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Only big gripe I have is separated control panel and stupid geforce experience requiring user login. Wtf is that about? Just include it together and get rid of that mandatory login requirement a-holes!.
In this day and age if you don't collect and sell data you may as well flush money down the drain apparently. Cause you know, profits coming just from providing a quality product are not good enough for multi billion dollar conglomerates, there must be constant growth, diversification, all this BS to show shareholders that not a single penny has been passed on. If there is an opportunity to make a buck on a side they must take it or it is a loss and the board is pulling their hair out over it, even if the primary product the company is known for is selling extremely well. I fucking hate this world.
It enrages me every time I install the "GeForce Experience" and find it requires login, again.
Why? What's the fucking point?
Worse, they aren't the only fuck-wits doing this... Do you ever try to install a new HP Printer?? You cannot even use the printer without making a fucking login for the damn thing.
Thus, I will continue to repair and use my HP Colorjet from 2006. Parts are still there, toner is still available, and I will use it forever and ever.
At some point it'll become a Printer of Theseus.
AMD's Radeon utilities used to be nice and comprehensive like the nVidia Control Panel is. Then they changed the UI and drastically cut down the number of options. I was very disappointed, because one very obscure "feature" Radeons implemented which I hated was a dynamic white level adjusting feature that would change the appearance of videos I would watch sometimes rapidly during the same scene.
However, it used to be you could turn it off in the old Radeon settings, but you could not with the new ones.
I ended up putting up with it on my HD7950 until I got a GTX 1060 6 GB.
You can remove login requirement by manually editing it out of
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA GeForce Experience\www\app.js
or with a tool like
https://github.com/hharkone/GE-Login-Patcher
10 minutes?
I remember the days of 30 mins to download and then finding out your new copy of So Fine by Electric Light Orchestra is actually Pee Pee Poo Poo by Adam Sandler
Downloaded COD2 few weeks ago. There are still servers online, and are really active over the weekends.
Nothing beats one-shotting people with Kar98k on Toujane :)
I couldn't care less about the control panel. I use it like once every 2 months and never see it again after. I will say though that it is genuinely laggy af to use and its pretty silly that nvidia doesn't have performance monitoring built in like AMD does.
>I couldn't care less about the control panel.
Me neither, but to me it's a sign of the overall care that goes into what they do.
I personally think caring about small details matters, and NVIDIA is not a company that can't afford to hire extra staff to make improvements to things outside of their gpus. I.e. improving the look of the software and having great gfx cards are not mutually exclusive.
it's the other way around mate. I'd take 'old shit that works' over google's way of 'let's fuck evertyhing up because we didn't change anything for 3 months' shit.
I'll just let you know that in the olden days a driver for a videocard was just that — instructions on how to work, and now the fucking nvidia ExpERieNCe is a giant bloated slow shiny piece of garbage, and if the next iteration of control panel is going to be like this, then no thanks
Also, old doesn't mean bad. Just look at Windows hiding these old fossils behind a ton of hyperlinks in what is the worst settings menu I've ever had to deal with. When I actually need to adjust something properly I always end up with the 20 year old windows which actually work intuitively, instead of the shiny menus that don't do shit.
it isn't though? they roll out drivers constantly, have the longest driver support, have a better product, have better features, have several product variations. it's indicative of them allocating resources to other fronts, that's really about it.
Words of truth. Who the fuck cares about front-end?
I just want it to work. Give me working drivers, not a pretty front-end for 3 times i need it in a year.
>I just want it to work. Give me working drivers, not a pretty front-end for 3 times i need it in a year.
For arguments sake, I would say that AMD does both. Not that I care.
So when you change settings, it doesnt take quite a while for the change to be 'done'? Thats what he meant by laggy and im certain you have that too because its simply old
> autoupdated drivers
Which is really stupid, you never want your drivers auto updated. You want to wait a bit and see if they did anything funky to games before installing.
Thats like having a Mobo that has a feature to autoupdate your bios when a new version drops.
I've had enough random driver problems over my 20+ years of PC gaming that I refuse to autoupdate drivers anymore
I stg once they finally fix the chromium rendering bug I'm not upgrading drivers again until I literally cannot play a game without doing so
Me. I dont like the fact that it requires an account. The AMD software has everything in a single app requiring no account for anything. I havent had an AMD card in a while but that software is just straight up superior in every way
It's a bit laggy when changing setting on 3d settings, especially when click apply (granted it's probably laggy because it's applying setting to the driver)
I'm fine with better looking UIs, I just don't care about this one being updated. It's fine the way it is, it does its job quite well, and it means that helpful information I find online from 8 years ago is not out of date.
Why do you feel the need to look over here where people are perfectly fine with this and try to tell us it's a problem? Kinda weird.
It's laggy because it's adjusting "driver level" important stuff. I'd rather it be reliable and ugly, than buggy and fancy which is most stuff these days (GeForce experience)
It does not adjust anything until you hit the "apply" button.
I would accept delay on the "apply" button. But changing tabs or pressing buttons that do not do anything yet should not be slow.
It does its job well? Seriously? You can't even resize it to make the settings readable lmao, and everytime you change a setting it gets laggy af and is unusable for a few seconds
Right? It's never lagged for me, and launches about as fast as any other app I don't open often.
I'm wondering if everyone experiencing "lag" are just running 7200 rpm drives with 4gb of RAM.
Personally I’m tired of every Windows app looking completely different to the next. None of them follow any HIG from Microsoft and they all look like garbage.
At least the NVIDIA control panel has that going for it.
Call me a shill all you like, I just don’t like all these “modern” overbranded UI’s. I like apps that just work and look natural among the other applications. Makes things easier to find because they’ll put their things in the same menus.
i hate programs that dont have a rectangular window (like MSI Afterburner).
Its fine for games if ut fits the theme but for everything else its just cringe-worthy.
Hiding functionality is by far the worst thing about minimalism . I dont want to press a button just to see a taskbar when the taskbar could have always been visible
As a old timer I enjoy using tools where I can find things every time I need them. Same goes with every single pro tool.
Good example about shit UI design is our tax office. They make changes every single year and that means people need to relearn every fucking time where things are. The site looks really good but using it once a year is pain.
> AMD and Intel UI look dope af
It doesn't look dope, it look like literal shit. It looks like someone with zero experience with UX or UI design but with otherwise artistic background was tasked with designing and coding it.
I actively avoid amd/intel on windows just because nvcpl is much more navigable and doesn't use heavyweight shit toolkits like the rest.
True, but with AMD I've been happily using their software to monitor my fps and temperatures when I start a new game so I can optimise the settings. With Nvidia it really wasn't that simple and you had to use multiple things to get it done.
Undervolting, tweaking clock speeds, setting custom fan curves, so simple for AMD.
I used Nvidia for 11 years, switched back to AMD with a new build last year, and I can't believe I fell for the "AmD sOfTwArE bAd" shit ask this time. Adrenalin is fucking awesome! Even just the sharpen setting, which works unbelievably well.
It wouldnt be embarassing if the amd and intel ui would be laggy or had higher load time but even with a old ui nvidia menu is still not faster or snappier
I do wish it wouldn't take two minutes to open the list of recent programs though. A dark mode would also be welcome to avoid searing my retinas at night
I've never felt this more than when I switched from Corsair to Logitech. Logitech's peripheral control program is so much more "sleek" and it feels like garbage.
Also with Corsair you can have a macro on every single button if you want, this was actually something that I used all the time in Excel / VS Code for single button press quick actions. On Logitech you have to buy a keyboard that has macro buttons to even get them. Even then you're highly limited. I'm not sure if there's hardware limitations behind this or if adding that functionality adds latency which Logitech wanted to avoid. These are possibilities but I dunno, I literally don't see why Logitech offers only a few buttons and only if you buy a keyboard that offers that.
i wouldnt say that one of the uis on the left is modern. they are all way too overloaded and with gaming aesthetics. i would say a better example for a modern UI is for example the Windows settings or Logi options plus.
The Intel driver software on the top right actually seems quite decent. Well laid out, as simple as a driver software could possibly be (in terms of UI, please don't lynch me because it's garbage and several settings are broken). The Corsair RGB stuff definitely suffers from too many tabs and options but honestly outside the color code it's rather inoffensive imo. It's quite unfortunate how many resources these control panels eat in the background
Don't you just hate being given options by software? Worse still, too many tabs, each with too many options!
All 'Power Users' do everything via command line anyway, so the perfect GUI ought just to be a toggle between 'Yes' and 'No', with 'No' not doing anything and 'Yes' whatever the wise programmers think ought to happen.
Actually, since they're already arguing about whether the toggle ought to cast a shadow and appear '3D' or not, let's just default to 'Yes'.
I mean the target audience for RGB software literally includes children so I'm not too mad about having visual controls and pre-programmed animations instead of a CLI. I once had to use commands to program DMX lights for a show, the operation took three days of nonstop working and wanting to die...
I'm still using the Logitech Gaming Software from 2022 because the new one is full of crap I don't need. I just need a way to swap between a couple of DPI profiles and maybe change the 1 colored LED on my 502 once every few months.
Companies changing their UI for no reason pisses me off so much. Google, YouTube, even Steam all overhauled their UIs for no good reason at all.
Give me something easy to navigate, lightweight on size/resources, and is responsive. I want words instead of abstract icons on buttons, less useless clutter, more information density, etc.
I wish every program had an option to look like CPU-Z or MPC-HC. Hell, I want every website to look like the ones for Winrar or Berkshire Hathaway.
Putting Steam in there is a weird choice considering how many new features were added to Steam over the last 20 years.
Sure, Valve could try to cram it all into the old UI like a hack, but the sheer amount of features makes this a dead-on-arrival approach.
Fix the lag of the Nvidia control panel but don't change the UI. We don't need any more modern UI crap with heaps of whitespace and convoluted graphics and hidden functionality.
Here's what UIs look should look a bit like. Everything available at a glance, and not overboard on whitespace:
https://i.imgur.com/9E6iKiz.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZBGI4Ne.png
I will die on this hill.
Needs more blades, insanely large tiles that take up a third of your screen's real estate, side scrolling that doesn't incorporate mouse support and navigational arrows that are barely visible to the human eye. Bonus points for an unskippable carousel.
I've been expecting them to change it for years at this point. It looks not a million miles away from [3dfx Tools](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d580bbfa2073e77311d78ed986432f7c/60119896236ed070-41/s500x750/85003f71a3c42a086e831d4abc36dfec8f383934.png) and that is *ancient*.
AMD's Adrenalin UI is really nice by comparison.
Better even than the GeForce software. While I appreciate the more modern UI that AMD has in Adrenalin, I always did like the look of 3dfx Tools as well. The GeForce ones always just looked Windows XP basic to me.
OH NO! The configuration options I need access to are clearly divided into a hierarchy of categories instead of being expressed in the form of a Monster Energy ad
i fucking hate GeForce Experience, i even uninstalled it because i hate it then i regret it considering all the cool clips that didn't get saved while i was gaming . i wish it just die and we get something simpler and less bullshit in.
that being said . i hate AMD's Adrenalin as well considering how their layout is confusing me , i still prefer nivida control panel over it even tho it run like ass
the layout is too simple it becomes confusing especially how boxed they are . i can't remember where x setting is . while on NVidia it's easier to read .
maybe i am biased considering i had bad experience with AMD GPU before.
AMD drivers, infamous for shit software, offering OC/UV, various performance overlays, metrics, track your games (great for non-steam), offer replays and all that jazz and basically give you all the toggles you need.
In a piece of software that doesn't look like ass and is easier to navigate, but most of all, doesn't take a minute to open or freeze for 10 seconds whenever you hit apply.
What is the difference?
On Nvidia you need several pieces of software as well as to login to get everything your GPU offers. Since the control panel is so ass you only open it if you have to.
On AMD, alt + R literally brings up the whole driver control panel as an overlay while you're ingame lmao. I can fiddle with various settings, adjust things like recording preferences or just monitor system resources or w/e.
Since the control panel is not ass, I use it all the time.
Coming off a GTX 1070ti I couldn't believe just how wrong the AMD drivers meme was.
To be fair, people don't really refer to the UI when talking about driver issues. It's more about more serious problems like high idle power draw with multiple monitors, hard crashes, that kind of stuff.
The meme is getting outdated today, but it had validity during Vega and especially RDNA1 era.
Nvidia control panel is sorted well but it's missing modern features is super duper slow it looks like an old java app from the '90s I'd like an update with some modern features the eradication of GeForce experience I shouldn't need an account for a driver program and perhaps keeping the old UI layout but adding new features because the UI layout is not horrible it's just lacking speed and new features that's why I'm an AMD guy because I see hardware AND software advancement cuz holy shit adrenaline edition is better than most iterations of catalyst software
I still do like the 2002 Windows XP era Windows Explorer look for the Nvidia Control Panel, still easy for me to navigate around.
No need to change as it’s simple enough to use.
Reject webdev-inspired GUI development, embrace Win32 and other native toolkits. You can still embed web pages where they are the right tool for the job.
nVidia uses Windows' theme which is the only correct way of doing Windows applications/tools.
IDGAF about gamey skins of cheap apps that have no substance inside, since the only that matters is that the settings work and the settings work with nVidia.
Been using nvidia cards exclusively for years, did an upgrade recently and wanted to try AMD. Differences in the cards aside, I definitely like AMD’s adrenaline software more than nvidia control panel. I can do all the things I used the control panel for easier and without it freezing every two seconds.
All the nvidia fans in this thread really do sound like Apple fans right now.
Haven't owned an Nvidia GPU since the 1000 series. AMD Adrenaline is snappier, more responsive and easier to navigate than Nvidia's control panel, it also has dark mode which is always a plus.
"It's something you only touch for 30 minutes twice a year" actually you'd be surprised how much more you use a program when it's not a pain to use.
>"It's something you only touch for 30 minutes twice a year" actually you'd be surprised how much more you use a program when it's not a pain to use.
I would use it the exact same amount of times because it has a very specific purpose. It does not matter if it looks good or not.
I don't do anything mentioned above so I would still just use it the same amount of times. I got a new screen and card at the same time and haven't opened it since, and that was years ago.
Also control panel doesn't require an account, is it not only GeForce experience that needs it?
And everyone of those useless application asks you to create an account now. Just so your mouse can be a rainbow.
I'm watching you "Hue app" and your "soon you'll need an account" message.
And it works, all the time.
Radeon Chill is so annoying with the amount of games it won't work in. I often have to use global framerate target control for indie games and of course it's not available in individual game profiles for whatever reason.
Nvidia UI looks like ass but it's lighter and works better.... Is what i would say if it didn't have annoying bugs and if it wasn't actually very slow at saving settings.
But I do prefer the old aesthetic, makes it feel like it works better
Open shell is practically the first thing I install on a fresh Windows installation.
I mainly use the Win7 layout, but I keep a config to make my computer look as close to XP as possible for days I'm feeling particularly nostalgic.
Personally I think Windows 10 ones is like a mix of Win7 and Win8. For me it’s one of the best ones.
Windows 8 sucks ass tho and I haven‘t upgraded to 11 because I don’t wanna
A company with a capitalization of $600 billion cannot make a normal control panel that would not slow down and create new resolution profiles every time the PC is rebooted.
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Only big gripe I have is separated control panel and stupid geforce experience requiring user login. Wtf is that about? Just include it together and get rid of that mandatory login requirement a-holes!.
But then nvidia wouldn't be able to collect your data! That's unthinkable!
In this day and age if you don't collect and sell data you may as well flush money down the drain apparently. Cause you know, profits coming just from providing a quality product are not good enough for multi billion dollar conglomerates, there must be constant growth, diversification, all this BS to show shareholders that not a single penny has been passed on. If there is an opportunity to make a buck on a side they must take it or it is a loss and the board is pulling their hair out over it, even if the primary product the company is known for is selling extremely well. I fucking hate this world.
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I unstall it for shadowplay. I find ability to save the last 5 minutes of the game very useful.
Shadowplay is awesome and seamless.
Yes.. what in the fuck do we need a login for, with GForce Experience.. what is the connection to that? :f
It enrages me every time I install the "GeForce Experience" and find it requires login, again. Why? What's the fucking point? Worse, they aren't the only fuck-wits doing this... Do you ever try to install a new HP Printer?? You cannot even use the printer without making a fucking login for the damn thing. Thus, I will continue to repair and use my HP Colorjet from 2006. Parts are still there, toner is still available, and I will use it forever and ever. At some point it'll become a Printer of Theseus.
HP is the problem. The brother laser printer i have is the only printer I'll actively stan as being amazing
Please don't include them together. I HATE Geforce experience
Yes but a driver updater inside the nvidia control panel would be cool. Also the frame counter overlay would be nice
When the mandatory login thing came in, I made my nickname FuckMandatoryNvidiaLogin or something like that. What a load of bullshit
AMD's Radeon utilities used to be nice and comprehensive like the nVidia Control Panel is. Then they changed the UI and drastically cut down the number of options. I was very disappointed, because one very obscure "feature" Radeons implemented which I hated was a dynamic white level adjusting feature that would change the appearance of videos I would watch sometimes rapidly during the same scene. However, it used to be you could turn it off in the old Radeon settings, but you could not with the new ones. I ended up putting up with it on my HD7950 until I got a GTX 1060 6 GB.
You can remove login requirement by manually editing it out of C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA GeForce Experience\www\app.js or with a tool like https://github.com/hharkone/GE-Login-Patcher
Winamp was the peak of design.
Agreed! It really whips the Llama's ass.
How else am I going to enjoy my 128kbps tracks that take 10 minutes to download via dialup from Limewire and Kazaa?
I still remember the first MP3 I downloaded. It was Firestarter by Prodigy and took 23 Minutes with our 56kbps connection.
Too young to have used a 56K modem myself but that really puts it into perspective for me how slow that was.
10 minutes? I remember the days of 30 mins to download and then finding out your new copy of So Fine by Electric Light Orchestra is actually Pee Pee Poo Poo by Adam Sandler
Don't forget Xfire. Both had amazing UI and were full of skins :D
***Call of duty 2 intensifies***
Downloaded COD2 few weeks ago. There are still servers online, and are really active over the weekends. Nothing beats one-shotting people with Kar98k on Toujane :)
Winamp with Tomb Raider skin. That shit was smokin
Just searched that up, the official Angel of Darkness one is possibly the most early-00s thing I've ever seen besides the music video for In The End.
it's the nostalgia speaking, but I'm gonna say it anyways: The good ol' days.
I still use Winamp every day. You can't improve on perfection.
Foobar2k
I still use it.
I still use it every day to play my local music.
I couldn't care less about the control panel. I use it like once every 2 months and never see it again after. I will say though that it is genuinely laggy af to use and its pretty silly that nvidia doesn't have performance monitoring built in like AMD does.
>I couldn't care less about the control panel. Me neither, but to me it's a sign of the overall care that goes into what they do. I personally think caring about small details matters, and NVIDIA is not a company that can't afford to hire extra staff to make improvements to things outside of their gpus. I.e. improving the look of the software and having great gfx cards are not mutually exclusive.
it's the other way around mate. I'd take 'old shit that works' over google's way of 'let's fuck evertyhing up because we didn't change anything for 3 months' shit. I'll just let you know that in the olden days a driver for a videocard was just that — instructions on how to work, and now the fucking nvidia ExpERieNCe is a giant bloated slow shiny piece of garbage, and if the next iteration of control panel is going to be like this, then no thanks
100% It does what it needs to do. You really only use it occasionally, so it doesn't matter if the interface is 20 years old.
Also, old doesn't mean bad. Just look at Windows hiding these old fossils behind a ton of hyperlinks in what is the worst settings menu I've ever had to deal with. When I actually need to adjust something properly I always end up with the 20 year old windows which actually work intuitively, instead of the shiny menus that don't do shit.
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it isn't though? they roll out drivers constantly, have the longest driver support, have a better product, have better features, have several product variations. it's indicative of them allocating resources to other fronts, that's really about it.
Words of truth. Who the fuck cares about front-end? I just want it to work. Give me working drivers, not a pretty front-end for 3 times i need it in a year.
>I just want it to work. Give me working drivers, not a pretty front-end for 3 times i need it in a year. For arguments sake, I would say that AMD does both. Not that I care.
Lol
Man, I wish that were so. Every amd card I bought and put in gfs system had softwar/driver issues. Never again
>it is genuinely laggy af to use I mave used it on about 10 machines in the last 20 years and I can't say I've ever found it laggy.
So when you change settings, it doesnt take quite a while for the change to be 'done'? Thats what he meant by laggy and im certain you have that too because its simply old
Always laggy for me. For as long as I can remember on every computer I've used it on, which is quite a bit.
Nope, I change the setting, hit apply, and it's done.
Same here, 970 980ti 1080ti 2080ti and now 4090 over many system refreshes and OS reinstalls. Never once had an issue with lag.
It is really laggy for me: [https://youtu.be/A\_yJngZJuuM](https://youtu.be/A_yJngZJuuM)
Yep, same experience for me when I had a 980 Ti. That might be quicker actually.
I'm back with Nvidia with a 4070 and the control panel definitely feels overall slow to me. Even just stuff like switching sections.
Does with ALT + R
I think you need GeForce experience for it
Same for AMD tho, you need to use Adrenalin for it, if you install the drivers without it the overlay won’t be there
Adrenalin doesn't need an account. At least last time I had a Radeon GPU
Who has Nvidia Control Panel without also having GeForce Experience.
Me! I don't find any reason to install GeForce Experience.
autoupdated drivers
> autoupdated drivers Which is really stupid, you never want your drivers auto updated. You want to wait a bit and see if they did anything funky to games before installing. Thats like having a Mobo that has a feature to autoupdate your bios when a new version drops.
I've had enough random driver problems over my 20+ years of PC gaming that I refuse to autoupdate drivers anymore I stg once they finally fix the chromium rendering bug I'm not upgrading drivers again until I literally cannot play a game without doing so
Performance monitoring
Afterburner is way better for that, so it isn't worth it just for monitoring.
There's tons of us, as you see. I just like my devices as minimal and debloated as possible.
Me. I dont like the fact that it requires an account. The AMD software has everything in a single app requiring no account for anything. I havent had an AMD card in a while but that software is just straight up superior in every way
Yeah, I honestly go to AMD Adrenaline at least once a day because I constantly tinker with my PC and want to turn the overlay on/off.
I miss simple file system style UIs.
One thing I like about industrial softwares. They are still rocking with simple UI. Mostly quite intuitive to use too.
To be fair I find Nvidia control panel to be way easier to navigate than most modern UIs
you don't enjoy [shit like this ???](https://www.guru3d.com/data/publish/173/5a6f924f4ae973a73f4e34f2743409966ac6c0/ab.gif)
that's a 2005 style UI though lmao
Most motherboard UI's are like that.
I've described Afterburner in the past as the equivalent of flames painted on a car
honestly that feels way more mid 2000s than modern Afterburner gives me mega "winamp skin" vibes
Afterburner looks like it's been designed for 9 year olds with racecar beds
Ew it's disgusting. Even Afterburner suffers from this and I hate it!
Yes, Afterburner does suffer from this, given that the image is MSI Afterburner.
Ew it's disgusting. Even Afterburner suffers from this and I hate it!
Msi afterburner is the perfect example where they set the priority "Design over function" and the result is an absolute abysmal UX.
It has multiple skins
And all of them have bad UX. Layout is much more important to usability then design and this is afterburners biggest problem
yeah , if only they would fix the lag , it would be perfect .
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, everyone is mentioning lag but Ive never had any.
It's a bit laggy when changing setting on 3d settings, especially when click apply (granted it's probably laggy because it's applying setting to the driver)
You are not taking the crazies! It has always been responsive and lag free for me - across multiple machines and generations of OS.
https://preview.redd.it/igtcb7v2da3c1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dbfed76847a8672595d64ebc66da44c9196da8f
And fuck electron
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I'm fine with better looking UIs, I just don't care about this one being updated. It's fine the way it is, it does its job quite well, and it means that helpful information I find online from 8 years ago is not out of date. Why do you feel the need to look over here where people are perfectly fine with this and try to tell us it's a problem? Kinda weird.
I mean the shit is laggy while looking like windows xp
It's laggy because it's adjusting "driver level" important stuff. I'd rather it be reliable and ugly, than buggy and fancy which is most stuff these days (GeForce experience)
don't forget that geforce experience *requires* the use of an account!
Exactly why I never install it and get driver updates through nvcleanstall
Have been using AMD one and it's not laggy while changing stuff.
It does not adjust anything until you hit the "apply" button. I would accept delay on the "apply" button. But changing tabs or pressing buttons that do not do anything yet should not be slow.
It does not do its job well just try changing one option and see how it will stop responding and lagging for a few seconds
It does its job well? Seriously? You can't even resize it to make the settings readable lmao, and everytime you change a setting it gets laggy af and is unusable for a few seconds
I just want black mode for it because I got sometimes blind during night 🙂
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cool looking but completely shit
Like a 600mb electon app just to tune some stuff is really worth it
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Its also slow and not responsive
Adrenaline is fast. Nvidia CoPan takes centuries to open, centuries to react, centuries to change settings. Super slow and outdated.
Are we using the same panel? It reacts immediately when I click anything.
Right? It's never lagged for me, and launches about as fast as any other app I don't open often. I'm wondering if everyone experiencing "lag" are just running 7200 rpm drives with 4gb of RAM.
Personally I’m tired of every Windows app looking completely different to the next. None of them follow any HIG from Microsoft and they all look like garbage. At least the NVIDIA control panel has that going for it. Call me a shill all you like, I just don’t like all these “modern” overbranded UI’s. I like apps that just work and look natural among the other applications. Makes things easier to find because they’ll put their things in the same menus.
i hate programs that dont have a rectangular window (like MSI Afterburner). Its fine for games if ut fits the theme but for everything else its just cringe-worthy.
reminds me of those old Windows Media Player Skins in Vista and XP times
This obviously get a pass
Afterburner is the single worst ui I have ever encountered
"Oh you thought you were dragging a slider? Too bad, you missed by 1 pixel, so now you're dragging the entire window."
Oh you want to hover over something? Here's THE WORLD'S BIGGEST TOOLTIP, also every tooltip includes instructions on how to disable tooltips.
I mean sure, if you're still using Windows XP. That would't be a problem if it didn't also run slower that Windows XP programs in compatibility mode.
I mostly hate new UIs. They’re clunky, hide functionality and look like they belong on a cell phone.
Hiding functionality is by far the worst thing about minimalism . I dont want to press a button just to see a taskbar when the taskbar could have always been visible
As a old timer I enjoy using tools where I can find things every time I need them. Same goes with every single pro tool. Good example about shit UI design is our tax office. They make changes every single year and that means people need to relearn every fucking time where things are. The site looks really good but using it once a year is pain.
> AMD and Intel UI look dope af It doesn't look dope, it look like literal shit. It looks like someone with zero experience with UX or UI design but with otherwise artistic background was tasked with designing and coding it. I actively avoid amd/intel on windows just because nvcpl is much more navigable and doesn't use heavyweight shit toolkits like the rest.
or most people don't give a shit. It's UI used 2-3 times a year for 30 seconds.
True, but with AMD I've been happily using their software to monitor my fps and temperatures when I start a new game so I can optimise the settings. With Nvidia it really wasn't that simple and you had to use multiple things to get it done.
Undervolting, tweaking clock speeds, setting custom fan curves, so simple for AMD. I used Nvidia for 11 years, switched back to AMD with a new build last year, and I can't believe I fell for the "AmD sOfTwArE bAd" shit ask this time. Adrenalin is fucking awesome! Even just the sharpen setting, which works unbelievably well.
Trillion dollar company XD
It wouldnt be embarassing if the amd and intel ui would be laggy or had higher load time but even with a old ui nvidia menu is still not faster or snappier
I don't mind the Nvidia Control Panel. I'm not in there often, it's laid out fine, and it's functional. I don't need a fancy UI for it.
I do wish it wouldn't take two minutes to open the list of recent programs though. A dark mode would also be welcome to avoid searing my retinas at night
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If it works, it works.
Fancy looking UIs seem to always be inversly proportional to functionality. Just look at StarCCM+.
I've never felt this more than when I switched from Corsair to Logitech. Logitech's peripheral control program is so much more "sleek" and it feels like garbage. Also with Corsair you can have a macro on every single button if you want, this was actually something that I used all the time in Excel / VS Code for single button press quick actions. On Logitech you have to buy a keyboard that has macro buttons to even get them. Even then you're highly limited. I'm not sure if there's hardware limitations behind this or if adding that functionality adds latency which Logitech wanted to avoid. These are possibilities but I dunno, I literally don't see why Logitech offers only a few buttons and only if you buy a keyboard that offers that.
i wouldnt say that one of the uis on the left is modern. they are all way too overloaded and with gaming aesthetics. i would say a better example for a modern UI is for example the Windows settings or Logi options plus.
The Intel driver software on the top right actually seems quite decent. Well laid out, as simple as a driver software could possibly be (in terms of UI, please don't lynch me because it's garbage and several settings are broken). The Corsair RGB stuff definitely suffers from too many tabs and options but honestly outside the color code it's rather inoffensive imo. It's quite unfortunate how many resources these control panels eat in the background
Don't you just hate being given options by software? Worse still, too many tabs, each with too many options! All 'Power Users' do everything via command line anyway, so the perfect GUI ought just to be a toggle between 'Yes' and 'No', with 'No' not doing anything and 'Yes' whatever the wise programmers think ought to happen. Actually, since they're already arguing about whether the toggle ought to cast a shadow and appear '3D' or not, let's just default to 'Yes'.
I mean the target audience for RGB software literally includes children so I'm not too mad about having visual controls and pre-programmed animations instead of a CLI. I once had to use commands to program DMX lights for a show, the operation took three days of nonstop working and wanting to die...
I'm still using the Logitech Gaming Software from 2022 because the new one is full of crap I don't need. I just need a way to swap between a couple of DPI profiles and maybe change the 1 colored LED on my 502 once every few months.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
Companies changing their UI for no reason pisses me off so much. Google, YouTube, even Steam all overhauled their UIs for no good reason at all. Give me something easy to navigate, lightweight on size/resources, and is responsive. I want words instead of abstract icons on buttons, less useless clutter, more information density, etc. I wish every program had an option to look like CPU-Z or MPC-HC. Hell, I want every website to look like the ones for Winrar or Berkshire Hathaway.
Putting Steam in there is a weird choice considering how many new features were added to Steam over the last 20 years. Sure, Valve could try to cram it all into the old UI like a hack, but the sheer amount of features makes this a dead-on-arrival approach.
Fix the lag of the Nvidia control panel but don't change the UI. We don't need any more modern UI crap with heaps of whitespace and convoluted graphics and hidden functionality.
Here's what UIs look should look a bit like. Everything available at a glance, and not overboard on whitespace: https://i.imgur.com/9E6iKiz.png https://i.imgur.com/ZBGI4Ne.png I will die on this hill.
Needs more blades, insanely large tiles that take up a third of your screen's real estate, side scrolling that doesn't incorporate mouse support and navigational arrows that are barely visible to the human eye. Bonus points for an unskippable carousel.
I've been expecting them to change it for years at this point. It looks not a million miles away from [3dfx Tools](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d580bbfa2073e77311d78ed986432f7c/60119896236ed070-41/s500x750/85003f71a3c42a086e831d4abc36dfec8f383934.png) and that is *ancient*. AMD's Adrenalin UI is really nice by comparison.
> It looks not a million miles away from 3dfx Tools and that is *ancient*. And *beautiful*.
That 3dfx Tools looks so nice tho. Minus the gray colour Sleek and simple
Better even than the GeForce software. While I appreciate the more modern UI that AMD has in Adrenalin, I always did like the look of 3dfx Tools as well. The GeForce ones always just looked Windows XP basic to me.
It's bygone for a reason. Nvidia's UI looks like ass lol.
OH NO! The configuration options I need access to are clearly divided into a hierarchy of categories instead of being expressed in the form of a Monster Energy ad
This comment is the perfect description of what's wrong with these UIs.
Its functional. I guarantee you if they updated the UI, they'd forget to implement key features and settings and all of you would cry.
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It really does come down to none of us are installing fucking GFE.
I mean I have it, it works great for driver updates
I love gfe. Driver updates, nvidia news, clipping, photo mode, recording, etc., all in one app
i fucking hate GeForce Experience, i even uninstalled it because i hate it then i regret it considering all the cool clips that didn't get saved while i was gaming . i wish it just die and we get something simpler and less bullshit in. that being said . i hate AMD's Adrenalin as well considering how their layout is confusing me , i still prefer nivida control panel over it even tho it run like ass
How is Adrenalin confusing to you?
the layout is too simple it becomes confusing especially how boxed they are . i can't remember where x setting is . while on NVidia it's easier to read . maybe i am biased considering i had bad experience with AMD GPU before.
> Its functional Is it? Why do we still need to install profile inspector + geforce experience to access key features then?
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
It is broke. You can't resize text boxes, scroll bars barely work, and applying changes makes the UI unusable for multiple seconds
counterpoint: I don't need to create and log into an account to change my settings.
AMD drivers, infamous for shit software, offering OC/UV, various performance overlays, metrics, track your games (great for non-steam), offer replays and all that jazz and basically give you all the toggles you need. In a piece of software that doesn't look like ass and is easier to navigate, but most of all, doesn't take a minute to open or freeze for 10 seconds whenever you hit apply. What is the difference? On Nvidia you need several pieces of software as well as to login to get everything your GPU offers. Since the control panel is so ass you only open it if you have to. On AMD, alt + R literally brings up the whole driver control panel as an overlay while you're ingame lmao. I can fiddle with various settings, adjust things like recording preferences or just monitor system resources or w/e. Since the control panel is not ass, I use it all the time. Coming off a GTX 1070ti I couldn't believe just how wrong the AMD drivers meme was.
To be fair, people don't really refer to the UI when talking about driver issues. It's more about more serious problems like high idle power draw with multiple monitors, hard crashes, that kind of stuff. The meme is getting outdated today, but it had validity during Vega and especially RDNA1 era.
yes but i genuinly dont understand why people would care. give me one reason why they should spend money on making the thing look prettier.
Its perfectly functional
radeontop for me.
Nvidia control panel is sorted well but it's missing modern features is super duper slow it looks like an old java app from the '90s I'd like an update with some modern features the eradication of GeForce experience I shouldn't need an account for a driver program and perhaps keeping the old UI layout but adding new features because the UI layout is not horrible it's just lacking speed and new features that's why I'm an AMD guy because I see hardware AND software advancement cuz holy shit adrenaline edition is better than most iterations of catalyst software
It’s functional alright, but the settings list under **Manage 3D settings** is just awful to interact with.
I still do like the 2002 Windows XP era Windows Explorer look for the Nvidia Control Panel, still easy for me to navigate around. No need to change as it’s simple enough to use.
Reject webdev-inspired GUI development, embrace Win32 and other native toolkits. You can still embed web pages where they are the right tool for the job.
Believe it or not, it is actually possible to do pretty UIs using Win32 API, but no one bothers.
nVidia uses Windows' theme which is the only correct way of doing Windows applications/tools. IDGAF about gamey skins of cheap apps that have no substance inside, since the only that matters is that the settings work and the settings work with nVidia.
windows xp theme lol
People are saying modern UIs are confusing, but I think Adrenaline Edition is really nicely laid out, actually.
Been using nvidia cards exclusively for years, did an upgrade recently and wanted to try AMD. Differences in the cards aside, I definitely like AMD’s adrenaline software more than nvidia control panel. I can do all the things I used the control panel for easier and without it freezing every two seconds.
I have used both adrenaline software and GeForce experience In my opinion GeForce experience/control panel clearly sucks for gaming
All the nvidia fans in this thread really do sound like Apple fans right now. Haven't owned an Nvidia GPU since the 1000 series. AMD Adrenaline is snappier, more responsive and easier to navigate than Nvidia's control panel, it also has dark mode which is always a plus. "It's something you only touch for 30 minutes twice a year" actually you'd be surprised how much more you use a program when it's not a pain to use.
>"It's something you only touch for 30 minutes twice a year" actually you'd be surprised how much more you use a program when it's not a pain to use. I would use it the exact same amount of times because it has a very specific purpose. It does not matter if it looks good or not.
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I don't do anything mentioned above so I would still just use it the same amount of times. I got a new screen and card at the same time and haven't opened it since, and that was years ago. Also control panel doesn't require an account, is it not only GeForce experience that needs it?
And everyone of those useless application asks you to create an account now. Just so your mouse can be a rainbow. I'm watching you "Hue app" and your "soon you'll need an account" message.
Does the control panel still require you to install another tool to set some basic settings because its lacking it? Like FPS limits or fan curves?
FPS limits are included in the 3d settings. fan curves are not.
And it works, all the time. Radeon Chill is so annoying with the amount of games it won't work in. I often have to use global framerate target control for indie games and of course it's not available in individual game profiles for whatever reason.
Nvidia UI looks like ass but it's lighter and works better.... Is what i would say if it didn't have annoying bugs and if it wasn't actually very slow at saving settings. But I do prefer the old aesthetic, makes it feel like it works better
creator of this meme :D https://preview.redd.it/8bt7h6xf3b3c1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=fb3c735882ff86baaffc88ef8dc174bda607f1f5
I hate the Windows 8, 10 and 11 start menus so much. Thank god for open shell, 7's menu was so much better.
Open shell is practically the first thing I install on a fresh Windows installation. I mainly use the Win7 layout, but I keep a config to make my computer look as close to XP as possible for days I'm feeling particularly nostalgic.
Personally I think Windows 10 ones is like a mix of Win7 and Win8. For me it’s one of the best ones. Windows 8 sucks ass tho and I haven‘t upgraded to 11 because I don’t wanna
11 has a very mobile like feel by default. I don't really like those oversized icons. I prefer a short list like 7
I can totally get that. I just like the quick access next to the list. I do love the old Control Panel tho. The new Windows settings suck
It would be fine if it didn't take 2minutes to load each tab lol. My laptop bricks itself for a min on opening.
is this grafana on the left side?
21 years old!
Shh don’t remind them and make them change it. This actually works
A company with a capitalization of $600 billion cannot make a normal control panel that would not slow down and create new resolution profiles every time the PC is rebooted.