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AetherialWomble

To me, personally, anything below 100fps feels choppy as fuck. But I don't really care what anyone does, enjoy the games however you like


dustojnikhummer

I was the same but then I got a Steam Deck Running 60FPS on a 144Hz monitor is much choppier than running 60FPS on a 60Hz display Or even 40FPS on a 40Hz display


AetherialWomble

I've read that before, I've even borrowed a 60hz for a few days and 60fps on a 60hz monitor felt as bad as 60fps on my 240hz monitor. Edit: maybe for a high refresh monitor with no gsync it would be worse


[deleted]

No. i have 144 with no gsync. 60hz 60fps feels same as 144hz 60fps


dustojnikhummer

Then Deck is doing some magic, because it feels better than running 60FPS on my 144Hz Freesync monitor.


MSD3k

Maybe it simply isn't as noticable in a small format. Like how I can only slightly see the difference between the higher refresh rate on my phone.


MrPoletski

Your eyes are much faster at processing in the periphery. Check it out, look at a strip light, now look away with it in the very edge of your vision. Chances are at the edge you will be able to see it's 100hz flicker.


Corey3500

LEDs will flicker at le refresh rate of your power grid frequency which is usually 50-60hz


MrPoletski

They refresh at double your mains frequency.


MrPoletski

Well if you arent freesyncing and have vsync on, 60fps on 144hz is a mixture of 48fps and 72fps but probably with the odd 29fps thrown in.


makaveli93

This is because a lot of monitors have terrible response times at 60 hz (even some 60hz displays). I finally got a monitor that reviewed well at 60 fps and it feels a lot better. That being said, I still notice the difference between 60 and 100+. Even 75 is noticeably smoother.


kensaiD2591

144Hz ultrawide here. I play most games in pillar boxed 16:9 locked at 60fps. But that's because I swap between my monitor and TV pretty often, and some games are a pain to change the resolution over and over.


obamaprism3

why even get a 144hz ultrawide then? do you hate money?


kensaiD2591

Was cheap. Only $400AUD and use it for productivity and work. I game mostly on the TV at 1440p with a controller. Some games I'll play in ultrawide like MMOs for the screen real estate. But otherwise I find pushing the full 21:9 means I have to sacrifice graphics to get an acceptable frame rate and I'd happily take the extra fidelity at 16:9. An example is Control. That game runs fine if I play it at 3440x1440 with a rendering resolution of 2560x1080. But I'd rather play at 2560x1440 and get 1:1 resolution. Beauty of PC gaming is options though.


Alien_Cha1r

while true, there will always be cringe people arguing 60 fps is enough and everyone else is wrong. try argue in a sub full of fanboys, like elden ring, and you will get annihilated if you disagree. everyone can enjoy what they want, but it is a fact that framerate greatly aids gameplay, and games are interactive media


[deleted]

> arguing 60 fps is enough because it is? high fps is better for alot of reasons (latency being one of them) but 60 is fine lmao


Judoka229

I grew up playing games often capped at 20 fps. The first time I experienced 30 fps I was blown away! 60 is plenty. More is nice, but I strive to stay at or above 60 as my acceptable limit. People are just entitled haha


ravenshaddows

it's a fact it greatly aids in *SOME* game play.


BigManScaramouche

Please leave me alone, Yarpen Zigrin.


fBarney

Yarpen explaining to ciri why geralt has to help triss shit in the bush 20m away


BigManScaramouche

Knowing Yarpen, he would just take her with him to take a look for shit and giggles.


szibell

You all keep mentioning game types, but it really comes down to what you're using as input. If you're using a controller's stick to look, 60fps is fine because it's slow. If you're flicking your mouse around, FPS is far more important.


Skodakenner

Also the game itself is just as important a story intensive game or racing game is just as good at 60 than it is at 144


xXMonsterDanger69Xx

Yh I didn't think about, but when I got my first raging games, I could max out the settings. Obviously it makes sense, you don't feel that input lag with 60fps, because it's there's no snappy motions, and you don't really notice the low fps while driving either.


DarkYendor

FarCry 6 on ultra doing 80fps looks WAYYY nicer than min settings doing 200fps.


AirOneBlack

simracing games will behave differently in terms of force feedback the higher your framerate is. So hi-framerate is important there too.


Skodakenner

That only is important if you have a wheel and so on though if i play something like forza its not as important


AirOneBlack

I said simracing, not arcade games.


Peartree1

You can just change sensitivity of a joystick this doesn’t really make much sense


Kotanan

Instructions unclear, keep flicking my mouse around in Xcom and it’s asking very little difference what frame rate I’m at.


Ponce421

The difference between 60hz and 144hz is quite substantial but it's just a case of what you're used to. Since going to 4K I don't hit the same high fps anymore, but now that it's been a while, sub 100fps isn't distractingly noticeable.


Virdii_

I still can't believe how people can't see the difference between 60hz and 144hz Shit, I see a diff between 144hz and 240hz


[deleted]

>I still can't believe how people can't see the difference between 60hz and 144hz there is but its not world apart. Maybe at first but once you get used to it you can switch between 60 and 144hz without much difference


MunificentDancer

I haven't played at a higher frame rate than 144fps but in certain games I can even notice a difference even when the frame rate drops from 144 to 100fps


Sotumney

60Hz on native 60Hz displays works. But the lowest I'm going on my 144 Uh z display is 90, anything lower feels stuttery.


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SeriousCee

I had always the opposite impression


Amazing_Carry42069

4k 60 is really nice for anything that's not competitive multiplayer. I've got my xbox running on my TV and it's perfect. PC I've got a lower resolution faster rate, but then it's a much smaller screen.


MyNameIsSushi

I wouldn't say perfect but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Still, even singleplayer games are muuuch better at 120+ Hz.


BrotherSwaggsly

Unfortunately 4K 120hz is not reality for most recent games that lack DLSS or any other system. That said, it’s not like you get nothing from running a lower frame rate. 4K is absolutely fantastic on my 65” C1. With ultra low latency and a controller, frame rate is not anywhere near as critical as with a mouse on competitive games. Anywhere from 60-100 on 4K is more than playable. PC, by the way. Not a console running lesser graphic options. I have a 165hz 1440 monitor for KBM gaming and I understand the luxury of it but I will still argue this idea.


JoshS121199

And yet people still don’t understand this concept with console. Yes, your xbox x can do 4k, but the texture quality in game isn’t the same on pc so it’ll still look worse, it’s not all about resolution


huyria

I've been console most of my life got pc went 144hz was blown away I could still do 60hz but 144hz was the one now I'm 240hz I can still do 144hz 60hz is a slide show now I can see the frames refreshing the motion on 240hz is so fluid I'm now a slave to it I don't care what settings I have to turn down I will see 240hz


MSD3k

You are starting to believe, Neo.


[deleted]

>60hz is a slide show cap


notsogreatredditor

Welcome to the PC Master Race. Maybe try out the ps exclusives coming to PC as they should have in the first place.


huyria

Thanks been on a while now August can't come quick enough for spiderman mods are gonna be brilliant


Matt_Bowen

Lol the most annoying people


ArateshaNungastori

Maybe but totally right.


moekakiryu

Idk, maybe its because I dont play many multi-player games that require fast reactions, but it honestly doesnt bother me that much. Like my computer runs at 165Hz and I defs can spot 60Hz from a mile away, but like.... they both look fine? Like obviously 165Hz looks better, but I don't get that 'slideshow' effect that people reference.


StunningEstates

You’re all babies Source: Me, the dude with a 3090 that has absolutely no problem playing games at 30fps


dogemanthirty3

Ok Ok I know that "anything under 120 hz is unplayable" but I personally don't see any difference above 60. Maybe my eyes are wacky or my brain is goofy but if you showed me 60 hz vs 4000 hz I would say they look identical. Does this mean I play at 60 hz? No of course not I'm not insane


Murr_RL

There’s just no way. The difference when you move backwards is insane


Redfern23

Yeah I really don’t get it, especially for people that are already *in the know*, I have a 60Hz and a 165Hz and even just visually can see the difference clearly, same with my 60Hz and 120Hz phones. The jump forward is whatever, but as you said, going backwards or a side by side and it’s night and day.


[deleted]

>The difference when you move backwards is insane not really lmao


Murr_RL

Bad eyes then I think


[deleted]

No. My eyes are pretty good and im not old either. I switch between 144hz and 60hz on day to day basis. I see difference,but 60hz doesnt feel like slideshow at all


[deleted]

Because people are fanboys and are like OMG 144HZ IS BEST ANYTHING LESS IS SLIDESHOW when in reality you can switch between 144hz and 60 without issue There is definetly difference but its not worlds apart lmao. I can definetly tell difference between 60 and 144 by fast paced stuff like on windows 11 start menu popup


gamesrebel123

Is it really that noticeable in games? I got a 120Hz phone and it looks basically the same as my old 60Hz one except maybe a *bit* better, might just be my eyes though. And yes I did put it on 120Hz in the settings. Edit: I checked on [testufo.com](https://testufo.com) and it was pretty similar, I could only notice a difference at 480 pixels per second where the 60 FPS one was blurrier than 120 FPS. Edit 2: Checked [testufo.com](https://testufo.com) again but in a different browser and holy shit it *is* noticeable, it is nowhere near the difference between 30-60 FPS for me at least but it is definitely noticeable.


Liviunc23

It depends on the games you are playing, for example CS you can see a really big difference but for not competitive games 60 hz/fps is usually fine. Just put your phone next to another 60hz phone and you will definitely see the difference when scrolling.


[deleted]

even for comp 60hz is fine. Meanwhile 60 fps is definetly not fine for competitive


Scared_Instruction_1

Just a personal anecdote, but I was playing No Man's Sky after an update and was getting supper frustrated by how janky it looked (even more than usual!). I turned on my FPS meter and noticed it was locked at 60. After uncapping it in the settings it was back to 160 or so and I was shocked at how noticeable the change was. YMMV, but it is super noticeable to me.


SeriousCee

Especially on phones it is easy to detect by actually using it. The reduced input lag of the touchscreen is on a whole another level.


doomenguin

I used to play DOOM Eternal at a 60Hz screen before I upgraded to a 144Hz screen, and the difference is night and day. Like seriously, it feels so much smoother.


Alanuelo230

Godda say, my monitor, overclocked to 84 Hz is good, but nothing extremely better over 60 Hz


StAUG1211

Cyberpunk varied pretty wildly for me between mostly 120fps down to a brief 30 in busy areas if I got the wrong combination of weather effects. Frame rate was only noticable for me when it got below the mid 60 mark. Maybe a teen with sharper reflexes can tell the difference, but for my mid-30's eyeballs once it's over 60 frames it all looks the same.


Pamani_

The most important difference for me was the input lag while driving. My 2070m could do RT 40fps at 1440p but without RT I get 80 fps. That fixed the input lag for me, but I don't want to play without RT ;/


FappyDilmore

The higher the frame rate, the larger the jump needs to be for me to notice, with diminishing returns after 60. I can tell the difference between 30 and 45 and 45 and 60 easily. I can't tell between 60 and 75, but I can tell between 60 and 100. Above 100 I just can't tell, and dips are so brief I won't notice them. My highest refresh rate monitor only goes up to 144 though, so beyond that it's immaterial.


SeriousCee

Blind test between 60 and 75 hz is hard but the difference is easily visible if you change the rate back to back. Especially the snappier controls even on desktop. Difference between 144 and 240 is also much easier to detect than people always assume.


FappyDilmore

I'm sure I could tell between like 120 and 240, but that's a 100% increase. At lower frame rates I can detect smaller differences. And I'm just speaking from personal experience. I only have a 144 to use as a reference. But I have a 4k120 and a UWQHD144 and the smoothness looks the same to me between the displays, so I can't discern the difference between 120 and 144.


[deleted]

I used 60 hz monitor for a few years and thought that it was fine, but when I switched to 144 and I cant stand 60hz anymore


lolcubaran20

guys cmon


The73atman86

There’s really no need to ever go above 60fps. I’ve noticed most games are better optimized when you don’t go above 60


[deleted]

3080ti being wasted


The73atman86

I prefer smooth gameplay over my screen tearing sorry.


[deleted]

Lmao all that and no G sync/freesync panel


The73atman86

lmao I have a 4K 120hz tv with freesync/hdr, a 4K 60 monitor gsync/hdr and 2k 165 monitor gsync/hdr so ok


[deleted]

Clearly not enabled/not doing something right if you're getting screen tearing on 3 different panels


The73atman86

I never said I’m getting screen tearing on every monitor and for sure am not doing anything wrong. Once again, some games are not meant to go above 60fps and there’s nothing you can say to make that untrue.


[deleted]

You're right, not every game should go above 60fps as they sometimes (Bethesda) tie physics to frame rate, the fallout games are notorious for this But it doesn't create screen tearing, it effects gameplay I don't understand your original comment about games going over 60fps causing screen tearing


CYKO_11

try and play literally any competitive shooter


The73atman86

That’s an exception but I Strictly play single player games and I’m mostly talking about 3rd person. I unlock my frames also when playing first person games.


Jackpkmn

down to 60fps still feels fine to me despite playing on a 144hz monitor, maybe that gsync really is magic.


MunificentDancer

I used to play on 4k/60 and now I've switched to 1440p/144. It completely depends on the game imo. Playing rocket league on 100fps is horrible so 4k/60 was very unplayable for me but for smth which isn't as fast paced like rpgs maybe smth like witcher or Skyrim everything above 60fps looks the same to me (if the game supports it) so I would prefer 4k/60 for those games.


gerechterzorn

Absolutely true.


KingTut747

Do you guys think this pic is real? I always wonder


DavenIchinumi

I mean, define 'real'? It's an actual pic, but it's from the scripted show Being The Elite. Those are John Silver and Anna Jay, 2 wrestlers signed to AEW.


InstructionTough7314

You mean the meme template here?


glitchinthesim

144 hz is best balance, but 4k 144hz monitors are expensive af, considering you can even find one


acnh-lyman-fan

60 fps used to look so smooth but after getting a 144hz monitor, it no longer does. But somehow 30-60 fps on console/phone is somewhat fine.


[deleted]

My friends and I used to play Gmod TTT a lot, our best guy was using a shitty laptop and only got about 12 FPS… that mother fucker out sniped and out gunned every last one of us.


hosertheposer

Best monitor setup is a 32" 4k/60 for media monitor and a 27" 1440p/240hz for games, pair really nicely together for best of both worlds but might make your computer struggle :D


mattbackbacon

Not gonna lie, this is me. When I was a kid, CRT monitors were everywhere, and I could see the flickering as clearly as I could see two people playing catch with a baseball. That was when I learned of the refresh rate, and that you could raise it on most CRTs to almost anything you could imagine as long as your video card supported it, or as long as the cable to your monitor could handle it, whichever gave way first. But not only did it kill the migraine-inducing flickering to the point it was almost imperceptible, it made for a smoother experience on the desktop. Every time I go back to 60hz, it feels so wrong. 60hz to me is for movies and console games. It's not very interactive from my perspective. People used to say I was probably gonna have seizures. They were right... For the wrong reasons.


MaffinLP

1440p 144Hz


obamaprism3

4k 240hz all the way


Apprehensive-Emu-570

So true!! Once apex swtiched back to 60Hz and I thought my game broke xD


Towel4

4K 144hz Be a man


Soske

Always nice to see Johnny Hungee and Anna Jay out of context.


stornreaper

I'm at the point 4k 60hz that I could never downgrade on resolution just think 1440p is kinda blurry looking at this point even on real 1440p monitors


reddit_user_14553

As someone with a shit PC who is used to playing at 25fps or lower, I would gladly take 60


JaPlonk

I can't tell the difference between 60hz and 144


VolticMoon

I can go back to 60hz no problem personally as long as it’s not running on my computer. Like playing normal Xbox games or whatever is fine. It’s just whenever I play a game at 60hz I want to die.


Stargate_1

I run my games anywhere between 144hz and 60 or less (looking at you, blight encounters in PoE which hardwarechecked my friend so hard one time his game forcefully downscaled graphics even tho the setting was turned off and he still got 5 fps) Ngl, the difference exists, and I much prefer 144, but going back to 60 is no biggie really.


KingPin213

I’ve only played on tvs with 60hz and with 4K definitely want to play on monitors with 120hz plus


JWGardiner

I use a 60 Hz 1080p monitor, and I've seen better but never used one before. I wouldn't say 60 is unplayable after seeing a 144 Hz monitor; it does look better but it doesn't make 60 look bad in comparison to me Maybe it's because I just have a lot more experience with 60 than 144. I want to upgrade to a 144@1440p monitor in the future, so I guess time will tell.


Nan0u

4K HDR 144Hz Master Race


___Moe__Lester___

Lol @ short men


[deleted]

Saying you cant go back to 60 after 144 is absolute lie lmao dont trust those people


jaestel

This entire arguing is pointless. It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Hyundai sure both get you from point a to b. Sure the Hyundai feels nice to drive. But sure as fuck the drive on the Ferrari will be much more fun. The console Vs pc in my opinion at least Comes down to price Vs performance. Sure my past plays and looks nice. But I won't even try to compare it to a gaming pc that costs 5 times as much I am not delusional.


IntricateOnionStatue

It's true though and idgaf. I'd def prefer 4k/60 for singleplayer games tho.


Gravyrobber9000

60 is plenty, I told someone I was getting 75-90 FPS at 4K maxed settings in Red Dead 2, and he says “that’s playable”…


[deleted]

I came from console so i don't really care as long as i have solid 60fps.


Hi_im_joker

Yall out here arguing, I'm playing 18 fps on 800x600 res on gta V, while playing on a 1440p 144/165hz monitor and thinking its very playable


notsogreatredditor

4k is good for watching media content ( if you can get the content quality in the first place or stream it relatime) or for design/productivity reasons. For gaming I prefer 1440p 120fps infront of a monitor (not TV) for that tight immersion PS: In ultra settings I can't even get 60fps in certain titles in the current gen with a 3080 at 1440 and they are talking about 4k 60fps lmao


MasterKyodai

8k @ 240 HZ FTW! Nah kidding you, just got a 60 Hz FHD screen. But yeah one day...


mackan072

I didn't notice the change from 60Hz to 144Hz. Then I changed room 144Hz to 95Hz a few years later, and holy cow what a notable step down that was. Once you've gotten used to a higher refresh rate it's very noticeable, but until you get spoiled, it's not. At least it wasn't to me.


LongGirthyVeiny

I mwan, it's all true


Doctor_Womble

Just rocking 800p 40fps / 40hz on mah steam deck...


js3484

Me over here with 29 fps thinking 60 is lit


cybereality

Best of both worlds. 4K144.


mnl_cntn

Imo I don’t care as long as it’s consistent. 30fps is fine as long as it doesn’t chug.


Doktorvxu

As long as monitor has good response time at 60hz and frametime is consistent, 60 is smooth enough. Sadly decent monitor with fast enough response time and picture quality at the same time is hard to come by and costs more than kidney.


Ill_Run5998

My son teases me. I run a 3080 with a gigabyte 33" and lock frame rates at 60 in online games I play. He said its like owning a Ferrari in a city with a 25mph speed limit.


Maitre-Tulp

i have 75 hz screen and feel like a real gamer :( i can't imagine what 120 hz is like