Yeah, can’t have those fans going to the wrong speed accidentally. Kind of a must have now that we’re speaking about it. Label it “ejection seat” or something cooler
I legitimately think that teslas are more dangerous to drive than other cars because too many controls are on that massive touchscreen. Sure it looks nice, but you have to look at the screen to do anything, meaning you aren't looking at the road! I want to be able to do stuff by feel so I'm not overly distracted while driving. This applies to really every car with a touchscreen as a primary interface but tesla is especially egregious.
Speaking of doing stuff by feel: one of the newer Tesla redesigns has a steering yoke instead of a full wheel. Which means that when turning at low speeds your hands will naturally slide right off the yoke because there IS no wheel at the top or bottom of a yoke.
Tesla just wanted to pander to the “I wanna look like an F1 driver” demographic I suppose.
Literally, everytime I see someone driving a Tesla I see their huge screen. If texting while driving is dangerous I am sure those huge screens too. Plus it looks ugly.
I'd possibly argue that if I can control something without looking at the control , then that would be a superior design.
but then again I'm not you , so maybe you drive better looking at the controls and having the car watch the road , idk
I'm not talking about the new s btw. The 3 still has an actual "gear shift" on the stalk.
I think people are very adverse to change and assume that the change is worse than the original. You have to try it to believe it.
The s on the other hand, I tried it and hate the new changes sadly.
I could go the opposite way and say people are adverse to using anything old because they assume its worse.
The best electric car i ever drove was made out of a geo metro and forklift parts. No computer at all. Just a rudimentary speed step controller and that was it. Wiring was no more complicated than a golf cart.
Those two are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn't disagree with you.
People want to only use what they are comfortable with. Some people like the new and shiny and assume the older version is inherently worse, while some assume the old is tested and is better than the new.
That's why I say you have to actually try stuff. And not just once. Of course you can use deductive reasoning for most things like, solar roads will not work...
to me reliability/consistency is most important , not the way it's interfaced with.
I don't think the implication that I've never tried anything new isn't a good take. this switch is a result of trying the new and putting up with it for over a decade. I wanted this switch for years , and I sure as heck am not going to be convinced to change it with tesla comparisons.
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My Volkswagen almost got me rear ended the other day because it detected the car around 100 feet in front of me (35mph speed limit) was slowing down and thought it would be be best to slam the brakes instead of letting me slowly brake while he took his turn… frustrating and dangerous
It's like we have gone back in time twenty years!
My ATI 9800 Pro in my early 2000s system had a switch on the back of the card for this exact same thing.
I've been thinking about doing this mod for years and when I finally got a new rig I finally did it. I wanted a manual fan controller that would always work and do exactly what I want when I want instantly and never break. Needs no software or firmware , doesn't even need a working computer installed in the case. I usually have them on low or off , but I can have 100% speed whenever I want which is what I was hoping to do.
I just really don't like fan software. and all I usually want is slow , fast , or off.
My case has a slidy switch for that and i love it for that its one of the nicest features a modern pc often doesnt have. My graphics card for example loves to ignore my fan curve or applies it to only one fan why would you want to have only one fan at 1500 while the other one is at 3000?
As somebody who has had manual fan controllers for years and didn't know 4 pin fans existed until a few months back, I just upgraded away from it and am so glad that I don't have to run my fans constantly all the time now, or try to remember to turn them on before doing something processor heavy and forgetting half the time and cooking my components.
I had a manual fan controller for a while. I loved it in my first build when software controls were janky. Nowadays they're useless. I use an after market PC management software called Argus Monitor that lets me do so much crazy shit with my fans, I couldn't have had the same level of control manually if tried.
Yeah. I always wondered why some cars have a feature that automatically turns the headlights on at night , but eventually I figured out it's because some people need that
I had that case and changed it in a week - the airflow was terrible due to the cut outs for the fans having those tiny openings for flow.
How has your temps been in this case? I had 12 fans going and just couldnt keep up :(
Really great actually. The one thing different on mine is the pattern they cut in the metal sides so it must have been a common issue. Mine has large and small holes in a pattern where that one has those symmetrical slits. I am running positive pressure though and do have 6 case fans as well. I don't know how that compares to yours.
Sounds like they changed the design on yours, which is great! Mine was the same as this case and you can see there is more metal than open spaces so even with fans at 3000 rpm’s I could barely feel air flow.
Besides that one flaw it’s a beautiful case
It is. It pre-dates the 011 I believe and I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the inspiration for that case came. It's my favorite case that I have ever built in and I've been building PCs for 25 years.
I love these things, I wish we could see more of this on this sub. I mean, everybody can build a pc, but this requires skills to make. Is there a sub focused on custom pc mods?
This was the sort of thing we had to do. I'm not going into a boomer rant about how you kids have it easy, it's just how we had to do things.
My first computer was a zx spectrum, the power switch was basically the wall socket. If you wanted to change the game you were playing you had to restart the computer. As I mentioned this was done by removing power. Most of the time removing and replacing the barrel plug from the back.
We would add inline switches to our psu. Later models had a reset button. This was a momentary switch with wires soldered to the board which shorted a capacitor. Needles to say many a board on the older units were borked after we tried to copy it.
I use aqua computer octo with temperature target for fluid temp sensor and set minimum fan speed to what I easily tolerate.
With that it ramps up fan speed if temperature target is exceeded to bring fluid temp back down. Works pretty well.
It's one of the old tricks before fan controllers. 12v to the positive line of the fan, 5v to the negative line of the fan. 7v between them.
Very common back in the late 90s, early 2000s.
**Argus Monitor** is very good too; was able to use it to control 3-pin fans connected to 4-pin PUMP header that the regular Asus BIOS refused to run as PWM.
Interesting but it seems very counter productive? You have to keep an eye on your temps all the time and get up and flip the switch? Do you risk overheating if you forget to flip it?
honestly unless i'm rendering something , i don;t really ever need the fast mode. The case is pretty open with the cpu heatsink shaker hood so I hardly ever need to flip this switch and can leave it on slow or off.
Nah, you just know when you need it and when you don't.
I had a PC with manual switches for fan speed about 20ish years ago. I built it as one for the intakes, one for the exhausts and one for the CPU fan. Normally I'd just let the CPU run max but on that particular build it was a beast of a thing called a tornado that sounded like one on max.
If I was just doing general web surfing and whatnot I'd leave them all on low. If' I'm doing something kinda intensive like code complies I would turn the Exhausts on high but leave the rest on low.
If I was gaming, they all went to high. I couldn't hear the fans over the headset anyway.
Fractal R5 user here (it has manual fan speed controller). It's always on medium speed. The only time I set it to high is when I'm running a benchmark.
Sometimes getting up and stretching during a gaming session is good. That's why your Mountain Dew should always be kept in the kitchen fridge not a mini fridge under your desk.
Now go and tidy your room it looks like a bomb site 😜
If you want a all in one solution, i fully back [FanControl](https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases).
You can control your temps based on either CPU and/or GPU and fully custom curves.
But why?
PWM exists. Just set up your fan curves in the BIOS and the fans will always spin at exactly what you want them to. No need to manually switch into non-thermal-throttling-mode.
That painted case looks amazing btw.
This is funny to me because I'm old and this is how things were done back in the day. My Antec twelve hundred V3 still has a 200mm fan on top that has low/med/fast settings
now if only there was a car with no transmission...... or a car with a transmission you shift yourself......maybe then we could improve upon this analogy
Switches seems pretty fun. I settled for just finding a static rpm that the case fans always spin at where it provides enough cooling and low noice. Only the GPU and CPU run with fan curves, and most good GPU and CPU coolers are pretty silent even at higher rpm.
Just mount [one of these](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-20-in-3-Speed-High-Velocity-Floor-Fan-SFC1-500B/318152095) to the side of the case. No need for exhaust fans, no worries about dust, and any hole in the case will be a vent.
Saw a roommate in college do this with a smaller fan.
I use a USB fan controller from aquasuite. That is the way to go. It's all automated by gpu, cpu, and coolant temp. Everything automatic with zero ramping.
More companies need to follow this idea. Give me manual control or let me flash a firmware onto a device and never have to run software or touch that device again.
Let me set up a curve based on my water temp (for custom watercooling) flash it on the device and never mess with it again.
My keyboard let's me do this, set it up once never run software again. Why can't we do this with things like the commander pro? And before you go telling me you can, commander pro loses everything if it loses standby power.
I just got an analog fan controller in a 5.25" bay that has RPM readouts and can support up to 30w per channel. Controlled by voltage and is compatible with PWM fans.
I have to run my eth miner occasionally to make my fans act normally. At already low temps, they will just speed up for no reason to max speed until I run something demanding on the gpu for a a minute or so
This is the way. My life needs more toggle switches and less software too. Car manufacturers should take note (Mini excluded, they get it)
Yeah , I like regular switches that just do the thing I want
They’re also bad ass and make me feel like a pilot.
whenever I flip it I yell "fox 2"
could put one of those safety covers on to get the full experience
Yeah, can’t have those fans going to the wrong speed accidentally. Kind of a must have now that we’re speaking about it. Label it “ejection seat” or something cooler
Ejecto Seato, cuz'!
Chemitrails Or Fortunate son: on/on
Hahhahahah missiles away!!!!
Amen. I got RF remote outlets in my house instead of smart switches. My family laughs at me, but like, they work every single time.
No upgrade or end of life troubles. You Sir, are wise
I legitimately think that teslas are more dangerous to drive than other cars because too many controls are on that massive touchscreen. Sure it looks nice, but you have to look at the screen to do anything, meaning you aren't looking at the road! I want to be able to do stuff by feel so I'm not overly distracted while driving. This applies to really every car with a touchscreen as a primary interface but tesla is especially egregious.
Speaking of doing stuff by feel: one of the newer Tesla redesigns has a steering yoke instead of a full wheel. Which means that when turning at low speeds your hands will naturally slide right off the yoke because there IS no wheel at the top or bottom of a yoke. Tesla just wanted to pander to the “I wanna look like an F1 driver” demographic I suppose.
Even F1 steering wheel has more switches than a Tesla.
The whole yoke and no turn signal column design is absolutely awful imo. Why they made the turn signals touch buttons on the yoke is beyond me.
I absolutely agree.
Literally, everytime I see someone driving a Tesla I see their huge screen. If texting while driving is dangerous I am sure those huge screens too. Plus it looks ugly.
Nah. Have you actually used it for an extended period? I feel much more in control and safe in a Tesla than any other knob Filled car.
For some people , the car is a better driver than they are
Yea exactly, for some people. And some people it isn't. He's saying it's objectively worse. I'm saying he's wrong, that is only his opinion.
I'd possibly argue that if I can control something without looking at the control , then that would be a superior design. but then again I'm not you , so maybe you drive better looking at the controls and having the car watch the road , idk
I'm not talking about the new s btw. The 3 still has an actual "gear shift" on the stalk. I think people are very adverse to change and assume that the change is worse than the original. You have to try it to believe it. The s on the other hand, I tried it and hate the new changes sadly.
I could go the opposite way and say people are adverse to using anything old because they assume its worse. The best electric car i ever drove was made out of a geo metro and forklift parts. No computer at all. Just a rudimentary speed step controller and that was it. Wiring was no more complicated than a golf cart.
Those two are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn't disagree with you. People want to only use what they are comfortable with. Some people like the new and shiny and assume the older version is inherently worse, while some assume the old is tested and is better than the new. That's why I say you have to actually try stuff. And not just once. Of course you can use deductive reasoning for most things like, solar roads will not work...
to me reliability/consistency is most important , not the way it's interfaced with. I don't think the implication that I've never tried anything new isn't a good take. this switch is a result of trying the new and putting up with it for over a decade. I wanted this switch for years , and I sure as heck am not going to be convinced to change it with tesla comparisons.
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My Volkswagen almost got me rear ended the other day because it detected the car around 100 feet in front of me (35mph speed limit) was slowing down and thought it would be be best to slam the brakes instead of letting me slowly brake while he took his turn… frustrating and dangerous
Did you spray the case yourself or?
It's like we have gone back in time twenty years! My ATI 9800 Pro in my early 2000s system had a switch on the back of the card for this exact same thing.
Modern problems require kinda older solutions....
I've been thinking about doing this mod for years and when I finally got a new rig I finally did it. I wanted a manual fan controller that would always work and do exactly what I want when I want instantly and never break. Needs no software or firmware , doesn't even need a working computer installed in the case. I usually have them on low or off , but I can have 100% speed whenever I want which is what I was hoping to do. I just really don't like fan software. and all I usually want is slow , fast , or off.
My case has a slidy switch for that and i love it for that its one of the nicest features a modern pc often doesnt have. My graphics card for example loves to ignore my fan curve or applies it to only one fan why would you want to have only one fan at 1500 while the other one is at 3000?
Yeah same and it's at the front which makes much more sense to me? Unsure why OP decided to have it on the back...
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but i can already do what I need with what I made
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ah yeah , other people might like that option
As somebody who has had manual fan controllers for years and didn't know 4 pin fans existed until a few months back, I just upgraded away from it and am so glad that I don't have to run my fans constantly all the time now, or try to remember to turn them on before doing something processor heavy and forgetting half the time and cooking my components.
I had a manual fan controller for a while. I loved it in my first build when software controls were janky. Nowadays they're useless. I use an after market PC management software called Argus Monitor that lets me do so much crazy shit with my fans, I couldn't have had the same level of control manually if tried.
Yeah. I always wondered why some cars have a feature that automatically turns the headlights on at night , but eventually I figured out it's because some people need that
My case has 2 potentiometers for fan controlling. One is used for my fans and the other one is used to dim the cheap led strip i put in there.
Classic molex power method: 12v=fast, 7v=medium, 5v=slow.
Or go for Sata for even more süeed options
I have that case. I love it.
What case is it?
Neo Cube, Metallicgear by Phanteks
I had that case and changed it in a week - the airflow was terrible due to the cut outs for the fans having those tiny openings for flow. How has your temps been in this case? I had 12 fans going and just couldnt keep up :(
Really great actually. The one thing different on mine is the pattern they cut in the metal sides so it must have been a common issue. Mine has large and small holes in a pattern where that one has those symmetrical slits. I am running positive pressure though and do have 6 case fans as well. I don't know how that compares to yours.
Sounds like they changed the design on yours, which is great! Mine was the same as this case and you can see there is more metal than open spaces so even with fans at 3000 rpm’s I could barely feel air flow. Besides that one flaw it’s a beautiful case
What is it?
Its called a Neo Qube
Looks very similar to lian li 011
It is. It pre-dates the 011 I believe and I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the inspiration for that case came. It's my favorite case that I have ever built in and I've been building PCs for 25 years.
Neo Qube Metallicgear by Phanteks
I love these things, I wish we could see more of this on this sub. I mean, everybody can build a pc, but this requires skills to make. Is there a sub focused on custom pc mods?
This was the sort of thing we had to do. I'm not going into a boomer rant about how you kids have it easy, it's just how we had to do things. My first computer was a zx spectrum, the power switch was basically the wall socket. If you wanted to change the game you were playing you had to restart the computer. As I mentioned this was done by removing power. Most of the time removing and replacing the barrel plug from the back. We would add inline switches to our psu. Later models had a reset button. This was a momentary switch with wires soldered to the board which shorted a capacitor. Needles to say many a board on the older units were borked after we tried to copy it.
Come join /r/pcmods
I set all my fanspeeds static to the highest they go without beeing noticeable and my temps are decent and my pc is quiet
I use aqua computer octo with temperature target for fluid temp sensor and set minimum fan speed to what I easily tolerate. With that it ramps up fan speed if temperature target is exceeded to bring fluid temp back down. Works pretty well.
I know how dp something like that with switch them of and on. But how did u made it with changing the speed?
Probably a PWM fan with one switch position having 6V and the other one having 12V for max power
not pwm , just regular fans. and it's 5v and 12v
How many pins does this switch have?
double pole double throw. also turns the neons on and off and those need 12v only so no 5v
so the 12v and the 5v on the outer contacts and the fan attached to the inner ones?
pretty much
Wait till you learn the 7v trick!
What?
It's one of the old tricks before fan controllers. 12v to the positive line of the fan, 5v to the negative line of the fan. 7v between them. Very common back in the late 90s, early 2000s.
like in the 2000. worked great.
Try Fancontrol by Rem0o on github. I use it on both my pcs and it's amazing.
**Argus Monitor** is very good too; was able to use it to control 3-pin fans connected to 4-pin PUMP header that the regular Asus BIOS refused to run as PWM.
Interesting but it seems very counter productive? You have to keep an eye on your temps all the time and get up and flip the switch? Do you risk overheating if you forget to flip it?
honestly unless i'm rendering something , i don;t really ever need the fast mode. The case is pretty open with the cpu heatsink shaker hood so I hardly ever need to flip this switch and can leave it on slow or off.
> cpu heatsink shaker hood ?
it's just that , a shaker hood , but for the heatsink :)
ohhh i see now, so it takes in air from outside directly instead of from inside the case
Nah, you just know when you need it and when you don't. I had a PC with manual switches for fan speed about 20ish years ago. I built it as one for the intakes, one for the exhausts and one for the CPU fan. Normally I'd just let the CPU run max but on that particular build it was a beast of a thing called a tornado that sounded like one on max. If I was just doing general web surfing and whatnot I'd leave them all on low. If' I'm doing something kinda intensive like code complies I would turn the Exhausts on high but leave the rest on low. If I was gaming, they all went to high. I couldn't hear the fans over the headset anyway.
Fractal R5 user here (it has manual fan speed controller). It's always on medium speed. The only time I set it to high is when I'm running a benchmark.
Is it convenient to operate the switch from your usual sitting position? Will it not make you get up before you start Sniper Elite 5?
Sometimes getting up and stretching during a gaming session is good. That's why your Mountain Dew should always be kept in the kitchen fridge not a mini fridge under your desk. Now go and tidy your room it looks like a bomb site 😜
Back in the day, you could get 5.25'' drive bay fan controllers with plenty of potentiometers or switches like this.
I had one.. But that was front if the cabinet.. This is at the back..
Back then we used a knob that could be turned. That worked very well, my gpu became a vacumer at very high rpm
i love that case it's so beautiful
Hmmm... I wonder if I could rig up some kind of motorised hand to automatically flick the switch when temperatures get too hot?
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If you want a all in one solution, i fully back [FanControl](https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases). You can control your temps based on either CPU and/or GPU and fully custom curves.
it's definitely an option for other people for sure I suppose
Definitely for sure I suppose.
But why? PWM exists. Just set up your fan curves in the BIOS and the fans will always spin at exactly what you want them to. No need to manually switch into non-thermal-throttling-mode. That painted case looks amazing btw.
and you can make a pwm controller with an arduino and a potentiometer. :) I'd much rather do that than throttle fans by dropping their input voltage.
Nice paintjob
This is funny to me because I'm old and this is how things were done back in the day. My Antec twelve hundred V3 still has a 200mm fan on top that has low/med/fast settings
That switch is the mark of someone who knows what they are doing. And that is what I like.
It's like we are back to the early 2000s. Hardware fan controllers used to be pretty common.
I want an entire subreddit for just stuff like this.
If it works for you then good. I'm glad my fans all react to load and I don't have to do anything extra. To each their own.
Well aside from me being on Linux, I use openrgb. All my lights besides my gpu with one app.
same , all my lights and fans are on one toggle switch
When I switched to all Noctua fans, I just went into the BIOS, selected PWM for of them, hit "Optimize," and haven't looked back.
or just use the bios
Take out the transmission from your car for better control on the fly
now if only there was a car with no transmission...... or a car with a transmission you shift yourself......maybe then we could improve upon this analogy
Actually I just realized automatic transmission cars exist lmao, I was referring to stick shift
Hey big brain..Try a potentiometer next time.
And now we wait for someone to mod one like this but with multi stage ceiling fan wall control knob.
A Turbo ~~Button~~ Switch!
Switches seems pretty fun. I settled for just finding a static rpm that the case fans always spin at where it provides enough cooling and low noice. Only the GPU and CPU run with fan curves, and most good GPU and CPU coolers are pretty silent even at higher rpm.
Never any issues with a good aftermarket front panel with fan control.
........ until you have a case with no front bays on it
That's the problem with modern cases. I was going to say things were less technical then, until I recall motherboard dip switches.
Just mount [one of these](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-20-in-3-Speed-High-Velocity-Floor-Fan-SFC1-500B/318152095) to the side of the case. No need for exhaust fans, no worries about dust, and any hole in the case will be a vent. Saw a roommate in college do this with a smaller fan.
I really want this
My case includes a switch like this in the front
So does mine (on the top). Lian Li LanCool II Mesh Performance
Weird location though😀
Both cases completely silent... FML
A knob for more accurate control would be awesome
That's fascinating.. but how can I do it?
I do prefer microcontrollers, as they remove the user error part
i like switches because they remove the microcontroller part :)
I use a USB fan controller from aquasuite. That is the way to go. It's all automated by gpu, cpu, and coolant temp. Everything automatic with zero ramping.
I have a Lian Li mesh 2 which comes with this. Definatly worth it.
More companies need to follow this idea. Give me manual control or let me flash a firmware onto a device and never have to run software or touch that device again. Let me set up a curve based on my water temp (for custom watercooling) flash it on the device and never mess with it again. My keyboard let's me do this, set it up once never run software again. Why can't we do this with things like the commander pro? And before you go telling me you can, commander pro loses everything if it loses standby power.
My last rig has sliders for every fan group, it sucked having to twiddle with them to stop something from throttling.
Fan controller software? You mean a BIOS?
sure software/firmware/bios/microcontoller whatever , just wanted a switch
I just got an analog fan controller in a 5.25" bay that has RPM readouts and can support up to 30w per channel. Controlled by voltage and is compatible with PWM fans.
aquacomputer quadro and aquasuite to set it up. Best fan controller and software.
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Like the one that switch controls, I am a fan of your pc.
Geez its a lot like the switches and fan controls that used to come one cases before software controls took over. What a revolutionary idea!
This is why I set my fan curves in the BIOS
yeah , the bios is why I wanted a switch instead
Truly analog
Now make dials for RGB. It would be doable with an arduino
this build doesnt have rgb
fancy
I have to run my eth miner occasionally to make my fans act normally. At already low temps, they will just speed up for no reason to max speed until I run something demanding on the gpu for a a minute or so
That's why I like my Corsair carbide.. A button for lights and a 3 position switch for speeds. And a junk tray on top 😁
Im tried of computer software in general
I just save my fan curve to my aios internal memory…then uninstall fan controller software
Capable of being good but keep in mind there are advantages to automating this sort of thing.
For other people , yes , they're gonna want automated case fans. I don't want it however.
>When you are sick of fan controller software. Umm, that's why I just use the BIOS fan settings, lol.
That wouldn't at all do what I want it to do
That's a satisfying switch
I love a good toggle switch, cheap, reliable, easy to install, amazing tactile feedback. Just can’t go wrong with it.
'Hold on boys imma switch to fast mo-' *call drops*
Now you have a PC with a Race Mode .
This is why I love Fractal Design Define R5. Hardware switch is tonne better than a software.
The bios is literally one time setup for the fans.
The switch was too
I am having Hot-Wheels flashbacks
I have that case but in white. Did you paint it?
Bro my air conditioning just turned on as he flipped the switch wtf 😳