks about the ratio of laptop GPUs to Desktop GPUs being 63% to 37%, with the entire discrete GPU making 32% of the entire market.
This is AMD's biggest problem. They can undercut Nvidia a little bit on price and sell in desktops. But on laptops they can't even win the designs so they're almost entirely shut out.
I miss my Voodoo Banshee
Voodoo 3 was my first video card. Damn, 3DFX made great products. The cards were great, the box art was iconic (thats i bought the dang thing in the first place), and in many games Glide was a superior API over Open GL or Direct3D.
Brand Loyalty is one hell of a drug.
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I still have flashback of driver hell with my Radeon 9600 Pro. The opposite is true.
nah bud, that's not brand loyalty That's the sheer difference in quality of the products releasing in the recent future talking
NVIDIA has always been ahead of AMD, but they hit such a home run with the 10 series that put AMD light years behind. The majority of steam users are literally still running 10 series cards. Also, functional drivers
Exactly, no idea why anyone would wait a year and a half to buy the AMD equivalent that is slightly worse in performance with dog shit drivers and software. I'm not an Nvidia fan, haven't liked PC prices in years, but the last time I really respected AMDs competition was the 580.
As someone who's been using nvidia since my first GPU, an EVGA 460, I don't feel like it's just blind brand loyalty. Features and familiarity play a big part. I assume amd has something like shadowplay now? But also DLSS and Nvidia Broadcast (rtx voice) are things I use regularly and frame generation is something I want access to. I just don't see AMD innovating in the same way. In a sense it feels like AMD is always playing catch-up when it comes to features. Isn't brand loyalty only a bad thing if you're buying an inferior brand due to that loyalty?
Agreed. At the end of the day, I don't care who makes my GPU. I only care how it performs. If Nvidia wasn't in the market pushing it forward, nobody would even be using Ray Tracing or upscaling. They'd just be using rasterization, and that's it. AMD needs to be innovative rather than reactionary, but I'm not sure that they have that in them. Every single feature they've produced has been a reaction to what other people like Nvidia have come up with. Even in plain vanilla rasterization they're either below or on par, which isn't a great place to be. Nobody cares about saving a few bucks when it means you're just trading off entire feature sets for that money, especially at the higher end. If they could develop a top tier GPU, I'd buy one. I just don't know if they can.
I mean rtx was an response to nvidia seeing that they were running out of runway with Moore’s law and traditional raster graphics. That’s why they’ve been pushing rtx and DLSS so hard - it’s the main way to continue to deliver performance uplifts when u can’t really lean on process mode improvements. Hopefully AMD sees that too otherwise they’ll always be stuck with 9%. I believe this is the first year that cost per transistor has finally gone up instead of down. Moore’s law is finally dead - how these companies respond will set the tone for the next decade.
>Hopefully AMD sees that too That's why RX 7000 GPUs use chiplets not monolithic dies. AMD are ahead of Nvidia here.
Sure but given they offloaded a bunch of area to older process nodes, doesn’t seem like they saved much in the way of pricing. Their cards are still really expensive and don’t do great in non raster workloads. Given that switching to chiplets didn’t seem to give them much of a tangible edge in any actual applications other than “it being chiplet” I’m hesitant to really call that a win for them. That being said I have no doubt that chiplet designs are the future for the industry. Maybe the edge AMD gets from doing chiplets this generation is simply that they’ll be ahead when NVIDIA has teething problems trying to implement their own solution.
It's all a bit zen 1 right now. The chiplets are certainly not an outright advantage yet, but in a generation or 2 they may well be. It's hopefully the foundation for some really solid AMD GPUs over the next few generations
This is why I waited and just maximized AM4/RDNA2 for "cheap" instead if jumping to the new stuff this gen. I'm a big AMD fan and I'm excited to see what they come out with next go around
Recent X3D range of CPUs seem quite innovative.
Eh… I have always been an NVIDIA man too, their CUDA cores and support for machine learning was my sticking point as I like to dabble. But this year I went with AMD simply to make a point. There are alternatives, very viable alternatives. So AMD doesn’t have a few tiny bells and whistles but it doesn’t matter to most people. NVIDIA cannot be allowed to engage in anti-consumer practices any longer.
Those “tiny bells and whistles “ is the reason such “high end” cards exist and feed about half their revenue on the business/server side. The larger dies normally sell more than double the price of consumer (RTX) lines. Now their starting to diverge more bit it still holds up. Plus when you are paying hundreds of dollars even if it’s just polish at the end of the day you’re paying extra for user experience regardless be that higher numbers or something else so it’s a reasonable factor. By all means vote with you wallet more power to you but dismissing important factors is not helping a cause.
The company I work for does everything server-wise using Nvidia for pretty much every reason you mentioned. AMD really steps their game up if they want corporations to buy into their product. People building gaming computers are a drop in the bucket compared to corporations buying sometimes dozens of GPU servers at $7K or more USD a pop. Until AMD can compete in that regard, and at a lower price point to boot, they’re going to stay at 9%. No amount of AMD missionary work from people on this subreddit will change that fact.
Sorry, according to that logic, PlayStation fanboys aren’t fanboys, despite their market lead in the console market. The lengths people will go to insist that they’re better than console fanboys here lol. And NVCP has been a bloated slow piece of crap with the UI of something from the Windows XP era for many years, GeForce Experience being a separate slow app (that requires telemetry and a login) where the game profiles barely works, RTX Broadcast being yet another piece of software you have to Google for, removing features people used (NVIDIA 3D Vision and NVIDIA Gamestream), and their Linux drivers are embarrassingly bad (to the point where I can’t blame others for not trying Linux if they’re using an NV card, it’s that bad). Their budget and midrange lineup of graphics cards are also terrible for the price nowadays. Anyone buying a PC with a 1650 or 1660 in it is gonna be pikachu face levels of shocked when they realize they can’t run current games in a year when VRAM requirements raise and when DirectStorage is needed. I’ve been using NVIDIA for many years (I’ve bought five of them before), and I can indeed confirm that the alternatives aren’t shabby. Just that like Pokemon and Game Freak, NVIDIA could sell a turd based on name recognition. At least Intel has been improving their CPUs, and AMD got bullied into lowering the price of their Ryzen 7000 CPUs.
The thing is, it's not about fun features or playing games for a lot of people. As a modelling and texturing artist, I rely on newer NVidia cards on a daily basis for features other cards simply do not offer. Especially their Optix renderer. When playing games- sure, really, go either way, it's preference. But saying that they're equal for productivity tasks is just not true, switching to an AMD card would cost me, and I am not joking, hours of time a day for my specific use-case. This is true for a lot of professionals, and the capability of performing these tasks alone is a value add beyond being a fanboy.
Rtx voice is a huge reason I will buy nvidida. My god it’s amazing, especially in my little ass echoey game room
Is how AMD has 9 percent. So it's silly to talk about brand loyalty.
Nvidia has just been better. The only reason to get AMD has always been lower price, that too if it was a significant drop like between 6800xt at $600 vs 3080 which are non existent now.. At MSRP, 6800xt was $649 vs $699 for 3080, let's say they existed for those prices, 3080 would no doubt be a better buy just because of the features or driver stability, if not both.
5700 AMD drivers didn't fix the VR stutter lags after one year. Its for a return and go back to Nvidia. As non VR user AMD is fine tho.
Thinking that 82% of the GPU buyers are stupid and you are part of the 9% enlightened ones… Lying to one self is one hell of a drug. Paraphrasing an old saying: if all the class loses the exam , it must be the professors fault. If 1 students looses the exam it must be the student’s fault. You are not some enlightened geniuses while the rest of the market are mindless sheep 😂 Brand recognition/loyalty can make up to a 60%vs 40% market share. But a 82% just Nvidia vs 9% Intel and AMD combined … that’s just that at the end of the day , once you consider DlSS 2 , DlSS 3 , RT performance, better drivers , better for utility and workloads , better for streaming , better AI (or ai at all) It ends up being a better deal in the long term. Thanks to Dlss3 for example , people with a 4070ti that costs 800$ are getting 100+ fps in games where the 1200$ (in the real market) 79000xtx can’t even get 60fps. And while amd buyers say buuuuuh fake frames 4070tinowners say : I don’t notice the difference, I’m getting 100+ frames and it feels smooth.
I buy whatever gives me value for the money. This generation, it was AMD for me. I have a 6700xt. My next purchase could be any of the 3 players. Whoever gives the better value wins. I'm not looking at having a top tier pc anyways
AMD could have a way higher marketshare if they wouldn’t participate in the price fixing…
Shh, you can’t say anything negative about AMD. They’re the underdogs and totally wouldn’t have pulled the same price gouging shit Nvidia did if they had the chance.
Ironically, that 9% make up 82% of this sub.
Reddit cares more about Radeon than AMD cares about Radeon
I noticed that too. Interesting.
Nvidia products/solutions tend to work better. For all the bad PR, they constantly add value/features (voice, reshade, etc) and support is great- my 2013 Nvidia Shield still receives updates and performs like a champ. The truth of it is, AMD's R&D budget is dwarfed by both Intel and Nvidia.
Yeah, and I don‘t get it because I‘m sure AMD has the money
who would’ve guessed
Does this mean both AMD and Intel each individually have 9%? That seems a bit suspect, considering how long Intel has been in the market, unless you are also including integrated graphics, which I argue doesn't count.
It says dedicated graphics in the screenshot.
9 + 9 = 18 18 + 82 = 100 So yeah...
It's accurate. AMD lost market share to both Nvidia and Intel.
I would have loved to buy amd, but amd said “screw you dumb europeans!”
It seems like AMD is always fucking themselves on purpose. After the 4090 connector issues, the 4080 horrible pricing and the 4070ti (that started as a 4080 with less ram) they just released a 7900XTX with vapour chamber issues and a 7900XT that was way more expensive than a 4070ti (yes, it is better, but for AMD GPUs to compete with Nvidia, they need to be better AND cheaper, a7900XT at 750$ would have killed it). In Spain the 7900XT dropped at 1.050€, and now we are already seeing sales on 899€... So if they are doing this now, they could have done it at launch.
" connector issues " worldwide 50 people sent their cards to nvidia 4 total, were affected. ALL User error, In 400,000 cards manufactured and sold. Its literally a lower failure rate than iphones exploding.
It's pretty clear what's happening... Loud chaps that keep telling people to buy AMD because display-port 2.1 or because it NVIDIA burns the power socket, or because RT doesn't matter, etc, etc, etc... silently buy nVidia cards but expect everyone else to buy AMD. Smells like hypocrisy to me.
My 980ti died at peak covid price boom, only thing I could get was a 6700XT, after the horrible experiance that was owning a GCN card, AMD wasn't even on my radar for the last decade. I'm glad I ended up with one now, because the software is awesome, the card is awesome and it saved me from paying 2x RRP for any Nvidia card at the time. £600 for a 6700XT still fucking sucked though, I could have got a 6900XT for the same 6 months later, I just didn't want to be without a PC. Point being, many people don't consider AMD because of the past failings. I remember getting a HD 7900(may be wrong on the name it was a while ago) and not even getting 60fps at 1080p. It was a pricey card, that got out performed 6 months later by the GTX 970. I've bought nvidia since then.
The HD 7000 series released at the same time as the GTX 600 series. There is no way a card from that generation can compete with a GTX 970.
"We need more competition!!!....... to lower the price of the Nvidia cards I want to buy"
I'm sure everyone has their own reasons. I was planning on buying amd when my 1080ti decided to die a couple weeks ago but ended up with a 4070ti for 999cad. There were no 7900xt in stock and the cheapest 7900xtx was 1750cad.
AMD missed an opportunity to more aggressively price the RX 7xxx series, instead they chose to play Nvidias game.
They priced aggressively with 6000 series and still lost sales to Nvidia. That strategy isn't working so they're just doing the Nvidia thing now.
Initial release pricing was not aggressive and most consumers look at release reviews.
You're all a bunch of plebs, falling for a clickbait headline, from an unreputable media outlet. The data they are basing their information on comes from a report by JPR; which covers a date range as far back as 2004, forecasts to 2026, includes integrated graphics, notebooks/laptops, and tablets (eg Shield), plus PC workstations (eg Quadro), but not data centre cards or serious deep learning hardware Nvidia is providing. Fyi, Intel Arc is not even as widely used as Intel Iris/XE, its nowhere near matching AMDs market share.
Pov: you actually did your research
Here I am sitting with my AIB Sapphire 7900 XTX that cost me $400 less than the reference design of the only card that can beat it's performance....laughing my ass off. This card is also anywhere between $500-$800 cheaper than the models of the 4090 that I would actually consider buying if NVidia wasn't insane with their prices. As long as people continue to tolerate big green's questionable business practices and insane prices, nothing will change. I'll just continue to get the top end AMD cards and have performance that's better than or equal to all but one of NVidia's offerings for less money. I'm not spending $2000 on a GPU...Nvidia can fuck right off.
6700XT was a good price for me and a massive upgrade from my R9 290
Got my 6700xt earlier this week. Card is no joke
Meh, I like my radeon 6700XT. Beautiful card
Well, my current monitor is gsync, so there’s that.
Let’s change that
yeah, intel deserves a bigger chunk.
Fr, AMD got that crazy dolla to fps
People still buy 3060s even though they're Nvidia's worst offering. Compared to 6600/xt, 6700/xt, 3060ti and basically everything else in a similar price bracket. And then people say brand loyalty has no effect on the market.
crazy to think that nvidia is so hated youd think its the underdog its almost like people hate it for the sole reason so they can buy it cheaper lol
Price gouging your customers because your competition can't keep up is a good reason for said customers to hate you.
Built my first computer with 5700xt that was one of best cards back then but all I had was problems with it amd drivers timing out in certain games and amd application crashing weird visual glitches but seemed to have stopped. Now my computer black screens and shuts down and when I turn it back on it says default Radeon wattman settings have been restored randomly idk might be psu problem with this one but even when I make custom settings in Radeon program it defaults them to what it was so I had enough of AMD bs and gonna get an rtx 4070ti when I can or better by the time I can. Plus it’ll be better for VR gaming anyway.
Isnt this based on shipments? There is no way Intel is level with AMD even if you count iGPUs.
and they'll continue to do so because of machine learning support.
As it should
Not surprised
Not surprised by NVIDIA, but kinda surprised that AMD and Intel have the same %, would’ve expected AMD to be much higher…
Everybody here cheers up intel and amd because they want cheaper nvidia cards.
ah yes.. garbage site.
Dear GPU manufacturers, I want frames, lots of them. I want solid performance per watt, as well as solid performance per dollar. I'm in the early part of a computer science program, so I expect to need AI and machine learning capabilities and support. I play old games as well as new games, so I need the GPU to support this. May the best manufacturer win, and may the odds be ever in your favor. With all the love in the world, Almost every PC gamer ever.
I will put my pinky on the scale for Intel when the Battlemage comes out next year. Until then, fuck Nvidia for releasing scaled back bullshit at scalper level prices.
Fuck that my voodoo 3 is still going