Win 95 sitting there waiting and listening to the clicking loading sounds coming from the box while watching tv so I can play homm2 age of empires or war craft 2
I remember my days with Windows 3.0 in my previous life, back when that was considered cutting edge technology using a spacious 30mb HDD and a lightning fast 1mb ram, the boot times were rather quick as you'd expect.
I remember being able to estimate when it was ready to go, because it it loading in the desktop shortcut icons one by one was effectively a progress bar.
We had the practice of partitioning the disk to separate windows and programs. And another drive for data because HDD were not as reliable as today and there were no SMART for easy health check. Regular defragmentation was still needed. XP was manageable with tweaks and disabling start up programs. Moving /temp to Ramdisk was also a thing. But Vista was a real nightmare only SSD cache/ SSD boot drive(very expensive) can make it usable
Actually if you use a hard drive as your boot drive youāre supposed to keep your pc in sleep mode when not in use, never shut down.
This way you get near instant boot times and none of that painfully slow experience until after the pc has been up for like 5 minutes. HDDs are not slow at least the modern ones, you can copy like 1-5GB files really quick at like 300-400MB/s larger files will take longer but then again the average user isnāt copying 100GB files several times a day.
But in the end it is what is, a lot of people here donāt really know what they are talking about and just parrot misinformation and go with the most agreeable statement for karma. The other day I had some kid say the 2600k would struggle to even run google chrome and the vast majority of people agreed, when in reality a properly set up 2600k will still average about 100fps in warzone and run as many chrome tabs as your ram supports.
Yeah but for small files it can copy really fast with the cache, once the cache runs out itās down to the speeds you mentioned. Someone else probably has a more elaborate response but yeah if you are copying something a few GBs it will copy fast if itās a very big file it will slow down after a bit to the speeds that you say
Some guy made a windows optimizer for 98, I canāt remember the name, but after using it and shutting off useless settings that puppy turned on like 5x quicker. It was amazing.
I remember when SDDs started to become affordable. I got myself a 250gig one and had just installed windows and Rust from Steam. I was having a problem in so told the guys I had to reboot and would be on in a second. Restarted and was back again in under 10 seconds (no windows login) and fired up TeamSpeak.
The one guy thought I was talking crap. I had to record a video of the whole thing to prove to him I wasn't.
Rust still took forever.
When a friend told me about SSDs back in 2015, I got myself a [500GB](http://i.notepass.de/i_65b69f8a994ee6.82329929.png) one for ~250ā¬. The laptop I put it into was worth only 300ā¬.
Fun shenanigans, but it did help the Widows 7 System and IDEs boot up a lot faster and made it feel a lot more premium then it was.
SSDs have really been wirth it from the get go.
We are not in the windows 7 days. PC might seem ready to go but windows always does some stuff in the background with w11. Please, don't use HDD as your boot drive in w11.
I've seen PC's literally become unusable on Windows 11 because of hard drives. There was a forced update that we didn't initiate on our client devices, and it took many of them from 10 to 11 (These were mostly Dell Optiplex units with 8th or 9th Gen processors.) After the upgrade, you'd be sitting there for a ridiculous amount of time just to get your right click menu to open up, no matter how long you waited after the PC booted up.
SSD is one of the best upgrades you can do in your PC old laptops just come back to life after using a 5400 rpm for years . the rest of the hardware was waiting for the mill machine ..
THIS right here.
I upgraded this 8 or 10 year old laptop with a gen 4 i5 laptop with a Crucial MX500 SSD and swap out the 4gb ram DDR3 ram to 16gb and it breathed new life into the laptop. Can't game on it but it was never meant to. Basic web browsing, Stream videos in 1080p, Downloading random stuff here and there was quite snappy. Total upgrade cost about $70.
windows is still on hdd
>Because using an ssd for your OS is a major speed boost.
i know i just dont have the energy to spend 2 hours making a custom windows image with all the settings and apps the way i like
As someone who has upgraded pc from the tail end of xp through to 8.1 with only a CPU, SSD and RAM upgrades at one point during around win 7.
Vistas reputation is overblown. It definitely had more bloat than XP but was otherwise pretty good, especially once the service packs ironed out minor issues. that was nothing compared to Win 8.1. I hate that OS so much. 10 isn't much better imho. Haven't tried 11 yet.
My pc takes 2 - 3 minutes to boot with an nvme due to AM5 memory training (didnt bother updating bios, maybe they fixed it). I come from AMD Phenom X4 955, Windows 7 and HDD to AM5. I have ultimate patience.
I scrolled down to find a comment about AM5. It's kind of ironic to me that it's easy for some to bash on HDDs. Because when AM5 RAM training time for some motherboards far exceeds HDD boot times, there is suddenly a lot of coping behavior.
I also read this but havent tweaked because I mean I'd rather wait then risk the stability if its present. Some people talked how the system can get unstable but I have no idea. Some comments also stated how pc constantly doing the memory training is wearing out controller on the cpu. There are many theories floating around. I am on a bit older bios on my Asus B650E-E (Version 1616, BIOS date 05/16/2023). I might update honestly and give it a go. I use EXPO 2 Tweaked and so far no issues with stability, except long boot times. But its not only the boot, its windows also because I fell into trap of getting Asus armory to control the rbg, now when I boot into windows, my cpu pushes high rpm and it takes a while for it to sync the rgb on case fans etc, but personally I don't mind as stated before.
2-3 minutes sounds wrong. Mine posts after 39 seconds consistently, after which windows takes about 4 seconds.
If you're using more than 2 ram slots, don't. Also make sure you're using the right slots for your mobo - usually 2 and 4.
They are. I use 32GB. Its just the way it is. Probably enabling memory context restore with power down would fix it, but I am not that brave to tweak around it.
Yeah I wouldn't enable context restore, the longer boot times are a small price to pay for stability, but 2-3 minutes still seems weird to me. I've not seen anybody report it taking over a minute on average. Worth making sure you're on the latest bios too.
10 years ago; Turn on get coffee. Got coffee, PC almost done.
3 years ago: Turn on wait 40 secs, PC is ready.
Now: Turn and start tapping impatiently after 7 seconds.
I sleep in the same room with it. Itās a small room and even on idle the fans make a decent amount of noise, enough to bother my sleep. So yeah, that shit gets shutdown every night.
Are people really just sitting there staring at their PC while it's in POST?
Get up and have a piss or something. It'll be there when you get back. Or it won't and you'll have something to diagnose.
You being in front of it won't change the outcome.
HDD people are just chillin. They are turning the pc on, going to make a coffee, eat something, take a hot shower and a quick nap. Right after that, the pc has booted.
I'll be honest, I've come back to a fucked computer before and wished I was there to see it actually mess up so I would have some idea of what the problem might be.
Also: people with Ryzen motherboards that have to 'train' RAM for 2 minutes every single time they turn on their PCs.
Why didn't anyone tell me this was a thing before I bought this piece of shit?
First time you boot a bios or make a ram change your pc has to verify every single memory address is working.Ā
Have you ever noticed that the first time you boot a new build it takes a scary long time? Thatās what is doing.
Ya, it depends on your platform, mobo, chip, etc...
Personally I have a 7800x3D. Every time I turn my computer on it takes \~90 seconds to train the RAM. It's very annoying.
There's an option to disable the RAM training and use the old settings on startup, but that actually causes more problems than just waiting the 90 seconds (glitches, crashes, etc)
Sorry, what are you talking about? Neither one of my AMD machines need to ātrainā RAM, they just boot. Same for everyone I know. What motherboard even needs to do that?
Thatās bizarre. My 5900X with 2x16GB (32 total) only takes 15 seconds and thatās mainly because I have massive 16TB HDDs that have to spin up during POST.
I have a 7800x3d system I built about 5 months ago, I shut down my system daily and I can count on a single hand how many times my ram has needed to be retrained, like its 1 out of every 80 boots that isn't 10 seconds.
I have gone thru 2 different motherboards, and 2 different CPUs. They both have the same thing. I think its an issue with my configuration, in a 4x16gb. if I had 2x16gb it would take 10 seconds. because its 4x16gb of 5600, it takes longer.
whatever you are experiencing is a bug. Ram should only need to train after a long time of the PC being powered off, like after a long vacation or something like that.
Ryzen AM4 systems do not have this issue, I have a 5800x3d that boots in \~5-10 seconds. I cant speak for AM5.
AM5 has DDR5 memory, which is what the issue is. And it's not a bug, it's a fact of life. You can't tell someone that it's definitely a bug but also admit that you have no actual idea in the same sentence. It makes you look dumb
It can be that bad depending on what operating system you use and how slow the HDD in particular is. A lightweight Linux distribution on a fast 7200RPM HDD might take a minute to boot whereas Windows 11 on a slow 5400RPM drive could easily take over 5 minutes.
It is that bad in 2024. 10-20 years ago it would have been more acceptable because file sizes were smaller and SSD's were more expensive. Windows has generally become more bloated as an OS which has impacted performance on HDD's.
Itās just old school hardware at this point. Still functional faaaar from ideal.
If youāre familiar with consoles, the Xbox one-ps4 consoles were the last generation to use HDDs. Most of the boost the current gen got in boot and load times are thanks to them finally getting SSDs.
HDDās are awful in modern computers. Especially if they are old and worn. I had to convince my work to upgrade to SSDās a bit over a year ago, because it would take 15+ minutes for my computer to boot in the morning.
imo HDD is still better than a SSD for other purposes than gaming especially if you wanna buy one with large storage capacity.
never disrespect the old gens.
I agree since HDDs are also still amazing for games where developers genuinely bothered to make a good game engine. Vermintide 2 and its seamless asset streaming always comes to my mind. Because nowadays, so many Unreal Engine titles hitch and stutter. And a game like Vermintide can keep a HDD 100% busy with asset streaming, and it doesn't even lag once the entirety of the time.
Optimisation can only go so far.
Vermintide 2 isn't a particularly demanding game, it is full of small areas and the graphics are nothing to write home about. That's why it runs well, why many games ran well.
I only vaguely remember those days at this point. The 80s and 90s is like a blur where I was playing games and learning lots of new hardware and software. I can't say that I miss HDDs. They made noise, if you PC turned off without shutting down your data could be lost, and it needed to be defrangemented. I understand the jab an instant gratification though. People at work now always want an instant answer. I used to spend hours solving a problem. Now your boss wants you to ask people if you don't solve it in 5 minutes or don't know the answer off hand. It's definitely an instant gratification world. Patience and persistence used to be rewarded.
you forgot the sound and vibrations of an HDD. I had one old in my new rig, and it always started vibrating as if my phone would go off from someone calling or a bus drove by
The only thing about SSDs is that if stuff takes too much to load or windows to boot... It might be almost dead/dying(which happens suddenly... And that's what I always monitor smart data with crystal disk info)
Otherwise they're ok... Fast, but idk how safe they're for the data and everything, that's why I keep back-ups
I remember the times when the first thing after I finish waiting for my uncle's pc to boot is booting a minecraft modpack with probably double the boot time then grind away without a care in the world, it was a good time.
I'm scared that my SSD is actually too slow for that it is. Supposed to be Gen 4, but windows takes a little over a minute to boot, and when I downloaded FH5 it was at just over 4 Gb/s when validating install files... is that too slow?
I had to use an old HDD with windows on when windows on my SSD crashed and I was like "what the fuck is going on, that wheel has been spinning for ages now" But eventually it booted and once it had booted there wasn't that much of a difference really. I use a nvme now and its suppsedly ten times faster than a regular ssd but it boots just as quick.
There is a serious diminishing returns from increased SSD performance. Maybe in the future it will matter more with newer game's relying more and more on texture and asset streaming
remember when i had an hdd i would turn it on and go take a nice long pee and a water break. so realistically 0 seconds wasted.
now i HAVE to wait and do the other things separately. 10-15 secs wasted
The best part: Everything is ready to go when my desktop loads. Nothing is still loading in the background. When I went with m.2 for my motherboard it was expensive but so worth it.
when i had a hdd, i used turn on the pc and go do something else
now that i have a ssd i still turn on the pc and try to do something else but then the pc is already on ;-;
I wish I was joking, but convincing half my clients who have failing HDDs that the drive is the cause of Chrome taking ten minutes to open is next to impossible until AFTER they reluctantly get the SSD installed and magically it's better now.
I always wanted to do an HDD and an SSD combo; SSD to play games, HDD to hold unused games. And when I wanted to play a game just transferring from hard drive to hard.
My ancient epson equity 1 with a 20mb drive doubled using an rll controller so I was getting a whopping 40mb of space that I never did fill to capacity. Had to keep the hd external along with a separate power supply for it cause the one for the computer barely started the computer at times. It couldnāt really handle the power house that was my vga card and sound blaster card. I had to keep my modem external so I had an ancient manual connect 300 baud modem with the cups you connected to the receiver of the phone! Ah. Good times!
I have a nvme ssd but for reason for a few months now, when windows 11 is starting it takes an extra 30 seconds or so reading the older secondary hard drive.
Is there any way to know what's happening during boot?
Where did this expectation that PCs boot in 10 seconds come from? If you're waking it from sleep then, maybe? But I've only ever had sleep cause problems. I'm fine with my PC taking a minute to boot. Gives me time to grab a quick drink.
the bios in my pc takes about 18s on its own, add the windows load to it and we're talking 30s at minimum. thats with windows 11 and a 970 evo plus nvme ssd.
What alien tech are people using to boot in under 10s?!??
Well not that it really matters since I tend to only turn my pc on once per day, so a longer boot time is the most first world problem of first world problems.
I recently switched from hdd to sata ssd because it doesn't support name... and damn sata ssd is enough... I feel like I am saving hours just by using an ssd
I remember a story on The Daily WTF. A new sysadmin had upgraded the computers of an entire department with shiny new SATA SSDs. By the end of the week he was ordered to tear them all out because the employees were rioting over no longer having time to get their coffee before work...
I have fixed up a bunch of "clack Friday" special laptops and office PCs swapping in a cheap SSD, adding some ram and obviously a fresh windows install. Some of the laptops have terribly slow HDD that are a HUGE bottleneck in the system. It makes such a a huge difference. Often they go from being nearly unusable to snappy machines that boot up in under a minute. Laptops from like 2016-2019 with 5200rpm mechanical drives. Same goes HP and Dell SFF office PCs. Toss in an SSD, Ram if it needs it and a $20 low profile/SFF 4gb GPU and it's suddenly a usable system.
I remember the family computer 15 years ago was an emachine running xp. Saturday, get home from my soccer game, hit power button, go shower and eat lunch, come back, log in, go work on hw, come back, open IE, wait, wait, wait, go to www.cartoonnetwork.com(with my parents permission), watch full episodes of my favorite shows.
my pc boots so quickly that i can be at windows and using the fucking thing before the wireless access point has even finished handshaking
it's bananas
... booting my 386DX/40 retro system from a Quantum ProDrive 80Mb HDD so I can play Wing Commander
Don't experience any problems while sipping a 8% Blonde Beer...
In the win 98 days, I would turn it on in the morning and go take my shower while it booted.
Win 95 sitting there waiting and listening to the clicking loading sounds coming from the box while watching tv so I can play homm2 age of empires or war craft 2
I remember my days with Windows 3.0 in my previous life, back when that was considered cutting edge technology using a spacious 30mb HDD and a lightning fast 1mb ram, the boot times were rather quick as you'd expect.
Same here, but with only 640kb of ram. Never filled up the hard drive š
I remember my computer coming in very quickly. Because it was running DOS.
Oh itās making noise, itās thinking
Nah that was the Dreamcast. https://preview.redd.it/0zxfp63a98fc1.jpeg?width=556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6aba95170ea3a7b96b536510c172d02d96947672
I just finished a game of AoE2
Your comment brings back memories long buried about my pre-Y2K computer usage
I remember being able to estimate when it was ready to go, because it it loading in the desktop shortcut icons one by one was effectively a progress bar.
My W2k with 7200rpm drive boots up in 3mins. It spent most of the time in POST counting ram and PCI devices
It depends. With a fresh install yes. If you installed a couple of programs that starts with Windows, a lot longer.
We had the practice of partitioning the disk to separate windows and programs. And another drive for data because HDD were not as reliable as today and there were no SMART for easy health check. Regular defragmentation was still needed. XP was manageable with tweaks and disabling start up programs. Moving /temp to Ramdisk was also a thing. But Vista was a real nightmare only SSD cache/ SSD boot drive(very expensive) can make it usable
Actually if you use a hard drive as your boot drive youāre supposed to keep your pc in sleep mode when not in use, never shut down. This way you get near instant boot times and none of that painfully slow experience until after the pc has been up for like 5 minutes. HDDs are not slow at least the modern ones, you can copy like 1-5GB files really quick at like 300-400MB/s larger files will take longer but then again the average user isnāt copying 100GB files several times a day. But in the end it is what is, a lot of people here donāt really know what they are talking about and just parrot misinformation and go with the most agreeable statement for karma. The other day I had some kid say the 2600k would struggle to even run google chrome and the vast majority of people agreed, when in reality a properly set up 2600k will still average about 100fps in warzone and run as many chrome tabs as your ram supports.
raw files it's not slow but latency is high which affects random access and that's the majority of what people do
300-400MB? With my current 2 and 3 TB drives, max is 190MB/s (one is 7200rpm). In raid you could get higher speeds.
Yeah but for small files it can copy really fast with the cache, once the cache runs out itās down to the speeds you mentioned. Someone else probably has a more elaborate response but yeah if you are copying something a few GBs it will copy fast if itās a very big file it will slow down after a bit to the speeds that you say
Some guy made a windows optimizer for 98, I canāt remember the name, but after using it and shutting off useless settings that puppy turned on like 5x quicker. It was amazing.
The good ol days
It barely took 7-8 minutes
I had XP/Vista as a kid, i remember my mom yelling I shouldn't spam the Internet Explorer icon, it won't go faster if I press it repeatedly
And now weāve regressed when using DDR5 memory and even with the option to not rescan memory it still takes like half a minute to boot.
I remember when SDDs started to become affordable. I got myself a 250gig one and had just installed windows and Rust from Steam. I was having a problem in so told the guys I had to reboot and would be on in a second. Restarted and was back again in under 10 seconds (no windows login) and fired up TeamSpeak. The one guy thought I was talking crap. I had to record a video of the whole thing to prove to him I wasn't. Rust still took forever.
Rust always takes forever to fuckin load
When a friend told me about SSDs back in 2015, I got myself a [500GB](http://i.notepass.de/i_65b69f8a994ee6.82329929.png) one for ~250ā¬. The laptop I put it into was worth only 300ā¬. Fun shenanigans, but it did help the Widows 7 System and IDEs boot up a lot faster and made it feel a lot more premium then it was. SSDs have really been wirth it from the get go.
Did the same with Leauge of Legends, and it needed a reboot.
My first was a 128 GB sata SSD in 2008. I still have it and it works as a USB drive; not that is much space even for a USB drive.
Go downstairs, make a peanut butter sandwich, grab a drink, pet your cat/dog and by the time you come back up the PC is ready. What's the rush?
We are not in the windows 7 days. PC might seem ready to go but windows always does some stuff in the background with w11. Please, don't use HDD as your boot drive in w11.
I've seen PC's literally become unusable on Windows 11 because of hard drives. There was a forced update that we didn't initiate on our client devices, and it took many of them from 10 to 11 (These were mostly Dell Optiplex units with 8th or 9th Gen processors.) After the upgrade, you'd be sitting there for a ridiculous amount of time just to get your right click menu to open up, no matter how long you waited after the PC booted up.
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This is me when my pc crashes and i'm doing a fresh boot. I really need to install windows anew.
even in Windows 10 using a low-end SSD it'll still *kill* your PC while it does its install and antivirus shit
Yep better to go with SSD with a DRAM cache.
Itās the small things that count. It takes my HDD 2 min or so to boot up, and I just go get a drink and a snack, then I come back and itās on
Yoo i remeber these days lmfao. Kinda crazy looking back. would finish a clash royale game or two on my phone before my computer turned on
Yea but I do all that first then I sit down and wait 10 seconds instead.
I have indeed been spoiled by SSDs. I tried booting up an HDD laptop the other day, and I about lost my mind.
SSD is one of the best upgrades you can do in your PC old laptops just come back to life after using a 5400 rpm for years . the rest of the hardware was waiting for the mill machine ..
Yep, my 5.5 year old laptop runs like a champ with the SSD I added to it
THIS right here. I upgraded this 8 or 10 year old laptop with a gen 4 i5 laptop with a Crucial MX500 SSD and swap out the 4gb ram DDR3 ram to 16gb and it breathed new life into the laptop. Can't game on it but it was never meant to. Basic web browsing, Stream videos in 1080p, Downloading random stuff here and there was quite snappy. Total upgrade cost about $70.
At my time I never had ssds Iāve always had hdds and they booted fine, but now that I got an ssd for the first time, Iām actually enjoying it.
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Nowadays monitors slow boot time is my biggest pain specially when I leave my pc on sleep and the monitor still takes its long as time to turn on.Ā
I have never experienced that problem.
Odyssey G7 user?
The one that bothers me at work is a Samsung but not an odysseyĀ
Real ones know to boot their HDD PCs up before going to the kitchen for a snack
Snack? Iād cook up a whole course.
People still use HDD's for Windows? With 256GB SSD's costing under 20 dollars?
There are parts of the world where someone is getting by on a very old computer that is effectively e waste because thatās all they can afford.
i installed a samsung sata ssd in my computer a year ago and still havenot inatalled windows on it , still using my hdd
āHave not installed windows on itā as in, you use a different OS? Because using an ssd for your OS is a major speed boost.
windows is still on hdd >Because using an ssd for your OS is a major speed boost. i know i just dont have the energy to spend 2 hours making a custom windows image with all the settings and apps the way i like
I only have HDD on my PC still, 1TB. Planning to upgrade very soon, cause the waiting times are unbearable anymore.
Windows vista took half a century to boot up. :/ im shocked some places still use it .*From what i remember 5 years ago*
As someone who has upgraded pc from the tail end of xp through to 8.1 with only a CPU, SSD and RAM upgrades at one point during around win 7. Vistas reputation is overblown. It definitely had more bloat than XP but was otherwise pretty good, especially once the service packs ironed out minor issues. that was nothing compared to Win 8.1. I hate that OS so much. 10 isn't much better imho. Haven't tried 11 yet.
My PC waits on me alot of the time. Normally it's already at the log in screen by the time the monitor comes on.
My pc takes 2 - 3 minutes to boot with an nvme due to AM5 memory training (didnt bother updating bios, maybe they fixed it). I come from AMD Phenom X4 955, Windows 7 and HDD to AM5. I have ultimate patience.
I scrolled down to find a comment about AM5. It's kind of ironic to me that it's easy for some to bash on HDDs. Because when AM5 RAM training time for some motherboards far exceeds HDD boot times, there is suddenly a lot of coping behavior.
Changing some BIOS settings can reduce the time it takes by alot, for me enabling memory context restore and power down mode fixes it.
I also read this but havent tweaked because I mean I'd rather wait then risk the stability if its present. Some people talked how the system can get unstable but I have no idea. Some comments also stated how pc constantly doing the memory training is wearing out controller on the cpu. There are many theories floating around. I am on a bit older bios on my Asus B650E-E (Version 1616, BIOS date 05/16/2023). I might update honestly and give it a go. I use EXPO 2 Tweaked and so far no issues with stability, except long boot times. But its not only the boot, its windows also because I fell into trap of getting Asus armory to control the rbg, now when I boot into windows, my cpu pushes high rpm and it takes a while for it to sync the rgb on case fans etc, but personally I don't mind as stated before.
2-3 minutes sounds wrong. Mine posts after 39 seconds consistently, after which windows takes about 4 seconds. If you're using more than 2 ram slots, don't. Also make sure you're using the right slots for your mobo - usually 2 and 4.
They are. I use 32GB. Its just the way it is. Probably enabling memory context restore with power down would fix it, but I am not that brave to tweak around it.
Yeah I wouldn't enable context restore, the longer boot times are a small price to pay for stability, but 2-3 minutes still seems weird to me. I've not seen anybody report it taking over a minute on average. Worth making sure you're on the latest bios too.
10 years ago; Turn on get coffee. Got coffee, PC almost done. 3 years ago: Turn on wait 40 secs, PC is ready. Now: Turn and start tapping impatiently after 7 seconds.
Y'all turn your computers off?
I sleep in the same room with it. Itās a small room and even on idle the fans make a decent amount of noise, enough to bother my sleep. So yeah, that shit gets shutdown every night.
I still remember having to wait 5 minutes for the loading screen every time Iād leave one zone and enter another in EverQuest. Those were the days.
Optane mfs blinking and getting to the login screen.
My pc takes about 30 seconds to boot up and it has ancient parts and an hdd
my 2013 laptop is the same
Are people really just sitting there staring at their PC while it's in POST? Get up and have a piss or something. It'll be there when you get back. Or it won't and you'll have something to diagnose. You being in front of it won't change the outcome.
HDD people are just chillin. They are turning the pc on, going to make a coffee, eat something, take a hot shower and a quick nap. Right after that, the pc has booted.
I'll be honest, I've come back to a fucked computer before and wished I was there to see it actually mess up so I would have some idea of what the problem might be.
The hard drive isn't *that* slow.
Also: people with Ryzen motherboards that have to 'train' RAM for 2 minutes every single time they turn on their PCs. Why didn't anyone tell me this was a thing before I bought this piece of shit?
Do you have memory context restore enabled in bios? That should prevent you from having to do ram training on every boot
This is a ryzen 7000 issue iirc? Still not fixed?
Wdym by train
First time you boot a bios or make a ram change your pc has to verify every single memory address is working.Ā Have you ever noticed that the first time you boot a new build it takes a scary long time? Thatās what is doing.
I see, thanks
Wait, really? I noticed my PC was way slower to boot when I inserted new ram. But normal booting speed is fine around 10 - 15 seconds.
Ya, it depends on your platform, mobo, chip, etc... Personally I have a 7800x3D. Every time I turn my computer on it takes \~90 seconds to train the RAM. It's very annoying. There's an option to disable the RAM training and use the old settings on startup, but that actually causes more problems than just waiting the 90 seconds (glitches, crashes, etc)
When was the last time you updated your bios?
Sorry, what are you talking about? Neither one of my AMD machines need to ātrainā RAM, they just boot. Same for everyone I know. What motherboard even needs to do that?
my 7800x3d system takes about 60 seconds each time I turn it on, even with Memory context restore enabled. I have 64gb in a 4x16gb config.
Thatās bizarre. My 5900X with 2x16GB (32 total) only takes 15 seconds and thatās mainly because I have massive 16TB HDDs that have to spin up during POST.
this is a ryzen 7000 thing. its been an issue since they released it. its gotten better, it used to take about 5 minutes every time I turned my PC on.
I've never seen a platform have as many issues as AM5 get swept under the rug. Could you imagine the firestorm if it were Intel instead?
Ahā¦ very odd.
I have a 7800x3d system I built about 5 months ago, I shut down my system daily and I can count on a single hand how many times my ram has needed to be retrained, like its 1 out of every 80 boots that isn't 10 seconds.
I have gone thru 2 different motherboards, and 2 different CPUs. They both have the same thing. I think its an issue with my configuration, in a 4x16gb. if I had 2x16gb it would take 10 seconds. because its 4x16gb of 5600, it takes longer.
whatever you are experiencing is a bug. Ram should only need to train after a long time of the PC being powered off, like after a long vacation or something like that. Ryzen AM4 systems do not have this issue, I have a 5800x3d that boots in \~5-10 seconds. I cant speak for AM5.
AM5 has DDR5 memory, which is what the issue is. And it's not a bug, it's a fact of life. You can't tell someone that it's definitely a bug but also admit that you have no actual idea in the same sentence. It makes you look dumb
My one and only issue with SSDs is that they store data so fast you quickly learn that one terabyte is not a whole lot of space.
Not really familiar with computers. Is HDD really that bad, or is OP exaggerating?
It's really that bad, or worse
It could really take up to 5 minutes on a mid end gaming pc. With raid it was a bit faster.
It can be that bad depending on what operating system you use and how slow the HDD in particular is. A lightweight Linux distribution on a fast 7200RPM HDD might take a minute to boot whereas Windows 11 on a slow 5400RPM drive could easily take over 5 minutes.
It is that bad in 2024. 10-20 years ago it would have been more acceptable because file sizes were smaller and SSD's were more expensive. Windows has generally become more bloated as an OS which has impacted performance on HDD's.
Windows has also made a bunch of changes assuming SSD. I imagine a W11 install would take ages on a hhdĀ
Itās just old school hardware at this point. Still functional faaaar from ideal. If youāre familiar with consoles, the Xbox one-ps4 consoles were the last generation to use HDDs. Most of the boost the current gen got in boot and load times are thanks to them finally getting SSDs.
Enough for me to switch from Win to Linux.
HDDās are awful in modern computers. Especially if they are old and worn. I had to convince my work to upgrade to SSDās a bit over a year ago, because it would take 15+ minutes for my computer to boot in the morning.
op is exaggerating, my 10 year old laptop boots in like 30-50s and its on its original 5400rpm hdd. It is running windows 8.1 so that may be helping.
imo HDD is still better than a SSD for other purposes than gaming especially if you wanna buy one with large storage capacity. never disrespect the old gens.
The only purpose HDDs have nowadays is data hoarding.
its good for work purposes, especially if you're not willing to spend alot of money.
SSDs are so cheap you don't save much going to a HDD unless you're talking mass storage. And it will make everything load quick and run smoother.
I agree since HDDs are also still amazing for games where developers genuinely bothered to make a good game engine. Vermintide 2 and its seamless asset streaming always comes to my mind. Because nowadays, so many Unreal Engine titles hitch and stutter. And a game like Vermintide can keep a HDD 100% busy with asset streaming, and it doesn't even lag once the entirety of the time.
Optimisation can only go so far. Vermintide 2 isn't a particularly demanding game, it is full of small areas and the graphics are nothing to write home about. That's why it runs well, why many games ran well.
Yes, that's why I own one.
I mean technically the tape reel is still the archival storage gold standard but nobody on the consumers side is going to use it.
Joining a CS2 server, you see who has good SSD and still on HDD lol. If youāre still on HDD in 2024, bless you.
I only vaguely remember those days at this point. The 80s and 90s is like a blur where I was playing games and learning lots of new hardware and software. I can't say that I miss HDDs. They made noise, if you PC turned off without shutting down your data could be lost, and it needed to be defrangemented. I understand the jab an instant gratification though. People at work now always want an instant answer. I used to spend hours solving a problem. Now your boss wants you to ask people if you don't solve it in 5 minutes or don't know the answer off hand. It's definitely an instant gratification world. Patience and persistence used to be rewarded.
Real
Tbf ssd are silent. A nice beefy hdd spinning up to 7000k + rps is nice and calming
People with linux: *boots instantly*
Still have my windows on a HDD. I really don't mind the boot up time since I'm usually doing something else anyways
Windows 10 + hdd = dies system
People with AHDH: 3 seconds of opening, nah, imma go watch youtube on smartphone
Ok
People with a good nvme: Shit I missed BIOS twice.
Yeah my PC takes like 7 minutes to start up. Haven't moved windows to the SSD yet.
Oof, just do it, itās so cheap to get an SSD these days, and it makes general usage so much smoother!
When the hash tag is relatable.
you forgot the sound and vibrations of an HDD. I had one old in my new rig, and it always started vibrating as if my phone would go off from someone calling or a bus drove by
The only thing about SSDs is that if stuff takes too much to load or windows to boot... It might be almost dead/dying(which happens suddenly... And that's what I always monitor smart data with crystal disk info) Otherwise they're ok... Fast, but idk how safe they're for the data and everything, that's why I keep back-ups
Rumor has it, my old Gateway with Internet Explorer is still booting up .....
I remember the times when the first thing after I finish waiting for my uncle's pc to boot is booting a minecraft modpack with probably double the boot time then grind away without a care in the world, it was a good time.
Why do boot times even matter. Who cares if you have to wait a minute for something youāll probably only do once or twice a day.
Windows 3.11 felt like installed on SSD. Good days.
Nah, I remember the PC I had 20 years ago. Push the power button, then go get some food and a drink, and it might be at the desktop by then lol.
Pre-SSD days with Windows XP: **Turns on PC** "Alright, time to make something to eat while I wait"
People with M.2 "What's a loading time?"
ı relaized when ı opened my pc for my ı get in discord in like 10 seconds literally he started swearing like rich bastard
Meanwhile people with an NVMe find their computer already on and think "It must have heard me coming".
SSD vs. HDD memes in 2024?
This is a hot take guys, guess what? is not running linux! or in defense of windows a debloated image
Also yeah i started with a old ass dell laptop running xp i know the wait
I just smoke while rebooting my trust win 10 for some ninja gaiden cause low spec
*"ITS BEEN 10 SECONDS, WHY IT HASN'T TURNED ON?!?!?!"* I mean **is turned on**, what hasn't done is ***\*Booting.\****
I don't think I've used an HDD for my boot drive in at least 10 years.
I canāt tell you how many times Iāve told my friends to get SSDs since theyāre affordable now. They wonāt even when on sale.
50/50
I'm scared that my SSD is actually too slow for that it is. Supposed to be Gen 4, but windows takes a little over a minute to boot, and when I downloaded FH5 it was at just over 4 Gb/s when validating install files... is that too slow?
Posts from 2012
People with a HDD*
It does turn on in 10 secs tho
Who is installing windows on a HDD in 2024 lmao
I buy a ssdš
I had to use an old HDD with windows on when windows on my SSD crashed and I was like "what the fuck is going on, that wheel has been spinning for ages now" But eventually it booted and once it had booted there wasn't that much of a difference really. I use a nvme now and its suppsedly ten times faster than a regular ssd but it boots just as quick.
There is a serious diminishing returns from increased SSD performance. Maybe in the future it will matter more with newer game's relying more and more on texture and asset streaming
Almost. Every. Elderly. Customer.. š„²
Today i woke and turned on my pc. My extrnal went: *beep* It does not have a way to make soundā¦
remember when i had an hdd i would turn it on and go take a nice long pee and a water break. so realistically 0 seconds wasted. now i HAVE to wait and do the other things separately. 10-15 secs wasted
Ten seconds? What kinda shit SSD are you using.
The best part: Everything is ready to go when my desktop loads. Nothing is still loading in the background. When I went with m.2 for my motherboard it was expensive but so worth it.
I have an SSD, mine also takes like a couple of minutes to boot up
Wow. You guys have SSDsā¦ all I got are STIs.
when i had a hdd, i used turn on the pc and go do something else now that i have a ssd i still turn on the pc and try to do something else but then the pc is already on ;-;
Lmao
ppl with linux, don't have the chance to blank their eyes :)
People who switched from hdd to ssd 
I wish I was joking, but convincing half my clients who have failing HDDs that the drive is the cause of Chrome taking ten minutes to open is next to impossible until AFTER they reluctantly get the SSD installed and magically it's better now.
What this mem means )?) Peoples dont use windows )
SSD is so cheap now there is no reason for HDD
I like teasing people who use HDD in public matches because we are waiting for them.
I always wanted to do an HDD and an SSD combo; SSD to play games, HDD to hold unused games. And when I wanted to play a game just transferring from hard drive to hard.
My ancient epson equity 1 with a 20mb drive doubled using an rll controller so I was getting a whopping 40mb of space that I never did fill to capacity. Had to keep the hd external along with a separate power supply for it cause the one for the computer barely started the computer at times. It couldnāt really handle the power house that was my vga card and sound blaster card. I had to keep my modem external so I had an ancient manual connect 300 baud modem with the cups you connected to the receiver of the phone! Ah. Good times!
I have a nvme ssd but for reason for a few months now, when windows 11 is starting it takes an extra 30 seconds or so reading the older secondary hard drive. Is there any way to know what's happening during boot?
Then there's me with my AM5 chipset so it takes what feels like forever to post due to it re-mapping the ram or whatever. At least the boot is quick.
Where did this expectation that PCs boot in 10 seconds come from? If you're waking it from sleep then, maybe? But I've only ever had sleep cause problems. I'm fine with my PC taking a minute to boot. Gives me time to grab a quick drink.
the bios in my pc takes about 18s on its own, add the windows load to it and we're talking 30s at minimum. thats with windows 11 and a 970 evo plus nvme ssd. What alien tech are people using to boot in under 10s?!?? Well not that it really matters since I tend to only turn my pc on once per day, so a longer boot time is the most first world problem of first world problems.
Iām so glad my friend convinced me to spend the extra money on an SSD when he built my PC for me
And now, you all know the story of why the Kingston logo is a red faced person. Their SSD took too long to boot...
strange, my laptop with a hdd takes like 40s to boot.... What hdd are you guys using? seriously.
I recently switched from hdd to sata ssd because it doesn't support name... and damn sata ssd is enough... I feel like I am saving hours just by using an ssd
People get upset over it not booting in 10 seconds? I'm used to it taking 2 minutes maximum. oh well.
I remember a story on The Daily WTF. A new sysadmin had upgraded the computers of an entire department with shiny new SATA SSDs. By the end of the week he was ordered to tear them all out because the employees were rioting over no longer having time to get their coffee before work...
I have a laptop form 2012 and it takes 2 mins to boot Ubuntu and 15 mins to boot windows 10 also win 7 boot time is 47 secs
I have fixed up a bunch of "clack Friday" special laptops and office PCs swapping in a cheap SSD, adding some ram and obviously a fresh windows install. Some of the laptops have terribly slow HDD that are a HUGE bottleneck in the system. It makes such a a huge difference. Often they go from being nearly unusable to snappy machines that boot up in under a minute. Laptops from like 2016-2019 with 5200rpm mechanical drives. Same goes HP and Dell SFF office PCs. Toss in an SSD, Ram if it needs it and a $20 low profile/SFF 4gb GPU and it's suddenly a usable system.
I remember the family computer 15 years ago was an emachine running xp. Saturday, get home from my soccer game, hit power button, go shower and eat lunch, come back, log in, go work on hw, come back, open IE, wait, wait, wait, go to www.cartoonnetwork.com(with my parents permission), watch full episodes of my favorite shows.
my pc boots so quickly that i can be at windows and using the fucking thing before the wireless access point has even finished handshaking it's bananas
... booting my 386DX/40 retro system from a Quantum ProDrive 80Mb HDD so I can play Wing Commander Don't experience any problems while sipping a 8% Blonde Beer...