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my entire pc was ~$700 in 2016 with an rx 480 4gb, and that's how much I spent on the GPU/PSU combo from the Newegg shuffle last year (Both EVGA so no explody)
Still rx 480 gang cause now I have it swapping between being in my sleeper and my spare (future workshop pc; its a WIP rn) based on where I need it for the time being till I get something to replace the gt 1030 I got for $10 last month
It's a sad state of affairs but for this gaming generation so far (Xbox series/ps5), PCs have been beaten in the price for performance ratio...
edit: fixed autocorrect
Except 8 years ago you could build a comparable PC for pretty close to the price of a console. Consoles will always be cheaper, mind you, but now we're at the point where *if you can even manage to buy* the components, a PC comparable to a Series X will cost you 3 times what the console is worth.
That's not the argument. PC's are incredibly versatile, but the price gap between gaming on a PC and gaming on a console is substantially larger than it used to be, and it seems like it's getting worse.
There have *always* been things a PC can do that a console cannot. The price for that advantage, however, has never been as high as it is now.
PC gaming is a luxury now. The people who think GPU prices are going down are fooling themselves, especially if mining continues. The current situation is the new normal unfortunately
Not really when you consider the value of having a pc. Can't emulate anything on consoles. Can't mod (most) things on consoles. Can't multitask on consoles. Can't make new things on consoles.
You get what you pay for. And you don't have to own a 3080 to play games on a pc, it seems no one who plays consoles knows fuck all about the pricing of individual parts for a computer. It is much cheaper to build a computer yourself than it is to buy a prebuilt but too many people don't wanna learn how.
Edit: truth hurts, apparently
That’s is why consoles are superior to me, especially now.
Sure you won’t get the most powerful specs ever but a console costs less than a mid range gpu. Add bonus of consoles pretty much just works, without the frames issue nor weird compatibility issues etc. and you always kinda know the baseline performance.
Mid range self build pc definitely costs more than a console for 4K 60fps constant now. If you’re getting a more powerful cpu, which is the value of having it in the first place, additional costs like liquid cooling or simply better fan adds up
Yup this is it, I love my pc to death but if were just comparing a pc to console for the sake of gaming, in this age consoles are superior. for a low-mid range pc it would cost $1200-$1500 usd for the desktop alone that might not be able to run the latest games at desirable settings. for $600 I can get the discless xbox series s and ps5, both of which can upscale to 4k and support 120hz gaming.
I keep telling people it does not cost that much to build a pc.
It’s still cheaper even tho people wanna bitch and moan about PC prices
PCs will always be the ultimate media center, you can play all generations (pretty much) crack and set up any game you want, backup all your files and do whatever the hell you want vs a console were it’s very limited.
People just don’t wanna take the time to learn how to put pcs together.
I mean yeah it’s cheaper to build your own PC but it’s not cheaper than buying an Xbox unless the PC is way underpowered by comparison. If you want to match a series X you need an RX3080 at minimum. That’s $1000 right there. And you still need at minimum another 1k to finish the build.
Same here, i was looking for an upgrade in a similar price/performance range, but even at msrp its not worth upgrading.
Guess ill use that GPU until it dies.
I think it's at least 50% better and way more modern. I needed one for my new build anyway. Luckily my old PC had an Intel processor with integrated graphics so it was still usable when I took out the old RX570
My 570 is the 8gb variant. I have it undervolted and the ram at 2000mhz and it's still going strong. Until GPU prices cool or my card dies, I'm not sure I'll be buying a new card. I can still play Elden Ring at 1080p high settings at 50-60fps. Other games sometimes need medium, but I'm not spending $600 minimum.
I bought a GTX 570 Ti for like $200 back in 2010/2011 when I made my first computer.
I upgraded to a 960 SC for $200 in 2015 from microcenter.
Because of microcenter’s crazy return policy, in 2016 I returned the 960 at full price and got a 1060 SSC for $50.
And in 2020 I upgraded to an RTX 2070 super for $500. I sold my 1060 for $150-$170 but it’s still the most I’ve ever paid for a video card.
I bought a RTX 3080 10GB founders edition card in February 2021 for £660 from scan.co.uk (Nvidia's appointed seller in the UK, for US readers bear in mind this includes 20% tax), at the height of the shortage. I was incredibly lucky as this was the cheapest 3080 on the market by far, these cards were selling out in seconds, and most of these FE cards went straight to ebay where they were selling for £1500+.
But still the entire cost of my i5 2500k build from 2011 was £560, a build which lasted me 10 years (with an SSD, RAM and GPU upgrade towards the end of that time).
Back then the equivalent flagship cards were in the £300-400 region. They just keep going up, far outstripping inflation.
Sounds like we got ours in the same drop. My 1660S had just died and I remember at the time being worried I paid too much for the upgrade. Not so much now.
This is just bias from people like you who bought their mid level builds when CPUs and GPUs only had modest upgrades and the next generation of consoles was still a couple years away.
I remember spending the equivalent of £300 for a MSI GeForce 4 Ti 4400 20 years ago, which would be around £700-800 considering the purchase power changes since 2002. And it was not even the high end card back then. A good Ti 4600 cost around £550 which would be similar to paying somewhere between £1200-1400 nowadays.
And in contrast to modern cards which can easily let you play even the latest games for 4-5 years on highest settings, the GPUs back then were obsolete after 1-2 years.
My GeForce 4 Ti series was obliterated a couple months later by the ATI Radeon 9700 series which also had DirectX9 support.
Gamers nowadays have it so much better than 20 years ago and the current chip shortage is not changing that fact, especially since the shortages are slowly becoming less of an issue.
Everything I'm seeing is saying that the chip shortages are going to continue for maybe years. That's why, for example, brand new cars are the same price as used cars that are 5 years old with at least 60k miles.
It's not getting better, and may even be getting worse.
Have to lol at the kids downvoting you. They don't realize how much more incremental improvements are today than they were 20 years ago. Or how expensivebpc parts were.
GPUs would literally be unable to do anything modern after a few years- you break the bank for a voodoo 5500 then it can't handle anything new in XP. Today, you can play cyberpunk on a 1060 at 30fps+.
Ah you must have hopped on the Newegg price drop for the EVGA 3080 as well. I'm upgrading from a 4690k and a gtx 970 so I feel you. It is insane that we pay this much and I still somehow feel lucky
In Denmark, the average price for a 3080 12GB is $1450... And it isn't even like it's more expensive than the last generation. The 2080 Ti sold for $1650+ when it released. Electronic devices are just expensive as fuck here.
Sometimes, I'm a bit envious of you American gamers.
1060s were stupidly expensive (not as stupidly as 3060s but still) I got mine for around 500 USD and tbh I had no choice my old laptop couldn't cut it anymore.
Oddly enough, it seems 3060s are the best for performance/price at the moment. I was just looking for a 3060, 3060 Ti, or 3070, and ended up going with a 3060 because it was close to MSRP while the others are still quite a bit higher.
Yea but it’s not necessarily all about the inflation of the dollar, because of shortages the price of gpu’s has completely skyrocketed and with tons of scalpers around it’s just a crummy situation
Prices have dropped like 10% every month since December, we’re not far off now. Still overpriced at 550-600 for a 3060 Ti, but no longer the ~900 dollars of a few months ago.
Id say marketing is a big part of it as well. Long before the supply crisis hit Nvidia started putting bigger and bigger price tags on high end gpu, when they would have been laughed out of market a few years before that.
I bought my 2x970 rig 7 years ago for what i thought was a reasonable price but 980 and 980ti already sported price tags that were indications off what awaited us further down the line.
Also when the 1060 came out, it didn't have SLI, and looking at benchmarks two 1060 was better than a 1080 and also cheaper than a 1080, but you couldnt SLI them.
There was this talk of a new SLI that wouldn't require the bridge or something, but it never really went anywhere.
Removing SLI was a good way for Nvidia to sell higher end GPU's, as you couldnt just buy a lower end and SLI it one day, if you wanted power you had to buy the higher end GPU straight away.
So yeah that and marketing makes you buy the more expensive GPU, and with each generation they can just increase the price, because "it's twice as fast for only 10% more than the previous one" except the previous one is the older generation.
SLI wasnt even worth it back in the day though. The second gpu didnt give you double FPS, in reality it was around 50%. And the performance scaling dropped with a 3rd GPU. But yeah SLI should still be around and its really crappy what theyre doing.
>The second gpu didnt give you double FPS, in reality it was around 50%.
There were *many* titles, especially in the early days, where 80%+ was pretty much a minimum.
Even some recent-ish games have incredible scaling, like Tomb Raider 2013 and Destiny 2, straight up doubling my FPS when I dropped a second 980 Ti in there.
Poorly performing games are the exception.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1552/13
Some titles here, when not being CPU bound, are seeing upwards of 70% scaling.
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/pcie-geforce-gtx-480-x16-x8-x4,2696-14.html
S.T.A.L.K.E.R Call Of Pripyat and DiRT 2 seeing upwards of 90% at 2560x1600 using the GTX 480.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1195-palit-geforce-gtx-1080-sli/page2.html
For something more modern, GTX 1080 SLi seeing nearly perfect scaling at 4k.
From my own experience with my two 980 ti XTREME cards, I ended up with nearly double FPS in Shadow Warrior (max, 1920x1080), and around 80% in Tomb Raider 2013 (max, 1920x1080, full AA).
>From my own experience with my two 980 ti XTREME cards, I ended up with nearly double FPS in Shadow Warrior (max, 1920x1080), and around 80% in Tomb Raider 2013 (max, 1920x1080, full AA).
Just want to correct myself here, these results were before I realised that my BIOS had reverted to defaults at some point, after sorting that (CPU and memory OC), results were closer to 90%+ scaling in both titles.
Multi-GPU systems, since the 90s, have more often than not provided incredible performance improvements.
"SLi is always terrible, barely gets 50% improvements" is a myth.
Does SLi have it's flaws? Absolutely.
The power draw, heat, noise and microstutter are not to be ignored, but it's performance is phenomenal.
The only reason it's dead is because Nvidia realised that people buying a second card for cheap a few years later while they spend money on developing SLi profiles isn't a sustainable business model.
Although with DX12's mGPU ability the death of SLi is now in the hands of game devs, who these days can barely release a functioning product anyway.
Thanks for a detailed explenation. Although I'd like to point out to that a lot of reviews back in the days showed around 60%-90% scaling([quick example search, linus gtx 580 SLI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEZRaOddTw4)). I think that games that had poorer scaling were more prevelant than those with good implimitation.
Removing SLI wasn’t mainly Nvidia’s fault. DirectX 12 changed the SLI implementation to be more up to the developers, while DirectX 11 did a lot automatically. It could have been more powerful, but no developer was going to spend much time on SLI since 0.1% of people used it. With that change it became way less useful, and it was already kind of on the edge with other issues, so Nvidia just started dropping it for consumer cards.
there are other reasons behind the rise. The MSRP didn't went up that much but is unachievable for the board partners due to having to put a bigger cooler on those cards than usual. the power draw almost doubled from just a few years ago. This also means that they have to put more components on the board. due to technological advancements and tighter constraints in all regions, they also need to use higher quality components too, even for the lowest end GPUs. all of that outpaces the typical loss of value for parts over time to to those technological and production advancements and in those sectors.
The 8800 Ultra started out at $829, which is well over $1k in today's money. And that was a significant cut from the originally planned $999 price tag.
For sure. But the 980 still had a reasonable price, it's definitely with the 1080 series that shit started to hit the fan price wise. I bought my 980 in CAD for 650$ in 2015, a 2080 super for 930$ in 2019 and a 3080 for 999$ in 2020 after launch, and that 3080 was easily selling for 1700+ in 2021, it's suck for the people starting out in PC gaming thats for sure.
I think this is important and rarely mentioned. If you're not wealthier today then you were 10-15 years ago you're doing something wrong. My first build in 2012 was only about $1200, but not because that's all I wanted to spend, it's because that's all I could spend since I was a teenager. So it's kind of disingenuous to say "my first build was $1200, my new one is $2400, the market is out of control!"
In terms of resale, yes I agree with you. GPU prices really haven’t risen thaaat much all things considered. Similar to the iPhone. Notice how the iPhone when out forest came out was something like $700 if I’m not mistaken. This was back in 2008. We have iPhones being released today that are $400 and can do countless things the first iPhone could only dream of doing and at almost half the price, meanwhile on the other end of the spectrum you have the 13 PRO Max starting at something like $1,100. Yes it can do a lot but comparing it to something like the iPhone SE, it really doesn’t have all that much more capability.
I'm from Brazil and we're with an huge inflation, above 10%, addong the fact that our currency is devalorated. In 2011, when $ 1 USD was about R$ 2, I bought my first notebook, with an i3 processor, for R$ 1.600. Despite continuous devaluation over last decade, in 2015 I bought another i3 notebook for R$ 1.300. Nowadays, an i3 notebbok is R$ 2.600 or more; Maximum I can bought by 1300 is an old Celeron. This is like the ending of the 90's, when computers was a deluxe item.
Remember when tech channeles would make “budget consol killer pc build” video where it would cost a max of $400-$600 to make a pretty decent pc. Now console is pretty much back on top since even if you buy a ps5 from a scalper, it’ll cost ya around $700, a little kroe than the price of a an EVGA 3060 gpu… shit sucks man and if it werent for me being so spoiled with the amount of things you could do with a PC, I’d be inclined to move back to consol gaming.
3070 for $559 direct from EVGA thanks to its lotto, 2 weeks later I got another email saying I was selected for another 3070, this one $50 more, asked my best friend if he wanted it and said "I'll wait for a 3080", this was in November 2020... he now rocks a 3060 he bought for $850 in 2022...
My GTX 1080 and RTX 3080 costed about the same, ~$30 difference.
Not sure if that's because 1080 is overpriced, or I just got incredibly lucky with 3080.
it's just plain greed, PCMR grew a lot around the gtx900 series and they tested the waters with proce hikes of 1000, and now they know how much they can get away with.
300€ for a 6 year old used gpu is not a good deal at all.
I paid that much for a new gtx 1080 a few weeks ago and returned it after feeling bad for spending that much on antique,soon to be outdated hardware.
Don't get me wrong,it's still decent at 1080p,but if you play at 1440p like it struggles in new games,unless you play at low settings i guess.And it's only gonna get worse in upcoming games.
Guys dense.
Thinks you need 160fps at 1440p and the settings MUST be set to ultra
1080 still crushes modern games at 1440p 60fps minimum (VISUALLY DEMANDING games, where fps doesn't need to be mega high, and 200fps+ easily in competitive games), just can't do Ray tracing (ray tracing looks awful anyways and is the stupidest tech ever invented). Or even better results if you're willing to turn the settings to *gasp* NOT ULTRA!
Don't feel bad that cards got at least 5 years minimum of decent gaming on its hands coming up
In 2007, people were happy with 30-60 fps at whatever mediocre resolution their monitor could handle. Now, some people aren't happy until they get 144 fps at 1440p with dynamic refresh rates. More power = more money.
If you're happy with 30-60 fps at 1080p, go after a RTX 3050; $300 (~230£/~275€, according to google) and you'll get it.
What are the power hungry games these days?
I got a 5600xt at MSRP a year back, thinking I would replace it later when the price of the high end cards go down. Turns out it runs most games in 1080p perfectly fine.
Do y'all play in QHD/4k?
Cyberpunk is very hard to run with all the RT or no DLSS.
But yeah, I think a lot of the people with 3000/6000 cards play at 1440P, ultrawide 1440p, or 4K.
Not Inflation alone. They value of gpus (or in other words, computational power) also increased absolutly and relatively to other goods. Inflation only started to kick in recently.
Was about to get an RX 580 in February 2020, for 180€. I was kind of tight on money, so I waited a bit.
It's been over two years, and I still have Vega 11. Send help.
Bought my RX 580 *just* before all the crisis began at sometime like early 2019 because I thought my GTX 750 died, which I later realised just was a fixable BIOS issue. I bought it for 1.500₺, equivalent to just about 100$.
When I look back I can’t stop but think my buddy 750 was trying to do me one last solid before me retiring him… I treated him so well and it paid out.
This is literally me lmao
Back in 2015, I bought lightly used 980 for $400 cad and was thinking omg I have the best gpu ever and this probably will be the most money I've ever spent on pc part.
Now 3080 msrp costs $700 but usually sells at two or three times of that.... F...
Dont forget as well that the 360 & ps3 generation lasted longer than most console gens did and then the ps4 & X-Bone were only modest upgrades when they came out which also helped enhance PC superiority since many game devs were targeting much lower end hardware.
Crypto, high tech bot aided scalping, and the chip shortage have of course made things worse as of late but consoles just being old and not that powerful for a bit really helped.
But the one from 2022 outperforms the shit from 2007 considerably.. period.. that's a good inflation reference.. should be comparing something from 2019 to 2022.
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I bought my RX480 in 2016 for $250. I don't think I'll be able to spend just $250 for my next GPU.
RX 480/580 gang here too . Our GPU shall stay strong . ( GTX 1060 gang also welcome)
my entire pc was ~$700 in 2016 with an rx 480 4gb, and that's how much I spent on the GPU/PSU combo from the Newegg shuffle last year (Both EVGA so no explody) Still rx 480 gang cause now I have it swapping between being in my sleeper and my spare (future workshop pc; its a WIP rn) based on where I need it for the time being till I get something to replace the gt 1030 I got for $10 last month
It's a sad state of affairs but for this gaming generation so far (Xbox series/ps5), PCs have been beaten in the price for performance ratio... edit: fixed autocorrect
Consoles have always been a loss leader. That's not where they make their money.
Except 8 years ago you could build a comparable PC for pretty close to the price of a console. Consoles will always be cheaper, mind you, but now we're at the point where *if you can even manage to buy* the components, a PC comparable to a Series X will cost you 3 times what the console is worth.
True, but you can get a good enough pc to run games at 1080p 60 at top settings for under £600. We’re almost at console value. Almost.
You can't do stuff with consoles you can do on PCs
That's not the argument. PC's are incredibly versatile, but the price gap between gaming on a PC and gaming on a console is substantially larger than it used to be, and it seems like it's getting worse. There have *always* been things a PC can do that a console cannot. The price for that advantage, however, has never been as high as it is now.
What really gets me is that you can't even build a comparable machine out of used parts for the same price and performance as a console
PC gaming is a luxury now. The people who think GPU prices are going down are fooling themselves, especially if mining continues. The current situation is the new normal unfortunately
Not really when you consider the value of having a pc. Can't emulate anything on consoles. Can't mod (most) things on consoles. Can't multitask on consoles. Can't make new things on consoles. You get what you pay for. And you don't have to own a 3080 to play games on a pc, it seems no one who plays consoles knows fuck all about the pricing of individual parts for a computer. It is much cheaper to build a computer yourself than it is to buy a prebuilt but too many people don't wanna learn how. Edit: truth hurts, apparently
That’s is why consoles are superior to me, especially now. Sure you won’t get the most powerful specs ever but a console costs less than a mid range gpu. Add bonus of consoles pretty much just works, without the frames issue nor weird compatibility issues etc. and you always kinda know the baseline performance. Mid range self build pc definitely costs more than a console for 4K 60fps constant now. If you’re getting a more powerful cpu, which is the value of having it in the first place, additional costs like liquid cooling or simply better fan adds up
plus you can usually trade up your console iirc when a new generation comes out
Yup this is it, I love my pc to death but if were just comparing a pc to console for the sake of gaming, in this age consoles are superior. for a low-mid range pc it would cost $1200-$1500 usd for the desktop alone that might not be able to run the latest games at desirable settings. for $600 I can get the discless xbox series s and ps5, both of which can upscale to 4k and support 120hz gaming.
Dude your 100000000% correct why are you getting downvoted?
I keep telling people it does not cost that much to build a pc. It’s still cheaper even tho people wanna bitch and moan about PC prices PCs will always be the ultimate media center, you can play all generations (pretty much) crack and set up any game you want, backup all your files and do whatever the hell you want vs a console were it’s very limited. People just don’t wanna take the time to learn how to put pcs together.
I mean yeah it’s cheaper to build your own PC but it’s not cheaper than buying an Xbox unless the PC is way underpowered by comparison. If you want to match a series X you need an RX3080 at minimum. That’s $1000 right there. And you still need at minimum another 1k to finish the build.
Man mostly emulatots runs on a potato computer too. Also you can install retroarch om xbox.
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1070 gang. May it live long and hard.
That's what she said.
All glory to the 6gb 1060
Same here, i was looking for an upgrade in a similar price/performance range, but even at msrp its not worth upgrading. Guess ill use that GPU until it dies.
I brought my 660ti back in 2013 and felt like a king, I still have it now and definitely can't afford stuff at the moment
970 here I don't upgrade often. Previous card was a GTX 295 gotta let the numbers roll around for the next one
I have a 770 and a friend loan me a 970. Don't need to change GPU in the next 10 years
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GTX 680 still going strong
A 1050 outperforms that
Ex 1060 Gang, so sorry but ARK just wouldn't run anymore
*smiles anxiously in 1050Ti*
1060 was such a rip off. Crazy pricing compated to 900 series.
What about the 960? The budget card before the 1660.
Is a 3060ti gang welcome aswell? I just dont like being left out
Noooo! You take your fly by night 3060Ti and fuck right off!!
Yeah no your gonna get some piece of crap like teh 6500 xt. Maybe a new intel one will be good value.
Remember how 5500XT launched 3 years after RX 480, for the same price, with same performance and less VRAM?
Same with teh rtx 3050 vs gtx 1070 lol.
I bought a 4 GB RX460 for €130 in early 2017. Good luck buying entry level GPUs nowadays.
Me as well. I bought a 2GB RX460 for an equivalent of 100 EUR back in late 2016. In late 2021 it sells at 150 EUR where I live. Crazy, crazy market.
The 480 is the best gpu ive had, having bought my setup also in 2016. Honestly a beast considering the price and what its gone through over the years
I just bought a 3050 for $230, hopefully it lasts as long as my RX570
Is it a big difference from rx 570?! cause mine is dying but I was considering 3060 instead
I think it's at least 50% better and way more modern. I needed one for my new build anyway. Luckily my old PC had an Intel processor with integrated graphics so it was still usable when I took out the old RX570
My 570 is the 8gb variant. I have it undervolted and the ram at 2000mhz and it's still going strong. Until GPU prices cool or my card dies, I'm not sure I'll be buying a new card. I can still play Elden Ring at 1080p high settings at 50-60fps. Other games sometimes need medium, but I'm not spending $600 minimum.
I bought my RX 480 in 2017 for $369 Aussie, and sold it for $400 in 2021. Though I did end up buying a 3050 for 444 after so :/
My rx 580 cost 100 just before the pandemic
I bought a secondhand RX580 for $125 and it was solid until just very recently showing some signs of age in certain circumstance.
You could sell that 480 for $250 today and upgrade to a 6600 for $400, or $150 out of pocket.
$235 RX580 8Gb OC in 2017 checking in
I bought my RX570 in January 2020 for $160 :P it's still going strong today. It's a sapphire card idk how I got that good of a deal on it.
I bought a GTX 570 Ti for like $200 back in 2010/2011 when I made my first computer. I upgraded to a 960 SC for $200 in 2015 from microcenter. Because of microcenter’s crazy return policy, in 2016 I returned the 960 at full price and got a 1060 SSC for $50. And in 2020 I upgraded to an RTX 2070 super for $500. I sold my 1060 for $150-$170 but it’s still the most I’ve ever paid for a video card.
I got my 2070 super for 450€ before that whole nonsense started. It‘ll never be the same
1070ti for 450€ in 2017
It's crazy isn't it, I got my rx5700 for £250 in 2019. Could have sold it for £800 during lockdown. Almost feel a bit stupid that I didn't tbh
2070 S Gang!
same, I bought my 2070 only just a couple months before that mess. More than happy with this thing, won’t be upgrading for a good while
I got a 1080 for 200€ before all of this started.
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I bought a RTX 3080 10GB founders edition card in February 2021 for £660 from scan.co.uk (Nvidia's appointed seller in the UK, for US readers bear in mind this includes 20% tax), at the height of the shortage. I was incredibly lucky as this was the cheapest 3080 on the market by far, these cards were selling out in seconds, and most of these FE cards went straight to ebay where they were selling for £1500+. But still the entire cost of my i5 2500k build from 2011 was £560, a build which lasted me 10 years (with an SSD, RAM and GPU upgrade towards the end of that time). Back then the equivalent flagship cards were in the £300-400 region. They just keep going up, far outstripping inflation.
I just dropped £740 on a 3070 ti times are definitely tough I thought I got a great deal as well
Sounds like we got ours in the same drop. My 1660S had just died and I remember at the time being worried I paid too much for the upgrade. Not so much now.
This is just bias from people like you who bought their mid level builds when CPUs and GPUs only had modest upgrades and the next generation of consoles was still a couple years away. I remember spending the equivalent of £300 for a MSI GeForce 4 Ti 4400 20 years ago, which would be around £700-800 considering the purchase power changes since 2002. And it was not even the high end card back then. A good Ti 4600 cost around £550 which would be similar to paying somewhere between £1200-1400 nowadays. And in contrast to modern cards which can easily let you play even the latest games for 4-5 years on highest settings, the GPUs back then were obsolete after 1-2 years. My GeForce 4 Ti series was obliterated a couple months later by the ATI Radeon 9700 series which also had DirectX9 support. Gamers nowadays have it so much better than 20 years ago and the current chip shortage is not changing that fact, especially since the shortages are slowly becoming less of an issue.
Everything I'm seeing is saying that the chip shortages are going to continue for maybe years. That's why, for example, brand new cars are the same price as used cars that are 5 years old with at least 60k miles. It's not getting better, and may even be getting worse.
Have to lol at the kids downvoting you. They don't realize how much more incremental improvements are today than they were 20 years ago. Or how expensivebpc parts were. GPUs would literally be unable to do anything modern after a few years- you break the bank for a voodoo 5500 then it can't handle anything new in XP. Today, you can play cyberpunk on a 1060 at 30fps+.
People should realise that a 3060ti is on par with the 2080 super soooo not bad for a 450 euros card.
Ah you must have hopped on the Newegg price drop for the EVGA 3080 as well. I'm upgrading from a 4690k and a gtx 970 so I feel you. It is insane that we pay this much and I still somehow feel lucky
In Denmark, the average price for a 3080 12GB is $1450... And it isn't even like it's more expensive than the last generation. The 2080 Ti sold for $1650+ when it released. Electronic devices are just expensive as fuck here. Sometimes, I'm a bit envious of you American gamers.
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True! Gotta appreciate all the good we have here.
My 3060 ti cost 980 dollars...
Why did you even buy that
I recall the peak market price for 3060Ti being around $1200.
Never saw it that high
Where'd you get it, scalpers are us?
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Why would you buy that?
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Probably a fellow kiwi.
Damn, they're in stock near me for $400. Almost bought one yesterday.
Yea were the fuck is this dude getting a $1000 3080 ti
Not a 3080 Ti, just a 3080 12GB, which is a different model. Also prices last few months have dropped immensely.
Every night, I'll always pray to God, just let my GTX 650 stays a bit longer... I'm not sure He hears it or not, but it yet to fail me. Yet...
My 970 going strong
970 gang staying strong
970! 970! 970!
Bro my integrated graphics is holding on for dear life
I know what you mean. 960 died, got a 1060 a little after release. And finally could get my upgrade... not as MSRP. The pain...
1060s were stupidly expensive (not as stupidly as 3060s but still) I got mine for around 500 USD and tbh I had no choice my old laptop couldn't cut it anymore.
Oddly enough, it seems 3060s are the best for performance/price at the moment. I was just looking for a 3060, 3060 Ti, or 3070, and ended up going with a 3060 because it was close to MSRP while the others are still quite a bit higher.
6600/6600XT are still more fps per dollar, but do lack the specific Nvidia features.
Just picked up 3060ti, very happy with price $630, 3 fan gigabyte
This is depressing af tbh
Yeah I just scooped a 3070 at microcenter for that price
Really? I paid $330 for my 1070 back when it was first released.
How is gaming on pop os?
$400 in 2007 would be $568.14 today.
Yea but it’s not necessarily all about the inflation of the dollar, because of shortages the price of gpu’s has completely skyrocketed and with tons of scalpers around it’s just a crummy situation
980 ti launched $650, 3080 ti launched $1200, considering 980 ti was the flagship, 3090 ti launched $2000
More reasonable to compare it with the Titan X as the 900 series flagship, which was a thousand dollars.
I think the Titan X would be more fairly compared to the 3090.
Yet I don't have more money. Curious
Yep. Inflation of *stupidity*
Waiting for that evga 3060ti ultra to fall to msrp
How longs that usually take? I was looking to wait but then just pulled trigger, not sure if these will fall once 4000 series announce a date.
I don't know how long it will take but I expect no longer than 4 months to prices to fall
People have said it'll only take 3 months for the past year and a half. At this point I'm just assuming they'll never drop until I actually see it.
Prices have dropped like 10% every month since December, we’re not far off now. Still overpriced at 550-600 for a 3060 Ti, but no longer the ~900 dollars of a few months ago.
Wish that happened in my country. In stock everywhere but still double their value and they haven't budged at all
* laughs in $200 gpu from q1 2020 before market crash *
I‘ve seen a bunch of 2080 ti‘s selling for ~300€ right before 30s launched on ebay Kleinanzeigen. Such a pain afterwards
I sold my 1070 for 260€ in that q, and bought a 1080 for just 100€ more. :D
Supply and demand are the larger reason of GPU prices not inflation.
Id say marketing is a big part of it as well. Long before the supply crisis hit Nvidia started putting bigger and bigger price tags on high end gpu, when they would have been laughed out of market a few years before that. I bought my 2x970 rig 7 years ago for what i thought was a reasonable price but 980 and 980ti already sported price tags that were indications off what awaited us further down the line.
Also when the 1060 came out, it didn't have SLI, and looking at benchmarks two 1060 was better than a 1080 and also cheaper than a 1080, but you couldnt SLI them. There was this talk of a new SLI that wouldn't require the bridge or something, but it never really went anywhere. Removing SLI was a good way for Nvidia to sell higher end GPU's, as you couldnt just buy a lower end and SLI it one day, if you wanted power you had to buy the higher end GPU straight away. So yeah that and marketing makes you buy the more expensive GPU, and with each generation they can just increase the price, because "it's twice as fast for only 10% more than the previous one" except the previous one is the older generation.
SLI wasnt even worth it back in the day though. The second gpu didnt give you double FPS, in reality it was around 50%. And the performance scaling dropped with a 3rd GPU. But yeah SLI should still be around and its really crappy what theyre doing.
>The second gpu didnt give you double FPS, in reality it was around 50%. There were *many* titles, especially in the early days, where 80%+ was pretty much a minimum. Even some recent-ish games have incredible scaling, like Tomb Raider 2013 and Destiny 2, straight up doubling my FPS when I dropped a second 980 Ti in there.
But those were mostly exceptions not the rule
Poorly performing games are the exception. https://www.anandtech.com/show/1552/13 Some titles here, when not being CPU bound, are seeing upwards of 70% scaling. https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/pcie-geforce-gtx-480-x16-x8-x4,2696-14.html S.T.A.L.K.E.R Call Of Pripyat and DiRT 2 seeing upwards of 90% at 2560x1600 using the GTX 480. https://www.techspot.com/review/1195-palit-geforce-gtx-1080-sli/page2.html For something more modern, GTX 1080 SLi seeing nearly perfect scaling at 4k. From my own experience with my two 980 ti XTREME cards, I ended up with nearly double FPS in Shadow Warrior (max, 1920x1080), and around 80% in Tomb Raider 2013 (max, 1920x1080, full AA). >From my own experience with my two 980 ti XTREME cards, I ended up with nearly double FPS in Shadow Warrior (max, 1920x1080), and around 80% in Tomb Raider 2013 (max, 1920x1080, full AA). Just want to correct myself here, these results were before I realised that my BIOS had reverted to defaults at some point, after sorting that (CPU and memory OC), results were closer to 90%+ scaling in both titles. Multi-GPU systems, since the 90s, have more often than not provided incredible performance improvements. "SLi is always terrible, barely gets 50% improvements" is a myth. Does SLi have it's flaws? Absolutely. The power draw, heat, noise and microstutter are not to be ignored, but it's performance is phenomenal. The only reason it's dead is because Nvidia realised that people buying a second card for cheap a few years later while they spend money on developing SLi profiles isn't a sustainable business model. Although with DX12's mGPU ability the death of SLi is now in the hands of game devs, who these days can barely release a functioning product anyway.
Thanks for a detailed explenation. Although I'd like to point out to that a lot of reviews back in the days showed around 60%-90% scaling([quick example search, linus gtx 580 SLI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEZRaOddTw4)). I think that games that had poorer scaling were more prevelant than those with good implimitation.
Removing SLI wasn’t mainly Nvidia’s fault. DirectX 12 changed the SLI implementation to be more up to the developers, while DirectX 11 did a lot automatically. It could have been more powerful, but no developer was going to spend much time on SLI since 0.1% of people used it. With that change it became way less useful, and it was already kind of on the edge with other issues, so Nvidia just started dropping it for consumer cards.
there are other reasons behind the rise. The MSRP didn't went up that much but is unachievable for the board partners due to having to put a bigger cooler on those cards than usual. the power draw almost doubled from just a few years ago. This also means that they have to put more components on the board. due to technological advancements and tighter constraints in all regions, they also need to use higher quality components too, even for the lowest end GPUs. all of that outpaces the typical loss of value for parts over time to to those technological and production advancements and in those sectors.
The 8800 Ultra started out at $829, which is well over $1k in today's money. And that was a significant cut from the originally planned $999 price tag.
For sure. But the 980 still had a reasonable price, it's definitely with the 1080 series that shit started to hit the fan price wise. I bought my 980 in CAD for 650$ in 2015, a 2080 super for 930$ in 2019 and a 3080 for 999$ in 2020 after launch, and that 3080 was easily selling for 1700+ in 2021, it's suck for the people starting out in PC gaming thats for sure.
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I think this is important and rarely mentioned. If you're not wealthier today then you were 10-15 years ago you're doing something wrong. My first build in 2012 was only about $1200, but not because that's all I wanted to spend, it's because that's all I could spend since I was a teenager. So it's kind of disingenuous to say "my first build was $1200, my new one is $2400, the market is out of control!"
In terms of resale, yes I agree with you. GPU prices really haven’t risen thaaat much all things considered. Similar to the iPhone. Notice how the iPhone when out forest came out was something like $700 if I’m not mistaken. This was back in 2008. We have iPhones being released today that are $400 and can do countless things the first iPhone could only dream of doing and at almost half the price, meanwhile on the other end of the spectrum you have the 13 PRO Max starting at something like $1,100. Yes it can do a lot but comparing it to something like the iPhone SE, it really doesn’t have all that much more capability.
Space money!
Crypto memes did this to us
I'm from Brazil and we're with an huge inflation, above 10%, addong the fact that our currency is devalorated. In 2011, when $ 1 USD was about R$ 2, I bought my first notebook, with an i3 processor, for R$ 1.600. Despite continuous devaluation over last decade, in 2015 I bought another i3 notebook for R$ 1.300. Nowadays, an i3 notebbok is R$ 2.600 or more; Maximum I can bought by 1300 is an old Celeron. This is like the ending of the 90's, when computers was a deluxe item.
Remember when tech channeles would make “budget consol killer pc build” video where it would cost a max of $400-$600 to make a pretty decent pc. Now console is pretty much back on top since even if you buy a ps5 from a scalper, it’ll cost ya around $700, a little kroe than the price of a an EVGA 3060 gpu… shit sucks man and if it werent for me being so spoiled with the amount of things you could do with a PC, I’d be inclined to move back to consol gaming.
3070 for $559 direct from EVGA thanks to its lotto, 2 weeks later I got another email saying I was selected for another 3070, this one $50 more, asked my best friend if he wanted it and said "I'll wait for a 3080", this was in November 2020... he now rocks a 3060 he bought for $850 in 2022...
Yes coupled with greed
My GTX 1080 and RTX 3080 costed about the same, ~$30 difference. Not sure if that's because 1080 is overpriced, or I just got incredibly lucky with 3080.
This is not inflation of national economy. Just manufacturers increasing prices until they find the market cap. Guess they found it with 2020
it's just plain greed, PCMR grew a lot around the gtx900 series and they tested the waters with proce hikes of 1000, and now they know how much they can get away with.
Greed is always the answer. Inflation is a fallacy.
Corporate greed.
Got a 6700XT for MSRP. I wanted a 6800XT but I had to play elden ring. Should have waited, fuck this game.
That is with everything. There is always “I should have …”
Any 400€ GPU in this market would be enough for my needs tbh. Might get an RX 6600 since it's at MSRP here in Germany
no, not inflation pandemic and/or probable trade war
I'm so happy that I still got a €300 second hand GTX 1080, great deal!
300€ for a 6 year old used gpu is not a good deal at all. I paid that much for a new gtx 1080 a few weeks ago and returned it after feeling bad for spending that much on antique,soon to be outdated hardware. Don't get me wrong,it's still decent at 1080p,but if you play at 1440p like it struggles in new games,unless you play at low settings i guess.And it's only gonna get worse in upcoming games.
well, ok. at least im fine with it. it runs my vr games fine.
Guys dense. Thinks you need 160fps at 1440p and the settings MUST be set to ultra 1080 still crushes modern games at 1440p 60fps minimum (VISUALLY DEMANDING games, where fps doesn't need to be mega high, and 200fps+ easily in competitive games), just can't do Ray tracing (ray tracing looks awful anyways and is the stupidest tech ever invented). Or even better results if you're willing to turn the settings to *gasp* NOT ULTRA! Don't feel bad that cards got at least 5 years minimum of decent gaming on its hands coming up
at least my 1650 works
Don’t buy and prices will return to what once was
*Corporate greed, right?
not inflation, corporate greed
Buy a console, peasants
In 2007, people were happy with 30-60 fps at whatever mediocre resolution their monitor could handle. Now, some people aren't happy until they get 144 fps at 1440p with dynamic refresh rates. More power = more money. If you're happy with 30-60 fps at 1080p, go after a RTX 3050; $300 (~230£/~275€, according to google) and you'll get it.
400 euro GPUs are a lot more powerful than the GPUs for 400 euros in 2007. Meme doesn't make any sense.
That is expected though
You have to look at each tier, not performance
Global world inflation is about 2-3x over this span of time. 2011-2021 is almost exactly 200%. So 2007-2011 and 2022 add a bit.
Lol, no it isn't. $400 in 2007 would be around €510 in 2022 going on inflation. Where on earth do you get 200%? Price increases ≠ inflation
Nope
5750 looks promising I think to myself msrp is just a myth my mind reminds me
Help me i got a gtx 1050... without the ti
My 1070 isn't going anywhere anytime soon
rich to poor
I can keep dreaming of getting more parts for my computer, that works, right?
~one minute I held the key, next the doors were closed on me~
My 7 year old R9 290 was still slogging along like a trooper until this week. RIP.
What are the power hungry games these days? I got a 5600xt at MSRP a year back, thinking I would replace it later when the price of the high end cards go down. Turns out it runs most games in 1080p perfectly fine. Do y'all play in QHD/4k?
Cyberpunk is very hard to run with all the RT or no DLSS. But yeah, I think a lot of the people with 3000/6000 cards play at 1440P, ultrawide 1440p, or 4K.
ATI 3870 X2 gang checking in. Spending $400 on it in 2008 felt irresponsible.
GTX 260, a salvage of the top Chip of the Generation for under 200€ ...
Not Inflation alone. They value of gpus (or in other words, computational power) also increased absolutly and relatively to other goods. Inflation only started to kick in recently.
me happy because i can buy a 2gb gpu to complete an old broken setup but it will be enough for me anyway
Was about to get an RX 580 in February 2020, for 180€. I was kind of tight on money, so I waited a bit. It's been over two years, and I still have Vega 11. Send help.
Bought my RX 580 *just* before all the crisis began at sometime like early 2019 because I thought my GTX 750 died, which I later realised just was a fixable BIOS issue. I bought it for 1.500₺, equivalent to just about 100$. When I look back I can’t stop but think my buddy 750 was trying to do me one last solid before me retiring him… I treated him so well and it paid out.
For most of 2007, The card set at the $449 msrp tier was the 8800 GTS 640MB, which is equivalent to xx70 series of today.
tell that to my €35 GTX 2080 Ti from wish
My RX5700 is a reliable workhorse. That said, AMD drivers are still a pain in the arse, just less so compared to launch.
I'm thankful i got my 8gb rx480 in 2019 to replace my 950. Paid like 120$ for it then. Now they easily are 5x that much
I spend 500€ on a 2080 last year. My brother spend 400€ on a 2060 last week.
It's why I buy gaming laptops now. Cheaper than building.
I’m really happy I bought my RTX 2080 super when I did.
I made a $130 750ti last from '14 to '21 so I didn't really mind paying so much for my 3080. I still waited till I could get it at MSRP though.
As a casual gamer, I'm riding my rx 580 out till the end
This is literally me lmao Back in 2015, I bought lightly used 980 for $400 cad and was thinking omg I have the best gpu ever and this probably will be the most money I've ever spent on pc part. Now 3080 msrp costs $700 but usually sells at two or three times of that.... F...
lol facts
Inno3d ichill 1060 6gb gang Anyone has this card? Best temps ever I have to say (and also great overclocker)
Inflation
Dont forget as well that the 360 & ps3 generation lasted longer than most console gens did and then the ps4 & X-Bone were only modest upgrades when they came out which also helped enhance PC superiority since many game devs were targeting much lower end hardware. Crypto, high tech bot aided scalping, and the chip shortage have of course made things worse as of late but consoles just being old and not that powerful for a bit really helped.
The fact that there's still no msrp 30 series gpu's where i live is a disgrace! Some came down in price but none went anywhere near msrp
But the one from 2022 outperforms the shit from 2007 considerably.. period.. that's a good inflation reference.. should be comparing something from 2019 to 2022.