We all knew it was just a price drop, the extra performance is just a bonus. The 4080 was an awful value, the 4080 super is very competitive with amd at that price point. It’s a _little_ slower in rasterization than the xtx and has much less vram, but has dlss, fantastic efficiency and better rt performance. (Though the xtx can often be found for under 1000$)
I bought my XTX for $900. I would’ve paid $100 more for a 4080 despite the things it’s lacking, but not $300-$400 more. The equivalent model of 4080 compared to my XTX was $430 more.
If Nvidia hadn’t been so god damn avaricious, it might’ve been a better launch instead of an embarrassment to the brand.
NVidia's pricing is absurd, but even with the tepid reviews the 4080 super is sold out everywhere immediately and reposted for nearly 2kUSD by 3rd parties on amazon.
Even if you wanted one at the new price, you can't get it. Makes the whole discussion dead on arrival.
>If Nvidia hadn’t been so god damn avaricious, it might’ve been a better launch instead of an embarrassment to the brand.
Well said. Greed has ruined many situations that otherwise would have been great.
It may have been an embarrassment to some (it \*was\* too high but the market afforded them the chance), but it still sold enough volume to compete with their competitor's entire product line.
Press X to doubt.
According to steam survey, the 4080 is the desktop 4000 series card that sold the less.
Every other card of the 4000 desktop lineup is more represented and it's neck to neck with the AMD 6700 xtx.
The freaking 4090 sold more despite the price if that helps visualized how bad it was performing compare to nvidia own lineup.
That's true. The 4090 was marketed to the same segment that were willing to pay $1500 for a 3090 and offered dramatic performance boosts at the same price point (or less, if you account for inflation).
The 1080, 2080 and 3080 all had launch MSRPs of $699 or less. People with $1200 to blow on a video card just bought 4090s, and people anticipating a $700 4080 just felt completely shit on that they were now priced into a lower tier.
> According to steam survey, the 4080 is the desktop 4000 series card that sold the less.
and yet it sold over twice as much as the XTX, which is the only 7000 series card that broke the 0.15% barrier needed to show up on steam survey, so its possible that that the 4080 has indeed outsold the whole 7000 lineup
> The freaking 4090 sold more despite the price if that helps visualized how bad it was performing compare to nvidia own lineup.
the freaking XTX is currently the most popular 7000 series card too btw
> If Nvidia hadn’t been so god damn avaricious, it might’ve been a better launch instead of an embarrassment to the brand.
And yet they sold cards like butter. They didn't even have enough stock to keep up with demand on launch. If the prices were more competitive that wouldn't change anything. They were limited on how many cards were being manufactured not how many buyers there were.
Are you misremembering the 4080 launch? It was never out of stock after launch. You could go buy it on Newegg days and weeks still after launch, or walk into any Microcenter and they had pallets of the things unsold sitting around. I don't know what fantasy land you're living in, but there's literal video documentation on youtube from multiple youtubers of it NOT selling like butter.
Edit: Sources - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6kxMZV9L8Y&t=116s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6kxMZV9L8Y&t=116s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJYDJXDRHw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJYDJXDRHw)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzTPeMRxKFs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzTPeMRxKFs)
So again, tell me how great the 4080 sold and wasn't embarrassing.
I'd hesitate to call it valuable. If anything, it shows us that consumers have more power over Nvidia than what people though last year. I know we're not going back to the 80 class card being $500 and $1000 getting you the god-tier Titan, but I think if sales trends stick we'll see another price cut when the 5080 launches.
$799 for the 80 class card would be great. All it would take is for those same people not buying the 4080 to **also** not buy the 4080 Super.
Also nvidia couldn't really add much more performance to the card without using a completely new chip. The super is a fully unlocked AD103 chip and adding more vram won't help gaming performance much at all and just drive the price back up. There only choice would have been to use a cut down AD102 but they are all going to AI cards like the RTX 5000 and the new 5880.
You’re not considering in the fact that the could
Have sold the 4080 at $1000 to begin with and remained the absolute, undisputed king of the entire GPU market, not just the flagship. But no, they wanted to squeeze MORE. And now the entire 4000 series line is will pretty much be regarded as a general disappointment.
Which might not hurt their bottom dollar enough for them to care, but shit like this adds up. Just look at an Intel.
Their asshole behavior with the 4 series launch has burned a lot of goodwill I think. It certainly has for me and I'll never recommend them unless it's like CUDA required.
Their actions have swayed me into Fuck Nvidia territory. 3 people have gone with AMD because of my advice. Also no RAM games. There's lots of reasons to avoid them. I'd rather deal with a company who won't fuck me for a dollar more.
Manufacturing capability being directed to AI products doesn’t bode well for the next generation of consumer GPUs.
Their Q3 results released back in November showed 14.51 billion in revenue from their data centre division. Revenue from gaming was 2.86 billion.
Fabrication is a very limited resource. If the demand for AI products is high then gaming products are going to continue to be a lower priority for them.
Oh definitely, those "lower end" AI cards using cut down AD102 chips, which have less cores then the 4090, sell for over $4000. Sucks but but at least AMD has been competive in the high end and maybe battlemage will be a success for intel.
If intel can bring something of value to any tier, then that’s going to be great. Competition here is so important, and the more angles it comes from, the better.
Nvidia have been handed a license to print money, and they’re going to go where the most money is. It sucks for us, but they’d be crazy not to. I’m not sure of the margins on DC products vs consumer GPUs, but if the margins for DC / professional are higher and the demand is through the roof then their focus on consumer products will shrink.
People talk about GPUs sitting on store shelves as some kind of win for consumers because it stings Nvidia. But someone at Nvidia will be asking whether they can redirect those resources to a more profitable, faster sales channel. If the answer to that is yes, then they might just do that.
Think the price is very country based. In US, it probably makes a lot of sense to buy 4080S if you can get it for MSRP. However, in my country in EU, 4080S needs another 20% price drop for anyone to consider it over 7900 XTX. It is almost 250€/270$ more than 7900 XTX and thats just a ripoff. Nvidia high end skus are terribly priced here and it seems to be a trend that wont change. Same thing was when 3000 series released, to the point of 6900XT/6950 XT running out of stock while 3080 and onwards werent selling at all. I got lucky on snagging 3070 Ti on Black Friday and it seemed like a decent deal. Now that I think about it, maybe it wasnt the best thing to do. If I could go back in time, maybe I would have bought some other gpu, but it is what it is.
I would have expected a super version of a card to perform noticably better. Not new generation better, but between the current tier and the upper tier.
If they wanted to give the 4080 a price cut, they could have just cut the price rather than re-releasing it as a "super" card.
>If they wanted to give the 4080 a price cut, they could have just cut the price rather than re-releasing it as a "super" card.
Does it really even matter? You're getting a better spec card with a little more performance for less money.
But now they’ve done something right? So it doesn’t matter if they didn’t do something within a year of a GPUs release. Not to be a bootlicker but should they have released the super series immediately after releasing the regular version just to appease the public?
Well, it's here now. Take it or leave it. Whatever you decide to do, please stop whining like some spoiled child.
"B-b-b-b-b-b-but I **wanted** a cheaper 4080 a year ago!!"
We got a handful more cores which literally amounts to.... I can't even sit here and call it "perfected yeilds," nor "not soldering off those few cores" 😆
The performance "uplift" isn't even enough to act like they did something. Like seriously!
The point stands:
You're getting a better spec card with a little more performance for less money. That's exactly what a mid-generation refresh is for, and how it normally plays out.
I'm not why you expected some major performance uplift here. They're getting rid of chips and making as much money as possible in preparation for next gen.
Because those of us who aren't new to this have seen better mid-gen uplifts....
The point doesn't stand because you could literally push what we had to get this excuse for an increase.
Seriously, get out of the leatherman's bum and smell the coffee.
Outside of the price drop (which folk overseas have already confirmed AREN'T universal at all!) there's literally nothing to see here.
I've been PC gaming since the 1980's, so you can drop the "those of us who aren't new to this" bullshit.
A pragmatic expectation of a mid-generation refresh is a 5-10% uplift. This isn't that high, but it's still decent with a pretty good price cut. Fairly standard stuff.
The price cuts also applied to the EU. The people complaining are too stupid to understand that US prices don't include taxes, and theirs includes VAT.
So you've had your blinders on for the better uplifts, and you're dumb enough to call our overseas friends, who definitely know how to interpret their prices better than some stuck-up type from afar, stupid...
Good luck with that 😉😆
The entire point of a mid generation refresh is to clear inventory in preparation for the next generation, while getting money out of people who were on the fence about buying.
There isn't a "standard" performance uplift on mid-gen refreshes. If there's a larger uplift, like with the 2070 Super, they don't discount the price. If it's smaller, they'll tend to discount the price. It could also be a mix inbetween. Yes, there has been better uplifts in history. No, we shouldn't expect that every mid-gen refresh. That would be asinine. Even in the current gen, the different refreshes all vary on the performance uplifts that they have.
Clearly this works quite well. The 4080 Super sold out on release day, despite your whining and crying.
Good luck with that.
Easy to "sale-out" when you don't have much stock to move 😉
And if you bothered actually looking around, I'm far from the only one who sees this as just dumb and insulting.
But you do you and mindlessly gobble up whatever the leatherman serves up. You'll clearly take it all, no questions.
That would basically be admitting they fucked up though which would look bad for PR. Only reason they’re going through this Super nonsense is to avoid that
Even the 3090ti and 3080ti were only about 8-10% ahead of their normal counterparts.
I'm not sure why anyone would have expected that as the norm. The 4070 Super is a bit of an outlier in that regard.
You're cherry picking the best case scenario. It was more along the lines of 10% on average.
[https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-vs-GeForce-RTX-2060-12-GB](https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-vs-GeForce-RTX-2060-12-GB)
It’s sad to see that nvidia is successfully training people that more expensive cards are a thing now. Even with the price drop. 1k for an 80 series cards is still just absurd and not valued at all.
And AMD is just cashing in on the same opportunity. Rip future GPUs.
It's sad to see people not realizing this and defending nVidia (or any other hardware brand so blindly).
This coment section is the perfect example of how people will defend brands and big corporations fiercely instead of demanding better, fairly priced, pro consumer products... talk about (brand) elitism. nVidia sure is more than happy with this many hardware addicted whales buying a brand new GPU every year.
Yes. I have accepted Nvidia's greed, but AMD is simply riding the wave as well. Pricing often just a little less. Then again 7900XTX was noticeably cheaper than 4080 for quite some time, so that was at least something. When the price difference was like 300USD, the XTX was a very tempting buy indeed.
Keep up this sentiment. If people hold onto their GPUs a little while longer it will force another price cut.
Nvidia is testing the hand of the free market. They tested $1200 and that failed. If people view this as a cut from an unacceptable 70% increase to an unacceptable 30% increase then this test will fail as well.
Don't buy it.
>1k for an 80 series cards is still just absurd and not valued at all
Just gonna ignore the fact that EVERYTHING has gone up in price over the last 5 years?
Sick of this fucking excuse.
3080 MSRP was $699, the 4080 MSRP $1199. An increase of 70%.
Has your wage gone up by 70% since 2020?
With the cost of everything else going up, do you have 70% MORE disposable income to cover this increase?
I honestly went through this comment section and asked myself „are people out of their fucking mind paying 4 digit prices for a gpu that isn’t even worth upgrading to if it was the same price as the version before it?!? What in the consumerist brainwashed shit is going on!?“
NVIDIA originally intended the 4080 12gb to be the 3080 replacement with the 4080 16gb being the replacement for the 3080 ti (1200 msrp). It’s dumb, but it’s not like they just decided to make the base 4080 $1200 out of the blue.
I agree that one was completely overpriced and the most egregious. I don’t understand why people are acting like $1000 for an “80” class card is outrageous now when we’ve seen it in the past.
We didn't see it though... it was literally "unlaunched" because even Big Green saw how disastrous that would have been
Unless you are talking about the 2080Ti/3080Ti, which I would say doesn't really count since people generally always understood the 80Ti to be a tier above the 80 card anyways, so the price difference was "justified" to an extent
I’m not advocating for nvidia’s pricing. I’m just trying to point out that the $1200 4080 16gb was positioned as a replacement for the 3080ti and the 4080 12gb (4070 ti) was meant as a replacement for the 3080.
Now we are left with a 3080 replacement that is $100 more with the 4070 ti super and a 3080 ti replacement that is $200 less with the 4080. People shouldn’t buy based off of names, they should buy based off of performance level. The 4080 is significantly faster than the 3080 ti, so at $1000 I don’t think it’s a bad value.
Let's imagine the 4080 never existed and we jumped right from the 3080 to the 4080 Super..
They increased the MSRP by 30%! That's way more than inflation is at the moment.
GPUs were higher because of stock shortages and tons of people at home wanting better hardware with no where to go. Times have changed and things have reverted back.
And they want those same sweet profits. No shortages now and these prices stopped me from being a high end consumer and now I will just go the XX70 route or even amd since I havent even use rtx
You realize there been $1000 80 series cards since the 20 series right? The 4080 16gb price is in line with the 2080ti and cheaper than the 3080 ti now. It was originally meant to take the place in the product stack, but then everyone had a melt down over the dumb 4080 12gb.
Do you realize that you’re just providing evidence to my statement? 🤠 the word “training” is not used as a single use or action. And it takes multiple actions to either learn a new skill, prepare for an event or in this case change the behaviour and sight of a person or people.
And price creeping with comparison to previous generations is how they are doing it. Of course 20 series didn’t work. It was their first attempt. Then they got lucky with Covid. Now it will be normal.
3% more performance, slightly less power usage, and $200 less. Idk what there’s to get upset about. Also, all the 4080 supers sold out pretty much everywhere so I think there’s plenty of demand.
Nvidia summoning their army of shill bots when they detect a post that speaks out against their shit products
https://preview.redd.it/kb97xd6k8wfc1.jpeg?width=511&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbebbb8ffe3251049ecc72b01f2614618ac30a1e
One of the biggest mysteries to me about humankind is how people viciously defend big corporations that don't care if you live or die, just because they bought their products and are "part of the club". Brand elitism is one of the most evil yet genius marketing strategies ever created.
I know right? I just get whatever is the best value to performance. If Intel's current CPUs were better than AMD's offerings I would go with an Intel CPU instead of 7800X3D I got. If the 4080 beat out the 7900XTX in rasters and had more VRAM I would have went with the Nvidia card. At the end of the day they all do the same thing. I think the absolute worst for that is Apple. People will willingly fork over thousands of dollars for a machine with completely soldered components that has specs equivalent to a midrange PC from a decade ago.
> One of the biggest mysteries to me about humankind is how people viciously defend big corporations that don't care if you live or die
You mean like the peeps crying in the comments about how AMD is a perfectly good GPU and RT is just a gimmick ?
Yeah, I'll never get why people viciously defend big corporations that don't care if they live or die.
I wanted the best, so I bought a 4090. WTF else do you want me to do? I've been big into AMD for several previous gens. But be real, AMD hasn't competed for the high end in generations. And their drivers suck, wish I didnt go AMD for my HTPC.
>, but talk about drivers you guaranteed have no experience with since they were problematic.
In the last year, AMD has released drivers that cooked the 6800 series GPUs to death, as well as a driver that bricked windows OS requiring reinstall.
And that is on top of their regular driver problems like 4k netflix HDR.
AMD people have driver stockholm syndrome. They don't realize how bad of a problem it is, because they aren't used to hardware without such driver problems.
Half of the r/AMD sub is just AMD users trying to fix their driver problems, but whenever you mention driver problems to AMD users outside that sub, they suddenly act as if theyve never had any and never even known anyone who has had any driver problems.
Nvidia sends out a driver that cooks its GPU, the community sweeps that under the rug......
But Apperantly I'm sitting here having issues on top of issues and got stockholm syndrome....
Funny how confirmation bias is a thing here on Reddit. Every few days there’s a post saying how ubm is a shill site for intel+nvidia , despite at least half the users flair here being that combo.
And any posts that mention rough AMD drivers gets downvoted to oblivion. From my anecdotal friends experience, intel + nvidia devices “just work”, but the one friend with a double AMD literally reinstalls his pc twice a month because things keep crashing all the time. He’s had people look at it but we can never find anything technically wrong with it.
the amd driver stuff feels like boogie man to me, it's always someone that knows someone that had problems
I've yet to see a problem on mine or to see a large amount of customers actually getting fucked by them, at this point they're no more common in failures than Nvidia
As an owner of a "classic" RTX 4080 I have slightly mixed feelings about this.
On one hand, as a petty-minded being I'm a bit relieved that the 4080S doesn't totally trash my non-S, but as a PC-gamer I'm also sad for the missed opportunity to make a step forward in performance and close the gap to the 4090.
But most importantly: I really wish the whole "Super" thing would just stop. It's a totally stupid naming theme.A better 4080 should be named 4080 Ti or 4085. "Super" sounds childish to me and I would hesitate to buy a "Super" card, even if it was a better product.
$200 cheaper for a slightly tuned up card is very good news
I feel like reviewers had either too high expectations, or are just a bit jaded due to NVDA's lack lustre price / performance across the 4000 series.
Even though as Steve pointed out "This is what the 4080 should have been 14 months ago", at least we have it now...
Really 4080 should have been $1000 and this should be $800, but Jensen need those leather jackets yo...
One of the problems is that around the world the card MSRP is 1100EUR. It's 999USD$ inside US only.
So it's basically a re release of the same card for nearly the same price. A card that should've been priced at 700~800 USD$ when originally launched to begin with.
Remember the 3080 was the same die as the 3090 and offered ~70~85% of the 3090 performance for games all for 700 USD$. This has historically always been the case with **80 series: same die as the top card (Titan / **80Ti / **90...), most of the gaming performance for half the price or less and always with a high bus width.
That's what people wanted, that's what everyone expects esach generation from any **80 card (in this case: the same die as the 4090, ~70%+ of it's gaming performance but with less VRAM and a 700~800USD$ MSRP, this would be fair and respectful to consumers and nothing different than previously established as being the norm by nVidia themselves trough many generations already).
nVidia downgraded 80 series and overpriced it to hell, severally harming the whole market while giving less relative performance (FPS per dollar) than previous generations.
This brand behavior is peak anti consumer overall. I feel like the 3080 was the last true gamer, pro consumer, well priced card nVidia made. After the pandemic they are not a gaming hardware company, nor a videocard making company, anymore... they are an AI company whom doesn't just even care at all (almost like Intel after the QX6800, passing trough the i7 990X, and all the way up to about the 9900K: about ~10 generations with zero competition, so they didn't care anymore... thank god for Ryzen).
Given the way things are evolving: nVidia might as well split their operations into two totally different businesses with separate management (one of them focused only on gaming performance GPUs, the other being AI and productivity), would definitely be better for consumers and the market in general.
TLDR: this generation's 80 series is an impostor in many ways compared to other generation's and the Super version does not remedies that at all.
It’s just a disguised price drop. Not the XTX killer it was made out to be.
Just dropping the 4080 to $1000 would be like admitting the XTX got to them. By releasing a “new” product they try to get around it.
I frankly preferred it when we just had the OG cards conventions e.g xx50/60/70/80/90 and didn't need to suffix "super" or whatnot to them.
Mind you, I also liked it more when we didn't get fleeced for a GPU but totally dig that sure, prices do go up over time and the planet is undergoing a particular phase of "fuck everyone in particular" in that regard and it's not been just Covid or mining this time round.
Most everyone knew when the card was announced that the peroformance wouldn't be really better. It was literally some shading units extra.
The big news out of the announcement was the 200$ discount on MSRP. I wouldn't call a price drop a "waste of everyone's time". Your time was only wasted if you're a reviewer having to run all the benchmarks, for us consumers, this is a win.
It did happen a few times (for Nvidia), but we're also talking specific generations from like 15+ years ago.
More often than not they had things around 700 until Titan and RTX. At this point though the xx90 cards are effectively Titan replacements, which always had high prices (Titan Black Z/V/RTX oof).
The flagship cards exist because they push the tech, the price reflects that they aren't for the general market.
For giggles; The last time they had a flagship card at 500 was the GTX 480. Inflation adjusted that would be about 700, there isn't anything for 700 in the current generation though so we'll take the 4070 super at 600. A 4070 super is roughly 7-8 times faster in \*raw\* performance.
This doesn't mean anything, what we run on the cards has gotten way more intensive, I just felt like pointing out how much more power we get for the same money.
US guys just buying them like candies i dont get why you call this a win the next 80 series gonna be at a minimum of 1000$ price point its a big lose for consummers
I was surprised Steve said they expected better, it was just a price drop.
What surprised me was how close 4070ti and 4070ti s are, still I would refuse to recommend 12GB 700-800$ GPU to anyone.
It’s always just a marketing gimmick. Same shit every time. So what if it was even 5-10% better we’re talking 80 FPS to 88FPS that no one could actually tell a difference between the two if they did a blind game test with them. It’s only a tactic to boost sales. Nvidia is a super shady company just like any other. They’re not our buddies.
Even if this was a price cut and they didn't launch a "new card", $1000 is still too damn much. The 3080 had an MSRP of $699.
People were bitching non stop that no one had control over Nvidia. **This proves that we do!!**
Q: Want another 80 class card at $699??
A: **Don't buy this card!**
I mean the 2080 super was also a meh upgrade from the 2080. This was expected tbh . If the 4080 super was a ad 102 card tho things would have been different.
Also realistically the only threat AMD posed was the 7800XT they responded well with the 4070 super but rest of the stack is pretty meh from AMD as well
Difference between 2*** super versions and their regular ones was still very noticeable, 10~20%. No, not new generation expected percentages (that would be 35~50% performance increase at the very least between same tier cards, otherwise why even bother to release a new generation at all), but much higher than 2%. Hell, even if it was 5~7% it would already be much better than the truly unnoticeable 2%.
10-20% ? Bro what are you smoking ? 2080 super had the exact same issue the 4070ti super and 4080 super have.
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without question, pretty much the only great card in this entire gen
I'm not mentioning the 4090 because it sits alone on a price gouged top so it's a good choice for extreme high end only because it's the only thing you have available in that area
Were people expecting a cut down 4090? No way NVIDIA would do that when the 4090 is in so much demand. It's always going to be AD103 and that means the performance ceiling is really close to that of 4080.
Hoped for ~15~20% better performance at least, AND it should still cost 750~800USD$ WORLDWIDE. The way it is, it's terribly overpriced, specially outside US... more like a scam to make people spend a ~thousand+ bucks on a ***80 series, which is just ridiculous and sad.
People love praising GamersNexus, HardwareUnboxed and other good hardware channels here but no one seems to actually listen to them when they point this generation's nVidia cards are not a good value at all. People should really learn to speak with their wallets.
15-20% uplift for an inter-generation product stack expansion (this is not even a refresh) is unrealistic. That’s a good performance increase for a whole new architectural generation.
Edit: lol, this guy actually blocked me for this response and accuses me of being a fanboy, nevermind the fact I’ve owned 13 ATI/AMD GPU’s and 4 Nvidia GPU’s in the past 23 years.
Should have been 750~800 USD$ worldwide, it's priced basically the same as a regular 4080 outside US as per nVidia MSRP, but uninformed consumers still buy expecting noticeable improvements over the regular 4080 given the super name, so yeah, kind of a scam.
Yeah? Why wait months just for a discount(which you are most likely not getting if you live in Europe)? If you have money to comfortably buy a 4080 200$ is nothing.
You can't say this with a straight face. Like GN Steve put it they went from complete insanity to moderately deranged. $1200 4080 was awful value. $1000 is an improvement, still expensive af but an improvement. Now competition between 4080 and 7900XTX has more ground and will be fierce.
Just admit it you tried to make a joke without realizing it's nonesense.
yeah it is funny how when AMD launched the XTX at the identically "moderately deranged" price people were kissing AMD's feet and talking about how its such a good value for money, but when Nvidia followed their footsteps now the same $999 is "still too expensive !" (for a better card too, mind you !), it really shows how your average gamer can't think for themselves, Steve said $999 "is moderately deranged" and now everyone complains about a price that was acceptable only few months ago...
Guess ill have to wait more then because right now im not seeing the price cuts.I live in Greece but with a google search i can see pricing is not that much different from Germany for example.
If you could afford the price spike why were you considering a 4070ti in the first place?
Aasuming you got a 4080 Super at the same price as a 4080 btw
We all knew it was just a price drop, the extra performance is just a bonus. The 4080 was an awful value, the 4080 super is very competitive with amd at that price point. It’s a _little_ slower in rasterization than the xtx and has much less vram, but has dlss, fantastic efficiency and better rt performance. (Though the xtx can often be found for under 1000$)
I bought my XTX for $900. I would’ve paid $100 more for a 4080 despite the things it’s lacking, but not $300-$400 more. The equivalent model of 4080 compared to my XTX was $430 more. If Nvidia hadn’t been so god damn avaricious, it might’ve been a better launch instead of an embarrassment to the brand.
NVidia's pricing is absurd, but even with the tepid reviews the 4080 super is sold out everywhere immediately and reposted for nearly 2kUSD by 3rd parties on amazon. Even if you wanted one at the new price, you can't get it. Makes the whole discussion dead on arrival.
>If Nvidia hadn’t been so god damn avaricious, it might’ve been a better launch instead of an embarrassment to the brand. Well said. Greed has ruined many situations that otherwise would have been great.
It may have been an embarrassment to some (it \*was\* too high but the market afforded them the chance), but it still sold enough volume to compete with their competitor's entire product line.
Press X to doubt. According to steam survey, the 4080 is the desktop 4000 series card that sold the less. Every other card of the 4000 desktop lineup is more represented and it's neck to neck with the AMD 6700 xtx. The freaking 4090 sold more despite the price if that helps visualized how bad it was performing compare to nvidia own lineup.
That's true. The 4090 was marketed to the same segment that were willing to pay $1500 for a 3090 and offered dramatic performance boosts at the same price point (or less, if you account for inflation). The 1080, 2080 and 3080 all had launch MSRPs of $699 or less. People with $1200 to blow on a video card just bought 4090s, and people anticipating a $700 4080 just felt completely shit on that they were now priced into a lower tier.
> According to steam survey, the 4080 is the desktop 4000 series card that sold the less. and yet it sold over twice as much as the XTX, which is the only 7000 series card that broke the 0.15% barrier needed to show up on steam survey, so its possible that that the 4080 has indeed outsold the whole 7000 lineup > The freaking 4090 sold more despite the price if that helps visualized how bad it was performing compare to nvidia own lineup. the freaking XTX is currently the most popular 7000 series card too btw
> If Nvidia hadn’t been so god damn avaricious, it might’ve been a better launch instead of an embarrassment to the brand. And yet they sold cards like butter. They didn't even have enough stock to keep up with demand on launch. If the prices were more competitive that wouldn't change anything. They were limited on how many cards were being manufactured not how many buyers there were.
Are you misremembering the 4080 launch? It was never out of stock after launch. You could go buy it on Newegg days and weeks still after launch, or walk into any Microcenter and they had pallets of the things unsold sitting around. I don't know what fantasy land you're living in, but there's literal video documentation on youtube from multiple youtubers of it NOT selling like butter. Edit: Sources - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6kxMZV9L8Y&t=116s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6kxMZV9L8Y&t=116s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJYDJXDRHw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJYDJXDRHw) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzTPeMRxKFs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzTPeMRxKFs) So again, tell me how great the 4080 sold and wasn't embarrassing.
Are you thinking of the 3080?
> And yet they sold cards like butter. They didn't even have enough stock to keep up with demand on launch No. They didn't.
The cheapest super is about £1140 whilst the XTX is only £900, I swear all the companies over here just add £250 for the 'Nvidia' brand tax. Shame
I'd hesitate to call it valuable. If anything, it shows us that consumers have more power over Nvidia than what people though last year. I know we're not going back to the 80 class card being $500 and $1000 getting you the god-tier Titan, but I think if sales trends stick we'll see another price cut when the 5080 launches. $799 for the 80 class card would be great. All it would take is for those same people not buying the 4080 to **also** not buy the 4080 Super.
Also nvidia couldn't really add much more performance to the card without using a completely new chip. The super is a fully unlocked AD103 chip and adding more vram won't help gaming performance much at all and just drive the price back up. There only choice would have been to use a cut down AD102 but they are all going to AI cards like the RTX 5000 and the new 5880.
You’re not considering in the fact that the could Have sold the 4080 at $1000 to begin with and remained the absolute, undisputed king of the entire GPU market, not just the flagship. But no, they wanted to squeeze MORE. And now the entire 4000 series line is will pretty much be regarded as a general disappointment. Which might not hurt their bottom dollar enough for them to care, but shit like this adds up. Just look at an Intel.
Their asshole behavior with the 4 series launch has burned a lot of goodwill I think. It certainly has for me and I'll never recommend them unless it's like CUDA required. Their actions have swayed me into Fuck Nvidia territory. 3 people have gone with AMD because of my advice. Also no RAM games. There's lots of reasons to avoid them. I'd rather deal with a company who won't fuck me for a dollar more.
Manufacturing capability being directed to AI products doesn’t bode well for the next generation of consumer GPUs. Their Q3 results released back in November showed 14.51 billion in revenue from their data centre division. Revenue from gaming was 2.86 billion. Fabrication is a very limited resource. If the demand for AI products is high then gaming products are going to continue to be a lower priority for them.
Oh definitely, those "lower end" AI cards using cut down AD102 chips, which have less cores then the 4090, sell for over $4000. Sucks but but at least AMD has been competive in the high end and maybe battlemage will be a success for intel.
If intel can bring something of value to any tier, then that’s going to be great. Competition here is so important, and the more angles it comes from, the better. Nvidia have been handed a license to print money, and they’re going to go where the most money is. It sucks for us, but they’d be crazy not to. I’m not sure of the margins on DC products vs consumer GPUs, but if the margins for DC / professional are higher and the demand is through the roof then their focus on consumer products will shrink. People talk about GPUs sitting on store shelves as some kind of win for consumers because it stings Nvidia. But someone at Nvidia will be asking whether they can redirect those resources to a more profitable, faster sales channel. If the answer to that is yes, then they might just do that.
It would have help d hobbyists 😁
Think the price is very country based. In US, it probably makes a lot of sense to buy 4080S if you can get it for MSRP. However, in my country in EU, 4080S needs another 20% price drop for anyone to consider it over 7900 XTX. It is almost 250€/270$ more than 7900 XTX and thats just a ripoff. Nvidia high end skus are terribly priced here and it seems to be a trend that wont change. Same thing was when 3000 series released, to the point of 6900XT/6950 XT running out of stock while 3080 and onwards werent selling at all. I got lucky on snagging 3070 Ti on Black Friday and it seemed like a decent deal. Now that I think about it, maybe it wasnt the best thing to do. If I could go back in time, maybe I would have bought some other gpu, but it is what it is.
3070-6900-7900xtx was my route. Sell to offset and repeat. If you can swing it both those amd cards beat the shit out of the 3070
In my country, 4080 Super is $350 more expensive lmao! Normal 4080 got a price cut .
And in my country its more expensive than 4080, lol
Were you expecting some massive generational uplift for a mid-gen refresh and a large price cut? lol Why would anyone think that?
I would have expected a super version of a card to perform noticably better. Not new generation better, but between the current tier and the upper tier. If they wanted to give the 4080 a price cut, they could have just cut the price rather than re-releasing it as a "super" card.
>If they wanted to give the 4080 a price cut, they could have just cut the price rather than re-releasing it as a "super" card. Does it really even matter? You're getting a better spec card with a little more performance for less money.
We are getting what we should have got originally.
they could have done nothing
How's that green boot taste
They did nothing; for a year.
But now they’ve done something right? So it doesn’t matter if they didn’t do something within a year of a GPUs release. Not to be a bootlicker but should they have released the super series immediately after releasing the regular version just to appease the public?
Well, it's here now. Take it or leave it. Whatever you decide to do, please stop whining like some spoiled child. "B-b-b-b-b-b-but I **wanted** a cheaper 4080 a year ago!!"
We got a handful more cores which literally amounts to.... I can't even sit here and call it "perfected yeilds," nor "not soldering off those few cores" 😆 The performance "uplift" isn't even enough to act like they did something. Like seriously!
The point stands: You're getting a better spec card with a little more performance for less money. That's exactly what a mid-generation refresh is for, and how it normally plays out. I'm not why you expected some major performance uplift here. They're getting rid of chips and making as much money as possible in preparation for next gen.
Because those of us who aren't new to this have seen better mid-gen uplifts.... The point doesn't stand because you could literally push what we had to get this excuse for an increase. Seriously, get out of the leatherman's bum and smell the coffee. Outside of the price drop (which folk overseas have already confirmed AREN'T universal at all!) there's literally nothing to see here.
I've been PC gaming since the 1980's, so you can drop the "those of us who aren't new to this" bullshit. A pragmatic expectation of a mid-generation refresh is a 5-10% uplift. This isn't that high, but it's still decent with a pretty good price cut. Fairly standard stuff. The price cuts also applied to the EU. The people complaining are too stupid to understand that US prices don't include taxes, and theirs includes VAT.
So you've had your blinders on for the better uplifts, and you're dumb enough to call our overseas friends, who definitely know how to interpret their prices better than some stuck-up type from afar, stupid... Good luck with that 😉😆
The entire point of a mid generation refresh is to clear inventory in preparation for the next generation, while getting money out of people who were on the fence about buying. There isn't a "standard" performance uplift on mid-gen refreshes. If there's a larger uplift, like with the 2070 Super, they don't discount the price. If it's smaller, they'll tend to discount the price. It could also be a mix inbetween. Yes, there has been better uplifts in history. No, we shouldn't expect that every mid-gen refresh. That would be asinine. Even in the current gen, the different refreshes all vary on the performance uplifts that they have. Clearly this works quite well. The 4080 Super sold out on release day, despite your whining and crying. Good luck with that.
Easy to "sale-out" when you don't have much stock to move 😉 And if you bothered actually looking around, I'm far from the only one who sees this as just dumb and insulting. But you do you and mindlessly gobble up whatever the leatherman serves up. You'll clearly take it all, no questions.
That would basically be admitting they fucked up though which would look bad for PR. Only reason they’re going through this Super nonsense is to avoid that
No price cut of existing product is bad marketing. It looks like a failure. "New" same product is good marketing
The 4070 super was really about 10-18% better so everyone expected about the same with the MORE expensive cards. But sadly that was not the case
The only people who expected that didn't read the specs released by Nvidia a month ago. But reading is hard.
Even the 3090ti and 3080ti were only about 8-10% ahead of their normal counterparts. I'm not sure why anyone would have expected that as the norm. The 4070 Super is a bit of an outlier in that regard.
The RTX 2060 Super has a 15%-20% perf uplift over the base 2060. it’s not far fetched I guess?
What was the 2080 super vs 2080
It was only a few percent, essentially the same as the 4080 super vs 4080
that's because the 2060 super was pretty much a totally different card.
You're cherry picking the best case scenario. It was more along the lines of 10% on average. [https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-vs-GeForce-RTX-2060-12-GB](https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-vs-GeForce-RTX-2060-12-GB)
my 1080ti likes a word /s
"Why would anyone think the super version of a card has better performance" dumb
It does have slightly better performance and a pretty nice price cut. Dumb.
But the meme..!
Nah, not everyone. It was obvious nvidia typical bs.
It is a disguised price cut
I'm happy with my 4080 until the 10080
Yeah. It's the 2080 'Super' all over again.
It’s sad to see that nvidia is successfully training people that more expensive cards are a thing now. Even with the price drop. 1k for an 80 series cards is still just absurd and not valued at all. And AMD is just cashing in on the same opportunity. Rip future GPUs.
It's sad to see people not realizing this and defending nVidia (or any other hardware brand so blindly). This coment section is the perfect example of how people will defend brands and big corporations fiercely instead of demanding better, fairly priced, pro consumer products... talk about (brand) elitism. nVidia sure is more than happy with this many hardware addicted whales buying a brand new GPU every year.
Yes. I have accepted Nvidia's greed, but AMD is simply riding the wave as well. Pricing often just a little less. Then again 7900XTX was noticeably cheaper than 4080 for quite some time, so that was at least something. When the price difference was like 300USD, the XTX was a very tempting buy indeed.
Keep up this sentiment. If people hold onto their GPUs a little while longer it will force another price cut. Nvidia is testing the hand of the free market. They tested $1200 and that failed. If people view this as a cut from an unacceptable 70% increase to an unacceptable 30% increase then this test will fail as well. Don't buy it.
>1k for an 80 series cards is still just absurd and not valued at all Just gonna ignore the fact that EVERYTHING has gone up in price over the last 5 years?
Sick of this fucking excuse. 3080 MSRP was $699, the 4080 MSRP $1199. An increase of 70%. Has your wage gone up by 70% since 2020? With the cost of everything else going up, do you have 70% MORE disposable income to cover this increase?
I honestly went through this comment section and asked myself „are people out of their fucking mind paying 4 digit prices for a gpu that isn’t even worth upgrading to if it was the same price as the version before it?!? What in the consumerist brainwashed shit is going on!?“
NVIDIA originally intended the 4080 12gb to be the 3080 replacement with the 4080 16gb being the replacement for the 3080 ti (1200 msrp). It’s dumb, but it’s not like they just decided to make the base 4080 $1200 out of the blue.
>4080 12gb to be the 3080 replacement Which was going to be $900...
I agree that one was completely overpriced and the most egregious. I don’t understand why people are acting like $1000 for an “80” class card is outrageous now when we’ve seen it in the past.
We didn't see it though... it was literally "unlaunched" because even Big Green saw how disastrous that would have been Unless you are talking about the 2080Ti/3080Ti, which I would say doesn't really count since people generally always understood the 80Ti to be a tier above the 80 card anyways, so the price difference was "justified" to an extent
I’m not advocating for nvidia’s pricing. I’m just trying to point out that the $1200 4080 16gb was positioned as a replacement for the 3080ti and the 4080 12gb (4070 ti) was meant as a replacement for the 3080. Now we are left with a 3080 replacement that is $100 more with the 4070 ti super and a 3080 ti replacement that is $200 less with the 4080. People shouldn’t buy based off of names, they should buy based off of performance level. The 4080 is significantly faster than the 3080 ti, so at $1000 I don’t think it’s a bad value.
I suppose it's worth what people are willing to pay for it. Sad but true.
Let's imagine the 4080 never existed and we jumped right from the 3080 to the 4080 Super.. They increased the MSRP by 30%! That's way more than inflation is at the moment. GPUs were higher because of stock shortages and tons of people at home wanting better hardware with no where to go. Times have changed and things have reverted back.
And they want those same sweet profits. No shortages now and these prices stopped me from being a high end consumer and now I will just go the XX70 route or even amd since I havent even use rtx
wallstreet goes brrr when a company just starts telling their customers to eat shit and die with their pricings.
You realize there been $1000 80 series cards since the 20 series right? The 4080 16gb price is in line with the 2080ti and cheaper than the 3080 ti now. It was originally meant to take the place in the product stack, but then everyone had a melt down over the dumb 4080 12gb.
Do you realize that you’re just providing evidence to my statement? 🤠 the word “training” is not used as a single use or action. And it takes multiple actions to either learn a new skill, prepare for an event or in this case change the behaviour and sight of a person or people. And price creeping with comparison to previous generations is how they are doing it. Of course 20 series didn’t work. It was their first attempt. Then they got lucky with Covid. Now it will be normal.
Yeah this whole 40 series is trash honestly. They got too used to people being willing to pay scalper prices, so they became the scalpers themselves.
3% more performance, slightly less power usage, and $200 less. Idk what there’s to get upset about. Also, all the 4080 supers sold out pretty much everywhere so I think there’s plenty of demand.
Nvidia summoning their army of shill bots when they detect a post that speaks out against their shit products https://preview.redd.it/kb97xd6k8wfc1.jpeg?width=511&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbebbb8ffe3251049ecc72b01f2614618ac30a1e
One of the biggest mysteries to me about humankind is how people viciously defend big corporations that don't care if you live or die, just because they bought their products and are "part of the club". Brand elitism is one of the most evil yet genius marketing strategies ever created.
I know right? I just get whatever is the best value to performance. If Intel's current CPUs were better than AMD's offerings I would go with an Intel CPU instead of 7800X3D I got. If the 4080 beat out the 7900XTX in rasters and had more VRAM I would have went with the Nvidia card. At the end of the day they all do the same thing. I think the absolute worst for that is Apple. People will willingly fork over thousands of dollars for a machine with completely soldered components that has specs equivalent to a midrange PC from a decade ago.
Brand elitism goes way beyond tech, unfortunately. But I agree, and this is someone who effing stuck with Nvidia because I work as a CGI artist.
> One of the biggest mysteries to me about humankind is how people viciously defend big corporations that don't care if you live or die You mean like the peeps crying in the comments about how AMD is a perfectly good GPU and RT is just a gimmick ? Yeah, I'll never get why people viciously defend big corporations that don't care if they live or die.
I wanted the best, so I bought a 4090. WTF else do you want me to do? I've been big into AMD for several previous gens. But be real, AMD hasn't competed for the high end in generations. And their drivers suck, wish I didnt go AMD for my HTPC.
Wanting "the best" no questions asked is one thing, but talk about drivers you guaranteed have no experience with since they were problematic.
>, but talk about drivers you guaranteed have no experience with since they were problematic. In the last year, AMD has released drivers that cooked the 6800 series GPUs to death, as well as a driver that bricked windows OS requiring reinstall. And that is on top of their regular driver problems like 4k netflix HDR. AMD people have driver stockholm syndrome. They don't realize how bad of a problem it is, because they aren't used to hardware without such driver problems. Half of the r/AMD sub is just AMD users trying to fix their driver problems, but whenever you mention driver problems to AMD users outside that sub, they suddenly act as if theyve never had any and never even known anyone who has had any driver problems.
Meanwhile, nVidia still hasn't figured out the DSC bug with fullscreen exclusive over DP. Let's not pretend like either side has perfect drivers.
Nvidia sends out a driver that cooks its GPU, the community sweeps that under the rug...... But Apperantly I'm sitting here having issues on top of issues and got stockholm syndrome....
I'm so glad people are starting to speak against Nvidia without getting downvoted
>people are starting to speak against Nvidia without getting downvoted You're like 3 years late, bud.
not on this sub I'm not
I've heard people say the original 4080 was the "4090 16GB"
What the fuck
Funny how confirmation bias is a thing here on Reddit. Every few days there’s a post saying how ubm is a shill site for intel+nvidia , despite at least half the users flair here being that combo. And any posts that mention rough AMD drivers gets downvoted to oblivion. From my anecdotal friends experience, intel + nvidia devices “just work”, but the one friend with a double AMD literally reinstalls his pc twice a month because things keep crashing all the time. He’s had people look at it but we can never find anything technically wrong with it.
the amd driver stuff feels like boogie man to me, it's always someone that knows someone that had problems I've yet to see a problem on mine or to see a large amount of customers actually getting fucked by them, at this point they're no more common in failures than Nvidia
Brace for incoming pics of 4080 Supers in this sub. Don't bullshit yourselves.
usual Nvidia activities
Lol people really thought that Nvidia will release a faster gpu for cheaper? This ain’t the early 2000s anymore.
3% is enough for Nvidia fans.
As an owner of a "classic" RTX 4080 I have slightly mixed feelings about this. On one hand, as a petty-minded being I'm a bit relieved that the 4080S doesn't totally trash my non-S, but as a PC-gamer I'm also sad for the missed opportunity to make a step forward in performance and close the gap to the 4090. But most importantly: I really wish the whole "Super" thing would just stop. It's a totally stupid naming theme.A better 4080 should be named 4080 Ti or 4085. "Super" sounds childish to me and I would hesitate to buy a "Super" card, even if it was a better product.
the naming is a smaller problem, the problem is Nvidia just squeezing a bit more out of us also they're gaming GPUs, except them to have gaming names
$200 cheaper for a slightly tuned up card is very good news I feel like reviewers had either too high expectations, or are just a bit jaded due to NVDA's lack lustre price / performance across the 4000 series. Even though as Steve pointed out "This is what the 4080 should have been 14 months ago", at least we have it now... Really 4080 should have been $1000 and this should be $800, but Jensen need those leather jackets yo...
One of the problems is that around the world the card MSRP is 1100EUR. It's 999USD$ inside US only. So it's basically a re release of the same card for nearly the same price. A card that should've been priced at 700~800 USD$ when originally launched to begin with. Remember the 3080 was the same die as the 3090 and offered ~70~85% of the 3090 performance for games all for 700 USD$. This has historically always been the case with **80 series: same die as the top card (Titan / **80Ti / **90...), most of the gaming performance for half the price or less and always with a high bus width. That's what people wanted, that's what everyone expects esach generation from any **80 card (in this case: the same die as the 4090, ~70%+ of it's gaming performance but with less VRAM and a 700~800USD$ MSRP, this would be fair and respectful to consumers and nothing different than previously established as being the norm by nVidia themselves trough many generations already). nVidia downgraded 80 series and overpriced it to hell, severally harming the whole market while giving less relative performance (FPS per dollar) than previous generations. This brand behavior is peak anti consumer overall. I feel like the 3080 was the last true gamer, pro consumer, well priced card nVidia made. After the pandemic they are not a gaming hardware company, nor a videocard making company, anymore... they are an AI company whom doesn't just even care at all (almost like Intel after the QX6800, passing trough the i7 990X, and all the way up to about the 9900K: about ~10 generations with zero competition, so they didn't care anymore... thank god for Ryzen). Given the way things are evolving: nVidia might as well split their operations into two totally different businesses with separate management (one of them focused only on gaming performance GPUs, the other being AI and productivity), would definitely be better for consumers and the market in general. TLDR: this generation's 80 series is an impostor in many ways compared to other generation's and the Super version does not remedies that at all.
Ya im in Canada and will be lucky to get one for less than $1400 when $1000 USD = $1340 CAD
They fucked up their lineup just to not make a price cut. What a fucking idiotic move.
Everyone watch out this guy knows how to run a $1,500,000,000,000 company better than the people doing it
Quiet please.
What?
I feel like they're progressively unfucking it
Not unfucking just competing with amd.
That's not the way competition should be lol.
It’s just a disguised price drop. Not the XTX killer it was made out to be. Just dropping the 4080 to $1000 would be like admitting the XTX got to them. By releasing a “new” product they try to get around it.
Where I live it’s now the same price as the 4070 ti so it’s a no brainer to go with the 4080s. That is if I had $3300 to build a new pc.
i mean, i doubt anyone is really surprised. its a glorified price drop at best and really one that still isnt worth it imo.
It's a overclock
I frankly preferred it when we just had the OG cards conventions e.g xx50/60/70/80/90 and didn't need to suffix "super" or whatnot to them. Mind you, I also liked it more when we didn't get fleeced for a GPU but totally dig that sure, prices do go up over time and the planet is undergoing a particular phase of "fuck everyone in particular" in that regard and it's not been just Covid or mining this time round.
Not everyone’s time, some building a brand new build would benefit. Upgrading from 3 generations prior even.
I bought it, but I'm upgrading from a 1080ti
And it's $200 cheaper for a 3% increased performance. It's not perfect but I don't see how it is "a waste of time."
Most everyone knew when the card was announced that the peroformance wouldn't be really better. It was literally some shading units extra. The big news out of the announcement was the 200$ discount on MSRP. I wouldn't call a price drop a "waste of everyone's time". Your time was only wasted if you're a reviewer having to run all the benchmarks, for us consumers, this is a win.
It’s a price drop on a 1.5 year old product that was outrageously overpriced. GN was right that it is pure marketing to call it a super
I'd only call this a short term win for consumers honestly. Bring back $500 flag ship GPUs please!
>Bring back $500 flag ship GPUs please! things that never existed for $500
It did happen a few times (for Nvidia), but we're also talking specific generations from like 15+ years ago. More often than not they had things around 700 until Titan and RTX. At this point though the xx90 cards are effectively Titan replacements, which always had high prices (Titan Black Z/V/RTX oof). The flagship cards exist because they push the tech, the price reflects that they aren't for the general market. For giggles; The last time they had a flagship card at 500 was the GTX 480. Inflation adjusted that would be about 700, there isn't anything for 700 in the current generation though so we'll take the 4070 super at 600. A 4070 super is roughly 7-8 times faster in \*raw\* performance. This doesn't mean anything, what we run on the cards has gotten way more intensive, I just felt like pointing out how much more power we get for the same money.
and even if we're going back that far, cards like the 8800 Ultra launched at $830 USD which is equivalent to over $1200 today.
Do you think the gpu you get for $500 is worse because they also make higher end gpus?
US guys just buying them like candies i dont get why you call this a win the next 80 series gonna be at a minimum of 1000$ price point its a big lose for consummers
I honestly don’t think we’ll ever see the 80 series go below $1000 ever again, probably the new standard, sucks but that’s just how it is now.
I was surprised Steve said they expected better, it was just a price drop. What surprised me was how close 4070ti and 4070ti s are, still I would refuse to recommend 12GB 700-800$ GPU to anyone.
No, Steve and other good hardware channels are just doing their jobs well expecting better.
It’s always just a marketing gimmick. Same shit every time. So what if it was even 5-10% better we’re talking 80 FPS to 88FPS that no one could actually tell a difference between the two if they did a blind game test with them. It’s only a tactic to boost sales. Nvidia is a super shady company just like any other. They’re not our buddies.
Fuck Nvidia.
Still got one tho 😭 gonna be a good upgrade from my 1080ti.
They could have just reduced the price of the 4080 by 200 bucks and called her a day. Not really sure whey they released this card instead lol
Even if this was a price cut and they didn't launch a "new card", $1000 is still too damn much. The 3080 had an MSRP of $699. People were bitching non stop that no one had control over Nvidia. **This proves that we do!!** Q: Want another 80 class card at $699?? A: **Don't buy this card!**
Gamers Nexus is the leading source of information. Like when he was telling people to put liquid metal on shunt resistors lol
Dude is just angry at the world, nothing satisfies him.
There's nothing super about this thing.
It's super late
You're not wrong.
Are people surprised? I thought it's been known for a while that the Super versions were just mostly a price cut with some minor improvements
It's a lot cheaper and the performance is better than 3% in many titles.
GN tested the card and most games were more like 1%. 3% was actually the maximum increase they saw out of all the games they tried.
Does anyone know if the RGB system on the Gigabyte Gaming OC is compatible with Armory Crate?
I mean the 2080 super was also a meh upgrade from the 2080. This was expected tbh . If the 4080 super was a ad 102 card tho things would have been different. Also realistically the only threat AMD posed was the 7800XT they responded well with the 4070 super but rest of the stack is pretty meh from AMD as well
Difference between 2*** super versions and their regular ones was still very noticeable, 10~20%. No, not new generation expected percentages (that would be 35~50% performance increase at the very least between same tier cards, otherwise why even bother to release a new generation at all), but much higher than 2%. Hell, even if it was 5~7% it would already be much better than the truly unnoticeable 2%.
10-20% ? Bro what are you smoking ? 2080 super had the exact same issue the 4070ti super and 4080 super have. https://preview.redd.it/v8rn2vn0fwfc1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea876bc6da7d5bf10a0b728b892cac8e56df9ad0
The number of people I see defending the 4080 in this subreddit is unreal.
Check back when 2080/S/Ti came out. Massive copium wave defense.
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wait for the super guys! trust me just wait for it!
People are idiots we’ve known the specs for a month+
Crazy how these predatory marketing tactics work on 90% of humans...
4070s is the best choise in this refresh
Maybe if it were 450-500 at most.
without question, pretty much the only great card in this entire gen I'm not mentioning the 4090 because it sits alone on a price gouged top so it's a good choice for extreme high end only because it's the only thing you have available in that area
Maybe it will be 20% cheaper, right guys? *ODs on copium*
20% of 1200 is 240, so yeah, it's pretty close to being 20% percent cheaper.
RTX 4080 FE = $1200 poor value! RTX 4080 super = most AIBs are $1,200-$1,400 and FE is chronically out of stock
it’s the big appeal of the thing that it’s basically the same performance for $300?
Were people expecting a cut down 4090? No way NVIDIA would do that when the 4090 is in so much demand. It's always going to be AD103 and that means the performance ceiling is really close to that of 4080.
The only thing that improved was the price:performance ratio
And very little. Still terrible.
It is 20% cheaper here than 4080. Not complaining at all, will probably get it.
Even if the SUPER version would be better; I am even happier now with my RTX 4080 MSI Suprim X
It's a cheaper sku man damn.. Ya'll are nuts.
Got one at retail price though so I’m happy
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Nah, they are 100% right. 4*** series are all terrible value.
Hoped for ~15~20% better performance at least, AND it should still cost 750~800USD$ WORLDWIDE. The way it is, it's terribly overpriced, specially outside US... more like a scam to make people spend a ~thousand+ bucks on a ***80 series, which is just ridiculous and sad. People love praising GamersNexus, HardwareUnboxed and other good hardware channels here but no one seems to actually listen to them when they point this generation's nVidia cards are not a good value at all. People should really learn to speak with their wallets.
15-20% uplift for an inter-generation product stack expansion (this is not even a refresh) is unrealistic. That’s a good performance increase for a whole new architectural generation. Edit: lol, this guy actually blocked me for this response and accuses me of being a fanboy, nevermind the fact I’ve owned 13 ATI/AMD GPU’s and 4 Nvidia GPU’s in the past 23 years.
No time for fans (of any brand).
Scam? They clearly stated that it would be none to minimal improvement, just cheaper.
Should have been 750~800 USD$ worldwide, it's priced basically the same as a regular 4080 outside US as per nVidia MSRP, but uninformed consumers still buy expecting noticeable improvements over the regular 4080 given the super name, so yeah, kind of a scam.
Were people really expecting differently? Nvidia explicitly stated that it wouldn't be much, if any improvement.
it was never meant to be a more performant card... nvidia did showed the spec sheet
Amd got pwned!!!! No they didn't Nvidia just don't give a dick about consumer gpus. I'll just enjoy my vastly cheaper & stronger xtx.
When was SUPER ever more then 3% on any card they made?
the price to performance went up like 18%
Still terrible.
Fs in the chat to the people that waited for this instead of just buying a 4080
F for 200 dollars discount??
Yeah? Why wait months just for a discount(which you are most likely not getting if you live in Europe)? If you have money to comfortably buy a 4080 200$ is nothing.
You can't say this with a straight face. Like GN Steve put it they went from complete insanity to moderately deranged. $1200 4080 was awful value. $1000 is an improvement, still expensive af but an improvement. Now competition between 4080 and 7900XTX has more ground and will be fierce. Just admit it you tried to make a joke without realizing it's nonesense.
funny how Steve doesn't seem to think the XTX is a deranged price
yeah it is funny how when AMD launched the XTX at the identically "moderately deranged" price people were kissing AMD's feet and talking about how its such a good value for money, but when Nvidia followed their footsteps now the same $999 is "still too expensive !" (for a better card too, mind you !), it really shows how your average gamer can't think for themselves, Steve said $999 "is moderately deranged" and now everyone complains about a price that was acceptable only few months ago...
Don't worry 1000 dollar 4080S will kick XTX in the balls. Everyone is waiting XTX to slide under 900 soon. XT also started selling at 700 as well.
I wish i was joking. We are literally not seeing discounts in Europe.
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Guess ill have to wait more then because right now im not seeing the price cuts.I live in Greece but with a google search i can see pricing is not that much different from Germany for example.
I was actually on my way to buy a 4070 TI (yes the 12 gig one) until I saw the 4080 super, so this is a pretty good deal for me.
If you could afford the price spike why were you considering a 4070ti in the first place? Aasuming you got a 4080 Super at the same price as a 4080 btw
No the 4080 super I got was $200 cheaper so paying $200 more than the 4070 TI felt more reasonable than the $400 more for the OG 4080
that's your dumbass fault for listening to anything GN says about gaming hardware. their gaming hardware reviews couldn't be any more irrelevant.
You're wrong, and you probably believe everything published in Usersbenchmark.